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July 2014
Thank you for reviewing my article
Thank you for reviewing my article Narrows Center for the Arts (draft). I'm a fairly new Wikipedian, so I'm going to let the draft sit for a while and help with the cleanup of other articles for now to learn more about acceptable articles before trying again. Am I right that my article will not be deleted but will remain in my subpages as a draft? Thanks again!skatoulaki (talk) 18:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
- @Skatoulaki: Hi. I asked the question in the forum and got the following responses which I thought I'd pass along: "The page has already been moved to the draft: space to Draft:Narrows Center for the Arts. It will sit around for about 6 months and then be considered for G13 speedy deletion. I have removed some promotional text, but it is not that much like an essay, so is close to ready for article life." and "In any case, the author has six months and will be warned prior to deletion. The draft can be userfied to keep it in a user sandbox longer than that. I agree with Graeme Bartlett that it can likely be accepted well before that." Thought you might be encouraged by their feedback. Onel5969 (talk) 04:56, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, thank you so much! I definitely am encouraged! I'll keep working on it and will consider resubmitting it in a few weeks. Thanks again! skatoulaki (talk) 13:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Draft:Celtro Communication Haimbs
Hello Onel5969 Recently i submitted an article that was rejected by you. Nearly after I entered a question which got no reply from you, please see "19:50:18, 23 June 2014 review of submission by Haimbs", would you be kind to address my query Thanks Haimbs (talk) 06:40, 1 July 2014 (UTC) Haimbs (talk) 06:40, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Haimbs: Hi. First, I didn't answer your question because it wasn't addressed to me. In addition, I'm not one of the editors which peruses the help page for the AfD project. In the future, when you wish to ask someone a question, do exactly what you did today, and ask on their talk page. Another way, is to "ping" them, like I did you at the beginning of this response, that way, no matter where you place your query, they are alerted that they've been mentioned. You can click on the edit tab for this message to see the template for pinging... it's quite simple.
- Now onto your question. Your article reads like an ad for the company, focusing on selling the product, rather than informing the reader in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. I know that there are other articles out there which read like advertisements, but they should be corrected, not have another one added to them. The guidelines regarding this can be found at WP:NOTADVERTISING. The issue with your article is with the second section. The first section only has a single issue (re: the $40M raise - which again sounds promotional - but if that were the only instance in the article, that wouldn't be an issue). The second section, however, is purely promotional, using words like "unique" and "innovative". I've edited the section to show you an example of the difference. Feel free to edit that work, as it was an example of how not to sound like an advertisement. Good luck. Onel5969 (talk) 14:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Onel5969:
Hello One15969 thank you for your patience guide. I am new around but i am learning.
As for my draft, I agree with you on both points; that the second section includes some promotion words and that we shouldn't make things worse then what they are. about the raising money ~$40 million, I took it from the attached web sites, but it is not so important. To summarize, if i'll re-submit the current version exactly as is will it be accepted? If so will you help me to add the company logo at the top of the page?
Thanks very much Haimbs (talk) 12:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
06:36:08, 3 July 2014 review of submission by ProfessorKouk
- ProfessorKouk (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Goldentusk ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I'm a little confused as to why this article was rejected. It was said that YouTube links shouldn't be used, but this is an article about an established YouTube personality. How is someone supposed to reference their work without sourcing a link to YouTube? Also, the blogs that are cited are established entertainment critics who comment on the medium in which the subject operates. G4, The Guardian, Tubefilter, and Slant Magazine are all reputable sites who have reviewed the work of the subject, which is why they were cited.
As for sources "too close" to the subject, how else is someone supposed to write a description of the content without citing the content itself? It is a primary source -- the most valuable in scholarly writing. What better source for how much money the crowdfunding campaign raised for the series than the IndieGoGo site for the series itself? How better to know how many episodes of the series have aired than a link to the series' IMDb page? Why not link to the series own description page when providing a synopsis of what happens in the show?
I realized when reviewing the draft that some of the citations were for the wrong article, they should've been linking to an interview and writeup about the subject and instead were linking to a different page. Please give this article another look over with these details in mind.
ProfessorKouk (talk) 06:36, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
- @ProfessorKouk: Hi. Somehow when I declined the article, the overall reason for that declining was not given, simply my comments supporting that reason were given. Your article was declined because it does not meet the notability standards for Wikipedia regarding living persons as per WP:BIO.
- In answering your specific questions, here goes. First, any reference source which does not have editorial oversight (youtube, imdb, linkedin, twitter, facebook, etc.), is not a reliable source, and cannot be used as a reference source, as per WP:RS. Youtube, especially must be used very carefully, as per WP:YOUTUBE, due to possible copyright violations. I understand your frustration when your subject is connected to one of those mediums, but that doesn't change the underlying reasons for not allowing them. Sources also must be independent of the subject. Interviews can be used to verify some of the facts in the article, but should be used very infrequently, as they are both non-independent, and not reliable. For example, there was an article I edited about a very well known musical personality. There was conflict about her date of birth. The citation used was an interview she had given to a newspaper. But she lied about her age. But it's not even about lying. When people are being interviewed, sometimes they simply misspeak, or misremember, or simply get a fact wrong. Primary sources should be used sparingly as per WP:PRIMARY.
- Second, there's a difference between a valid citation (like your example of the indiegogo citation to support the funds raised), and a citation which proves notability, like a newspaper article from about the subject. A citation which makes a brief reference to the subject, can be used to verify the fact stated, but does not indicate notability (like the G4 citation). Primary sources, for example, should only be used to cite facts, and never go to proving notability. The standard for when blogs can be used may be found HERE. The blogs used are not newsblogs, they are self-published sources, and therefore per the guideline, "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer."
