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- Bonnie Holiday (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG and ENT. The claim to fame is that she appeared in a documentary about porn but isnt mentioned on the playbill for the film nor is she name checked in the Roger Ebert review of the film. Even if being un-named in a review and uncredited in the film counts, thats 1E territory. No objection to this being redirected to the film if deleted. Spartaz Humbug! 15:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: No WP:RS available, also a blatant copyvio of [1], that is copyrighted and may be user-generated. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 18:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Even a name search doesn't bring up much of anything, let alone anything about this person. It's been tagged since 2016, I'd expect some sources to have turned up in the almost 10 yrs since; nothing has, so this likely isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 18:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete highly dependent on a Single source and per Oaktree and Alien333, there is no WP:RS available to search for notablity Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Joe Kerr (retired firefighter) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable political candidate. Of the 4 sources cited on the page, 2 are his own website and 1 is Ballotpedia. No in-depth news coverage and no claim to notability. Holding a mid-level position in a union and serving on a state board does not entitle someone to a Wikipedia page. Page creator seems to have a personal connection to Kerr, judging by the fact that they uploaded several pictures of him on Commons and tagged them as "own work." BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Running for office isn't notable. The article uses primary or un-RS and all I can find are interviews or "get to know your candidate" articles [2]. Non-notable career otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 03:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:NPOL in short. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 04:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There is no coverage from independent, reliable sources, the article doesn't meet WP: BIO notability. I think that Despite his contributions as a firefighter and political candidate, a standalone page isn’t justified. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete WP:PROMOTION seems to have run for office multiple times, but never even come close to winning any of them. His Awards and Achievements section is sourced by his personal web site. — Maile (talk) 20:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No WP:SIGCOV from independent reliable sources Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Carll Goodpasture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I have been looking for third party references to support this article but can find none, especially on the exhibitions and grants and awards categories. In addition, there are no references, other than links to primary sources from the subject person. I believe this is not notable and falls under under WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE / WP:PRIMARY, and may violate WP:BASIC / WP:PHOTOGRAPHER / WP:AUTO. Maybe, if no references apply, the subject could be inserted into a relevant American photographer article. Shotgunheist 💬 04:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Manu Intiraymi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not sure this person passes WP:NACTOR, mostly minor roles. Can't find any reliable sources discussing them apart from the cited nytimes source which isn't specifically about Intiraymi, but mentions him in passing in 3 paragraphs of a rather long piece about the state of the entertainment industry in LA in the late 1990s. Other sources I have been able to find are Star Trek fansites, which I wouldn't consider significant coverage. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete — Re WP:NACTOR, this subject has played a significant role in Star Trek: Voyager. But I am not finding that his role in One Tree Hill (TV series) was very significant. And it would take one or two more solid ones to find that he did so in multiple productions. The subject also fails WP:ANYBIO for lack of in-depth biographical coverage by unrelated parties. JFHJr (㊟) 00:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, but also JFHjr, who touches on ANYBIO. I think this is a fundamental fail. Perhaps when their career trajectory continues in the way they want it, it'll be different. Not quite now though. ——Serial Number 54129 00:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe WP:TOOSOON? JFHJr (㊟) 01:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes JFHJr thanks, that's good advice 👍 ——Serial Number 54129 09:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe WP:TOOSOON? JFHJr (㊟) 01:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Kenny Ingalls (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Augustan Society (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I can find no evidence that this 'society' (an incorporated company) meets Wikipedia notability criteria. The article is pure advertising. According to its own website [3], it offers 'services' such as 'Recognition of Noble Titles', 'Recognition of membership in Orders of Chivalry' etc, but fails to demonstrate that such 'recognition' has any value whatsoever. