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OpenCritic Updates?
Hey Czar,
Disclosure in case you don't remember me: I'm Matthew Enthoven, one of the founders of OpenCritic.
Before diving into the rest of this, I wanted to thank you for your feedback/idea. In case you don't remember, you suggested we should add additional labeling or something else that enhances score meaning. It's taken us a while (we've had other things cookin'), but I do think we're going to be adding that over the next few weeks. We're playing with the idea of tiers that would be "Mighty" (85+, 70% recommended, min 10 reviews, top ~10% of games), "Strong" (75-84, next 30% of games), "Average" (70-74, middle 20% of games), and "Weak" (69 or lower, bottom 40% of games). Anyways, just wanted to thank you for the suggestion.
We're still trying to figure out ways to make strides when it comes to Wikipedia and wanted to update with some of our progress. Previous conversations seemed to mostly conclude "too soon" and that we weren't "enough of a source in the industry." We wanted to continue to challenge that and get more feedback. Since the start of this year, we've added numerous features and seen our presence as an authority rising, so we thought it'd be a good time to ask again "what is it that you guys look for?"
We've added critic pages, with over 350 critics that have signed up and customized their page. To this day, we are the only aggregator that correctly attributes reviews to their author in addition to their publication.
We also added support for embeddable scores, which are now being used by The Escapist (see bottom of article) and Lazygamer. Websites such as Cubed3 and DarkZero now link to us in their footers, and PlayStation Universe lists us on their reviews.
We've been used as a source by Gamasutra (second paragraph), GeForce/Nvidia (see last paragraph), Examiner, Forbes, and others. We've also been added to Wikipedia Portugal on many pages. In the community, we're an officially sanctioned aggregator by the PS4 subreddit, and have been used across several reddit threads, often times as the only aggregator listed now. Metacritic has even made significant score mistakes, and a few of our users noticed.
We passed 100 publications included, and added word clouds that highlight key features and themes of reviews. We continue to see more and more traction across the board. We're adding 3DS and Vita titles now, with Fire Emblem Fates' review embargo already posted. We're the only aggregator that includes publications such as Eurogamer, AngryCentaurGaming, GameXplain, and TotalBiscuit, and we're the only aggregator that maintains the original score format. We also report on the percentage of critics that recommend the title, a statistic that allows us to include non-numeric publications.
We strongly believe that we are the fastest and most reliable aggregator. We are consistently faster than Metacritic, as several critics have noticed. We've invested heavily in our technology and our presentation, and believe strongly that, while we draw on the same data as Metacritic, we offer a more complete and informed picture fo a title. As we wrap up our next few features, we're hoping to improve and, well...
The reason I'm writing is: We really want to know what you guys are looking for. This isn't a "please put us on Wikipedia" type thing: we're young gamers and don't really consider Wikipedia readers to be our demographic, and as we have no advertising, they'd be revenue-negative anyway. Instead, we're just looking for feedback. We consider you, as a video game editor, to be an intellectual in the industry that we want to support and thrive in. So we want to know - what do you look for when evaluating OpenCritic as an "industry source"? What are the variables/factors? What are the things we can improve?
We're always on the lookout for ideas, and as we wrap up our next few features, we want to get your thoughts and opinions.
Sincerely, MattEnth (talk) 01:07, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Dewey
I found a high-res copy of the current lead: https://efd.global/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lc-usz62-51525.jpg (looks a bit washed out, but I checked and there's still detail in there). It's from https://efd.global/about/empower-students/
The trouble is that Underwood & Underwood were active after 1922, so I need to date the image. Otherwise, the restoration - and, indeed, the current lead image - could be deleted at any time. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:31, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden, this book dates the image (LoC)as created "before 1931" and "public domain", though I'm not sure that the latter follows from the former, right? (The 1931 might be from this archive, but it doesn't date the photo to 1931—just the connection to the subject of the archive.) I also found another high-res copy at Britannica. In any event, my copyright history is fuzzy, but if the Library of Congress doesn't note a copyright designation on the image, wouldn't it be PD now? Also do you think a different shot of Dewey would be preferable? I can try to track down another photo if you have a suggestion. Appreciate your help, czar 07:04, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- The thing is, the LoC don't actually allow you to download the image. That's not always a sign of it being in copyright, but it means they haven't checked it. @Crisco 1492: Can I get your views? Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Wouldn't we just have to see if Underwood & Underwood renewed any copyrights on photographs in this time? The company was American (based out of NY), so they would have had to follow American copyright law. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492: We CAN, but without a year, that's digging through dozens of non-OCR'd documents. Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:50, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Never said it would be easy. Not sure the quality of the image is worth that sort of effort. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, isn't it OCR'd in Google Books? [1] Not sure what the item would be called though. "Reserve illustrations"? czar 05:49, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Photographs. Probably listed under the company's name. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:52, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, I'm not finding anything that could fit the bill in my searches. I found a copy of that reserve illustrations book, and it looks like it's stock photography for advertisers (likely wouldn't carry a photo of Dewey or another celebrity). At what point can we say due diligence was done on the photograph? Is there anywhere or anyone else I should check? czar 19:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- How many books did you check out? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Crisco 1492, I did several search variations on "Underwood" and "photograph" in the Google Books link (above). They did not appear to copyright individual photographs, though they were credited with photo illustrations in some books. Not sure how to make the search more systematic, though. czar 00:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Well, you could go through the photograph books from year to year. But I think we'd have enough for "due diligence" right now. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492, I did several search variations on "Underwood" and "photograph" in the Google Books link (above). They did not appear to copyright individual photographs, though they were credited with photo illustrations in some books. Not sure how to make the search more systematic, though. czar 00:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, I'm not finding anything that could fit the bill in my searches. I found a copy of that reserve illustrations book, and it looks like it's stock photography for advertisers (likely wouldn't carry a photo of Dewey or another celebrity). At what point can we say due diligence was done on the photograph? Is there anywhere or anyone else I should check? czar 19:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, isn't it OCR'd in Google Books? [1] Not sure what the item would be called though. "Reserve illustrations"? czar 05:49, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- The thing is, the LoC don't actually allow you to download the image. That's not always a sign of it being in copyright, but it means they haven't checked it. @Crisco 1492: Can I get your views? Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden, what do you think? Would you be interested in doing a restoration? It'd be nice to have it for the new article but otherwise I'll let it go czar 16:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Missed Chris' comment. Sure, I'll have a go. Let me finish my current project. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492 and Adam Cuerden, I'm in DC for the weekend and decided to stop by the LoC to look into this. The short is (1) I learned a whole lot about their photo collections, which are mostly undigitized and, in some cases, not digitally indexed. (2) They actually have a statement on Underwood & Underwood here—the items registered to the company are out of copyright. (Now that I look, apparently commons:Template:PD-Underwood already said this.) I can swing by again tomorrow if you have any specific questions you'd like me to ask. czar 02:57, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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- Awesome. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Re: Draftspace
Hi Czar. I'm fine with moving almost all Dance Dance Revolution SuperNova content to a draftspace, but I would strongly implore that a stub article should be kept. Does this sound like a good proposition? Cheers, --True Tech Talk Time (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- @True Tech Talk Time, yep, though in that case, I think it'd be best to gut the unsourced stuff from the current article. If someone finds references and wants to restore from the history, that'd be fine. Do you want to do the honors or should I? czar 21:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Czar!
