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Wouldn't it be better to tag the link in the article, rather than notify via user's Talk?
I confess I've only looked over this Talk, and the main project page, only superficially so perhaps this suggestion has been fully ventilted already -- if so my apologies. The disambiguation project is important, and I complement you guys on your bravery, seeing as I do a post announcing a push to get 701,850 down to 700,000 "this week" (if I recall correctly) -- hmmm, let's see, at that rate... all other things being equal... only 7 years! :) Anyway...
Instead of adding a notice to the Talk page of the user who adds a link to a dabpage, wouldn't be better to add {{Disambiguate}} to the link itself? It's almost certain that the editor who added the link has the article on his watchlist, and will see the bot's adding of the link. The bot's edit summary could be something like "Tagging link(s) pointing to disambiguation pages. Please modify such links to point to a specific" etc etc. In addition to not cluttering up user's Talk pages, this would bring more eyes onto the need for disambiguation.
On the other hand it could be argued that the editor who first added the link, not knowing it needed disambiguation, is probably the best person to do the disambiguation, and so the current notification, being narrowly focused on that one editor, makes more sense. But for myself I'd rather see it on my watchlist than get the "You have new messages on your talkpage notification" and so on.
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents. EEng (talk) 15:44, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Although it would be nice if every user who edited any article would also keep that article on their watchlist, I think your assumption that it is "almost certain" that they actually do so is extremely unrealistic. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Russ. Experience has taught us that placing a tag on the page itself seldom draws the attention of the person who made the link, and that person is the one most likely to know the correct disambiguation term to apply. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'm begging to think that's right. Actually, this would be a great opportunity for one of the WP research experiments: randomly (a) template user's Talk; (b) add {{Disambiguate}} to the specific point in the article; or (c) both -- and which treatment gets the best response. Anyway, keep up the good work! EEng (talk) 21:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Discussed briefly at Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 43#Disambiguation bot for talk page messages (dewiki way). I also tested a distinct graphical button (still needs to be undeleted) instead of a link on a few hundred pages. Which was easier for newbies, but didn't attract many watchers. Watchlists can on enwiki can be summarized as: The more active editors is, the closer to watchlist bankruptcy they are. And while I could create a watchlist pruning tool (from watchlist points), nobody has a good method of deciding what to prune :-(. — Dispenser 08:19, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'm begging to think that's right. Actually, this would be a great opportunity for one of the WP research experiments: randomly (a) template user's Talk; (b) add {{Disambiguate}} to the specific point in the article; or (c) both -- and which treatment gets the best response. Anyway, keep up the good work! EEng (talk) 21:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Russ. Experience has taught us that placing a tag on the page itself seldom draws the attention of the person who made the link, and that person is the one most likely to know the correct disambiguation term to apply. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Figaro
Clearly the primary topic for Figaro is the character, so should it redirect to The Barber of Seville (play)#The character of Figaro (none of the other works have a similar section) or should it be a stand-alone article? Note that Figaro (character in operas and plays) was merged to the various plays/operas. TimBentley (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think that there should be a stand-alone article on this character. The character crosses multiple works within a series, and has been portrayed by an enormous range of actors. bd2412 T 22:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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- I realize that this is a few months late, but now that I'm looking at it, you are both absolutely right - the dramatic character should have his own article. Figaro (character in operas and plays) should be un-merged, and most of the dablinks should be pointed to it. Nick Number (talk) 14:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Disambiguations for discussion
Since someone has seen fit to tag Wikipedia:Disambiguations for discussion for deletion, I'd like to revive the discussion about having a single forum for discussion proposed de-disambiguation, redirection, or other disputes involving the status of disambiguation pages, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Wikipedia:Disambiguations for discussion. Cheers! bd2412 T 00:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
A Simple request
Well, Toolserver is in a shambles, and will likely continue to be so for days. I'm very worried that this won't be straightened out before the end of the month. If so, the current standings will end up being the final ones, and I'll have to delay the start of next month's contest. That's the bad news.
The good news is, I've got a fun diversion from this outage. Turns out, although EN Wiki is swamped with replag, Simple EN Wiki is doing fine - no replag at all. Per a couple of requests, I've created a pared-down version of my scripts to run on Simple English Wikipedia. No contest, mind you, but at least the lists can actually be updated.
