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August 21
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RD: Nell McCafferty
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): The Irish Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C49:608C:B2F6:5005 (talk · )
- Updated by INgIEroC (talk · )
Article updated
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Irish journalist and feminist campainger. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C49:608C:B2F6:5005 (talk) 13:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
2024 Yemen floods
Blurb: Floods in western Yemen results in the killing of at least 61 people and the displacement of 6,042 families ()
News source(s): Anadolu Agency
Credits:
- Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · )
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · )
Abo Yemen✉ 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The floods are a notable event, and the article is thorough enough for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Atsuko Tanaka
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Official Statement by Hikaru Tanaka on Twitter
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- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · )
Article updated
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Japanese voice actress. Tofusaurus (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if you take out the tables with her roles, there is very little article left. JA-wiki seems to have more thorough information about her life that could be translated and used.Jaguarnik (talk) 17:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I’ve tagged the article as a stub. Schwede66 07:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sam Landsberger
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · )
- Created by Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk · )
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · )
Article needs updating
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Happily888 (talk) 12:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is barely a stub. Natg 19 (talk) 16:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Tragic, but there is almost no prose to the article. I can count the sentences in it on my fingers. Not good nor lengthy enough for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Maria Branyas
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): CBS News, El País
Credits:
Article updated
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American-born Spanish supercentenarian. 240F:7A:6253:1:900E:954A:2704:19B9 (talk) 11:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Oldest Living Person, RIP MyriadSims (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Oldest person alive dies is notable. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is good and sourced, has been since previous title holder died. And we did list her in RD. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support A good article with biography and archive photos. Trepang2 (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support page meets requirements. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 21:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Memory eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post posting support RIP, article quality appears fine. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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(Closed) Superyacht sinks
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The superyacht Bayesian is sunk in a storm and the missing passengers include tycoon Mike Lynch ()
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · )
- Created by Stephan Schulz (talk · )
Article updated
- Comment The article (Bayesian (yacht)) should probably be Sinking of the Bayesian as the yacht itself isn't notable, only the event. The article is, regardless, currently a stub. Black Kite (talk) 20:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. One dead + several missing does not rise to the level of an ITN blurb. Additionally, article quality is nowhere near adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as comparatively trivial. An RD nom for Lynch may be in order soon, though. The Kip (contribs) 21:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Just a human interest story that's a tad more notable because it involves someone of note. But fatal vehicle incidents are fairly routine. The target article probably shouldn't even have been created. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)'
- Soft oppose but note that this would be an appropriate form of RD blurb - the death as an event is notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, Support RD per Orbitalbuzzsaw. FlipandFlopped ツ 13:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, Oppose RD as Lynch has not been confirmed to be dead. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all the things Tragic accident, notable person is probably dead, and if confirmed, RD makes sense. However, his impact on this world and untimely death do not rise to level of ITN blurb. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD if death confirmed. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Phil Donahue
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): ABC News (USA)
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American talk show personality. Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don't see any citation-needed or other issues that would prevent this from being listed pbp 15:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a couple of cn tags, The Phil Donahue Show section does not have a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 15:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose due to citation needed tags. Suonii180 (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, Donahue reinvented the talk show format and brought the concept up a level or two. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Ruth Johnson Colvin
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Associated Press, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:F408:FA10:89EF:D1C4 (talk · )
- Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · ), Jkaharper (talk · ) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · )
Article updated
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American philanthropist and founder of ProLiteracy. 240F:7A:6253:1:F408:FA10:89EF:D1C4 (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Tour de France Femmes
Blurb: In cycling, Katarzyna Niewiadoma wins the Tour de France Femmes. ()
News source(s): Guardian BBC Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by Turini2 (talk · )
- Updated by Waluigithewalrus (talk · ), WL Pro for life (talk · ), PNwood213 (talk · ), Martijnvdam97 (talk · ) and Kaduuuuuu (talk · )
Article updated
- Support Article is in a very good shape, looks like ready to posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 15:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per PrinceofPunjab. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Lead could use a bit of expansion, but otherwise, it looks good. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Working on it - just finishing the race summary first. Turini2 (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- done! Turini2 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Working on it - just finishing the race summary first. Turini2 (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Has been up over 24 hours with only supports. Article appears to be of good quality. Black Kite (talk) 17:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment Since every edition of the Tour de France Femmes has been posted, it may be a good idea to make this an ITNR event. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Franciszek Smuda
