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Thanks and God bless! [[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Beaten by a knockout Martin]] ([[User talk:AntonioMartin|loser talk]]) 14:46, July 25, 2022 (UTC) |
Thanks and God bless! [[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Beaten by a knockout Martin]] ([[User talk:AntonioMartin|loser talk]]) 14:46, July 25, 2022 (UTC) |
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== Infobox boxer == |
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== "African Boxing Confederation" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] == |
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An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect [[:African Boxing Confederation]] and has thus listed it [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|for discussion]]. This discussion will occur at {{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 19#African Boxing Confederation}} until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 21:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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*And similarly [[American Boxing Confederation]]. [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 21:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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I've been looking at infoboxes from other sports and some have cool stuff we could implement. [[Template:Infobox baseball biography]] and [[Template:Infobox tennis biography]] have fields for when a player turned professional and retired, which are nice to see. For boxers, readers have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the record table or ''Professional career'' section. Why not simply copy the fields for our purposes? [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 19:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== ABC regional titles == |
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== Wording of multi-weight champions/WBA titles == |
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I've been using these formats for as long as I can remember.. |
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*[[World Boxing Association|WBA]]–[[North American Boxing Association|NABA]] |
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*[[World Boxing Association|WBC]]–[[North American Boxing Federation|NABF]] |
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*[[International Boxing Federation|IBF]]–[[United States Boxing Association|USBA]] |
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*[[World Boxing Association|WBO]]–[[North American Boxing Federation|NABO]] |
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.. but a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sergey_Kovalev&diff=1106815499&oldid=1101572672 recent edit] by User:Fep1970 made me realise they're not correct. Yes, they're affiliated with the main orgs, but not labelled as such. Some may remember I made a [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing/Archive 6#WBC International Silver|similar mistake]] with WBC International Silver. So, zap the prefixed main orgs wherever you see them and just leave the affiliated org. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 16:04, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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[[User talk:Ronten5|User:Ronten5]] brings up a valid point regarding [[Gervonta Davis]], in that it can be questioned as to whether he is a legitimate three-weight champion. There are sources which say both, but we could nonetheless try to come up with our own compromise on WP, without outright denying that a boxer won a WBA Regular "world title". |
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== Indefinite articles in ''Notes'' == |
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If they have won a mix of WBA Super/Regular titles, and if there is a dispute—such as in the case of Regular titlist Davis not facing his Super titlist peers—we could perhaps avoid linking to the [[triple champion]] (and upwards) articles. Just list the titles they have won, but ''not'' label them as an ''x''-weight champion. This would apply to several boxers of the past three decades since the WBA Regular titles were introduced. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 16:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Apologies for spamming this here talk with yet more nitpicky shit, but there's something in ''Notes'' which has started to bug me—or rather, has me doubting myself with one of my old formats when the MOS got started. |
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:Yes let's just list the titles they won, instead of labeling them as x-weight champion. [[User:Ronten5|Ronten5]] ([[User talk:Ronten5|talk]]) 23:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC) |
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For TD/NC/DQ explanations, we currently have these formats (indefinite articles underlined): |
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{{blockquote|{{small|Split TD: Boxer cut from <u>an</u> accidental head clash}} }} |
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{{blockquote|{{small|Originally <u>a</u> TKO win for Opponent, later ruled <u>an</u> NC after they failed <u>a</u> drug test}} }} |
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{{blockquote|{{small|Originally <u>a</u> DQ win for Boxer, later ruled <u>a</u> KO win for Opponent after <u>an</u> incorrect referee call}} }} |
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Just a tiny bit clunky, but nothing outrageously brevity-killing. And should that be "an NC" or "a NC"? Anyway, if we drop the indefinite articles ("a", "an"): |