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. It's title weirdo stuff and it's being used to prop up similar orgs that should be deleted for lacking notability and credibility like the American_Heraldry_Society(old successful AfD), Royal Order of the Engabu, Royal Order of the Omujwaara Kondo and Patriarchal Order of the Holy Cross of Jerusalem D1551D3N7 (talk) 16:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is an internet based business for fantasists who buy dubious honours that lacks both notability and credibility. --Greens vs. Blacks (talk) 15:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mike Gregorian (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The best source I could find is [[4]] which only covers the subject for a few sentences. Let'srun (talk) 21:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. No WP:SIGCOV to prove notability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 23:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of United States men's international soccer players as possible search term. GiantSnowman 18:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No issues with a redirect. Let'srun (talk) 18:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect as above. C679 10:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Adonis Amaya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a few sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: All that appears to be here is routine game coverage, with nothing that can be considered WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 11:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Marc Cayce (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Highly promotional page for non-notable director, recreated and moved to mainspace after soft deletion in 2023. No evidence that he passes WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:FILMMAKER. There is no evidence beyond WP:USERGENERATED IMDb that he co-directed Trapped: Haitian Nights, the one notable production in his filmography, or that his direct-to-video "A Day of Trouble" premiered at Cannes. Sources are all press releases, WP:INTERVIEWS and similar primary sources, as well as a handful of tabloid items disallowed for notability under WP:SBST. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Hardly any coverage of his career, some confirmation here in regards to a sexual assault allegation [5], which doesn't help notability (beyond confirming his work). The sources used in the article are as described by the nom, non-helpful. Vaguely PROMO as well. Oaktree b (talk) 21:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Jonah Nimoy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not enough media coverage to justify the biography. Fails WP:NBAND. Binksternet (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - WP:MUSICBIO , Leonard Nimoy's grandson, but there is nothing of accomplishment in music or anything else. — Maile (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No significant accomplishments or coverage to indicate passing WP:MUSICBIO. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The few news articles that pop up are around Leonard (actor that played Spock) dying and some mentions of the Offspring. I don't see notability for this band member. Oaktree b (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I think this article doesn't meet notability standards. There are unreliable sources, and his achievements aren't enough to justify a standalone article. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Offspring. He recently became an official member of a notable band, so his name is a likely search term and curious readers can go to their article. Otherwise, young Nimoy has no notable accomplishments of his own. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Offspring#Band members. There are no RS that would help pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Offspring#Band Members, due to lack of reliable sources other than his relationship to Leonard Nimoy, thus failing WP:BIO JTZegers (talk) 04:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Harry M. Rubin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Upon review of article and its sources, the person in question does not meet the notability guidelines in question: the person is not (1) cited by 3rd party sources other than websites that repeat his bio as an official founder of Samuel Adams beer (2) known for originating a new concept [see point #1] (3) become a significant monument, etc. (4) He is not cited as by peers and 3rd party sources for the work that is well-known or significant. The article was written by a blocked user and could primarily serve the purpose of self promotion as defined in WP:NOTADVERT. P3D7AQ09M6 (talk)
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- Delete. This is just a CV. No notability. ApLundell (talk) 05:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- If deleted Harry Rubin (virologist) should be moved to the base name since Harry Rubin redirects here.--67.70.101.117 (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Folks, My apologies, I actually meant to nominate Harry Rubin (virologist) Late night editing got the best of me. Upon a 2nd look at this article in particular, I found new reputable secondary sources to that show indeed this Harry Rubin was indeed a Samuel Adams co-founder. I'm closing going to close this deletion nomination in favor of doing some work to improve the article itself. P3D7AQ09M6 (talk) 04:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe delete both of them.
- Being a minor, behind-the-scenes partner of a business does not make someone notable.
- ApLundell (talk) 05:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the spirit of WP:GD I'm going to suggest that we pursue a constructive alternative such as improving or cleaning up the article. Two main reasons (1) Being one of the Samuel Adams founders both within the beverage field and just generally is definitely a major contribution. It looks he was not the frontman, but, indeed, he's been recognized by multiple secondary sources as being a founder and his involvement in various beverage investments is notable enough to be topic of headlines. As you probably know, media outlets have full control over headlines, which means that these media outlets viewed his involvement as "the story". On a more basic level, Samuel Adams is also billion dollar major conglomerate, it's widely recognized, and is part of the American social milieu (2) I digged into other secondary sources and there's quite a few other significant achievements such as being one of the people who started GT Interactive, which launched DOOM (a major video game) (3) This nomination was a careless mistake on my part so it's kind of a fluke nomination. My apologies again to all for that bonehead error and for wasting folks time reviewing this!
- re: Harry Rubin (virologist) Even though I intended to nominate it, I also now lean towards keeping it. Mostly because his achievements within his specific domain are quite significant.