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): SF-WP (in Polish)
Credits:
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Nominator's comments: Big name in Polish football, internationally best known as the Poland national manager when hosting Euro 2012. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose mutiple cn tags and Honours section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
RD/blurb: Alain Delon
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: French actor Alain Delon (pictured) dies at the age of 88 ()
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · )
Article updated
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I'm personally inclined for a blurb here. Name a French actor and he would be there. Brandmeistertalk 07:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb; not a serving head of state or government, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- These are not the only criteria, we blurbed Tina Turner, Pele, Milan Kundera, Sydney Poitier, Betty White and others. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are not the criteria, and never have been. You are actively misleading other users by continuing to claim that they are. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, legendary actor with storied career and varied international work, recipient of major awards like His name was long associated with standard, he defined what was a handsome male. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb—To the best of my recollection, I haven't heard of Alain Delon before. However, I am sufficiently convinced of his status as a culturally significant figure in the history of cinema. His article is comprehensive, well-sourced, and illustrates just how iconic he was in a career that spanned several decades. Kurtis (talk) 08:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revisiting my support, I don't think I gave the article a thorough enough review. I don't think it's too far off from being of high enough quality to be featured on the main page. All it needs is a few more citations in the paragraphs where they're lacking. Kurtis (talk) 01:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Seems to be significant figure, but I doubt he's as noteworthy today to warrant a blurb. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is one of rare cases where the article showed influence abd transformative criteria even before death of the person. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Notability is not temporary. This is frankly an absurd objection. Most celebrities die decades after their prime. Many young people will not even remember them. So what? Fame and influence remain. FWIW, he's well-known in Germany, too, probably in all of Europe and beyond, not only among cineasts. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 08:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Picture A famous face for which we have a good selection of free images. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- But we don't post picture RDs. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not a fan of the idea of picture RDs, but you're begging the question. "This is how we've always done it" is an argument for when there's no other argument. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nice reference to my username, thank you:) BilboBeggins (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not a fan of the idea of picture RDs, but you're begging the question. "This is how we've always done it" is an argument for when there's no other argument. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- But we don't post picture RDs. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, neutral on blurb. Definitely one of the most famous French actors in history, but just doesn't rise to the Thatcher/Mandela standards we should keep blurbs to. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality but otherwise Support blurb. This is an example of what we should be looking for to demonstrate a major figure - a very in-depth legacy section (all sourced) that makes it clear to the reader why he was considered as such. No question on thus meriting a blurb. However, there are paragraphs in both the earlier career and sections and in the personal life section (including some of the legal aspects) that are unsourced, and must be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 12:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb, oppose RD on quality While certainly a renowned French artist but in my opinion he does not have enough caliber to have a blurb. RD cannot be posted right now because some section including Honours one needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- How does he have not enough caliber to ha e a blurb if there is transformative and influence section?
- Why was Billy Mays posted? BilboBeggins (talk) 19:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @BilboBeggins, First of all, I think you meant Willie Mays. FYI, I actually opposed his nomination. I believe that most of the things mention in the influence section are just comments made by some famous persons in some interviews and majority of things in that section are trivial and the whole section seems to be blown a little out of proportions. I am actually very much against the blurb death of a non head of state, Unless they die in a unnatural way. And before you bring out Betty White or Tony Bennett like in other comments made by you, I wasn't active in the ITN section at that time otherwise I would have opposed those too. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 08:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb: Despite being way too young to remember him properly, I should note he's one of the few actors we consider as vital, next to the likes of Sydney Poitier and Betty White (who did received the "blurb treatment", as well). Plus, he's been widely regarded as one of the main cinema icons of the last century, so the notability is definitely there. It's true, though, that the article still needs a bit of work before we can proceed, and I don't know if I'll be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb (if quality is fixed) One of the last giants of world cinema. Tradediatalk 15:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb: I wouldn't normally support a blurb for an actor but the Sydney Poitier and Betty White precedents argue in its favour. He was arguably among the three best known french actors abroad along with Catherine Deneuve and Gérard Depardieu and had a major following in Japan. The original sin was in accepting blurbs for actors in the first place Varoon2542 (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradediatalk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I won't be disagreeing with that Varoon2542 (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradediatalk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Important, but not enough for a blurb. Scheridon (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Could you please elaborate on that? I would very much like to hear you rationale for oppose because I really didn't see any rule-based rationales from other oppose voters, its mostly about opinions. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's how RD blurbs work, it's generally based on opinion. WP:ITNRDBLURB and all. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Could you please elaborate on that? I would very much like to hear you rationale for oppose because I really didn't see any rule-based rationales from other oppose voters, its mostly about opinions. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb when quality is improved. He is certainly one of the most influential and renowned French icons of the past century. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 17:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I won’t express my opinion on this nomination, but after seeing how extensive is the influence and legacy section, all oppose votes should be disregarded as they obviously come from people who either don’t like a blurb to be posted or lack basic understanding about how Wikipedia works.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kiril Simeonovski I respect your point of view, but I think it is essential to understand that those who disagree do not always mean they are ignorant of rules of Wikipedia. The fact that someone is opposed to a nomination does not necessarily imply that they are against putting a blurb or lack basic knowledge on Wikipedia’s process. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 08:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nobody here is opposed to a blurb because they don't like it, where are you getting this idea from? Saying "all oppose vote should be disregarded" shows your blatant bias against other editors who oppose in good faith. Tofusaurus (talk) 10:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. The man is notable, the actual event of his death is not. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- The deaths of sufficiently notable people are notable, and that's why we have both RD and (occasionally) death blurbs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, neutral on blurb there really needs to be more clear-cut/explicit criteria for what is appropriate to be blurbed, which is why I am staying neutral on the blurb. As far as I've seen, nobody has a good argument for why Willie Mays or Tony Bennett or Betty White's deaths were appropriate to be blurbed but Delon's death isn't, when the circumstances are more or less the same (old celebrity dies of poor health). Article quality is fine, except for the family section - one more statement needs to be cited, and the quality of the other sources is poor. For instance, geneanet is user-aggregated and thus shouldn't be used as a source of info. (To be honest I would just remove the family section entirely.) When those issues are fixed, it will be good to post as RD. Jaguarnik (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- My argument is as it has always been that none of your examples deserved a blurb - if we're blurbing the death, the death (NOT the person) has to be notable as an event in itself - hence the serving political leader criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is not what rules say. There has been nothing notable about deaths of Tony Bennet, Queen Elisabeth, Pele or Pope Benedict XVI. They were all blurbed though. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- There needs to be a request for comment about this topic, because at this point it doesn't seem that there's a rationale for blurbing someone's death other than "We blurbed x so why not y". A consensus would be good. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is not what rules say. There has been nothing notable about deaths of Tony Bennet, Queen Elisabeth, Pele or Pope Benedict XVI. They were all blurbed though. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- My argument is as it has always been that none of your examples deserved a blurb - if we're blurbing the death, the death (NOT the person) has to be notable as an event in itself - hence the serving political leader criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- More than 15 paragraphs that lack a single reference, and lots of other unreferenced material. Stephen 22:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Neutral on a blurb if we can get the article up to scratch. He was one of the top actors in France, but the community has turned down giants in the field. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bibliography comment Alain Delon § Bibliography is not the usual list of works by the subject. It's an extensive listing about the subject. Disucssion at Talk:Alain Delon § Bibliography. Missing ISBNs too.—Bagumba (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment WILL EVERYONE STOP ATTACKING EACH OTHER PLEASE!! Thank you, anyways here’s a solution for now: put him in the RD we debate a little more for blurb. relax and stop attacking each other agressively Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Very influential actor, I have not heard about him before but he seems to be a very important figure in films. Still some problems needing to be fixed but once they’re fixed I reckon we blurb him. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose blurb Articles and discussions like this sometimes make me feel like I just intersected with a parallel universe or another planet. How could I, considering myself to be a reasonably well-informed individual, have missed being aware of someone who is apparently so prominent? It's nice to have Wikipedia to remind me that there is a world outside of my own country (the United States), and sometimes a global culture is not so global. We may be entirely ignorant of many of each others' celebrities, for example. Although my experience may not be representative of that of others, with one or two exceptions, I was not aware of Delon nor his films.
I believe global notability, at least within the English-speaking world, ought to be a prerequisite for inclusion as a blurb in the English language Wikipedia. Since that threshold is arbitrary, however, this forum provides a good test for determining global notability. I have no issue with entertainers being included if they are determined to have sufficient notability. As one test, one could compare him with others born in the same year. Among Delon's peers who were born in 1935, I believe Elvis Presley, Luciano Pavorotti, Julie Andrews and Woody Allen are some of the most notable entertainers who would reach that threshold. Despite some impressive achievements in French cinema, I don't believe Alain Delon passes the threshold of global notability in the English-speaking world for inclusion as a blurb.Ryan Reeder (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- No. This is Wikipedia in English, not Wikipedia about people who speak English. There is not, and never should be, any requirement that our subjects be especially famous in the English-speaking world rather than any other language sphere. Your own admitted ignorance of French cinema is a sign that you are being parochial, not that Alain Delon was not famous. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is why notability is pretty relative and depends on cultural context, and why one person's judgement isn't enough to establish global notability. As a French person myself, I see Alain Delon as a defining figure of French cinema and assumed he would be much more well-known internationally than he might actually be. On the other hand, I haven't heard as much about the achievements of Pavorotti or Andrews, and would have underestimated their notability compared to Delon's. This kind of notability depends a lot on the cultural sphere one lives in, which means hearing from editors with various perspectives is great to see whether someone is truly globally notable.
Like Genevieve said, I don't think notability within the English-speaking world should be a prerequisite rather than global notability, but either way, it seems like Delon might just not be reaching that threshold. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- First, he passes threshold of global notability.
- Second, we don't require English a person to be famous in English speaking world in order to qualify for a blurb, this not in the rules.
