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== ''Empire of the Sultans'' still seeking reviewers == |
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== Image on Template: Islam (again) == |
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Since I posted the above notice about the [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Empire_of_the_Sultans/archive1|Featured Article Candidacy]] of ''[[Empire of the Sultans]]'', there has been more interest and the review process has progressed further, which I'm very grateful for. We still need more reviewers to take part, following the instructions at [[Wikipedia:FACSUPPORTOPPOSE]]. A great deal of work has gone into both the article and the review; this is a chance to make a community decision on the results. Thanks in advance for any help! [[User:MartinPoulter|MartinPoulter]] ([[User talk:MartinPoulter|talk]]) 13:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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We had no consensus (ever) on which image to use on the template which led to years long series of edit wars. so let's (try to) make this discussion the final say on this old debate. |
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== Help needed at [[Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz]], re addition of Persian name and concerns of circular sourcing == |
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This is my opinion on the subject: |
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<br>those who claim that the word [[Allah]] is "inclusive of all Muslims", please provide your proof. All religions with all the sects believe in a God but that doesn't make the calligraphy of the word God a symbol of the said religion! Please support your claims with sources that prove that this word symbolize Islam! Is there any Islamic organizations that use it? No. But many Islamic organizations does use the [[crescent and star]]. |
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Your input would be appreciated at [[Talk:Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz#Sources for the name Piruz Nahavandi]]. Summaries of the dispute and discussion thread [[Talk:Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz#Summary of the dispute and discussion|may be found here]]. Thanks! <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">☿ [[User:Apaugasma|<span style="color:#6a0dad">Apaugasma</span>]] ([[User talk:Apaugasma|<span style="color:#000">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Apaugasma|☉]])</span> 15:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Grand Mosque of Erzurum#Requested move 4 May 2024]] == |
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Here's a few examples: |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Grand Mosque of Erzurum#Requested move 4 May 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Wikiexplorationandhelping|Wikiexplorationandhelping]] ([[User talk:Wikiexplorationandhelping|talk]]) 13:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*It is used on most Muslim countries' flags: |
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**[[Malaysia]] |
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**[[Pakistan]] |
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**[[Turkey]] |
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**[[Tunisia]] |
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**[[Algeria]] |
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**[[Mauritania]] |
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**[[Libya]] |
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**[[Turkmenistan]] |
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**[[Uzbekistan]] |
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**[[Azerbaijan]] |
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**[[Maldives]] |
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**[[Comoros]] |
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**[[Cocos (Keeling) Islands]] |
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**[[Western Sahara]] |
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**East Turkestan [[Kokbayraq|flag]] and [[Emblem of East Turkestan|emblem]] |
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**used in flag of [[Flag of Singapor#Design|Singapore]] to represent the Muslim minority |
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*it is the most recognized symbol of Islam in the world : |
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**[[Brandon University]]: [https://www.brandonu.ca/religion/labyrinth-of-peace/10-religious-symbols-in-stained-glass/#:~:text=right%20to%20live.-,Islam,the%20moon%20and%20represents%20progress.] |
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**[https://www.dictionary.com/e/emoji/star-and-crescent-emoji/ dictionary.com] |
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**[[United Religions Initiative]]: [https://www.uri.org/kids/world-religions/muslim-imagery] |
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**[https://www.google.com/search?q=symbol+of+islam&hl=en&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=ALiCzsYZNWb-MX0EJbWjKbnL39KvAWOjBA:1652043706524&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAk5-y5tD3AhWQCOwKHQpcA7wQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=360&bih=476&dpr=2 simple Google search] shows that crescent and star is almost the only symbol displayed |
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**[[Yale University]]: [https://chaplain.yale.edu/religious-literacy/islam] |
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**[https://masspeaceaction.org/event/understanding-islam-wc-feb20/ Massachusetts Peace Action] |
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*it is used by many Islamic organizations: |
