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- Workers Vanguard Party of Kurdistan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not seem to be notable. Tagged unsourced for over a decade and the Kurdish article has no sources either. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - as usual, articles shouldn't be tagged for AfD based on the lack of references in the article at present, but based on the availability of potential sources for expansion. A quick google books search reveals plenty of material that could be used, based on both Kurdish and Turkish versions of the name, which could be used for sourcing and expansion before bringing the article to AfD process. --Soman (talk) 15:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- For example, you might want to note wordings like "We will now briefly go through the expressions employed about the 'armed struggle' by the three prinicipal groups which had remarkably drawn more popular support among the Kurds of Turkey than the PKK in the late 1970s. The Vanguard Workers Party of Kurdistan (PPKK ..." (Turkey's Kurds: A Theoretical Analysis of the PKK and Abdullah Ocalan, my emphasis) --Soman (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify It should not be in mainspace. Ben Azura (talk) 08:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- List of telecommunications companies in the Middle East and Africa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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What wikipedia is not, is not a WP:NOTADIRECTORY which this article clearly is. Govvy (talk) 15:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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- keep. A reasonable navigation tool; only remove items without wikipedia articles. --Altenmann >talk 17:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Again, like I replied in the other article, Navigation tool? What's wrong with a category or a template? That doesn't really seem like a valid argument for keeping the article. It still violates NOTADIRECTORY. Govvy (talk) 23:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- Keep. I'm not sure what part of WP:DIRECTORY this meets. This list does not consist of simple listings, the topics here are not loosely associated, not non-encylcopedic cross-categorizations, a genealogical entry, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. Grouping telecommunication companies together by area sounds reasonable to me. We have lists like List of companies listed on the National Stock Exchange of India, how are those lists not directories when this one, apparently, is? IMHO I think that the Middle East and Africa telecom companies should be separated but this does not fail WP:DIRECTORY. Relativity ⚡️ 18:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- 2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Basically a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of Gaza humanitarian crisis.
More importantly, off all the given sources, only a single one (The National) uses the term "epidemic" in its own voice, with 2 more quoting the Gaza Health Ministry's declaration of an epidemic. RS hasn't been using the term epidemic (probably because as of now there haven't been any confirmed cases yet. There are strong fears of a coming epidemic, and polio has been found in the sewage, but thankfully no infections). At the very least the article needs to be considerably shortened, and name changed to "Polio discoveries" or something. Violates Crystal Ball. It's also not being (significantly) covered by RS on its own, but rather as part of the broader crisis. Hydromania (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - Wouldn't be opposed to recreating the article later if more sources begin to call the Polio issue an epidemic, but a redirect would suffice for right now. Jdcomix (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Deleteper nom. Redirecting the current title if the term "epidemic" is not being used by multiple reliable sources would violate WP:NDESC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)- Merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. My first impression is that we should probably redirect. Now to read with care... Yeah, merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move or merge. There are plenty of reliable sources with significant coverage, so deleting it isn’t warranted. If kept, a move or rename to 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak or the like would be appropriate. I don’t oppose the merger, however the main article could get filled with a lot of more important and less important trivia; see what happened at one time to Palestinian law. Bearian (talk)
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- keep - and expand. Could be broadened to "infectious diseases outbreaks" instead of just polio, but it warrants its own coverage separate from starvation and other issues. FourPi (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- keep per https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/8/16/israel-war-on-gaza-live-children-killed-in-israeli-attack-on-jabalia-camp, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/16/un-chief-calls-for-polio-pause-in-gaza-war-to-tackle-virus and FourPi. Pachu Kannan (talk) 02:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- That Al Jazeera article does not use the term "Polio Epidemic" in its own voice. Hydromania (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Gaza humanitarian crisis is a redirect (it should appear as a green link) so it won't be possible to redirect or merge to it. So you might want to look at ITS target article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - and rename article without using the term 'epidemic', as there is no metric that describes a cluster of three cases as an epidemic. My preference is to use the term 'cases' or 'outbreak' as per Bearian's reasoning and suggestion on 16 August 2024 immediately before AfD was relisted. AllPurposeScientistblah 11:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I should add that I generally agree with the original reasoning 2 weeks ago, but the situation appears to be more clearly defined now. AllPurposeScientistblah 11:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - there is no epidemic of polio in Gaza, and none of the sources used in the article describe the situation as such.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Boston UnCommon (talk • contribs) 14:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis. There still appears to be a single case confirmed in reliable sources. The only group claiming an "epidemic" is the unreliable Gaza Health Ministry, and an "outbreak" of one can easily be contained in another article. Seeing that the article title has already been changed, I am revising my !vote to redirect. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- As stated above, Gaza humanitarian crisis is not a possible target article because it is not an article, it is a Redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- On the topic of which, should this discussion be moved to the current page name 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak? I don't know who moved it or when, but there don't seem to have been any objections to the name change and I don't object either, outbreak is what the sources say. FourPi (talk) 02:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a technicality. We could redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), which is what Gaza humanitarian crisis redirects to Boston UnCommon (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- As stated above, Gaza humanitarian crisis is not a possible target article because it is not an article, it is a Redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and expand - It is not a fork or redundant, it's a subtopic that needs expanding. We should also start a page with an overview of the multiple other infectious disease problems in Gaza that currently aren't covered much on other pages, if this needs merging it would be into that, but that currently doesn't exist. FourPi (talk) 02:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- You already voted once, why are you voting again? Boston UnCommon (talk) 13:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was relisted. Also, it's not a vote. FourPi (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- You already voted once, why are you voting again? Boston UnCommon (talk) 13:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move the content to draft for now and redirect the title to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). If there are more than a handful of additional cases reported, however, there should be an article at this title. I base this opinion on my own work as creator of articles including the 1916 New York City polio epidemic, 1990–1991 Philadelphia measles outbreak, 2018 United States adenovirus outbreak, 2019–2020 dengue fever epidemic, 2019 New York measles outbreak, and 2019 United States hepatitis A outbreak. BD2412 T 02:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Various reliable sources cover the topic extensively and directly so that it meets the requirement for notability and a standalone page is acceptable. A request to change the title is discussed and can be decided there. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is currently in the top two or three stories about the war on several news sites, all three that I've checked so far. FourPi (talk) 14:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: covered by reliable sources. Meets NEVENT/GNG. C F A 💬 00:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: as said by User:CFA and User:AllPurposeScientist. GunnarBonk (talk) 01:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Bahrain
- Abdulkarim Fardan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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Egypt
- Amir Eid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NMUSICBIO and WP:NACTOR. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Amina Sabri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG notability cannot be inherited from relatives. Theroadislong (talk) 14:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - the article talks about her husband and her family, but it is devoid of meaningful information about the subject herself. She was born, she went to school, and she died. There is no indication that she herself did anything noteworthy.--Gronk Oz (talk) 18:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Gronk Oz. -- Hoary (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: no indication of any notability, mostly mentions family members (WP:NOTGENEALOGY). Azarctic (talk) 01:22, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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Iran
- List of foreign footballers in the Persian Gulf Pro League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No sources, the sort of list that would be far better served by a category. Black Kite (talk) 18:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I did also want to AfD this for the same reasons. Delete per nom. Govvy (talk) 20:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Zero sources, impossible to WP:V. Svartner (talk) 22:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Doesn't even merit a specific category, beyond the 'league player' cat and the 'expatriate in country' cat. GiantSnowman 13:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Masoud Salavati-Niasari (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nominated per WP:NACADEMIC, some relevant information will follow in the comment below. Neodiprion demoides (talk) 23:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is a scholar in the field of chemistry / chemical engineering with excessive publication output (1084 items per Dimensions.ai, link requires login).