- Third, some of the citations don't support the underlying facts, e.g. the link to Keith Uhlich nowhere mentions the quote cited in your article (while it does mention the phrase, nowhere does it say that he is calling the article's subject that). And this is followed in the same sentence by an opinion offered as fact, regarding comparing him to Yankovic.
- I did look over the article again, and the same issues hold, although I will say the tubefilter article is another good citation. But the only two good citations you have are from very fringe sources. Onel5969 (talk) 14:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Haripad
Thanks for leaving comment on revert. Can you please help me to understand which sites will come under 'reliable' category? The site which I referred is reputed one which is coming under belur math site which is considered most reliable. --Kuzhali.india (talk) 20:18, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Kuzhali.india: Hi. The site you used as a reference is really what we would term, a blog. It's run by two people, who self-publish, with no editorial oversight, see WP:QUESTIONABLE. For a source to be used, it should be both independent and reliable. WP:RS (of which the other link I gave you is a part of) gives a good overview on how to judge whether or not a source is reliable. Hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the information--Kuzhali.india (talk) 15:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi
Could you please add the GOCE tag to the Jade Ewen talk page. Thanks :)--BabbaQ (talk) 12:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Khanate of Kokand
I see you deleted it...
But this is not incorrect as you claimed...
There is one male member of the former Khante of Kokand
Khan Timur Can born 1978.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Khan-of-Kokand/1528862514001851
Thank you for your comments re: Serenade (Book)
Hi there I would like to thank you for your comments and compliments on the work for the article in creation "Serenade (Book)". I will work on the notability issues you have pointed out and revise, resubmit and see if I can do better. Thanks again! Mari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maribianca101 (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Maribianca101: No problem. Keep up the good work, good luck with the article. Onel5969 (talk) 12:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Draft:Abraham Neyman
Hello,
You have recently declined the submission of the article about Abraham Neyman. Neyman answers many of the criteria in the guidelines for academics, for example: 1) he has made significant advances to his field, and in recogntion for them the "International Journal of Game Theory" decided to dedicate a special issue in his honor (reference given in the draft). A summary of his academic achivements also appears in the article. 3) Neyman has been elected to the Econometric Society which is a highly selective and prestigious scholaraly society. 6) He is a full proffesor in the departement of mathematics in the Hebrew Univeristy of Jerusalem, Israel (HUJI). Note that HUJI appears in the list of 100 best universities in the world, and the departement of mathematics there is considered one of the leading centers of game theory worldwide, especially since one of its memebers, Robert Aumann won the Nobel prize in economics for his work on game theory.
This article was written by friends of mine who are mathematicians, experts in game theory, but not very familiar with Wikipedia. Considering that I think they did a good job writting the article which they supported by many references. These are exactly the kind of people we would like to attract to wikipedia.
I would therefore like to urge you to reconsinder acceptance of this article. Yours gratefully, ??????? (talk) 06:27, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- @???????: Hi. He may very well be notable, but as I said in my comments, the citations included in the article do not demonstrate that notability. There's not a single citation from an independent, reliable source, and especially in a bio article, the burden is high. You can look at WP:RS to get an idea of what WP considers to reliable and independent. Being a full professor isn't notable, he would have had to be the dean. Using your logic regarding his faculty position would mean that every professor at Yale, Harvard, UCLA, Stanford, etc. would qualify as notable. A list of his academic achievements does not make him notable, as it must be "demonstrated by independent reliable sources". The Econometric Society does not qualify; there are quite a few societies which are specific to certain fields, that does not make of the same stature of the handful which are recognized as being the top tier (like the Royal Society). Onel5969 (talk) 12:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I am one of the contributors to the article. It clearly states that Abraham Neyman is a fellow of the Econometric Society since 1989 (Which is one of the highest honors an economist can get in his/her lifetime; even in places like Harvard, only a handful of tenured full professors obtain this), President of the Israeli Chapter of the Game Theory Society, and that the International Journal of Game Theory - a well known peer reviewed journal which is central in that field - had announced a special issue in his Honor "in recognition of his important contributions to game theory". I think this is more than enough, as only a handful of academics get these honors. If you need more, I can add that he gave the von-Neumann lecture in the Game Theory Society conference (held only once in 4 years!) at Chicago in 2008: https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/meds/games2008/schedule.html And actually gave it twice (as in 2012, J.F Mertens, who was supposed to give it, passed away, and Neyman was immediately elected to take his place). He was also, as his CV suggest (I know you don't care, but still, the CV of such an eminent scientist should count for something...), the area editor of game theory in Mathematics of Operations Research (perhaps the most important platform for mathematical game theory, and especially for stochastic games) and also an associate editor in Games and Economic Behavior (which is regarded as a top journal in Economic Theory, I can supply evidence if it is needed). If these journal affiliations need any further evidence (which does not appear online, unfortunately), I will be more than happy to contact the relevant editors in those journals (all of which were either students of Neyman, or were strongly influenced by him...) and they will supply it. It will be quite amazing if we should go to such length after mentioning that he is a fellow of the Econometric Society and president of the Israeli Chapter of the Game Theory society (especially given the influence of Israeli game theorists on the field. Here are a few examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Aumann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Schmeidler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergiu_Hart), but I am quite willing to supply this further evidence if it is still required. OEdhan (talk) 09:44, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
As to the Econometric Society, you can have a look at:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2171743
" The Econometric Society is the most prestigious learned society in the field of economics, with a world-wide membership". OEdhan (talk) 10:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Red Triangle Productions
Just a quick heads up – the article above which you rejected at Articles for Creation not only still has its own page, but has been added to in the last 24 hours, including alterations by user Georgetizzard, which just happens to be the name of one of the producers at the very same company. Looks like blatant self-promotion and a clear violation of WP:COI to me – you might want to keep an eye on it and step in if things don't improve. Richard3120 (talk) 12:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Richard3120: Thanks. Will do. Onel5969 (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Confused about rejection
I'm confused about why my piece about Say When is rejected. They were one of my favorite bands in the late 2000s and I saw them play with so many other of my favorite bands at some really huge festivals and tours. Not to mention I must of seen them on TV 3 or 4 times and they were spun on the radio station in my city. I thought I had all the correct documentation and the only thing I can think of is the fact that they remained unsigned during their entire career even though that's not technically true since they had their own label Say When Music…. I think (not positive about the name of their own label).
