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My question now is, in trying to expand and rewrite this article with the appropriate citations I've found myself nearly solely citing this singular biography, partially out of convenience but primarily out of necessity. I need to ask, is this poor practice? I looked on the article for how to write my first article, and it mentioned that the purpose of Wikipedia is to summarize other quality and reputable articles. I just want to make sure that primarily using this one biography, only sometimes supplemented by others, instead of relying on a variety of sources, won't be frowned upon. [[User:Jazzertyy|Jazzertyy]] ([[User talk:Jazzertyy|talk]]) 12:44, 6 October 2022 (UTC) |
My question now is, in trying to expand and rewrite this article with the appropriate citations I've found myself nearly solely citing this singular biography, partially out of convenience but primarily out of necessity. I need to ask, is this poor practice? I looked on the article for how to write my first article, and it mentioned that the purpose of Wikipedia is to summarize other quality and reputable articles. I just want to make sure that primarily using this one biography, only sometimes supplemented by others, instead of relying on a variety of sources, won't be frowned upon. [[User:Jazzertyy|Jazzertyy]] ([[User talk:Jazzertyy|talk]]) 12:44, 6 October 2022 (UTC) |
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Why not recommend WP:TWA?
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I don't know if it is popularised enough but for what I have seen in the Teahouse is that when a new editor comes in for 'list of Wikpedia guidelines', he/she is introduced to 5 to 7 long and boring WP: articles just to end up asking again in the Teahouse. Why not redirect to WP:TWA? (I know that's not the attitude you would want from a Wikipedian but come on, I haven't read any of those fully). Excellenc1 (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- I often see hosts suggest new users try WP:ADVENTURE for new users who want to learn how to edit. RudolfRed (talk) 18:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Note: Moved from the Teahouse page; this talk page is a better venue. CC Excellenc1. Bsoyka (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Excellenc1 Quite a few of us do actually recommend WP:TWA, though, as more and more people use mobiles to edit on, it becomes less useful, as it's not designed for mobile operation. It's also a bit clunky, only uses WP:Source Editor, and some users do struggle to get it to work all the way through. I do like it when I see evidence that new users have tried to work through it, as it shows commitment to learn. I see you gave it a try last week; how did you find it, and did you manage to collect all 15 badges along the way? Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:53, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Nick Moyes 15? I got 6 maybe. At some parts, where the mission ends in a dead end (it says edit and nothing else), I just click back and go to the next mission. For where I could click 'continue', I got the badges. Overall, I got the test parts right. Excellenc1 (talk) 10:28, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Excellenc1 Yes, there are 15 badges. (see here). I did it again recently with my alt-account and managed 12 badges (see here). I fear that TWA has become somewhat outdated and not as effective as it once was. I also think it would be a good thing for WMF developers to work on to improve. At the back of my mind, I'm sure someone here over the last year or two suggested/offered making some small changes to the wording, as those bits are user-editable, I think, though not the programme itself. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum: This thread called Drop the Adventure shows some of the past history of TWA's deployment and use. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- I would also like to add that I did contact the original developer of TWA and they told me that they don't have time to work on it anymore, so it's most likely up to the community at this point to maintain it and fix it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:22, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- TWA has some cool elements—the graphics in particular are nice—but community control is not an optional feature for Wikipedia. TWA lacked it, and as a result it's either outdated or broken in several key areas. I'd prefer to instead see some of the better features of TWA imported to the Help:Introduction series. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- I also like to see multiple options available - some newcomers like interactive elements like TWA, some like text-based tutorials/help pages, some like real-person support (like the Teahouse), and some like a mixture. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 03:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Just a note to say that I wouldn't recommend TWA right now, because there have been some bug reports. I think it's in the "works in some web browsers but not others" state at the moment, and (non-WMF) people are trying to fix it.
