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Affilliate links to betting websites
I just reverted two IP edits to FanDuel and DraftKings that inserted affiliate spam links to both articles, while using an edit summary of "rm affiliate spam" -- clearly indicating that the user was aware that this kind of spam doesn't belong in the article. I guess the user thought that nobody would analyze the content, and would read only the edit summary. A review of the history of both articles shows that this is an ongoing problem; indeed, both articles have been semi-protected (in the past) for periods of time to help reduce this and other forms of vandalism.
The purpose of this report is not to report a specific user (I've placed a template warning on the IP user's talk page, for whatever good it will do), but to suggest that alternative means need to be used to prevent this in the future. I wonder if an edit filter can be created that will nip this in the bud, while still allowing normal editing of the page? It appears that both sites use affiliate marketing codes that have pretty well-defined characteristics -- exactly what is needed for an effective edit filter. (Please ping when replying here.) Etamni | ✉ | ✓ 16:51, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Using Google scholar pages as ELs
- scholar.google.com: Linksearch en - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • MER-C Cross-wiki • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced • Meta: SRB-XWiki - COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • Veinor pages • meta • Yahoo: backlinks • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.org • DomainsDB.net • Alexa • WhosOnMyServer.com
I see my last query wasn't responded, but every hopeful, is using pages such as this one[1] suitable for the author's article? Doug Weller talk 14:39, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: I doubt, I do think we have something about linking to search engine results in our External links guideline, don't we. And most of these links you find are about subjects someone is interested in, not about the someone itself - hence they are indirect as they describe another subject. Hence they do not expand the encyclopedic understanding of the subject of the page.
palgrave.com
- palgrave.com: Linksearch en - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • MER-C Cross-wiki • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced • Meta: SRB-XWiki - COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • Veinor pages • meta • Yahoo: backlinks • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.org • DomainsDB.net • Alexa • WhosOnMyServer.com
Hello there, There is a series of links from palgrave.com to around 400+ pages and many of the links are dead and most of the links will take you to the main page of the website so i just want to know what we can do. Do we need to use wayback machine to recover dead links or better to remove because this website also sell books and as per WP:LINKSTOAVOID it says, "Instead of linking to a commercial book site, consider the "ISBN" linking format, which gives readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources." Thank You – GSS (talk) 20:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- Quite a mess. Good job spotting it.
- I'd first look for spamming, as the links look rather questionable and would be easy to abuse.
- From what I am finding with a quick skim, it looks like the links are to sample chapters or similar content from their publications. It looks like they've overhauled their system for presenting samples, creating some redirects in the process, but leaving us with citations with dead links and redirects.
- WP:LR covers what to do with the dead links. Links that redirect to a verifying webpage should simply be updated. Links that redirect to non-verifying webpages should probably be removed, especially since the ones I'm seeing are purchase pages. --Ronz (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Yes its really a mess. I don't think this website is good enough to use as reliable source. It possibly the matter of SEO to increase sales. See this edit (there possibly be more like this) an IP replaced a dead link with palgrave.com rather than using Wayback machine or other methods to repair dead links. This website doesn't seems verified so as per WP:LR I think we should remove all the links. GSS (talk) 05:43, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Libor Nováček
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Was wondering if someone wouldn't mind checking the external links for this article? I clicked on a few and they were blocked by my PC for containing Malware. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
- I cleaned up the section, moving the potential references to the talk page. Lots of dead links, but at least some are archived. --Ronz (talk) 16:23, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
urban dictionary link
On Social Justice Warrior a couple editors, who are also calling for the article to be deleted and contesting numerous other improvements to the article, are saying an Urban Dictionary link is not a suitable external link. Several of the sources use the Urban Dictionary definition, including the Washington Post, lending credibility to it. I also don't believe it is a violation of WP:EL and in fact it seems to support this being used as an external link, saying it's meant for "sites that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources." Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 14:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- Does it tell anything that is not included and cannot be included? --Dirk Beetstra T C 14:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Yes, lots of stuff. Anything that was not quoted by the sources cannot be included. It's an in depth page. Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 00:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- There are 3 established editors saying that it shouldn't be added, and one new, and so far largely SPA, who has repeatedly tried to link to it. The definition is provided several times over in the news articles - but specifically it is not the definition used by the Oxford Dictionary. Furthermore as a user generated content site what is todays top definition of Social Justice Warrior can quickly not be the top definition, and introduces other uncontrolled definitions and original research. We are currently utilising reliable secondary sources providing context and analysis. No more is required. Koncorde (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- It's clearly a relevant and useful external link. Especially given that many of the sources use it. After reading them, people may naturally want to see the 'source of the source'. You and others just don't like it because you find the content on it offensive. Sorry, this is an encyclopedia, not a hugbox. Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 00:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Instead of making personal attacks and impugning others' motives, why don't you cite actual policies or guidelines that support including Urban Dictionary as an external link. Other editors—including me—have provided many reasons why they believe Urban Dictionary fails WP:EL at Talk:Social Justice Warrior#Urban Dictionary, but you seem to prefer to make straw man arguments. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- WP:EL says it should be included, as I quoted. I posted here to get a ruling or outside opinions. If I wanted to waste my time with blatant POV pushers intent on obstructing any improvements to the article, I could do so on the talk page. Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 06:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- As I thought, you've got nothing but insults and attacks.
- Where did you "quote" WP:EL? — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:38, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Above. -- "sites that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources." Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 12:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- My apologies, Ghost of hugh glass. I didn't see that quote when I was browsing on my phone this morning. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Above. -- "sites that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources." Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 12:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- WP:EL says it should be included, as I quoted. I posted here to get a ruling or outside opinions. If I wanted to waste my time with blatant POV pushers intent on obstructing any improvements to the article, I could do so on the talk page. Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 06:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Instead of making personal attacks and impugning others' motives, why don't you cite actual policies or guidelines that support including Urban Dictionary as an external link. Other editors—including me—have provided many reasons why they believe Urban Dictionary fails WP:EL at Talk:Social Justice Warrior#Urban Dictionary, but you seem to prefer to make straw man arguments. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- It's clearly a relevant and useful external link. Especially given that many of the sources use it. After reading them, people may naturally want to see the 'source of the source'. You and others just don't like it because you find the content on it offensive. Sorry, this is an encyclopedia, not a hugbox. Ghost of hugh glass (talk) 00:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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@Ghost of hugh glass: - My primary concern was that it was not adding anything (that can not be included here). In the specific example (Social Justice Warrior) that is exactly so (I now checked). It contains mainly the same text, the only addition would be some examples (which could also be written in the article on Wikipedia). Hence, per WP:ELNO, this link should not be there (and likely not on many pages on Wikipedia). --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:56, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, almost never - Unless the article in question is Urban Dictionary, it's not going to be an appropriate link/source. It's user-generated content and therefore not reliable. Here is a thread from RSN on this subject which comes to a pretty succinct conclusion about it being unreliable. It also cites UD's owner who says "Urban Dictionary doesn’t require definitions to be objective or factual. Lots of definitions are extremely subjective or provably wrong!" The line referenced in WP:EL about unreliable pages being included is "Sites that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources." It's under "links to be considered", as in "gray area", and hinges on "from knowledgeable sources". WP:UGC, especially on a site that's entirely ok with its content being "provably wrong" is not "from knowledgeable sources". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:57, 28 January 2016 (UTC)