- Third, Delon has 120 Wikipedia articles in different languages, Pavarotti has 95 articles, Julie Andrews has 84 articles, Woody Allen has 109 articles. He surpasses them on the metric of number of articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BilboBeggins (talk • contribs) 12:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality for now. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb democracy manifest guy had considerably more press vs this dude, and he didn't even get a RD mention. Also, orange tagged, so oppose RD until the typical prominent actor dies citing concerns are fixed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apples and oranges. Some ordinary dude who came under spotlight after being arrested by Australian police vs an actor with a 70-year film career, culminated in multiple domestic and foreign awards. C'mon... Brandmeistertalk 16:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- And Democracy Manifest also missed out on getting an RD(, a succulent Wikipedia RD!) based on the consensus of the community alas. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Democracy manifest guy was more recent hence more press. If Delon was in his peak today he would have plenty of press coverage. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, several parts of the article have sourcing issues. Suonii180 (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality grounds, currently still has a big tag on the top. No comment in relation to blurb or RD but leaning against blurbing if it gets sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb if every celebrity with an "influence" and "recognition by peers" section in their article is inherently notable enough to merit a blurb, then we should be auto-blurbing basically every major dead actor or singer. Instead, we gauge notability by coverage in the press and while there is some coverage, it does not rise beyond the standard level of obituary coverage expected of a celebrity. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't it what exactly took place with Sydney Poitier and Betty White ?
- How is Betty White notable ? Noone actually knows her outside of the US
- For years, notability has been determined on one criteria, "who Wikipedia editors know" and that usually depends on geography and age
- I'm sure older Americans have heard of him
- We are pretending to be impartial when we've never been
- If Alain Delon, doesn't even get an RD by now, no french actor will ever be seen as deserving one Varoon2542 (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sydney Poitier was hugely influential figure not just for his skill as an actor but for his role in breaking color barriers in the film industry. Betty White was buoyed by a wave of fan supports. Honestly, she should not have been posted. It's worth noting that very famous actors are routinely rejected including Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. The only issue keeping Delon from RD is the article's gnerally poor referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Worldwide, Poitier is not more influential than Delon. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sydney Poitier was hugely influential figure not just for his skill as an actor but for his role in breaking color barriers in the film industry. Betty White was buoyed by a wave of fan supports. Honestly, she should not have been posted. It's worth noting that very famous actors are routinely rejected including Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. The only issue keeping Delon from RD is the article's gnerally poor referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Stats As we have the usual impasse at ITN, it is instructive to see what our readers are choosing. We find that:
- Alain Delon was the top read article on Wikipedia yesterday with about double the readership of the closest competition – Alien: Romulus
- Most of the ITN blurb articles do not have significant readership -- they are at the 10K level which is effectively the baseline for ITN. The only exception is Paetongtarn Shinawatra who got about 80K but that's still an order of magnitude less than Delon.
- So, it's apparent that ITN is quite out of touch with the general readership. Our readers really don't care what stale stuff we run and just vote with their feet.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yet again, it must be stated that ITN does not consider readership numbers at all. We are not trying to optimize SEO hits or the like here. That's why the point of ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news (in line with all other sections of the main page) , not about being a news ticker simply to index hot news topics. — Masem (t) 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't mean Masem's comment as it related to how ITN decisions are made isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why would anyone need to go to ANI about this? Y'all are weird. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe because this has been a consistent yet constant feature of AD on ITN/C, and of the multiple folks who have tried their best to remind him that no, ITN is not a news ticker. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why would anyone need to go to ANI about this? Y'all are weird. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't mean Masem's comment as it related to how ITN decisions are made isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yet again, it must be stated that ITN does not consider readership numbers at all. We are not trying to optimize SEO hits or the like here. That's why the point of ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news (in line with all other sections of the main page) , not about being a news ticker simply to index hot news topics. — Masem (t) 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article needs improvement in terms in sourcing. Once these issues are addressed, I can support blurb since article establishes his impact in the field of cinema spanning languages/regions. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb once the article's quality is there. It establishes how transformative and famous he was internationally, he probably is among the few non-Hollywood actors you should consider for this. --Clibenfoart (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Quality needs a lot of improvement. I commented on the talk page, but the Influence on his contemporaries and legacy section is overstuffed and may have a lot of original research to claim that xyz film or actor was influenced by Delon. Natg 19 (talk) 17:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Silvio Santos
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [3] [4]
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Brazilian media mogul and television host. He was the host of the second longest running Brazilian program: Programa Silvio Santos, aired since 1963. He was also the only celebrity in the country on the list of billionaires by Forbes magazine. The magazine also states that "there is no one more famous than Silvio Santos in Brazil." Maeslor
- Conditional oppose: I have no doubt he is a major figure in the country as both an entrepreneur and a television presenter, but the article on EN needs work (Portuguese Wikipedia has a more substantive article we could translate from. This one is not as complete and even cites YouTube in places). ViperSnake151 Talk 00:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have just translated the Death of Silvio Santos page, going on the background, announcement, and reactions in Brazil and worldwide. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I think the article is in a good enough shape to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support He was an important person and the article is not bad. Scheridon (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, quite surprising this isn't in the main page yet. RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the death spinout article has far too many quotes are reads more like a memorial piece. I question if that really needed to be spun out since the actual activities around the death are somwhat thin. Masem (t) 15:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks good. Really, the death article is kinda extraneous and some of that content can be pulled over, but its 90% memorial commentary so it's not that big a deal. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Having so many people tune into his show for that long is remarkable. Connor Behan (talk) 01:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Black Caviar
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): ABC News Sydney Morning Herald
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Famous Australian racehorse. Aydoh8[contribs] 05:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality. Lacking in references for Race record and Pedigree sections. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case - protest
Blurb: A rape and murder incident prompts protests across India. ()
Alternative blurb: In India, doctors go on strike and nationwide protests occur after the rape and murder of a woman physician in Kolkata.