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{{blockquote|{{small|Split TD: Boxer cut from accidental head clash}} }} |
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{{blockquote|{{small|Originally TKO win for Opponent, later ruled NC after they failed drug test}} }} |
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{{blockquote|{{small|Originally DQ win for Boxer, later ruled KO win for Opponent after incorrect referee call}} }} |
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Things start to look really clunky. Conversely, we never use definite articles ("the") for titles: |
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{{blockquote|{{small|For WBC welterweight title}} }} |
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Add the definite article: |
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{{blockquote|{{small|For the WBC welterweight title}} }} |
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Now that just looks flat-out weird. Any thoughts? [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 19:47, 2 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[Draft:Daniel Hennessey (ring announcer)]] == |
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== RfC about replacing "vs." and "v" with "vs" in boxing match article titles == |
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Hey Can someone help me out please? I am not sure what to do next. I am pretty sure I am done. If i need to do more I can but I want to see if this is ready to be publish and how do i do that with this. for context here is this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Daniel_Hennessey_(ring_announcer)] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Hennessey_(ring_announcer)]. [[User:Bennyaha|Bennyaha]] ([[User talk:Bennyaha|talk]]) 21:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC) |
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In this Request for Comment, editors discussed what abbreviations for ''versus'' should be used in the context of boxing match article titles. Specifically, the abbreviations v., v, vs., and vs are discussed. |
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Firstly, I find that there does appear to be a '''consensus against using v or v. abbreviations''' in boxing match titles. A strong majority of editors agree that v or v. is either (or both) uncommon in boxing articles or more associated with the legal realm, rather than sporting. |
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While consensus is [[WP:NOTVOTE|not a headcount]], I would like the preface by saying there are four editors who made policy-based arguments for a ''vs preference'' while there are two against the preference.{{efn|For the purposes of this close, I will refer to those who support a ''vs preference'' as the '''affirmation''' and those against it as the '''opposition'''.}} Furthermore, there was one other editor on the affirmation that gave a [[WP:ILIKEIT]] !vote (that !vote will not be considered in this consensus analysis) and there was one editor who never clearly stated or implied their position but made an argument giving some credence to the opposition (that will be given a more limited weight in the analysis).{{efn|These numbers put this discussion in the 30-70% range that are typical of no consensus results. (see [[WP:Advice on closing discussions#Common results|here]]) Of course weight of arguments must be assessed as well. |
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Here is a survey of the !votes:<br> |
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'''Affirmation''': Tbf69, The Gnome, Scapulus, and HTGS<br> |
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'''Opposition''': Squared.Circle.Boxing and Jahalive<br> |
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'''Discounted''': Mac Dreamstate (this users ILIKEIT !vote was discounted but other separate analysis done by them of the dialect differences was considered as you'll see below)<br> |
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'''Other''': SMCCandlish (argued that there is a regional distinction, never stated position clearly)}} The affirmation argues that it would create a [[WP:CONSISTENT|consistent standard]] and would be simpler/cleaner/shorter, while those in the opposition emphasized that there are regional dialect differences{{efn|It was pointed out in the discussion by many editors that vs. is more common in America than in Europe and other areas of the world, where vs is prominent. Regional difference was acknowledged by at least four of the participants (Mac Dreamstate, SMCCandlish, Squared.Circle.Boxing, and Jahalive). This demonstrates that there is ''considerable'' agreement on the substance of the oppositions dialect argument.}} that could lead to one article using vs and another using vs. (this argument is grounded in [[MOS:TIES]], [[MOS:ENGVAR]], and [[WP:TITLEVAR]]). I think it needs to be noted that both camps have good arguments that are based in [[WP:PAG|Wikipedia policies and guidelines]]. |
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To a certain extent, this discussion suffered from a lack of participation, which is problematic considering this could have project wide implications for Wikiproject Boxing. While the affirmation has a technical numeric majority by two !votes, there isn't a silver bullet policy argument here to tip the scale enough to reach a consensus for either side, especially considering the credence given to the opposition by multiple participants. Therefore, there is '''no consensus to replace vs. with vs''' in boxing match titles. |
