![]() | Boxing Project‑class | |||||||||||
|
|
|||||||||||
This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 5 sections are present. |
![Notice](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png)
The article Omar Albanil has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Non notable boxer or businessman
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}}
will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.
Thanks and God bless!
Antonio Locococoloco Martin (He he he he) 11:12, August 23, 2021 (UTC)
Infobox tweaks: wins/losses/draws/NCs
Since the start of the MOS, I've been a proponent for including a redundant "0" even if a boxer has no losses, whilst omitting draws and NCs. Not really sure what my rationale was, but it's pointless either way. What's say we simply let the fields for Total fights and Wins balance themselves out and omit "0" from all fields until they become "1" or more? The infobox (truncated for example purposes) for Oleksandr Usyk would therefore look like this:
Oleksandr Usyk | |
---|---|
Boxing record | |
Total fights | 19 |
Wins | 19 |
Wins by KO | 13 |
As can be seen, there is no reason to list "0" losses since the total and wins tally up anyway. Listing "0" for losses, draws and NCs would look even dumber. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with this proposal. It is clear by looking at 19 fights, 19 wins, that there are 0 losses in this context.CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- The rationale I always figured was behind it was that undefeated records are always emphasised, whereas 0 draws and NCs aren't. Although I like it, I'm not fussed either way. – 2.O.Boxing 20:43, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
INFONAT
Can somebody incorporate the guidance from WP:INFONAT into the MOS? Cheers. – 2.O.Boxing 20:45, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Are we to begin ditching nationality altogether from the self-explanatory ones? As in, no more
nationality=American
for Mayweather, ornationality=British
for Joshua? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)- Yea that's the idea. It should only be used for the mandem like Dillian and similar such cases. – 2.O.Boxing 21:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Good to know, I'll add it to the MOS. Just thinking, it may possibly avert some of the edit warring over English/Scottish/Welsh/NI when it comes to that field. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Done. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nice one. That's two of the most common types of persistent edit wars that I deal with put to bed. Happy days. – 2.O.Boxing 04:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Good to know, I'll add it to the MOS. Just thinking, it may possibly avert some of the edit warring over English/Scottish/Welsh/NI when it comes to that field. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yea that's the idea. It should only be used for the mandem like Dillian and similar such cases. – 2.O.Boxing 21:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)
and turns it into something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Sanctioning bodies
I'm always looking at ways to bring as much of MOS:BOXING in line with WP's overarching MOS, so that we don't encounter the ire of editors unfamiliar with our practices at WikiProject Boxing. MOS:INFONAT was a great spot—just another small detail to make MOS:BOXING look more 'legit', shall we say, and not just an "essay". Truth be told, it still kinda stings how that editor put it so dismissively.. got me right in the feelz.
Anyway, one format I've insisted on sticking to for years is abbreviating the sanctioning bodies, mainly WBA/WBA/IBF/WBO, but also IBO, EBU and whichever others are common. However, I may have been going about this wrong. At MOS:ACRO it says:
Unless specified in the "Exceptions" section below, an acronym should be written out in full the first time it is used on a page, followed by the abbreviation in parentheses ... if it is used later in the article.
Therefore, in order to be compliant with MOS:ABBR, what we should be doing in the lead and body of every boxing article (record tables and succession boxes are exempt for brevity) is replicating the format used in the lead section of Vitali Klitschko, namely:
He held the World Boxing Organization (WBO) title from 1999 to 2000 ... and the World Boxing Council (WBC) title twice between 2004 and 2013.
This is already regularly done with the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) when naming awards, so it's time we start doing the same for the sanctioning bodies. Granted, it might look a bit clunky having to spell them out all the time, and in mainstream media the fully-worded names of the orgs are rarely used, but we have to accept they're not on the abovementioned list of exceptions. We wouldn't have to leg to stand on if any senior editor happened to come along and scrutinise MOS:BOXING for "doing our own thing", which is a possibility if edit wars spill out into WP:EWN, WP:AIV, WP:3O, etc.
Bases covered and all that. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Funnily enough, in my first few months of editing I edit warred with somebody to remove instances of this. They won (they linked a guideline or two), but I think I snuck back and changed it anyway (naughty). I don't like it! But I don't really have much of a valid argument to make. – 2.O.Boxing 08:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Lennox Lewis: British or English
Did Lewis identify as British or English, during his boxing career. If British? Why then is the "U.K." omitted from his boxing matches articles' infoboxes & his BLP's infobox, concerning his birthplace? GoodDay (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- People born in England are British. There's no need to include UK after England. – 2.O.Boxing 18:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- People born in Maryland are American. There's no need to include USA after Maryland. GoodDay (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Maryland isn't a country. And we never use USA in locations. – 2.O.Boxing 18:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- England isn't a sovereign state, either. My concern is that the boxers' birthplace should match their personal preference. We don't add "UK" to Joe Calzaghe's BLP infobox, because he identified as Welsh. We should be adding "UK" to Lewis' BLP infobox, because he identified as British. GoodDay (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lewis' personal preference of British does match his place of birth. People born in England are British. Both Lewis and Calzaghe are British. England and Wales are in the UK. The reason UK is omitted has nothing to doing with a person identifying as English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British; it's omitted because it's unnecessary. – 2.O.Boxing 20:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's omitted because over the years, enough editors pushed to have it omitted, which gives the UK special treatment. Anyways, we're just going in circles here. GoodDay (talk) 22:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Your last sentence is one thing we can agree on. – 2.O.Boxing 22:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- And the only one we'll agree on, apparently. GoodDay (talk) 22:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Your last sentence is one thing we can agree on. – 2.O.Boxing 22:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's omitted because over the years, enough editors pushed to have it omitted, which gives the UK special treatment. Anyways, we're just going in circles here. GoodDay (talk) 22:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lewis' personal preference of British does match his place of birth. People born in England are British. Both Lewis and Calzaghe are British. England and Wales are in the UK. The reason UK is omitted has nothing to doing with a person identifying as English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British; it's omitted because it's unnecessary. – 2.O.Boxing 20:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- England isn't a sovereign state, either. My concern is that the boxers' birthplace should match their personal preference. We don't add "UK" to Joe Calzaghe's BLP infobox, because he identified as Welsh. We should be adding "UK" to Lewis' BLP infobox, because he identified as British. GoodDay (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Maryland isn't a country. And we never use USA in locations. – 2.O.Boxing 18:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- People born in Maryland are American. There's no need to include USA after Maryland. GoodDay (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Boxing fight article parameters
Hi! I'd like to establish some parameters as far as notability for boxing fights. As there have been tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of boxing fights, including world championship ones, parameters should be established as to which boxing fights should have an independent article apart from being mentioned in the respective boxers' articles and which should not. The article criteria should be:
- Main or co-main events on Pay Per View
- HBO
- Showtime
- Or another country's equivalent to those American channels
- Fights with a proven historical context or impact (therefore Wilfredo Gomez versus Carlos Zarate, Gomez vs. Salvador Sanchez, The no Mas Fight and Jack Dempsey vs. Georges Carpentier, for example, would qualify)
- Fights where a country or a continent crowned its first world boxing champion
- Major organization's (IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO) unification bouts
- Ring Magazine fight of the year award winning fights
- Knockout of the year
- Upset of the year
- Fight of the decade
- Fights that led to major changes in boxing rules or where a major scandal took place
should qualify as notable enough or as notability establishing standards for boxing fights as events notable enough to have their articles on wikipedia. What do you all think? Thanks and God bless! Antonio Beaten by a knockout Martin (loser talk) 14:46, July 25, 2022 (UTC)