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CSD filter/tag rooting up a lot of false positives
Lately, in the past few days I guess, there has been some goings-on with the CSD filter that seem to have created a lot of false positives, such as here and here, where an edit to a CSD-tagged page resulted in filter 29 believing that the CSD template was removed, but instead it was just edited. The latest edition by Dragons flight made some formatting changes, but of course, this may have made some functional difference if a mistake was made. Could someone please check it out? Thanks, My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 19:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- There is something kind of mysterious here. In the log of the Horatio Brannen edit [1], it clearly shows the speedy template being removed. (In other words, not a false positive.) But in the diff of the same edit [2], there was no change made to the speedy template. Somehow the data being sent to the filter (and the log) seems to be out-of-sync with the results stored in the database. That's a bad sign. Perhaps it is related to an edit conflict, or the use of visual editor, but it is not a problem I've noticed before. Dragons flight (talk) 21:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- I noticed one of these around then, but not since. —SMALLJIM 13:27, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- I am fairly certain that I have correctly guessed the cause of the issue and have "created a task" on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130694. ⁓ Hello71 02:59, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Er, I didn't read the part where User:Dragons flight mentioned edit conflicts. I doubt the issue is related to VE, since as far as I know that is entirely client side and whatever the result of the edit, it is submitted via the common APIs. Further, Special:AbuseLog/15158997 used mobile web edit, not VE. ⁓ Hello71 03:02, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- User:Noyster reported some more instances at WP:Edit filter/False positives/Reports#Noyster. —SMALLJIM 10:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73947, 1.5 year old bug, but much more noticeable now due to default VE. ⁓ Hello71 16:02, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- "This bug has been fixed and the fix will be deployed to Wikimedia wikis this week, with MediaWiki version 1.27.0-wmf.21, per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.27/Roadmap." [3] ⁓ Hello71 11:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73947, 1.5 year old bug, but much more noticeable now due to default VE. ⁓ Hello71 16:02, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- User:Noyster reported some more instances at WP:Edit filter/False positives/Reports#Noyster. —SMALLJIM 10:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- I noticed one of these around then, but not since. —SMALLJIM 13:27, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
EF 690
Would someone mind telling me I haven't just done something loony? I tested my change and it seems sensible, but I'm suddenly unconfident with this again. BethNaught (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Request for edit filter manager permission
I want to test requested edit filters, since there is a long backlog. As far as I know, the most convenient way to do this is to create the desired edit filter as disabled, then manually testing it on the desired edits, ⁓ Hello71 16:15, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Edit_filter#User_right this is a highly restricted permission - so will require a discussion period here. Do you have any experience on the test wiki, or else where actually creating filters? — xaosflux Talk 16:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Linked in from WP:AN. — xaosflux Talk 16:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- I do not understand what you mean by "the test wiki". Is this something on Labs? I have much experience creating regular expressions. ⁓ Hello71 17:24, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Further, the stated reason for restricting the right is to prevent disruption to the wiki. I don't believe this is an issue, because I won't be changing any existing filters, only creating new ones. I can also promise not to enable anything until I have it reviewed here by someone holding the abusefilter flag. ⁓ Hello71 17:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'd like to see links to requested filters, with some demonstration that you have a sufficient understanding of how regular expressions and the abuse filter extension work — MusikAnimal talk 17:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hello71, please see https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page for the Test wiki. Nyttend (talk) 17:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, but unfortunately, that says "The Wikipedia Test Wiki is not: an area to play with administrator's tools". Fortunately, two of the places linked to seem OK. However, they do not use real Wikipedia data. My purpose is to specifically test requested edit filters, which logically must be tested on actual edits to the English Wikipedia. It seems a waste of time for all involved for me to copy and paste example edit filters here, let alone on a completely separate wiki. ⁓ Hello71 21:01, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hello71, please see https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page for the Test wiki. Nyttend (talk) 17:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'd like to see links to requested filters, with some demonstration that you have a sufficient understanding of how regular expressions and the abuse filter extension work — MusikAnimal talk 17:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Further, the stated reason for restricting the right is to prevent disruption to the wiki. I don't believe this is an issue, because I won't be changing any existing filters, only creating new ones. I can also promise not to enable anything until I have it reviewed here by someone holding the abusefilter flag. ⁓ Hello71 17:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'm going to have to go with MusikAnimal here, wanting to run tests is not enough for me to support adding edit filter editing to someone. — xaosflux Talk 11:13, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
EF 755
Apparently I'm supposed to notify you that filter 755, a private filter intended to prevent a banned user engaging in certain inappropriate behaviour, has enabled in disallow mode. There you go. BethNaught (talk) 17:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Captcha loop
Hi, there seems to be a bug.