Thanks for your assessment of my article. I mostly fix minor style details in Wikipedia so I'm not very knowledgeable on how to create aceptable new articles. I've got more references on Trajtemberg, for example a Rolling Stone article specifically on him would suffice? Thanks. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 22:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- @ExperiencedArticleFixer, that sounds excellent. I highly recommend the Articles for Creation process—their reviewers will help walk you through the article creation steps, which is better than ending up in a deletion discussion. czar 22:20, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi again, Czar! I added a couple more references by mainstream secondary sources, namely Rolling Stone magazine and IMDb, do you think it's enough? Thanks! --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 23:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Better, but needs a bit more. (IMDb is not a reliable source and is not used for biographic information.) czar 00:00, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi again, Czar! I added a couple more references by mainstream secondary sources, namely Rolling Stone magazine and IMDb, do you think it's enough? Thanks! --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 23:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Sega Digital Studio
How are you going to revert the page to an article in bigger need of sources? The List of Sega audio studios article needs to be deleted, in my opinion. It's outdated, badly formatted, and not sourced. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Dissident93, have a better target in mind? They both are unsourced, but standard practice is to redirect to its parent. Ostensibly you could redirect both to the list's parent. czar 23:29, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete both articles, as something like this is better suited for Sega Retro anyway. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Baby Driver (film)
Hello czar! Please move Draft:Baby Driver (film) → Baby Driver (film) — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 03:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Proposed Deletion of Sonic Belligeranza page
Hi there Czar, this is to inform you I've just deleted your Proposed Deletion tag. During last week in fact, I've edited the text, adding reliable references from different sources and external links. I think the page has improved a lot and hope this last edit renders the page closer to Wikipedia standard according to you. Whatever problem, please reply to this topic. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djscaphandre (talk • contribs) 21:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @Djscaphandre, thanks for that work. We only dedicate articles to topics that have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) The Flipkart citation is not really a book but a compilation of Wikipedia articles. And the Apocalypso Disco review doesn't mention the label... is it about the label or the author? The author is the founder of the label, so that source would not have sufficient critical distance to be used as more than a self-published source about oneself. And the other links appear to be mere passing mentions. This topic would need more coverage to keep the article (otherwise we would have a topic but with no substantive sources to say anything about it!) Do you have any other sources, perhaps with mainstream or academic journal coverage? Also, since this is your first article, do you have any affiliation with the subject? If so we ask editors to disclose on the article's talk page, per the conflict of interest guidelines. czar 09:53, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Get Out (film)
Hello! Please move Draft:Get Out (film) → Get Out (film) — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 19:15, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 19:45, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Amazon Lumberyard
I saw you deleted Amazon Lumberyard for copyright violation. Looking at a cached version I saved, I see that much of it certainly was a close paraphrasing of the FAQ page. However, there were quite a few references that my cached version didn't pick up that I think would be useful. Would it be possible for you to let me know what they were so I could create a non-copyvio version of the article? Thanks. clpo13(talk) 23:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @Clpo13, here are the relevant ones:
- "Amazon Releases Its Own Game Engine For Free". Kotaku. February 9, 2016. Retrieved February 11, 2016.
- "Amazon launches free 'triple-A' Lumberyard engine". PC Gamer. February 9, 2016. Retrieved February 11, 2016.
- "Amazon and Crytek Agree to Licensing Deal Worth $50-$70 Million - Report". GameSpot. April 6, 2015. Retrieved February 11, 2016.
- "Amazon rolls out Lumberyard, an entirely free game development engine". Polygon. February 9, 2016. Retrieved February 11, 2016.
- "Amazon launches new, free, high-quality game engine: Lumberyard". Gamasutra. February 9, 2016. Retrieved February 11, 2016.
- (I removed the primary and unreliable sources.) czar 23:19, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Possible DYK
Hi Czar,
Besides my deletion endeavours I recently came across Aurion: Legacy of the Kori-Odan (which I managed to change it how it was before). It's an action role-playing video game, developed by a Cameroonian studio, supposedly the first from Central Africa. It takes inspiration from African culture; the trailers was dubbed in local dialect, while the fictional cultures are based upon those found in Africa. Now, I'm not familiar with DYK (and reading WP:DYK gave me headache), but as WP:VG is trying more to focus on the cultural perception of video games, I think this would be a good DYK to mention on the main page. What do you think? Shall I try to get up there? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:45, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- I forgot to mention that I've yet to incorporate a very interesting piece by Polygon, "A Game that Speaks of Africa". soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:47, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- Looks familiar... @Soetermans, I think that's great. My thoughts on DYK are that it's worth it as long as you can justify the nomination process. I used to do this more with indie games and found that their devs appreciated the exposure too (and were perhaps more willing to relicense visual assets as cc-by-sa when the images had a chance to show on the front page of Wikipedia). Do you want me to contact the dev for images? The issue with this nomination is that it isn't new enough for the DYK criteria (though I don't know if it has changed since the last time I checked). This was the article's state in October 2015, so since the expansion wasn't 1500 characters from scratch, the article would need to expand 5x from this October state, which isn't happening. Your best bet is to finish the last few steps to get it to GA, which will make it eligible. The DYK process itself makes the article marginally within policy (checks for citations, removes unreliable sources, general cleanup) and requires that you find a super strong (sourced: 3b) fact. If you were to ask WTVG to help look out for your nom, I'm sure several editors would help it along. Like most things on WP, the DYK process is a little esoteric but gets easier with a few runs. (I'm not sure that WPVG is itself more focused on the cultural perception of video games, but the games media sure is and as a tertiary source, we're reflective of that.) czar 14:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- I missed the AfD, glad it's still around. Thanks for the kind words. Well, I guess getting it to DYK isn't going to work. GA might be a good idea though. And for future reference, are only allowed to contact developers? Because that would be pretty exciting to do myself. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Soetermans, go for it! Everyone is an ambassador to open knowledge czar 16:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've just emailed the developer, asking for some free-licensed images. Those on design would be very helpful. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:49, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- I got a reply with a link to the presskit. I've added three images to the article, now it looks like this. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Soetermans, nice! Be sure to get their consent registered through email/OTRS. czar 14:28, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- I got a reply with a link to the presskit. I've added three images to the article, now it looks like this. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've just emailed the developer, asking for some free-licensed images. Those on design would be very helpful. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:49, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Soetermans, go for it! Everyone is an ambassador to open knowledge czar 16:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- I missed the AfD, glad it's still around. Thanks for the kind words. Well, I guess getting it to DYK isn't going to work. GA might be a good idea though. And for future reference, are only allowed to contact developers? Because that would be pretty exciting to do myself. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- Looks familiar... @Soetermans, I think that's great. My thoughts on DYK are that it's worth it as long as you can justify the nomination process. I used to do this more with indie games and found that their devs appreciated the exposure too (and were perhaps more willing to relicense visual assets as cc-by-sa when the images had a chance to show on the front page of Wikipedia). Do you want me to contact the dev for images? The issue with this nomination is that it isn't new enough for the DYK criteria (though I don't know if it has changed since the last time I checked). This was the article's state in October 2015, so since the expansion wasn't 1500 characters from scratch, the article would need to expand 5x from this October state, which isn't happening. Your best bet is to finish the last few steps to get it to GA, which will make it eligible. The DYK process itself makes the article marginally within policy (checks for citations, removes unreliable sources, general cleanup) and requires that you find a super strong (sourced: 3b) fact. If you were to ask WTVG to help look out for your nom, I'm sure several editors would help it along. Like most things on WP, the DYK process is a little esoteric but gets easier with a few runs. (I'm not sure that WPVG is itself more focused on the cultural perception of video games, but the games media sure is and as a tertiary source, we're reflective of that.) czar 14:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Baywatch (film)
