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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, you need not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. Put a request to Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. That is not a sufficient condition. Please do not use it as the only reason to delete a redirect.
- Redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted too, so it's not a necessary condition either. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at a "Search results 1–10 out of 378" result instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination has no discussion, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes. If you think a redirect should be targeted to a different article, discuss it on the talk page of the current target article or the proposed target article, or both. But with more difficult cases, this page can serve as a central discussion forum for tough debates about which page a redirect should target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain nontrivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or a redirect is created as a result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is quite possible that its deletion will break links in old, historical versions of some other articles—such an event is very difficult to envision and even detect.
Note that there could exist (for example), links to the URL "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorneygate" anywhere on the Internet. If so, then those links might not show up by checking for (clicking on) "WhatLinksHere" for "Attorneygate"—since those links might come from somewhere outside Wikipedia.
Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 may apply.) See also: § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting Apple to Orange. (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note "WP:" redirects are in the Wikipedia namespace, WP: being an alias for Wikipedia.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to itself or to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8, though you should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion, if recently created.
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then it needs to be deleted to make way for move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion. If not, take the article to Requested Moves.
- If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- You risk breaking incoming or internal links by deleting the redirect. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. stats.grok.se can also provide evidence of outside utility.
- The redirect is to a plural form or to a singular form, or to some other grammatical form.
- The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and deleting the redirect would prevent anonymous users from so expanding the redirect, and thereby make the encyclopedia harder to edit and reduce the pool of available editors. (Anonymous users cannot create new pages in the mainspace; they can only edit existing pages, including redirects, which they can expand). This criterion does not apply to redirects that are indefinitely semi-protected or more highly protected.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names. Perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is therefore not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
See also: Policy on which redirects can be deleted immediately.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
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Tag the redirect.
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List the entry on RfD.
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Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Contents
- 1 Before listing a redirect for discussion
- 2 The guiding principles of RfD
- 3 When should we delete a redirect?
- 4 Closing notes
- 5 How to list a redirect for discussion
- 6 Current list
- 6.1 June 3
- 6.2 June 2
- 6.2.1 Misconstruers
- 6.2.2 Best games
- 6.2.3 List Of Worldwide Million Selling Video Game Software (Shipments)
- 6.2.4 List of best-selling video
- 6.2.5 Biggest video games of all time
- 6.2.6 List of most profitable video games ever
- 6.2.7 Biggest games ever
- 6.2.8 Best selling games
- 6.2.9 Best Place to Work
- 6.2.10 Best agers
- 6.2.11 Best kiss
- 6.2.12 Best management practice
- 6.2.13 Fastest 4G
- 6.2.14 Fastest orbit
- 6.2.15 Fastest serve
- 6.2.16 Slowest organisms
- 6.2.17 Greatest hits of the 00's
- 6.2.18 Greatest movie villains
- 6.2.19 Greatest earthquake
- 6.2.20 Greatest cricket match
- 6.2.21 Greatest games of all time
- 6.2.22 The smallest positive integer that does not have an entry on Wikipedia
- 6.2.23 The largest cities of Thailand
- 6.2.24 The fastest street legal car in the world
- 6.2.25 Redirects to Enrico Caruso compact disc discography
- 6.2.26 The greatest game of all
- 6.2.27 The greatest american superhero
- 6.2.28 The greatest ambush in history
- 6.2.29 The most Baptist state in the world
- 6.2.30 The most valuable stamp
- 6.2.31 Teachingly
- 6.2.32 The most expensive real estate by city
- 6.2.33 The most remarkable formula in the world
- 6.2.34 The most dangerous man in the world
- 6.2.35 The most expansive
- 6.2.36 The most annoying thing in the world
- 6.2.37 Klimax
- 6.2.38 12 planets
- 6.2.39 Albert Haddock
- 6.2.40 Notepad software
- 6.2.41 Universal Publishing and Distribution Corporation
- 6.2.42 Mayu Tomita
- 6.2.43 Laxatively
- 6.2.44 Lackers
- 6.2.45 7/11
- 6.2.46 Reich Ministry of Economics
- 6.2.47 Teacheth
- 6.2.48 Purgatively
- 6.2.49 Intimating
- 6.2.50 Sunderance
- 6.2.51 Teachings
- 6.2.52 Know'st
- 6.2.53 2005 Eureka Earthquake
- 6.2.54 Typers
- 6.3 June 1
- 6.3.1 Grand Collar
- 6.3.2 Krikalev
- 6.3.3 Stephen hawley
- 6.3.4 Mike mullane
- 6.3.5 Bill pogue
- 6.3.6 Cute is what we aim for
- 6.3.7 FORECASTER AVILA
- 6.3.8 Complete works of Plato
- 6.3.9 Sliding doors
- 6.3.10 Obama's asian trip
- 6.3.11 Consulate-General of China in Houston
- 6.3.12 StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNeSs
- 6.3.13 OBAMA'S VISIT TO CHINA
- 6.3.14 Spring and winter holidays
- 6.3.15 Black Stone (shrine)
- 6.3.16 Triameter
- 6.3.17 Trumpian
- 6.3.18 Hilary with extended titles
- 6.3.19 Longbladed
- 6.3.20 Head Writer
- 6.3.21 Ogden Codman Jr, House
- 6.3.22 The big ideas
- 6.3.23 Domovoi (Quest for Glory)
- 6.3.24 Lily's
- 6.3.25 Follow (song)
- 6.3.26 Omini
- 6.3.27 Regular Grand Lodge of England
- 6.3.28 D'Angers
- 6.4 May 31
- 6.4.1 Medial section
- 6.4.2 The best short films in the world
- 6.4.3 Matthias Schwab
- 6.4.4 Soyuz-st
- 6.4.5 The Masonic
- 6.4.6 Servicer
- 6.4.7 Allegoric
- 6.4.8 Asiavision Song Contest 2009, Asia-Pacific Song Contest 2009, Our Sound 2010, and Our Sound 2011
- 6.4.9 Iron_Island
- 6.4.10 Obstructor
- 6.4.11 What Can We Expect to Find
- 6.4.12 3 Questions No One Asks Aloud
- 6.4.13 43rd People's Choice Awards
- 6.4.14 Byword (saying)
- 6.4.15 Antisigmapi
- 6.4.16 San pi
- 6.4.17 Into You (song)
- 6.4.18 Fenerbahçe F.C.
- 6.4.19 Trinacria Linux
- 6.4.20 Sealbrown
- 6.4.21 Blessed fault
- 6.4.22 R. Wolf
- 6.4.23 PS TNI
- 6.4.24 BeritaSatu Media Holdings
- 6.5 May 30
- 6.5.1 Malthusian Blues
- 6.5.2 Salerno Bay
- 6.5.3 Bluegreen
- 6.5.4 Breast absence
- 6.5.5 Armement Air-Sol Modulaire
- 6.5.6 Heteropurpura polymorpha
- 6.5.7 Wikipedia:You can see Hell from here
- 6.5.8 Al-Farsi
- 6.5.9 Wattling
- 6.5.10 Backcrest
- 6.5.11 Sothos
- 6.5.12 Sir Robert Catesby
- 6.5.13 Arrow cresting
- 6.5.14 Battle of the Bastards
- 6.5.15 No One (Game of Thrones)
- 6.5.16 Maryam, mother of Isa
- 6.5.17 Maryam (mother of Isa)
- 6.5.18 Crooked Hillary
- 6.5.19 Millerisms
- 6.5.20 Millerette
- 6.5.21 Shelf of Russia
- 6.6 May 29
- 6.6.1 Ring structures
- 6.6.2 Atticist
- 6.6.3 Dorso ventral
- 6.6.4 Wash against
- 6.6.5 Charles III of the United Kingdom
- 6.6.6 Pavlos II of Greece
- 6.6.7 Kyewha-dong
- 6.6.8 Climaxing
- 6.6.9 Life historian
- 6.6.10 Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white
- 6.6.11 The Masses (Thai newspaper)
- 6.6.12 Rhode Island General Treasurer
- 6.6.13 Gun-grabbers
- 6.7 May 28
- 6.8 May 27
- 6.8.1 Contra (Swedish magazine)
- 6.8.2 Greenisms
- 6.8.3 Environmentalistically
- 6.8.4 Σημείωσις
- 6.8.5 White washing
- 6.8.6 Schwarz Gelbe Allianz
- 6.8.7 U.S. Route 48 (1965)
- 6.8.8 Issoufi
- 6.8.9 Jenna Thiam
- 6.8.10 109-028
- 6.8.11 109-507
- 6.8.12 Centro Latinoamericano de Administración para el Desarrolho
- 6.8.13 Pruned tree
- 6.8.14 Triple metres
- 6.8.15 Strategic Air Command Group and Wing emblems gallery
- 6.8.16 Songpadaero
- 6.8.17 Yeongdongdaero
- 6.8.18 Glacier related redirects
- 6.8.19 List of British television programs
- 6.8.20 Countdown (book)
- 6.8.21 The Harbinger (newspaper)
- 6.8.22 Extinction (peerage)
- 6.8.23 Equilibrium (systems)
- 6.8.24 Doomsday Machine (destruction)
- 6.8.25 Practical joker (person)
- 6.8.26 Pegasus (rocking horse)
- 6.8.27 Rascal Scooters
- 6.8.28 Conundrum (song)
- 6.8.29 Royale (hair)
- 6.8.30 When the Bough Breaks (The Serrated Edge)
- 6.8.31 Call to Arms (Lu Xun)
- 6.8.32 Paradise (football)
- 6.8.33 Whisperers
- 6.8.34 Endgame (anthology)
- 6.8.35 Crystallisations
- 6.8.36 Crystalizations
- 6.8.37 Crystaline solids
- 6.8.38 The Cruiser (politician)
- 6.8.39 The Wrestlers (film)
- 6.8.40 Green Thumb Theater
- 6.8.41 Fidesz – Magyar Polgári Szövetség
- 6.8.42 Shitpost
- 6.8.43 Pattern of cracking
Current list
June 3
Black orange
- Black orange → Brown (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another Neelix color redirect i'm not sure. Brown is made from red yellow and black. I get why this redirect was made cause red and yellow make orange. But, I don't see orange alongside black in the article. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Marilyn Manson discography
- Marilyn Manson discography → Marilyn Manson (band) discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should this be retargeted to Marilyn Manson#Discography? The current target is a discography of the band, whose article is located at Marilyn Manson (band). If consensus is found to keep the current target, an RM request should be started to move the article over this redirect to remove unnecessary disambiguation. SSTflyer 01:47, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Disambiguate due to the lead singer and the band having the same name. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:02, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Light Goldenrods
- Light Goldenrods → Flax (color) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be retargeted to Goldenrod_(color)#Light_goldenrod because flax is not light goldenrod. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:38, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Golden white
- Golden white → Flax (color) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This Neelix redirect i'm not sure. The flax article says its a yellowish-grey color, but flax can be found in the Shades_of_white#Flax article. Which one is right? MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WARALERT
- Wikipedia:WARALERT → Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
All but orphaned redirect to WP:AN/I, unlikely to be used in the future. — xaosflux Talk 00:58, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
June 2
Misconstruers
- Misconstruers → Misunderstand (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Misconstruer → Misunderstand (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Misconstruing → Misunderstand (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Misconstrued → Misunderstand (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Misconstrues → Misunderstand (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Misconstrue → Misunderstand (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Misconstrue is not the same word as misunderstand, so its current target of a redirect page is not appropriate. Understand is a possibility. However, I have only seen this word in a legal context (a law warning people to correctly understand its intent), so is there so law related target for this? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Nothing to say on the matter but I'm wondering why Misconstrued Misconstruction redirects where it does. Uanfala (talk) 00:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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- It's related to something he said during the BP spill [1] ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all, tentatively. This sounds like one of those vague topics that might warrant difficult to write but curious to read articles of their own, but there doesn't seem to be anything at the moment. I can't think of anything specific enough to redirect to. The current target Misunderstand is a somewhat pointless dab page containing only a dictionary definition and two links to other dabs (Misunderstanding and Misunderstood). It is also probably one of those vague topics that could do with an article of their own, but if this is going to happen, I'm sure it will be a different one than the one for Misconstrue. Uanfala (talk) 00:47, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all or soft redirect useful ones to wiktionary Not the same thing. Soft redirects to Wiktionary would be what anyone searching this would be looking for.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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- "Misconstrued" gets 84 hits over the last 90 days, "Misconstrue" gets 63, and "Misconstruing" gets 11. The others get 1 or 2. So "misconstrued", "misconstrue", and "misconstruing" could use soft redirects to Wiktionary, the rest can probably go. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:00, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Best games
- Best games → List of video games considered the best (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best games ever → List of video games considered the best (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of games considered the best → List of video games considered the best (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The word "game" is ambiguous and, in this case, could refer to board games or sports. Steel1943 (talk) 23:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
List Of Worldwide Million Selling Video Game Software (Shipments)
- List Of Worldwide Million Selling Video Game Software (Shipments) → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm not sure in the least how this is a likely search term for anything. Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
List of best-selling video
- List of best-selling video → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Video" is ambiguous. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Biggest video games of all time
- Biggest video games of all time → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm not sure how a "big video game" is defined, but it's probably not synonymous with "best-selling". Steel1943 (talk) 23:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Biggest in this case sounds like bestselling to me. But I suppose it could mean largest file size also. 39 people have seen that page since its creation 8 years ago this month. So not many searching for it. Dream Focus 02:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
List of most profitable video games ever
- List of most profitable video games ever → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Just because a product has a high amount in sales doesn't mean automatically that it has a high profit margin. Since no production budget figures are present in the target article, the information/subject of this redirect is technically nowhere in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Profitable in this instance means gross profit not net profit. There is no other list article to redirect it to. That list would help you find the information you seek. Just something I searched for once and found no results, so just made a redirect to that list. Page views from the time the article was created until now is 196. So others are searching for that also at times. Dream Focus 23:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- That seems like a good reason to create an article at this title, rather than redirect readers to a page where they might not be finding the exact information they are looking for. The differences in the use of "profit" in this case may not be clear to readers. Steel1943 (talk) 23:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Biggest games ever
- Biggest games ever → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous and erroneous. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Best selling games
- Best selling games → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best selling games ever → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of the best selling games of all time → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best selling games of all time → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Biggest selling games of all time → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Top selling games → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Bestselling games → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best selling game → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best-selling games → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Biggest game sales → List of best-selling video games (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects seem ambiguous since in this context, "games" is ambiguous. For one, it could refer to board games. Steel1943 (talk) 22:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- The articles could all link to a disambigous page that then links to the various list articles for bestselling games of each type, but there is currently no list of any type of games other than video games that list the sales figures. No bestselling list for card games, board games, or role playing games. Anyway, I say keep it, because those searching for this are probably thinking about video games, and this will help them find what they are looking for. Dream Focus 02:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - a fairly good example of redirect spammimg, first of all. These don't assist the search function. Second of all, setting RECENTISM aside, it is ambiguous. None of the best-selling games prior to the 1980s were video games, but they'd certainly fit this redirect pattern. MSJapan (talk) 03:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Best Place to Work
- Best Place to Work → List of buzzwords (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best Place to work → List of buzzwords (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best Places to Work → List of buzzwords (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best place to work → List of buzzwords (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Other than these four redirects, List of buzzwords has no other incoming redirects, and for probably good reason. It seems misleading to readers to be redirected to a list section that doesn't identify the term which they searched. Otherwise, I cannot foresee a retargeting option for these redirects (unless they are an official name of a notable award or something related) since their titles are WP:NPOV violations. Steel1943 (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as it's not a buzzword, but a generic phrase, qualifiable in many different ways. MSJapan (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Best agers
- Best agers → Empty nest syndrome (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Best agers" is not mentioned anywhere in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 22:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Best kiss
- Best kiss → MTV Movie Awards (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should this be redirected to MTV Movie Award for Best Kiss, or should this be deleted since it could be seen as ambiguous and other similar redirects related to individual MTV Movie Awards do not exist such as Best Kiss, Best Fight and Best fight? (I support deletion over retargeting.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Best management practice
- Best management practice → Best practice (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best management practices → Best practice (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Something seems off about these redirects. By looking at their target article, my original thought is that the redirects should be deleted per WP:REDLINK since they seem like an encyclopedic subject of some sort. Either way, the target article doesn't seem exclusive to management practices, so the redirects could be seen as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Fastest 4G
- Fastest 4G → 4G#LTE, America's Gold-Standard 4G (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It's unclear what this redirect is supposed to refer to, especially considering that the section referenced in the redirect does not exist in the target article (anymore). Steel1943 (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Fastest orbit
- Fastest orbit → MAXI J1659-152 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It seems unclear how or why the target of the redirect is declared "fastest orbit". Steel1943 (talk) 22:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- According to the article, "the star [of the target article's system] is the fastest moving star ever seen in an X-ray binary system, which would seem to be the reason that this is the target. Although I suppose there could be other celestial bodies that have a fast orbit than this star. Rlendog (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and expand later to other orbits as a disambiguation page. We can have fastest orbit in our solar system, fastest cometary orbit, fastest exoplanet orbit, fastest human orbit, and fastest artificial satellite orbit. These are questions people typically ask Siri and Google Now and this where those AIs get their answers from. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Fastest serve
- Fastest serve → Fastest recorded tennis serves (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per Serve (a disambiguation page), "serve" can refer to at least Serve (tennis) or Serve (volleyball) in sports. Delete since it is unclear what "serve" refers to in the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - until and unless there is an article for "fastest volleyball serve," in which case this redirect should be converted to a dab page, this is the appropriate redirect target. Rlendog (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Rlendog's cogent reasoning. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:46, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Rlendog. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:44, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Slowest organisms
- Slowest organisms → Slowest animals (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Fastest organisms → Fastest animals (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Organisms" ≠ "Animals". Steel1943 (talk) 22:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Unless we have a "slowest" and "fastest" article for non-animal organisms, which would make these redirects ambiguous (and thus still possibly useful as dab pages) these redirect targets are the most likely articles someone typing in "fastest organisms" or "slowest organisms" would be looking for. Rlendog (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Do we have fast plants? Maybe the walking onion. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Greatest hits of the 00's
- Greatest hits of the 00's → 2000s in music (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Besides "00s" being ambiguous, the target of the redirect isn't specifically for "hits", and there are no other existing redirects that use the "Greatest hits of the Y0's" format. Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Greatest movie villains
- Greatest movie villains → AFI's 100 Years...100 Heroes & Villains (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect seems to have WP:NPOV issues simply because it redirects to an article which it 1) is not the official name and 2) is based on only one entity's opinion: the American Film Institute. If this target was a list based in some sort of ranking system by several sources (such as an article with the name List of greatest movie villains by rankings), then this would be a bit of a different story since the target article wouldn't be reliant on one source. Steel1943 (talk) 21:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Target article relies on one source, but as long as that article doesn't get deleted, and as long as there isn't an alternative list of greatest movie villains by some other source (or combination of sources), in which case this title should be converted to a dab page, or some other appropriate redirect target, this seems like the most likely article someone typing in "Greatest movie villains" would be looking for. Rlendog (talk) 22:42, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep seems spot on. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Greatest earthquake
- Greatest earthquake → 1960 Valdivia earthquake (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Since the redirect doesn't seem to be an official alternative name for the target, the redirect seems to fail WP:NPOV. Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Even if not the "official" name, as the most powerful earthquake recorded this is the most likely article someone would be looking for when typing :greates earthquake." Rlendog (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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- That's subjective though. It could be the greatest death toll, greatest cost, greatest intensity, greatest area felt (which I believe would go to the New Madrid earthquake), etc. That can be rectified by retargeting to Lists of earthquakes, but I don't think it'd be worth it. -- Tavix (talk) 22:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lists of earthquakes where there are lists for earthquakes that had the greatest magnitude, did the most monetary damage, and cost the most lives. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:02, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Greatest cricket match
- Greatest cricket match → Fifth ODI, Australian cricket team in South Africa in 2005–06 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect doesn't seem to be an official alternative name for the target. Steel1943 (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Greatest games of all time
- Greatest games of all time → List of video games considered the best (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Game" doesn't always mean "video game", even is "game" is plural. Due to this, this redirect has a WP:XY issue since it could refer to sports. Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - As discussed in the nom, "greatest games of all time" could refer to the greatest football games ever played or the greatest board games. No reason to direct it to a video game article, and too ambiguous to be a sensible dab page. Rlendog (talk) 22:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The smallest positive integer that does not have an entry on Wikipedia
- The smallest positive integer that does not have an entry on Wikipedia → Berry paradox (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect doesn't seem like an official name for the redirect's target, and the redirect seems to contradict itself since it targets the subject on Wikipedia which it refers. So ... delete. Steel1943 (talk) 21:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NAVELGAZING. Unlike the paradox described at the target article, there is an answer to this. Assuming "entry" means "article," the answer is (currently) 261. -- Tavix (talk) 21:47, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to delete the page, it was just a joke. --Peskoj (talk) 22:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Interesting number paradox. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. Not a useful redirect, nor is it a paradox, because redirects aren't articles. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
The largest cities of Thailand
- The largest cities of Thailand → List of cities in Thailand (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are no other "The largest cities of ..." titles in existence (as proven at Special:PrefixIndex/The largest cities), so I'm not sure why this redirect should exist. Also, when referring to cities, referring to size without being more specific automatically has an WP:XY issue since it is unclear if "size" refers to population size or size of the cities' area. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. "Largest city" by convention refers to population size. See: World's largest cities. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:04, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
