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Could I get some feedback on [[Unity in diversity]]? Sometime back in April 2017 the page was significantly altered to state that "Unity in diversity" was merely a political motto, but I feel like there's a good case for it being more of an overarching philosophical concept—even if the phrase itself is sometimes used as a slogan. The Lalonde ref on that page mentions that the concept was current in Taoist societies as well as in Ancient Greece, but all I've been able to find so far was its treatment by [[Ibn Arabi|Ibn al-Arabi]] and his followers. Would anyone else have any leads on good sources to expand this article? '''[[User:Dragfyre|dragfyre]]'''_<span style="font-size:70%">[[User_talk:Dragfyre|ʞןɐʇ]]</span><span style="font-size:70%;vertical-align:top">[[Special:Contributions/Dragfyre|c]]</span> 15:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Need to find a free image of [[Rudolf Carnap]]. Where is [https://blogs.illinois.edu/view/8885/2063680752 this one] from? [[User:MisterCake|<span style="color: #000000;">'''Cake'''</span>]] ([[User talk:MisterCake#top|talk]]) 17:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I just put together a biography of this German-born Hegelian, who seems like he was important in the early history of Hegel in America and of the "St. Louis Movement". If anyone wants to look it over and maybe find something better to say about his impact, that would be great. Anyways, there is at least something on him now. [[User:Brianyoumans|Brianyoumans]] ([[User talk:Brianyoumans|talk]]) 19:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC) |
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:If [https://phaidra.univie.ac.at/detail/o:1526295 here] is to be believed, it is under copyright :( [[User:Shapeyness|Shapeyness]] ([[User talk:Shapeyness|talk]]) 12:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Hey, at least it's only until 2026 for some of them... [[User:Psychastes|Psychastes]] ([[User talk:Psychastes|talk]]) 20:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|Psychastes}} how did you figure out 2026? [[User:Shapeyness|Shapeyness]] ([[User talk:Shapeyness|talk]]) 09:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Not necessarily that specific picture (though I suspect it's one of the earlier ones), but the pictures in that archive are dated "1932,1930,1935" so some of them (and yes, I suppose we'd have to do additional research to figure out which ones...) will enter the public domain in the US in 2026, or 95 years after creation. [[User:Psychastes|Psychastes]] ([[User talk:Psychastes|talk]]) 17:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Well shoot. Nice try and nice find though. [[User:MisterCake|<span style="color: #000000;">'''Cake'''</span>]] ([[User talk:MisterCake#top|talk]]) 11:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::@[[User:MisterCake|MisterCake]], [[User:Psychastes|Psychastes]]: I happened to be looking in the same place again and there is [https://valep.vc.univie.ac.at/virtualarchive/public/ASP_Archive%3ECarnap_Collection%3EBox_23%3EFolder_01__Carnap_various_pictures_with_Ina_Elisabeth_Willy_Hochkeppel_one_by_Lutman_1922-1965%3EDSC_3166/a:559407 this one]. I believe the back of the photo is [https://valep.vc.univie.ac.at/virtualarchive/public/ASP_Archive%3ECarnap_Collection%3EBox_23%3EFolder_01__Carnap_various_pictures_with_Ina_Elisabeth_Willy_Hochkeppel_one_by_Lutman_1922-1965%3EDSC_3167/a:559405 shown here] dated 1922, not sure how to fully verify that though. [[User:Shapeyness|Shapeyness]] ([[User talk:Shapeyness|talk]]) 20:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::It does appear that way. He looks a bit like [[Randall Rauser]] there. If you are at all seasoned with Austrian sources I'd love to know one other than Dummett's for Austria and [[Analytic philosophy]]. Seeing [[Frank P. Ramsey|Ramsey]] there too is nice. [[User:MisterCake|<span style="color: #000000;">'''Cake'''</span>]] ([[User talk:MisterCake#top|talk]]) 02:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::Sorry, not at all seasoned with Austrian realism sadly. [[User:Shapeyness|Shapeyness]] ([[User talk:Shapeyness|talk]]) 17:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Request for input on political philosophy topic: Splitting 'separation of powers' == |
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Hello. I have a dispute with Διοτιμα at the article [[Critique of Pure Reason]]. I have attempted to engage with this user and discuss the dispute at the article's talk page. He has, however, ignored me. I would welcome any comments on the issue, whatever they are, from editors interested in philosophy. [[User:FreeKnowledgeCreator|FreeKnowledgeCreator]] ([[User talk:FreeKnowledgeCreator|talk]]) 20:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC) |
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:This user has also tampered with [[Fundamental ontology]]. Their latest additions seem to be a personal interpretation of ''[[Being and Time]]''. --[[User:Omnipaedista|Omnipaedista]] ([[User talk:Omnipaedista|talk]]) 00:44, 20 February 2018 (UTC) |
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::Hello, [[User:Omnipaedista|Omnipaedista]]. I would appreciate it if you could comment about the dispute on the talk page of the article [[Critique of Pure Reason]]. There is a similar dispute at [[Introduction to Metaphysics (Heidegger)]] that you might also want to comment on. To be completely explicit about it, I am not asking you or other editors to agree with me. I welcome your comments whatever they are. [[User:FreeKnowledgeCreator|FreeKnowledgeCreator]] ([[User talk:FreeKnowledgeCreator|talk]]) 20:49, 25 February 2018 (UTC) |
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Your input would be much appreciated at [[Talk:Separation of powers#Splitting off 'branches of government': The solution to finally advancing past 'start class'?]], particularly if you think of yourself as a member of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy/Social and political|social and political philosophy task force]]. |