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<small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>[[User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|<b style="color: #E2062C ;"> ''Iamreallygoodatcheckers''</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|<b style="color: #000000;"> talk</b>]]</sup> 08:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC) |
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I'm opening a [[Wikipedia:RfC|RfC]] about replacing "vs." and "v" with "vs" in boxing match article titles --[[User:Tbf69|Tbf69]] 15:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment:''' currently, [[MOS:MISCSHORT]] allows for all variations listed. I've never liked the dot in "vs.", but maybe it's strongly an American preference that cannot reasonably be expected to make way for "vs" for U.S.-based fights. I would absolutely loathe to see "v" used. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 18:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::I'm hoping that there's going to be consensus on this issue that allows for an exception to [[MOS:MISCSHORT]], for boxing match titles. |
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::--<span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span> [[User:Tbf69|userpage]]</span> •  <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';">[[User talk:Tbf69|talkpage]]</span> 19:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I'm not sure we would be able to apply one or the other across all articles. As much as I love consistency, [[MOS:TIES]] should apply. Fights in the UK (and Europe?) should be without a fullstop and those in America (Canada too?) should be with. I'm not quite sure on "vs" vs "v" for British-English; I'd personally prefer "vs", but as Mac has pointed out, "v" seems to be common in English sports. However, looking at a bunch of official fight posters, I'm seeing both being used with no particular preference either way. So we may have an argument to go with "vs" over "v". – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 12:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::::My argument against [[MOS:TIES]] is that many US based sources use "vs", hence it could become the new standard, if consensus is reached via this RfC. --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span> [[User:Tbf69|userpage]]</span> • <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';">[[User talk:Tbf69|usertalk]]</span> 12:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*Just "v" is primarily a legal, not sporting, usage. "Vs." is usual in the US. Yes, some US sources use "vs", but they're just being lazy. "Vs" is more usual in Commonwealth English. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 13:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::I agree with "v" having mainly legal usage, but the aim is to standardize and create a consistency with specifically boxing match articles, as this is one area where there is major overlap and inconsistency between American, and British/Commonwealth English. |
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::Many boxing matches occur outside of these two regions, hence which version is to be used? |
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::For an example issue, many boxing matches such as [[Anthony Joshua vs. Andy Ruiz Jr.]] and [[Jake Paul vs Tommy Fury]] are being held in [[Saudi Arabia]], so which version should we use. |
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::My proposition is using "vs" as an international standard, as it is widely used in US media (I don't believe that's due to "laziness"), and is the most common form of title in many places. |
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::Thanks, --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span> [[User:Tbf69|userpage]]</span> • <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';">[[User talk:Tbf69|usertalk]]</span> 14:08, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. The period/full stop is superfluous. -[[User:The Gnome|The Gnome]] ([[User talk:The Gnome|talk]]) 18:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support/Prefer vs as standard'''. The Chicago Manual of Style actually prefers "vs." They don't even mention just "vs". However, Merriam-Webster, like WP:MOS, approves of all three. I agree with previous comments that "v." is largely legalistic, so that should simply be discarded as an option. My preference would be "vs" for the sake of practicality and simplicity; it also seems to be more universal than "vs." [[User:Scapulus|<b style="color:#EC9906">Scap</b><b style="color:#BEB25A">ulus</b>]][[User talk:Scapulus|<b style="color:#FFC419"><sup>takk</sup></b>]] 19:05, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*:I agree, my main thought is that because "vs" is so standard outside of the USA, and within the USA all three are used, that "vs" should adopted as standard for all articles about boxing matches. --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span> [[User:Tbf69|userpage]]</span> • <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';">[[User talk:Tbf69|usertalk]]</span> 19:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*:Merriam-Webster dictionary or manual of style? |
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*:How is "vs" more practical? |
