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'''[[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Locococoloco Martin]]''' ([[User talk:AntonioMartin|He he he he]]) 11:12, August 23, 2021 (UTC) |
'''[[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Locococoloco Martin]]''' ([[User talk:AntonioMartin|He he he he]]) 11:12, August 23, 2021 (UTC) |
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== User script to detect unreliable sources == |
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{{Main|User:Headbomb/unreliable}} |
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I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to [[WP:URS|unreliable sources]] and [[predatory journal]]s. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the [[Wikipedia:User scripts/Most imported scripts|39th most imported script on Wikipedia]]. The idea is that it takes something like |
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*John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14. (<code><nowiki>John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.</nowiki></code>) |
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and turns it into something like |
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* John Smith "{{highlight|[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]|pink}}" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14. |
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It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{tl|cite web}}, {{tl|cite journal}} and {{tl|doi}}. |
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The script is mostly based on [[WP:RSPSOURCES]], [[WP:NPPSG]] and [[WP:CITEWATCH]] and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed. |
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Do note that this is '''not a script to be mindlessly used''', and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at [[User:Headbomb/unreliable]]. Questions, comments and requests can be made at [[User talk:Headbomb/unreliable]]. |
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== Sanctioning bodies == |
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I'm always looking at ways to bring as much of [[MOS:BOXING]] in line with WP's overarching MOS, so that we don't encounter the ire of editors unfamiliar with our practices at WikiProject Boxing. [[MOS:INFONAT]] was a great spot—just another small detail to make MOS:BOXING look more 'legit', shall we say, and not [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing/Archive 8#Trivia in the notes|just an "essay"]]. Truth be told, it still kinda stings how [[User:Jason Quinn|that editor]] put it so dismissively.. got me right in the feelz. |
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Anyway, one format I've insisted on sticking to for years is abbreviating the sanctioning bodies, mainly WBA/WBA/IBF/WBO, but also IBO, EBU and whichever others are common. However, I may have been going about this wrong. At [[MOS:ACRO]] it says: |
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{{blockquote|Unless specified in the "[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Exceptions|Exceptions]]" section below, an acronym should be written out in full the first time it is used on a page, followed by the abbreviation in parentheses ... if it is used later in the article.}} |
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Therefore, in order to be compliant with [[MOS:ABBR]], what we should be doing in the lead and body of every boxing article (record tables and succession boxes are exempt for brevity) is replicating the format used in the lead section of [[Vitali Klitschko]], namely: |
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{{blockquote|He held the [[World Boxing Organization]] (WBO) title from 1999 to 2000 ... and the [[World Boxing Council]] (WBC) title twice between 2004 and 2013.}} |
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This is already regularly done with the [[Boxing Writers Association of America]] (BWAA) when naming awards, so it's time we start doing the same for the sanctioning bodies. Granted, it might look a bit clunky having to spell them out all the time, and in mainstream media the fully-worded names of the orgs are rarely used, but we have to accept they're not on the abovementioned list of exceptions. We wouldn't have to leg to stand on if any senior editor happened to come along and scrutinise MOS:BOXING for "doing our own thing", which is a possibility if edit wars spill out into [[WP:EWN]], [[WP:AIV]], [[WP:3O]], etc. |
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Bases covered and all that. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 20:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:Funnily enough, in my first few months of editing I edit warred with somebody to remove instances of this. They won (they linked a guideline or two), but I think I snuck back and changed it anyway (naughty). [[WP:I don't like it|I don't like it!]] But I don't really have much of a valid argument to make. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 08:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
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== Lennox Lewis: British or English == |
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Did Lewis identify as ''British'' or ''English'', during his boxing career. If British? Why then is the "U.K." omitted from his boxing matches articles' infoboxes & his BLP's infobox, concerning his ''birthplace''? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:People born in England are British. There's no need to include UK after England. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 18:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::People born in Maryland are American. There's no need to include USA after Maryland. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 18:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Maryland isn't a country. And we [[WP:NOTUSA|never use USA in locations]]. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 18:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::England isn't a sovereign state, either. My concern is that the boxers' birthplace should match their personal preference. We don't add "UK" to [[Joe Calzaghe]]'s BLP infobox, because he identified as Welsh. We should be adding "UK" to Lewis' BLP infobox, because he identified as British. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::Lewis' personal preference of British ''does'' match his place of birth. People born in England are British. Both Lewis and Calzaghe are British. England and Wales are in the UK. The reason UK is omitted has nothing to doing with a person identifying as English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British; it's omitted because it's unnecessary. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 20:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::It's omitted because over the years, enough editors pushed to have it omitted, which gives the UK special treatment. Anyways, we're just going in circles here. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::Your last sentence is one thing we can agree on. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 22:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::And the only one we'll agree on, apparently. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Boxing fight article parameters == |