- If we deny this deletion nomination, I can take an action item to improve both pages.P3D7AQ09M6 (talk) 22:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: See also AFD'ed C. M. Rubin, his partner. IgelRM (talk) 08:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- ZipZoomfly (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I initially WP:PRODed this with the following rationale "Non-notable, defunct retailer. None of the current sources are actual coverage of the company in reliable sources, merely being things such as database listing or user generated content like reviews. Searching for sources under both the "ZipZoomfly" and "Googlegear" names did not turn up any coverage in reliable sources." An IP user contacted me on my Talk page requesting to contest the PROD with this rationale: "ZipZoomFly.com aka GoogleGear.com was an important part of early internet history and a popular place to shop before newegg was founded. The lawsuit between them and google.com (alphabet) was a noteworthy case of parody vs trademark. The page is worth keeping because their are lessons to be learned from it's downfall." I don't agree that reasoning is sufficient to address the sourcing issues that keep this company from passing the WP:GNG and WP:NCORP, but since the PROD was contested, I am moving it to AFD for discussion instead. Rorshacma (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- I generally agree with IP. The suit with Google over the naming was notable at the time, and as a computer retailer, they were well and widely known during their heyday - for example, on Anandtech, they were listed in price comparisons against NewEgg, TigerDirect, and Buy.com.[1] In the grander scheme of things, they were just an early online PC component retailer, but as a bit of early online history, they are modestly notable. I'd vote to keep it, but per notability guidelines I'm uncertain enough to say that we need more eyeballs on it to assess.
- I've updated and replaced a number of of the sources, just to conform better w/policy and guidelines. Regrettably, I could find no mention of their demise from reliable sources; only many comments within PC-focused forums at the time, which of course are not considered reliable. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC) cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Although I sympathize with the IP's and anastrophe's desire to keep early internet history, this company isn't notable. BEFORE didn't show any RS. Of the current references:
- 1 is paywalled, let's give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's a good reference.
- 2 is the Google suit, a primary document, fails RS
- 3, 4, 8, 9 are the company's own website, fails IS
- 5, 6 are user-generated reviews, fails RS
- 7 is simply a business listing, fails RS/SIGCOV
- anastrophe's find is a listing of comparable products from different retailers
I see no sources that meet GNG or NORG. Even if reference #1 is acceptable, that's not enough to establish notability. StartGrammarTime (talk) 16:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)- All perfectly legitimate arguments, and sorry for the paywall, didn't realize at the time. The WSJ article is a good, in-depth look at the company, with the president of the company quoted several times, and their efforts to keep customers engaged in the face of growing competition detailed. Here's a 'gift' link to the article for review if interested.[2]
- But, a single article in a genuinely reliable sources isn't enough. The (lack of a) preponderance of evidence in reliable sources establishing notability is prima facie. No objection to deletion (with a wee tear in my eye, heh). cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC) cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...And I'm not entirely certain of the propriety of sharing that 'gift' link here. By all means, let me know and I'll delete it if it's problematic. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, I was really hoping to find some great sources because the early internet (in all its Comic Sans, under-construction-gif, clashing color glory) was a magical place and preserving as much history as possible is fantastic. Let the children see what we had to do to simply visit a website, and we shall not speak of the trials of downloads! If there had been enough sources I would have been an enthusiastic keep, but alas... StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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- weak keep: Coverage here [6] and the website is talked about here [7]. These and the Wall Street Journal should be just enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 03:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Thanks Oaktree, the internet is saved! Aaron Liu (talk) 03:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I have struck through my earlier delete rationale as Oaktree's finds push this over the notability bar for me. Good work Oaktree! StartGrammarTime (talk) 01:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ara Najarian (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable local official. His city council position doesn't satisfy NPOL and he doesn't seem to meet GNG otherwise. Of the 6 sources cited on the page: one is his page on a database of registered lawyers, one is the Ohio Birth Index, one is his resume, one is his campaign website, and one is his bio on the city of Glendale's official website; the only actual news article cited is a WP:ROTM article about an election he ran in. I can't really find anything better on Google. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 00:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Purely local coverage [8], [9], confirmation of election wins. Nothing beyond routine coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep and keep improving. Easily meets WP:BASIC and likely WP:GNG. (And a little worried that there has been insufficient WP:BEFORE, possibly because there is also a Los Angeles Times sports writer with the same name, so it generates a ton of irrelevant coverage if you don't use additional search parameters.) Najarian has been vocal about advocating Armenian-American issues – Glendale has one of the largest Armenian communities outside Armenia (and this Los Angeles Times article where he is quoted is just the tip of the iceberg) – and an initial 15-minute search yielded coverage of his meetings with the prime minister of Armenia, and he is also frequently covered in the Armenian-American community press extending beyond Glendale. It will take a long time to sort through all the coverage to identify the "best 3", but this is more a case of having to spend time to search, sort, assess and improve, rather than agonizing that this four-time mayor and councilmember of Glendale has been completely ignored by the media outside of Glendale.) Cielquiparle (talk) 06:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Here is another one: "Najarian gets presidential welcome in Armenia" which appeared in both the Los Angeles Times and the Glendale News-Press. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not every local official is automatically notable. IT's absolutely worth pointing out that he's received no coverage outside of Glendale. His meeting with the president of Armenia helps, but it doesn't automatically entitle him to a Wikipedia page (even if this meeting was extremely notable, which doesn't seem to be the case, it still wouldn't make Najarian himself notable, per WP:1E). Him being "mentioned" in an LA Times article is also not especially convincing. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's hardly WP:1E if his official visits to Armenia were covered in both 2010 and 2018. Anyway in future I would recommend trying search engines other than Google. A quick Google search will tell you it doesn't function very well anymore as a search engine. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- One can find articles that are more in-depth than mentions by searching
site:latimes.com "ara najarian"
on Google, such as Ara Najarian tapped as Glendale mayor for the fourth time. toweli (talk) 03:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)- @Toweli: I wouldn't call that "in-depth" coverage, it's a pretty short article about him becoming mayor. Seems pretty run of the mill to me. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say that it was in-depth, I said that it was more in-depth than mentions. I'm not sure whether he's notable or not, because I haven't really looked much. That's why I didn't write "keep". toweli (talk) 05:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 05:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say that it was in-depth, I said that it was more in-depth than mentions. I'm not sure whether he's notable or not, because I haven't really looked much. That's why I didn't write "keep". toweli (talk) 05:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toweli: I wouldn't call that "in-depth" coverage, it's a pretty short article about him becoming mayor. Seems pretty run of the mill to me. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Drunvalo Melchizedek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It's regrettable that this page has remained on Wikipedia for so long. It relies exclusively on primary sources and blog posts. Drunvalo Melchizedek lacks significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. There are no serious reviews of his self published books. Consensus was deletion after a previous nomination in 2012. Not much has changed. He might be well known in New Age pseudoscience circles but there is nothing of substance for a Wikipedia page. Ynsfial (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment The AFD is inaccurate as this is not the same page from 2012. It was recreated from scratch with available info in 2019. Also, the AFD does not actually give any specific grounds for deletion except what sounds like personal disdain, which WP needs to be above. In fact, the deletion submission itself admits topical notability. Whether said topical area is bad or good is not relevant to encyclopedic inclusion. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 12:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- You need to give my AFD a second read. My specific grounds for deletion are clearly stated. Drunvalo Melchizedek lacks significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources, which I determined after checking for coverage of him online. Second of all, as an author and researcher, his work lacks serious reviews, though I recognize this is just one aspect of author notability criteria that he fails to meet. He doesn't seem to meet the others either. I'm not sure what you mean about topical notability. A TikToker every other teen is familiar with is well known to many people. But if there isn't much serious coverage of them they aren't encyclopedically notable. If you believe he meets the notability criteria, please provide a few credible sources this.Ynsfial (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- My first inclination would be WP:AUTHOR, in that, at least in his field (however dubious), he is considered a significant figure. This is rather bolstered, I would say, by the number of the independent secondary sources already cited. Additionally, that his work has been the inspiration for notable artists as diverse as Tool and Willow Smith lends some amount of significant influence. But again, even your nomination concedes that "he might be well known in New Age... circles" which would seem to render the question moot; even you're not entirely certain of his non-notability, which I still think shoots significant holes through any WP:NN argument.
- As for WP:RS, I would point to Wikipedia:Fringe_theories#Parity_of_sources:
- Parity of sources may mean that certain fringe theories are only reliably and verifiably reported on, or criticized, in alternative venues from those that are typically considered reliable sources for scientific topics on Wikipedia. For example, the lack of peer-reviewed criticism of creation science should not be used as a justification for marginalizing or removing scientific criticism of creation science, since creation science itself is not published in peer-reviewed journals. Likewise, the views of adherents should not be excluded from an article on creation science solely on the basis that their work lacks peer review. Other considerations for notability should be considered as well.
