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Sources for the history section
Sources for the history section: Le Strange (1890) for early history, Cohen and Lewis (1978) for 1548, Ben-Arieh in Ma'oz (1975) for 19th century, British official statistics for population before 1948. The Jewish population: 2 Jews listed in 1852, 35 in 1922, 8 in 1931, none in 1525, 1538, 1548, 1596, 1944. For 1948: B. Morris, Operation Dani and the Palestinian Exodus from Lydda and Ramle in 1948, The Middle East Journal, 40 (1986) 82-109; Rabin memoirs (censored section, NYT Oct 23, 1979).
After 1948: A. Golan, Lydda and Ramle: From Palestinian-Arab to Israeli Towns, 1948-1967, Middle Eastern Studies 39,4 (2003) 121-139. --Zero 10:19, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Oops sorry bout deleting that paragraph, I didn't even realize I did it until you fixed it.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg (talk) 04:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Changes of Hebrew definitions
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#New "twist and turn" as "Hebrew alphabet" is switched to "Hebrew languages" concerning appropriate uses of the word "Hebrew" here. IZAK 05:33, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Morris, 2004, p88
I have removed the following from the article:
- Arab militias organized by Hasan Salama and others operated in and around Ramla, resisting Jewish attacks and launching attacks on Jewish settlements and vehicles.< ref>Morris, The Birth of the Palestine Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge University Press, 2004), p88.</ ref>
Now, I have checked the reference, and the only thing Morris say about Ramla on p. 88 is (this is in a general discussion about how Salama tried to organise attacs on Jewish forces/quartes, but was almost everywhere met with little success):
- "But the villagers were not rushing to join up (..) Salame (..) asked [local leaders east of Jaffa] that they organise attacks on Tel Aviv[..] -"but they all opposed the plan vehemently." He (i.e.Salame) met a similar response from Ramle´s NC. Its members argued that "there was quiet in the area and until the Jews begin operations and Arab villages are attacked, they do not want to begin operations". Lydda NC responded similarely when asked to attack neighbouting Ben Shemen." Morris source this to reports in the Haganah archive.
Now, how can the above from Morris become what was in the article? Regards, Huldra (talk) 23:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
"accuracy"
This edit is not accurate, it is a whitewash. Morris writes that in Ramle and Lydda the population was 50,000-70,000 and that nearly all of the residents were expelled from both cities. Also, why was the link to 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramla removed? nableezy - 20:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
What's with the hassle of presenting Ramle as a Palestinian city?
It seems like some wikipedia editors are constantly misrepresenting Ramle as a Palestinian city. Ramle is a perfectly Israeli city, under Israeli rule with Jewish majority (80% Jews, 14% Muslims, 6% Christian who are not all Arab - some belong to the Greek orthodox church). Also, geographically speaking, Ramle isn't even remotely next to the West Bank or Gaza. Additionaly, the residents of Ramle have never named themselves "Palestinians" (other than perhaps the British Mandate definition of any person, Jewish or Arab who lives in Palestine/Israel) nor was it ever under Jordanian/Egyptian rule (Unlike Gaza, the West-Bank or East-Jerusalem).
I know there's a controversey regarding the fact many Arabs fled (or left willingly to allow Jordan/Egypt to conquer it for them) Ramle during the war of 1948 but let's keep things factual. --AvihooI (talk) 12:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)