You can find the list of Toolserver reports at our doppelganger page simple:WP:DPL.
There are a couple of things that make disambig work on Simple EN Wiki attractive to me:
- This has never been done before; today is the very beginning of their disambiguation project. That means very, very easy pickings.
- They have only 1,236 disambiguation pages with links. A trifle! So it's possible we could finish off their disambigs in a matter of days.
So check it out! Might as well while we're in downtime. Cheers, --JaGatalk 20:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- Can we let "this month's" contest run until the toolserver is up again, so that we get more inclusive numbers for the contest, and then have a shorter contest for the rest of April? bd2412 T 18:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Speaking as an outsider for this month's contest, I'm fine with that. PhnomPencil talk contribs 03:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think that's a good idea. I could do it easily enough, although there may be some date glitches here and there. Eternal March it is, then - assuming Russ is OK with it. --JaGatalk 05:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I can stop the bot that normally generates the new Top 500 list on April 1 from running, but we'll have to manually edit WP:DPL to continue transcluding the March list for the time being; also, the first-of-the-month is hard-coded in the scripts, so The Daily Disambig will still report the progress of fixing April links. When we do start the April competition, I'll probably have to fix the script manually to allow for a non-standard starting date. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think that's a good idea. I could do it easily enough, although there may be some date glitches here and there. Eternal March it is, then - assuming Russ is OK with it. --JaGatalk 05:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Speaking as an outsider for this month's contest, I'm fine with that. PhnomPencil talk contribs 03:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
The project page is now showing that replag is down to six days, but the numbers are not reflecting any change at all. bd2412 T 21:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Which project page? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, both the leaderboard on this project page and the toolserver project page. bd2412 T 23:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, well, the leaderboard says "This list was last updated March 25, 23:49 UTC. Replication lag is 6 days 2 hours 34 minutes." Which is exactly what it has said ever since, let's see, March 25 at 23:49 UTC. :-) However, sometime in the last three hours, the new replica database on Toolserver became active, which means that the actual replag is down to about two and a half days, and dropping. The leaderboard and JaGa's other Toolserver pages won't change, though, until he runs his scripts again, which I hope will be soon. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Odd. My last counted edit for the leaderboard was March 19. We will see what happens when it happens. Does this mean we'll be starting the April contest once JaGa runs his scripts? bd2412 T 02:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, well, the leaderboard says "This list was last updated March 25, 23:49 UTC. Replication lag is 6 days 2 hours 34 minutes." Which is exactly what it has said ever since, let's see, March 25 at 23:49 UTC. :-) However, sometime in the last three hours, the new replica database on Toolserver became active, which means that the actual replag is down to about two and a half days, and dropping. The leaderboard and JaGa's other Toolserver pages won't change, though, until he runs his scripts again, which I hope will be soon. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, both the leaderboard on this project page and the toolserver project page. bd2412 T 23:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Looks like they've done something to PHP on Toolserver that destroys all of my reports - the command include_once no longer works as it once did. I've asked about it at the Toolserver mailing lists; if I don't get an answer by tomorrow I'll just remove the commands so the scripts will display. The data seems fine, although I didn't take a close look at the contest data. But I gotta go to bed, folks. I'll pick this up again tomorrow (Thursday). Cheers, --JaGatalk 05:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- OK, found the problem. An error had caused a PHP include page to form improperly, which caused the include to fail. Everything is looking good, and another update should kick off in the next 30 minutes or so. I would suggest that we end this month's contest at 11:59 PM UTC April 6; the new monthly list would be generated a bit after 12 AM UTC April 7. (The outage has led to a lot of "junk dabs" and I don't want them the skew the results for next month.) What do you think? --JaGatalk 20:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- By "junk dabs", do you mean things like Montane (which is clearly article material)? There are always a few of those in the contest, so I wouldn't consider them worth waiting over. bd2412 T 20:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- That schedule is fine with me (although I'll keep my fingers crossed, as I probably will be on the road at 23:59 UTC April 6, but the script should be able to run automagically). Someone else may need to check in around that time and undo my last edit to WP:DPL in case I can't get to it myself. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- If ending it tonight instead of tomorrow is better for you, I think that would work OK. I've got to run for now but I'll log back in before midnight UTC. --JaGatalk 20:48, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- No, tomorrow's fine. I think it makes more sense, since the reports have not really been available until this afternoon. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Good. I've set the scripts up to end the contest tomorrow and start the new month beginning April 7 12AM UTC. So all day April 7 will be the results board. I'll have to manually fix some month naming errors that will happen, but everything else should be fine. --JaGatalk 02:36, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- The project page for April is still showing March numbers (or, at least, partial March numbers). bd2412 T 02:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