- There is a retraction for image concerns. 36 articles by Salavati-Niasari received comments on PubPeer, typically for image and content concerns. Neodiprion demoides (talk) 23:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, none of these asserts notability. Neodiprion demoides (talk) 23:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I am not going to support this BLP until an explanation is available for the unusual GS citation record and the retractions Xxanthippe (talk) 02:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Xxanthippe, I'd be curious what you make of what I found below in academic databases. This is definitely an odd situation outside the "norm" of already iffy measures of notability by citation metrics, but I just get more questions than answers as I dig. KoA (talk) 18:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: It seems to me that the subject has notability, albeit not verified by the references. If they have somehow falsified data (etc) and thus retracted papers, then that fact, if in sufficient volume, is likely to confer notability, also notoriety. This should be recorded in the very stubby article. Otherwise their papers appear at first sight to have sufficient citations themselves to qualify under WP:NACADEMIC. I note the comments in the link provided by the nom, and feel they may indicate 'lack of scientific rigour'. I leave this as a comment rather than a !vote because I do not feel able to reach a conclusion on this. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 07:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I propose to proceed with deletion at this time. One retraction is quite weak to imply notability / notoriety of the subject, and references to their PubPeer record are contestable through WP:NOR.
- If any significant number of retractions arrives in the future, then we will have a firm reason to restore the page. Neodiprion demoides (talk) 09:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- An academic scandal (falsified data, plagiarism, etc.) only contributes to notability in the Wikipedian sense of the word if that scandal has been covered by reliable sources. Think The Chronicle of Higher Education, Retraction Watch, the news sections of Science and Nature, and other sources of that type. XOR'easter (talk) 17:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm seeing a red flag with the citation counts here too and tried to do some poking around on more reliable databases like Scopus or Web of Science. At their peak, they somehow put out over 100 papers in a single year. In Scopus you can remove self-citations by the author and their co-authors, and this often removes about 1000 citations per year. There still appears to be citations that fall outside this category, but it does play a part.
- What's a bigger red flag for me is that they are last/corresponding author on 84% of papers, but first author only on 16% of papers checking Web of Science (apparently never a regular co-author/contributor). Maybe it's an irregular power structure thing at their university, but claiming corresponding editor on that many papers seems to suggest they are getting credit for work they didn't directly do beyond a typical corresponding author situation. At least in this case, I would say the citation metrics part of WP:NACADEMIC is not reliable standalone for notability, so I'd be inclined to say delete considering everything else I've seen here. KoA (talk) 18:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- In the last few years there has been a vast increase in citation gaming, see Research paper mill, which tends to bamboozle inexperienced editors. If in doubt Delete. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC).