- (@Sdkb, TWA was written by a volunteer. Why do you think that it's not controlled by the community?) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- (It might be wrong, but my understanding of the history is that it was a combo. Many of the graphical elements had WMF help, and I don't think its approach to sandboxes is something we can replicate on our own without help.) {{u|Sdkb}} talk 01:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- According to m:Grants:IEG/The Wikipedia Adventure, the volunteers got some grant funding after they started. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Any knowledge on what browsers it works on? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- The problem was reported at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 198#Fix Wikipedia Adventure by adding buttons to progress in "click on edit button" steps. Firefox seems to not be happy, but there might be other factors as well. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:18, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- (It might be wrong, but my understanding of the history is that it was a combo. Many of the graphical elements had WMF help, and I don't think its approach to sandboxes is something we can replicate on our own without help.) {{u|Sdkb}} talk 01:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- I also like to see multiple options available - some newcomers like interactive elements like TWA, some like text-based tutorials/help pages, some like real-person support (like the Teahouse), and some like a mixture. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 03:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- TWA has some cool elements—the graphics in particular are nice—but community control is not an optional feature for Wikipedia. TWA lacked it, and as a result it's either outdated or broken in several key areas. I'd prefer to instead see some of the better features of TWA imported to the Help:Introduction series. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- I would also like to add that I did contact the original developer of TWA and they told me that they don't have time to work on it anymore, so it's most likely up to the community at this point to maintain it and fix it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:22, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum: This thread called Drop the Adventure shows some of the past history of TWA's deployment and use. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Decision tree at WP:TRIAGE
I've had an idea for a Wikipedia decision tree to help newcomers with the most common questions and answers. I started putting it down in text form at WP:TRIAGE. Eventually it would be great to turn into a flowchart, like Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol#/media/File:NPP_flowchart.svg. I'd welcome any feedback. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:46, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- An interesting idea, Tim. It might be a bit complex or overwhelming for a newcomer to navigate by themselves, but as the bones of a flow-chart, it could be good to help Teahouse hosts and everyone else to distil down the pathways of choices and advice we should be giving. I was unclear where exactly you wanted comments and suggestions posted, or if you wanted us to edit WP:TRIAGE directly? I thought it best not to do that, so I'll just comment that WP:VPT seems a better link for technical advice than WP:VP, though I doubt newcomers here would really need to know about that at this early stage of their editing career. But it's a good link to be aware of in that flow of answering questions. Another route to include could be "Are you concerned about an article's notability Y/N?". I'd change WP:TWA to Help:Introduction. I think TWA is so clunky and doesn't work on mobiles (now around 45% of our editors, if I correctly remember seeing this figure mentioned somewhere), and is so out of date that it shouldn't be part of the flow at all now. Oh, and don't forget Newcomer tasks and the Homepage Tab, too. Hope this is a good starter for you to develop this further. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Tim, you might be interested in a similar suggestion now in the archive at WT:Teahouse/Archive_23#Soliciting host feedback on draft help page. Levivich's idea was prototyped by him and still exists at User:Levivich/Help. At the time, I thought it would be useful but I'm not aware of it being widely used. It illustrates one way to implement a flowchart. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Nick and Michael! I just took the Wikipedia Adventure and agree that it's a bit outdated, and it actually wouldn't let me continue past a certain point on my desktop, so I had to quit out. Hopefully someone will take an interest in going through to update it and user test it to improve the experience. I'll see how I can integrate Help:Introduction. And I liked the interactive nature of Levivich's help system - could be an offshoot in addition to having an actual flowchart. And I just added Help:Introduction to navigating Wikipedia/1 as an option. I'll also have to figure out how to name a range so I don't need to change the numbers in the flow chart each time I add a new step. And linking to WP:VPT is a better choice than linking to WP:VP. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- (responding to ping) Just wanted to mention that {{help button}} is designed to be easily forked so that it can be used for other types of decision-trees/flowcharts. An example of an existing fork is {{DYK help}}. For convenience, one can see the results by clicking on these buttons: . If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ping me or ask at my talk page. Levivich 21:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that update, Timtempleton, and for taking suggestions onboard. I wonder if you've thought further about my comment as to who it is best aimed at. Are you still wanting to make something quite complex-looking that a newcomer can try to follow, or is it better to focus on a workflow that new hosts can follow in their welcoming and question-answering processes? I don't think they're mutually exclusive, but it really helps to understand one's Aims and Objectives to start with. I'm still of the view that creating a host/helper's workflow could be the best start. Then, having bottomed that, you could distill it back down to a simpler form for a newcomer to follow for themselves. (But then I did always like to overcomplicate things!) Nick Moyes (talk) 22:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm learning more and more thanks to you guys. @Levivich: I just added Wikipedia:Contact us as an additional WP:TRIAGE choice that visitors to Wikipedia might make. @Nick Moyes: This is meant to help visitors understand how to use and improve Wikipedia. There are lots of moving parts, but I haven't seen them synthesized in an easy to follow format. I don't know the best way to share this flowchart with newcomers, but once it's ready for prime time, we could include WP:TRIAGE in a standard welcome message to user pages. It could also certainly do double duty by helping up and coming help desk and teahouse volunteers understand how to help new users. You may have noticed I removed WP:TWA. Newcomers to the help desk or teahouse are constantly being directed there, although I don't think they should be after just going through the exercise myself. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I programmed it User:Timtempleton/TRIAGE1 TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 06:28, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I like it OK, although I must nitpick about the wording in "Contact Wikipedia". As a WP:VRT volunteer, we get hundreds of emails from people who think that they are addressing someone with an official capacity at the Wikimedia Foundation, not other editors who are volunteering to answer the mails. I wish it could be rephrased as something like "Contact a Wikipedia volunteer for help". It would certainly be more honest than what the current wording implies. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:33, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I programmed it User:Timtempleton/TRIAGE1 TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 06:28, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm learning more and more thanks to you guys. @Levivich: I just added Wikipedia:Contact us as an additional WP:TRIAGE choice that visitors to Wikipedia might make. @Nick Moyes: This is meant to help visitors understand how to use and improve Wikipedia. There are lots of moving parts, but I haven't seen them synthesized in an easy to follow format. I don't know the best way to share this flowchart with newcomers, but once it's ready for prime time, we could include WP:TRIAGE in a standard welcome message to user pages. It could also certainly do double duty by helping up and coming help desk and teahouse volunteers understand how to help new users. You may have noticed I removed WP:TWA. Newcomers to the help desk or teahouse are constantly being directed there, although I don't think they should be after just going through the exercise myself. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Nick and Michael! I just took the Wikipedia Adventure and agree that it's a bit outdated, and it actually wouldn't let me continue past a certain point on my desktop, so I had to quit out. Hopefully someone will take an interest in going through to update it and user test it to improve the experience. I'll see how I can integrate Help:Introduction. And I liked the interactive nature of Levivich's help system - could be an offshoot in addition to having an actual flowchart. And I just added Help:Introduction to navigating Wikipedia/1 as an option. I'll also have to figure out how to name a range so I don't need to change the numbers in the flow chart each time I add a new step. And linking to WP:VPT is a better choice than linking to WP:VP. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Tim, you might be interested in a similar suggestion now in the archive at WT:Teahouse/Archive_23#Soliciting host feedback on draft help page. Levivich's idea was prototyped by him and still exists at User:Levivich/Help. At the time, I thought it would be useful but I'm not aware of it being widely used. It illustrates one way to implement a flowchart. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
This could have some interest for Teahousers. Now archived HERE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Teahouse host userbox
Hello, I just want to present two userboxes for the hosts at the Teahouse. One made by JJPMaster and me.
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{{User wikipedia/Teahouse host}}
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{{User wikipedia/Teahouse host alt}}
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Judekkan (talk) 22:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not a host, but those look great. Thank you @Judekkan! weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 23:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- We already have a userbox for Teahouse hosts (Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host/Userbox) but I'll see if I can add these to the list too. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 02:48, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Proposed change to Template:Welcome-t
I've proposed changes to a Teahouse welcome template at its talk page. Others' input is welcome. Perfect4th (talk) 22:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Error
I tried to install it manually but it didn't work. [1] DIVINE 12:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @DIVINE: Which scripts did you try to install? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Teahouse User Utility
- Teahouse Talkback Links
- WikiLove Badge Edition
- WikiLove Badge Edition DIVINE 13:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @DIVINE: After installing, did you bypass your cache? GoingBatty (talk) 00:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Started an essay about (not) using limited scope/distribution sources
See User:Dodger67/Essays/Big fish and feel free to expand it or give your opinion about the topic. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:11, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Declined new article submissions