Please advise as to what else I should add.
Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elimanchester (talk • contribs) 03:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Elimanchester:. Hi! First, please always sign your messages, so folks can figure out who to respond to.
- Second, here's an in-depth review of the issues of your proposed article. Citations 1, 3, 5, are from obscure sources, so they don't really demonstrate notability. If they were from Rolling Stone, Village Voice, etc., it would be a different story. Citations 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 are simple mentions of the subject, so they work to cite the underlying fact they are used for, but not for notability. Citations 10 and 11 have nothing to do with the notability of the subject. WP:NMUSIC shows the 12 criteria for musical groups. WP:RS explains the rationale behind citations being independent and reliable. I hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 04:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Onel5969:. Sorry about that. So should I try and find full interviews with the band online? Because 6 looks like it was an interview but only part of it is now available online… its from Boston Harold which is a pretty big company (News in Massachusetts). Although its from 6 years ago so many they took it down. I'm just confused because the other band I really liked in Boston was called Averi (really cool bluesy pop) and they did less touring and didn't play nearly as many festivals and big tours as this band. I'll try to find some full interviews I just figured the fact that they played on big tours/festivals like Bamboozle and Warped Tour and it was mentioned and advertised by big magazines in that scene like AbsolutePunk and Alternative News (AP) Magazine was enough….
Thanks for all the advice and help and I'll do some more research to see if I can dig up some more press on them.
~ EliManchester
- @Elimanchester: Hi. Another thing, when you comment on someone's talk page, they are automatically notified, so there is no reason to "ping" them. I ping you on my talk page to let you know I've answered, but if I was commenting on your talk page, I wouldn't.
- Interviews are fine, but are not the best sources, since they can be unreliable. A perfect case in point regarding that is there is a famous musician who always says her birth date is about 8 years younger than her real one. You can find literally dozens of interviews which would back up the younger date, but they are incorrect. The link I gave you above, WP:RS really explains what Wikipedia is looking for. Articles about the group (not interviews), in major publications are always the best sources. Advertisements, press releases, etc. are not reliable sources. Anyway... good luck in your editing. Onel5969 (talk) 05:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Sorry to bother with questions again. So I found a few reliable sources for Say When that I will be adding. In the meantime I went to add some things to another Boston band I used to obsess over and noticed their wiki page doesn't have any references so I'm confused why their page was approved? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averi If I add something to their page do I still need to add a reference or not even bother since they don't seem to have any other references? Thanks for your help. I'm trying to get a better grasp of using wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elimanchester (talk • contribs) 14:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Draft:Geist (Company)
I converted the bare html references in the Draft:Geist (Company) article, did some copy editing, and added an infobox. I was not able to verify either of the awards mentioned near the bottom of the article, and left tags for citations there. Since those awards are evidence of notability, Njmott will need to supply those references. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 02:09, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Grand'mere Eugene: Nicely done. I'm going to delete that section and approve the article, since Njmott hasn't responded. They can always add it back in later, with citations. Onel5969 (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Khanate of Kokand
Why you always deleted it?
I give you the Facebook Page of the last male member of the kokand royal family.
But you always deleted it.
Articles for creation don't need inline citations
Hi One. I am happy to see you reviewing articles. I noticed that you declined this article, Draft:John Riddy, on July 16 with this comment: "Please see Fiddle Faddle's comment in particular below. Each fact needs to be cited. Also, the citations need to be formatted, examples can be found at WP:CIT."
Inline references are required only for direct quotes and, for living people, in a only few other special cases. Everything does not need a reference. And only the notability references need to be independent of the person. As Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions says:
1. Avoid declining an article because it correctly uses general references to support some or all of the material. The content and sourcing policies require inline citations for only four specific types of material, most commonly direct quotations and contentious material (whether negative, positive, or neutral) about living persons.
Except for direct quotes, in most cases new editors don't need to learn anything about putting in inline citations before their article is accepted. Of course those citations will be needed to improve the quality of the article. I've already mentioned this to TimTrent (Fiddle Faddle). Happy reviewing. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- {ping|StarryGrandma}} Thanks for that heads-up, did not realize it, missed it when I read the guidelines. In that case, I guess I'll remove myself from the AfC project then, as I think that is a completely silly guideline, and really undermines any attempts to make Wikipedia into a valid source tool. Thanks again for the heads up. Take care. Onel5969 (talk) 17:52, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- It's not a source tool, it's an encyclopedia! Try WP:GAN or WP:FAC. Happy editing! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- Don't stop reviewing. Citations are a quality issue, not an accepting an article issue. I learned the difference when trying to write a list of minimum things for acceptance, and was promptly told that inline citations wasn't one of them. I haven't had much luck teaching users how to do tricky things like refs. But many of the articles they start are really useful. So I do a lot of article fixing myself. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Hana Financial
Hi,
There are a couple of tags on the Hana Financial article. Are they still supposed to be there? Is it ok if I remove them?Cecibell (talk) 14:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Cecibell: You know, I don't know. An administrator is supposed to take care of that, but I'll simply remove them. Onel5969 (talk) 14:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Blakumen
Thank you for your bold copyedit, I highly appreciate it. In the meantime, I have made 3 small changes. I hope they are acceptable for you. I will soon make a GAN. Have a nice day! Borsoka (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Borsoka: No problem, thanks for the kind words. I am going to change one of your edits. The word biography is more specific, and should be used to introduce that concept, particularly since the link provided (to hagiography), defines it as a biography. Your second edit to "work" is fine, as are your other edits. Onel5969 (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
16:39:52, 23 July 2014 review of submission by Harry Manhattan
Hi. I've been trying to submit an article for a few weeks now, but some of my sources keep getting rejected. Could you please tell me which ones aren't being accepted, so I can work on them?