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**[[Abdulla Bin Zaid Al Mahmoud Islamic Cultural Center]] |
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**[[International Red Cross and Red Crescent]], a red crescent indicates that followers of Islam are respected and treated accordingly. |
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**[[Organisation of Islamic Cooperation]] |
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**[[Islamic Relief Worldwide]] |
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**[[Muslim Charity]] |
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**[[Research Centre for Islamic History, Art and Culture]] |
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**[[International Islamic Relief Organization]] |
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**[[International Union of Muslim Scholars]] |
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**[[Statistical, Economic and Social Research and Training Centre for Islamic Countries]] |
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**[[Union of OIC News Agencies]] |
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**[[As-Sabiqun]] |
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**[[Jamaat-e-Islami]] |
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**[[UMAA]] |
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**[[Islamic Help]] |
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**[[Islamic Society of North America]] |
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**[[Islamic World Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization]] |
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**[[Qatar Charity]] |
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**[[IslamInSpanish]] |
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**[[Central Council of Muslims in Germany]] |
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**[[Central Council of Ex-Muslims]] |
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*[[All-India Muslim League]] |
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*[[Nation of Islam]] |
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**[[Al-Azhar University]] logo |
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**[https://www.iag-group.org/home/ The Islamic Advisory Group] |
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== Pre-RfC stage @ Talk:Jinn == |
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**''countless Islamic banks'': |
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*{{al|Jinn}} |
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***BankIslami Pakistan, Pakistan |
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* Users are discussing [[WP:DUE|DUE/UNDUE]] relevance and fringe-ness inputs requested also at [[Talk:Jinn#Comparative mythology]]. |
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***Bank Aceh Syariah, Indonesia |
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{{collapse top|also Pre-RfC stage info:}} |
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***Faisal Islamic Bank of Egypt |
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* Also A user has proposed updates for consideration at [[User:Louis P. Boog/sandbox/Jinn sandbox 4-20-2024|this sand box]] for the article [[Jinn]]. |
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***Bank Islam Brunei Darussalam, Brunei |
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***Bank Islam Malaysia |
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***Masraf Al Rayan, Qatar |
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As a discussion facilitator fyi a [[WP:DUE]] discussion (some aspects may touch [[WP:Fringe]]) is at [[Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC]] stage's [[WP:RSN#Hachette Livre]] and [[Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Notable scholar's own work acceptable or OR?|WP:ORN]] step. After RSN and WP:ORN step, RfC formatting is likely to be discussed at [[Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC]] in a new sub section. |
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*it is representative of [[Ramadan]] and the lunar calendar. |
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*it is the only emoji that is representative of Islam: (☪️) |
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[[User:Bookku| Bookku ]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 04:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*it is [https://www.google.com/search?q=mosque+symbol&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ALiCzsYiy4HW9sjTzdKrY5GortDDdMzv2Q%3A1652045309054&source=hp&ei=_TV4Yr4TjN-TBYrQmOAO&oq=Mosque+s&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgCMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6CggjEO8DEOoCECc6BwgjEO8DECc6BAgAEANQxg9YqR1gtShoAXAAeACAAekBiAGGCpIBBTAuNy4xmAEAoAEBsAEF&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img seen] on many many mosques' domes and minarets including iconic mosques: |
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**[[Kul Sharif Mosque|Kazan mosque]], Russia |
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**[[Mecca]] |
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**[[Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque]], Abu Dhabi, UAE |
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**[[Blue Mosque, Istanbul]], Turkey |
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**[[Moscow Cathedral Mosque]], Russia |
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**[[Sultan Salahuddin Abdul Aziz Mosque]], Malaysia |
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**[[id:Masjid Raya Hubbul Wathan]], Indonesia |
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**[[Abdulla Bin Zaid Al Mahmoud Islamic Cultural Center|Spiral Mosque]] |
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**[[Al-Zaytuna Mosque]], Tunisia |