Seems to me like there are more and more discussions here lately from users who are asking about declined article submissions. While WP:BITE definitely applies, as many of these users are new or newish, it seems to me that the Tea house is not really the right venue to go into declined submissions in a lot of detail (of the type, "How do I fix my Draft so I can submit it?") It's a balancing act, especially since we want to be helpful to newer editors, but as much as possible, I think we should gently refer them to the reviews on the Draft itself, and let them work it out via the normal submission process. There's quite a backlog at present, and to some extent it may be impatience, WP:FORUMSHOPPING, or just an earnest request. Not sure what others think about this. Mathglot (talk) 07:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mathglot, I certainly do not think that Teahouse hosts should be expected to offer detailed advice about every draft that comes along. However, if I find a draft interesting or illustrative for good or bad reasons, I will often offer detailed comments and source analysis and certainly do not want to be discouraged from doing so. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328: Thanks. You're not worried about "jumping the line" issues? I see comments all the time at drafts waiting for action about "being patient" because of the large backlog. It just seems somewhat like punishing those who are following the rules. But I see your point about not discouraging certain kinds of content at TH, and in particular, the "be kind to newbies" is the strongest reason, imho, to go ahead and answer. Mathglot (talk) 07:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mathglot, there is no line or queue, and AFC is entirely optional for most editors. Reviewers work in no particular order and tend to select drafts about topics that interest them or are obviously promising or obviously inappropriate. Our goal should always be to improve the encyclopedia, and if someone cones to the Teahouse with an excellent draft, I will accept it and maybe improve it myself instead of saying "wait for weeks or months". Cullen328 (talk) 16:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds good; thanks for the clarification. Mathglot (talk) 18:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mathglot, there is no line or queue, and AFC is entirely optional for most editors. Reviewers work in no particular order and tend to select drafts about topics that interest them or are obviously promising or obviously inappropriate. Our goal should always be to improve the encyclopedia, and if someone cones to the Teahouse with an excellent draft, I will accept it and maybe improve it myself instead of saying "wait for weeks or months". Cullen328 (talk) 16:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328: Thanks. You're not worried about "jumping the line" issues? I see comments all the time at drafts waiting for action about "being patient" because of the large backlog. It just seems somewhat like punishing those who are following the rules. But I see your point about not discouraging certain kinds of content at TH, and in particular, the "be kind to newbies" is the strongest reason, imho, to go ahead and answer. Mathglot (talk) 07:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Isn't there an AFC help desk? It might be better to point users with drafts there before here with decline talk messages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Again, Tenryuu, AFC is entirely optional for almost all editors, and many experienced editors consider the whole AFC process deeply flawed. So why should Teahouse hosts direct Teahouse visitors to that morass, instead of offering a frank analysis of a draft if they freely choose to do so? Our job is to move acceptable encyclopedic content into the encyclopedia, not to further clog the already clogged AFC process. Cullen328 (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328: Never once did I say anything to the contrary on the optionality of the AFC process. What I'm talking about are the messages that users get on their talk pages when their drafts (which would mean that they've elected to go the AFC route) are declined, which suggests asking at the Teahouse, which I presume would have far fewer AFC regulars than the AFC help desk. I am suggesting that the target venue mentioned from the Teahouse to that specialised help desk. This seems to be built in to the AFCH script. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:04, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu, you're right. I'd support this idea. @Primefac would definitely have better ideas on this! ─ The Aafī (talk) 06:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TheAafi: Much appreciated. I feel somewhat bad for these newcomers when they come and ask questions to Teahouse regulars who are probably able to help them less than actual reviewers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:28, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- For the record, {{AfC decline}} (which is placed on the user's talk page for declined drafts) links to the AFC Help Desk and IRC, not the Teahouse. AFCH does give the option to "invite the user to the Teahouse" as well, so that is likely where they are getting their Teahouse link. Primefac (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- @Primefac: I see what you mean looking at a sample decline message on a user's talk page. It seems a more likely suspect is {{Wikipedia:Teahouse/AfC Invitation}} (
Note: its talk page redirects here), which prominently displays the link to the Teahouse. Hmm, perhaps a new discussion should be started on its usefulness then... —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Could be that we just need to make the other in bold as well? I know no one actually reads banners, but it does state that if you have something other to ask besides the draft issues to go to the Teahouse. Primefac (talk) 11:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- It probably doesn't help that there's a Teahouse image on the left-hand side, which might cause users to assume that that is the general place to go ask for help with drafts. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Could be that we just need to make the other in bold as well? I know no one actually reads banners, but it does state that if you have something other to ask besides the draft issues to go to the Teahouse. Primefac (talk) 11:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Primefac: I see what you mean looking at a sample decline message on a user's talk page. It seems a more likely suspect is {{Wikipedia:Teahouse/AfC Invitation}} (
- For the record, {{AfC decline}} (which is placed on the user's talk page for declined drafts) links to the AFC Help Desk and IRC, not the Teahouse. AFCH does give the option to "invite the user to the Teahouse" as well, so that is likely where they are getting their Teahouse link. Primefac (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