Harry Manhattan (talk) 16:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC) Harry Manhattan
- Harry Manhattan (talk · contribs)
- User:Harry Manhattan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Harry Manhattan (talk) 16:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Harry Manhattan: Hi. This is part of the comment I left the last time I reviewed it: "#1 is not independent. 2, 3, and 5 are either lists or brief mentions of the artist. 6 is a wikilink, which isn't a valid reference. 4 & 7 are good sources, but they are from obscure sources, so by themselves do not denote notability." You've added two sources since then, the baller interview is a good one, but again from an obscure source, while the other again doesn't really promote notability, just backs up his relation to notable performers. I think this article is on the cusp of being approved, but I've taken myself off the list of editors who do that, so you might want to simply resubmit. Isn't there an article about this guy in Rolling Stone, or some other higher profile music mag? That would help enormously. Good luck, hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Draft of Senta Yamada Article Review
Hi Onel,
In your review you state the following:
"Many of the references (e.g. 1, 2, 8, 9) only make a brief mention of the article's subject. Others are simply links to a site selling a book, without any reference at all (e.g. 5, 7). Onel5969 (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2014 (UTC)"
I would like to note the following:
- Reference 1. is an Aikido Journal Encyclopedia Entry description for Senta Yamada. Therefore it is based mainly on Senta Yamada ( the article subject) and it describes in a very succinct manner the notability of Senta Yamada. Just having an Encyclopedia entry in the Aikido Journal is enough proof of a persons notability, Aikido Journal is the most widely used external resource as reference in Aikido Wikipedia articles.
- Reference 2. I agree with you it briefly mentions Senta Yamada ( two counts ) but it is an external resource describing how Senta Yamada came to the UK to teach Judo and Aikido.
- Reference 8. The article is the obituary of the passing of Senta Yamada. It describes on what conditions he died and also some of his life achievements. For this reason it is referenced at the end of my draft article. How does this one briefly mention the subject ? It is the obituary of the subject.
- Reference 9. Is another post in the Aiki Web (an independent and notable web group on Aikido matters ) informing on the death of Senta Yamada. For this reason it is used at the end of the Draft Article.
- Reference 5 and 7 link to the amazon site where they sell the books described in the article: "During his time in England Senta Yamada authored The Ancient Secrets of Aikido (published in 1961)[5] which is considered the first aikido book published in the UK [6]. Senta Yamada later also co-wrote The principles and practice of Aikido with Alex Macintosh (published in 1966) [7]." If you enter the pages referenced you can see a copy of the book and it is authored by Senta Yamada and its sell value.
I think that the notability of the subject is proved taken into account: 1. He is a high ranking person in the Aikido and Judo 2. Was a direct disciple of Morihei Ueshiba and Jigoro Kano founders of Judo and Aikido 3. Was one of the first pioneers of Tomiki Aikido in the United Kingdom as said by Dr Lee Ah Loi ( who has a Wikipedia article entry also) 4. Has authored several books some of which considered the first printable Aikido Material in the United Kingdom.
Let me know what you think of my comments. I understand that some articles might seem brief but they are used in the correct place ...
Thanks for your time.
2001:720:101C:504:CC94:5CA7:6364:9D37 (talk) 11:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
You forgot to sign a comment
This one. Thought you might want to go back and fix it. Or maybe not, just thought I should bring it to your attention. Sock (previously Corvoe) (be heard) 23:05, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Help with what you mean by "reliable sources"?
Hi, I am really trying to understand that you are looking for for sources and citation. My submission is on a topic happened in the early '80's and there are just not that many references to it in public sources. That is what happens when what we were doing with videotex preceded the web by a decade.
Please help me with what you are looking for as "reliable sources" in the case of Boston CitiNet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mjkboston/sandbox. I would like to get this released from the drafts bin.
Thanks, Myron Mjkboston (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
A Barnstar for You!