- Good. I've set the scripts up to end the contest tomorrow and start the new month beginning April 7 12AM UTC. So all day April 7 will be the results board. I'll have to manually fix some month naming errors that will happen, but everything else should be fine. --JaGatalk 02:36, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- No, tomorrow's fine. I think it makes more sense, since the reports have not really been available until this afternoon. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- If ending it tonight instead of tomorrow is better for you, I think that would work OK. I've got to run for now but I'll log back in before midnight UTC. --JaGatalk 20:48, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Discussion regarding U.S. Post Office
Discussion is underway at Talk:U.S. Post Office#Requested move over whether the frequently linked disambiguation page U.S. Post Office should be moved to U.S. Post Office (disambiguation), with the current title to be redirected to United States Postal Service. Please feel free to add your thoughts. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- If any non-involved admin is interested in closing this move request, the deadline for comments has run and I think the outcome is pretty clear. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:15, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Appeal: help me fix links to montane forest
I screwed up: I made montane into a disambiguation page, based on discussion at Talk:montane forest. This made 5000+ links to a dab page. You all (the community) did a heroic job of cleaning this up, running bot jobs to make previous links to montane point to montane forest.
I think I've straightened things out: montane currently redirects to montane ecology, which is a broader concept than montane forest. The distinction in clear in the technical literature: a montane forest is a concept the more general field of montane ecology. Neither article is very long, unfortunately.
My request: there are now 5000+ links that look like [[Montane forest|montane]] that are now incorrect. I would suggest that they should be restored to be simply [[montane]], so that whatever we decide to redirect montane to, all of the links will still be correct.
Can the heroic people/robots who turned the 5000+ instances of [[montane]] into [[Montane forest|montane]] please help me revert those changes? I only have AWB, and if I have to look at 5000+ pages by myself, it will take me a year and I will surely go insane.
There is one more wrinkle. Most of the 5000+ links were generated by Polbot, and they are incorrect. They refer to moist [[montane]]s. That was based on a misreading of the original data, and should be moist [[montane forest]]s.
In summary, I'm looking for help to perform the following find/replace tasks:
- "moist [[montane forest|montanes]]" into "moist [[montane forests]]"
and if this pattern doesn't occur:
- "[[Montane forest|montane]]" into "[[montane]]"
I will shower my undying wikilove and barnstars on whomever can help me fix this mess. —hike395 (talk) 04:32, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- RussBot, which made most of the previous round of corrections, is starting now to fix all the "moist montane" references. When that finishes (which will probably take several hours), I'll look at what's left and see if I can reasonably fix the rest. However, it's not immediately clear to me that all of these links can simply be changed en masse; some of them may be correct links to montane forest. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you, Russ! You're right: I've started to go through the rest of the links, and about 1/4 of them are correct. If you simply run RussBot to correct the "moist montane" references (which is the vast majority of the 5000+ links), I am happy to fix the rest myself. You are welcome, of course, to help! Thanks again! —hike395 (talk) 10:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Done I've done my part with AWB: I went through and fixed links of the form [[montane forest|montane]] where they did not refer to forests. I skipped any "moist montane" links, so that Russbot can do its work. It wasn't bad at all. Thanks again for your help! —hike395 (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you, Russ! You're right: I've started to go through the rest of the links, and about 1/4 of them are correct. If you simply run RussBot to correct the "moist montane" references (which is the vast majority of the 5000+ links), I am happy to fix the rest myself. You are welcome, of course, to help! Thanks again! —hike395 (talk) 10:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for help
Thanks for help - this is a new service to me. VG! Jacobisq (talk) 11:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Dabsolver no links
Using the watchlist option on Dabsolver it shows that there is a link on Doctor Who to Doctor Who Prom, when i click fix it says There are no disambiguation links on Doctor Who. This has happened for the last few days if there are no links why does it still appear. Am i missing something. Its the same for Annan Academy to Annan.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- That does seem to happen from time to time. I have fixed both of these. Annan was in a template, which may have prevented it from being detected by the Dabsolver. bd2412 T 23:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- The reason Dabsolver didn't see the problem is that Doctor Who is a link on Doctor Who Prom and Annan Academy is a link on Annan. TimBentley (talk) 02:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed The watchlist option User:JaGa's database and our hatnote methodology differ. Normally I add