- Delete. When there appears to be legitimate reason to call into question the subject's citation record, I think we must avoid reliance on WP:PROF#C1 as a notability criterion, but we have nothing else. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alaeddin Qassemi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The only sources for this WP:BLP1E refer to a stunt over five years ago where he claimed to have produced a water powered car - a claim which was, needless to say, never independently validated. Note the conspiracist language at the end. Water powered cars are, of course, impossible: it takes more energy to split hydrogen from oxygen than you get from the hydrogen, because the laws of thermodynamics are a thing. We can describe notable bollocks (see Agha Waqar's water-fuelled car), but we can't do it without reality-based sources, and the sources here are (a) not good and (b) not truly independent, since all reference the same stunt and take his claims at face value. It is inconceivable (and yes that word does mean what I think it means) that this would not have had ongoing coverage if it were genuine. And by "ongoing coverage", I mean at the very least an all expenses paid trip to Stockholm. In the end, this is just another instance of the water powered car hoax, with its attendant conspiracy theory. Any content online is always related back to the same initial stunt. Guy (help! - typo?) 11:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete. I'm seeing a lot of WP:PUFFERY in the article itself, so when I went to go look at sources, they looked pretty low quality, especially for the accolades that would have issues attributing notability. Like Guy alludes to, there are some independent coverage issues, and this ultimately doesn't reach WP:SUSTAINED coverage in depth needed for notability. I thought it was worth seeing if they could reach notability through WP:FRINGEN, but I'm not seeing that here either. KoA (talk) 18:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Government of Mohammad Mokhber (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Hello, after the death of Ebrahim Raisi, no new government has been formed in Iran and only Mohammad Mokhber, Ebrahim Raisi's deputy, temporarily headed the 13th cabinet until Masoud Pezeshkian won the 2024 election and became the president of Iran and formed the 14th cabinet. I must point out that the formation of the cabinet by Mohammad Mokhber was possible if he presented a list of proposed ministers to the Islamic Consultative Assembly and asked for a vote of confidence from the representatives, However, according to Iranian law, dismissal and vote of confidence in cabinet ministers are prohibited until the new president takes office. It should be noted that a similar page was created for this topic in Persian Wikipedia, which led to the deletion of that page in the request for deletion on June 8, 2024. Mihanyar (talk) 15:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Sayeye Penhan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NFILM in short. No critical reception whatsoever. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- "This article is about an Iranian film that was recorded in Iran according to the sources available in the article. If the article is lacking in content, it is likely that the user who created it did not have sufficient information and was unable to provide further edits. As you may have noticed, a 'stub' template has been added at the end of the article, indicating that editors are encouraged to help expand the article by adding more information. According to this procedure, the article needs more time to be completed. However, you have placed a deletion template on this article, which goes against the rules of English Wikipedia." 5.233.174.226 (talk) 16:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if you have no decent sourcing to start with, adding a stub template doesn't really help. Oaktree b (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No mentions in RS other than what's given; not seeing notability for this short film. I don't find any sourcing either. Oaktree b (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- A statement is made that is not logical. You say there are no sources, so what are the sources listed in the references section for? This has been officially announced as a certain type of film and has been screened as a cinematic movie in Iran and registered on IMDb. You shouldn't compare this article, which pertains to Iran, with an article related to the United States, because it was created by an editor who has limited knowledge about Iranian cinema, and this will be corrected over time with the help of other editors. Unfortunately, you made a hasty decision to delete this article, which is not logical and violates Wikipedia's rules. This article is still new and was created just a month ago, and a stub template has been added to allow editors to contribute, with credible sources also cited. 5.233.174.226 (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- This article, with its completed information, should remain on English Wikipedia and not be deleted, so that it can be improved and matured by editors.
- Thank you. 5.233.230.102 (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- We need to know that a topic is notable enough to merit an article first, instead of creating an article and waiting to see if editors find enough sources. However, the other option is always to set up a draft, which can be improved and moved back into the main article space once it's ready. hinnk (talk) 07:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- A statement is made that is not logical. You say there are no sources, so what are the sources listed in the references section for? This has been officially announced as a certain type of film and has been screened as a cinematic movie in Iran and registered on IMDb. You shouldn't compare this article, which pertains to Iran, with an article related to the United States, because it was created by an editor who has limited knowledge about Iranian cinema, and this will be corrected over time with the help of other editors. Unfortunately, you made a hasty decision to delete this article, which is not logical and violates Wikipedia's rules. This article is still new and was created just a month ago, and a stub template has been added to allow editors to contribute, with credible sources also cited. 5.233.174.226 (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- to stay: This article is about an Iranian film and is still in the early stages. It should be allowed to be edited. If the article has any issues, please help by editing and improving it rather than deleting the article altogether. With suggested edits from editors, this article can be strengthened, but deleting it would not be productive. This article should remain; otherwise, we would be violating Wikipedia's guidelines. Thank you.HistoryBuff98 (talk) 15:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryBuff98 (talk • contribs)
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to stay: The article has been updated with new sources that establish its notability and confirm the significance of the film according to Wikipedia's guidelines. The references are now comprehensive. This article should remain on English Wikipedia so that we, the editors, can continue to expand and improve it.HistoryBuff98 (talk) 15:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryBuff98 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- to stay: According to the sources, this article should stay in Wikipedia. This movie is about an Iranian movie that received high feedback and has many fans that people and viewers read about it on Wikipedia. This article has reliable sources that many news sites say about it. And because this is an Iranian article, it has been neglected, which needs time to reach maturity and become big and wide. In my opinion, this article should stay in English Wikipedia. Thanks to the administrators of English Wikipedia.5.233.224.246 (talk) 09:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kimia Alizadeh vs Nahid Kiani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article attempts to be a WP:SPINOFF from Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg but nothing that is mentioned here cannot be there. (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep I've added content and WP:RS that supports the article. This article is specific to not only an event within Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg, but also the prior tournament, the background and events surrounding the bout including the censorship, as well as reactions. Having all of this information placed within the Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg article is unbefitting and WP:UNDUE.--Ronnnaldo7 (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep The sources available are enough to have notability. As with any highly trending event at the Olympics, they should have their own article. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete Unnecessary WP:CFORK. The match is notworthy of a standalone page and any descent info can be easily be added to Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg. Lekkha Moun (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- As stated above, it would be WP:UNDUE to redirect/delete it as the article isn't just about the match, but also includes the prior match, the reactions, aftermath, censorship, etc., and the article is noteworthy with WP:RS.--Ronnnaldo7 (talk) 19:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as an unnecessary WP:CFORK, all of the content can be covered adequately elsewhere. Of the text in the article:
- The fact that it's a rematch of a 2020 match is somewhat trivial
Kiani won the silver medal, the latter being the first for an Iranian woman at the Olympics, surpassing Alizadeh's 2016 bronze feat
can be mentioned at her article and/or Iran at the 2024 Summer OlympicsWhile Kiani competed for the Iranian team, Alizadeh competed for the Bulgarian team after having represented the Refugee Olympic Team at the 2020 Summer Olympics, and Iran at the 2016 Summer Olympics where she became the first Iranian female medalist at the Olympics.
can be covered in Kiani's article and the relevant "Team X at the Y Summer Olympics" articles.Alizadeh became Bulgaria's first-ever taekwondo competitor at the Olympics, and won Bulgaria's first medal in Olympic taekwondo
can be mentioned at Bulgaria at the 2024 Summer Olympics.- "Aftermath" section can be mentioned in either the event article, this can be added to Concerns and controversies at the 2024 Summer Olympics.