Hello czar! Please move Draft:Baywatch (film) to Baywatch (film) — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 21:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
G. Kogelen Govindasamy
Hi Czar,
I'm terribly sorry for troubling you, but I noticed that you've recently deleted several AfD entries from February 15, and you're an admin no less. I was hoping, could you perhaps review the article G. Kogelen Govindasamy (nominated on 22nd Feb) as well ? Normally, I understand that the process usually takes a week or a maximum 10 days, but I was hoping that a consensus for the AfD could be reached much sooner, if possible, within the next few hours ? I hope you could help us resolve the matter. Regards, Aero777 (talk) 02:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @Aero777, AfDs run for at minimum a week and perhaps longer if there is no consensus. When you say "us", do you have an affiliation with the subject? If so, you should disclose on the article's talk page, per the conflict of interest guidelines. If the subject indeed wants their page deleted, that is sometimes taken into account, but they should email Wikipedia to register their opinion/rationale. czar 03:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Czar, thanks for responding. Indeed, I do have an affiliation with the subject, and he urgently requests to have the above article deleted as it is creating much misunderstanding and affecting his credibility. I am aware that it may take a week under standard policy, but is there a way to speed up the process, perhaps under Speedy deletion ? Thanks for your kind cooperation. Aero777 (talk) 04:01, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- I left a note at User_talk:Jonathan_A_Jones#G._Kogelen_Govindasamy czar 04:29, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Collateral Beauty
Hello czar! Please move Draft:Collateral Beauty → Collateral Beauty — I have not added the filming citation so you could move it easily. I will add the source and infobox as soon as you move it. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 17:27, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 00:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Input on RfC
Hi. Would you please voice your opinion on this matter at The Man Who Sold the World (album)? It concerns the infobox guideline on album covers, specifically "the official version of the original cover" and "alternate covers". Dan56 (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Zotero
Hello.
I've received a newsletter about Zotero that I thought you'd like to read as well. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2016-February/084840.html --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- @MrLinkinPark333, thanks! (I actually helped organize this.) czar 00:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Just jumping into this thread to avoid bulking up your talk page and to thank you for the helpful Zotero-related link at WT:VG, but also I wanted to draw your attention to something that took me a while to figure out... Pings like this (and like this illustration) don't work. For the ping to work properly you have to sign with the four tildes at exactly the same time as the ping template executes. The specifics of how a ping work aren't really easy to learn on Wikipedia until you make a mistake and for a long time I thought people were simply ignoring me when I would ping and get no response. Someone finally told me that signing afterward or pinging afterward won't work and since then it's worked every time. If you want to add a ping to a comment you have to replace your old sig with the 4 tildes again. Anyway maybe you already knew that and this was just an oversight... If so then sorry for the long and needless explanations. :) -Thibbs (talk) 15:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Thibbs, thanks for looking out. I actually knew about the four tildes (and did that—perhaps it didn't show in the diff), but the part I never remember is something about a newline character... or something like that czar 15:49, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- It's weird, though, because I didn't get the ping... I wonder if you ping and re-sign within the same minute that you originally wrote the note then perhaps it also fails? That's probably why it didn't show any change in the last ping I wrote anyway. Weird. -Thibbs (talk) 16:02, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Re: Fantasy War Tactics moved to draftsapce
Hi, I just read your notice on the Fantasy War Tactics being moved to draftspace, but I could not find any thing on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fantasy_War_Tactics. Could you help me on this?
ps. I will get the citations right with the content and put them through AfC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juno.nxn (talk • contribs) 08:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Juno.nxn, the article was moved out of draftspace by another user. I removed the unsourced information, which needs references (ideally from vetted video game sources). Was the game only reviewed by those two sources? czar 14:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Czar, I summarized two more reviews from different game sites but I guess those sites are not credible sources for game reviews and I guess that's why they were removed? I'm just wondering where can I find the removed contents of the original page (the contents that did not have proper references), because I can't find it on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fantasy_War_Tactics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juno.nxn (talk • contribs) 03:58, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Juno.nxn, check out the "History" tab atop the page: old version. I removed NerdStash as an unreliable source. You can find a list of vetted sources at WP:VG/RS. czar 04:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Czar, Hi, thanks for the information, I will have a look. I have one last question. For the images like game logo and screenshots of the game that will be posted on the Wikipedia page through Wikicommons, I'm not sure which license I need to choose from the category when I'm posting them on Wikicommons. I've looked at other game Wikipedia pages and the images on the page all have a summary called "non-free media information and use rationale for "game title," but I cannot do the same for the images I want to upload. Could you guide me if possible :(? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juno.nxn (talk • contribs) 05:27, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Juno.nxn, sure—just upload to the English Wikipedia site instead of Commons (the latter is used by all Wikipedias and does not host non-free content). You can follow the prompts at Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload cover art and a screenshot. czar 13:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Czar, Thank you very much for your help, I appreciate it !
- @Juno.nxn, sure—just upload to the English Wikipedia site instead of Commons (the latter is used by all Wikipedias and does not host non-free content). You can follow the prompts at Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload cover art and a screenshot. czar 13:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Czar, Hi, thanks for the information, I will have a look. I have one last question. For the images like game logo and screenshots of the game that will be posted on the Wikipedia page through Wikicommons, I'm not sure which license I need to choose from the category when I'm posting them on Wikicommons. I've looked at other game Wikipedia pages and the images on the page all have a summary called "non-free media information and use rationale for "game title," but I cannot do the same for the images I want to upload. Could you guide me if possible :(? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juno.nxn (talk • contribs) 05:27, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Juno.nxn, check out the "History" tab atop the page: old version. I removed NerdStash as an unreliable source. You can find a list of vetted sources at WP:VG/RS. czar 04:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Czar, I summarized two more reviews from different game sites but I guess those sites are not credible sources for game reviews and I guess that's why they were removed? I'm just wondering where can I find the removed contents of the original page (the contents that did not have proper references), because I can't find it on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fantasy_War_Tactics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juno.nxn (talk • contribs) 03:58, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Indie Game Reviewer deletion
Strongly disagree that this site does not have notability. Though references can be updated, deletion is eliminating an important part of the independent game development ecosystem, and this entry is highly cited by many other wikipedia entries.