The fastest street legal car in the world
- The fastest street legal car in the world → Bugatti Veyron (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This doesn't seem like an official title for this subject. Apparently, this vehicle is currently the "fastest street-legal car" per the Guinness Book of World Records, but the redirect is not an official title. (This redirect seems akin to the World's Largest Apple-like redirects that were deleted a couple of years back.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: ...or should the nominated redirect be retargeted to Production car speed record since Fastest car redirects there? (For the record, I support deletion over this option.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Redirects to Enrico Caruso compact disc discography
- Puccini Recordings → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 20 arias de opera → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 21 Favorite Arias → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 21 favorite arias → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 4 Sacred Songs → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Best of Enrico Caruso Vol. I → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Caruso - A Legendary Performer → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Caruso 2000 → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Caruso a legendary performer → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Caruso-A Legendary Performer → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Great voices of the century → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Greatest hits of Enrico Caruso Vol. 2 → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- His Finest Performances (Caruso) → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- His finest performances → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Memories of Caruso → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Spotlight on Enrico Caruso → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Caruso Edition Vol. III → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Greatest Tenor in the World → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The best of Caruso → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The greatest tenor of the world → Enrico Caruso compact disc discography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These are several titles of albums that are not mentioned in the target article Enrico Caruso compact disc discography. Some of their omissions may be related to this edit. Steel1943 (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Fix article and retarget. From the edit history, it looks like these are all legitimate album titles, including "The Greatest Tenor in the World". Many have been removed from the target article, which is not very helpful. I think part of the problem is that "compact disc" is in the article title, but it would be useful to have an article which includes both LPs and CDs. I note there is also Enrico Caruso original recordings discography, which I think Enrico Caruso compact disc discography should probably merge into. Normally I would expect the title to be Enrico Caruso discography; not sure why "original recordings" is in there, unless it's to distinguish from "best of" compilations. -- Beland (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, reorganize, and retitle Agree with Beland. Suggest all of the minimally useful redirects above be deleted. Also I hope someone will endeavor to completely overhaul the current page and make a proper discography, entitled Enrico Caruso discography. It's Something many WP readers would find very helpful. Big job though. Tthe current page was no doubt well-intentioned but is basically a mess. Full of duplications and based on random LP and CD compilations, most of which are no longer in print. Cheers, Markhh (talk) 01:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
The greatest game of all
- The greatest game of all → Rugby league (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Greatest Game of All → Rugby league (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per the target article, this term is only mentioned as the title of a reference used in the article; the phrase itself is not used in the article. Unless this is an official widely-used alternative name for the target article's subject (proof of this does not currently exist in the article), the redirect is a WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, not a good target for this phrase. -- Beland (talk) 19:50, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This comment was made prior to The Greatest Game of All being merged into this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 9#The Greatest Game of All was recently closed as no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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- @Tavix: Wow, I totally overlooked that. And the discussion happened less than a month ago. Well, might as well list it here to see if WP:CCC happens since I can't WP:WITHDRAW this since there's a "delete" vote present. (If I knew of the other discussion's existence and it happening less than a month ago, I may have never made this nomination.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Pinging all participants in the previous discussion, considering that I did not see the previous discussion for the CAPS-version of the redirect I nominated: Safiel, Prinsgezinde, LunarLander, Gibson Flying V (the redirects' creator), Doctorhawkes, Notecardforfree and Rubbish computer. Steel1943 (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as before. What happened to that discussion? I saw the point made, but over half the sources given simply use "greatest game" or otherwise don't capitalize it. Fans of the sport may occasionally use it but not only is it then still not very widespread, it's also something that's nearly unverifiable since for example googling "greatest game of all" returns a Youtube video about rugby, a book, and apart from that only articles about video games. I'm no longer as strong about the delete, but unless it really catches on I remain skeptical. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete As nominator of the first discussion, I still consider it purely a matter of opinion and thus a useless redirect. Safiel (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Obviously. As per last time.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The greatest american superhero
- The greatest american superhero → The Greatest American Hero (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect doesn't seem to be an alternate or likely make for the target article. (If search engines return a connection between the redirect and the target article, it is most likely because of Wikipedia mirrors saving the connection since the redirect has existed since 2004.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The greatest ambush in history
- The greatest ambush in history → Battle of Lake Trasimene (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect seems to not be an official name for the redirect's target, so it seems to be a WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 17:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The most Baptist state in the world
- The most Baptist state in the world → Nagaland (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per the redirect's target article, it seems that the target subject has been known as "...the only predominantly Baptist state in the world..." as cited by a reference, but I'm not sure if that warrants the nominated WP:NPOV-violating redirect (unless this is an official term for the target article's subject.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. This doesn't seem like a POV redirect; it concerns a objective demographic attribute, which is correct and referenced. -- Beland (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Unless repeatedly sourced, I object to any redirect using "the most X in the world" or "the most X ever". Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 21:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep clearly defined and referenced in the article. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The most valuable stamp
- The most valuable stamp → Treskilling Yellow (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per the target article, this redirect seems to be a partial title of references/books (used in the target article) with titles that match this redirect, but may not be an official name for the target of the redirect. If it's not an official name for the target, the redirect has a WP:NPOV issue. Steel1943 (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget with list upgrade. It seems like a legitimate thing to ask Wikipedia, "What is the most valuable stamp in the world?" If the Treskilling Yellow currently is that, this seems like a legitimate redirect. Though that ranking probably changes from year to year, so it might be better to redirect to List of postage stamps and add last-sold or estimated-value prices to that list (which is interesting to have whether or not there's a redirect). -- Beland (talk) 20:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep 100% correct ... all Wikipedia entries need to be upgraded as new information arises and this is no exception. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Teachingly
- Teachingly → Teacher (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) While it has been used as a word, that's not the standard that we use to judge these redirects, per WP:NOTDIC. We keep common word forms to aid searches, and this is not one of them. -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The most expensive real estate by city
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The subject referenced in this redirect doesn't seem to be in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 16:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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The most remarkable formula in the world
- The most remarkable formula in the world → Euler's formula (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Besides the fact hat this doesn't seem to be an officially used name for the redirect's target's subject, this redirect seems to have ambiguity since "formula" refers to more than just mathematical subjects, and has a WP:NPOV issue especially since it declares its subject "The most remarkable formula in the world". Steel1943 (talk) 16:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Nominator note: The most remarkable formula in mathematics also targets the nominated redirect's target, but I did not include that one since that term without "the" has been used to identify the redirect's target in the past per the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 16:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Not a good target for this title. -- Beland (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The most dangerous man in the world
- The most dangerous man in the world → Anwar al-Awlaki (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per the target article: "...That month, Intelligence Research Specialist Kevin Yorke of the New York Police Department's Counterterrorism Division called him "the most dangerous man in the world"..." Is this enough to keep this WP:NPOV redirect in place? (I don't think it is.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The most expansive
- The most expansive → Lists of most expensive items (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect seems misleading since "expansive" is a word that is not synonymous with "expensive" while also having an issue of being uncontrollably ambiguous since it leaves the reader to wonder "The most expansive what?" Steel1943 (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Looks like this is trying to deal with a typo but I think it's probably making things worse, not better. -- Beland (talk) 21:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The most annoying thing in the world
- The most annoying thing in the world → Crazy Frog (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target article's subject seems to be alternatively known as "The Annoying Thing", but not as the redirect. For this reason, this redirect should probably be deleted as a WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Nominator note: I just found this YouTube video where the video's title is this redirect, but the video seems to have been uploaded by an unnotable video uploader who created a title for this video based on their personal opinion rather than anything else. Steel1943 (talk) 16:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Not a good target for this title. -- Beland (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Klimax
Zcchhh this is a bit tricky. Of course from the Greek it would be with K but not in English (neelix redirect). I don't Think we can do it this way. There are others more absurd that I have taken straight to CSD: Si Trew (talk) 12:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep; I think this is one of those misspellings where a valid case could be made for there being readers who have heard the term but not knowing the spelling. The only obvious ambiguity is that a Klimax is a particular type of ultra-high-end specialist network music player, but retargeting it to Linn Products would just be confusing. ‑ Iridescent 13:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Linn Products as {{R from product}}, it is discussed there. There are a number of possible section targets but I think going to the top is better, since discussion is spread out. I don't really like the idea of preferring a misspelling over a full-match brand name target, but if we really think that it's a plausible typo (I don't, FTR) then we could add a hatnote. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- It's a tricky one. I have never heard of them up in Glasgow but then my stuff is really cheap even so if you get a thirty year old stereo it sounds better than the modern tvs that sound like a bluebottle in a bean tin. Whack an old second hand thirty year old hifi on the back for about twenty five quid out of your favourite thrift store and you have Richer Sounds, (who I've noticed rather than doing small ads have started advertising on british telly so probably not worth using them any more). I have never been one much for acoustics cos all my classical music is from going to the BBC Proms and the acoustics in the Royal Albert Hall are dreadful. It has always been my dream though to earn enough to buy a ticket off of someone because it was built by subscription and every now and again they come up for sale for not too much money less than a large one and you can have a seat for life. You can sit in there when it's empty if you want and eat your sarnies. Right actually that is my target for this year is to earn enough to buy a permanent ticket in the three and nines for the Royal Albert Hall. At least I could say I had done something with my life then and I can give it to my niece when I die and she can go there. There is nothing better than going to the Proms and having kinda choose an unpopular concert I heard Mendelsohhn's violin concerto played by the Birmingham Symphony Orchestra and practically had the place to myself. For two quid that is about five Canadian dollars! It was beautiful conducted by Sir Simon Rattle I think. All that for two quid! I can't get a pack of fags for two quid! I only have to raise about a grand it is not much I can do that easy. Si Trew (talk) 14:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- @SimonTrew, modern TVs sound like a bluebottle in a bean tin intentionally. The TV market is so competitive that except at the extreme high end, the cost of your TV barely covers manufacturing and shipping; they make their money by selling you a soundbar to make the sound listenable at an extortionate markup. You see the same issue with other technologies; Apple makes considerably more from phone accessories and applications than they do from selling phones, for instance, while you'll spend considerably more on printer ink than you will on an actual printer. ‑ Iridescent 17:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- No I don't think it is as cynical as that User:Iridescent. The thing is that because they want to make them flat they can't put the echo or whatever you call it behind the speaker. You are never going to get any half decent sound out of a tinny quarter inch speaker. Sod their soundbars go and find a second hand thirty year old stereo do the plumbing and it works a treat. The leads are usually about two quid three bucks (don't need to buy the gold plated ones). Si Trew (talk) 17:47, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- That was just a word to the wise. My desk here i have an old Phillips thirty year old stereo that gives me Richer Sounds than out of the telly and in the living room I have another, both cost me about twenty quid from a second hand shop. I don't even know if the CD thingy on it works I just use em essentially as an amplifier. Works a treat. On my desk here I have the speakers on each side about six ashtrays and a stackload of books because I am very disorganised in one way, very organised in another, I have the Art of Computer Programming (in first edition, thank you) behind me, the Mythical Man-Month and various other technical bits, I have a bookshelf as a ready reference I am surprised we don't have that with about a thousand books on it because I chucked quite a few. I have set up my little study to be, well, a little study, and sometimes I do know what I am talking about. I can probably fetch something from my bookshelf quicker than you can find it on the Interweb. I have the best French, German, Hungarian and English dictionaries and little pocket ones for Spanish and Latin. I have I see two copies of Fowler's Modern English Usage. I also have Usage and Abusage don't like that much, seven volumes of the Magyar Lexicon and of course Arthur Mee's Children's Encylopaedia which is the fountain of all knowledge. I also picked up another children's encylopaedia the other day but that is not so good. I do know what I am talking about sometimes I just pretend I don't. Not on this one particularly but going through these Neelix redirects I am being patronised day in day out. There's a book by S. J. Perelman Vinegar Puss oh here is Chamber's Biographical Dictionary oh and The French Lieutenant's Woman, usually picked up for a song and usually in first edition. Next to that is a Haynes Manual for a Ford Mondeo, my bookshelf is not kinda arranged in a Dewey Decimal order it is arranged in Simon order. I do know what I am talking about sometimes. Si Trew (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- No I don't think it is as cynical as that User:Iridescent. The thing is that because they want to make them flat they can't put the echo or whatever you call it behind the speaker. You are never going to get any half decent sound out of a tinny quarter inch speaker. Sod their soundbars go and find a second hand thirty year old stereo do the plumbing and it works a treat. The leads are usually about two quid three bucks (don't need to buy the gold plated ones). Si Trew (talk) 17:47, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- @SimonTrew, modern TVs sound like a bluebottle in a bean tin intentionally. The TV market is so competitive that except at the extreme high end, the cost of your TV barely covers manufacturing and shipping; they make their money by selling you a soundbar to make the sound listenable at an extortionate markup. You see the same issue with other technologies; Apple makes considerably more from phone accessories and applications than they do from selling phones, for instance, while you'll spend considerably more on printer ink than you will on an actual printer. ‑ Iridescent 17:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- It's a tricky one. I have never heard of them up in Glasgow but then my stuff is really cheap even so if you get a thirty year old stereo it sounds better than the modern tvs that sound like a bluebottle in a bean tin. Whack an old second hand thirty year old hifi on the back for about twenty five quid out of your favourite thrift store and you have Richer Sounds, (who I've noticed rather than doing small ads have started advertising on british telly so probably not worth using them any more). I have never been one much for acoustics cos all my classical music is from going to the BBC Proms and the acoustics in the Royal Albert Hall are dreadful. It has always been my dream though to earn enough to buy a ticket off of someone because it was built by subscription and every now and again they come up for sale for not too much money less than a large one and you can have a seat for life. You can sit in there when it's empty if you want and eat your sarnies. Right actually that is my target for this year is to earn enough to buy a permanent ticket in the three and nines for the Royal Albert Hall. At least I could say I had done something with my life then and I can give it to my niece when I die and she can go there. There is nothing better than going to the Proms and having kinda choose an unpopular concert I heard Mendelsohhn's violin concerto played by the Birmingham Symphony Orchestra and practically had the place to myself. For two quid that is about five Canadian dollars! It was beautiful conducted by Sir Simon Rattle I think. All that for two quid! I can't get a pack of fags for two quid! I only have to raise about a grand it is not much I can do that easy. Si Trew (talk) 14:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- This would work. They can also be dabbed. There is also a Klimax band but no idea how notable they are. If there are multiples later on, then put them in Climax (disambiguation) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I've added a few spelling variants to Climax (disambiguation). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- This would work. They can also be dabbed. There is also a Klimax band but no idea how notable they are. If there are multiples later on, then put them in Climax (disambiguation) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete to aid searches. Timba#Klimax, some things by Linn Products, etc. The mentions (mostly in product names for the latter) are not strong enough for a disambiguation page at this time (Timba#Klimax section is a quote, "Klimax" is used several times in Linn Products but never prominently enough for a section target to be selected).—Godsy(TALKCONT) 15:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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12 planets
- 12 planets → IAU definition of planet (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This really should have been deleted instead of redirected. The first draft proposal of IAU's definition of planet would have led to twelve planets plus a further twelve candidates, which is probably why this was retargeted there. I don't think it's worth keeping, but if you want an alternative to deletion, 12th planet redirects to Zecharia Sitchin (but that's too far off for my tastes...) -- Tavix (talk) 23:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete even Gustav Holst in The Planet Suite which I have had the marvellous luck to hear at the Royal Albert Hall some August evening during the BBC Proms only thought of eight of them. These are now by IUA officially called planetoids. Si Trew (talk) 02:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete see no purpose in this. The only edit history that is being preserved is an incorrect "roll call" Which lists "Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Charon and UB313 ("Xena")." in order from the Sun.Ironically Charon was never classified as a plane (at least I don't remember that, I do remember and know that it is a moon of Pluto)Actually it would have been under the original (first draft) definition.Davidbuddy9 Talk 20:21, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect but to IAU definition of planet#First draft proposal as that is specifically what this redirect should do as it refers to that draft proposal because in that draft proposal Pluto Charon and Eris would have been classified as planets therefore increasing the Solar System planet count to 12. Davidbuddy9 Talk 13:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to IAU definition of planet#First draft proposal as that actually describes the issue around a hypothetical twelve planets in depth CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose retarget to IAU definition of planet#First draft proposal as that supposes that the IAU draft proposal is the only time there was hypothetically twelve planets, which, per Twelfth planet (disambiguation), is not the case. -- Tavix (talk) 15:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I'm going to have to oppose your opposition since the past convention to regard asteroids as being planets is a far more obscure practice in the mid-1800s without a particular resonance, I think, for today. I'm sure that there have been multiple times in history when some given individual claimed to think that there were 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, etc planets without it being a consensus view, or even a majority view slash notable minority view. The IAU's activities seem far more well-known and significant scientifically. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Twelve (12) planets ≠ Twelfth planet. Therefore retargeting to Twelfth planet (disambiguation) does not make any sense. Davidbuddy9 Talk 00:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget This should redirect to Twelfth planet (disambiguation), surely. shoy (reactions) 13:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Twelve (12) planets ≠ Twelfth planet. Therefore retargeting to Twelfth planet (disambiguation) does not make any sense. Davidbuddy9 Talk 00:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate. The fact that we're debating which is the dominant usage means that a disambiguation page is necessary for readers. Modest Genius talk 12:47, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Retarget. Twelfth planet (disambiguation) should link to any system in which there are twelve or more planets, and even though it's a different inflection, it's clearly the information that's being sought so I think we should redirect there. No point in having multiple disambiguation pages for 12-planet systems. I just added a link to IAU definition of planet#First draft proposal so hopefully it's now comprehensive. -- Beland (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Albert Haddock
- Albert Haddock → A. P. Herbert (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think we need to redirect this to Misleading Cases or some such I don't think it should go to APH. Si Trew (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Apparently I created this redirect. Albert Haddock was the protagonist in many of Sir Alan Herbert's Misleading Cases but this is not the right place to whack this to the author. If we retain we can do better by whacking to the section 9 "Misleading cases" (with the quotes). Haddock was a famous protagonist of litigation who among other things took a cow down Fleet Street (can a cow be a cheque?) with a fourpenny stamp attached to its dexter horn. That was a negotiable cow as it wasn't crossed. It has actually kinda escaped from humour and been used in legal cases as a legal precedent wrongly. Si Trew (talk) 17:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Retarget to Board_of_Inland_Revenue_v_Haddockwhere it is explained better. Si Trew (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)- Retarget to Uncommon Law, a more general article which introduces Albert Haddock in line 4. JohnCD (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Uncommon Law. That's probably the best and links all round the others. Si Trew (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to A. P. Herbert#"Misleading cases", where the reader can find out that Haddock is Herber's pseudonym and can click through to Uncommon Law or the Board of Inland Revenue case. Retargeting to one of those two individual cases is suboptimal because it doesn't inform the readers about Haddock as a pseudonym, and in the case of the former, does not mention the latter case which the A.P. Herbert article says is the most famous Haddock story. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Which target?