The AFC Backlog Buster Barnstar
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Congratulations, Onel5969! You're receiving the The Tireless Contributor Barnstar because you reviewed 171 articles during the recent AFC Backlog elimination drive in June 2014! Thank you for you contributions to Wikipedia at-large and helping to keep the backlog down. We hope you continue reviewing submissions and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! (t) Josve05a (c) 23:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC) |
August 2014
Fresno
You obviously are not from California, so don't go and change California edits that you know nothing about, in the major cities of my state of California the articles should say for example Fresno is a city in the us state of California. Fresno is in Northern California. Central California is not a common word used in the state and is a sub region of Northern California so please stop changing my edits. This is becoming ridiculous I don't care how much of a Wikipedia veteran you are you don't know everything and you obviously don't know about the geography of my state. I always have to deal with people changing my edits and then informing them and then they change them back and I'm tired of new users getting all excited and changing pages that are perfectly fine. (Ladygaga328 (talk) 04:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC))
- @Ladygaga328: Hi. You don't have to be from California to be able to read a map. To say that Fresno is in Northern California is absurd. Again, look at a map. If you don't want to classify it as central California, it is in the southern half of the state, so technically you could say it was southern California. But to say Northern California is simply inaccurate. If you make edits which are correct, I won't bother them. But when you make changes which are in error, they will be corrected. Again, try looking at a map, it might help your understanding of your state's geography. Just so you're aware, CA runs from 42 longitude at its border with OR, to approximately 35 longitude at its border with Mexico. Fresno lies at 36 degrees 45 seconds longitude, so let's just overestimate and say its at 37 degrees longitude. So is 37 closer to 35 or 42? I'll give you a hint. It's closer to the southern border. And, in the future, learn to be civil. Onel5969 (talk) 04:38, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) To add to this, why are you calling Onel a "new editor"? He's a respected editor who has been here for several months and has contributed tirelessly (even has a Barnstar to say so), where it appears your first edit was just under a month ago. Also, the map argument doesn't have any holes in it at all, and I would strongly suggest reading WP:CIVIL. Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard)(my stuff) 12:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Sock and Corvoe: Concur. Ladygaga328/Ladygaga328 talk is totally out of order. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 06:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) To add to this, why are you calling Onel a "new editor"? He's a respected editor who has been here for several months and has contributed tirelessly (even has a Barnstar to say so), where it appears your first edit was just under a month ago. Also, the map argument doesn't have any holes in it at all, and I would strongly suggest reading WP:CIVIL. Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard)(my stuff) 12:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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music?
Hi there,
I'm trying to create the following article on UK artist Son Of Jack - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Son_Of_Jack
The comment left after you denied simply says 'music' - are you able to expand on this and let me know what I need to include in order to have the article published?
Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smtillot (talk • contribs) 16:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Smtillot: Hi. That was a while ago, and I signed it with a template, which looks like someone has gone in and changed. Looking at the article, it appears that the singer doesn't meet the guidelines for notability set down in NMUSIC. Doesn't mean he's not notable, just that the article, with the references cited, doesn't show that notability. Being of Welsh heritage myself, would love to see this article published. His group, Grace, would qualify, since it was signed by EMI, but not himself. Take a look at the 12 guidelines, and see if you can figure out which one(s) he would fit, then find articles which can be used as citations. Hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
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Prescott, Arizona
Can you find a source for her connection to Prescott? Without one, all we have is a claim of connection to the city. At least in the other names on the list, there are articles full of refs - but on this one, there's currently nothing. I'm not asking for material to create an article, just a single ref connecting her to the city would meet WP:V in this case. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I think I found a ref that links her to being form Prescott. Although one minor clarification - it lists her as representing the "Miss Yavapai" title during the Miss Arizona competition, not as "Miss Prescott". --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Heat
Dear Onel5969:
Thank you for your message. I will still remain concerned about the use of "affair" in this context, as Pacino's wife's character definitely was not having one! Perhaps "dalliance" is inaccurate, too. An affair, in my opinion, is entered into with the thought of investing one's heart and soul into the relationship (separate and apart from the moral implications). Pacino's wife's character wished to do no such thing, as she made it clear in their dialogue why she had become involved with "Ralph" ("to put closure" to her relationship with Pacino's wife's character).
Take care.
Karen — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarenBelton (talk • contribs) 21:13, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Passport map
I noticed that you have thanked me for adding the passport cover color map to the Passport article. Thanks for thanking me :) But we have a problem, there is a user adamant to remove it from that article and the List of passports as well. Looking just at his most recent edit history, he is a "remover", removing content left and right on Wikipedia. Anyhow his rationale here is that it is "unsourced" while the gallery in the very List of passports is the source for 90% of the information with a few missing ones filled from elsewhere. His rationale is patent nonsense and so typical for users whose only purpose on Wikipedia is to find things they can remove, with none of very little own contribution. (A sidenote: Just today I have seen some images of French passport covers removed from Commons even though everyone voted to keep them as the admin thought they were a copyright violation because they contain the French coat of arms (?). At the same time he decided to leave all the files of the passport internal pages because those did not meet the originality threshold - altogether with complex security patterns and actual design (!)). Needless to say this kind of destructive editing requires full attention of the community. I have spent significant time on building that map so I would be grateful if you could also pay attention to his antics as there is a "3-revert-rule" that some admins care more about than what the dispute is all about and for that reason I can't fight him alone. Regards, --Twofortnights (talk) 23:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Consider it done. Will help you in this... thought the map was brilliant work. I do my fair share of reverting uncited work, and clearly this map does not fall into this category. Onel5969 (talk) 23:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- What might help, is if on the commons file you could put the sources, that might alleviate some of his concerns, since WP is not supposed to be original research. If you could do that, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Onel5969 (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you again. I have tried to be as precise as possible using the eyedropper tool. Now the problem with listing the sources is that I am not sure what is it that would satisfy someone who thinks the map is unsourced. Governments won't share the exact Pantone codes for security reasons (so one can always be cynical and claim how there is no source), so the best we can do is find sources that say for an example "the EU passports share the common burgundy cover" or something like that? I didn't go into the exact color and slight factory variations which might exist even within the same country (and not just with the color, for an example this is the official cover of the Italian passport - File:Passaportoitaliano2006.jpg however many Italians were issued with passports with the star on the coat of arms without fill - [1] which is a version nowhere to be found officially - [2], so who knows, a person travelling with it might experience problems because they have an "unsourced" passport :)) but kept it down to one shade of the colors used worldwide and those are burgundy, maroon, crimson / navy, light blue, independence blue / black / green, teal, moss and turquoise. Interestingly no country issues yellow passports :) (although there is no data to be found on Wikipedia or elsewhere on the internet about the Solomon Islands and Samoa passports so in theory they might be). Regards, --Twofortnights (talk) 00:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- What might help, is if on the commons file you could put the sources, that might alleviate some of his concerns, since WP is not supposed to be original research. If you could do that, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Onel5969 (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah he removed it again (based on someone else removed it, while that someone else did it for the missing Hong Kong and Macau) and started a talk page discussion where he claims it is "unimportant". Please take a look at Talk:List_of_passports#Map_of_passport_colors. This is so annoying.--Twofortnights (talk) 10:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
GOCE July drive and August blitz
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Hi. I am having trouble resolving the ref edits on my page about Prime--i can't get the numbering to resolve correctly. I hope additionally I have fixed it sso it reads less like an essay. Any help gratefully appreciated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress-of-angels (talk • contribs) 16:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I Remember Mama (play)
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An ale for you!