Additionally: "It is rare that news sites will write about news sites, so difficult to find notability in that way, however there are many legitimate companies that reference the site in question and moreover as I pointed out above - the entry itself is used by dozens of other wikipedia pages as a legitimate reference for their own award and accolades and otherwise. So how then, does this exclude the site itself from being relevant? If you could kindly reconsider this important page, to the ecosystem, I will make attempts to find more recent and active links that are not from the site itself. Some quick examples from a current google search:
- Lyteshot: http://www.lyteshot.com/lyteshot-at-indiecade-video-demo-for-indie-game-reviewer/
- Jennifer Hanley, professional playwright: http://jenniferhaley.com/post/71321780496/indie-game-reviewer-the-nether
- Dorkshelf: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/dork-shelf/the-whalecast/e/the-whalecast-episode-35-keram-malickisanchez-and-virtual-reality-40929335
- Femhype: http://femhype.com/2016/02/26/blanket-fort-chats-game-making-with-tanya-kan-part-i/
- Tracy Fullerton - Game Designer/Professor USC - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Fullerton ( one of many wiki examples)
- From the GDC China website - top entry "IGF Success stories" - http://www.gdcchina.com/events/igf_voices.html
- Mail & Guardian - http://mg.co.za/article/2011-09-30-desktop-trap-is-a-cracker
Again, I reassert - that Indie Game Reviewer is widespread, and though they do not cover AAA titles but rather a far more diverse and underground sector of the games market, an integral and naturally integrated part of the ecosystem." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gematria (talk • contribs) 09:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Gematria, the discussion was at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indie Game Reviewer—was there a reason why you didn't participate there? The outcome of the discussion was that there were not enough reliable sources to cover the topic in depth. At a glance, none of the above links would help that—they are either patently unreliable sources (blogs without reputations for fact-checking or editorial quality) or passing mentions of the topic. As for the entry being used by dozens of other pages—the page is not linked from any other WP page. There are two ideas here: (1) whether the topic is notable enough for its own WP page (the general notability guideline), and (2) whether the site is reliable as a source to be used on other WP pages (a matter of reliable sources, commonly discussed at the video game reliable sources page). My only participation in this deletion discussion was in closing the discussion when there was consensus to delete. I'll say, based on experience, that the above sources won't be enough to overturn the deletion (if brought to the community) and that we already use many established websites that cover indie games. czar 14:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Online Soccer Manager
Hi there,
You left a Message on me talk page about the article Online Soccer Manager which is now a draft, whats the real issue of the page?,, i can expand it with more sources if needs.
Regards, BerendWorst (talk) 11:34, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- @BerendWorst, it needs to have sources to verify its content (verifiability is a core tenet of Wikipedia). I'd recommend adding footnotes and using vetted video game reliable sources. If the game has not been the subject of several independent reviews from reliable sources (?), I'd recommend merging the content to a parent article or deleting the page. czar 14:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
New cites in The Mud Connector
I've added three new book citations with substantive discussion of the nature of The Mud Connector to its article (ignoring all of the passing mentions that just refer the reader to the site as an authoritative source, or the authoritative source). Please review in case this alters your opinion regarding its AfD. —chaos5023 (talk) 17:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Power Rangers (film)
Hello czar! I forgot to ask you for this moving request, yesterday. Please move or histmerge Draft:Power Rangers (film) → Power Rangers (film) — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 02:02, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done on good faith, but I think you can do better with the sourcing czar 03:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- Can you please help me extracting a fact from the Power Rangers for DYK? Actually I couldn't find one. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 12:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, your best bet will be something about how the original characters/Rangers are set to reappear/cameo in the new film (couldn't check because the Collider link is down). Also, sometimes it's worth skipping DYK-eligible nominations when the article consists mostly of routine facts—I know I have. czar 14:03, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah sure, I was thinking about skipping it too. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 14:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, your best bet will be something about how the original characters/Rangers are set to reappear/cameo in the new film (couldn't check because the Collider link is down). Also, sometimes it's worth skipping DYK-eligible nominations when the article consists mostly of routine facts—I know I have. czar 14:03, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Can you please help me extracting a fact from the Power Rangers for DYK? Actually I couldn't find one. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 12:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Credibility Issues with Madeline 1st and 2nd Grade Math
Hello, I have noticed that you added the unreliable sources tag to the above article and I have a question about it. I have expanded and researched the subject of the article and I honestly believe I have exhausted all the information that I could use for a source on the page. Since this is 17-year-old children's edugame being discussed in the article, the quality of the sources are not going to be the best when compared to articles on more recent games. Which sources in particular are you identifying as unreliable?
I have included websites, like Games4Girls and www.superkids.com, as they are some of the only places I could find reviews for the games. I thought www.prnewswire.com was appropriate for its use in the article as I am using it to cite press releases. I can understand www.closinglogos.com as unreliable (it was also the only website that I could find that discussed the closure of Creative Wonders) and would be willing to delete it if that is the only concern.
I apologize for any inconvenience, but I just wanted to try and make the article the best it could be (I have recently put it up for GAN) and since I am still new to Wikipedia, I want to avoid any future mistakes. I am also surprised that the article got tagged after it was reassessed and promoted to a B-class article so I just wanted to hear more about why you tagged the page. Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 01:08, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Aoba47, I recommend starting with the video game reliable sources custom Google search for game sources, but suffice it to say that there are not many major (at least remaining) reviews on this subject. We have to work backwards from the sources—it's not that we write an article and try to find sources later but that if there are not enough sources, we should find something else to do with the content. Typically, when dealing with tie-in games, it's best to build out a series article (e.g., Madeleine video games). I remember looking through your sources earlier today, but if I can recollect, the sites you mentioned did not have any hallmarks of reliable sources. The newspaper stuff could be okay and even the press release stuff can be used as a self-published source, but without coverage from multiple, reliable, independent sources, there likely isn't enough for a full article. czar 03:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for your quick response. I completely understand and it would probably be more beneficial to build out a series article under Madeleine video games. I randomly stumbled across this article while looking through video game stubs and thought I might as well try to expand it and make it work. I did not create the page so I did not as you said "we write an article and try to find sources later" as I did try to go into this article with the best intentions to expand it. If you feel it necessary, then I would recommend nominating the article for deletion (I could also be the one to nominate it for deletion if you would prefer). I have also deleted the GAN from the talk page, which should remove it from the nomination there. I do admit that I am disappointed since I tried my best, but thank you for your help! I hope I did not come across as rude. Aoba47 (talk) 03:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- My primary question is: What should be done with the page now? I still personally find the resources appropriate given the subject of the page, but it seems like it is leaning more toward deletion. Aoba47 (talk) 05:26, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Aoba47, the page wouldn't need to be deleted, as the reliable stuff can be merged to a Madeleine video games article when someone is willing. It shouldn't take too much to make that series article into a GAN, if you're interested! I can help wherever possible, or you might find collaborators by asking at WT:VG. czar 17:11, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response and your suggestions. And the merge/series article sounds like the best possible option. Unfortunately, I will be too busy with school to do any heavy-lifting with the article, but I am glad that I left some raw material up for anyone else willing to create a series article. Thank you for your time and have a great day! Aoba47 (talk) 17:18, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Aoba47, the page wouldn't need to be deleted, as the reliable stuff can be merged to a Madeleine video games article when someone is willing. It shouldn't take too much to make that series article into a GAN, if you're interested! I can help wherever possible, or you might find collaborators by asking at WT:VG. czar 17:11, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- My primary question is: What should be done with the page now? I still personally find the resources appropriate given the subject of the page, but it seems like it is leaning more toward deletion. Aoba47 (talk) 05:26, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for your quick response. I completely understand and it would probably be more beneficial to build out a series article under Madeleine video games. I randomly stumbled across this article while looking through video game stubs and thought I might as well try to expand it and make it work. I did not create the page so I did not as you said "we write an article and try to find sources later" as I did try to go into this article with the best intentions to expand it. If you feel it necessary, then I would recommend nominating the article for deletion (I could also be the one to nominate it for deletion if you would prefer). I have also deleted the GAN from the talk page, which should remove it from the nomination there. I do admit that I am disappointed since I tried my best, but thank you for your help! I hope I did not come across as rude. Aoba47 (talk) 03:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
The Lego Batman Movie
Hello czar! Please move Draft:The Lego Batman Movie → The Lego Batman Movie — It's an animated film so no need to confirm the production start. Its release date is just a year away so it might be in production at studio. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 16:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, is there evidence that it's out of pre-production (per WP:NFF)? I can still move the page, but no guarantees on what would happen next if it doesn't meet NFF czar 17:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry I can't find any source confirming that, but see, are there any sources confirming that in these films: Cars 3, My Little Pony, and Coco. And these films are even scheduled to release later than this film, same year. So it ought to be in the mainspace, I think. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 17:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!,
In the case of animated films, reliable sources must confirm that the film is clearly out of the pre-production process, meaning that the final animation frames are actively being drawn and/or rendered, and final recordings of voice-overs and music have commenced.