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Notepad software
- Notepad software → Text editor (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Notepad program → Text editor (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- @Codename Lisa: added Notepad program to the nomination.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 07:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
This page is created only to claim that text editors are called "notepad software". But this claim fails verification by a source. I tried Google. Codename Lisa (talk) 06:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Notepad (disambiguation), where Notepad software can be unlisted (perhaps adding text editor in some form). This will leave, besides the primary topic and see also, the four versions of software that go by this name. Microsoft's simple text editor program is called "Notepad".—Godsy(TALKCONT) 07:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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- We have WP:PTM problem: Entries ("Notepad+", "Notepad++", "Notepad2" and "Notepad software") don't qualify for disambiguation of "Notepad". Also, per MOS:DAB, "text editor" can only appear if its lead section definite "Notepad" as an alternative title. That page is up for deletion. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Personal Computing Magazine, Volume 10, 1986, p. 134 [2]
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- "Notepad" can be a misleading term, since some notepads can write only short notes, while others function more like word processors ... Companies will shun the term "notepad" in favor of "text editor" if their product provides many word processing functions and commands.
- Seems sorta like an {{r from slang}} or something, which may be why the target doesn't mention it. Google does find a few possibly-reliable sources (e.g. [3]) which use the terms "notepad software" and "text editor" rather interchangeably. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- What you found is a lose metaphor, not a definition. In that sense, I've seen "notepad" used as "notetaking software", "word processor", "text editor", and "sticky note software". And none of these seem to be in widespread use. —Codename Lisa (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per Godsy. The disambiguation page already has as list of such software as well as redirects to text editor. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as is. "Notepad software", "notepad programs" or just "Notepad" is a reasonably common term for this kind of program. The solution here is to update the text editor article with this information, not to delete reasonable redirects.[4][5][6][7][8][9]--Cúchullain t/c 03:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Done.--Cúchullain t/c 03:53, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- As I mentioned on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Notepad (disambiguation), I've never heard of this kind of a generic term. I did a Google Books search for it, and it seemed to be immediately clear from the snippets that 10 out of the first 10 results were referring to the Microsoft Windows program, not a class of programs. I've had a look at all the links Cúchullain provided:
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- The first book refers to "Home Pc" and "Linux Machine", and while it does use the phrase once, it happens to also use the phrase "text editor" in the same paragraph, too. This is a really bad example of a source reliable enough to be used in an encyclopedia.
- The second book is better, but it also uses the phrase "user-definable database" in the same paragraph - apparently there's a propensity for such word formations there, so the source should be taken with a grain of salt.
- The third book is a false positive - it talks about MS Notepad, not a class of programs. It clearly calls the class text editors, as is customary.
- The fourth book is a false positive - it talks of something called "Finale Notepad" software.
- The fifth book is relevant, it actually uses the phrases "notepad utility" and "notepad programs", based on the talk of the programs called NPAD and PAD. So there's one proper source, but it's from 1987. Surely a computing term would have become more popular than this 30 years later.
- The sixth book is borderline - it actually says "even simple applications such as calculator and notepad programs are now bundled in Windows". It's possible that the author simply failed to capitalize the names of the two Windows programs he's specifically referred to.
- So if that's actually a representative sample of sources for this argument, then I'd say that these redirects don't describe reality and should be deleted. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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Universal Publishing and Distribution Corporation
- Universal Publishing and Distribution Corporation → Universal-Tandem Publishing (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It was not a corporation. It was a company. This is simply wrong (declined at CSD) Si Trew (talk) 05:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. The nomination sounds logical. Page view stats are lacking too. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 07:06, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The target article has "Universal Publishing and Distribution Corporation" as its one-time owner. As it seems like this is the only context in which the redirect seems notable, a redirect to the target makes sense. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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Mayu Tomita
- Mayu Tomita → Kodocha (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Incorrect target - character's name is "Tobita", not "Tomita". Tomita is written with different characters in Japanese. MSJapan (talk) 04:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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- So what would be the correct target? Just WP:BOLDly retarget it. (I vaguely know katakana and Hiragana so I can follow you if you do those but can't type them here). Hajimemashite Si Trew (talk) 10:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi MSJapan, you can create the new article if you think she is notable for Wikipedia but check WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E. You're probably referring to 1) a not-so-notable Japanese idol who was attacked recently (the event made international news) 2) an AKB48 member with the same name (who is not notable). 3) The Mayu in Kodocha is a minor/guest character and yes, her name is probably spelled with Tobita, however there may be English versions that go by that spelling off of Tomita instead of Tobita. This will need to be confirmed on Kodocha: Sana's Stage Engilsh manga and the Kodocha English Funimation dub. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- No, none of those individuals you mentioned is notable enough for an article per the policies you stated, so there's really no appropriate target. I looked for the spelling by searching for the surname in Japanese, and it is definitely Tobita. A cast list here for Kodocha also lists "Tobita" as the surname, so AFAICT, it's simply misspelled here. MSJapan (talk) 19:44, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi MSJapan, you can create the new article if you think she is notable for Wikipedia but check WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E. You're probably referring to 1) a not-so-notable Japanese idol who was attacked recently (the event made international news) 2) an AKB48 member with the same name (who is not notable). 3) The Mayu in Kodocha is a minor/guest character and yes, her name is probably spelled with Tobita, however there may be English versions that go by that spelling off of Tomita instead of Tobita. This will need to be confirmed on Kodocha: Sana's Stage Engilsh manga and the Kodocha English Funimation dub. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- So what would be the correct target? Just WP:BOLDly retarget it. (I vaguely know katakana and Hiragana so I can follow you if you do those but can't type them here). Hajimemashite Si Trew (talk) 10:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of former members of AKB48#Kenkyūsei. {{R from member}}, {{R to list entry}}, etc., as the only place on Wikipedia which actually discusses someone by this name. A person is not required to pass WP:N in order to have a redirect pointing to a list entry. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 05:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete to give search results to the reader. This is usually appropriate in cases where we have multiple non-notable topics and no notable topics sharing the same proper name. Deryck C. 23:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Per MSJapan's comment, they don't share the same proper name. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 03:46, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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Laxatively
- Laxatively → Laxative (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
So, umm, what exactly does laxative mean when used as an adverb? I'll try to use it in a sentence:
"The firefighter laxatively rescued the child from the well."
"After receiving labor induction medications, the child was born quite laxatively."
" The landlord evicted her tenants laxatively after learning that they were drug dealers."
Oiyarbepsy (talk) 13:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - I can only think of it being used as a euphemism, such as to describe the way in which some people drive. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletively - nonsense word. shoy (reactions) 17:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletively per abovely --Lenticel (talk) 00:36, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. It is used by academic works to refer to laxatives or laxative-like effects (see: [10], [11], First paragraph under introduction). Can't seem the harm of the redirect. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:51, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Lackers
Speedy declined. While these are all forms of the word lack (even if Neelix made some of them up), the target for these redirects isn't the word at all, but a disambiguation page that entirely lists people and places. None of these make sense to refer to a person or place named Lack. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all - if someone's actually going to try searching for these terms (doubtful) then search results are better. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:23, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deleteth - all of them as unhelpful. shoy (reactions) 17:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
7/11
- 7/11 → 2006 Mumbai train bombings (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think 7-Eleven (disambiguation) makes more sense as a target. SSTflyer 12:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Wouldn't it be better to delete this redirect and move 7-Eleven (disambiguation) to 7/11? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Wow, this is eery, I was considering nominating this last night after it once again annoyed me after I punched in 7/11 to get to the store and got the bombings. For what it's worth I think it should just point to 7-Eleven, but Stefan2's suggestion is also good. Nohomersryan (talk) 14:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to 7-Eleven (disambiguation) per nom. For the record, I oppose moving 7-Eleven (disambiguation) to 7/11. Steel1943 (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Reich Ministry of Economics
- Reich Ministry of Economics → Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
In Special:Diff/723132940, K.e.coffman (talk · contribs) blanked the redirect with the edit summary Redirect not useful, and the user later moved the redirect to the draft namespace. We don't blank inappropriate redirects or move them to another namespace, so I reverted these actions. However, if the allegation that the redirect isn't useful is correct, then the redirect should be retargeted[where?] or deleted. Stefan2 (talk) 10:40, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Generally, the word Reich means empire, but generally refers to Nazi office, as they put the word Reich on everything. Although, reich can refer to earlier German empire that came before World War 1. Perhaps a target at List of German economics ministers, which includes both German Empire and Nazi entries? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The modern office seems to claim direct lineage from all previous German ministries, so the redirect does make sense. Maybe retarget to Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy#history as the only relevant section? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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- The history section, pertaining to Reichswirtschaftsministerium contains only: "The historical predecessor of the current Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy was the Reichswirtschaftsamt (Reich Economic Office), founded in 1917. In 1919, this became the Reichswirtschaftsministerium (Reich Ministry of Economy), which existed until 1945." The de.wiki article option is superior in this regard (please see my comment below). K.e.coffman (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment The user who made this redirect also made Reich Ministry of Finance, Reich Foreign Ministry, Reich Interior Ministry, Reich Labour Ministry all redirect to their modern-day equivalents, which have varying degrees of information on their history under the Nazis, and should be discussed here as well. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: the reason that I made the edit that lead to this discussion was that I was trying to use the template {{illm|Reich Ministry of Economics|de|Reichswirtschaftsministerium}}, to direct the readers to Reichswirtschaftsministerium on the German wiki, and instead was getting a redirect to the subsequent, 1949+, agency on the English wiki. I think it would be more helpful to readers to see the de.wiki article (one can always use Google translate), vs the current solution. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- We don't redirect users to other language editions of Wikipedia. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- My suggestion is to delete the existing redirect (i.e. no article by this name), so that the inter-language template can be used as needed, and encourage editors to create an article. Same suggestion applies to the Reich Economics Ministry. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- We don't redirect users to other language editions of Wikipedia. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Teacheth
There is no good reason to redirect archaic word forms. This form hasn't been used in over 300 years. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:40, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deleteth thee. Not a likely search term and it directs to a common overlinked term. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 12:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletionlynesserismsch - no need for this archaic form. No hits in last 90 days. Probably no hits in last 90 years. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletingertudely - unhelpful. shoy (reactions) 17:35, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deleteth thou redirecteth wrongfully --Lenticel (talk) 00:40, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Purgatively
- Purgatively → Purge (disambiguation) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Originally targeted laxative. Speedy declined and retargeted to Purge disambiguation. This word does not mean purge, in any possible sense of the word. While purgative does mean laxative, this means that purgatively basically means laxatively, which makes no sense at all. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:35, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 12:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - not a synonym. Not synonymly? Synonimitation? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:30, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 15:52, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletatively - unhelpful. shoy (reactions) 17:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Intimating
- Intimating → Intimate (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Intimaters → Intimate (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Intimatings → Intimate (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Neelix speedies, all declined, as forms of intimate. All of these are verb forms. Intimate, as a verb, means to imply or state. Nothing at the disambiguation page has this meaning, so none of these are logical terms for any of them. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:30, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like I forgot intimaters and intimatings. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom - all exist as words, yes, but as parts of the verb - nothing relevant on target dab page. PamD 08:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 12:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletimate - I added the other two as well. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. Mannanan51 (talk) 05:01, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Sunderance
- Sunderance → Sunder (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Neelix speedy declined on the argument that it is a form of sunder. Maybe so. But it targets a disambiguation page, everything on the disambiguation page is a noun, with zero refering to the verb to sunder. So, nothing on the disambiguation page would ever be called sunderance. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- delete as Neelix DICTDEF part-of-speech thing. THere's no place to point this that make sense. Mangoe (talk) 12:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- delete. "Sunderance" appears to have been used as a technical term by Hegel, but there isn't a discussion of that anywhere on wikipedia [12] [13]. Uanfala (talk) 12:17, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletasion - an obscure term related to an archaic usage which we don't have anything close to an article about, and Wiktionary is not particularly helpful here. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Teachings
Would it make more sense for this to target knowledge? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Teachings are generally religious or philosophical, so perhaps School of thought? Abductive (reasoning) 03:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Education since Teaching redirects there. Otherwise, delete as vague and ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Know'st
Renominating after a previous discussion ended in keep (here) as it included a lot of sensible redirects. This nomination is limited only to obscure archaic words, which I doubt anyone will defend. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all as implausible search terms. Jschnur (talk) 03:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all - I can't see any of these redirects actually being helpful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deleteth all as unhelpful. shoy (reactions) 17:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
2005 Eureka Earthquake
- 2005 Eureka Earthquake → List of earthquakes in California (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no longer any related content on the target article. The list has really been refined over the last couple of years and we're no longer listing inconsequential events. Dawnseeker2000 02:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Typers
- Typers → Typing (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Typer → Typing (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ohhh.. (neelix) someone who types is not a typer but a typist. In the early days, as I think Bill Bryson notes in Made in America, they were called typewriters (the people as well as the machines) leading to numerous puns of course. Is this all right? I think it is nonsense Si Trew (talk) 10:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. "Typer" is a genuine and well-used variant, particularly in the context of software naming. ‑ Iridescent 14:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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- And if you look there you will find it is to sites asking whether typer is a word and find out that Merriam-Webster says it is not. Need a better link than a Google search. We can all do that. What we need is WP:RS that this is actually used. Yes, a redirect does not have to be RS, but otherwise what happens is it becomes a word because Neelix says it is and we end up with greenisholives. I know, I am a bit of a prescriptive grammarian when it comes to these things but Neelix has created stacks of nonsense words. A google search as a justification is just not good enough; for one thing, my search results may differ and probably do differ from yours. Si Trew (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Dabify for typing and the extremely obscure song on the album UnDeveloped, not because a dab page is actually a very good idea, but mainly so that we have an excuse to make a "See also" section with all the stuff that people are probably really looking for, e.g. {{wikt|typer}} to see whether typer is "really a word", {{in title|typer}} to see if their favourite old WP:PARTIALMATCH typing game has an article, Type R, and some page that discusses the H.P. Lovecraft character Alonzo Typer). I guess you could call that a "WP:COATRACK dab". 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- I also note with some surprise that typist redirects to audio typist rather than typing. Before that it redirected to data entry clerk. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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Grand Collar
- Grand Collar → Collar (order) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Multiple issues - term doesn't appear in target article, nor does it appear to be actually used as a term per either the article or per Google; "Grand Cross" seems to be much more common, so I can't imagine it being a valid search term. MSJapan (talk) 23:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Krikalev
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Last name only is an unlikely search term. MSJapan (talk) 23:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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Stephen hawley
- Stephen hawley → Steven Hawley (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Excessive redirect from misspelling. MSJapan (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as harmless. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Stephen/Steven is a very plausible error. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:17, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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- @Ivanvector: ...But is the lowercase "h" in "hawley"? (Just asking per your related concern somewhere else on this page.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Caps irrelevant in this case, presuming that this is a search aid. "hawley" and "Hawley" are the same as far as the search engine is concerned. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Mike mullane
- Mike mullane → Mike Mullane (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
We don't need "proper cap first name, incorrect cap last name" for every BLP article. MSJapan (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. No, but for the ones that exist, there isn't a reason to delete them as they're harmless. -- Tavix (talk) 23:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirects like this are perfectly fine and help thousand of people find articles every day. For example, over 25,000 people search for Barack obama every day. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep plausible misspelling --Lenticel (talk) 02:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - redirect allows linking from the erroneous capitalization, i.e. mike mullane should be a redlink but is not, and it does not improve search function (search is case insensitive). It is therefore harmful. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Bill pogue
- Bill pogue → William R. Pogue (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
We actually don't have this as "Bill Pogue" as a normal redirect, and none of the sources used even refer to him as "Bill Pogue." As a matter of interest, Google shows them all to go right back to William R. Pogue in all instances, so I don't think the usage is relevant. MSJapan (talk) 22:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. This helps direct readers to an article about a man who is commonly known as "Bill Pogue." The fact that the "p" in "Pogue" is not capitalized is immaterial. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as an {{R from miscapitalisation}} that's likely old enough to have accumulated incoming external links (WP:R#K4). Contra nominator, at least one source cited in the article itself calls him Bill, meaning we have verification that he used the diminutive Bill (as opposed to Will, Willy, Billy, etc.), unlike the case at, e.g., the recent Billy Bentinck discussion. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - commonly known as Bill. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:19, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Cute is what we aim for
- Cute is what we aim for → Cute Is What We Aim For (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It's not a useful search term - "cute is" by itself will cause the band to come top of search. The claim of "R from another method of capitalization" is actually inappropriate, because the title is a proper name. MSJapan (talk) 22:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. While that particular RCAT would be inappropriate, {{R from miscapitalisation}} would work. It's useful as a search aid and it's harmless. It's not out of the question for someone to search using sentence case. -- Tavix (talk) 23:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Nothing wrong with this. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:36, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - reasonable {{R from alternative capitalization}}.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 04:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
FORECASTER AVILA
- FORECASTER AVILA → Lixion Avila (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
All caps makes this an unlikely search term. MSJapan (talk) 22:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deleteper nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:45, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as vague. I don't think he's the only forecaster that happens to have that surname --Lenticel (talk) 00:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Complete works of Plato
- Complete works of Plato → Plato (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Socratic dialogue#Platonic dialogues. I consider this a no-brainer but others might not share this opinion, so it is better to list it here. The Traditionalist (talk) 12:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose: There are at least four categories of "Platonic" works that are not Socratic dialogues.