- Keith D. Tyler ¶ 05:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for pointing out the guideline concerning parity of sources. Please provide 3 of the independent secondary sources cited that you think best establish notability and we can discuss it from there.Ynsfial (talk) 15:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- You need to give my AFD a second read. My specific grounds for deletion are clearly stated. Drunvalo Melchizedek lacks significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources, which I determined after checking for coverage of him online. Second of all, as an author and researcher, his work lacks serious reviews, though I recognize this is just one aspect of author notability criteria that he fails to meet. He doesn't seem to meet the others either. I'm not sure what you mean about topical notability. A TikToker every other teen is familiar with is well known to many people. But if there isn't much serious coverage of them they aren't encyclopedically notable. If you believe he meets the notability criteria, please provide a few credible sources this.Ynsfial (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RS - I don’t see a single reliable source, unless you consider Jezebel to be reliable. This is in no was close to passing notability. Bearian (talk) 03:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Not eligible for a Soft Deletion.
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- Alameda Council (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NORG and WP:ORGIND fail. If a suitable target can be found, it could be re-directed as suggested for WP:BRANCH, although this article certainly does not merit standalone Graywalls (talk) 05:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - Agree with OP.
- Axad12 (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- The Ivory Tower (album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm not sure if this album is notable. There's a PopMatters review and there's a brief review in HM (magazine) (page 32). According to the Wikipedia article, there's also a Kerrang review, but I wasn't able to find it; according to oldies.com music mail-order company, it at least contained the words "Taking driving riffs and breakdowns from emo and the huge radio-hugging choruses of, say, Journey or Mister Mister, Orange County quintet Takota are on to a winner on this, their debut album." Other than that, there's a Punktastic review, consisting of 10 adjectives, there's an Alternative Vision review (listed as generally unreliable on WP:A/S), and there's a NeuFutur review, a publication I hadn't heard of until today. toweli (talk) 16:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. This was a pretty good BEFORE, which it would be good to merge into the Takota article at least. There is also supposed to be a review printed in this edition of Burn. Geschichte (talk) 07:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Lynn Carey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Follow-up from this AfD. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG, and struggling to find any sources to support existing information in article. Mdann52 (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: This is all I could find [10], brief mention. Just not enough coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm uncommitted as of yet,but this is a possible merge target for Neil Merryweather (since she was the lead singer of his band Mama Lion, and I expect Merryweather's article to survive vetting here). She may also meet WP:NACTOR if not WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 05:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)- Comment I don't have paid access to newspapers dot com right now (money is tight) but there seems to be a good amount of non-trivial coverage for her on there. "Lynn Carey" singer and "Lynn Carey" actress are the best search terms, it seems. If someone who has access could clip some of those and add them, I think there would be a good case of her meeting the GNG at least for news coverage. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 03:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Another BLP page entirely made from somebody's recollections and album covers. No reliable sources at all. My reasonable BEFORE is unsuccessful.BusterD (talk) 12:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)- Keep based on abundant RS presented by User:GoldenAgeFan1. Given the current largely unsourced state of this page, it would be good if some of these sources could be used to back assertions made to date. BusterD (talk) 18:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I looked around other newspaper databases since it doesn't look like anyone is going to look for newspapers dot com articles as I requested and found several articles relating to Carey. I don't know how long the genealogybank links will last since I don't think they have permanent link sharing. Another note: I don't see why people expect to easily find sourcing for people that had a certain degree of fame that predated the internet by quite a number of years (decades in Carey's case). However, I think these articles display that she was once indeed notable, and that's all that is required to have article. 1,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 23:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Some of these bare mentions but the first two clearly meet independent, diverse, and direct detailing by RS. BusterD (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per GoldenAgeFan's findings, which are worthy of the old Article Rescue Service. If you've time, could you take a look at the related deletions for Neil Merryweather and Mama Lion as well? I thought Carey's article was the least likely to survive, but with this much coverage, there might be a good case for keeping all three (and for a whole bunch of trouts to be served to overeager deletionists). Chubbles (talk) 04:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Dele teNeutral does not seem to be an encyclopedia page candidate based on sourcing. Graywalls (talk) 00:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: This debate has recently trended towards 'keep' somewhat, but relisting to allow further analysis of GoldenAgeFan1's sources and additional input.
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- Keep in view of the multiple reliable newspaper sources identified by GoldenAgeFan that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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