&force=yes
or&fixlinks=dablink
to the URL, but I forgot this time. — Dispenser 05:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed The watchlist option User:JaGa's database and our hatnote methodology differ. Normally I add
Grackle
Hi, just a heads up that I've asked for help for Grackle here. Passerine taxonomy is notoriously confusing, and is in major flux right now, so I figured only an expert will be able to do those links justice. PhnomPencil talk contribs 18:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Nonsense message from bot
- Hi. When you recently edited Rheinhausen (Breisgau), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Schoenau (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles
The assertions are false I added no such link to Rheinhausen (Breisgau). I surmise that the bot got somehow got confused about a disambiguation link I added to Niederhausen, which references Rheinhausen (Breisgau). That link was intended. —Danorton (talk) 19:44, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
- From this diff, it certainly appears as if you did insert a link to Schoenau into the article, in the first sentence of the "Neighboring communities" section. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Boiler boiling over.
There is a heated discussion going on at Talk:Boiler as to whether Boiler should be a disambiguation page. If it becomes one, that's 1,200+ links that will need fixing. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:40, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Runet
The WP:PRIMARY TOPIC for Runet seems to be Internet in Russia, with the rest of the terms on the disambig page being redlinks or tertiarily related things. I propose moving and redirecting the page to reflect this. Any objections? bd2412 T 14:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds good PhnomPencil talk contribs 18:42, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- I tried to implement the change but was swiftly rebuffed by the page creator with the somewhat arcane edit summary, "Runet is not "Internet in Russia", it is likely "Internet in Russian" according to users". I have put a dabconcept tag on the current redirect target, Runet (disambiguation), but don't know enough about the subject matter to proceed with de-disambiguation. bd2412 T 19:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 May 13#Template:Geographical locators
I wanted to bring this template deletion discussion to the attention of the community, as the template contains a large number of disambig links and was placed by its creator on an equally large number of disambiguation pages. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
leaderboard not updating
The leaderboard doesn't seem to have updated in a while, even though it says it has. Nick Number (talk) 17:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Leaderboard Issue
Yesterday I was editing disambiguating pages and i was at 200 points, then today its gone back to 169 points. It's be doing this for the past couple of days. Is there an issue with the leaderboard?--Mjs1991 (talk) 22:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ive noticed it as well some days seem to disappear of it. Edinburgh Wanderer 22:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- I made a note of this a while ago. It seems that about the first ten days of the contest were wiped out. bd2412 T 23:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- There are few automated functions that aren't working, including refreshes of the Bonus List - there are a lot of cross-outs that shouldn't appear. PKT(alk) 20:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- If I'm not mistaken, these problems started around the time the Watchlist changes happened. Thursday, May 10th?--JustAGal (talk) 21:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'm 99.9% sure that's just a coincidence. JaGa, who maintains the leaderboard, is off-wiki currently due to some issues in his personal life. I'm sure he'll get it straightened out eventually, but it will probably take longer than usual. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well is somebody else able to do it or is applied to JaGa? or how about yourself, R'n'B?--Mjs1991 (talk) 23:59, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- No, at the moment, only JaGa can fix it because it is all contained in a database on Toolserver to which only he has write powers. We are working on changing that situation (for obvious reasons) but it wasn't completed before he got called away. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:06, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ok then. So when the issue does get fixed, will the edit amount be fixed or do we have to do it all again? So like, if somebody has 300 edits, and they've done 100 more during the issue, would it go to 400 when it's resolved or will it go back to 300?--Mjs1991 (talk) 01:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- I did a couple of fixes over the last week or so and at that point the tool was showing me my points. But the next day all my points had disappeared. And this is something that has happened a couple of times now. I don't mind waiting, just want to make sure that I've done everything right, since I'm relatively new to this. --Ahmerkhan (talk) 07:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ok then. So when the issue does get fixed, will the edit amount be fixed or do we have to do it all again? So like, if somebody has 300 edits, and they've done 100 more during the issue, would it go to 400 when it's resolved or will it go back to 300?--Mjs1991 (talk) 01:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- No, at the moment, only JaGa can fix it because it is all contained in a database on Toolserver to which only he has write powers. We are working on changing that situation (for obvious reasons) but it wasn't completed before he got called away. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:06, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well is somebody else able to do it or is applied to JaGa? or how about yourself, R'n'B?--Mjs1991 (talk) 23:59, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'm 99.9% sure that's just a coincidence. JaGa, who maintains the leaderboard, is off-wiki currently due to some issues in his personal life. I'm sure he'll get it straightened out eventually, but it will probably take longer than usual. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- If I'm not mistaken, these problems started around the time the Watchlist changes happened. Thursday, May 10th?--JustAGal (talk) 21:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- There are few automated functions that aren't working, including refreshes of the Bonus List - there are a lot of cross-outs that shouldn't appear. PKT(alk) 20:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- I made a note of this a while ago. It seems that about the first ten days of the contest were wiped out. bd2412 T 23:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
By the way, not that I'm complaining, but I never got my medal for winning the March 2012 disambiguation contest. I also happened to set the all-time bonus list record that month. Not that I'm complaining, of course. Ok, yes I'm complaining a little bit. bd2412 T 20:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not complaining either, but I didn't get mine from February, and I'd like one. Thanks. SchreiberBike (talk) 03:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Remedied. Nick Number (talk) 14:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Close to the half-a-million mark!
We are currently within 10,000 fixes of dropping total disambiguation links below 500,000 for the first time ever. Momentous celebration is called for. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:13, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- Today's Daily Disambig has our total disambig link number at 500,277. At this rate, we will drop below 500,000 disambiguation links sometime this evening! bd2412 T 19:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Mark the calender, my friends: as of June 7, 2012 the total disambiguation link count stands at 497,853. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- Argh, I missed it! I'm gonna turn USA into a disambig just so I can see it happen... --JaGatalk 22:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
De-disambiguation discussion for chemical formulas and molecular formulas
I have initiated a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Category:Chemistry disambiguation pages and Category:Molecular formula disambiguation pages proposing to reclassify the pages in these categories as set indexes. This includes six current disambiguation pages on the monthly list for June. I hope to hear a few more voices in the discussion, so that it will not be taken as a cabal-type decision. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- This has now been done. I will be cleaning up loose ends for the next few weeks. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in.
Hi, I keep getting this error: "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in. " I've already tried logging out and back in, clearing the cache, etc., but it still doesn't work. Any ideas? Thanks, Azylber (talk) 18:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- I suspect it is unrelated to Wikipedia Disambiguation pages with links. Maybe try Wikipedia:Help desk? -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. The thing is, I have no other problems with wikipedia whatsoever. It's only when I use the dab link fix tool. Azylber (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- When you log out & back in, are you doing it in Dab Solver, or in Wikipedia itself? You want to do it in Dab Solver. --JaGatalk 22:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- And that's my confusion, since this is a WP Talk page. If it's a dab solver problem, maybe User talk:Dispenser/Dab solver? -- JHunterJ (talk) 23:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. The thing is, I have no other problems with wikipedia whatsoever. It's only when I use the dab link fix tool. Azylber (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
The Bodyguard (musical)
Would someone mind having a look at this. [1] The disambig link is in the infobox and i cant work out a way to solve it. Im assuming its something to do with the template itself but i really don't know.Edinburgh Wanderer 17:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, the link was in the (unnecessary) hatnote, which I have removed.--ShelfSkewed Talk 17:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks but i don't understand that. A whilst back when using Dab Solver it should as a link in the hat note and in the infobox. But after someone edited it it just should in the infobox, how does a hatnote show in the name field of the infobox.Edinburgh Wanderer 18:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- That is a mystery for which I have no answer. Perhaps Dispenser, who wrote Dabsolver, can explain it.--ShelfSkewed Talk 18:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks but i don't understand that. A whilst back when using Dab Solver it should as a link in the hat note and in the infobox. But after someone edited it it just should in the infobox, how does a hatnote show in the name field of the infobox.Edinburgh Wanderer 18:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Dablinks update, request for input
In January 2011 I introduced the {{dablinks}} template to tag articles that have an excessive number of links to disambiguation pages. At that time, "excessive" was defined as 25 dablinks. Since then, that limit has been dropped to 15 dablinks, and those have been cleared out, so I'm back to request approval of another change to the limit.