- Authentic Platonic dialogues which do not feature Socrates (e.g. Laws)
- Spurious Platonic dialogues which do not feature Socrates (Demodocus)
- Possibly spurious works which are not dialogues (Epistles)
- Spurious works which are not dialogues (Definitions and Epigrams)
Any meaningful "Complete works of Plato" should certainly contain the first category. It might also contain the other three categories, but I do not insist on it (I note though that the Works of Demosthenes, while in many respects a poor article, covers both possibly and certainly pseudo-Demosthenic works). Either way, I would be very surprised to be redirected to an article on Socratic dialogues if I were looking for all of Plato's works. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 15:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment A quick search shows a collection titled Complete Works edited by Cooper and Hutchinson, as well as other authors compiling collections of "complete works". I don't see a bibliography on the main Plato article though. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Agree. "Complete works of Plato" appears to be an abandoned page and appears to be redundant anyway because the targeted section does the same job but in a much more understandable format for the general reader. Also, whatever the original editors were trying to accomplish there are no wiki links (except for two) or references that I can see. This page is really not much help to the general reader. I think it benefits only those with a background in Plato and Socrates and Greek Philosophy. Therefore, I recommend, Keep Redirect to the recommended section - this is the best use of this page. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Caeciliusinhorto, Steve Quinn, it sounds like you know more about this than I do. Is the content at Plato#Dialogues broader than the Socratic dialogues? More to the point, does that section reasonably list Plato's complete works as we know them? If so, keeping the redirect and refining to that section sounds sensible. If we don't have his works listed all together anywhere on the encyclopedia, though, we should delete. A reader searching for this term is clearly looking for something more specific than Plato generally, and will know enough to search for just plain "Plato" if that would suffice. --BDD (talk) 16:37, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 22:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep or refine target to Plato#Dialogues. The term "Socratic dialogue" generally refers to either Plato's early dialogues or (less frequently) to dialogues in which Socrates appears. Some of Plato's works do not fall into either of these categories (the most notable of these is likely Laws), and the list of works at Socratic dialogue#Platonic dialogues therefore does not actually reflect the complete works of Plato. As far as I can tell, Plato#Dialogues lists all works attributed to Plato and also explains the spurious writings and other challenges to the authenticity of various works, so we may want to refine the target as BDD suggested above. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Sliding doors
- Sliding doors → Sliding door (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Odd scenario here, so here's a discussion. Should this term refer to the plural of Sliding door or an alternative capitalization of Sliding Doors? This redirect gets about 15–20 views a day, whereas the film article Sliding Doors gets about 1000 views a day. So, most likely if a reader is looking up "sliding doors" with a lowercase "d", they are not trying to locate the film. But, then again, is there a WP:DIFFCAPS issue with the film article's title Sliding Doors? (There's a lot going on here, and it all seems to originate from the confusion presented by the nominated redirect.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. "What links here" shows the term being used for the plural and none for the film so the dab page would suffice. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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- @AngusWOOF: Bit of a disclaimer on what you just said, Sliding doors had one link that referred to Sliding Doors ... that I corrected before I targeted the nominated redirect to its current target. Also, there currently doesn't seem to be a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 02:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Three items, is that enough for the dab? Other PTMs can be added at the bottom including Sliding glass door and Sliding door operator AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Obama's asian trip
- Obama's asian trip → China–United States relations (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Obama has taken many trips to Asia. It can be argued that China is always at least a subtext on these trips, but the redirect is very misleading. And it's probably too vague to be useful. Foreign policy of Barack Obama#Asia and List of international presidential trips made by Barack Obama both contain descriptions of such trips, but no neat, single list. And none of these trips has enough prominence to merit treatment like Nixon's visit to China. BDD (talk) 16:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I agree that this is too vague to be useful. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Uselessly vague. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel (talk) 00:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Consulate-General of China in Houston
- Consulate-General of China in Houston → China–United States relations (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Consulate General of China in Houston → China–United States relations (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Consulate-General of the People's Republic of China in Houston → China–United States relations (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not discussed in the body of the target article, though there's an External link to its official website. So any reader searching for this is almost certainly looking for information we don't provide. We have standalone articles for Chinese consulate-generals in Auckland, Chennai, and, probably most relevant to this discussion, Los Angeles. So there's a strong WP:REDLINK case here as well. --BDD (talk) 16:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNeSs
- StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNeSs → Star Trek Into Darkness (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 January 25 § ~*~ StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNeSs ~*~ – no consensus to delete
Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016 May 23#~*~ StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNeSs ~*~ was just closed as delete. The rationale for both of these should be the same, but I thought I'd bring it here just in case, since it's not as "bad" as the other one. For the record, I am neutral. -- Tavix (talk) 16:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Inconsequential - unlikely to be used as a wikilink without being swiftly corrected, and its existence does not affect the function of the search engine at all. Whether this exists or not does not matter one bit. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- DeLeTe. Is there any notable real-world use to back this up as a relevant alternative usage? I don't think so. bd2412 T 18:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per the arguments in the prior RFD discussion. It is also important to note that there is no explanation of this bizarre capitalization at the target article. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete unnecessary and non-notable stylization AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete someone who types in this exact bizarre capitalisation already knows how to get to the movie article, and probably is looking for something else. We should assume that searchers are looking for encyclopedic information as opposed to general shits & giggles, and we have no encyclopedic information in mainspace on the topics referred to by this string of letters (either the capitalisation controversy itself, or the XKCD comic which satirised it). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - NO. JUST NO. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - useless redirect (or should that be "UsElEsS ReDiReCt"), the spreading of which elsewhere we do not want to encourage. MSJapan (talk) 03:29, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
OBAMA'S VISIT TO CHINA
- OBAMA'S VISIT TO CHINA → China–United States relations (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete per WP:RCAPS as there is no reasonable connection between this capitalization and the subject. -- Tavix (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:37, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 03:47, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Also, we don't have the correctly-capitalised Obama's visit to China (and even if we did we'd have an WP:XY problem due to multiple targets: List of international presidential trips made by Barack Obama, China–United States relations, etc.). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 03:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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- But we do have 2009 Barack Obama visit to China and 2009 Obama visit to China. -- Tavix (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Spring and winter holidays
- Spring and winter holidays → Leisure (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The current target isn't helpful because it doesn't discuss spring nor winter holidays. As far as discussions of these holidays, there's somewhat of an WP:XY problem as these holidays aren't discussed together outside of the too-broad holidays or the shell-list at List of holidays by country. Since this gets no usage (2 hits in the last 90 days), I think it's safe to delete it. -- Tavix (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- delete The only possible target for this is some list of holidays by date, and even that is weak. Mangoe (talk) 16:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete given that spring in one hemisphere is fall in the other, and summer in one is winter in the other, this would cover all four seasons in some manner. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - I can't see how this could actually be helpful rather than just being confusing due to the WP:XY issue. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:29, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Black Stone (shrine)
- Black Stone (shrine) → Lapis Niger (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Now hmm I would think this would refer to I don't know what WP's spelling would be the Kaaba in Mecca. I wouldn't have thought it would be this. Neelix. Comments please. Si Trew (talk) 20:51, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Actually as it happened those did go to where I expected but it was chancy considering there is Mecca Bingo and all that which is probably blashphemous. Actually I don't think anything in the Qu'ran or Bible says Thou shalt not gamble. Not covet certainly but nothing says you can't have a little flutter on the gee-gees. XIth commandment I imagine. I am going straight to Hell I imagine. Si Trew (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Now actually I didn't do this on purpose but I just said (because I kinda came up trumps with those two links without testing them) "it was chancy"). Below we have "#chanced" which I have also listed, another Neelix. If I am using it that way, to mean "I took a gamble, it may not have paid off" then what would the one below mean? Of course we have all kinds of articles I hope on probability theory and so on but what would it mean? Si Trew (talk) 20:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Chancy by the way is a municipality in Switzerland. The plot thins. Si Trew (talk) 21:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Actually as it happened those did go to where I expected but it was chancy considering there is Mecca Bingo and all that which is probably blashphemous. Actually I don't think anything in the Qu'ran or Bible says Thou shalt not gamble. Not covet certainly but nothing says you can't have a little flutter on the gee-gees. XIth commandment I imagine. I am going straight to Hell I imagine. Si Trew (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: What do we actually want to do with this? Deryck C. 10:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 10:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Keep- nominator didn't suggest an action; keep by default. As it happens, Lapis Niger is a shrine whose native name translates to "black stone", so this redirect makes perfect sense; the two other targets pondered but not actually suggested by the nominator are a shrine called "the cube", and a city which is not a shrine. Everything below the nomination statement is off-topic to the redirect being discussed. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 12:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)- Perhaps better to be redirected to Black Stone (which as it happens is part of the Kaaba)? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- delete Possibly this could be disambiguated but I'm getting a lot of hits for the Kaaba, some considerably fewer hits for the Roman structure, and a bunch of hits for one or more strictures in India. The problem is that none of the targets except the Roman one are actually shrines of (a) black stone, but I don't think we need Neelix's literal translation redirects. Mangoe (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Ah I see. Based on this I think this is probably better pointed at Black Stone as a primary topic, or else retargeted to Black Stone (disambiguation). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- delete as rather superfluous with this parenthetical disambiguator. I think redirecting to Black Stone of the Kaaba might be problematic, as the word "shrine" doesn't feel right in this Islamic context (not sure if it's just me though). Uanfala (talk) 22:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - clearly not a value-adding redirect, and WP is not a dictionary or a translation service. MSJapan (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Triameter
(neelix) Triameter is all right, like hexameter, pentameter, tetrameter and so on but is this a valid alternative spelling? Not sure Si Trew (talk) 09:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep I guess. Google Books lists a few dozen works from reliable publishers using it with the trimeter poetry meaning. There's also some sources using it to refer to some concept in Riemannian geometry. I glanced at one of the relevant papers and my main take-away is, "hey, I know some of those words!" It is possible the mathematical meaning is discussed somewhere in Wikipedia under a different name; I wouldn't recognise it even if it walked up and hit me on the nose. In any case, I don't think the mathematical meaning knocks out trimeter from its WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT positions.210.6.254.106 (talk) 11:05, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I'll have a think. I only have O level in maths but I am not too bad at it. trigram would seem way out but I can see this being used in geometry certainly. The thing is then we have a kinda WP:XY don't we. I mean kinda poetry at least meter, rhyme schemes are themselves musical/mathematical in the sense that you could algebraically say for a Shakespearian sonnet aabbccddeeffgg and of course indeed you do, so there is an intimate connection with poetry and mathematics in that sense, but perhaps it is just WP:XY. I mean trigonometry would seem a long way off although it essentially means the same thing. Like in iambic pentameter there are two feet to a meter but I wouldn't go quoting that to a carpenter otherwise all your new window frames will fall out. They are kinda different worlds but the same. Dunno yet. (You know the old joke about the mathematician with constipation? He worked it out with a pencil.) Si Trew (talk) 13:37, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep - I think {{R from misspelling}} as a likely error. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Not in my Collins Concise but that was printed in 1986. dictionary.com which presumably is more up to date doesn't have it either and asks did you mean "trimeter". I have a Webster's somewhere but can't lay my hands on it right now. Fowler's Modern English Usage has neither, in in neither the first nor second editions. Neither is in Usage and Abusage either, so they're no help one way or the other here. My Hungarian translation dictionaries list neither, nor does my French Collins-Robert translation dictionaries so eveything is leading me down a cul de sac at the moment but I say WP:NEOLOGISM. Si Trew (talk) 23:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Godsy(TALKCONT) 05:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- comment "Triameter" does seem to be a rare synonym for "trimeter" in poetry, but there is also a "triameter" having to do with "metric polytopes", which is a math subject we don't have an article for. It is presumably very obscure given the small number of hits. Mangoe (talk) 17:08, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Trumpian
- Trumpian → Donald Trump (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While wikt:Trumpian exists, readers will find no information about this term at the current target, as it is not currently mentioned there. —Godsy(TALKCONT) 04:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The target neither explains the particular term nor even mentions it at all. Really, this should just be trashed. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as plausible neologism and as per nom --Lenticel (talk) 05:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Make Wikipedia Great Again. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Needs to have notability on its own like Clintonian AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Hilary with extended titles
- Hilary Rodham Clinton controversies → Hillary Clinton (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hillary Clinton (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] →
The name variant and extended topic phrasing of these titles makes them improbable to occur with this misspelling during searches which leads to implausibility. —Godsy(TALKCONT) 04:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - We don't have a specific article about criticism and controversies related to Clinton that discusses different ones in the same page. There's 'Hillary Clinton e-mail controversy', 'Hillary Clinton cattle futures controversy', et cetera but no general criticism page for her. I don't think that such a page would be a particularly good idea anyways. For the other redirect, it's just too clunky, and I question whether keeping it is helpful at all. I do want to note that if some better worded redirect such as 'Cultural depictions of Hillary Clinton' or something like that comes along, then we could just go to 'Hillary_Clinton#Cultural_and_political_image'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @CoffeeWithMarkets: I didn't make it clear before, but all that along with the misspelling of "Hillary" as "Hilary", is the reason I nominated these. I've amended above.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 07:07, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep we did have Hillary Rodham Clinton controversies and Cultural matters related to Hillary Rodham Clinton for some time. Neither redirect is new or harmful. Nothing to be gained and a little to loose by deleting them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 06:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC).