— WP:NFF- Yeah sure. But wait for a bit, if someone make an issue of it, I'll start discussion about it. Thanks for now. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:06, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!,
- Sorry I can't find any source confirming that, but see, are there any sources confirming that in these films: Cars 3, My Little Pony, and Coco. And these films are even scheduled to release later than this film, same year. So it ought to be in the mainspace, I think. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 17:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Eric Sexton
Eric Sexton has written to Wikimedia inquiring about the fact that there is no longer an article about him. I see that you converted the article to the redirect. Was there a deletion discussion? Would you explain the circumstances that led to the removal of the article?
I plan to point Eric to this discussion so that he understands what happened, and can further discuss with you if necessary. I don’t intend to be further involved as there are several hundred open requests at OTRS to handle.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:47, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Sphilbrick, I redirected the article because there was not enough reliable coverage on the subject with which to write a full article. (Put formally, the topic lacked significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources.) (?) Sexton's page redirects to the Diablo series, his most notable work. Thanks for your help at OTRS. czar 18:04, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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- @Czar Having been in the industry for 20 years, I would think that several of the projects I worked on would be considered notable. All 3 Diablo games, Borderlands 2, and other Gearbox titles. I dont know how Wikipedia works on the back end but this is the easiest link I can give to my past works. http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,11646/ I am currently working for Crate Entertainment and we just launched Grim Dawn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_Dawn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.35.96.202 (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Those projects are all notable (they have their own pages), but Sexton (you?), as a topic, doesn't have enough independent coverage in sources to warrant its own page. Anything said about Sexton in reliable sources can be said in the context of one of the game articles you mentioned. We do not consider MobyGames to be a reliable source. czar 20:59, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Czar Having been in the industry for 20 years, I would think that several of the projects I worked on would be considered notable. All 3 Diablo games, Borderlands 2, and other Gearbox titles. I dont know how Wikipedia works on the back end but this is the easiest link I can give to my past works. http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,11646/ I am currently working for Crate Entertainment and we just launched Grim Dawn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_Dawn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.35.96.202 (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Maze Runner: The Death Cure
Hello czar! Please move Draft:Maze Runner: The Death Cure → Maze Runner: The Death Cure — It will begin filming on March 14, but moving now will prevent other from creating the article and making it difficult to move the draft. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 16:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done (and no worries on the Lego Batman stuff) czar 16:31, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Fast 8
Hello czar! My friend here 4TheWynne, did a copy-past creation of the article. Would please be a help and move or HISTMERGE Draft:Fast 8 → Fast 8? So all the editing history can be shown in the mainspace article. — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 02:50, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 04:19, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Trainspotting 2
Hello again, please move Draft:Trainspotting 2 → Trainspotting 2 — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 06:57, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Re: Characters of Drakengard
I've taken your advice about the article. It's basically non-existent now. All the relevant information in them has been incorporated into the other Drakengard articles. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake, looks good—nice work! czar 20:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Thrill Jockey
Hi! I'm sort of confused. Because I thought that you use that when a label refers to them only by that name, such as Dead Oceans or Secretly Canadian. Those are not truncated from a longer name, but Thrill Jockey is. So how does that apply? All other Wiki label pages that I have seen follow that logic. For example, Paper Garden is called Paper Garden Records, not just Paper Garden. Just interested in learning. Thanks! MetropolisHearts (talk) 22:36, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @MetropolisHearts, Wikipedia:Article titles follow how the reliable sources refer to the subject. For instance, while its official name might be "Thrill Jockey Records", sources more often refer to it as "Thrill Jockey" (not needing the "Records" to distinguish it from other Thrill Jockeys). The article titles page has more on the naming process. I can't confirm how sources refer to Paper Garden as it has no reliable, secondary sources. I had no significant hits in my music sources search. Would you have any? Otherwise it might be a candidate for deletion. czar 22:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining. That makes more sense and clears up a lot of confusion. I'm not sure if I can find any reliable, secondary sources for that label as it is a smaller independent label. I just found that online as I was trying to see how individual Wiki label page titles are titled. This article (http://www.brooklynvegan.com/whats-going-fri-1/) seems to call it buy the full name. However, another article (http://www.brooklynvegan.com/alcoholic-faith/) by them seems to call it by its shorter name in its title but refers to its full name in the prose. It does have a following from what I found online but looks pretty small. I would say nominate it for deletion because it does not seem very notable. MetropolisHearts (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Why Him?
Hello, please move Draft:Why Him? → Why Him? — It needs a little upgrade which I will do later. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 03:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Rust
I'm sorry if this is harsh, but this edit has got to be one of the least helpful assessments I've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, your feedback is very welcome, but I just have no idea what to make of it as it is. Could you expound on the following two points, please?
- needs each paragraph sourced
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- Why? And to what purpose? Citations are generally understood to refer to everything questionable to have appeared since the last citation. So, for example, if you look at the opening two paragraphs, you will see that everything in them is supported by citation number 1.
- and lede of more representative length
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- What do you mean by 'representative length'? Are you suggesting the lede needs to be longer or shorter? By how much?
You can reply here, on my talk page or at the article page, I'll check all three. Thanks in advance! MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 03:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- @MjolnirPants, yeah, I think you could have phrased that much more to your advantage. I see two paragraphs in the Gameplay section without citations. The lede needs to summarize the article—it should include the basics of gameplay, more of the details of dev (why Facepunch chose the project, the history of the team). It will likely need to be longer for that reason. There is also plenty more Reception in a simple video game reliable sources custom Google search. That should be better paraphrased as well in order to be closer to B status. czar 03:47, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for expounding. For the record, what I meant by "I'm sorry if this is harsh but..." was more along the lines of "this looks like an extremely pointy edit, but I want to assume good faith." Your input is, of course, appreciated. I just wanted some actual input. Thanks again! MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Right, and if you actually felt that way, I don't see how it is more effective to not keep it to yourself. Fulfilling a run-of-the-mill reassessment request is not even close to "disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point". czar 16:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for expounding. For the record, what I meant by "I'm sorry if this is harsh but..." was more along the lines of "this looks like an extremely pointy edit, but I want to assume good faith." Your input is, of course, appreciated. I just wanted some actual input. Thanks again! MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
(talk page driveby) @MjolnirPants: please note that the only thing that is required to address a "reassessment=y" tag is to pick an assessment. The responder doesn't need to supply comments at all. Often people (by which I mean me, since I answer the majority of the requests) do a mini-PR to be helpful, but it's not required, and if you don't like what you get feel free to open an actual PR. --PresN 02:36, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
"removed redirects"
In case you find it useful, I have a little CSS that identifies redirects in navboxes (and a few other places):
.navbox .mw-redirect, .vertical-navbox .mw-redirect { font-style: italic; color: red; }
Another user beside me has found it useful. --Izno (talk) 11:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Senlie Team
Hey Czar, long time. Please email me Senile Team article. I will recreate it when I have more references. I'll put it in my sandbox and present it to you before restoring it.--Cube b3 (talk) 05:47, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Cube b3, instead of copy/pasting it to your sandbox, I moved the edit history to User:Cube b3/Senile Team. Please get the consensus of the previous AfD participants before moving it. czar 06:17, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Double standards
How you doing man? Have you heard of Classic Game Room. We have worked on retro articles, so I assume you enjoy CGR. It is one of the finest YouTube shows for retro gamers. But, I noticed that the article is largely composed of primary references from YouTube, and Amazon links to his DVD's. Not saying the article is unreliable or not notable. I think it is a fine article.