In summary, none of this content needs a separate spinoff article for one match. And there is no one sensible merge target. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Excellent summation by Joseph2302. I do believe this does not deserve its own WP article as is seems like WP:NOTNEWS. I do think there's material there that can be put into existing articles--especially since they're both individually notable. I'm just not sure where the best fit is for all the information. Papaursa (talk) 14:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Iran Proposed deletions
- Standardized Patient (via WP:PROD on 29 January 2024)
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- Aqua Security (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:NORG: the article is entirely a list of acquisitions and funding rounds, referenced to trivial coverage ("inclusion in lists of similar organizations" and "of the expansions, acquisitions, mergers, sale, or closure of the business"). No significant coverage. Dan • ✉ 22:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Article really is littered with funding rounds. No coverage exclusively to the company in sources. Niashervin (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP. The only coverage I can find is the one Wired article cited in the article. C F A 💬 23:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Folded without leaving a mark. Regardless, insufficient information is provided for an article. gidonb (talk) 02:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, fails all notability guidelines. Ednabrenze (talk) 03:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, no coverage found in WP:RS beyond what's on the page already, which is not adequate.49ersBelongInSanFrancisco (talk) 06:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Marius Nacht (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. Never been referenced as a BLP since it was created. No indication of significance. scope_creepTalk 22:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Tagging in Atbannett, who contested the PROD. Atbannett, "he's a billionaire" won't go far as an argument here, but if you can provide some evidence of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources (see WP:GNG for more explanation), that's what we're looking for. -- asilvering (talk) 04:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:PROD, should never have been prodded as the deletion is not uncontroversial! (the bold is in the source) gidonb (talk) 04:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You can tell that to the editor who proposed it, if you like. -- asilvering (talk) 04:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:PROD, should never have been prodded as the deletion is not uncontroversial! (the bold is in the source) gidonb (talk) 04:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Israeli engineer, entrepreneur, and billionaire with a biography in The Marker financial daily, written by journalist Itamar Cohen. This biography is SIGCOV. It was not just added so the intro does not hold water. In addition, there is an impressive list of references at Hewiki, just one click away. gidonb (talk) 04:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Gidonb, do you have evidence to say that he is notable, not the usual "he must be notable" as he is a billionaire. WP:THREE sources since that is the standard. Not paid for puff pieces. Independent secondary sourcing. The article has never been referenced since it was created? scope_creepTalk 06:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I never do "must be notable" so your question does not make any sense. The reference in the article is not a paid for puff piece. In fact all three references are RS. The TheMarker reference is the best. It's an independent biography (just like our article), in the financial newspaper of Israel's newspaper of record. You wrote
Never been referenced as a BLP since it was created. No indication of significance.
That's not serious. Your reaction, again, is not serious. We deserve better than that. gidonb (talk) 13:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- I'm as serious as I possibly can. Lets look at the references:
- Looking at the HU wikipedia references:
- Oh, I never do "must be notable" so your question does not make any sense. The reference in the article is not a paid for puff piece. In fact all three references are RS. The TheMarker reference is the best. It's an independent biography (just like our article), in the financial newspaper of Israel's newspaper of record. You wrote
- Gidonb, do you have evidence to say that he is notable, not the usual "he must be notable" as he is a billionaire. WP:THREE sources since that is the standard. Not paid for puff pieces. Independent secondary sourcing. The article has never been referenced since it was created? scope_creepTalk 06:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
That is first 7 references on the hu wikipedia and there is nothing there that satisfies WP:BIO. So there is no WP:THREE references that show he is notable. I've got a vpn. I'll see if I can see those 403's and the marker reference. scope_creepTalk 14:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- See reaction below your comment. Reacting to all claims together. gidonb (talk) 14:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I managed to view The Marker, the ref in article and one of the two 403 that were blocked in the he wikipedia. The third one was paywalled as it caught up. The first one is a X of Y who is the richest list with Nacht worth 3.5billion. Doesn't inspire confidence to call it biography. Call it what it, probably a self-written profile by his publicist, light on detail. It doesn't meet the requirement on WP:BLP "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". The second one is not much better. All these fail WP:SIGCOV. scope_creepTalk 14:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- These two biographies (link1 and link2) are by themselves more than sufficient to meet the General Notability Guideline. The claim that there is no identification of significance is clearly unfounded. This individual is a recognized businessman. For businesspeople, billionaire status inherently signals a level of significance far beyond that of owning two corner stores. Given the complete lack of merit in the opposing argument, perhaps consider withdrawing? gidonb (talk) 19:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, He's a highly prominent businessman, co founder of Check Point, with extensive press coverage. For example, see [7] [8] [9] [10] . Whizkin (talk) 18:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This nomination ranks high among the more ridiculous AfDs. Subject is very obviously notable and the references are in the article and nearby to show that. Nothing in the intro is correct. It looks as if it was written for another article, then the wrong article was nominated. gidonb (talk) 21:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are only three references in the article at present, two of which are not about him at all. It's hardly fair to call this "among the more ridiculous AfDs", whatever you think of the notability of the subject. -- asilvering (talk) 22:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:NEXIST: Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. The bold is in the source, so we will not miss it! gidonb (talk) 22:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There is coverage of this person [11], [12], and [13] are coverage about his activities, not so much about the person himself. I don't see much coverage in the article, the source analysis of the new sources above seems about right, just enough in RS. Oaktree b (talk) 00:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Oaktree b! Just like we carry Nacht's biography, two reliable sources do the same. These are comprehensive sources on the person. The links are: biography1 and biography2. gidonb (talk) 02:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I edited the article so now it has