News source(s): News [5][6][7]
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case. Spworld2 06:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Snow oppose Horrifying case, but ITN usually doesn't post crimes committed against individual people. Furthermore, the article is not complete. Bremps... 06:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Usually this is not a small case against individuals, they were raped and killed with great brutality, public protests are continuing in all cities of India against this, doctors are also on strike in India.[8][9] [10][11][12][13][14] Spworld2 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also you can't call WP:SNOW on the 1st comment Abcmaxx (talk) 13:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- By that logic, George Floyd's murder wouldn't make it to ITN. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Usually this is not a small case against individuals, they were raped and killed with great brutality, public protests are continuing in all cities of India against this, doctors are also on strike in India.[8][9] [10][11][12][13][14] Spworld2 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - "The incident took place when 'Trainee Doctor', a 31-year-old Trainee Doctor,......" sentence just ends there. No way we can post this, article doesn't even tell you what happened PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- RD is mostly for the deaths of notable people/organisms, not for murder cases, even if high-profile. Good faith nom PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a law in India that the name of the victim in a rape case should not be disclosed Spworld2 (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article has come a long way since, I do think its in a decent (not great) place for posting Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- [15][16] [17][18][19][20][21] Spworld2 (talk) 06:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- This should not be an RD, this should be nominated as a blurb, but primarily due to the protests that have followed from the crime. --Masem (t) 17:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not an RD nom anymore. (Not a wikibio.) Need a better blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 20:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb There is significant coverage of this in the news, both within India and internationally. A single incident wouldn't be ITN worthy but the notable thing here, as Masem stated, is the protests and response that followed. The altblurb highlights this a bit more clearly. Schwinnspeed (talk) 20:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- If it does go up, I do feel the victim's name should not be omitted in the burb. It feels like the blurbs are discussing the protests more than the victim themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJX74 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, because the notable thing is the protests, not the murder itself. Also, WP:BDP applies. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I was gonna the same the same to the first comment above. Brutal as a rape is, they're not so unusual in the country.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Need to sort out which article is. the Alt that is not "incident" is best.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb The incident have received widespread international coverage. The news about it has been featured on the multiple international newspaper's front page. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb, really terrible news and the strikes have been gaining more coverage as Prince of Punjab said Dyaquna (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support notability quite clearly world news and affecting the world's most populous nation. Is there an article on the protests though? Abcmaxx (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I do find it perplexing that the article focuses on the murder rather than the protests themselves. Most of the article's prose cover the protests. I understand they were much larger (early returns, granted), but wouldn't an incident such as the Mahsa Amini protests inform precedent on article focus here? DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb If a countrywide medical worker strike in India is not notable, I don't know what to say to you. The article is well cited and is good quality enough for ITN. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability A countrywide medical strike seems to me to be notable enough. However, the lead could be significantly improved, and the article could better explain whether or not the strike is still ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability and preferably altblurb. Well cited and article is in good shape. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Slotted it at the nom's 17 Aug date, though protests and strikes occured earlier, as the strike went nationwide on 17th.[22]
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RD: Daniela Larreal
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Diario de la Americas News.com.au
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Venezuelan cyclist; death announced on this date. Kingsif (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Prose has less than 150 words, needs a lot of expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 15:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Expanded beyond stub, and I have included several older sources but am still looking for more behind the obits. So far, looks like she got more attention for politics than sports (Venezuela), but there should be some sources on e.g. her cycling World Cup wins. Kingsif (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Scott Bloomquist
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Associated Press, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:9DB7:B240:8923:9CF9 (talk · )
- Updated by MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk · ), Red Director (talk · ) and HotMAN0199 (talk · )
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American dirt track racing driver. 240F:7A:6253:1:9DB7:B240:8923:9CF9 (talk) 09:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple orange tags that needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 15:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as per the multiple orange tags that are at the top of the page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
(Ready?) RD: Afa Anoaʻi
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Wrestling Observer-Figure Four Online, WWE
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Samoan pro wrestler, one half of the Wild Samoans. Article is actually pretty solid quality/citation-wise for a wrestling bio. The Kip (contribs) 22:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Photo RD but the usual is fine, too, per Kip. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks ready to go. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
OpposeAround a handful of Cn tags.—Bagumba (talk) 16:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)- Dont see any at this point.—Bagumba (talk) 15:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I've added missing references to the article, should be good now. --Vacant0 (talk• contribs) 12:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — As usual for this page, most !votes appear to be based on seeing the mere presence of citations in the article. I see overall weak sourcing, tons of contextual holes (like many pro wrestling articles, it reads like an advertisement for WWE), statements not supported by sources, a lede that isn't a lede at all but rather a block of text separated from the rest of the article for purely stylistic purposes, etc. etc. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 12:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Superstar" Billy Graham was a recent wrestling RD that at a glance seemed sourced, but upon further review had many refs not supporting all of the preceding sentences. Though this isn't limited to wrestling RDs. —Bagumba (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Seems well cited and no tags on it. 16:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John Lansing (journalist)
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): NPR
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · )
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Former CEO of NPR and chief of the U.S. Agency for Global Media. ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Paetongtarn chosen as new Thai PM
Blurb: Paetongtarn Shinawatra is chosen as Prime Minister of Thailand by the House of Representatives, replacing Srettha Thavisin who was dismissed by the Constitutional Court. ()
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC News The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · )
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Propose to merge with the existing blurb on Srettha's dismissal, just like how we did with the Bangladesh PM. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge seems fine. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge also. River10000 (talk) 11:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The proposed blurb says she was selected by the House, but her article currently says "parliament". This Bangkok Post article says it was the House, explictly stating that the Senate wasn't required.—Bagumba (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality only A few unsourced statements but that should be easily fixed. --Masem (t) 13:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge, because it's a succession in head of government of Thailand, plus swap out the picture. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 13:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merger but the few unsourced statements should be fixed. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merger pre above Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge per above. The Kip (contribs) 21:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: ? Natg 19 (talk) 00:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yet again, another post without all the quality issued addressed. ITN (and the Main page) is supposed to represent WP's best work, this wasn't. — Masem (t) 16:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the article looks fine. A few (2-3) unsourced statements should not hold up posting. Natg 19 (talk) 19:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Issues have since been resolved. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pull - Posting this was premature. She hasn't yet been formally appointed prime minister. [23] estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- The King has officially appointed her as Prime Minister. [24] Tofusaurus (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- U.S. results are regularly posted before a formal presidential inauguration. Let's be consistent, one way or another.—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Charis Eng
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): PTEN Research, Cleveland Plain Dealer
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SpencerT•C 00:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Missing any prose on death.—Bagumba (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: Added. SpencerT•C 18:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jack Russell (musician)
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Billboard, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk · )
- Updated by UndergroundMan3000 (talk · ) and SirZPthundergod9001 (talk · )
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American musician and founding member of Great White. 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk) 13:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for the number of unsourced statements. ForsythiaJo (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a large number of unsourced information. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Added an orange tag for the lack of citations in the prose. Please fix! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System
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Blurb: Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System ()
Alternative blurb: The Chicxulub asteroid has been found to be a carbonaceous asteroid which formed in the outer Solar System
News source(s): Science, [25]
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · )
Article updated
- Oppose and close: what even is the meaning of this? Tofusaurus (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- It means that the Chicxulub asteroid was found to be from the outer Solar System, rather than the inner Solar System. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the question is "what is the significance of this?". It's a cool discovery that this asteroid came from so far away (though I always assumed the majority of massive impactors came from the [[Outer Solar System]]), but I'm not sure it's ITN material. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- It means that the Chicxulub asteroid was found to be from the outer Solar System, rather than the inner Solar System. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose In contrast with the water on Mars story, this has extremely little impact on science going forward, its more a "that answers that question". Also, remember that we need to have coverage in the news, which is there for this but I've added that. We can't just go on published papers only. --Masem (t) 13:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As per Masem, this will not have a significant impact on future science. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Maybe not a world-changing event, but scientific discoveries are often valuable by themselves, and it changes a bit from the cycle of politics and disasters usually on ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The fact that the Chicxulub impactor was of carbonaceous chondrite-type has been known for many years (see this paper from 2021 for example [26]), and while the analytical techniques employed in this this paper are interesting, their claim this is some kind of new revelation is just PR hype. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Hemiauchenia. More broadly, the origin of asteroid impactors is not particularly significant to astronomy. Better for models of an impact and its effects, perhaps, but certainly not ITN material. ArkHyena (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Peter Marshall
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · )
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · )
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A few citations needed, but well-sourced overall. Mooonswimmer 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Fixed the citations needed. Article now fully sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Greg Kihn
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): KRON 4
Credits:
- Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · )
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Article does need some help in a few places, but for many in the early 80s, Greg Kihn was the leader of The Greg Kihn Band and songwriter for the band, which had hits "Jeopardy (song)", "The Breakup Song" and several other in the early 80s. Weird Al covered "Jeopardy" as "I Lost on Jeopardy", where many know that song from. He also did some writing. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. They don't write 'em like that any more. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Some cn tags, an unsourced section and another section with only one source. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready yet. There are still nine citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 11:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per usual. Aydoh8[contribs] 12:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags and many paragraphs ending without a footnote. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lasse Björn
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): https://www.svt.se/sport/ishockey/lasse-bjorn-ar-dod-blev-92-ar
Credits:
- Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · )
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · )
Article updated
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Olympic ice hockey and Ice Hockey World Championship medallist. Article is a bit short and could be expanded, but everything is cited. Flibirigit (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good. TwistedAxe [contact] 21:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment Article is well sourced, but I feel that the career section is a bit short, making the article borderline stubbish. Wondering what others think.Support Article has been expanded a bit. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've done a bit of expansion. Anyone else is welcome to help. Flibirigit (talk) 14:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Updated article title as per page move. His common name is "Lasse Björn". Flibirigit (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