== Boxing fight article parameters == |
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What do you all think? |
What do you all think? |
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Thanks and God bless! [[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Beaten by a knockout Martin]] ([[User talk:AntonioMartin|loser talk]]) 14:46, July 25, 2022 (UTC) |
Thanks and God bless! [[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Beaten by a knockout Martin]] ([[User talk:AntonioMartin|loser talk]]) 14:46, July 25, 2022 (UTC) |
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== Infobox boxer == |
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I've been looking at infoboxes from other sports and some have cool stuff we could implement. [[Template:Infobox baseball biography]] and [[Template:Infobox tennis biography]] have fields for when a player turned professional and retired, which are nice to see. For boxers, readers have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the record table or ''Professional career'' section. Why not simply copy the fields for our purposes? [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 19:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wording of multi-weight champions/WBA titles == |
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[[User talk:Ronten5|User:Ronten5]] brings up a valid point regarding [[Gervonta Davis]], in that it can be questioned as to whether he is a legitimate three-weight champion. There are sources which say both, but we could nonetheless try to come up with our own compromise on WP, without outright denying that a boxer won a WBA Regular "world title". |
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If they have won a mix of WBA Super/Regular titles, and if there is a dispute—such as in the case of Regular titlist Davis not facing his Super titlist peers—we could perhaps avoid linking to the [[triple champion]] (and upwards) articles. Just list the titles they have won, but ''not'' label them as an ''x''-weight champion. This would apply to several boxers of the past three decades since the WBA Regular titles were introduced. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 16:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes let's just list the titles they won, instead of labeling them as x-weight champion. [[User:Ronten5|Ronten5]] ([[User talk:Ronten5|talk]]) 23:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[Draft:Daniel Hennessey (ring announcer)]] == |
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Hey Can someone help me out please? I am not sure what to do next. I am pretty sure I am done. If i need to do more I can but I want to see if this is ready to be publish and how do i do that with this. for context here is this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Daniel_Hennessey_(ring_announcer)] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Hennessey_(ring_announcer)]. [[User:Bennyaha|Bennyaha]] ([[User talk:Bennyaha|talk]]) 21:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Thanks and God bless!
Antonio Locococoloco Martin (He he he he) 11:12, August 23, 2021 (UTC)
Boxing fight article parameters
Hi! I'd like to establish some parameters as far as notability for boxing fights. As there have been tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of boxing fights, including world championship ones, parameters should be established as to which boxing fights should have an independent article apart from being mentioned in the respective boxers' articles and which should not. The article criteria should be:
- Main or co-main events on Pay Per View
- HBO
- Showtime
- Or another country's equivalent to those American channels
- Fights with a proven historical context or impact (therefore Wilfredo Gomez versus Carlos Zarate, Gomez vs. Salvador Sanchez, The no Mas Fight and Jack Dempsey vs. Georges Carpentier, for example, would qualify)
- Fights where a country or a continent crowned its first world boxing champion
- Major organization's (IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO) unification bouts
- Ring Magazine fight of the year award winning fights
- Knockout of the year
- Upset of the year
- Fight of the decade
- Fights that led to major changes in boxing rules or where a major scandal took place
should qualify as notable enough or as notability establishing standards for boxing fights as events notable enough to have their articles on wikipedia. What do you all think? Thanks and God bless! Antonio Beaten by a knockout Martin (loser talk) 14:46, July 25, 2022 (UTC)
Infobox boxer
I've been looking at infoboxes from other sports and some have cool stuff we could implement. Template:Infobox baseball biography and Template:Infobox tennis biography have fields for when a player turned professional and retired, which are nice to see. For boxers, readers have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the record table or Professional career section. Why not simply copy the fields for our purposes? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Wording of multi-weight champions/WBA titles
User:Ronten5 brings up a valid point regarding Gervonta Davis, in that it can be questioned as to whether he is a legitimate three-weight champion. There are sources which say both, but we could nonetheless try to come up with our own compromise on WP, without outright denying that a boxer won a WBA Regular "world title".
If they have won a mix of WBA Super/Regular titles, and if there is a dispute—such as in the case of Regular titlist Davis not facing his Super titlist peers—we could perhaps avoid linking to the triple champion (and upwards) articles. Just list the titles they have won, but not label them as an x-weight champion. This would apply to several boxers of the past three decades since the WBA Regular titles were introduced. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes let's just list the titles they won, instead of labeling them as x-weight champion. Ronten5 (talk) 23:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Hey Can someone help me out please? I am not sure what to do next. I am pretty sure I am done. If i need to do more I can but I want to see if this is ready to be publish and how do i do that with this. for context here is this [1] [2]. Bennyaha (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)