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Contents
- 1 Arabian or Persian Gulf? A look at history
- 2 Persian Gulf Or Arabian Gulf Vote
- 3 External links modified
- 4 Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2015
- 5 External links modified
- 6 Arabic description for Persian Gulf does not follow other language descriptions!
- 7 External links modified
- 8 Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2016
- 9 Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Persian Gulf and Arabian Gulf
- 10 Add Dubai to list of Cities on Gulf coast
Arabian or Persian Gulf? A look at history
What did the Arabs do when Cyrus The great conquered the Huge Babylonian, Medean and Lydian empire and created the Persian empire? What did the Arabs do when the Parthians created an empire which even managed to compete with the romans? What did the Arabs do when the Sassanid Persians conquered the middle east?
- www.PersiansAreNotArabs.com/persian-gulf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.127.108.52 (talk) 05:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
They lived as nomads, untill Mohammed came and gathered them together.
Historically the region has almost always been in controll of Persians.
--Arsaces (talk) 11:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Historically the region has always been in control of the Arabs. The persians only had control for a total of maybe 600 years. The Arabs however, to answer your question above, did the following - destroyed your ancient empires (Iran is not a continuation of those empires) - changed your religion - made you follow their religion - made you more civilized and less barbaric... as persia was a bloodthirsty ambitious expansionist empire....
The name should always be Arabian Gulf as this is the name that was used by all people who ruled the Arabian Gulf (except the Persians and the West, who are both at war with the Arabs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.210.238.186 (talk) 07:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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- I don't know how attacking a country and killing its people makes Persians barbaric...--Irrational number (talk) 08:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- That's all irrelevant. This is English Wikipedia, and the name most commonly used in English is Persian Gulf. That may seem illogical to you, but rightly or wrongly, that's what we call it. See WP:COMMONNAME Bazonka (talk) 08:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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- The Arabs did not "destroy ancient empires", the Romans and Persians were worn out (from fighting with each other for hundreds of years) by the time the Arabs arrived on the scene. Persian culture to a certain extent developed and changed the way Islam was practiced and conceived. First translation of your Qur'an was by Salman e Farsi and the first complete translation of the Qur'an was in Persian. The first developers of Arabic grammar were Persian as well (see Ibn Khaldrun's work). Also ask yourself who are the greatest Muslim scholars, poets, scientists and writers? They were 90% Persian (look up list of Persian scientists and scholars on wiki and compare that with your own -- by the way, ALL "Arab" scientists and scholars were not from present day Saudi Arabia). Instead of making wild claims and making yourself sound like an idiot in front of these educated and hard working editors, actually pick up a book on Islamic civilization and culture for you might learn something valuable about "your" religion and to your dismay, the influence of Persian architecture, arts, literature, etc on Islam as it is known today -- after years of being developed by different cultures and civilizations such as the Turks and Mongols after they assimilated. Arabs made Iranians more civilized and less barbaric? That has to be the funniest joke I have ever heard, I'm flabbergasted by your level of intelligence. Tell your monarchies to keep selling your oil and buying American made weapons, recycling is good for the environment. And by the way, what did your pious and God fearing people ever do for the Palestinians? Oh right, they got their ass handed to them by the Israelis who were outnumbered six to one. If it weren't for the West and the Persians, I'm sure the Arab world would be flourishing and spreading its wings for all the world to see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 (talk) 07:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- This talk page is not a forum. Bazonka (talk) 08:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- The Arabs did not "destroy ancient empires", the Romans and Persians were worn out (from fighting with each other for hundreds of years) by the time the Arabs arrived on the scene. Persian culture to a certain extent developed and changed the way Islam was practiced and conceived. First translation of your Qur'an was by Salman e Farsi and the first complete translation of the Qur'an was in Persian. The first developers of Arabic grammar were Persian as well (see Ibn Khaldrun's work). Also ask yourself who are the greatest Muslim scholars, poets, scientists and writers? They were 90% Persian (look up list of Persian scientists and scholars on wiki and compare that with your own -- by the way, ALL "Arab" scientists and scholars were not from present day Saudi Arabia). Instead of making wild claims and making yourself sound like an idiot in front of these educated and hard working editors, actually pick up a book on Islamic civilization and culture for you might learn something valuable about "your" religion and to your dismay, the influence of Persian architecture, arts, literature, etc on Islam as it is known today -- after years of being developed by different cultures and civilizations such as the Turks and Mongols after they assimilated. Arabs made Iranians more civilized and less barbaric? That has to be the funniest joke I have ever heard, I'm flabbergasted by your level of intelligence. Tell your monarchies to keep selling your oil and buying American made weapons, recycling is good for the environment. And by the way, what did your pious and God fearing people ever do for the Palestinians? Oh right, they got their ass handed to them by the Israelis who were outnumbered six to one. If it weren't for the West and the Persians, I'm sure the Arab world would be flourishing and spreading its wings for all the world to see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 (talk) 07:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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and Mr. Bazonka, who are you to have the final say on what that gulf is called? it should also say "Also known as" Arabian Gulf..