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*:Why is it more universal than "vs."?-- [[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 21:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' using "vs" with no dot, across WP regardless of MOS:TIES. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 12:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::'''Comment:''' disclosing that [[WP:ILIKEIT]]. No other reason. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 22:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' replacing "vs." per [[WP:TITLEVAR]]. Policy states, {{tq|If a topic has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation, the title of its article should use that nation's variety of English}}. American-English typically uses full stops for abbreviations while British-English doesn't. Ringtv[https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aringtv.com+%22vs%22&oq=site%3Aringtv&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j69i58j69i59.15630j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung-ga-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8] and ESPN[https://www.google.com/search?q=site:espn.com+%22vs%22+boxing&client=ms-android-samsung-ga-rev1&sxsrf=AJOqlzVAZSo6olZcCf07UklCWEmTm2neAw:1676207695849&ei=T-boY7nDM9Ka8gK8xZ6gCQ&start=30&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwj5pp-iiJD9AhVSjVwKHbyiB5QQ8tMDegQIKhAI&biw=1121&bih=1983&dpr=2.63] (both American) include the full stop. '''Support''' replacing any instances of "v" (I haven't seen any) with "vs". – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 13:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*:Unclear what your postion is on fights outside of the US and UK, such as [[Jake Paul vs Tommy Fury]]. |
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*:This proposal is about adopting "vs" as standard, as the use of "vs." and "vs" from US sources is mixed (for example: [https://www.premierboxingchampions.com/sites/default/files/05.18_Web_0.jpg]). --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span> [[User:Tbf69|userpage]]</span> • <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';">[[User talk:Tbf69|usertalk]]</span> 09:56, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*::I'd argue Paul vs Fury should be American-English. Without Fury the event goes on with a different opponent; without Paul there is no event. That should be a strong enough tie. |
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*::I don't see the inconsistent usage in some US sources as an issue. The [[Chicago Manual of Style]] and [[Associated Press Stylebook]] both say to use the period. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 12:19, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*:::Many others in this RfC see inconsistent usage of "vs" and "vs." in the US, but consistent usage of "vs" outside the US as a reason to standardize on "vs". |
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*:::Also, we cannot base the usage of "vs" or "vs." on every match outside the US on a wishy-washy metric of who's more important to the bout. --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span> [[User:Tbf69|userpage]]</span> • <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';">[[User talk:Tbf69|usertalk]]</span> 12:24, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*::::Individual publications deciding to go against American-English conventions shouldn't be a reason for us to follow suit and ignore Wikipedia policy. I only see an argument to standardise one or the other for fights between non-English-speaking fighters located in non-English-speaking countries. |
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*::::And I don't see my suggestion as a "wishy-washy metric"; the A-side in a fight is the "more important" of the two in the overwhleming majority of cases. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 13:36, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*:::::We can refer to [[WP:CONSISTENT]] however. Also, from an encyclopedic perspective ([[WP:ENC]]), we shouldn't be considering the "A-side" in articles. --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span></span> [[User:Tbf69|P]] • [[User talk:Tbf69|T]] 17:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*::::::WP:CONSISTENT says, {{tq|There are two main areas, however, where Wikipedians have consistently shown that consistency does '''not''' control:}}...{{tq|Spelling that differs between different varieties of English}}. TITLEVAR is unaffected. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 19:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*:::::::[[WP:TITLEVAR|TITLEVAR]] applies when Americans ''always'' spell color that way and those who don’t are seen as wrong (and ''vice versa'' for other countries). If people spell it differently by preference, and {{em|publications differ by style guide}}, then we don’t treat that as a national variety of English. For the same reason we are able to apply [[MOS:LOGICAL]] quotes to every article despite that style being more common in some countries than others. <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">— <span style="border-radius:5px;padding:.1em .4em;background:#faeded">[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]</span> ([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</span> 20:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*::::::::What American style guides recommend "vs" with no period? The only one I'm aware of is the American Medical Association's. If this was a medical topic that recommendation might be relevant, but it's not. |
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*::::::::Wikipedia's MOS says "In sports, it is "vs." or "vs", depending on [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Varieties of English|dialect]]."- [[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 18:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Question: '''What would be the benefit of changing all these article titles to a standard form of the abbreviation?--[[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 18:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*:Cleaner, makes making new match articles easier, makes linking easier. --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span></span> [[User:Tbf69|P]] • [[User talk:Tbf69|T]] 19:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::*What do you mean by cleaner? |