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**[[Mosque Maryam]], US |
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== RFC on [[Rafida]] == |
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That's why I think the Star and Crescent is the most representative of Islam and I don't think that there's any Islamic sects that is against it and hence why it's the one that should be used in the template. Thank you! [[User:Super ninja2|Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:[[User:DA1]], do you have anything to add? [[User:Super ninja2|Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 07:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|User:Super ninja2}} (Shorouq★The★Super★ninja) ۞ As a native English speaker using English Language Wikipedia, I can't support the Current Calligraphic ۞ While I now have a level 1 understanding of Arabic & script when I first started out, the more Arabic an article contains the less accesible it was to me ۞ RE [[star and Crescent]] see [[Template talk:Islam/Archive 1#Crescent]] - there is an ongoing dislike of its link to the [[caliphate of the Ottomans]] ۞ How about the [[Rub el Hizb]]? ۞ [[User:Tiny Particle|Tiny Particle]] ([[User talk:Tiny Particle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC) |
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An RFC is in progress at [[Talk:Rafida#RFC_on_Rejection_of_Truth_in_Lede]]. Your participation is requested. |
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:::There has been numerous discussions about this over the years, including in: [[Template talk:Islam]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam/Archive 11]]. If there hasn't been consensus over it, then it shouldn't be arbitrarily changed. The ''change'' requires consensus. |
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[[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 05:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::But to address some of your points and to share my own: |
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:::1. ''Template:Islam'' is about Islam, not Muslim countries. So what they use on their flags is not a deciding factor. A five-sided star ''without crescent'' is used on many flags too by Muslim-majority countries (Morocco, Syria, Burkina Faso, Somalia, Guinea-Bissau, Senegal, Djibouti). I wouldn't want that to be the image either. |
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:::2. "Allah" is the only symbol that is unanimously-recognized by all Muslims across schools, sects and geography. It being used by non-Muslims doesn't negate its place or importance in Islam itself. The Crescent is also used by non-Muslims; it was used by pagan Greeks, Christian Greeks, and is currently also used by [[Wiccans]] and pagans. |
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:::3. There are many people and groups who do not consider it a symbol of Islam (or any symbol for that matter). If the "Allah" image didn't exist, then we could go with the Crescent and Star since that would be the default largest-majority, but there is already a far larger majority that accepts "Allah" as a symbol, including the former group. Countries like Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon also tend to shy away from using Crescent symbolism. |
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:::4. Many of those images you shared aren't even the same image as the one you're proposing for the infobox. Malaysia's flag has a 14-point star, Azerbaijan's has an 8-point star, Turkmenistan's has 5 separate 5-point stars, and so forth. —[[User:DA1|DA1]] ([[User talk:DA1|talk]]) 14:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::::[[User:DA1]], |
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::::1. "Template:Islam is about Islam, not Muslim countries."<br> what do you mean? Muslim countries comprise the Islamic World. Christian countries use the Cross on their flag and/or emblem to refer to their traditional religion. Your argument is insufficient. |
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::::2. "Allah is the only symbol" </br>provide your source that backs up your claim of the ''word'' "Allah" being a '''symbol''' that is agreed upon/widespread to represent Islam. It is not used by ''any'' notable Islamic organization! |
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::::3. "There are many people and groups who do not consider it a symbol of Islam (or any symbol for that matter)."</br> who? Please, specify. However, giving that these groups did not identify with any symbol, it does not indicate their disapproval of the said symbols. As long as they did not explicitly state their disapproval, this would not count as objection. |
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::::4. "Many of those images you shared aren't even the same image as the one you're proposing" </br>what's the problem? Every country added its own touch to make the flag unique, different and representative of its own characteristicsb and distinguish it from other Muslim countries' flags. There's nothing wrong with that. Malaysia, for example, used 14-point star to represent "unity between 13 member states". |
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== [[Talk:Israel]] has an [[Talk:Israel#RfC:_mention_apartheid_in_the_lead?|RfC on the topic: mention apartheid in the lead?]] == |