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- @W.carter: Thanks for that. Encouragement is always welcome! Finally finished it. Onel5969 (talk) 15:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you sooo much! :) Your c/e was superbly done, a thorough c/e, including pruning, yet with such a delicate touch and good understanding of the text. It will be a pleasure to present such an article as GAN, and I will certainly tell the Guild so. All the best, w.carter-Talk 15:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
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September 2014
reversion of Passport page
why do you reversed my change? text from all the other passports except US passport are un-cited. I just read and wrote form my passport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emturan (talk • contribs) 23:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Emturan: ... the article has already been flagged for lack of citations, no further information should be added without citation. Onel5969 (talk) 00:42, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
LGBT SF
I understand the argument for undue weight, but you could have at least piped the article i had as the main one.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Mercurywoodrose: You are absolutely correct. I could have, and should have, done that. My apologies. I was in a rush.Onel5969 (talk) 20:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- No problem. i have done that kind of action many times. glad to see you would have if you werent in a rush. now, if i can just start using edit summaries....Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Attribution
Hi! As you know, I Remember Mama (play) was flagged by CorenBot as a copyvio, which obviously is a false positive. However, I don't see that you have provided attribution for the content split out from I Remember Mama. Could I ask you to do that? {{Copied}} or {{Split from}}/{{Split to}} are good for the purpose. That would mean I could mark it as fixed on the list at WP:SCV, one less to worry about. Many thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Justlettersandnumbers: - Hi! It actually wasn't a false positive. When I checked, the material I had cut and paste from the original article, was copied verbatim from the source listed by CorenBot. As a result, I re-wrote the entire section. What is left in the current article now no longer contains anything (other than the subject titles and author attribution), from the material I originally cut and paste. You can see the difference here. In light of that, I'm not sure that there is anything left to provide a attribution to. If there is, just let me know and I'll try to muddle my way through it. Onel5969 (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ha, you had me worried for a moment there. But I'm confident I've read it right: that site copies our content (which it claims to be able to "read"). The bot saw the similarity and tagged your new article. All that's needed is the attribution. If you're not sure how to that, let me know and I'll handle it. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:37, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Justlettersandnumbers: NP. Since I don't know exactly what to do, if you wouldn't mind doing it, I'd appreciate it, that way I can know what to do in the future! Onel5969 (talk) 22:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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I just reviewed a number of your new articles and wanted to thank you for your contributions! Your work looks great, and you've inspired me to watch more 30s movies :D Keep it up! Upjav (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC) |
- @Upjav: Thanks for that. RKO is kind of a pet project for me. I fleshed out the List of RKO films, and now I'm going through and fleshing out each article, starting in 1929. It was the most whacky of the big 5 studios, and almost always gets overlooked. After I create all the articles as stub, I intend on going back to each one and do something along the lines of what I did with Headline Shooter or Professional Sweetheart. Again, thanks for the encouragement, and I hope you enjoy the films, although be warned, especially in the pre 1939 films, the acting can seem a bit stilted to folks who are used to today's acting style.Onel5969 (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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- @TheLongTone: No worries. You'll need to fix the Wednesday's Child DAB page as well, since I added it there. I also don't think that the DAB page has it listed correctly, since it has Wednsday's Child (film designated as the 1999 film. Onel5969 (talk) 14:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm intrigued about why two articles in the same film appeared within seconds of eachother...TheLongTone (talk) 14:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- @TheLongTone: Well, I've been working on RKO films for a few months now, fleshing out the list, then going through that list and expanding stub articles and creating articles where they are needed. Another editor has begun to make stub articles, which is making it more difficult for me to keep track of what needs to be done, so I've started to go through and create the stub articles, so I know which ones need more research, like I did on Headline Shooter and Professional Sweetheart.Onel5969 (talk) 14:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm intrigued about why two articles in the same film appeared within seconds of eachother...TheLongTone (talk) 14:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
A Dog of Flanders (1935 film)
I think you meant to say it was Frankie Thomas's 2nd film, not Ouida's? I'm changing it - please revert if I've got it wrong. PamD 16:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- @PamD: lol. Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Was rushing a bit. Thanks for the correction. Onel5969 (talk) 16:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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- Thanks. I intend to have all the RKO films stubbed out over the next week or so. Then I'll go back over then and add detail to bring them up to start or c class.Onel5969 (talk) 19:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
American films
Hi, can you add new entries to the lists like this?? Dr. Blofeld 21:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Dr. Blofeld: Hi. I added Gigolette... is that what you were speaking about? If so, sure, I can do that.Onel5969 (talk) 22:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Hooray for Love, Hot Tip etc... I added two you created. Thanks for your work! Another great way to tackle films is as full filmographies in director articles and then create navigation template by director, like Template:Terrence Malick etc. I'm trying to make the lists as comprehensive as possible though so I'd much appreciate you adding missing films into the lists so readers can browse and access as full a lists as possible by year!? Dr. Blofeld 22:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'll take of the others that still need to be added, some I created were obviously redlinks before. Thanks for the tip about filmographies. I'm working on a rather large project right now regarding RKO. I fleshed out the list of RKO films, and think it's pretty much complete. Now I'm going through the list and creating any articles that need to be created. Then, I'm going to take them all to at least start or C class (like I did with Headline Shooter or Professional Sweetheart). That should take me a few months. In between, when I find someone who needs an article, like Rita La Roy, I create that. As well, I try to make sure that all the folks in the film articles I create have their filmographies updated. Just trying to help.Onel5969 (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Bonnie Tyler
