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God help us
This is totally unbelievable but unfortunately I have to spend my time on an issue like this. User:IM-yb is trying to drive us all crazy. He replaces the crest of the Greek national team which is this (as everyone in the world knows): [1] (I hereby provide you with some links (!!!) [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9] etc) with the logo of the Hellenic Football Federation. As you know, in every national football team article in wikipedia we use the official jersey crest and not the logo of each country's football federation:
- France national football team - French Football Federation
- Germany national football team - German Football Association
- Spain national football team - Royal Spanish Football Federation
In some cases the team's jersey crest is the same with the federation's logo. But in any case, in wikipedia national football team articles we use the jersey crest. This is something self-evident and we shouldn't even argue about this. Being completely unable to engage in a dialogue with this user (he is headstrong, I don't understand his English, I can't communicate with him, and ultimately, I don't want to spend my time on such obvious matters), I am urging the admins to give their ruling on that "issue" and decide what's right and what's wrong. When I reverted his edit, he posted this answer on my talk page: [10]: "I believe the crest of the national team is better about beauty, but is wrong, because the official sources has the Hellenic Football Federation logo as the official emblem. Because i am interested about logos of the national teams, many teams has the federation logo as official, regardless if they has another in the shirt. The others showing another logo in official sources (electronic bulletin boards, official banners and in the official websites of the federations) only for the national team. In another same articles, the logo of the shirt put in the text, not in the infobox, if it isn't official".
I am really looking forward to your intervention. Thank you so much for your attention, Gtrbolivar (talk) 14:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- I believe the crest of the national team is better about beauty, but is wrong, because the official sources has the Hellenic Football Federation logo as the official emblem. Because i am interested about logos of the national teams, many teams has the federation logo as official, regardless if they has another in the shirt. The others showing another logo in official sources (electronic bulletin boards, official banners and in the official websites of the federations) only for the national team.
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- onsports.gr
- epo.gr Greece vs Latvia, electronic bulletin board
- epo.gr Greece vs Latvia
- epo.gr Romania vs Greece
- In the same cases, quote examples:
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- Official logo of federation and official logo of national team used in wikipedia infoboxes:
- Royal Spanish Football Federation in contrast to Spain national football team, official source ([11])
- Scottish Football Association ([12]) in contrast to Scotland national football team ([13]), in the same official source
- Official logo of federation used and unofficial logo of national team not used in wikipedia infoboxes:
- Liechtenstein Football Association official logo ([14]), Liechtenstein national football team unofficial logo in official shirt ([15]), like Greece
- Polish Football Association official logo ([16]), Poland national football team unofficial logo in official shirt ([17])), like Greece
- And many other quotes, who the logo of the shirt don't used in official case by the official football governing bodies. Wikipedia follow that sources. --IM-yb (talk) 18:34, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Sources
- France national football team ([18]) - French Football Federation ([19])
- Germany national football team ([20]) - German Football Association ([21])
- Spain national football team ([22]) - Royal Spanish Football Federation ([23])
Where is the official source about that logo Gtrbolivar; You are only responsible about that revert ([24]). Wikipedia doesn't want your opinion about photos. Wikipedia want official sources (FIFA, UEFA, HFF). --IM-yb (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- This is duplicated at ANI and is being addressed there. Closing
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template. Yunshui 雲水 10:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Course of action?
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- Without a shred of arrogance, I don't understand what he is suggesting here. If there's someone here who did understand please let us know. The crest of the Greek national football team has been there for years, it is our official jersey crest. This user is trying to replace it with the logo of the Hellenic Football Federation, which is utterly wrong and (excuse my tone) ridiculous. How can I open a public discussion about this? I mean, seriously, this cannot stand. Unfortunately, we'll end up arguing the most obvious and self-evident facts here in wikipedia. Wikipedia simply cannot become a shelter for any headstrong user who wants to impose his own erroneous and distorted point of view on everybody else, just because he has all the time in the world available.
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- On every other dispute I had with this user, he simply imposed his point of view (which was completely wrong and against every wikipedia rule) firstly because he has enormous amounts of time available and secondly because there is nobody else to stop him and put an end to his arbitrary actions. So I am looking forward to your advice admins: What is the proper course of action from here? I want a public discussion and a consensus from a vast majority of users. We cannot let IM-yb to do whatever he wants just because nobody cares. If we have to prove and argue about the most obvious and self-evident facts, if that's what it takes, we'll do it. Gtrbolivar (talk) 01:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Among most competitive teams?
Seriously, when I read the lead section I'm shocked. It's unsourced and biased. Compare with Denmark, you can notice despite their victories at Euros and Confederation Cup they don't use such praising terms. --Eporediese (talk) 07:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)