I was trying to add external links to a page.
When trying to submit, I get this warning:
"It appears you are adding external links to many different Wikipedia pages in rapid succession. [bla bla] If you're sure you still want to make this edit, go to the bottom of this page and click 'Save page' again, and it will be submitted as is."
The "many different Wikipedia pages" part seems incorrect, as I haven't added links to any page recently.
When hitting "Submit" again, I get the captcha again, then after solving the captcha, I get the warning again.
So I'm in a loop and can't get the edit submitted.
--93.223.10.7 (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- What filter was this with? It's a known bug so we should try to avoid it. Sam Walton (talk) 22:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
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- I think it's filter 80 (the warning doesn't say which filter it is, but I found the filter by searching for the warning text) --93.223.10.7 (talk) 22:19, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
I did use the "show changes" button a couple times, before eventually submitting, so this seems to have triggered the filter? --93.223.10.7 (talk) 22:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- It's an issue with the way captcha and the edit filter interact inherently; if you have to input a captcha it resets the warning I believe. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. Sam Walton (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
New 500/30 level is live
Pages can be converted to protection and the edit filter blocks should be able to be removed now. — xaosflux Talk 03:22, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux: I can help with this. As for the padlock, we should probably update {{pp-30-500}} to use {{pp}}. I've asked at Template talk:Pp#Extended confirmed protection. Feel free to weigh in. I've guess I need to update Twinkle too — MusikAnimal talk 04:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- More at WP:VPT#New protection level. I'm going to refrain from protecting more of these pages for the time being — MusikAnimal talk 05:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Pages protected and filter disabled — MusikAnimal talk 18:08, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- More at WP:VPT#New protection level. I'm going to refrain from protecting more of these pages for the time being — MusikAnimal talk 05:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Condition limit
Over the past few days number of edits reaching the condition limit has been consistently high, usually at least 2%, often above 3%. The immediate cause of this, it seems, was my addition of new logic to filter 755. (This is a private filter to hinder a currently active troll.) As a consequence that filter is not working properly. If anyone thinks they can optimise it without removing functionality, please try. Alternatively would it be possible to rationalise conditions elsewhere? It looks like 750, and perhaps 751, could be merged into filter 58. Also, @Prodego: do you still need test filter 1 active?
Sorry if I'm stepping on people's toes with my big filter but it would be really great if we could get it working again, given the disruption this user has been causing the past few weeks. BethNaught (talk) 11:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- @BethNaught: looks like you are only interested in specific namespaces, try adding a namespace filter (
article_namespace
) early in the filter if you don't need everything. — xaosflux Talk 11:43, 7 April 2016 (UTC)- @Xaosflux: thank you for the suggestion. By short-circuiting some edits away from the first block, it seems (almost) all edits are now being properly evaluated. BethNaught (talk) 18:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- See also User:MusikBot/StaleFilters/Report (also mentioned in the header at the top of this page). Some of these we probably don't need anymore — MusikAnimal talk 18:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux: thank you for the suggestion. By short-circuiting some edits away from the first block, it seems (almost) all edits are now being properly evaluated. BethNaught (talk) 18:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
EF 756
Per the guideline, I'm notifying you that I have enabled this filter in disallow mode and will leave it that way for the time being. It's broad but I will be monitoring the logs. BethNaught (talk) 21:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Changes to condition count
This is going to significantly alter how conditions are counted. In practice, the number of conditions used by most existing filters should decline, allowing for more filters within the existing limit. Dragons flight (talk) 19:38, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Dragons flight: Awesome! Any news on getting a per-filter condition counter again? Sam Walton (talk) 12:37, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- No. For performance reasons, the devs said they wanted someone to rewrite the profiling system to reduce the number of memcache calls from hundreds to something less than 10. I don't have the time to do it, and no one seems interested in the issue. You could try encouraging Matma Rex (talk · contribs) to do it, since he made the current edit. Dragons flight (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- The update is now live and the percentage of filters exceeding the limit is now consistently zero. I'm not really sure how much head room this really gives us, but my very rough guess is that the system would now accommodate somewhere between 30% and 100% more filters. Dragons flight (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2016 (UTC)