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:::How would that make it easier to make an new article? |
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:::Copying and pasting an article title into a link is pretty easy.--[[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:::*It'll be cleaner because it will be shorter. And it will be simpler because the often confusing, full stop/period at the end of an [[Abbreviation|abbreviated word]] would be eliminated. As to c&p, that's evidendly not always the case. -[[User:The Gnome|The Gnome]] ([[User talk:The Gnome|talk]]) 10:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:::*:Oh yeah, cleaner, like taking out all those dirty, superfluous "u"s in words like colour and labour. {{emoji|1F609}} Using "v" would be "cleanest"; it seems to be most popular in Australia, (ex. [https://anbf.org.au/upcomingevents/ Australian National Boxing Federation - Upcoming Events], [https://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/kambosos-v-haney-live-updates-world-lightweight-crown-on-the-line-in-melbourne-20221016-p5bq4r.html?post=p548np#p548np Kambosos v Haney LIVE updates] & [https://wwos.nine.com.au/combat-sports/devin-haney-george-kambosos-jr-2-boxing-fight-2022-live-updates-main-event-start-time-weigh-ins-round-by-round-results-latest-news/5d578d5a-47b9-4b4d-9c7e-692a834f21ca AS IT HAPPENED: 'Courageous' Kambosos responds to retirement rumours after rematch loss]) but I'd like to hear from an Australian. |
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:::*:It's hard to believe that anyone would be confused by seeing any of the four forms of the abbreviation in this context. |
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:::*:I don't understand your point about copying and pasting.-- [[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 21:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] see [[WP:CONSISTENT]] <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">— <span style="border-radius:5px;padding:.1em .4em;background:#faeded">[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]</span> ([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</span> 20:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:::As 2.O.Boxing explained above, consistency does not overrule national varieties of English-- [[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 22:23, 22 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::::"Vs." is not an "American variety" however, hence does fall under [[WP:CONSISTENT]] --- <span style="font-family: 'Verdana';"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:120%">'''Tbf69'''</span></span></span> [[User:Tbf69|P]] • [[User talk:Tbf69|T]] 22:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::By far, the most common usage in American English is "vs.", don't you agree?-- [[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 22:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support vs''' as an ideal opportunity for [[WP:CONSISTENT]]cy. Whether there is a regional difference is not something I have ever noticed, but I hardly think many Americans will be offended at a missing period on [[MOS:ENGVAR]] grounds. In fact, given that you find both forms in many countries, you might say that Americans who use the period are just being extra. <br>As a secondary preference – in the case that votes win out to treat it as an ENGVAR case – we should at least be consistent with the two, and avoid {{tq|v}}. <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">— <span style="border-radius:5px;padding:.1em .4em;background:#faeded">[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]</span> ([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</span> 21:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' replacing "vs." The most common usage in American English is "vs." It is recommended by [[The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage]], [[The Chicago Manual of Style]] and the [[AP Stylebook]]. The most common usage in British English is "vs" (with no full stop). The most common usage in Australia might be "v", but I was the only one to comment on that. [[MOS:ENGVAR]] and [[WP:TITLEVAR]] apply. There would be no significant benefit to ignoring these policies and replacing the American "vs." with "vs".--[[User:Jahalive|Jahalive]] ([[User talk:Jahalive|talk]]) 21:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Mass draftification proposal on Olympians == |
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You may be interested in [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC on draftifying a subset of mass-created Olympian microstubs|this village pump discussion]] on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 14:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== RfC on omitting upcoming fights in professional boxing record tables == |