> As much as I like Mr. Loaf, not sure why this was added.) (undo | thank)
Because she's in the Meat Loaf template. (I'm not bothered either way) Fuddle (talk) 13:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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WP:TWODABS
I presume that by now you have read WP:TWODABS, and understand that a title should redirect to its primary topic if there are only two options. Please go ahead and revert to the original redirect. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Gene Autry category
Please review WP:BRD about appropriate next steps after being reverted, and then review WP:RS. You and I may know that he owned property in Arizona and was stationed there during World War II, but whether that constitutes being "from" Phoenix is questionable. I recommend self-reverting to avoid WP:EDITWARRING, incorporate into the article a statement that he lived in Phoenix with the appropriate WP:RS, and then add the category. Regards, Bede735 (talk) 23:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Bede735: Hi! Sometimes when we write these short edit summaries, it does not convey the actual intent. Not trying to get into an edit war, one of the things I really enjoy about WP is the consensus building. My point is that I look at other articles and they list "notable people" which seem to have no relation to the city. I am currently working on two major projects (RKO films and Phoenix people). I do intend to add the Phoenix connection to Audry's article in the near future, (the underlying source is: http://doney.net/aroundaz/celebrity/autry_gene.htm ). On the city project page, regarding whether or not a person should be considered as associated with the city, there has been no broad consensus. About the only thing agreed upon is that if a person's sole association with a city is that they attended a college/university in that city, they should be listed under the alumnae of that institution, and not under the notable people section. Even though Donald Trump is not included under the list of notable people for Atlantic City, does not mean that he should not be included there. In fact, that he is not is a major oversight. Rather than revert, might I suggest that you might add a simple cn tag?Onel5969 (talk) 01:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Onel5969: You cannot place a CN tag on a category. The article does not mention Phoenix. The article does not mention Arizona! Applying a category to an article needs to be based on reliably sourced article content. The linked article you provided (above) does not support the claim that Autry was "from" Phoenix. It supports the claim that he had business interests in Arizona, some of which were located in Phoenix. Most of his Arizona holdings were not in Phoenix, and he was stationed at Luke AFB in Glendale, which is "west of Phoenix". By comparison, Elvis lived in Bad Nauheim, Germany for a year and a half during his military service, but you will not find him categorized as a musician from Bad Nauheim or even as a musician from Germany. He's categorized as being "from" Mississippi (where he grew up) and Tennessee (his primary residence for most of his life). Elvis also owned homes in Hawaii and California, but he is not categorized as being "from" these places. Regarding Trump, the article references his business interests in Atlantic City—it does not state that he lives there. MOS WP:COP guidance on categorization of people by place seems pretty clear: "People are sometimes categorized by notable residence, in the form People from Foo (not "Natives of Foo"), regardless of ethnicity, heritage, or nationality. Residential categories should not be used to record people who have never resided in that place." Being part owner of newspapers, a radio station, and a television station in Phoenix does not make Autry "from" Phoenix. He also had business interests in Texas, Oklahoma, and elsewhere. I just checked three Autry biographies and his autobiography and found one index reference to Phoenix (G-W, p. 226, about his business interests). Please remove the category, and create a discussion on the article's talk page to seek consensus. Bede735 (talk) 11:54, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Bede735: You're absolutely right about the cn tag. So you're revert action served that purpose. The rest of your argument, while I feel is valid, has been discussed on the city project page, with the result I listed above. What constitutes a person being "from" a city is nebulous. There are folks who would argue that Elvis could be categorized as "from" Bad Nauheim. Autry not only had businesses here, but he also lived here for several years. Regardless, it's no skin off my nose, revert if you want. Have a good day.Onel5969 (talk) 12:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Onel5969: You cannot place a CN tag on a category. The article does not mention Phoenix. The article does not mention Arizona! Applying a category to an article needs to be based on reliably sourced article content. The linked article you provided (above) does not support the claim that Autry was "from" Phoenix. It supports the claim that he had business interests in Arizona, some of which were located in Phoenix. Most of his Arizona holdings were not in Phoenix, and he was stationed at Luke AFB in Glendale, which is "west of Phoenix". By comparison, Elvis lived in Bad Nauheim, Germany for a year and a half during his military service, but you will not find him categorized as a musician from Bad Nauheim or even as a musician from Germany. He's categorized as being "from" Mississippi (where he grew up) and Tennessee (his primary residence for most of his life). Elvis also owned homes in Hawaii and California, but he is not categorized as being "from" these places. Regarding Trump, the article references his business interests in Atlantic City—it does not state that he lives there. MOS WP:COP guidance on categorization of people by place seems pretty clear: "People are sometimes categorized by notable residence, in the form People from Foo (not "Natives of Foo"), regardless of ethnicity, heritage, or nationality. Residential categories should not be used to record people who have never resided in that place." Being part owner of newspapers, a radio station, and a television station in Phoenix does not make Autry "from" Phoenix. He also had business interests in Texas, Oklahoma, and elsewhere. I just checked three Autry biographies and his autobiography and found one index reference to Phoenix (G-W, p. 226, about his business interests). Please remove the category, and create a discussion on the article's talk page to seek consensus. Bede735 (talk) 11:54, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Please see Arizona talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vchapman (talk • contribs) 17:43, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Listing of post offices