Number of dablinks | January 2011 | October 2011 | June 2012 |
---|---|---|---|
100+ | 12 | 0 | 0 |
50+ | 69 | 0 | 0 |
25+ | 300 | 7 | 0 |
20+ | 483 | 45 | 0 |
15+ | 910 | 251 | 0 |
10+ | 2476 | 1142 | 71 |
9+ | - | - | 205 |
8+ | - | - | 450 |
7+ | - | - | 907 |
6+ | - | - | 1778 |
5+ | - | 9866 | 3565 |
4+ | - | - | 8116 |
3+ | - | - | 21313 |
2+ | - | - | 73118 |
1+ | 527136 | 490790 | 378144 |
Originally, I was going to ask to lower the limit to 10, but there are so few 10+ dab articles now, I think it would be better to go even lower - maybe 8? What do you think?
Once I get consensus here, I'll go to the bot approval group to get the change made. --JaGatalk 13:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'd say 8, since that would involve tagging the same (order of magnitude) quantity of pages as the original limit of 25 in January 2011. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- I agree, 8 is a good-sized list, and feels right. bd2412 T 14:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- Has there been any significant pushback from the taggings so far? I could see it argued that 8 links doesn't really constitute an excessive number, except by the principle that any dablinks are too many. Nick Number (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- I think in general, articles shouldn't have links to disambiguation pages, except when the link is intentional. I can't really imagine an article having more than 4 intentional links to disambiguation pages. And 4 unintentional links to dab pages in an article is annoying. I vote for 4. Azylber (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- There has been no pushback on the template that I can recall - which amazes me. I'd say the slow n' steady approach has been working. With WP:INTDABLINK on our side, there really is no reason for a page to have any dablinks at all. I'm hoping to eventually settle the limit at 5. (There's also a part of me that hopes we'll get the dablinks so low that we will indeed be able to tag even articles with a single dablink. But that's years down the road.) --JaGatalk 16:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- As far as I recall, intentional links that are appropriately marked as being intentional (i.e. are routed through the "Foo (disambiguation)" redirect) are already excluded from this list. We'll get to 4 eventually, but I think we'll draw more people to assist if we give them more bite-sized chunnks to accomplish. bd2412 T 16:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Done DPL bot now tags anything with 8 or more dab links, and removes a tag if the number drops below 5. Not only was the bot request speedily approved, it was approved for any limit as low as 5, so we can lower the threshold again whenever we feel able to handle the added workload. --JaGatalk 15:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Going forward, I would suggest that the number (8+ now) be lowered by 1 on both sides when the list of work elements drops below some target number. Say around 500-1,000. That keeps the list manageable until you get to 5+ when the number of links starts to climb significantly. At that time if the bot could limit the number of articles in the queue to keep it within a manageable range rather then tagging everything in say the 3+ list. Or does the bot become ineffective at those low levels? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
DPL Bot
Whose brilliant idea was this and how long has it existed? In addition, will it notify me every time I add one or is it slightly hit and miss? I'm usually very good at following any links I add (due to my work with WikiProject Wikify), but I miss them sometimes. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:40, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
- Normally it gets them all but right now Toolserver is so badly lagged the bot can't run. Otherwise you should get a notice every week or so summing up your recently created dab links. --JaGatalk 19:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Monthly list
In case anyone is wondering what happened to the monthly list for July: the bot that generates the list for inclusion on WP:DPL is unable to finish the job because of problems on the Toolserver. As soon as that problem clears up (although I have absolutely no way of predicting when that will be), I will re-start the bot so that we will have a list on this page. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for keeping us informed. For now I'm working on red links. SchreiberBike (talk) 05:25, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- The DAB Challenge page is still available. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Hugh Thomas (disambiguation)
Since Hugh Thomas has been moved to Hugh Thomas (writer), Hugh Thomas (disambiguation) needs to be moved to Hugh Thomas over the redirect that is there, and then Hugh Thomas (disambiguation) can redirect to Hugh Thomas. I would do it, but Hugh Thomas has been edited, so an admin needs to do it. Can any friendly admins help out? :) -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 06:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- I tagged the page with {{db-movedab}}[2]. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Malplaced disambiguation pages#Instructions. --Kusunose 10:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- Ah! I will do that in the future. The pages have now been moved. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 18:38, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Director (education)