- Delete This would set a precedent for "Cultural matters related to (person)" of which only Hillary Clinton has a link for. As for controversies, the existing format of "(person) (type of contoversy) controversy" seems to work fine. It doesn't need a generic page of controversies unless there's a fully developed article listing them. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Longbladed
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Not a helpful redirect. Any blade could be long. This tells people nothing about long blades specifically. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:51, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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Head Writer
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This template is always a capitalization error. I've been chasing these down and fixing them. It would be better if editors would see it show up as a redlink. Dicklyon (talk) 03:14, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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Ogden Codman Jr, House
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Accidentally created. Dicklyon (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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The big ideas
- The big ideas → Parti (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think this redirect should be retargeted to Big Ideas. Parti pris is found at Big Idea. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Big Ideas - big idea and big ideas redirect to Big Idea and Big Ideas respectively. The big idea goes to Big Idea. An argument could be made to retarget the big idea (and possibly even the big ideas) to parti pris, where it is explicitly mentioned as a synonym, and hatnote with a variant of {{Redirect}} to the disambiguation page(s). The current target is definitely not preferable. —Godsy(TALKCONT) 07:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Big Ideas per Godsy. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment It's rather weird that it is being directed to a term that is about coming up with an overall singular big idea. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:00, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Domovoi (Quest for Glory)
- Domovoi (Quest for Glory) → Quest for Glory: Shadows of Darkness (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the article. It was originally mentioned in the cast section, but the cast section of the article has been removed. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Lily's
- Lily's → Lily's E.P. (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think this fails WP:PTM because wiki also has Lily's Driftwood Bay. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 04:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I was thinking of converting this to a dab but most of the targets are partial title matches --Lenticel (talk) 05:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Given how many entities are likely labeled "Lily's ___" or something like that, it's best to just let people search, I think. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep EPs can be referred to with or without the "EP" designation. Unusual to see one with periods, though. The
bayTV series is a partial-title match, but the EP isn't. --BDD (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC) - Delete per nom. The
song and theEP are titled with the "e.p." in there. Other bands and songs would just remove it if they didn't want the EP part. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Lilys as a {{R from modification}}. ({{R from incorrect punctuation}} redirects there.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Follow (song)
- Follow (song) → We Are Not Alone (Breaking Benjamin album) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This should be redirected to the disambiguation page Follow (disambiguation) because there are at least two songs with the name follow. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Follow (disambiguation) as per nom CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Omini
- Omini → United Bank (Pakistan) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Cannot find any evidence of "Omini" related to United Bank, though they do have a service called "Omni". Should be a redlink for the biological tribe Omini of tiger beetles. RA0808 talkcontribs 07:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete -- The Anome (talk) 10:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- delete - a few internal links from the article namespace, and they all refer to aforementioned biological tribe - Andre Engels (talk) 16:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect as typo to Omni. No news articles using this, except one where it was a typo for The Omni in Los Angeles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:45, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - 'Omini" appears to be a legitimate scientific term used often in reference to Tiger beetles. See: here. Biology is really not my field of expertise, particularly when it comes to the creeeeepy-crawwwwwling, creepy-creepy-crawly-crawlies. So, there's a likely helpful exact page subsection to retarget to, but I'm not sure. Can we ping someone from 'WikiProject Biology' or something like that for help? CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: it also seems to be Italian for "little man", a surname, a bunch of companies presumably named after people with that surname, and the name of an online store selling children's clothes. Whatever this should be, it shouldn't be a redirect. Perhaps a disambiguation page? -- The Anome (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Yes, that looks like a good option. I went ahead and created 'Omini (disambiguation)', but I'm still looking for more comments since I don't quite understand the biological terminology here and hope for people with expertise to chime in. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:19, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Pretty sure we'll delete the redirect as it is, but I'm relisting this so we can have more input to the newly created Omini (disambiguation) which will probably be moved to Omini.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 23:31, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Regular Grand Lodge of England
- Regular Grand Lodge of England → Freemasonry (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I am not sure if there was ever a Grand Lodge of England called "regular". Even then, I suppose that we should retarget it to the relevant article. The Traditionalist (talk) 01:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Let me check this one tomorrow. I am not a Freemason but have respect for them just as I have respect for all the pissy god botherers (joking). Because I am English I can check this probably better than you can. I am not even sure that there is a Grand Lodge what the Freemasons call essentially in the hierarchy, there is not even an occasional Grand Lodge of England let alone a regular one. So this is pretty much nonsense I think. Si Trew (talk) 01:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to the United Kingdom section of Regular Masonic jurisdiction (which explains the use of regular in this context) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget as
{{R to section}}
as above by shhhhnotsoloud. That makes much more sense. Si Trew (talk) 09:40, 10 May 2016 (UTC) - But what that section says is that we should, in fact, retarget it to United Grand Lodge of England...--The Traditionalist (talk) 10:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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- ...but that page doesn't make it clear why you've been redirected there (and I don't know enough about it to edit it!) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- The Regular Grand Lodge of England is a real organisation, with a membership of almost two, which has nonetheless managed to scam perhaps hundreds of men in several countries into forming lodges and even grand lodges under its auspices (for money, of course). Most of these don't last, some have cast aside their phantom mentor and are forming their own masonic organisations. The acrimony generated by this tiny organisation was for a time truly international. I suggest re-instating the article as a stub. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- ...but not notable enough for anyone to have written about it in Wikipedia. I stand by my suggestion to Retarget. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- The Regular Grand Lodge of England is a real organisation, with a membership of almost two, which has nonetheless managed to scam perhaps hundreds of men in several countries into forming lodges and even grand lodges under its auspices (for money, of course). Most of these don't last, some have cast aside their phantom mentor and are forming their own masonic organisations. The acrimony generated by this tiny organisation was for a time truly international. I suggest re-instating the article as a stub. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- ...but that page doesn't make it clear why you've been redirected there (and I don't know enough about it to edit it!) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete if there is no article at present. Fiddlersmouth is correct, but let me elaborate: RGLE was a schismatic Grand Lodge formed by a few folks who were expelled from the United Grand Lodge of England. Therefore, it was neither related to UGLE, nor would it be considered regular by the vast majority of Grand Lodges in the world. There is a page on it here, but it appears that if ever it actually existed outside of a website, it hasn't been heard from in over a decade. Therefore, it is not appropriate to redirect it to Freemasonry, it had nothing to do with UGLE, or Regular Masonic jurisdictions. However, this discussion illustrates that the exact problem with it was that it was claiming to be exactly what it was not, hence the confusion here. Any sourcing available is pretty much due to WP:RECENTISM. MSJapan (talk) 22:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Can we find the best target? Or agree to delete because there isn't a good target?
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D'Angers
- D'Angers → David d'Angers (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a tricky one. I am aware a title in Wikipedia has to start with a capital that is just technical. I am then wondering whether it makes sense because the surnames of people that start "d'" are usually lowercase (or for that matter "de" like "de Montfort"). I am not sure if we can on a redirect put {{lowercase title}}
and if it would make sense even if we did considering the search engine is case insensitive, but it is technically incorrect but probably harmless/useful? (Neelix redirect) More than happy to keep but I don't really know how to rcat this because technically it would be wrong to put {{R from surname}}
when it is not his surname. Si Trew (talk) 01:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. "d'Angers" simply means of/from Angers, so you see the name in things like Ducs d'Angers and Château d'Angers. There is one more person with the name, Charles-Prosper Ollivier d'Angers, which would make a dab/index viable. Also link to Angers and Dangers. -- Tavix (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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- The lowercase d is the fiddle really because that Wikipedia makes titles start uppercase. There is no doubt we should put it somwehere but I just don't know where. Perhaps we should delete it because as Ivanvector says beow a list of people with this surname are just going to be partial title matches. What do we have for an example for d'Arcy? Just throwing that out as kinda an example I have not checked yet. Si Trew (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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- That's a good example actually. It's a DAB but the entries have capitalised the D I think in all cases but the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE does not have it in lowercase even though the first entry is for Bois-d'Arcy (disambiguation).... I don't know what WP:MOS would say about this. It's not exactly WP:RFOREIGN I don't know how we would expect to, if I can put it this way, anglicise it. Si Trew (talk) It was just a random example off the top of my head so I imagine we have many others in a similar vein I just happened to strike the jackpot with this one. Si Trew (talk) 22:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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- The lowercase d is the fiddle really because that Wikipedia makes titles start uppercase. There is no doubt we should put it somwehere but I just don't know where. Perhaps we should delete it because as Ivanvector says beow a list of people with this surname are just going to be partial title matches. What do we have for an example for d'Arcy? Just throwing that out as kinda an example I have not checked yet. Si Trew (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - a dab would be one full of partial title matches, I think search results would be better. Side note: TIL it is possible to use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} on a redirect. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
- Disambig but with persons only, not the sports club or mansion. I don't consider it a partial title match to link from a last name to people who have the name. For what it's worth, there doesn't seem to be a real royal title called Duke of Angers. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Angers (disambiguation) the locales for Ducs and Chateau clearly point to places in Angers, France. It looks like it is closer to the Monfort example in use than the d'Arcy example. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - I think it probably would be best to just let people search, given the ambiguity. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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Medial section
- Medial section → Golden ratio (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(neelix redirect) Shouldn't this be better at Golden section. Stacks of kinda geometry ones to do. Si Trew (talk) 02:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- But Golden section is itself a redirect to Golden ratio. Uanfala (talk) 03:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Keepas it appears to be a synonym for Golden ratio, according to the OED. There does appear to be another use of this term, as revealed by a google scholar search, to refer to a middle section in technical drawings. I'm not sure if there's a suitable wikipedia article to link to. Even less sure if anyone is actually going to search for this term and expect to find it here. Uanfala (talk) 03:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Amongst my few talents I studied technical drawing for many years (and that's not my ear, mine had a pencil behind it). I am just not sure on this one. I usually use a technical A2 drawing board and do everything by hand just like I do at Wikipedia. I don't really sure on this one. Si Trew (talk) 03:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Most search results I see are medical topics, and refer to a cross-section thru certain parts of the body. Anatomical terms of location would provide some explanation of this usage. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:54, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Anatomical terms of location#Medial and lateral. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
- Well then, I guess it's best to turn into a dab page listing the golden section, technical and medical meanings. Uanfala (talk) 22:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
- Turn into dab page since there's multiple correct meanings. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Turn into dab page The golden ratio and anatomical targets are well justified by a search. The drafting sense seems restricted to patent drawings, but the GScholar search above shows the usage is real. --Mark viking (talk) 22:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
The best short films in the world
- The best short films in the world → Indy Mogul#The Best Short Films in the World (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Since the section referenced in this redirect no longer exists, and since this redirect no longer seems to target a subject with its name as a title, this redirect now seems like an unnecessary WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 22:01, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment from nominator. The only retargeting option I can see in the current article target that may work is Indy Mogul#Former staff since the subject in the redirect is mentioned there, but that may be a little bit obscure. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Since the Indy Mogul show is over and not coming back, I don't object to the deletion of this page. Mblumber (talk) 04:01, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Matthias Schwab
- Matthias Schwab → Johann Koehnken (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Deletion. The target article is about a 19th-century organ builder who was an apprentice of a Matthias Schwab. Searching Wikipedia for this name brings up eight results, referring to four different people: four results for a golfer, two for a gymnast, one for a sound designer, and just one – the target article – for the organ builder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phinumu (talk • contribs) 21:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- I checked on the German Wikipedia too. de:Matthias Schwab is an Austrian hockey player; "Matthias Schwabe" redirects to de:Karl Epting, a Nazi writer who used the Schwabe pseudonym. --BDD (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - no discernible target. MSJapan (talk) 03:09, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Soyuz-st
Unused redirect. Correct spelling Soyuz-ST has some usage. — JFG talk 10:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Keepas{{R from other spelling}}
. No harm in it. Considering that English speakers may not be familiar with Russian, and this does not block anything, I cannot see it doing any harm. WP:RFD#K5. Si Trew (talk) 14:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)- Comment Sure, keeping it does no harm, but the point of this nomination is that we already have Soyuz-st, Soyuz-ST and Soyuz ST pointing to the same Soyuz-2 article, so the misspelling is already taken care of and it will do no harm removing the lowercase version, which happens to be orphaned -- just tidying up a little. — JFG talk 16:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Yep I see your point. Since I have been trogging through god knows how many redirects that have odd punctuation and stuff I am hardly entitled to put me foot down on this one (struck my keep). if this inhibits people from finding where they want to go it should be deleted if it helps it should stay, it is very much borderline User:JFG don't you think? Si Trew (talk) 17:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep as an {{R from alternative capitalization}}, one of the purposes of redirects. -- Tavix (talk) 18:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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The Masonic
- The Masonic → Detroit Masonic Temple (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. Apparently someone had targeted this as a redirect for Nob Hill Masonic Center at one point, but it originally served as a redirect to Detroit Masonic Temple. However, it's too vague. "The Masonic" what? Building, Center, ritual, etc.? We don't know, and therefore it's not a helpful redirect. There are probably hundreds of potential targets. MSJapan (talk) 21:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and redirect back to The Detroit Masonic Temple. It's the common name for the Detroit Masonic Temple on local maps, and advertisements, serves as the brand for the public face of the Detroit Masonic Temple seen in its URL http://www.themasonic.com/. PeRshGo (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Masonic buildings in the United States. The Nob Hill Masonic Center is commonly known as The Masonic. [14] But there may be other Masonic buildings with the title. Might want to create notable The Masonic buildings by location then like The Masonic (Detroit), The Masonic (San Francisco). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Masonic buildings, not the US-specific list. Globalize, man! Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:08, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Is it worth going through the entire list and see which of these are common named The Masonic? Then this can be DAB'ed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Not really, as it seems to be too contextually sensitive. I'm familiar with the Detroit Masonic Temple as a concert venue, and it is never called "The Masonic" on ad flyers, for example. I think the issue is that it's closer to saying "the pub"; if you know what it is, it makes sense, but is unclear otherwise. MSJapan (talk) 03:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Is it worth going through the entire list and see which of these are common named The Masonic? Then this can be DAB'ed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Too broad, too vague.--The Traditionalist (talk) 07:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per The Traditionalist - too broad and vague to redirect to a single building. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Servicer
Suffice it to say that if I had my way I would speedily del this, but I cannot tell his, a person who services is not a servicer, is this just Neelix (I'm not a good versifer) Si Trew (talk) 13:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to loan servicing and add
{{redirect}}
. At least according to Wiktionary [15], it is in the context of handling loans. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete irregular noun form uncommon use and certainly not redirect to loan servicing. A "servicer" is usually known as a "server" and it's a disservice to the English language to keep this as a redirect.--Tom (LT) (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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Allegoric
Is this all right. The usual word is allegorical but I can see this being kinda all right (neelix redirect). Probably OK Si Trew (talk) 02:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't appear in Webster.com's [16] Keeping this around would just encourage articles to have typos as the search would show allegory. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as obscure synonym at best per AngusWOOF's findings --Lenticel (talk) 01:58, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Maybe someone, somewhere, actually used this word seriously rather than just happening to make a typo. Even if that's the case, I still think the redirect should be flushed. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Educated people who use wikipedia may know the correct form but if an uneducated person tries to use it he may think that allegoric is the right thing to say. If you delete it's like you discriminate towards these people's uneducatedness which ic racist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.65.133.34 (talk) 16:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Excuse me, how would it be racist? It is rather racist to assume that uneducated people are from a particular race. I certainly never suggested that. I know people good friends of mine of various races (and yes I mean races not countries) who have never been to school but speak three or four different languages every day because they are essentially autodidacts. (bizarelly we do not have self educated we have to do it in Latin, Why is it racist? It's whether it's useful is what we have to decide. Si Trew (talk) 00:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep. Per wikt:allegoric, it's a synonym of allegorical. There are mainspace incoming links, which is evidence of it being used, so this is WP:R#K5 useful. -- Tavix (talk) 18:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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Asiavision Song Contest 2009, Asia-Pacific Song Contest 2009, Our Sound 2010, and Our Sound 2011
- Asiavision Song Contest 2009 → ABU Song Festivals (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Asia-Pacific Song Contest 2009 → ABU Song Festivals (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Our Sound 2010 → ABU Song Festivals (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Our Sound 2011 → ABU Song Festivals (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
All of these contests never took place, and the redirects are rather pointless as nobody is likely to be searching for an event which didn't happen. Wes Mouse ✒ 09:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Asiavision Song Contest 2009 and Asia-Pacific Song Contest 2009 as exact title matches for the event project that had a lot of effort behind it yet didn't go through. Delete the others. I don't think that trying to do something media-related and ending up failing makes the project inherently non-notable, nor something that people wouldn't be interested in. Look at the losers of various Strictly Come Dancing, Pop Idol, The X Factor, et cetera type programs as a great example; hell, even look at rejects from said programs unable to even get into the competitions that achieve large scale interest. Speaking of music, releases stuck in 'development hell' such as Chinese Democracy will get attention even though various promised events connected to them fail to happen. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:46, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete all - none of the events are even mentioned in the target article, so they are not helpful redirects. MSJapan (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Iron_Island
- Iron_Island → Pokémon Diamond and Pearl#Setting (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect serves no purpose, its one of many game locations. If someone were searching for it, they wouldn't end up at wikipedia anyways as a top search result. another point being, there are relatively nobody searching for game locations on wikipedia which is a rather broad encylopedia. Please delete this, its just clutter and its not going to help anyoneNerfmaster8 (talk) 19:01, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Not mentioned at target page and certainly without an underscore. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:05, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Comment the underscore is not an issue. Iron_Island and Iron Island are treated as exactly the same title by the Mediawiki software. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Revert to disambiguation from revision Special:Permalink/164180542 and add entries as necessary (e.g. nickname for East Lovejoy, Buffalo, discussed on that target). Iron Island (Ontario) in that old revision is mentioned at List of islands of Ontario#Lake Nipissing. Iron Island (film) was already linked back then. Add any Pokemon-related usage if someone can find a page discussing it. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Comment - that's not even relevant to the discussion, all you are doing is intentionally trying to get this off topic. Nerfmaster8 (talk) 19:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Nerfmaster8: all you are doing is intentionally trying to get this off topic that's entirely uncalled for, kindly WP:AGF. YOu may also wish to see WP:ONEBLUELINKDAB. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - that's not even relevant to the discussion, all you are doing is intentionally trying to get this off topic. Nerfmaster8 (talk) 19:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - Since we've got two notable real things referred to as "Iron Island" and the Game of Thrones area known as the "Iron Islands", I went ahead and created: 'Iron Island (disambiguation)'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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Obstructor
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Not sure. I have taken Obstructors to CSD as a neelix redirect that is getting in the way the target of that currently is Pilgrim Jäger. While technically this is a Neelix redirect, I can see sense in it going to the USS ship. But I can also see sense in it being deleted (and I think it quite ironic that the biggest obstructor of letting readers get where they want to go was the creator of this redirect). Si Trew (talk) 23:46, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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What Can We Expect to Find
- What Can We Expect to Find → Reaching for the Invisible God (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I dunno what we can expect to find but possibly not a book about Christianity Si Trew (talk) 20:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete this is a subtitle for the Reaching book, and not a more common name for the book. If the original title was subject to disambiguation then sure. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as above - only a subtitle, and a very generic term that doesn't deserve to direct to a single book. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as overwhelming primary topic using this exact phrase. [17] Deryck C. 11:12, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep per DeryckChan's reasoning. Most plausible search term is the target article. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - I question if this generically worded subtitle wouldn't be possibly confusing in comparison to other things, and it's also not as if the book is primarily known either for its full title. I don't think this is particularly helpful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
3 Questions No One Asks Aloud
- 3 Questions No One Asks Aloud → Disappointment with God (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) this is kinda just about all right. I have already speedily kept and rcatted some others but with the 3 at the front I am wondering about others. I can think of 3 other questions I am not asking aloud which is
- Why Did Neelix make these. (Because in good faith Neelix thought they would be useful redirects)
- Are they useful any more (not sure)