78 sources. Please check again. Whizkin (talk) 05:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Arie Hershcovich (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I cannot find independent sources with significant coverage suitable to meet WP:NBASIC, and I cannot find evidence to pass WP:ANYBIO or WP:NPROF. I have looked under both the article name and "Arie Hershkowitz", the name given on the CV in reference 1. Mgp28 (talk) 06:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. His name is אריה הרשקוביץ. Most of his research is under Arie Herscovici, with other sources under Arie Hershcovich and Arie Hershkowitz. אריה has many spellings as well but hopefully that part is more consistent for this Arie. gidonb (talk) 11:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for this. Using "Arie Herscovici" I'm still not seeing enough independent coverage to make me think the article meets the appropriate notability criteria. An attempt at using his name in Hebrew with Google Translate seemed to bring up news stories about people with the same name who are not him, but I will be interested to know if there are sources in Hebrew that show notability. Mgp28 (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both names are fairly common. Hershkowitz is the status quo name in English, French, and German. Herșcovici is the Romanian spelling. gidonb (talk) 23:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yehuda Tagar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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BLP without any demonstration of notability. It was tagged by Klbrain with a PROD in April 2024; the PROD was objected to with some discussion of improving it. Fast forward to August 2024 and nothing has changed. No proof of notability so nominated for deletion. Ldm1954 (talk) 10:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete; doesn't meet WP:NACADEMIC and there seems to be no interest from editors in the alternative proposal on using the text as a core for an article on psychophonetics. Yehuda Tagar seems to be a practitioner who frames his practice as an institute, but doesn't seem to be recognized expert in the discipline. The references all support psychophonetics as a topic, but not Tagar. Google scholar shows about 3 publications from Tagar. The page seems promotional. Klbrain (talk) 10:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Psychology can be a very high-citation field but he has very low citation counts, so he does not pass WP:PROF#C1. And heading organizations might only be cause for notability if those organizations themselves are notable independently from the subject, for which we have no evidence. The claim to have founded psychophonetics is made implausible by Google Scholar searching which finds the term to be used for subjects related to psychoacoustics going back to the 19th century and Jan Baudouin de Courtenay. Perhaps Tagar uses it in a different sense but that other meaning seems to be the more common one. So I tend to agree with the comment mentioned by Klbrain that retargeting rather than deletion might be a bad idea. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Regular professional at work. Nothing wrong with that but it does not make one encyclopedic. I have give or take 3 scientific publications and am definitely not notable! The primary is needed for a notable Yehuda Tagar who was a Mossad agent. Just died at the ripe age 100.[14] gidonb (talk) 15:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Ubuy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable company article. Indian sources are not useful per WP:RSNOI. Veldsenk (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Can only find routine coverage unhelpful for notability per WP:ORGTRIV and obviously sponsored posts. C F A 💬 23:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I agree, the article does not currently carry any meaningful or important content to be covered on Wikipedia as of yet. Once the are notable or important media coverage from independent and reliable sources, not paid promotional articles, the article can be requested for retrieve from the deleted articles by anyone with sufficient reason, notability and reliable sources coverage, if no one request for the article to be retrieved, it means the is no value for the article to be covered on Wikipedia.
- Vote: Delete Dwaynemoony (talk) 06:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not the one who created this article, but I was one of the editors who completely rewrote the article and included a string of international media sources (which are used in extremely large numbers in other articles). After much discussion and recommendations I kept only the notable sources which are certainly sufficient to keep the article. Also, being a globally known platform, I would be of the opinion that it can be present on wikipedia. Being a related platform to Temu which is even newer in the market it is already present in wikipedia.
I want to mention that I have nothing to do with this topic!--DanikS88 (talk) 13:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Project Kuwait (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't see that the article meets the notability policy; it's just a plan and has not been implemented in reality.-- فيصل (talk) 14:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Petroleum industry in Kuwait, which was partially sourced with a link to the Central Intelligence Agency. Written the same year as this one, it's much more clear and concise about the subject matter. — Maile (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Lebanon
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Recreation of a deleted article following this AfD. Apparently because the wording and WP:REFBOMBS are different, it cannot be a G4 speedy... Non-notable, just as it was a month and a bit ago, with WP:REFBOMBS and no establishment of WP:GNG. Just because retired players are taking part, doesn't mean notability is inherited. Coverage within the refbombs is routine. AA (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Remah Naji (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
Apparently a political candidate at an upcoming federal election in Australia. I can't see that there is significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources and doesn't meet WP:NPOL. TarnishedPathtalk 12:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete there simply isn't enough press coverage to keep this article along with the fact that he hasn't been elected yet. The only notability he really has is as a candidate and a grassroots organiser. None of which are generally acceptable for notability and articles simply on unelected candidates are generally struck-down. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 13:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. It was clearly written for self-promotion. She is not yet a public figure and not a politician. All of the attached references also seem to be somewhat self-reported and most of the sources seem insufficient. She is not an academic despite some references to her being an 'educator' and WP:NPOL states "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline." 2001:8003:6DE4:E800:2414:EC58:4584:986F (talk) 00:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: What do you mean "apparently"? They're in the Sydney Morning Herald, The Guardian, Women's Agenda, and on Serious Danger within a week of their announcement. Stop trying to use process to remove women's polticial history. User:Monjento|Monjento 23:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or draftify: This and this are fairly in-depth but there isn't much outside of that. Political candidates are always going to have some coverage so this isn't enough to overcome NPOL and meet WP:NBASIC. I would support a draftification that can be reverted if she wins the election. C F A 💬 00:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's your subjective opinion? Why are you targetting removing the history of a women of colour, who is a refugee, from a minority party contesting a seat that is marginal? Monjento (talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Key word there is "marginal", meaning it's not that important. Woman of color isn't notable alone; if she wins the election, she would be notable. Paying a fee to register as a candidate doesn't get you an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- No that's not what marginal means in this context. In Australian politics, when a seat is marginal it means that it's the one to watch because of it's signficance and likelihood to change. Monjento (talk) 01:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- So she's notable for being a candidate of colour? That doesn't get you an article either, people of all colours and creeds run in elections, everywhere. Oaktree b (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- No that's not what marginal means in this context. In Australian politics, when a seat is marginal it means that it's the one to watch because of it's signficance and likelihood to change. Monjento (talk) 01:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Key word there is "marginal", meaning it's not that important. Woman of color isn't notable alone; if she wins the election, she would be notable. Paying a fee to register as a candidate doesn't get you an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's your subjective opinion? Why are you targetting removing the history of a women of colour, who is a refugee, from a minority party contesting a seat that is marginal? Monjento (talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I don't see her meeting WP:NPOL as a political candidate. It is irrelevant that she is a woman of colour, refugee or from a minority party. She needs to meet WP:BIO which she doesn't. LibStar (talk) 00:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Again, this is another comment that is subjective of whether the WP:BIO or WP:NPOL. Neither say how many articles are required.