Hi! I took a look at this revert. Such a list is only trivial if there are too many post offices. I think a good number of too many is around six or eight. If there are only a few post offices, they should be listed. If there is a large number or if the city is too big then they shouldn't be listed. I don't know what the cutoff would be. Plano as of 2010 has about 260,000 people, and since it has about five post offices I don't think that's too many. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi WhisperToMe! I understand your viewpoint. Personally, I don't think there should be ANY post offices listed. Ever. Unless there is an over-riding uniqueness to that post office (e.g. it was the first post office in the state, or the first post office west of the Mississippi). Post office locations are something you look up in the phone book. But that's only my opinion. If you feel strongly enough, put it on the talk page and get other editors' opinions. But thanks for messaging me directly about it. Onel5969 (talk) 20:57, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Las Vegas Sign
Maybe your point about removing all of the text and the image is the best option. The sign was, as far as I know, never in the city and never owned by the city. It has always been owned by a private party or the county. Add to that the fact that sources use Las Vegas for the broader definition for which the city is the minority of usage and you have the ongoing problem. Las Vegas means more then the city to most everyone, including the mayor!. But that is from private statements so not a reliable source. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Vegaswikian: and @Traveling Man: - I understand your viewpoint, and as I said in my post on your talk page, Vegas, I understand the intent of keeping everything on the page focused on the city. But the picture is a visual reference to something in the article, (that's mostly directed toward Traveling Man, since I already said it to Vegas), and so would be appropriate to the article on those grounds, and those grounds alone. I oversee about 100 city pages, and really only look at them for uncited additions, vandalism, structure, etc. I leave the nitty gritty stuff to folks like the two of you on most pages. For what it's worth, since it is such an iconic piece of the history of the area, I would use it as a catalyst to explain the difference between the actual city, and what most folks think of when they think of Las Vegas. And include the pic, since it is so easily recognizable to millions of people. But I'll leave it up to you folks who have more vested interest in the page than I do. I've said my piece. Thanks for listening. Onel5969 (talk) 22:18, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is often a really messy area. I liked one of @Vegaswikian:'s earlier comments in the article's revision history: "This should actually use the welcome to Downtown Las Vegas sign which is in the city." --Larry (talk) 22:31, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Traveling Man: - You are now going into the root cause of the problem. The city, is not the primary use for Las Vegas. The area is the primary use. If you read the discussions from the moves, they clearly say the city is not unless you include Winchester and Paradise. The correct solution in my opinion would be to move Las Vegas Valley to the primary name space. Doing that would make any use of Vegas or Las Vegas point to the correct article and it would always match the sources which to not differentiate between the city and the area or the metro area or the census bureau metropolitan area. The area is very different from most of the rest of the US due to the size and population of the unincorporated areas. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:08, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- (with apologies to Onel5969 for getting a bit off the original topic) @Vegaswikian:, I agree with you. I've read a couple of the move discussions, and wonder whether that has a chance of going anywhere. If you want to pursue it on the appropriate page (whichever one that is), feel free to ping me. I have a number of the Las Vegas-type pages watched, but am probably missing a few. --Larry (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Vegaswikian: and @Traveling Man: - no apologies necessary... I opened the can of worms. I think you should open the discussion on the Las Vegas page, and post notices on the Vegas Valley, Wikiproject City, and North Las Vegas pages, as well as any others which might be incorporated into the broader definition. I'd support a broader definition being the primary.Onel5969 (talk) 19:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- It is a question of when the right time for a new move request is. My big concern is that those who participate simply want to the city to be the primary topic since it is the city with the same name. It is not likely that I will make a nomination in this are before someone starts a discussion, probably on WP:BLP, about the BLP violations caused by the current situation. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Vegaswikian: and @Traveling Man: - no apologies necessary... I opened the can of worms. I think you should open the discussion on the Las Vegas page, and post notices on the Vegas Valley, Wikiproject City, and North Las Vegas pages, as well as any others which might be incorporated into the broader definition. I'd support a broader definition being the primary.Onel5969 (talk) 19:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Wallace Ford
I saw you added back the image in the Wallace Ford article, there are a couple of issue with the image. I don't agree that it looks like Ford, but more importantly, Ford was not in The movie a Stranger in Town. The image is from that movie. Not Central Park. Let me know your thoughts. I'll remove it once I hear from you. Thanks... reddogsix (talk) 22:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- reddogsix - Hi! Well we can certainly disagree on whether or not it looks like him, since that is a matter of opinion. But your additional fact regarding him not being in the film seems to clinch it. Revert my revert, by all means! Happy editing! Onel5969 (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, having said all of the above, I looked it up and he is in the 1932 film, Central Park (per the AFI database, not the wikilink I just put there). In fact, Central Park is one of the few films from 1932 which actually has an article on TCM, with a small pic, and in that pic (although granted it is difficult to tell clearly), this pic looks like Ford. Here's another link to a bunch of pics of Ford: http://forgottenactors.blogspot.com/2013/02/wallace-ford.html and those pictures (particularly the shot from Central Park and The Mysterious Mr. Wong), look (imho) like the pic on his bio page. Perhaps you could put something on the talk page and let's get other editors' opinions?Onel5969 (talk) 00:33, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
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So sorry. Accept my apologies. It's hard to keep up sometimes. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Magnolia677: No worries... that's why I sent you a message. I learn new stuff all the time. Onel5969 (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)