National Public Data breach
Blurb: Data brokering service National Public Data suffers a breach of 2.7 billion records, potentially including the Social Security numbers of every living American. ()
News source(s): (CBS News)
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · )
- Created by Noleander (talk · )
Data breach potentially containing the Social Security number of every living American. Breach occurred last April, but now a lawsuit's being filed and it's receiving widespread coverage. Article needs work. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If the breach occurred last April, it is too stale to be presented as news in ITN, and the lawsuit isn't that newsworthy if the breach itself went under the radar at first. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is not nearly ready, and the item is stale to begin with. Estreyeria (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close immediately — Troy Hunt has written a post about this data breach. The data present has not been confirmed for accuracy and is unlikely to be. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose besides the stake Ness and quality issues, data breaches are far too common nowadays to make this anything but routine. Also, importantly, this us only a claim from the lawsuit, nothing has been affirmed here. The signs are likely that it's true but we have no confirmation yet. Masem (t) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The agency has confirmed the breech but keep in mind, this is 2.9 billion records which is not yet known how many people that actually is, since there can be multiple records per person. Further, the article itself is still far too short for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 11:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment - precedent has shown that stories that technically occurred a while back can still be posted if it only entered into the news discourse recently. Anyway,
weak oppose, per ElijahPepe. — Knightoftheswords 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As per above, the breach is a claim from a lawsuit, and does not seem to be definitively confirmed. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support if confirmed. This is a *huge* data breach, and its purported occurrence only recently came to light, assuming the charges made in the lawsuit are correct. Kurtis (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose notability since not confirmed Iff it's confirmed, take this to be a support on notability. Sure, large data breaches are common, but so are national elections, sports championships, and any of a half-dozen other things listed at ITNR. That shouldn't preclude something from being posted. The impact would be wide-reaching, and thus worth posting. For now, though, the accuracy is not certain nor the source. And don't even get me started on the article quality. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The breach has been confirmed by National Public Data. The leaked information is confirmed to include "name, email address, phone number, social security number, and mailing address(es)", but the scale of the breach (i.e. the figure of 2.7-2.9 billion) has not yet been specified or acknowledged. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The article is a stub and as long as it stays like that, it could not possibly be posted. Schwede66 08:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, once the article is properly expanded. A major event, and it is in the news now. Nsk92 (talk) 14:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Aricle size currently at 1400 B (223 words) readable prose.—Bagumba (talk) 10:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): The Wrap
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Award winning American actress. Thriley (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the entire filmography is currently unsourced. Estreyeria (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready yet. Filmography section has no sources, and the awards section has only one source. Flibirigit (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regrettable oppose Filmography and awards section needs ref work. There's a few cn tags in the career section as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Raising at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Curbon7 (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose outstanding number of cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) WHO declares global health emergency over Mpox outbreak
Blurb: The World Health Organization declares the 2024 African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency. ()
Alternative blurb: The World Health Organization declares the African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency.
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · )
Last time it was declared an emergency, it killed around 200 people. It seems to be alot more serious now, as death count has already risen to well above 500. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait there is no way that stub of an article is ready for an ITN item. Scu ba (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Literally one sentence, unfit for posting. Also, did we post monkeypox being designated as a global health emergency back in 2022? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Article is nowhere near ready for the main page. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 20:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because the article needs expansion and more sources. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:22, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — I expected that the WHO would declare the epidemic a global health emergency, but I have been tied up in the weeds of determining if this is a continuation of the epidemic two years ago, especially given the title change. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The nominated article is mpox which is not a stub. The disease is endemic and has a long history but the latest announcement is a clear wakeup call to take this outbreak seriously. WHO is not helping matters by nerfing the name to the innocuous sounding mpox but what makes me sit up and take notice is that it is closely related to smallpox which was a global scourge. We do remember the recent global pandemic, right? That was given top billing at ITN for ages and so such topics are quite significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The specific threat is the African epidemic, as mpox has been around and waned and waxed for decades. That should be featured. Masem (t) 21:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Noting the existence of the other article 2024 mpox outbreak that appears to nearly completely overlap with it, but is much more developed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The nominated article is now African mpox epidemic and has a banner calling for a title change. These new article(s) don't seem stable and I reckon that the main mpox article is best for this topic, as it has all the background. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I was the one who requested the merge and the title change. Since the two articles have been merged, I don't see why stability would be an issue. The link in the blurb can be updated if the page is moved. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The nominated article is now African mpox epidemic and has a banner calling for a title change. These new article(s) don't seem stable and I reckon that the main mpox article is best for this topic, as it has all the background. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Noting the existence of the other article 2024 mpox outbreak that appears to nearly completely overlap with it, but is much more developed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This epidemic primarily concerns Africa. Reported cases in the rest of the world have been steadily decreasing. This is not to throw Africa "under the bus" but Africa has certain conditions like: poor access to healthcare. The endemism of mpox in Africa. Which makes the epidemic noteworthy IN Africa as it is recurring.