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[[Index of philosophy articles (I–Q)]] contains a link to the DAB page [[Pien]] which has me baffled. Can any expert here help solve the problem? [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 15:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC) |
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[[Separation of powers]] is a central concept in normative and descriptive political theory, and a widely-known concept among the general public, generally through participation in high school [[civics]]. As such, its perennial status as a [[Wikipedia:start class|start class]] article is a real shame.<br> |
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: Pien refers to the concept of gradual transformation in Confucian or Taoist philosophy; see for instance [[Bianhua#Later_usages]]. --[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]] ([[User talk:Mark viking|talk]]) 18:44, 27 February 2018 (UTC) |
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I put its disorganization, lack of concision, and many POV problems mostly down to editors' confusion about what the article should focus on. This confusion is, of course, common to many [[Wikipedia:broad-concept|broad-concept]] and academically challenging articles.<br> |
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:: {{ping|Mark viking}} In that case, can you repair that bad link, and perhaps also update the DAB page? I don't feel competent to do so. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 22:07, 27 February 2018 (UTC) |
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In my opinion, separation of powers is best described as a (multi-faceted) normative proposal about how to organize political power in political philosophy discourse and in constitution-making; and the application side of this principle is primarily a matter of [[constitutional theory]] and law.<br> |
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::: {{checkmark}} Done. --[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]] ([[User talk:Mark viking|talk]]) 23:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC) |
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Yet, in the article, there is an enormous amount of (unsystematic) content pertaining to individual countries' branches of government (belonging, I think, to the academic discipline of descriptive political science; [[comparative government]], specifically). I have just proposed that these sections be split off into an article called 'branches of government' (or similar). |
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:::: TY! There may be more links like that which need expert attention, but I haven't started to collect them yet. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 21:36, 3 March 2018 (UTC) |
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If you would like to see a rigorous approach to political philosophy concepts like 'separation of powers', I am convinced that adopting my proposal is the crucial first step. But I wish to hear your perspectives; my perspective may be too close, or I may not be considering all the options. |
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I thank you for your help. §§ [[User:LegesFundamentales|LegFun]] §§ [[User_talk:LegesFundamentales|talk]] §§ 20:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Please see [[Talk:Faith healing#RfC about inserting content and category about pseudoscience]]. There seems to be some confusion about whether all empirically verifiable facts are (properly speaking) "science". [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 23:33, 4 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Is [[:Category:Physical paradoxes]] correctly classified as being "within the scope of '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy|WikiProject Philosophy]]'''"? The [[Talk:Physical paradox|talk page]] of the article [[Physical paradox]] gives it as of interest to solely [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics|WikiProject Physics]]. --[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 06:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello, I am trying to improve the article [[Fallacy]], and as the first step I have [[Special:Diff/829258899|restructured]] it (shuffled sections and paragraphs around). I would like to ask for some feedback on its [[Talk:Fallacy|talk page]] to see if I am going the right way. Thanks :) <span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Petr Matas|Petr Matas]]</span> 15:49, 7 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:I just took a look, and your order of sections appears to be the ideal one. You may wish to find a source for the "overview" section you created, as it's a part of the article, not the lede, and thus can be removed if not sourced. The claims in it look okay to me, so I won't remove them, but I'm going to re-write it a bit because the language is not ideal (the first person POV is a bit jarring for an encyclopedia article). <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 16:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::Actually, I'm going to add some sources to it myself as I edit it (am currently doing so, so please don't edit conflict me). They're fairly easy to find. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 16:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== Page [[Philosophy of geography]] needs some attention. == |
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== Socrates == |