- Why can I never find a handkerchief when I need one? Si Trew (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Three Questions No One Asks Aloud is the subtitle of the book Disappointment with God. It is possible that a reader would want to know more about the book, but then only remember the subtitle. There are also other examples of subtitle redirects on Wikipedia (e.g. How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb redirects readers to Dr. Strangelove), and I don't think this is particularly harmful. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- It's the number at the front that is bothering me really. If it said Three Questions No One Asks Aloud that is fine. But the book title does not have the numeral. It is kinda wrong but probably harmless. Si Trew (talk) 19:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete The book isn't referred to by its subtitle as with the Dr. Strangelove example, and there aren't multiple books with that title. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep as the subtitle. Plausible search term if they are looking for the book. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Unlike the similar case above, this subtitle doesn't seem to be used often to refer to the book. Deryck C. 11:40, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - I question whether it's useful to have subtitle redirects such as these when they're not just inaccurate (it's, as pointed out, Three Questions No One Asks Aloud with no numbers in there) but also not particularly helpful. The contrast with something like Dr. Strangelove is telling since, in that case, the subtitle itself is uniquely notable as a part of the film's fame. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
43rd People's Choice Awards
- 43nd People's Choice Awards → People's Choice Awards (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 43rd People's Choice Awards → People's Choice Awards (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Move from AfD, original motive by CCamp2013:
— crh 23 (Talk) 10:00, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete and also delete the "43rd" redirect which I've added, both per WP:CRYSTAL. Readers won't find any information about next year's awards at the target article. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete 43nd obvious typo and unlikely search term. Put the 43rd in crystal for now until something can be written up about it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep 43rd as a reader would be able to get some information from the target page (e.g. the date that the event is usually run). WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply to redirects except in some commonsense, IAR cases, which this one, as the next scheduled iteration of an annual event, isn't. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:05, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep 43rd. Although the exact date and location has not yet been determined, from past trends this will likely be in about 8 months time. That means the whole debate will be moot soon when there will be enough information to create an article. Deryck C. 11:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDLINK until a proper article can be created. -- Tavix (talk) 20:56, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete both and we wait until the actual event is happening or whatever to write the appropriate article CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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Byword (saying)
- Byword (saying) → Proverb (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
What does this mean with the "(saying)" on the back. I am no byword where lexicographers foregather, neither is my name dropped in bibliographic circles. Does this mean anything with the (saying)" on the back? {{R from unecessary disambiguation}}
I guess but we really don't need it I think WP:NOTDIC. Weak Delete but not 100% sure. Si Trew (talk) 11:47, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- By the way Wikipedia stats are useless on this kind of thing they tell us nothing. Because someone clicked through it means it came up as an option in their browser. What you don't and can't know is what came up if this were absent. The stats actually are well above noise level, about ten a day, but considering that we have Byword as a DAB it is probably just clutter that the search engine offers first instead of the more simple way around. What you can't do from the stats is predict what people wanted to find. Si Trew (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB at Byword. Si Trew (talk) 11:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Why, so that you can click on it a second time? This doesn't need to be fixed. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- You missed on this one I think User:Ivanvector. It does not go to the DAB it goes to Proverb. Would it not be better to R it to the DAB at Byword? Si Trew (talk) 17:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- No. If you have a disambiguated wikilink in an article, and that wikilink takes you to a disambiguation which lists the identical meaning that you just clicked on, then you've had to click twice for no reason. Apple (fruit) doesn't go to Apple (disambiguation). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- We are both coming to the same conclu but I am doing left hand driving and you are doing right hand driving. I see where you are coming from, on the wrong side of the road, but it still seems to me that the most sensible thing is to take it to the DAB. If the problem is then at the DAB we can fix the DAB. We have to sort out the redirect first. (I am still using a left handed screwdriver to try to get my paint tin open, it is a lovely colour striped paint but I need to put the lid back on with a long weight) Si Trew (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- The redirect doesn't need sorting out. There is only one kind of saying listed at byword, it is entirely unnecessary to disambiguate from byword (saying) because we have only one article on a kind of saying known as a byword. The redirect byword (saying) is 100% unambiguous. The disambiguation page does not need to be fixed, because the redirect linked from it to this target is unambiguously correct. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I still think landing it at Proverb is a WP:SURPRISE. Land it at Byword as
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- I still think landing it at Proverb is a WP:SURPRISE. Land it at Byword as
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- The redirect doesn't need sorting out. There is only one kind of saying listed at byword, it is entirely unnecessary to disambiguate from byword (saying) because we have only one article on a kind of saying known as a byword. The redirect byword (saying) is 100% unambiguous. The disambiguation page does not need to be fixed, because the redirect linked from it to this target is unambiguously correct. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB at Byword. Si Trew (talk) 11:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment counts show byword (saying) at about 1% (10 hits) compared to Proverb which is about 1000 hits. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 06:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Maybe we just delete it then. It's probably only getting those hits because the Wikipedia addons and so on will bring it up and people hit it accidentally. Maybe it is just better off deleted. We must guess. We do not have stats for saying when someone lands on a page whether they want to be there (actually I would like to see a kinda feature to say how long someone stays on a page as that would help, but that's for the Wikimedia folks and is probably very hard to implement because HTTP doesn't work like that, that in itself would be a guess although the admen seem to be able to use it. Then, an adman writes the prose and cons, the opposite of what we do here). Si Trew (talk) 08:52, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep per myself. I didn't actually !vote, FWIW. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Antisigmapi
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I don't think you can do this. You wouldn't have antisgmapi like that. Not at target WP:RFD#D5 nonsense but it would be antisigmapata no would not but well this makes no sense you can'tmake any sense of it in greek because it is not greek it is the literal back translation from greek which is fine as it stands but you can't then go on whacking I presume a latin plural or attempt at (yeah all latin plurals end in i like I am both reginae sheabae) to this. I am pretty sure this is nonsense but neelix didn't just run things through a translate engine when creating them, so was maybe in the article once. One main reason I dislike this kind of translation is that it ends up on google translate (I am not saying this particular one) because it is at Wikipedia. It worse if it is cross linked to other wikipedia. Google translate works as a statistical translation engine which when I studied machine translation many years ago I did a study thesis on this but we did not have the computing power at the time. But if you have wrong translations you will nowadays get them everywhere. c'est pas mal, c'est pire, it is not bad, it is worse. Cleaning up bad translations actually makes a translator's work a lot harder Si Trew (talk) 11:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Ha. I thought this would go to a Criticism section of Sigma Pi (there isn't one). --BDD (talk) 13:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- As far as I remember, this unusually comprehensive article was researched and developed by a wikipedian trying to clean up the massive hoax mess left throughout all language versions of this article a few years back. Why would a troll pick on an obscure ancient letter and spend so much effort on it is beyond me. Nothing should remain of this past state, however. And as the current article says at some point, "A related term was used shortly after Scaliger by the French author Montfaucon, who called the sign "ἀντίσιγμα πῖ" (antisigma-pi), "because the Greeks regarded it as being composed of an inverted sigma, which is called ἀντίσιγμα, and from πῖ" ("Graeci putarunt ex inverso sigma, quod ἀντίσιγμα vocatur, et ex πῖ compositum esse").[43]" And that means keep. Uanfala (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I can quite imagine that User:Uanfala but the result of a lot of cleanups is a lot of detrirus, I don't need to add for your benefit that the Latin etymology there means "In Greece it is called the inverse S, which we call ἀντίσιγμα, and from that we get πῖ". So what we have is an English kinda etymology of a Latin etymology of a Greek phrase. That kinda double switch does not work so well, WP:NOTDIC. Si Trew (talk) 01:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I don't really see how Latin, or English, get into the etymological picture here. What we have is an alternative name, and there's a source for it. From my own(feeble) understanding of Latin, I'd go with the quoted translation above rather than your rendering. Uanfala (talk) 09:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Because exactly what you said User:Uanfala. I translate it one way and this etymology is not reliably sourced. What you have is it being unreliably probably Google Translated back from Greek through Latin to English. That makes about as much sense as my pig latin does. Si Trew (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'm really struggling to understand your reference to google translate. What we have here is a quote from an 18c. treatise on Greek epigraphy (written in Latin) that says "antisigma pi" is what the Greeks call it. And I don't see any etymology involved: just a mention of an alternative name. Uanfala (talk) 19:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Because exactly what you said User:Uanfala. I translate it one way and this etymology is not reliably sourced. What you have is it being unreliably probably Google Translated back from Greek through Latin to English. That makes about as much sense as my pig latin does. Si Trew (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I don't really see how Latin, or English, get into the etymological picture here. What we have is an alternative name, and there's a source for it. From my own(feeble) understanding of Latin, I'd go with the quoted translation above rather than your rendering. Uanfala (talk) 09:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I can quite imagine that User:Uanfala but the result of a lot of cleanups is a lot of detrirus, I don't need to add for your benefit that the Latin etymology there means "In Greece it is called the inverse S, which we call ἀντίσιγμα, and from that we get πῖ". So what we have is an English kinda etymology of a Latin etymology of a Greek phrase. That kinda double switch does not work so well, WP:NOTDIC. Si Trew (talk) 01:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Weak keep per "[a] related term was used shortly after Scaliger by the French author Montfaucon, who called the sign "ἀντίσιγμα πῖ" (antisigma-pi), "because the Greeks regarded it as being composed of an inverted sigma, which is called ἀντίσιγμα, and from πῖ" ("Graeci putarunt ex inverso sigma, quod ἀντίσιγμα vocatur, et ex πῖ compositum esse").[ref in article]". Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 04:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
San pi
This is too far away same target Sampi#Names. WP:NOTDIC and not a translation dictionary and since n (nu) and m (mu) are distinct in Greek I cannot see that this is anything but simply a mistake that has never been corrected. Neelix I think but Neelix only added translations ,when they were in the article (in my experience) so probably the article was corrected but the redirect not Si Trew (talk) 10:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Well it's quite a phenomenon (DOOO DOOO DE DOO DOO) sorry is that just a British thing from The Muppet Show the Mnaman'ahs. Who were I suppose essentially the backing group to Floyd the rock guitarist but any time in the UK someone says phenomenon if they are about my age and someone says phenomena you can guarantee the other will reply DOO DOO DE DOO DOO. 1976-1977 the great Jim Henson tried to have the show made in the States but nobody wanted to take it so he made it in Elstree Studios in England instead. Very determined chap. I can't believe Miss Piggy lived only twenty miles from where I grew up! Another person who brought more pleasure to more millions of people than I can ever do. I can only do it one at a time. I can do it well, one at a time, or even four at a time, but I would never be able to do that. I rescued a hedgehog this morning have a flower in my buttonhole every day and can bring pleasure to those around me in my "weird englishman" way but I would never be able to do that I would not know where to start. All you have to do is tip your hat at a lady of mature years and she has a smile on her face for a minute in the day somebody noticed I exist. But I couldn't do it to millions of people on the old bairdy. Si Trew (talk) 10:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- According to the article "Its current name, sampi, originally probably meant "san pi", i.e. "like a pi", and is also of medieval origin." so keep. Is this namespace indexed by search engines? I think you should try the bairdy experiment in an article. Uanfala (talk) 21:19, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I am not sure I should try that in an article. There is one thing with all the clever fellows and ladies at RfD being able to make those kind of inferences but in an article it would be simply wrong we must stick to RS there. I am also waiting to see if the web spiders pick it up from other namespaces. I bet you one week. Si Trew (talk) 02:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I guess the wonderful palaver here at RfD wasn't deemed worthy of mention at Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing, so we're in dark as to whether the spiders will crawl here. But judging from the things that are excluded (AfD, Talk pages etc.) I'd be surprised if this weren't included either. As for san pi it's discussed across several well referenced paragraphs at Sampi, I was just quoting from there. Uanfala (talk) 19:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I am not sure I should try that in an article. There is one thing with all the clever fellows and ladies at RfD being able to make those kind of inferences but in an article it would be simply wrong we must stick to RS there. I am also waiting to see if the web spiders pick it up from other namespaces. I bet you one week. Si Trew (talk) 02:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete per nominating rationale. I understand that this was once a term used to refer to Sampi, but I don't think we should be redirecting all possible etymological terms to said article, and "San pi" is a generic pinyin term that will probably have far more relevance to other articles here on WP. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as a historic name. Per the article: Its current name, sampi, originally probably meant "san pi", i.e. "like a pi". -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep per target: "Its current name, sampi, originally probably meant "san pi", i.e. "like a pi", and is also of medieval origin." Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 04:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Into You (song)
- Into You (song) → Into You (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think such a redirect creates more trouble than good. We have two topics named "Into You", both of them songs, and a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC exists. Which guideline is the most relevant here: WP:TWODABS, WP:XY, or WP:PDAB? SSTflyer 15:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC) Note: check the history of this redirect, because I retargeted it at one point. SSTflyer 15:56, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep We wouldn't want someone to come across Into You (Ariana Grande song), see Into You (song) as red, and move the article there considering it over-precise disambiguation. Yes, they should check the base title first, but they might not—I confess to making mistakes like this in the past. So as long as the other song is the primary topic, the status quo is correct. That said, even considering WP:TWODABS I don't think there should be a primary here. I would favor moving the target article to Into You (Fabolous song) and making the base title a disambiguation page. (There could be a See also, including, for example, I'm Into You.) This would probably be better settled at WP:RM, though. --BDD (talk) 18:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Fenerbahçe F.C.
- Fenerbahçe F.C. → Fenerbahçe S.K. (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Fenerbahçe S.K. (football). The Traditionalist (talk) 14:49, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. --BDD (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Implausible typo. If someone knows enough to be able to spell the Turkish ç on English WP, they're not going to mess up and call it an FC after the fact, considering that the first GHit for "fenerbahce" on Google is Fenerbahce SK for football. MSJapan (talk) 03:22, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Trinacria Linux
- Trinacria Linux → Ubuntu (operating system) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Non-notable minor distro, not valid {{R from another name}} - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete not mentioned and unlikely to ever be mentioned in the target article. SSTflyer 16:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Sealbrown
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This apparently is a likely search term, declined by User:Patar knight. So is greenisholives. What colour is sealbrown then? Si Trew (talk) 07:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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Blessed fault
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(Neelix) Declined by User:Patar knight, it is not really a reasonably translation. The most common translation of the sacrament (I am not a Christian) is "my fault, my fault, my most grievous fault". To translate this as "Blessed" is well can you show me where it is "just less used"? Felix kinda would usually mean lucky, not blessed (culpa means fault of course as in mea culpa or culpability). Si Trew (talk) 07:30, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- I wonder, did you bother to read the first line of the article?--The Traditionalist (talk) 14:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep fairly common translation (see: [18], [19], [20]). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
R. Wolf
- R. Wolf → Rudolf Wolf (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) this is a tricky one. It's at the DAB at R. Wolf (disambiguation) (first entry) and hatnoted thence from the article. However there are only three entries at the DAB so this is kinda "blocking" the others, or perhaps setting an example for them. We don't usually list people just with their initial do we? I mean if they do themselves, like we had e. e. cummings the other day or J. K. Rowling then fine but it is not our usual practice is it? Si Trew (talk) 00:16, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete and delete the dab page too, or PROD it or whatever. I see no evidence that "R. Wolf" refers to this individual as a primary topic, nor anyone else, and listing everyone on the dab page who might go by "R. Wolf" is redundant and silly. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 03:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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PS TNI
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Hi, User:GunturIrawanSub has been doing a lot of destructive edit in many articles, including changing the title of this page. I want to revert the page's title from Indonesian Army Football back to PS TNI. However, since the old title has been a redirect page, I can't revert it without deleting the redirect page. So, I would like to ask the administrator to delete the redirect page so that I can revert the page's title as before. Thank you. Sorry for my bad English. (I am not so fluent in English, btw). Tiktomoro (talk) 12:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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BeritaSatu Media Holdings
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Hi, User:GunturIrawanSub has been doing a lot of destructive edit in many articles, including changing the title of this page. I want to revert the page's title from Elovii back to BeritaSatu Media Holdings. However, since the old title has been a redirect page, I can't revert it without deleting the redirect page. So, I would like to ask the administrator to delete the redirect page so that I can revert the page's title as before. Thank you. Tiktomoro (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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Malthusian Blues
- Malthusian Blues → Sympathy for the Record Industry (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think this Neelix redirect should be redirected to the band's page Claw Hammer instead of the music label that released the single. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:58, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep - slightly preferring keeping as-is over deletion since the single is listed at the label's article, but there is no information about the single at all at the band's page. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Is it a notable single? Or is the label acting too much as a catalog? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:01, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Can't tell if it's notable, it doesn't appear to meet the standards for an article at least. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 04:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Is it a notable single? Or is the label acting too much as a catalog? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:01, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Salerno Bay
- Salerno Bay → USS Salerno Bay (CVE-110) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There actually is a Salerno bay in Port Salerno, Florida. Should that town be the target? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:40, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep - there's no information about the Salerno Bay in Port Salerno, as far as I can see. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gulf of Salerno per all the many Google Books hits calling it "Salerno Bay" (in particular see [21]) and hatnote for the ship. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gulf per IP. The current "what links here" shows articles where they are discussing other ships who arrived at Salerno, Italy and its bay there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:59, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Bluegreen
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(neelix) reverse the redirect? Microsoft Corporation lives at Microsoft. The only reason I guess this lives at Bluegreen Corporation is that this "blocks" it and someone wasn't WP:BOLD enough to move it over. There's another similar. Nothing wrong with the article of course (well not per se) Si Trew (talk) 22:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Breast absence
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Declined by User:RHaworth who has deleted quite a few of mine so I probably in my vain attempt at brevity made a cock up of the nom. A few similar have gone off the Anomie list similarly so I thought this would be a no-brainer, but fair call if there is any doubt. The absense of breasts is not a kinda medical condition. This is a back formation essentially from a medical term to what someone who has a breast obsession might think of someone who hasn't breasts. People who have had a double mastectomy don't have breasts but that doesn't mean they have amastia. Si Trew (talk) 22:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Armement Air-Sol Modulaire
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(Neelix) now this is where I start to doubt myself. This is exactly what it is called in the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE unless I am missing something. What am I missing? Si Trew (talk) 21:58, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Heteropurpura polymorpha
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(Neelix) Not sure. The pic cap has it with exactly these words but it is not in the article text or taxobox otherwise. Si Trew (talk) 21:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:You can see Hell from here
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I just made it back from WP:RFA, and I'm pleased to report that I was not able to see Hell from there, which was nice. This redirect is WP:R#D5, nonsense, and it looks like a strange attempt at humor. I believe that is is a bad idea to "officially" advertise that RFA is a "hellish" place, especially since many people are trying to improve the process (eg: WP:RFA2015). I could think of a couple of better targets if we choose to keep it in some form, WP:SNOW being the first thing that comes to my mind. Since it is virtually unused, however, my preference is to delete it. -- Tavix (talk) 19:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Al-Farsi
- Al-Farsi → Salman the Persian (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(neelix) I am pretty sure take this to Al-Fasi where Al-Fasi (disambiguation) Salman the Persian was not the only Persian called Farsi for fairly obvious reasons (because he was Farsi). I think this is kinda "blocking" my search, there may be other variants but the search engine kinda "blocks" my finding them while this is in the way (by eliminating what it believes are redundant results). Si Trew (talk) 14:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as he looks like the only one likely to be named just al-Farsi. I'd create a surname article listing the other few people who have that as a surname, and link to that from a hatnote. SimonTrew, al-Fasi is a different name. Uanfala (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Wattling
(Neelix) hmm would this be a reasonable misspelling for Watling (a DAB)? Si Trew (talk) 14:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY - an equally plausible error for two things. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- It's not WP:XY between two errors. It's the correct gerund of the verb "to wattle". Anything for which it could be a typo can be handled by hatnotes. Retarget to wattle (construction) and hatnote the target {{redirect-distinguish|Wattling|Watling}}. (I think the process of making any of the rest of the stuff on the wattle dab page can't be described as "wattling"; if the verb can indeed apply to wattle-and-daub, then this should just be plain old kept rather than retargeted). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 01:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- retarget to wattle (construction): Wattle-and-daub links back to that article as it's one component of the construction - see http://www.theroundhouse.org/resources/wattle&daub.htm to read all about it. PamD 09:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget as above. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Backcrest
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This has been bugging me (Neelix) and we also have neckcrest and back-crest and neck-crest and as you can imagine lots of other variants. Are these valid terms? I would think it was more likely a typo for backrest, neckrest (headrest) and so on, User:Plantdrew or User:Peter coxhead may know I could see in ornithology/anatomy a grebe for example could be described as having a backcrest but do they actually describe them that way? Those kind of things are not at the target, a DAB. A horse's mane is not really a backcrest because it's on its neck not its back (which yes technically is part of the spine, I know). My Collins Concise doesn't have it, dictionary.com doesn't have it. I don't have the OED to hand and only a pocket Collins Gem for identifying birds so I am a bit stumped on this one. Si Trew (talk) 12:20, 30 May 2016 (UTC).