This is problematic, given the likely WP:DABCONCEPT violation, the clear WP:INCOMPDAB violation, and the large number of incoming links. I wonder whether editors should be allowed to make disambiguation pages with incomplete disambiguation titles at all - it would be nice if the software stopped them before it became a mess for us to deal with. This page, I note, was disambiguated as the result of an RfD discussion, with no consideration of the rules governing disambiguation. With respect to this page, in particular, I propose that we create a Glossary of positions in education administration and redirect this, and all similarly sporadically used terms, to that target. bd2412 T 20:42, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
A discussion concerning the use of {{USS}} and similar templates
A discussion concerning the use of {{USS}} and similar templates on disambiguation pages is started at Talk: MOS/dab Use of {{USS}} and similar templates on disambiguation pages. Your participation welcome.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Number of disambiguation templates
Hi,
I've just fixed a bug on WPCleaner that was probably only visible on enwiki because there are more than 50 different templates listed in MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage. It's fixed, but I had to increase the number of requests made by WPCleaner to know if pages are dab pages.
I'm using Mediawiki API templates request to know if a pages are dab pages or not, with the list of disambiguation templates (using parameter tltemplates). This parameter only accepts 50 templates, so I now have to make 2 requests (one for the first 50 templates, one for the rest).
I don't know if it will be noticeable on the speed, I hope not.
Are so many templates for dab pages useful ? Especially so many redirects (more than half) ? --NicoV (talk) 21:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- If they're not being transcluded anywhere, they're probably safe for removal. If they're being transcluded somewhere (even the redirects), some body is finding them useful, but they could go through a MfD discussion. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- NicoV, not really answering your question, but a more efficient way to identify whether pages are dab pages or not would be to test for membership in Category:All disambiguation pages (or Category:All article disambiguation pages if you only care about the main namespace). --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:23, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was also looking for that kind of advice for more efficient requests :) . Not every wiki has a category with all dab pages in it, that's why I am using a request based on templates in MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage, but I can make this configurable and use a request on categories when possible. It will work at least for enwiki and frwiki also. Thanks ! --NicoV (talk) 08:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've released a new version of WPCleaner that can use categories instead of templates to decide if a page is a dab page. I've configured it on enwiki to use Category:All article disambiguation pages. I tested it and it seems ok, but anyone tell me if they see strange behaviours. --NicoV (talk) 12:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was also looking for that kind of advice for more efficient requests :) . Not every wiki has a category with all dab pages in it, that's why I am using a request based on templates in MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage, but I can make this configurable and use a request on categories when possible. It will work at least for enwiki and frwiki also. Thanks ! --NicoV (talk) 08:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- NicoV, not really answering your question, but a more efficient way to identify whether pages are dab pages or not would be to test for membership in Category:All disambiguation pages (or Category:All article disambiguation pages if you only care about the main namespace). --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:23, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Challenge Scoring
Over the last couple of days, I've removed dozens of links to disambiguation pages. But I don't appear in the challenge leaderboard. Why is that? Am I doing something wrong? -- Mikeblas (talk) 13:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- If you look at the top of tools:~dpl/disambig_links.php, you'll see "Replication lag is 13 days 2 hours 28 minutes." (more or less) - That means if you fixed a link 13 days ago, it just showed up for scoring purposes today. If you fixed a link 12 days ago, it hasn't been scored yet. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about this lag; we just have to wait for the server to catch up, which means that at least for the rest of August, scoring is likely to be highly inaccurate. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- Holy smokes! I saw that text, but didn't understand what what replicating to what. Thanks for the explanation. -- Mikeblas (talk) 13:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- How's The Daily holding up? Any lag on that? PhnomPencil talk contribs 15:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- The Daily Disambig says, "All information on this page is derived from the wonderful Toolserver reports generated by User:JaGa." Does that answer your question? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- I usually need to be told thrice for it to sink in, so no but we're two thirds of the way there. It means I misunderstood the nature of the Toolserver lag though, figured it was in fits and bursts instead of smooth. PhnomPencil talk contribs 22:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- The Daily Disambig says, "All information on this page is derived from the wonderful Toolserver reports generated by User:JaGa." Does that answer your question? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- How's The Daily holding up? Any lag on that? PhnomPencil talk contribs 15:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- Holy smokes! I saw that text, but didn't understand what what replicating to what. Thanks for the explanation. -- Mikeblas (talk) 13:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Toolserver news