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The page [[Philosophy of geography]] is tremendously lacking. I'm a geographer and mostly work in geography related projects, but I thought it could be worthwhile to post here as well. Currently, the page only goes back to the 1930s, and is mostly focused on Western/English/American traditions. I'm digging into the literature a bit to work on this, but it's a bit daunting with how much work I think it needs. Anyone with broad background in philosophy of science would be a welcome contributor! [[User:GeogSage|<span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC; color:grey">GeogSage</span>]] <sup> ([[User talk:GeogSage|<span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC; color:grey">⚔Chat?⚔</span>]]) </sup> 20:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi, I'm looking for advice on whether (and how much) to roll back an extended period of block evasion edits at [[Socrates]]. Please see [[Talk:Socrates#Looking for a clean version of this article]] if you have any input. Thanks, [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 19:14, 14 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Need to find a free image of Rudolf Carnap. Where is this one from? Cake (talk) 17:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- If here is to be believed, it is under copyright :( Shapeyness (talk) 12:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, at least it's only until 2026 for some of them... Psychastes (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Psychastes: how did you figure out 2026? Shapeyness (talk) 09:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily that specific picture (though I suspect it's one of the earlier ones), but the pictures in that archive are dated "1932,1930,1935" so some of them (and yes, I suppose we'd have to do additional research to figure out which ones...) will enter the public domain in the US in 2026, or 95 years after creation. Psychastes (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well shoot. Nice try and nice find though. Cake (talk) 11:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- @MisterCake, Psychastes: I happened to be looking in the same place again and there is this one. I believe the back of the photo is shown here dated 1922, not sure how to fully verify that though. Shapeyness (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- It does appear that way. He looks a bit like Randall Rauser there. If you are at all seasoned with Austrian sources I'd love to know one other than Dummett's for Austria and Analytic philosophy. Seeing Ramsey there too is nice. Cake (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, not at all seasoned with Austrian realism sadly. Shapeyness (talk) 17:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- It does appear that way. He looks a bit like Randall Rauser there. If you are at all seasoned with Austrian sources I'd love to know one other than Dummett's for Austria and Analytic philosophy. Seeing Ramsey there too is nice. Cake (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @MisterCake, Psychastes: I happened to be looking in the same place again and there is this one. I believe the back of the photo is shown here dated 1922, not sure how to fully verify that though. Shapeyness (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well shoot. Nice try and nice find though. Cake (talk) 11:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily that specific picture (though I suspect it's one of the earlier ones), but the pictures in that archive are dated "1932,1930,1935" so some of them (and yes, I suppose we'd have to do additional research to figure out which ones...) will enter the public domain in the US in 2026, or 95 years after creation. Psychastes (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Psychastes: how did you figure out 2026? Shapeyness (talk) 09:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, at least it's only until 2026 for some of them... Psychastes (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Request for input on political philosophy topic: Splitting 'separation of powers'
Dear friends—
Your input would be much appreciated at Talk:Separation of powers#Splitting off 'branches of government': The solution to finally advancing past 'start class'?, particularly if you think of yourself as a member of the social and political philosophy task force.
Separation of powers is a central concept in normative and descriptive political theory, and a widely-known concept among the general public, generally through participation in high school civics. As such, its perennial status as a start class article is a real shame.
I put its disorganization, lack of concision, and many POV problems mostly down to editors' confusion about what the article should focus on. This confusion is, of course, common to many broad-concept and academically challenging articles.
In my opinion, separation of powers is best described as a (multi-faceted) normative proposal about how to organize political power in political philosophy discourse and in constitution-making; and the application side of this principle is primarily a matter of constitutional theory and law.
Yet, in the article, there is an enormous amount of (unsystematic) content pertaining to individual countries' branches of government (belonging, I think, to the academic discipline of descriptive political science; comparative government, specifically). I have just proposed that these sections be split off into an article called 'branches of government' (or similar).
If you would like to see a rigorous approach to political philosophy concepts like 'separation of powers', I am convinced that adopting my proposal is the crucial first step. But I wish to hear your perspectives; my perspective may be too close, or I may not be considering all the options.
I thank you for your help. §§ LegFun §§ talk §§ 20:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Physical paradoxes
Is Category:Physical paradoxes correctly classified as being "within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy"? The talk page of the article Physical paradox gives it as of interest to solely WikiProject Physics. --Lambiam 06:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Page Philosophy of geography needs some attention.
The page Philosophy of geography is tremendously lacking. I'm a geographer and mostly work in geography related projects, but I thought it could be worthwhile to post here as well. Currently, the page only goes back to the 1930s, and is mostly focused on Western/English/American traditions. I'm digging into the literature a bit to work on this, but it's a bit daunting with how much work I think it needs. Anyone with broad background in philosophy of science would be a welcome contributor! GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)