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- There are loads of hypenated variants but I kinda need a sanity check as a test case before I take them all to CSD. Si Trew (talk) 12:24, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- I've seen some of them used in ornithological articles. FunkMonk (talk) 14:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Okie doke Speedily withdrawn by nominator as keep. Thanks to User:FunkMonk for the sanity check. Si Trew (talk) 14:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- I've seen some of them used in ornithological articles. FunkMonk (talk) 14:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- There are loads of hypenated variants but I kinda need a sanity check as a test case before I take them all to CSD. Si Trew (talk) 12:24, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Wait - The "backcrest" and "neckcrest" redirects go to different places, see backcrest and neckcrest. Is this sensible? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Sothos
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This one's on the edge (Neelix). We tend to have Germans, New Zealanders and so on but not every language you can form this way (I've taken some Lesotho ones to CSD), I am not sure if this makes sense. You could'nt have Irishes or Englands or Spains for example to mean the people from those places. Si Trew (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Sir Robert Catesby
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Hmmm this is probably all right. He certainly was knighted, eventually, but we don't tend to stand on titles at Wikipedia. Is this OK it probably is. (Forgot to say Neelix redirect) Si Trew (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- Title redirects seem to be fairly common (Sir Winston Churchill, Lady Thatcher, Sir Anthony Eden, Sir Alan Sugar, Baron Prescott...), so I'd allow it on those grounds. On the other hand, I'm not sure Catesby ever was knighted: our article doesn't say that he was, and nor does the Concise Dictionary of National Biography (which does list titles: a few entries above "Catesby, Robert" is "Catesby, Sir John"). Nor does the fuller online version of the ONDB mention it. So I'd suggest delete as incorrect title. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 09:13, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: The question here seems to be, is he actually "Sir" Robert Catesby?
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My Chambers Biographical Dictionary (ISBN 0-550-16040-X, ed. Magnus Magnusson, 1996 reprint) at p. 275 doesn't say that he was, either. Considering that he was "the chief instigator of the Gunpowder Plot and was "shot dead while resisting arrest" according to that, seems unlikely they'd give him a K, even posthumously. Delete as WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. When I said "he certainly was knighted" I was no doubt thinking of someone else (Sir Walter Raleigh or The Great Gatsby or someone, that's nonsense on my part). Now I should be taken out and shot for that howler. Si Trew (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Arrow cresting
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(Neelix) not sure. I've tagged a lot of variants (arrow-cresting machine and such) as keepers but this, without "machine" or just "crester" seems a bit too far to me, it would seem to kinda be the agent noun or art of arrow cresting but not the machine itself? Might be OK though Si Trew (talk) 11:40, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - [arrow[-]]cresting is a thing, but there's nothing about it at any of the related topics, like arrow or bow and arrow, so if someone is looking for information on it, this target is where they'll find it. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Battle of the Bastards
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As with No One (Game of Thrones) below, this episode name is at best unsourced, at worst made up; it's not immediately clear which. Moved from speedy. —Cryptic 09:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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No One (Game of Thrones)
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As with Battle of the Bastards above, this episode name is at best unsourced, at worst made up; it's not immediately clear which. Moved from speedy. (For both of these, this revert of the target article is enlightening.) —Cryptic 09:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Holding.These were announced by Sky Germany and propagated through multiple news articles: [24] and [25]. They could be wrong after which they can be deleted. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Should not exist until the episode title is reliably sourced. Alex|The|Whovian? 22:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- No opinion per AngusWOOF. The target claims the episode will be broadcast on 12 June, and the title of the preceding episode was confirmed over a week ago, meaning we're very likely to get confirmation of the real title of this one while this RFD is ongoing. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 01:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete The likelihood of this actually being the title diminished after this week's episode, seems like someone just making up names based on storylines that were already in swing. Can be re-created if officially confirmed. Calibrador (talk) 08:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- True that. Here's the HBO link to confirm the title in English. Nothing yet as of this time stamp. Let's get it deleted and add it later when it is announced. [27] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:52, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Maryam, mother of Isa
- Maryam, mother of Isa → Mary, mother of Jesus (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Nothing links to it and I don't imagine anyone doing so in the future. MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) 07:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep or maybe retarget to Mary in Islam. Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. That is not a sufficient condition. Please do not use it as the only reason to delete a redirect. I fail to see how this meets any of the WP:R#DELETE criteria. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 07:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Title is in that context. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep (I'm the redirect's creator.) IMO it's "r from alternate name" and/or "r from foreign name". If Mary, mother of Jesus is the interreligious page on Mary (which it certainly is), the Arabic name (which is in most common use in Islam, but also in Arabic-speaking Christianity) should redirect there, not to Mary in Islam. Deus vult (aliquid)! Crusadestudent (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Maryam (mother of Isa)
- Maryam (mother of Isa) → Mary, mother of Jesus (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There seems to be no reason to have this redirect as nothing currently links to it and I don't see someone linking to it for any good reason. MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) 07:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I guess this is WP:RFOREIGN but I don't know what language it is. Gtrans just detects it as English I guess because of the "mother of". Either that or it is an extremely unlikely series of typos. (And it could well detect it as English exactly because we have this redirect as I believe Gtrans uses Wikipedia as part of its corpus, but that is purely a guess because it's a trade secret but I have often had kinda my exact own words as written at Wikipedia thrown back at me for the more obscure subjects). Delete. Si Trew (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Mary in Islam. A general Google search brings up this topic over the other names for Mary. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:56, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep (I'm the redirect's creator.) IMO it's "r from alternate name" and/or "r from foreign name". If Mary, mother of Jesus is the interreligious page on Mary (which it certainly is), the Arabic name (which is in most common use in Islam, but also in Arabic-speaking Christianity) should redirect there, not to Mary in Islam. Deus vult (aliquid)! Crusadestudent (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Also, per an IP user in the discussion for the redirect Mary, mother of Isa: "Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. That is not a sufficient condition. Please do not use it as the only reason to delete a redirect. I fail to see how this meets any of the WP:R#DELETE criteria."
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and speedily keep withdrawn by nominator. As I say, I language check for me did not come up with Arabic but I can see that it would be. My Arabic is very rusty, shucran for calling it. It's still rather WP:RFOREIGN but if it's at all useful it stays. Si Trew (talk) 12:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Nope, the expert calls it that it's a transliteration, mark as
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- I guess this is WP:RFOREIGN but I don't know what language it is. Gtrans just detects it as English I guess because of the "mother of". Either that or it is an extremely unlikely series of typos. (And it could well detect it as English exactly because we have this redirect as I believe Gtrans uses Wikipedia as part of its corpus, but that is purely a guess because it's a trade secret but I have often had kinda my exact own words as written at Wikipedia thrown back at me for the more obscure subjects). Delete. Si Trew (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Crooked Hillary
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Little Marco (discussion) and Lyin' Ted (discussion) were both deleted. I didn't express an opinion on those, and I don't plan to on this one. —Godsy(TALKCONT) 05:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Millerisms
- Millerisms → Joe Miller (actor) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) This is in the hatnote but I am not sure quite why is it OK? There are loads more absured like joemillerizes that I have taken straight to CSD Si Trew (talk) 00:17, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget to Miller (surname) This term is used in news articles for Johnny Miller, Reggie Miller, Frank Miller, Arthur Miller, and so forth. There is also a movement called Millerism but it doesn't have a bunch of quotes like how Millerisms is used now. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:46, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete not a a real word or notable enough to have its own redirect. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Millerette
- Millerette → Minneapolis Millerettes (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) is this all right as {{R from short name}}
{{R from singular}}
. I mean to take for example The Runettes can you kinda call one of them a millerette or does it apply only to the team as a whole? Si Trew (talk) 00:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I must have misspelled the Runettes there don't know the spelling, you know the Motown singers? Si Trew (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Wrong vowel. Also, wrong label. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- I must have misspelled the Runettes there don't know the spelling, you know the Motown singers? Si Trew (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - I don't believe that the baseball team as a whole ever labeled its specific players this way, and I feel like keeping the redirect invites confusion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Thanks. I meant "Motown" generically I admit rather than the specific label. I should have chosen an example I could actually spell I guess but all the other examples (say The Beatles or the Andrews Sisters) that spraing to mind at the time you can kinda do in singular. Si Trew (talk) 06:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment They do refer to singular, however, there are other uses such as Garrett Millerette milling tool used in 1920s. [28] and some places in France called La Millerette, AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Thioridazine. Mellerette is apparently the generic name for the drug, and I think this is a plausible misspelling of that generic name. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Shelf of Russia
- Shelf of Russia → Continental shelf of Russia (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) Not sure. Yes it is {{R from short name}}
but surely without the "Contintental" it doesn't really make much sense? I mean "Continental shelf" is a compound word you can't kinda just split it like that can you? I have taken others like Shelves of Russia (presumably some kind of Soviet bookshop?) straight to CSD. Si Trew (talk) 23:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - This just invites confusion. It's not like huge geological formations are the very first thing that come to mind when one reads the word "shelf". CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Oh there were plenty worse than this. A load on the Arctic shelves too, redirecting to the Continental Shelf of Russia. Now I am no expert on plate tectonics but since the frozen bit of the Arctic is, in a very broad sense, one massive iceberg or ice shelf it is a bit rich to take it to Russia when bits of it tends to bump into Canada, Greenland, Iceland etc too. It is not as if it is like the Antarctic as a solid landmass. It's essentially a vast ice cube. Total nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 11:55, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep - it basically refers to the thing it refers to in shorthand. I find it highly unlikely that someone is going to come here looking for information on a particular bookshelf or some such in Russia. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:28, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep per Ivanvector. I should also note that Russian shelf also directs readers to Continental shelf of Russia. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:39, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per rationale of CoffeeWithMarkets. Furniture? Geographical formations? Too ambiguous. Also not sure why this discussion was closed so soon? --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep doing a google search of the term while eliminating the words "continental" and "Arctic" shows that the results are only about the Russian continental shelf, and the phrase is used by sources in that sense (see: [29], [30], [31]). Surely no one is actually trying to look up furniture with this? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:44, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
May 29
Ring structures
- Ring structures → Heterocyclic compound (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) I am not sure on this one. There are plenty of other ring structures that are not heterocyclic but homocylic. I think. If you take a basic carbon ring well I don't know I can draw it for you but I don't know if all ring structures are heterocylic? If you take say a benzene ring fairly basic building block, not sure that is heterocylic because it has three double bonds and three single bonds. Need a chemistry expert on this one. (Neelix) Si Trew (talk) 20:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ring structure DAB plural. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Speedily redirect wer AngusWOOF, for some reason I didn't find that in a search (probably this was "blocking" it). Si Trew (talk) 06:47, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ring structure as plural form --Lenticel (talk) 00:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ring structure as per WP:TotallyObviousComeOnNow etc CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:47, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Atticist
An atticist lives in a loft or does he? I am not that soft to see that this would make sense, right, but it is not at the target quite. Someone practicising atticism would presumably be an atticist but it does not say that: Is this one OK? (Neelix) Si Trew (talk) 20:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, could also be someone from Attica, someone speaking Attic Greek, or practicing Atticism. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:16, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep It is rather useful. If someone writes [[atticist]] orator [[Dionysius of Halicarnassus]] believed that... and the redirect does not exist, it will result in a redlink. The existence of this redirect prevents that.--The Traditionalist (talk) 09:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - sensible alternate construction. A thingist is a practitioner of or adherent to thingism, that's standard English. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. This term is used in reliable sources to describe people or things associated with Atticism. See, e.g., this book. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Dorso ventral
- Dorso ventral → Dorsal consonant (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I am probably missing something here. We have dorsal in the infobox (like dorsal fin meaning at the back) so this I see makes sense as meaning a sound made at the back of the mouth, I am just not sure it does actually be used in linguistics to mean that. Probably fine but there are lots that are odd combinations WP:MADEUP. (Neelix) Si Trew (talk) 20:19, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Anatomical terms of location#Dorsal and ventral which is where dorsoventral points. This is an odd construction but probably harmless. The redirect is nonsense as is, the target he must have been looking for was the velar consonant but, well, it's just wrong. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Retarget away from phonetics. In anatomy, "dorsal" refers to be back and "ventral" to the belly. In phonetics however, a dorsal consonant is articulated with the back of the tongue (as opposed to the tip). "Ventral" doesn't make any sense here (tongues don't have bellies). Maybe retarget to where dorsoventral is pointing? Uanfala (talk) 14:28, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Wash against
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Neelix redirect, speedy declined. On the always-ludicrous "etymology" argument. Wash against doesn't really mean anything, and certainly not alluvium. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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Charles III of the United Kingdom
- Charles III of the United Kingdom → Charles, Prince of Wales (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- William V of the United Kingdom → Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Victoria I of Sweden → Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Frederick X of Denmark → Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Haakon VIII of Norway → Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:CRYSTAL. The Traditionalist (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- P.S. I nominate these five to start and will continue nominating (or not) following the consensus.--The Traditionalist (talk) 15:12, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete the lot. I am going from memory but Prince Charles I believe has expressed a wish when his mum pops her clogs to be called George on his ascendancy to the throne so he will be George VII of the United Kingdom asssuming that it is still the United Kingdom by then. Pure WP:CRYSTAL. Si Trew (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:54, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Pavlos II of Greece
- Pavlos II of Greece → Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Paul II of Greece → Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Notwithstanding the fact that the Monarchy has fallen in my part-fatherland, (sadly, if you ask me) the current pretender is, actually, his father, who is alive and has not abdicated. Apart from that, there is no redirect Pavlos I of Greece for his grand-father, a fact which makes the existence of the first one rather funny. The Traditionalist (talk) 14:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The man doesn't go by either of these names, nor do they seem to be applied by him by reliable sources, so these redirects seem to serve no purpose other than to confuse. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. More crystal stuff. There's nothing to say they won't change that particular name. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:55, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Kyewha-dong
- Kyewha-dong → Hyehwa-dong (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete as WP:R#D2 confusing and WP:XY. This title could be a misspelling of Hyehwa-dong or Gaehwa-dong (about which we have articles) or most likely Kyehwa-dong in North Hamgyong [33] about which we don't have an article yet. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 11:53, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No articles currently linked to this spelling version. There isn't a dab page to help either. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Climaxing
(neelix redirect) the target is a DAB at which my suggestion Climax (sexual) is listed. Isn't that really the primary meaning of the term and we can take it round the DAB. If someonw were searching for climaxing I doubt they would be looking for anything but this. Why they should be searching is another question where there are plenty of good Haynes Manuals out there to explain the basics Si Trew (talk) 12:49, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Climax (narrative) is a less likely but still probable target, so not a good idea to retarget. So keep or delete. Uanfala (talk) 21:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 08:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as a word form per WP:R#KEEP. Here the DAB page provides several probable options. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 08:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - "Climax" is more than sufficient here. –Davey2010Talk 15:39, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Life historian
- Life historian → Life history (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(neelix redirect as you guesse) would this not be a biographer current target is a DAB at which I don't think that is listed because deals with medical doctor's records and stuff Si Trew (talk) 12:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Life history (sociology) since that seems to be the primary topic but add hatnotes to biographer and the DAB page. Here is "life historian" used to refer to evolutionary/biological history [34], but most times it is used in the sociology interview sense [35]. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:14, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 08:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to 'Life history (sociology)' and the closing admin (or non-admin, whatever) can double-check that we have a hat-note to the disambiguation 'life history' page at the new target CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:20, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white
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Highly unlikely search phrase, editor probably doesn't understand what redirects are suitable. Doug Weller talk 06:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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The Masses (Thai newspaper)
- The Masses (Thai newspaper) → Mahachon (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Calling User:Lenticel. We have this and The Masses (Egyptian newspaper)... I can take the Egyptian one which I believe is nonsense can you take the Thai one. No problem with the target just the back translation. Is this nonsense or makes sense in English? I have no knowledge of Thai but you may make sense of it. Si Trew (talk) 15:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete the term มหาชน seems to mean a lot things like "mass of people", "people" and "public". I'm not sure if "Masses" is the only appropriate translation for the newspaper's name. --Lenticel (talk) 00:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Thanks. To be honest I would have thought a better translation would be like The People (newspaper) although as far as I can make out they were essentially Soviet propaganda sheets (and toilet paper could get very short in those days). I don't like these back translations as they tend to "stick" that Google Translate then thinks that is how to forward translate something. Then again I don't really like Google Translate because it piles a lot of its rubbish on our doorstep. Delete per Lenticel. Si Trew (talk) 01:40, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to new name The Masses is used as the translation for this paper by these academic works: [37], [38]. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Rhode Island General Treasurer