- It is relevant to consider those demographics in the context of the Wikipedia projects to ensure that women's history isn't erased. This is signficant in Australia, which I note that you're not from. Monjento (talk) 01:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- How do you know that I am in or not in Australia? LibStar (talk) 05:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Running for office isn't notable, being from this country or that country doesn't affect notability here. Career is non-notable outside of the political run. The sources used are articles about getting to know the candidate, rather routine. She's only running in a place with 100,000 folks, which is rather tiny on a national scale. Could be notable if and when elected, just TOOSOON at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 00:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is Australia. All of our electorates are this size. This comment is devoid from the reality of the Australian poltical landscape. Monjento (talk) 01:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- 100k is tiny in a country with millions, you're about the same as Canada for pete's sake Oaktree b (talk) 04:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- She isn't even scheduled to run in an election, she's only a declared future candidate. She paid a fee and got her name added on a list. The election hasn't been called and we don't know when it will, there is no by-election happening. She's barely even a candidate at this point; IF an election gets called AND she's still interested, she'll be on the ballot. Please read CRYSTALBALL, as that helps understand why she's not yet notable (and may or may not ever be at this point). This person may be notable at some point in the future, if an election happens... Too many if's and but's to keep the article at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 20:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Naji's significance lies in her representation of three issues of great significance in Australia especially as there will be a federal election by May 2025. Last weekend's election in the Northern Territory resulted in a very large swing against the party of the current federal government, and towards the Greens. The high level of national discontent with the Labor government over environmental policy, women's issues, and the current situation in Gaza, mmeans that Naji is in a position of overlap. Her electorate of Moreton is one of the most winnable seats for the Greens in the 2025 federal election. Australia is a middle power, and our political landscape will have an impact on our regional and international policies. Naji is an important political figure to watch. Paperbarkk (talk) 02:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC) — Paperbarkk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- That's very much what TOOSOON covers, she isn't notable now, but might be in the future. Oaktree b (talk) 12:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NPOL. The article can be recreated if she is elected. Cullen328 (talk) 02:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:NPOL pretty clearly. The sources we have are rather routine in their coverage for the most part, focus on just stating who the candidate is (WP:ROUTINE coverage), or lack the depth to be of significance towards meeting notability guidelines. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:24, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as this fails WP:NPOL. If candidate wins election, then page should be created. Ktkvtsh (talk) 02:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify If she wins office, she'll meet NPOL and the draft can be edited and submitted via AfC or moved to mainspace. If she doesn't, the draft will probably languish and eventually be deleted. I'm not seeing a compelling reason to delete; the article has some NPOV issues but it's pretty easily salvageable. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Off-topic discussion about socking that can be discussed in the thread at ANI. Also a reminder to keep things civil. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, clear NPOL failure. The suggestion made above that my colleagues are "trying to use process to remove women's polticial history" is ridiculous and offensive, and should be struck or explicitly withdrawn. Daniel (talk) 07:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify. Has potential as a major-party candidate in a winnable seat, but not ready for mainspace until notability is more firmly established (i.e. election victory or exceptional coverage of her campaign). Existing sources are more or less routine election coverage or represent coverage of broader pro-Palestine activism rather than being "about" Naji herself. I T B F 💬 08:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- If it's draftified the editor would likely move it straight back to mainspace, like they did after it was draftified by an admin and then rejected by an AFC reviewer. See my comment below for details. TarnishedPathtalk 09:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then it would get speedied. No harm, no foul. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- If it's draftified the editor would likely move it straight back to mainspace, like they did after it was draftified by an admin and then rejected by an AFC reviewer. See my comment below for details. TarnishedPathtalk 09:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:
- On 16/08/2024 with the edit at Special:Diff/1240636409 Deb moved Remah Naji to draft with edit summary "Deb moved page Remah Naji to Draft:Remah Naji without leaving a redirect: Move to draftspace (WP:DRAFTIFY): nowhere near ready for article space".
- Deb notified Monjento on their talk at Special:Diff/1240636897.
- On 17/08/2024 Monjento submitted the article to AFC with edit Special:Diff/1240645572.
- On 17/08/2024 the article was rejected by an AFC reviewer at Special:Diff/1240651098 with them leaving edit summary "*Declining submission: bio - Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines (AFCH)".
- On 17/08/2024 Monjento, despite the article being rejected by AFC, moved it to mainspace at Special:Diff/1240708788.
- The next edit at Special:Diff/1240708996 Monjento removed the AFC templates, including a comment left by the AFC reviewer, and left a personal attack in their edit summary writing "Removed the editorialised and uneducated opinion of someone that does not live in Australia".TarnishedPathtalk 09:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This [15] is a brief article about the individual, which seems to largely mirror the prose used here for some reason. It doesn't really show notability outside of the political run, which is the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 12:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There is no by-election scheduled in Division of Moreton anytime soon, and an election hasn't been called in Australia and doesn't seem to be scheduled until 2025. According to WP:POLOUTCOMES, candidates for political office are rarely, if ever, notable enough to meet wikipedia notability guidelines. If Naji is elected to Parliament, then she would be notable. Bkissin (talk) 16:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- So there's not even an election happening soon? Why are we debating this then, "someone who has an intention to run at some future point in the next 18 mths in a yet uncalled election", isn't notable. Her career is rather routine otherwise and would not pass GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. People do not get articles just for being named as candidates in future elections — the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable office, not running for one, and as yet unelected candidates get articles only if they can demonstrate that either (a) they were already notable enough for an article for some other reason independently of being named as a candidate, or (b) they can demonstrate a credible reason why their candidacy should be seen as a special case of significantly greater notability than everybody else's candidacies. But neither of those are on offer here.