- @TheAafi: Much appreciated. I feel somewhat bad for these newcomers when they come and ask questions to Teahouse regulars who are probably able to help them less than actual reviewers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:28, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu, you're right. I'd support this idea. @Primefac would definitely have better ideas on this! ─ The Aafī (talk) 06:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328: Never once did I say anything to the contrary on the optionality of the AFC process. What I'm talking about are the messages that users get on their talk pages when their drafts (which would mean that they've elected to go the AFC route) are declined, which suggests asking at the Teahouse, which I presume would have far fewer AFC regulars than the AFC help desk. I am suggesting that the target venue mentioned from the Teahouse to that specialised help desk. This seems to be built in to the AFCH script. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:04, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Again, Tenryuu, AFC is entirely optional for almost all editors, and many experienced editors consider the whole AFC process deeply flawed. So why should Teahouse hosts direct Teahouse visitors to that morass, instead of offering a frank analysis of a draft if they freely choose to do so? Our job is to move acceptable encyclopedic content into the encyclopedia, not to further clog the already clogged AFC process. Cullen328 (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- The thing is that "how do I fix my draft so it gets approved" is both a bad question to ask and answer. Mostly because it shows that we aren't doing a great job of telling people in the guides. And linking someone to a guide just feels like a cheap-out, so it really does just lead to a lot of hosts saying the same things over and over. Heck, Cullen's been doing it for years now! casualdejekyll 16:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah. Ideally, reviewers of drafts would offer more specific, more actionable feedback when declining drafts, and editors trying to get a draft accepted would put in the effort to follow reasonable/clear feedback rather than just coming to us out of a combo of forum shopping/hoping we'll work on improvements for them/etc. But neither of those two elements are in place. If we're going to have a dedicated AfC help desk, I think it makes sense for all related notices to direct folks there to help centralize things and get questions to the editors best equipped to answer them. The AfC desk could have a link to the Teahouse in its instructions at the top, but I don't think other notices need to link to us. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Feedback requested for Bot request proposal
Hello, Tea house volunteers, I've been thinking about how we could do better at keeping IPs informed, when they get responses to their questions here at the Tea house. Your feedback would be welcome at WP:BOTREQ#Bot to add a Talkback template at an IP talk page after they get responses at Help forums. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 04:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
What happens if someone tries to delete the Teahouse?
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Do_not_press_button.jpg)
I wanted to see what it would have looked like but that would be vandalism.
In the Teahouse archives, I saw a question where a response included saying that {{db-g7}} had to be replaced with something else so it would not appear that someone was trying to delete the Teahouse. The person asking the question had copied whatever was on the user talk page.
I assume the person who responded acted before anyone noticed the Teahouse was nominated for deletion. And if the action was noticed elsewhere it might take a while to find where it happened.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- It would require a Steward for actual deletion because there are too many revisions. Placing a tag on it does the same thing it would on any other page. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Also, importantly, I can't imagine that any current administrators would have actually tried to delete the Teahouse just because a new user had tagged it for deletion. Sam Walton (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think what I'm asking is what would happen that would cause such administrators to see this was being "proposed" before that person realized, "Wait! That's the Teahouse! Can't do that!"— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- {{db-g7}} is Author requests deletion. Even if an administrator didn't already know the Teahouse, it's hard to imagine any administrator would delete a large project space page with a g7 tag without checking that the tag was placed by the sole author of the page. Administrators are supposed to always check that. They might be sloppy with a user sandbox but the Teahouse? No way. I'm an administrator so I may be biased but I doubt there has ever been a g7 deletion of an important page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- ...although wasn't there was one admin who fairly recently got de-sysopped for a long-term history of very term sloppy CSD work, if I remember rightly? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- There may be a better place to ask this question, but how would that administrator know the g7 tag was there?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Vchimpanzee All pages currently containing any form of speedy deletion template (including ones added by their creators) can be found at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion Nick Moyes (talk) 22:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- There may be a better place to ask this question, but how would that administrator know the g7 tag was there?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- ...although wasn't there was one admin who fairly recently got de-sysopped for a long-term history of very term sloppy CSD work, if I remember rightly? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- {{db-g7}} is Author requests deletion. Even if an administrator didn't already know the Teahouse, it's hard to imagine any administrator would delete a large project space page with a g7 tag without checking that the tag was placed by the sole author of the page. Administrators are supposed to always check that. They might be sloppy with a user sandbox but the Teahouse? No way. I'm an administrator so I may be biased but I doubt there has ever been a g7 deletion of an important page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think what I'm asking is what would happen that would cause such administrators to see this was being "proposed" before that person realized, "Wait! That's the Teahouse! Can't do that!"— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't think it's that easy because if a article is nominated for deletion then you can always reject the decision. Editors should should always have good faith. If I'm correct, it isn't good faith to try to delete the Wikipedia Tea House page. Cwater1 (talk) 07:44, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Editnotices on mobile