- In the global perspective (non-endemic) the disease is spread through "mainly men who have sex with men and spread
- predominantly through sexual contact" rated moderate risk. Hardly pandemic material, yet... could change. Mikal N (talk) 22:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect - the 2022-2023 Clade II epidemic was spread mainly by sexual transmission. This is Clade I which seems to be more versatile and therefore more worrying. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-scientists-are-racing-understand-new-mpox-strain-democratic-republic-congo Bob (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The specific threat is the African epidemic, as mpox has been around and waned and waxed for decades. That should be featured. Masem (t) 21:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Mpox is gradually becoming more similar to smallpox. Count Iblis (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support A big announcement, but the actual Mpox Outbreak page should be linked somewhere within the blurb itself Hungry403 (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major development in public health. -TenorTwelve (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Target article should be African mpox epidemic which is in need of expansion/quality improvement. SpencerT•C 11:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. I went ahead and changed the target article from mpox to African mpox epidemic and added a link to public health emergency of international concern in the blurbs. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb with the changes to the target page. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb: It is starting to gain extensive coverage and significance. At the time of writing, Sweden has just reported its first case. Tofusaurus (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Qualified support. The article is relevant but quality is poor. The timeline is confusing. It's my bedtime otherwise I would contribute. Bob (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality now seems improved and this is highly notable. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support—A global health emergency is a pretty major development. Here's hoping it doesn't balloon into something too much worse than it currently is. Kurtis (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 23:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Dismissal of Thai PM
Blurb: Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin following an illegal cabinet appointment of a minister. ()
News source(s): Reuters CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · )
Tofusaurus (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe The event demonstrates that the PM is perhaps not the most powerful person in the government. CNN indicates that real power is held by "a small but powerful clique of military, royalist and business elites" which presumably means people like Thaksin Shinawatra. Anyway, this seems to be a trumped-up charge or show trial which we shouldn't endorse so directly. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thailand is in a bit of a flux atm as a flawed democracy; the primary opposition repeatedly gets banned but reforms as a different party. The current government with PT-Military is essentially PT submitting to the elements of the military, such as Prayut Chan-o-cha. River10000 (talk) 12:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Srettha & Thaksin are allies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Don't be mistaken, the removal of Thavisin is a great example of Court overreach in politics. This is the active removal of a head of government. River10000 (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Presumably if the president of the United States was dismissed by a court in that country, then it would be an ITN item. I don't see how this is any different, apart from the fact it relates to a different country. Chrisclear (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. However, I would think that this event might reasonably have a standalone article, and I would prefer to link to such an article should on be made. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as ITN/R - change of head of government. Natg 19 (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- It becomes ITNR once his successor is known, but surely removal of head of government is notable in its own right if a successor is not chosen quickly. rawmustard (talk) 20:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The event is notable, and the article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support a head of government got removed from office. This is notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support because it's a change in head of government.
- JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The removal of Thailand’s PM is quite notable & the article’s quality is good enough to post. However, I’m not entirely satisfied w/the blurb’s wording since this seems to be politically motivated & the blurb’s wording doesn’t make that clear enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:
Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin one week after a ruling dissolved the Move Forward Party and banned its executives from politics.
- Or maybe a
- Thailand's Constitutional Court removes Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, alleging illegal appointment of a cabinet member. River10000 (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
... reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago ...
: They are mentioned together in some sources, but do any of them say that the MFP being dissolved caused the PM's dismissal? —Bagumba (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's a slippery slope if we start using "allegedly" for court rulings. The ruling and their reasoning are fact, even if one argues its flawed (or if its eventually overturned or generally decried). —Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:
- I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, removal of an active head of government by a court is very much notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While the picture is good, the fact that the leader is standing in front of another country's national flag might be confusing for a reader looking at ITN at a glance. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Switched image to File:Srettha Thavisin at Pheu Thai Party headquarters,Bangkok, 7 September 2023.jpg from his bio's lead (hopefully there's not a major issue w/ him smiling more).—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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