Also, unelected candidates are not exempted from NPOL just because they can show some evidence of campaign coverage — every candidate in every election everywhere can always show some evidence of campaign coverage, so if campaign coverage were all it took to exempt a candidate from NPOL then every candidate would always get that exemption and NPOL itself would be meaningless and unenforceable. So a candidate only becomes notable if she passes one of the two tests I noted above. And a candidate is also not exempted from NPOL just because she's female: as important as "women's political history" is, it does not require us to maintain biographical articles about every woman who ever ran as a candidate in an election she didn't win. Bearcat (talk) 15:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)- Well said, thank you. Oaktree b (talk) 01:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- 2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Basically a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of Gaza humanitarian crisis.
More importantly, off all the given sources, only a single one (The National) uses the term "epidemic" in its own voice, with 2 more quoting the Gaza Health Ministry's declaration of an epidemic. RS hasn't been using the term epidemic (probably because as of now there haven't been any confirmed cases yet. There are strong fears of a coming epidemic, and polio has been found in the sewage, but thankfully no infections). At the very least the article needs to be considerably shortened, and name changed to "Polio discoveries" or something. Violates Crystal Ball. It's also not being (significantly) covered by RS on its own, but rather as part of the broader crisis. Hydromania (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - Wouldn't be opposed to recreating the article later if more sources begin to call the Polio issue an epidemic, but a redirect would suffice for right now. Jdcomix (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Deleteper nom. Redirecting the current title if the term "epidemic" is not being used by multiple reliable sources would violate WP:NDESC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)- Merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. My first impression is that we should probably redirect. Now to read with care... Yeah, merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move or merge. There are plenty of reliable sources with significant coverage, so deleting it isn’t warranted. If kept, a move or rename to 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak or the like would be appropriate. I don’t oppose the merger, however the main article could get filled with a lot of more important and less important trivia; see what happened at one time to Palestinian law. Bearian (talk)
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- keep - and expand. Could be broadened to "infectious diseases outbreaks" instead of just polio, but it warrants its own coverage separate from starvation and other issues. FourPi (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- keep per https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/8/16/israel-war-on-gaza-live-children-killed-in-israeli-attack-on-jabalia-camp, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/16/un-chief-calls-for-polio-pause-in-gaza-war-to-tackle-virus and FourPi. Pachu Kannan (talk) 02:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- That Al Jazeera article does not use the term "Polio Epidemic" in its own voice. Hydromania (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Gaza humanitarian crisis is a redirect (it should appear as a green link) so it won't be possible to redirect or merge to it. So you might want to look at ITS target article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - and rename article without using the term 'epidemic', as there is no metric that describes a cluster of three cases as an epidemic. My preference is to use the term 'cases' or 'outbreak' as per Bearian's reasoning and suggestion on 16 August 2024 immediately before AfD was relisted. AllPurposeScientistblah 11:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I should add that I generally agree with the original reasoning 2 weeks ago, but the situation appears to be more clearly defined now. AllPurposeScientistblah 11:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - there is no epidemic of polio in Gaza, and none of the sources used in the article describe the situation as such.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Boston UnCommon (talk • contribs) 14:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis. There still appears to be a single case confirmed in reliable sources. The only group claiming an "epidemic" is the unreliable Gaza Health Ministry, and an "outbreak" of one can easily be contained in another article. Seeing that the article title has already been changed, I am revising my !vote to redirect. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- As stated above, Gaza humanitarian crisis is not a possible target article because it is not an article, it is a Redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- On the topic of which, should this discussion be moved to the current page name 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak? I don't know who moved it or when, but there don't seem to have been any objections to the name change and I don't object either, outbreak is what the sources say. FourPi (talk) 02:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a technicality. We could redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), which is what Gaza humanitarian crisis redirects to Boston UnCommon (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- As stated above, Gaza humanitarian crisis is not a possible target article because it is not an article, it is a Redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and expand - It is not a fork or redundant, it's a subtopic that needs expanding. We should also start a page with an overview of the multiple other infectious disease problems in Gaza that currently aren't covered much on other pages, if this needs merging it would be into that, but that currently doesn't exist. FourPi (talk) 02:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- You already voted once, why are you voting again? Boston UnCommon (talk) 13:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was relisted. Also, it's not a vote. FourPi (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- You already voted once, why are you voting again? Boston UnCommon (talk) 13:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move the content to draft for now and redirect the title to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). If there are more than a handful of additional cases reported, however, there should be an article at this title. I base this opinion on my own work as creator of articles including the 1916 New York City polio epidemic, 1990–1991 Philadelphia measles outbreak, 2018 United States adenovirus outbreak, 2019–2020 dengue fever epidemic, 2019 New York measles outbreak, and 2019 United States hepatitis A outbreak. BD2412 T 02:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Various reliable sources cover the topic extensively and directly so that it meets the requirement for notability and a standalone page is acceptable. A request to change the title is discussed and can be decided there. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is currently in the top two or three stories about the war on several news sites, all three that I've checked so far. FourPi (talk) 14:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: covered by reliable sources. Meets NEVENT/GNG. C F A 💬 00:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: as said by User:CFA and User:AllPurposeScientist. GunnarBonk (talk) 01:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Legends League Cricket (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Recreation of a deleted article following this AfD. Apparently because the wording and WP:REFBOMBS are different, it cannot be a G4 speedy... Non-notable, just as it was a month and a bit ago, with WP:REFBOMBS and no establishment of WP:GNG. Just because retired players are taking part, doesn't mean notability is inherited. Coverage within the refbombs is routine. AA (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Elias Khoury Sleman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't find that he meets the notability policy; I couldn't find any sources. فيصل (talk) 20:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Bishops of major denominations have generally been considered to be notable. See WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. Catholic Bishop, but better sourcing is certainly desirable. Eluchil404 (talk) 21:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Skanderbeg's Serbian campaign (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Essentially a recreation of an article that was already deleted, just under a different title. See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kosovo Raid (1448) (2nd nomination).