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::::The widespread official use of crescent by different Islamic organization and governments with different sects and beliefs worldwide indicates the tolerance and acceptance of the crescent and star as a symbol of Islam. I don't see any notable/prominent disapproval of it by major religious institutions. [[User:Super ninja2|Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 18:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::[[User:DA1]] do you have any further comments or should we consider that an approval? [[User:Super ninja2|Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 10:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:Tiny Particle]], I don't think this symbol is actually notable/recognizable enough. I personally didn't know about its existence till recently. [[User:Super ninja2|Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 19:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::::I think there is a need to find an alternative to the [[Star & crescent]] if the current .jpg is to be replaced. Notable/recognizable is just word salad to a disinterested mediator. [[User:Tiny Particle|Tiny Particle]] ([[User talk:Tiny Particle|talk]]) 11:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::I agree with you on the first point. In regards to the second point, I'm sorry, English is not my first language, that's why I don't have a large vocabulary to choose from. I was referring to Rub el-Hezb symbol being "uncommon", "not well known", "unfamiliar". I think that if we reach a consensus to replace the crescent and star, we should use [[commons:Category:Kaaba icons|Kaaba]] or [[commons:Category:Mosque icons|mosque]] icons as they are more familiar and more accessible for non-Arabic speakers. What do you think? Thank you! [[User:Super ninja2|Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 16:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::Sometimes I feel like we should simply not have any image at all in that template. Ironically, that would be symbolic of Islam's general attitude towards images. --[[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|talk]]) 05:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC) |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Talk:Israel]]''' has an RfC. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Talk:Israel#RfC:_mention_apartheid_in_the_lead?|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 15:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Islam and Controversy task force == |
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== Muhammad page == |
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Does anybody still work on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Islam and Controversy task force|Islam and Controversy task force]]? I've been making improvements over time to the task force page but I'm not sure if I should remove the non-existent links to project pages. It seems the project was partially abandoned. Pinging [[User:GregKaye|GregKaye]], it seems you're the last active member from this task force. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 22:40, 24 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:good luck with others, [[User:GregKaye|Greg]][[User talk:GregKaye|Kaye]] 20:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::[[User:GregKaye|Greg]], what? --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 18:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Hi folks. We have a bunch of false and inauthentic things added to the [[Muhammad]] page which i have been trying to address but people undo my edits. Please add to the discussion if you are educated about this topic. [[User:DivineReality|DivineReality]] ([[User talk:DivineReality|talk]]) 22:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Does the term Al-Aqsa Mosque need disambiguation? == |
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== Reliable sources noticeboard discussion == |
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[[File:Temple Mount - Al Aqsa Mosque compound, shown with various alternative names.jpg|thumb|Al Aqsa Mosque (the large compound) vs Al Aqsa Mosque (the small southern building, from where prayers are led)]][[File:Dan Hadani collection (990040387040205171).jpg|thumb|300,000 worshippers at the Al Aqsa Mosque (the large compound), facing the Al Aqsa Mosque (the small southern building, from where prayers are led)]] |
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There is a new discussion open at '''[[WP:RSN#RfC: Sources for Muhammad]]''' that may be of interest to this project. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 06:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Please comment at [[Talk:Al-Aqsa Mosque#Requested move 30 May 2022]] - we are in need of editors who have the time to review the sources. Our Al-Aqsa Mosque article is about the small building. The large compound, also known as Al-Aqsa Mosque, is our article [[Temple Mount]]. |
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== Should [[Cain]] and [[Abel]] be merged into [[Cain and Abel]]? == |
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For reference: |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) is the third holiest site in Islam |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) was the first [[qibla]] in Islam |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) gave its name to the [[Al Aqsa Intifada]], and the [[al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades]] |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) can hold [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/over-300000-muslims-attend-ramadan-overnight-prayers-at-al-aksa-mosque-497661 over 300,000 people] (note: the small building can hold only 5,000) |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) was recently in the news after clashes between Israeli soldiers and Palestinians: [https://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/israel-palestine-settler-incursions-aqsa-mosque-mee.png the location of the route is shown here] |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (building) is an important monument of early Islamic architecture |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (building) houses the Imam of the Al Aqsa Mosque |