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Should we omit upcoming fights—even if confirmed with a date, press conferences or other publicity—from professional boxing record tables? Choices are to '''Support''' or '''Oppose''' omitting upcoming fights. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 18:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' omitting upcoming fights. "Confirmed" dates or not, boxing is in stark contrast to other major sports such as football (soccer and American), snooker, tennis, motorsports, or wintersports, to name but a few. These sports operate under governing bodies, and stage annual events scheduled years in advance—only something Earth-shattering like COVID could ever postpone or cancel those. This is completely unlike boxing, a notoriously decentralised and shambolic sport at the professional level, which never holds annual events. Due to mishaps such as missing weight and other shenanigans, every single scheduled fight on a boxing card is subject to change on the same day—even hours before a fight (see [https://www.boxingscene.com/dimitrenko-faints-dressing-room-fight-called-off--33511 Alexander Dimitrenko in 2010]). No other major sports have this problem. |
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:Including upcoming fights on a table is unencyclopaedic. An encyclopaedia is a publication of factual information ''which has taken place'' or been otherwise proven. An upcoming boxing match has not taken place, has not been proven to exist until the bell rings, and could be cancelled within hours of said bell ringing. We should only be adding fights to record tables after they have taken place. This ensures adherence to [[WP:V]] (a completed fight is a 100% verifiable event), [[WP:CRYSTAL]], and we do away with many pointless edits which end up being reverted due to fight negotiations falling apart or the event being cancelled. The article body—prose—is where such content belongs. |
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:The use of hidden notes as a placeholder for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tyson_Fury&diff=1144680151&oldid=1144395877 "almost certainly confirmed fights"] by some users is egregious and makes a mockery of WP. A record table should be a factual record of whom a boxer ''has fought''. Not who they might fight, or who they're scheduled to fight, but an indisputable set-in-stone record of who they have fought. [[User:Mac Dreamstate|Mac Dreamstate]] ([[User talk:Mac Dreamstate|talk]]) 19:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per the above (that includes the hidden comments). WP:CRYSTAL sums it up nicely: {{tq|Individual '''scheduled or expected future events''' should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are '''not definite''' until the event actually takes place}} (original emphasis). As we see at least half a dozen times per year, confirmed ≠ going to happen. – [[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red">''<sup>2</sup>''</span>]].[[User:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: blue">'''''O'''''</span>]].[[User talk:Squared.Circle.Boxing|<span style="color: red"><sup>''Boxing''</sup></span>]] 22:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Thanks and God bless!
Antonio Locococoloco Martin (He he he he) 11:12, August 23, 2021 (UTC)
Boxing fight article parameters
Hi! I'd like to establish some parameters as far as notability for boxing fights. As there have been tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of boxing fights, including world championship ones, parameters should be established as to which boxing fights should have an independent article apart from being mentioned in the respective boxers' articles and which should not. The article criteria should be:
- Main or co-main events on Pay Per View
- HBO
- Showtime
- Or another country's equivalent to those American channels
- Fights with a proven historical context or impact (therefore Wilfredo Gomez versus Carlos Zarate, Gomez vs. Salvador Sanchez, The no Mas Fight and Jack Dempsey vs. Georges Carpentier, for example, would qualify)
- Fights where a country or a continent crowned its first world boxing champion
- Major organization's (IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO) unification bouts
- Ring Magazine fight of the year award winning fights
- Knockout of the year
- Upset of the year
- Fight of the decade
- Fights that led to major changes in boxing rules or where a major scandal took place
should qualify as notable enough or as notability establishing standards for boxing fights as events notable enough to have their articles on wikipedia. What do you all think? Thanks and God bless! Antonio Beaten by a knockout Martin (loser talk) 14:46, July 25, 2022 (UTC)
Infobox boxer
I've been looking at infoboxes from other sports and some have cool stuff we could implement. Template:Infobox baseball biography and Template:Infobox tennis biography have fields for when a player turned professional and retired, which are nice to see. For boxers, readers have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the record table or Professional career section. Why not simply copy the fields for our purposes? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Wording of multi-weight champions/WBA titles
User:Ronten5 brings up a valid point regarding Gervonta Davis, in that it can be questioned as to whether he is a legitimate three-weight champion. There are sources which say both, but we could nonetheless try to come up with our own compromise on WP, without outright denying that a boxer won a WBA Regular "world title".
If they have won a mix of WBA Super/Regular titles, and if there is a dispute—such as in the case of Regular titlist Davis not facing his Super titlist peers—we could perhaps avoid linking to the triple champion (and upwards) articles. Just list the titles they have won, but not label them as an x-weight champion. This would apply to several boxers of the past three decades since the WBA Regular titles were introduced. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes let's just list the titles they won, instead of labeling them as x-weight champion. Ronten5 (talk) 23:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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