Good and bad, that is: the bad news is that virtually all the toolserver.org tools that support Disambiguation Pages with Links are currently offline (the reports are still available but they haven't been updated for several days and probably won't be updated for several more), which also means the Daily Disambig can't be produced. The good news is that the Toolserver administrator has scheduled a repair for Wednesday which, if it works (keep fingers crossed), should not only get everything operating again but also eliminate the 16 days of replication lag we have been suffering from. Stay tuned.... --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
- (But August challenge scoring will probably be irremediably screwed up nevertheless) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:27, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
- Great news, Russ. It's still updating, I guess... but I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to sink his teeth into some fresh links. Thanks for looking after this. PhnomPencil talk contribs 13:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Templates with disambiguation links
For those who are suffering withdrawal pains due to the Toolserver problems, I have updated Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/from templates with a new list I generated last night. This was a hacked-together script that isn't as sophisticated as JaGa's Toolserver setup, so it probably has some false positives and other problems in it, but it's better than nothing. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thinking that we should remove the ones we've taken care of? --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 15:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Replacing a redirected link to a disambiguation page by a direct link to the disambiguation page
Hi,
I got a "kind of strange" message from DLP bot:
I've replaced a link to a "disambiguation but redirected page" to the "partially disambiguation page" pointed by the redirection: MOB (disambiguation) redirect to Mob. So I change MOB (disambiguation) to Mob in the page Crowd. The synopsis of Mob is the exact meaning aimed by Crowd: “Mob commonly refers to a crowd of people (from Latin mobile vulgus, meaning "fickle commoners").” And none of the “may also refer to” fits.
“Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Crowd, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Mob (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC)”
My change: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crowd&diff=509315600&oldid=507839381
The bot could may should be able to see when “a link pointing to the disambiguation page” is not added but only replaced an existing redirected link.
(pardon my english, my humour and the logic)
Lacrymocéphale 12:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Technically, the bot was right, since the original link to MOB (disambiguation) was correct according to WP:D#HOWTODAB. But it's no big deal; the edit can easily be fixed. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Template:Incoming links has been nominated for deletion.
Template:Incoming links has been nominated for deletion. The discussion is ongoing at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 September 5#Template:Incoming links. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Euphrasia Eluvathingal MADE IT OK, PLS CLICK KATTOOR now
I have read your message ,,,made proper changes pls check the kattoor by clicking it ,it links to proper page.--Johnyjohny294 (talk) 11:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- I checked it out - looks perfect. Thanks for the fix. Cheers, --JaGatalk 16:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Incoming links DPL bot task
Per discussions at the deletion discussion and my talk, I've created a script that gets DPL bot to add or remove {{incoming links}} on disambiguation pages. If such a task is approved here, I'll take this proposal to the bot approvals group.
First, though, I'd like people's input on:
- Should the bot add and remove tags, or only remove tags when the number of incoming links drops below a certain level?
- What should the thresholds be for addition or removal? For {{dablinks}}, we started with high thresholds and moved down over time; that's worked well. Also, we usually have a spread to avoid frequent tagging, de-tagging, and re-tagging when people are warring over whether a single page is a disambig or not. For instance, we could add the tag for disambigs with 30 or more incoming links, and remove it for 25 or less.
--JaGatalk 17:05, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- That sounds about right to me. A threshold of 30 would include roughly the 75 disambig pages with the most links (which would mean a much smaller set of pages using this template than is the case now). Anything lower than that at this early stage would probably be too intrusive. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- I would set it to add the template at 20 links, and remove it at 15. There are several thousand disambig pages with over 20 incoming links, so this setting would potentially flag tens of thousands of links. However, I'm not opposed to "resetting" the status quo (many low-link pages now having this template) to tag at 30 and remove at 25, just to see how it works for a few months. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:11, 14 September 2012 (UTC)