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* Al Aqsa Mosque (building) is where the Islamic prayers are led from |
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Your view is welcome at [[Talk:Cain_and_Abel#Should_Cain_and_Abel_be_merged_into_this_article?]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]], what matters most is whether it is {{tq|highly likely — much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined — to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term}}. It is also important to assess how the term is used amongst scholarly sources - an assessment of this has been provided at the discussion, and it would be good to have it confirmed by editors who have the time to review the sources themselves. |
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Thank you. |
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[[User:Onceinawhile|Onceinawhile]] ([[User talk:Onceinawhile|talk]]) 08:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:More editor contributions here would be appreciated. Many thanks. [[User:Onceinawhile|Onceinawhile]] ([[User talk:Onceinawhile|talk]]) 11:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC) |
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== Help needed regarding islamphobic content regarding umm qirfa in banu fazara wiki page == |
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The original content features a source from a islamophic writer whose source still remains I didn’t even remove it all the additional information added is from the sealed nectar a seerah or biography regarding the prophet muhammed life and Hadith sources which are sahih and the views of Islamic scholars regarding in what happened to umm qirfa however certain users like Tolwol and mehmood have reverted this edits based on baseless allegations like whitewashing and being poorly sourced even though they can’t prove it the recent edit by mehmood gives no reason there is a lot of edit warring going on to just look at the edit history I request fresh eyes look at the case from a more neutral source on here who know the Wikipedia rules and are obliged by them here is where the Wikipedia article in question |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Fazara [[Special:Contributions/213.107.1.209|213.107.1.209]] ([[User talk:213.107.1.209|talk]]) 21:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC) |
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== Should the lead of [[Criticism of Muhammad]] include pedophilia? == |
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Until it was recently change it said he had been criticised for " and his marriage to Aisha when she was six years old, which according to most estimates was consummated when she was nine." It now reads "and pedophilia for his child marriage to Aisha when she was six years old, which according to most Islamic sources was consummated when Aisha was nine." [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 13:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Empire of the Sultans still seeking reviewers
Since I posted the above notice about the Featured Article Candidacy of Empire of the Sultans, there has been more interest and the review process has progressed further, which I'm very grateful for. We still need more reviewers to take part, following the instructions at Wikipedia:FACSUPPORTOPPOSE. A great deal of work has gone into both the article and the review; this is a chance to make a community decision on the results. Thanks in advance for any help! MartinPoulter (talk) 13:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Help needed at Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz, re addition of Persian name and concerns of circular sourcing
Your input would be appreciated at Talk:Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz#Sources for the name Piruz Nahavandi. Summaries of the dispute and discussion thread may be found here. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Grand Mosque of Erzurum#Requested move 4 May 2024
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Grand Mosque of Erzurum#Requested move 4 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Pre-RfC stage @ Talk:Jinn
- Jinn (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
- Users are discussing DUE/UNDUE relevance and fringe-ness inputs requested also at Talk:Jinn#Comparative mythology.
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As a discussion facilitator fyi a WP:DUE discussion (some aspects may touch WP:Fringe) is at Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC stage's WP:RSN#Hachette Livre and WP:ORN step. After RSN and WP:ORN step, RfC formatting is likely to be discussed at Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC in a new sub section. |
Bookku (talk) 04:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
RFC on Rafida
An RFC is in progress at Talk:Rafida#RFC_on_Rejection_of_Truth_in_Lede. Your participation is requested. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Talk:Israel has an RfC. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. M.Bitton (talk) 15:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Muhammad page
Hi folks. We have a bunch of false and inauthentic things added to the Muhammad page which i have been trying to address but people undo my edits. Please add to the discussion if you are educated about this topic. DivineReality (talk) 22:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Reliable sources noticeboard discussion
There is a new discussion open at WP:RSN#RfC: Sources for Muhammad that may be of interest to this project. Left guide (talk) 06:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Should Cain and Abel be merged into Cain and Abel?
Your view is welcome at Talk:Cain_and_Abel#Should_Cain_and_Abel_be_merged_into_this_article?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)