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I've just started filling in the Great Britain squad for the 2019 tour and I have a question about points and caps. Should they be recorded as the caps and points achieved at the start of the tour or at the end? I lean towards at the start but wanted to check with others [[User:Rtande|Rtande]] ([[User talk:Rtande|talk]]) 06:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
I've just started filling in the Great Britain squad for the 2019 tour and I have a question about points and caps. Should they be recorded as the caps and points achieved at the start of the tour or at the end? I lean towards at the start but wanted to check with others [[User:Rtande|Rtande]] ([[User talk:Rtande|talk]]) 06:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:I would also lean towards the start. It makes more sense. Far be it for me to suggest the greatest game of all taking cues from soccer, but that it also how the soccer people do it. In [[2018 FIFA World Cup squads]] there is the statement that: "The numbers of caps and goals listed for each player do not include any matches played after the start of tournament." --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 07:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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Spliting discussion for 2021 Rugby League World Cup
An article that you have been involved with ( 2021 Rugby League World Cup ) has content that is proposed to be removed and move to another article ( Legacy of the 2021 Rugby League World Cup ). If you are interested, please visit the discussion at talk:2021 Rugby League World Cup#Split proposal. Thank you. Nthep (talk) 14:28, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Now split. Nthep (talk) 20:30, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
The Cap Numbers of this article appear to out-of-sync with thessralmanac.com list...
Hi @Hugh 3476: and @Jevansen:; the Cap Numbers of this article (List of South Sydney Rabbitohs players) appear to out-of-sync with thessralmanac.com list (List of South Sydney Rabbitohs Premiership First Grade Players), e.g. Paul O'Brien is 613 in the artcile, but 628 ssralmanac.com list. Your thoughts? Best regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 15:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hey Dynamo, thanks for your interest. This is part of a bigger issue as I'll explain.
- I agree they should match (and they did when I originally compiled the list directly from that website). Hugh then completely changed the number/order of players when he added stats to the list. I am unsure what source was used and this is the case for many of the NRL lists, where the cap numbers added by Hugh seem arbitrary. I've found missing players from the 50s etc (even of 100 gamers) who get added to such lists, which obviously then changes the cap numbers, so I have little faith in their authenticity.
- He would be the best one to respond to your question, although from my experience it is hard to get an answer out of him. I have my suspicions as well over the IPs that keep reverting your messages and there is an ongoing SPI regarding this.
- I'd recommend we remove cap numbers from all lists which aren't clearly sourced. In the case of the Rabbitohs, I'd be in favour of the list being edited to match ssralmanac.
- Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 11:11, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Jevansen, I was beginning to question my sanity, I thought I was becoming a victim of "Gaslighting". Best regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:32, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Nines
Is there a policy for how Nines should be recorded? For example, should there be separate sections on team pages for the Nines team which records the players that have played and their appearances, points scored etc?
This was brought to mind while I was editing Laura_Mariu's article and looking to find sources for the number of appearances she's made for the Kiwi Ferns. She's made appearances for both the full side and the nines side and it would be good to be able to record them separately and acknowledge nines more, especially with the nines world cup on the horizon.
Thoughts? Rtande (talk) 02:08, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- It would need a bit of work to {{Infobox rugby league biography}} but should be possible. With the World 9s starting soon and probably more competitions in the future, I think it's something we need to do. Nthep (talk) 09:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Not really be all that much work, {{Infobox rugby league biography/PLAYER}} is set up to handle the inputs so we just have to add a new
|dataX=
value to the main template. Primefac (talk) 10:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Not really be all that much work, {{Infobox rugby league biography/PLAYER}} is set up to handle the inputs so we just have to add a new
@Primefac: it needs a new section (to insert at the end of {{Infobox rugby league biography/PLAYER}}?) to add section of "Representative 9s" with parameters
ninesAstart
- ninesAend
- ninesteamA
- ninesappearancesA
- ninestriesA
- ninesgoalsA
- ninesfieldgoalsA
- ninespointsA
I don't think it would need more than a few sets e.g. A-E or if it does we worry about that later. There is another factor; the World 9s, for example, a try can be worth 4 or 5 (bonus tries) points depending on where it is scored. I don't know if this is going to become common in 9s tournaments but we might want to add in another parameter ninesbonustriesA
to accommodate this? Nthep (talk) 16:13, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- No. PLAYER is for any code, RL or RU. In the main template, you'd have a call to {{Infobox rugby league biography/PLAYER}} with (for example)
|club1={{{ninesTeamA|}}}
or|points1={{{ninespointsA|}}}
. I don't know how to deal with the points differences but I'll be honest the template is already huge and I don't know if adding in another column is going to help. Primefac (talk) 19:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)- 9s is a separate but related game so it's not as simple as adding 9s as more clubs. The template needs the ability to carry a separate section on 9s like it can already do for players with history in both RU & RL. That said I agree the template is already getting too large and there needs to be discussion between editors of both codes on devising a modular infobox that suits both codes and their derivatives (RU7s and RL9s). Nthep (talk) 19:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, a few things to comment on.
- First, I got swapped around for the templates; {{infobox rugby biography}} contains parameters for Rugby sevens but {{infobox rugby league biography}} does not.
- Second, yes we could very easily add params as you suggest above, much like we did for Australian Rules (see
|header23=
and|data27=
). - Third, I've been trying to either "split" League and Union infoboxes into their own individual IBs (or alternatively, merge them together into one Rugby infobox) for about four years and I have always come up against heavy opposition from the League WikiProject. I've got a major overhaul in the works in an attempt to prove that it's possible, but it's a little low on my priority list given how many other pies I generally have my fingers in. Primefac (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- 9s is a separate but related game so it's not as simple as adding 9s as more clubs. The template needs the ability to carry a separate section on 9s like it can already do for players with history in both RU & RL. That said I agree the template is already getting too large and there needs to be discussion between editors of both codes on devising a modular infobox that suits both codes and their derivatives (RU7s and RL9s). Nthep (talk) 19:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Nomination of Portal:Rugby league for deletion
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This RL player, apparently better known as Steve, seems to have been mixed up with Justin Collins (rugby union) (also known as Gus). If anyone has reliable biographical info sources, please help out. It seems unlikely that they share a birth date, but both are given the same in various sources, eg union club site and league club site. The article probably needs to be moved to Steve Collins (rugby league) eventually but should not be moved while an AfD is open.
I'm not interested in RL (or sport of any kind really) but came across the other Justin while stub-sorting and fell down this rabbit hole. PamD 07:28, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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Question about Squads
I've just started filling in the Great Britain squad for the 2019 tour and I have a question about points and caps. Should they be recorded as the caps and points achieved at the start of the tour or at the end? I lean towards at the start but wanted to check with others Rtande (talk) 06:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- I would also lean towards the start. It makes more sense. Far be it for me to suggest the greatest game of all taking cues from soccer, but that it also how the soccer people do it. In 2018 FIFA World Cup squads there is the statement that: "The numbers of caps and goals listed for each player do not include any matches played after the start of tournament." --Mkativerata (talk) 07:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)