Needless to say the same issues persist. There is passing mention in sources of Skanderbeg ravaging Serbian towns as punishment for Brankovic's alleged actions, and that is the only thing that is referenced; the rest of the article is unsourced and it's likely WP:OR as well. Nothing in reliable sources about a significant "expedition" or "campaign" beyond the aforementioned incident, let alone the article topic meeting WP:NEVENT and WP:GNG. Griboski (talk) 16:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm not completely sure because the creator essentially took that "raid" event and turned into a broader "expedition" but the only thing that's verifiable and sourced is that raid. It seems it was just copied from the listing at List of wars involving Albania. I put it up for speedy deletion a couple of days ago but there was no admin action. So I figured it might be best to list it at AfD. --Griboski (talk) 17:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Neo-romantic nonsense; of little relevance to the free encyclopedia. — Sadko (words are wind) 17:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as per nom. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Kartal Anatolian High School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I did a search and this seems not to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 19:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Procedural keep: While I acknowledge that high school articles are not automatically notable, there is a community consensus that a good faith WP:BEFORE that includes some print resources or local newspapers is needed, per this RfC. This is especially important given the underrepresentation of high schools from the non-English-speaking parts of the world on the English Wikipedia. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 23:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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I did a search and this seems not to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Speedy redirect to Turkey at the European Athletics Championships. Geschichte (talk) 07:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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I did a search and this seems not to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge into USATC S200 Class. No reason to have a second article just for the Turkish members of this locomotive class. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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I did a search and this seems not to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Turkish article also has no sources so I am not sure this is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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I did a search and this does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Tagged uncited since 2017 I don’t see what is notable about this short road Chidgk1 (talk) 18:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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I did a search and it does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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I did a search and it does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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I did a search and it does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Although some Anatolian High Schools are notable, from searching for sources I think this is not Chidgk1 (talk) 14:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Found [16][17][18]. Probably not enough to meet GNG. Most coverage of schools is from when they were built and thus likely offline. C F A 💬 18:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I would say almost all Anatolian High Schools established in the early 90s or before and required entrance exams are very likely to be notable, especially in metropolitan cities like Ankara. They were extremely hard to get in via the nationwide admission tests. Many sources covering them would be offline, unfortunately. This particular school seems also notable because it was the first such school founded by the National Lottery Administration. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 19:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Turns out the name of the school has changed in 2012, following 2011 Van Earthquakes. The new name is Betül Can Anadolu Lisesi. One needs to be in the top 3.75% of the participants in order to be placed into this school. I am pretty sure this was much tougher in the pre-1997 era, when there were fewer Anatolian High Schools and the placement was done after 5th grade, so they did not have to compete with Science High Schools. This itself does not bring notability, I know, but it significantly increases the likelihood of coverage in reliable sources. E.g., here is a news story about a success of their students. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 01:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The new name may lead to sources that show notability, but qualitative statements about the school, even if sourced, really have nothing to do with notability in the way the term is used on Wikipedia 4.37.252.50 (talk) 03:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Turns out the name of the school has changed in 2012, following 2011 Van Earthquakes. The new name is Betül Can Anadolu Lisesi. One needs to be in the top 3.75% of the participants in order to be placed into this school. I am pretty sure this was much tougher in the pre-1997 era, when there were fewer Anatolian High Schools and the placement was done after 5th grade, so they did not have to compete with Science High Schools. This itself does not bring notability, I know, but it significantly increases the likelihood of coverage in reliable sources. E.g., here is a news story about a success of their students. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 01:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fasl-ı Cedid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Probably need a native speaker to figure out whether this is notable from sources such as http://bodrumkoro.org/cevdetcagla.html Chidgk1 (talk) 17:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: I was able to find sources like [19] and [20] that mention the subject; also many other reliable sources point out that Santuri Hilmi Bey, the person considered to be the representative of this musical ensemble (or style) is the grandfather of the composer of the current Turkish national anthem, Osman Zeki Üngör. I believe there is a plausible potential to find more sources if we could search the offline archives or books, based on the references given for the subject in these kinds of academic papers. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Gölcük Plateau (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I found a cite https://izmir.ktb.gov.tr/EN-348122/picnic-spots.html but that seems to be İzmir not Konya Chidgk1 (talk) 16:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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There are several uncited articles about dams - is there any specific guidance on how to tell whether a dam is notable? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - FYI, List of dams and reservoirs in Turkey (whichi includes this one) all seem to be created by User:Starzynka who has been blocked as a prolific sock creator, abusing multiple accounts. I don't know of any guide that mentions how to deal with this, but I would have no problem if there were some way to delete all of the damns on this user's list. — Maile (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Turkish Informatics Olympiad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged uncited for 15 years and does not exist on Turkish Vikipedi. If it is notable maybe some competitors or former competitors could cite this? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- For reference: I think relevant trwiki article is this: tr:Ulusal Bilim Olimpiyatları Tehonk (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks I have linked Chidgk1 (talk) 14:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are propably enough sources. But in Turkish, unfortunatly. Luhanopi (talk) 19:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- All the sources in the Turkish article are Türkiye Bilimsel ve Teknolojik Araştırma Kurumu Chidgk1 (talk) 15:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you would like to cite Turkish sources that would be great Chidgk1 (talk) 15:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Süleyman Şefik Pasha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Surprisingly the Turkish article also has no sources. As a fair number of Turkish editors are interested in history I thought better to open for discussion rather than “prod”. Is he notable? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:BIO. Just here to advertise his business. Refs are profiles. scope_creepTalk 07:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, United Arab Emirates, and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)