My Goat Store article had a lot more secondary references from approved list of websites than CGR. From a historical notability point of view Goat Store is the pioneer of independently released commercial Dreamcast games. Service Games (Sega history book) spoke off the independent Dreamcast scene acknowledging Goat Store, Water Melon and Redspotgames. These companies are historically notable. Yet, GSP was deleted. WM redirects to Pier Solar even though they have released so many games. Lastly, RSG which is like one of my best articles with over 20 references is still nominated for deletion.
I don't think things are about notability. I think it is about popularity. CGR is on Wikipedia cause he has like a 100,000 subscribers. It doesn't matter if the references are video clips of him from YouTube cause he is famous where as indie publishing labels or developers that strive to release games on independent consoles are not notable.
I share and discuss this with you, cause we have worked together in the past and I will be trying one last time to give dev teams I support a presence on Wikipedia.--Cube b3 (talk) 04:16, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @Cube b3, it would help for you to link directly to the pages you mention so I can see their history/discussion, etc. I'm not sure what Goat Store is. Notability on Wikipedia is determined by a depth of secondary, reliable sources. CGR is a little messy right now and the only source that appears to be worthwhile towards explaining its wider significance is the Destructoid interview. It might be a candidate for something. (I actually think the article should be about Mark Bussler, with CGR as a section...) Your other articles are not helped by the refbomb of primary sources (Twitter, dev pages, etc.) You would likely be best off maintaining a list that contains one sentence on each game, with each sentence sourced to the one video games reliable source that has covered the content. As of now, it would probably be best covered within an article about Dreamcast games. This all said, Wikipedia is not the place to grind an axe about what deserves more coverage. Your time would be better served to bring this "scene" to some of the aforementioned games journalism sites, and once they cover the articles, we would have credence for doing so ourselves. We are a tertiary source—we do not cover things editors like but things that editors have seen covered in vetted, reliable, secondary sources. Notability is determined by how much something is covered by newspapers and website of record, not by a channel's subscriber or follower count. czar 13:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- If I get websites to cover it such as Dreamcast-Scene where I am a contributor. I get slapped with a conflict of interest. Look at RedSpotGames, I worked extremely hard to write a non bias article. I have documented all noteworthy activity with reliable references. I have even documented all their screw ups. It's not like I wrote a one sided article or an advertisement.
- If you can look into it, please look at Goat Store and RedSpotGames. Goat Store is especially notable for the aforementioned reasons. Without Goat Store the American indie scene for retro consoles would be almost non existent.
- As for the CGR article, I thought it was accurate. I watch him every now and then so they did document the notable milestones. I would have liked more explanation. Like why did he leave YouTube and then what brought him back. The article just says he left and then he came back. Also CGR is a company, they have other shows with people other than Marc. Offcourse Marc is the most famous just like AVGN is the most famous character from Cinemassacre.Cube b3 (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Cube b3, I didn't say Dreamcast-Scene—I said the already-vetted video game reliable sources. Here's what I can do: (1) WP is not the place to synthesize a history of RSG from primary sources—I suggest moving that stuff to a personal archive or a wiki with a different scope. (2) I compiled a bunch of those vetted reliable sources at Dreamcast homebrew where we can build a single article. No primary sources are necessary here. The point is to recap, as a tertiary source, what the reliable, secondary sources say about the Dreamcast homebrew community/scene. There is plenty of coverage, but all of it is quite shallow on the whole (tends to be a sentence or two about an announcement). The goal here would be a narrative of how the community has formed and changed in the Community section (which can also mention the major dev/publishers by name) and then to have a list of prominent games (only the ones covered in reliable, secondary sources) in the Games section. (3) Re: CGR and on the whole, remember that WP's goal is to present the sources, not to find the truth. I suggested the change to the CGR article not based on intuition and influence but on the sources: there is more coverage of Bussler than of CGR itself, though I wouldn't say that either has an abundance. czar 01:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- I think we are getting somewhere now. (1) Please have a look at the RSG article. I have destroyed my entire spring break trying to improve that article. I have proceeded to comment out a lot of the stuff that only had primary sources. None of the DCS articles are written by employees of RSG so we can't consider them primary. (2) Goat Store is a notable company. First and foremost it is one of the finest retro stores based in US. I would say they are more notable than Game Over Videogames but it would appear their page has been deleted... wow. Nonetheless, there is another company inside GOAT Store called Goat Store Publishing. Goat Store also sponsors Midwest Gaming Classic. Remember Sega helped create E3. At this years MGC GSP is confirmed to have a booth and I am certain SLaVE will be released on the show like the Sega Saturn was released on E3. They will also be announcing two games there. Note that it is not the developer or the game that has a booth. It is always the publisher which makes the publishers notable. I also used GOAT Store page to drop a line, with a reference for their upcoming games. It is exponentially less time consuming to do that and redirect the upcoming game to GOAT Store instead of creating a page for it. Also the worst part is the admin that deleted GOAT Store ignored my post on his talk page.
- (3) Homebrew is not indie. 90% of homebrew does not get any coverage, not even on DCS. When the site relaunched on wordpress 5 years ago. We removed all homebrew content. It was extremely difficult to find accurate stuff on and there are thousands of apps, games, tools. We do have archives on it but someone would probably write a book on it rather than bring it back on the website. DCS since 2010 has only focused on talking about notable games. Homebrew are garage projects released as freeware and anyone who knows programming has released something for Dreamcast. Also these tools have hundreds of authors cause it's opensource or whatever so attribution is excruciatingly difficult. Indie on the other hand are proper companies with listed members. Also their activity is designed to be commercial. They mail out press releases and their projects usually push the boundary of the scene. Every game that Senile Team has worked on has been the first for Dreamcast. They are just small LLC's like Bleem. Whereas homebrew is like just someone doing something, sharing it on a message board and it snow balls. Homebrew is notable to an esoteric community where as indie projects are main stream. Another hurdle is we have lost all Dreamcast homebrew history. We could dig up magazine articles between 1999 - 2002 which will be excrutiating but beyond that all information is offline. The most reliable website DC Evolution has been offline for many years. DC Emu Uk exists and it is reliable but it is a website harder to navigate than Eidolons Inn. An easier idea would be Indie Dreamcast Developments, the article could start from early projects such as the port of Quake. Then Bleemcast and all the other emulators that crowded the scene and finally the creation of KallistiOS which lead to Goat Store... We have List of commercially released independently developed Dreamcast games to use as a model. Nonetheless, this would would be a tremendous undertaking. There is so much history and finding it all would be really stressful, especially since websites keep going offline. Even from the list of approved websites, these links die. I had to go through web archive to find the Kotaku reference for Alice Dreams Tournament.--Cube b3 (talk) 02:58, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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Homebrew are garage projects released as freeware ... Homebrew is notable to an esoteric community ...