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.210.238.186 (talk) 08:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- It's not up to me. It's up to common usage in the English language. If you can provide a reliable source that shows that "Arabian Gulf" is a commonly used name in English, then we shall use it. (What it is called in Arabic is not relevant in English-language Wikipedia.) Bazonka (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Not going into the current political conflict, here are some facts. First of all, Persia is located deep into the land with a mountain range separating the Gulf from Persia. This range of mountains serve as a geographic barrier separating persian people from the Gulf. Whereas the people residing along the coast of the Gulf, all around, are Arabs. Hence, Arabian Gulf. In addition, historically, there are no known Persian sailors. Meanwhile Arabic (Arab / Arabian) sailors are well known through history and their presence and the effects of their presence is clearly found across seas and oceans. Effects like the spread of Islam, the trade and communication between cultures throughout the continents was carried by Arab merchants and sailors. Hence, Arabian Gulf. Now if we want to trace the beginning of the name Persian Gulf, here's the story we believe is true. The real story of the Persian Gulf Myth. After the rising of Europe from the dark ages, as a result of enlightenment by Arab scholars, European nations realised the great potential for economical and political power that Arabs, and Muslims in general, have. Targeting the Muslim Empire and Arab world all around, the Gulf area was no exception. Different European military campaigns came with that target. The last of which, and most cunning, was the British campaign. After the downfall of the Muslim Empire, British began feeding the conflicts between the newly independent Arab states and tribes all around the Gulf. This lead to having some of these states conquered by the also newly formed but a bit older Persian Iran - which was built on hatred to the Arabs (who destroyed their "Persian Empire"). This British - Persian coinciding of goals lead to an Alliance between them. So, when the British campaign reached the gulf, it owed its 'success' of destroying the area and conquering the Arab states to its alliance with converted Persians, currently Dominating in Iran. As a result of that alliance, the Arabian Coast Lands (now in Iran) was given these Persians as a reward, along with converting the name of the Gulf to Persian Gulf. This is the TRUTH. This is the real, tragic history of the Gulf. Until this day, Arabs residing in Iran along the coast of the Arabian Gulf are being violently harassed by Persian racists. And until this day, they fight for survival. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.111.126.201 (talk) 08:11, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
- All irrelevant. See WP:COMMONNAME. Bazonka (talk) 16:16, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
This gulf is called as the Basra Gulf in Turkish — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.71.22 (talk) 00:10, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Persian Gulf Or Arabian Gulf Vote
http://www.PersianOrArabianGulf.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.209.70.74 (talk) 08:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Voting in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates? very funny — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.252.229.15 (talk) 12:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2015
Yaghub (talk) 07:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- No specific edit requested but appears to be a reference to changing the article name to "Arabian Gulf". Per many previous discussions, that's not going to happen per WP:COMMONNAME. DeCausa (talk) 07:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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Arabic description for Persian Gulf does not follow other language descriptions!
Hereby I would like to ask you to "correct" the description for "Persian Gulf" in Arabic. When you change the language from English to Arabic, it shows non valid description about Persian Gulf which is not in accordance with other languages descriptions. BR80.254.154.105 (talk) 11:18, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
- If I understand you correctly, you're concerned about the content of this page. The Arabic language version is a different version of Wikipedia. This talk page is for English Wikipedia only. You should discuss your concerns about the Arabic version on the Arabic Wikipedia talk page. Bazonka (talk) 13:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2016
The following links from United Nations and Merriam Webster shall be added to support legally recognized name of Persian Gulf:
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/ungegn/docs/23-gegn/wp/gegn23wp61.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/persian_gulf.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/mideastr.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/qatar.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/kuwait.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/english/htmain.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/westasia.pdf
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/iran.pdf
http://www.persiangulfonline.org/research/books.htm
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/nytmaps.pl?iran
Thank you
168.187.124.29 (talk) 11:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Not done - we already have three references including the United Nations and the CIA - we do not want or need a WP:LINKFARM - Arjayay (talk) 15:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Persian Gulf and Arabian Gulf
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Persian Gulf and Arabian Gulf . Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:45, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Add Dubai to list of Cities on Gulf coast
Currently cities listed on Persian gulf coast in UAE are Abu Dhabi, and Sharjah, Dubai is more significant in population and recognised more globally than either of these cities, please add it as it is a major city on the coast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxdjy (talk • contribs)