Hi Teahouse volunteers. Recently, as per a passed RfC, Wikipedia:EditNoticesOnMobile is being rolled out to mobile users in a phased manner. Currently, it is available by default only for Extended confirmed users & Administrators, and will be expanded to all other users if everything goes right. If you find someone reporting a technical issue with the tool, please consider directing the issue to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) or Wikipedia talk:EditNoticesOnMobile. Thank you! —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 06:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Review of FREEE Recycle Article
Hello, Teahouse Volunteers, I recently developed an article on FREEE Recycle - Wikipedia and moved it to encyclopaedia article page. Kindly help review and edit or proffer suggestions, so it doesn't end up being deleted. Also i was wondering how long an article goes through review before it is published fully on wikipedia. Dumebiok (talk) 13:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Please go to the main teahouse page to ask for help, not this talk page. This talk page is for discussing how the Teahouse is run and maintained. Rob3512 (Talk) 15:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Upcoming WMF fundraising campaign
Hello everyone,
My name is Julia and I am the Community Relations person at the WMF Advancement Department which includes the fundraising team. As you might be aware the WMF will be launching the English Wikipedia banner fundraising campaign in late November and it will run until the end of December.
During last years' campaign, I noticed that you had a lot of people coming to this space with questions, suggestions, and complaints about the campaign. I am trying to help to decrease this kind of traffic this year. I prepared a draft Template for you to use. This is a draft so please do add aspects you would like to see in it. Using this template is a suggestion to hopefully make your life here easier in case you get an influx of enquiries during the campaign. I hope it will be useful and if you would like me to make any changes to it, please do let me know.
Generally speaking, you can ping me with anything fundraising related and I will come and help!
Best, JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 06:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- The draft is pretty good. I don't know if it would be practical to mention in the message but the two most common comments we get during a fundraising campaign are probably 1) is there a way to stop seeing them, and 2) I've already donated but I still see them. 331dot (talk) 07:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the feedback. I added both aspects to the Template. Does this make it clearer and addresses the most common questions? JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 07:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think it does, thank you. 331dot (talk) 07:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed a minor typo; the template looks fine, thanks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- The template created last year by the community still works and already had all that information:
{{subst:HD/Donation}}
. Of course, it has a... different tone, let’s say. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- The template created last year by the community still works and already had all that information:
- Thank you for the feedback. I added both aspects to the Template. Does this make it clearer and addresses the most common questions? JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 07:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Thoughts about amending the page notice for the Teahouse?
I was scrolling through the Teahouse today and came across this question, which extended into a comment branch before discovering that the user was using the mobile view that has a different layout. Does anyone think it might be helpful to add If you're using the mobile version of Wikipedia, please mention that in your question to the page notice that appears when creating a new discussion to head off potential miscommunication? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
How to approach a lack of sources?
Hello all, I will first of all disclose that I am new here, so perhaps there are other common practices or otherwise I am missing, if so please tell me as I truly am interested in becoming a meaningful contributor to this website. Anyways, I am trying my best to translate the de:Gerhard_Gerling article from the German branch of wikipedia into English. Originally I just wanted to translate the article, but since my draft was rejected for a lack of sources and references I began looking for those, as the original article itself lacked them. My issue then became, however, that the amount of information on this individual was rather sparse in all existing references. What I ended up finding was a biography on the individual commissioned by an independent organization to an independent (but accredited and experienced) biographer, which itself used plenty of official and reputable sources, both government and academic.
My question now is, in trying to expand and rewrite this article with the appropriate citations I've found myself nearly solely citing this singular biography, partially out of convenience but primarily out of necessity. I need to ask, is this poor practice? I looked on the article for how to write my first article, and it mentioned that the purpose of Wikipedia is to summarize other quality and reputable articles. I just want to make sure that primarily using this one biography, only sometimes supplemented by others, instead of relying on a variety of sources, won't be frowned upon. Jazzertyy (talk) 12:44, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Jazzertyy This page is for discussing the operation of the Teahouse, and is not the Teahouse itself. Please post this to the main Teahouse page(WP:TEAHOUSE). 331dot (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
oh I got the wrong link thanks Jazzertyy (talk) 12:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)