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- @Cube b3, I didn't say Dreamcast-Scene—I said the already-vetted video game reliable sources. Here's what I can do: (1) WP is not the place to synthesize a history of RSG from primary sources—I suggest moving that stuff to a personal archive or a wiki with a different scope. (2) I compiled a bunch of those vetted reliable sources at Dreamcast homebrew where we can build a single article. No primary sources are necessary here. The point is to recap, as a tertiary source, what the reliable, secondary sources say about the Dreamcast homebrew community/scene. There is plenty of coverage, but all of it is quite shallow on the whole (tends to be a sentence or two about an announcement). The goal here would be a narrative of how the community has formed and changed in the Community section (which can also mention the major dev/publishers by name) and then to have a list of prominent games (only the ones covered in reliable, secondary sources) in the Games section. (3) Re: CGR and on the whole, remember that WP's goal is to present the sources, not to find the truth. I suggested the change to the CGR article not based on intuition and influence but on the sources: there is more coverage of Bussler than of CGR itself, though I wouldn't say that either has an abundance. czar 01:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Anon Kanon
They are not Video game characters, the List of Vocaloid products page is being retired at the end of the month and Vocaloid (software), Vocaloid 2, Vocaloid 3 and Vocaloid 4 will take over the handling of information. The article complies with Music software guidiance and/or Speech synthesis guidiance, not Video Gaming one as each "Vocaloid" is independently handling by various companies. In regards to the sources, while they do not comply with video game ones (which as I said they wouldn't not being video game related), those said sources all come from legit reliable sources, either Anon Kanon's twitter account, homepage or Yamaha's own Vocaloid website.
The Voclaoid products list has also been under threat of deletion, it has taken me a while to sort it to get rid of it. The current system we've had to put up as a make-shift handling while things get into a position to get rid of it is not good either. Its got a lot of redundant information on it and isn't significant enough as a page to handle things. As time goes by, the voclaoid franchise is growing. I've been working on the aim of removing it since 2014, I was held up by the release of Vocaloid 4 most of last year. Which meant I had to put my time onto the vocaloid wikia, rather then addressing the situation on wikipedia. Now I'm finally doing things up as things have become lesser. A lot of the issues related to Vocaloid is that the information for it is all over the place, so anyone doing the editing is up against a wall as first it has to be found. I have to keep this encyclopedic for wikipedia as well so what is good enough on the wikia may not be good enough here.
Please understand the difficultly at hand, and please be aware of all of this. I'm not happy with the fact you have displayed ignorance on the subject matter you have put up for deletion.. Aside from the fact the references need fixing since I cannot write them in wikipedia's preferred format, which I would love help with, please be aware that the Vocaloid pages are currently under re-organisation. If you wish to put stuff up for deletion, I suggest you check what reasons you are aiming to get rid of it on. However, I know that a lot of people do not actually know what Vocaloid is, even when they are "fans" of it... So I am understanding when mistakes like this are made over it. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 08:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Angel Emfrbl, I didn't say they were. The article was categorized as a "video games" article for the Vocaloid's use in some game, so I just noted that there is no mention of that in any source. Your work on making a page for each Vocaloid is indeed better suited for Wikia. Wikipedia only hosts pages on subjects about which we can write a full article based on reliable, secondary sources. If your only sources are primary to the subject (its company's website), then there isn't enough to write a full article and you should look at merging or deleting the page. When we say "reliable" source, we mean "reliable for statements of fact". A primary source can only be as reliable as one can talk about itself. We also rely on established, trusted sources to tell us whether something is important enough to need its own page of coverage. (If something only has primary source coverage, it doesn't need its own page.) It's not productive to think of Vocaloid products as "under threat of deletion"—whoever created the recent batch of articles in the last week would do well to merge them somewhere to save us the burden of a deletion discussion on each one. Let me know how I can help. czar 13:28, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
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- To be honest... Judging by your response, you can't help at all, but rather hinder things greatly. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 06:54, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- (Again, I didn't say it was.) You need more than primary sources to show that quality outlets find the individual products important (that is, a parent company cannot make its product important just by writing about it by itself). Unless you have reliable, secondary sources to write the articles of which you speak, you'd be better off making those articles in another wiki. If you don't have secondary sources (and few of the recent Vocaloid articles do), they will end up deleted and waste a lot of time in discussion. WP:42 and the general notability guideline are important to keep in mind here... czar 07:04, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- To be honest... Judging by your response, you can't help at all, but rather hinder things greatly. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 06:54, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Okay—your call. If you have reliable, secondary sources, I can try to help. If not, there's a lot of cleanup to do. czar 07:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- Not all the pages are equal to each other, as the Vocaloids ar eboth software and characters independantly being governed by each company. Macne Nana for example, was in 3 other software before she transferred to Vocaloid. However, my main reason for leaving it be is also that in the past, I found that when a page was deleted and went to vote, if people did not like the series, game, book, whatever it was, then they will deliberately gang up to see it gone. This is why I do not wish to defend things on wikipedia I make, even when they are to standard. ITs not you, or this issue, its past experience. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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Rhythm Tengoku
Hi Czar,
Through {{Nintendo franchises}} I stumbled upon Rhythm Tengoku. Not realising it is the article on a game and not the franchise, I moved it to Rhythm Heaven (series), but I'm not able to undo my move. Could you maybe help out? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Soetermans, ✓ all is restored czar 15:18, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
XCubelabs page deletion
Hi Czar,
It has come to our notice that the page XCubelabs page- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCubeLabs has been deleted by you. We were aware that the page was up for review and thereafter made significant changes in toning down its promotional nature as per suggestions by you and other members. We would like to adhere to the wikipedia guidelines and present our page as an informative source on the company. [x]cubeLABS is a 8 year old company and we have worked with several big brands and built some remarkable digital products and solutions. The page will help millions of netizens who rely on wikipedia for information know about us and our work. We therefore request you to review the existing page and help us in creating a page complying with the Wikipedia guidelines. What do you suggest? Please let us know.
Thanks Nklivester (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @Nklivester, the deleted page (XCubeLabs) links to its deletion discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XCubeLabs), which has a clear consensus for deleting the article based on our policy (simplified version). Promotional tone is an issue, but the primary issue is quality of sources. The editors wrote that they do not see the requisite coverage in their searches. If you think you have a case, I'd take it up with the individuals who were convinced that the sourcing was insufficient. My only part in the discussion was enacting what was the consensus. czar 15:14, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Czar,
Thanks for your reply and feedback. If requisite coverage or quality of sources is an issue then we can surely update it with links like these:
Video 1 - Here CNBC TV18 a popular business channel in India covered our company and interviewed our CEO.
Video 2 - Our CEO Mr. Bharat Lingam is participating in a panel discussion in Nasscom Product Conclave. Nasscom is a prestigious industry body in India.
Web reference 1 - We won the prestigious Core77 Design award. This page on their website provides project details etc.
Web reference 2 - Here App index, a reputed app development marketplace, lists us as a top Android app developer.
You can also visit our website www.xcubelabs.com to know about the work we have done and our client lists. It would be great if you can please take this issue with other individuals involved in the review process and review your decision.
Thanks Nklivester (talk) 06:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Kingsman: The Golden Circle
Hello czar! Please merge Draft:Kingsman: The Secret Service 2 → Draft:Kingsman: The Golden Circle — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 15:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Patriots' Day (film)
Hello again! Please move Draft:Patriots' Day (film) → Patriots' Day (film) — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 16:30, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 16:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Re: Company page 'Incedo' nominated for speedy deletion
Please let us know what are the primary reasons for the deletion of the company page I created because we replaced the link because of which the page was supposedly deleted. We'll be obliged if you'll guide us to create a new page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lean Hippo (talk • contribs) 08:26, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Lean Hippo, there was a discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incedo) and its consensus was to delete the article based on a lack of significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) czar 13:33, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Undeletion Request - Curses 'N Chaos
Undelete the most recent mainspace version of Curses 'N Chaos. You CSDed a not-CSD candidate. You've salted a page that had not previously been AFDed. - hahnchen 14:23, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
- I had been planning on (properly) creating this title with a wikified and properly referenced article, it's been on my to-do list for a while. If it works for you both to wait for a few days until I actually do it, I think it'd be quite preferable to restoring the quite bad version that was deleted (whether it was CSD'able or not). Deal? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 15:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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- @Hahnchen, it was a redirect to draftspace so it qualified for WP:R2. The protection is autoconfirmed, not admin, so you're free to move the draft out of draftspace if you so choose. Or you could wait for Salv. If you still want it, I can undo the speedy and you can see for yourself. czar 16:13, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Your Draft AFC enrollments
Hi there. I see you recently enrolled several pages into AFC Draft mode. Please be aware that the way you did it, did not include the page creator or the time that the page was enrolled into AFC. The optimal way to do this is by {{subst:AFC draft|USERNAME}} where USERNAME is the creator of the page. This way the page gets stamped with the date the draft was enrolled into AFC and the author for the purposes of G13 cleanup. Furthermore not all pages in the Draft namespace are AFC submissions, and not all AFC submissions are in the Draft namespace. Some editors may not want to use the AFC process (as it has the 6 months unedited deletion behind it). Hasteur (talk) 13:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
The True Memoirs of an International Assassin
Hello czar! Please move Draft:The True Memoirs of an International Assassin → The True Memoirs of an International Assassin — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:03, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done. No relation, I presume. 😉 czar 03:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
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Five Seconds of Silence
Hello czar! Please move Draft:Untitled Robert Zemeckis project → Five Seconds of Silence — It is being filmed with a title now. I've not updated the draft yet, I'll do it after the move. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 13:00, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Why does this user consistently get away with this? I created this article not him/her. I don't appreciate my version practically being erased. This user's obsession with having their name as the one that created every single new film article is a farce and an embarrassment to Wikipedia.--TheMovieBuff (talk) 17:13, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Your" version. The pre-existing draft. WP:OWN. Come on. czar 02:17, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- I am not trying to "own" anything. Just because I used the word "my" doesn't mean I was claiming ownership on this. Like I said I just don't appreciate what I wrote practically being ignored. And yes I know the version I wrote was small but that's not the point.--TheMovieBuff (talk) 04:44, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- Works both ways—should we ignore the draft that was already written? There's no reason you can't restore any text you think was removed unfairly. That said, I don't see much of an argument to restore the two sentences you had added, given that the draft already had that and more. czar 07:37, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- I am not trying to "own" anything. Just because I used the word "my" doesn't mean I was claiming ownership on this. Like I said I just don't appreciate what I wrote practically being ignored. And yes I know the version I wrote was small but that's not the point.--TheMovieBuff (talk) 04:44, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Chipspeech
You redirect Chipspeech without even a discussion, I've reverted it and put on the talk page a template for "musical instruments".
For the last time; video gaming reference do not signal every dam legit source. When the article is not a video game software, it falls under differen guidelines and a different area. This one falls under "music" categories just as Vocaloid. While I have walked away from the Vocaloid project, I will fight an argument only once against you; I am not a fan of wikipedia politics. All I demand is that you hold a legit discussion before you walk in a reidrect a page.
You're not even given the editors on wikipedia a chance to react. Regardless, now its listed under the musical instruments project, its their job to defend it not mine. I said before, I know how these discussions on wikipedia work, and I'm not a fool to try and fight to the bitter end for this reason, I will only ask for a fair trial on the page and nothing more. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 18:05, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- There is no "trial" though there apparently is a lot of vitriol. My redirect of the article didn't say anything about video games, so I don't know what you're referencing. The article needs to rely on more than primary sources—namely significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?). czar 20:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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- It's fine to undo a redirect, but it's also fine to redirect when an article is poorly written and uses primary sources almost exclusively. You don't need to condescend to me about the benefits of discussion—I know them well—but I also know that this encyclopedia has a principle of making bold edits that are only brought to discussion when they are challenged or potentially controversial. The only "assuming of good faith" being done here is your presumption that redirects are inherently malicious, which goes against that principle on its face. I wouldn't have any issue with your articles if you just took the time to adequately source them (to reliable, secondary sources and not Twitter posts). You can expect to see many of these articles at AfD if they aren't cleaned up. The burden burden is on the editor adding the content to source it properly, not on me or anyone else. czar 21:56, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- As I have tried to highlight my concerns with your redirects, but I will also not hold out for said editor to come along, but I don't see you trying to help find the missing sources... I was told in 2004, that delete/redirect is a last resort, not a first and pardon me, in my expereince of wikipedia and wikias, that has been my principle for any dealings with other editors... And that the best way was to see if one could help first with anything by mucking in and trying to find missing secondary sources for these pages, aI'd not even have a issue with you at all in fact. In short... You may feel you are helping, but really your not. I'm sure in your eyes I'm not helpful and you feel your are helping saying that, as I know there are some here who dedicate their time on doing the tasks don't want to see done. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Nomination of List of people named in the Panama Papers for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of people named in the Panama Papers is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people named in the Panama Papers until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you
For your research and work here. One of the most important issues brought to light in many years, IMO. — Ched : ? 23:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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The Mummy (2017 film)
Hello czar! Thanks for backing me up there, I don't really know whether I'm doing the right or wrong thing creating every film article on Wikipedia. Will you please move Draft:The Mummy (2017 film) → The Mummy (2017 film) ? — Thanks again. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, suppose it depends whom you ask. I say that prepared drafts invariably help the encyclopedia, but arguably less so if they make contributing into a game of win or lose. ✓ done czar 03:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- You're right. You can't imagine the trouble I've been in before someone told me about draftspace to create film articles during development phase. Actually I'm obsessed with films and creating film articles, and I want to write almost every detail about a film from its announcement. So, I think userspace or draftspace is a better way to do that, and you know how much I worked on them, even on stubs. By the way, thanks for helping me always. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 08:08, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Alien: Covenant
Hello czar! Please move Draft:Alien: Covenant → Alien: Covenant — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 03:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Downsizing (2017 film)
Hello again! Please move Draft:Downsizing (2017 film) → Downsizing (2017 film) — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 02:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- ✓ done czar 05:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)