- Rhode Island General Treasurer → Rhode Island#Government (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Rhode Island Treasurer → Rhode Island#Government (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete per WP:REDLINK. There's no mention of this position at the target article. It has one mention, linking this phrase, at Government of Rhode Island. As a statewide elected official, the office is no doubt notable. --BDD (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. I am being deliberately obtuse first why would it not cover the Providence Plantations and second why would he (and it would be a he) be called that instead of a Paymaster General ? I am deliberately just throwing that in in case it helps anyone to work out whether this is really an official office or just WP:MADEUP (it probably is but that probably separates the men from the boys). Si Trew (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Do we have Rhode Island and Providence Platantations General Treasurer for example? Seems not. Si Trew (talk) 18:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Oh well Paymaster General seems to be only in the UK but I think we used to own it once upon a time. I have a nice cheque from Her Majesty's Paymaster General to the tune of ninepence for some overpaid income tax some years ago which had to be sent abroad at the cost of the stamp being more than the cost of the cheque. Those kinds of cheques don't normal people just pin them up on a noticeboard or something. Poor old HMRC loses probably quite a frac in lost fifty pence pieces with undemanded cheques and the cost of a ninepenny stamp (well 97p now or something) but if they did the other, took a penny of someone's taxes too much, then someone would complain and it would cost them far more to file and probably successfully defend the lawsuit. In my favour I returned when demanded by HMRC two pounds and sixpence explaining I had not the Sterling on me right at the moment the equivalent in Hungarian forint with a bit left over "for the noticeboard". The thousand forint somehow got converted to Sterling at HMRC's internal rate I guess, I do not imagine at a bureau de change but I was pleased to see it arrived successfully and maybe it made someone's day. I was out of pocket by about thirty four pence on that one but so far I am up by two quid and sixpence with them over the years. They then sent me a receipt for the two pounds and sixpence back to Hungary which cost three pounds fifty seven for them to post recorded delivery. Very reasonable people at HMRC. Si Trew (talk) 19:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete not a notable office to need its own page. Not like Rhode Island Governor which redirects to List of Governors of Rhode Island AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Government of Rhode Island, since there's where any relevant information is. A Google new search for "Rhode Island General Treasury" shows that this office does get some news coverage. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Gun-grabbers
- Gun-grabbers → Overview of gun laws by nation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Clearly irrelevant to the target, not used in reliable sources except on not-especially-reliable right-wing websites. Certainly doesn't belong in current state, but could be redirected elsewhere if there is another page that discusses this phrase in detail. I couldn't find any such page, so I think this redirect should be deleted. Everymorning (talk) 03:38, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Per WP:RNEUTRAL, "In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term". The term is discussed (very briefly) at gun rights ("They also attack gun control advocates, using epithets such as 'gun grabbers'") and at hoplophobia (explaining why the person who coined that term thought it was better than "gun grabbers"). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:10, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Addendum: I think this redirect meets WP:R#DELETE criteria 2 and 5, which provides, in my opinion, 2 policy-based reasons it should be deleted. Everymorning (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Yes, redirects don't have to be NPOV or even strictly accurate. That doesn't change the fact that this term is political extremist speak for "those to which support increased regulation of firearms", and I'm not sure of any specific article that would work as an actually helpful target. What's happening right now is somewhat akin to going 'Christians' -> 'Overview of religious traditions by country' in terms of misapplying a label for a sub-group of people over to a general page. We don't have an article for 'Gun control movements' as we do with 'Anti-abortion movements', otherwise the former would probably go into the ideologically-charged terminology that's bandied about and could make a retarget. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:11, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with the confusion. Someone grabbing a gun might be confused with someone who is pro-gun rights. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Alan Gottlieb, who apparently wrote a book called The Gun grabbers. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
May 28
Friday 4
- Friday 4 → Friday (disambiguation) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- FRIDAY 4 → Friday (disambiguation) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It's unclear what on the disambiguation page these redirects are supposed to refer to. Per the edit histories of these redirects, it seems that these were articles referring to a possible 4th film in the Friday film series, but not even that article has information about a fourth film. Steel1943 (talk) 17:25, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Without seeing the history it is completely unclear what the intention is. As you say, it seems from the history to be about a movie that may not even exist. it is hard to see how the redirect could possibly help anybody as there is nothing on the target article that matches the names there. If the movie was genuine, and this was its name, then a redirect to Friday (film series) would make more sense. Unless or until that is proven, lets delete them. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:07, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete History of both links shows one user trying to plant incoherent rumors about Friday 4 in 2010 actually being a thing which never turned out to be true. Nate • (chatter) 07:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. The only plausible target I could find was Native American Day, which is held on the fourth Friday every September in California, but I think that's too far of a stretch. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Series fourth film did not manifest. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:58, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - We can change this if/when the fourth Friday film gets out of development hell. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Cracking pattern (engineering)
- Cracking pattern (engineering) → Fractography (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Cracking pattern (painting) → Craquelure (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No no there's no doubt User:Patar knight that cracking pattern is a word. It's the disambiguation that makes it nonsense. We have a WP:TWODABS at Cracking pattern (but not Cracking Pattern) of which both entries are Neelix redirects. This needs unwinding somehow. Si Trew (talk) 08:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep both. Here is an academic source basically saying craquelé is a cracking pattern, and all other sources refer to cracks in painting in reference to craquelé (see: [39]). Same with fractography (see: [40], [41]). As for two-dabs situation, I don't think anyone of them is a primary topic, but per the page views, Craquelure gets 60 hits per day over the last 90 compared to Fractography's 46. Don't think that's enough to say one of them is primary. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:37, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series
- Musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series → The Legend of Zelda#Music (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Musical Instruments (Legend of Zelda) → The Legend of Zelda#Music (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Musical instruments (Legend of Zelda) → The Legend of Zelda#Music (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Musical instruments (The Legend of Zelda series) → The Legend of Zelda#Music (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects are so ambiguous that they are vague. The current section they target is about the history of the music of the series, not about "musical instruments". Steel1943 (talk) 19:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: Musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series is a {{R from merge}}. It seems that the redirect was formerly an article with information regarding the use of "musical instruments" as in-game items. At the present time, the article The Legend of Zelda does not contain that specific information (it may have been removed over the lifetime of the article.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: I guess I am not clear about the purpose of this nomination. Are you proposing these redirects be deleted? If so, why? At least one of these has some information in its history that should not be deleted for attribution reasons if it was merged, even if the information doesn't appear in the current version of the target article. You may also want to review WP:CHEAP. VQuakr (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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- @VQuakr: WP:CHEAP doesn't apply since these redirects seem erroneous. And I have already pointed out that one has history as an article: See my nomination statement. And WP:CWW only applies if the content in the page's history either, in one form or another, belongs in the page's target article (if a redirect) or already is somewhere (such as due to a merge). My argument is that the content in the redirect's history isn't anywhere and doesn't belong anywhere per WP:NOTWIKIA. So, the only other option I can see happening with this is "Restore Musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series, point all other nomimated redirects there, then nominate Musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series for WP:AFD." Steel1943 (talk) 13:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep the first, as {{R from merge}}, but change section redirect to The Legend of Zelda#Music and sound. I'd be more skeptical if this were "List of musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series". As such, that section does discuss instruments generally. And I suppose weak keep on the others, again changing the section. These look like functioning search terms to me. --BDD (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep the first because of the need for attribution, retarget all four per BDD. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Misoneism
"the hatred of change" isn't exclusive to Luddites. Not mentioned at the target. Similar to neophobia perhaps?—Godsy(TALKCONT) 06:43, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm not sure that there is a proper target for this that wouldn't be a WP:SURPRISE of some strong fashion. Seems best to just delete it. I wouldn't object to a soft retarget over to the Wiktionary page, though. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 18:58, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I wondered whether this term had any particular legs in terms of usage by reliable sources, but there seems to be some reasonable enough mentioning of the term in print. Even if I guess I'm still down for deleting this, going over to Wiktionary does seem to also make sense. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Neophobia and mention there. If these aren't synonyms, they're still quite close. --BDD (talk) 13:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Userbox/Unix
- Userbox/Unix → Template:Prefer Unix (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
userbox redirect in article namespace Wishva de Silva (talk) 05:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete cross-namespace redirect to internal content. Unix users should certainly be technically-competent enough to figure out Wikipedia namespaces without needing crutches like this to help them find things. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes#Cross-namespace.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 06:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - no need to keep this. - Ahunt (talk) 14:22, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Crack pattern
- Crack pattern → Cracking pattern (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) Rejected at CSD by User:Patar knight. What do you think it means then? Si Trew (talk) 02:56, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as {{R from short name}}.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 06:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Godsy. Plausible word form. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:29, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Craquele
- Craquele → Craquelure (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(neelix) Ouch. I've marked Craquelé as {{R from other language|fr}}
it is in the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE but considering that in English it has another name then without the accent not sure this makes sense. Si Trew (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep is used without diacritics to refer to this (see: [42], [43])---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Chemistries
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Contra (Swedish magazine)
- Contra (Swedish magazine) → Democratic Alliance (Sweden) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect's target doesn't seem to be the same subject as the subject of the redirect. Since the target article is unreferenced, there is no immediate proof that these subjects are the same. In fact, with the little information provided, the redirect should probably be deleted per WP:REDLINK. Steel1943 (talk) 23:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete OR Turn into article + Reverse redirect per this source [44], it seems like the Contra journal is probably the more important of the two and as the target article currently says, it carries on the spirit of the Democratic Alliance. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:27, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - My gut response is that both the magazine and the political group are notable enough for their own pages. Thus, we should follow WP:REDLINK. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Greenisms
- Greenisms → Environmentalism (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Declined at CSD by User:Patar knight. Just because it is in a book doesn't mean it makes sense. What in the plural? How many greenisms do you want? Si Trew (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Can't see any greenisms at the source listed by target by declining admin [[45]]. Perhaps my eyesight is bad. Cant even see a greenism let alone a greenisms. Si Trew (talk) 23:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Click the preview for pg. 51, the term is used. Books in my keep !vote below use the plural. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Can't see any greenisms at the source listed by target by declining admin [[45]]. Perhaps my eyesight is bad. Cant even see a greenism let alone a greenisms. Si Trew (talk) 23:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The plural seems to also be used, even if it's usually by critics of enviromentalism. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Right User:Patar knight. I noticed you are not commenting on the one immediately below. You just swipe my Neelix ones and I am stating to think and I should not think that it is just because you want every one kept. I doubt that is the case but it is starting to look like that from my angle. I am no doubt wrong but I do about a hundred a session, about three sessions a day, and I am bound to make mistakes. It just looks like when every time the rebound is from not any other CSD but from you that you are a kinda "keeper". I do actually keep a lot of Neelix redirects and rcat them so only send them to CSD when I am kinda 99% sure they are nonsense. Tell you what, let's switch roles. You start listing hundreds at RfD and I will start calling them. How does that suit you? Some admins should well look up the WP:G6 concession. Si Trew (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- No I do not want every single Neelix redirect kept; I've deleted several of the ones you've sent to CSD. The Neelix exception to CSD G6 includes redirects that "the reviewing admin reasonably believes...would not survive a full deletion discussion under the snowball clause" (i.e. the reviewing admin must believe that the RfD !vote would be overwhelming delete). Trust me, I have not rejected any G6 tag that I would !vote keep in an RfD discussion because the redirects in question fulfill one more of our purposes for redirects as established by our guideline or satisfy one or more of the reasons to keep redirects. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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- That is absolutely true User:Patar knight. Because it just happens that you have been batting a lot back I, would not say took personal offense but I must say in bad faith I thought you were just whacking them all back, yes you have deleted a lot too. Sorry for my bad faith there that is just entirely my fault as I whack through them. You do have to make the call and you're utterly right that if it is borderline it should come to RfD. I do only list at CSD the ones I am pretty 100% certain on, but a second check does no harm. Sorry it was not a personal attack just seemed, coincidence I guess, that every one I listed you were batting back. We do all have to do due diligence the "neelix concession" says basically you can take it straight to CSD rather than RfD. It does not say anything beyond that. Thanks for the second check, I acted in bad faith there. Si Trew (talk) 08:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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- No I do not want every single Neelix redirect kept; I've deleted several of the ones you've sent to CSD. The Neelix exception to CSD G6 includes redirects that "the reviewing admin reasonably believes...would not survive a full deletion discussion under the snowball clause" (i.e. the reviewing admin must believe that the RfD !vote would be overwhelming delete). Trust me, I have not rejected any G6 tag that I would !vote keep in an RfD discussion because the redirects in question fulfill one more of our purposes for redirects as established by our guideline or satisfy one or more of the reasons to keep redirects. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Right User:Patar knight. I noticed you are not commenting on the one immediately below. You just swipe my Neelix ones and I am stating to think and I should not think that it is just because you want every one kept. I doubt that is the case but it is starting to look like that from my angle. I am no doubt wrong but I do about a hundred a session, about three sessions a day, and I am bound to make mistakes. It just looks like when every time the rebound is from not any other CSD but from you that you are a kinda "keeper". I do actually keep a lot of Neelix redirects and rcat them so only send them to CSD when I am kinda 99% sure they are nonsense. Tell you what, let's switch roles. You start listing hundreds at RfD and I will start calling them. How does that suit you? Some admins should well look up the WP:G6 concession. Si Trew (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Deletionalismatutionomics - nonsense. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 07:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to Green (surname)It's a bit different from Greenism which is primary topic to the environment. The plural on news searches brings up a bunch of people with the last name of Green. Greenism can then be a See also at the bottom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:13, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Environmentalistically
- Environmentalistically → Environmentalism (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Right ladies and gentlemen I give you this. Make of it what you will (Neelix), I took it to csd but changed me mind, you deal with it. Si Trew (talk) 22:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Environmental social science, based on the uses of the word found through a Google Search ([46], [47]), it seems to relate more to a social science view than environmentalism at large. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- The second one has it in scare quotes. That leaves us one RS and we need at least two. Si Trew (talk) 23:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Environmental social science as its not just used by those two publications but others such as this one. This is, indeed, a awful bit of social science researchers masturbating with academic terms, using alienating jargon rather than just communicating reasonably, but the redirect itself remains helpful so long as its pointing in the right place. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Fine Retarget as Coffee With Markets said. I got a bit upset because it seemed every Neelix redirect I sent to CSD User:Patar knight was batting back, which makes it hardly worth doing the job. Si Trew (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Deletationisticalizationalisticisms. Nonsense. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 07:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete not a plausible search term, not used in news articles, and too vague in that could refer to enivronmentalism as much as the social science. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Just implausible search term. Jschnur (talk) 22:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deletistically per WP:NOTDIC. Just because it has been used in the past, doesn't mean we should have a redirect for it. We keep redirects for common word forms (WP:R#K6), but this isn't one of them. -- Tavix (talk) 23:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - it's not a word anyone would use. MSJapan (talk) 03:42, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Σημείωσις
Delete. Semiosis is not particularly Greek. The etymon is Greek, but the concept itself has no specific relation to Greece or anything Greek. Gorobay (talk) 14:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. I believe that an etymology is a strong enough affinity to a language per WP:RFOREIGN, as long as the etymology is presented in the article (as it is in this case). -- Tavix (talk) 17:04, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete As I've opined elsewhere, Greek is one of a few languages who has given so much to English, it makes sense to apply WP:FORRED strictly and ask whether the subject has a substantial connection to Greece. As the nominator notes, this doesn't. --BDD (talk) 13:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Sēmeíōsis The macron version is not used in any notable fashion. Not like résumé and resume. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:43, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- keep the first as
{{R from other language|grc{}}
, delete the second as a bit of a mix. Although a lot of English language comes from Greek in a roundabout fashion (usually via Latin) these ways of typing it are not going to be helpful to an English language speaker. It doesn't make much sense kinda to transliterate and then do the accents, otherwise we end up with boleny as I was arguing the other day, accents in Greek are not some kind of Christmas decoration that you can just put on top of something. Si Trew (talk) 22:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC) - Keep both Macron version is used [48], and WP:DIACRITICS notes that redirects may be with or without diacritics. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Yes they can be that does not mean it makes any sense to do so. I have been arguing this with the Hungarian ones, and it is the same with Greek ones, they are not some bit of tinsel that you drape across a letter at Christmas time they change the meaning of the word. Am I on my own arguing this? In Spanish for example the diacritics really just emphasise the pronunciation they do not change the meaning of the word, in French similar. In Ancient Greek or in Hungarian they do. To take them out is essentially to well talk bollox frankly. Si Trew (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- SimonTrew, what's wrong with the diacritics? ē is the standard transliteration for η, and so is ō for ω. If we keep the Greek-script version, we should keep the transliterated one too. Uanfala (talk) 00:14, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Oh User:Uanfala I can see that. I didn't express myself well (personally I'd delete both). The thing is although it's a fair transliteration Nobody is actually ever going to type it that way so it is just so much clutter. I know WP:CHEAP but these things then tend to clutter the search engine and make it harder for readers to find things. F'rexample it probably makes it harder to find semiotics. Si Trew (talk) 00:19, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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- SimonTrew, what's wrong with the diacritics? ē is the standard transliteration for η, and so is ō for ω. If we keep the Greek-script version, we should keep the transliterated one too. Uanfala (talk) 00:14, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Yes they can be that does not mean it makes any sense to do so. I have been arguing this with the Hungarian ones, and it is the same with Greek ones, they are not some bit of tinsel that you drape across a letter at Christmas time they change the meaning of the word. Am I on my own arguing this? In Spanish for example the diacritics really just emphasise the pronunciation they do not change the meaning of the word, in French similar. In Ancient Greek or in Hungarian they do. To take them out is essentially to well talk bollox frankly. Si Trew (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete both - why would people be searching in Greek on English Wikipedia, and why would they be introducing an odd spelling with non-English letters into a perfectly good English word? It's all a matter of plausibility, and just because something exists doesn't mean we redirect it. For example, we could have incoming Japanese language redirs for American actors, but we don't, because this is the wrong project for that. MSJapan (talk) 03:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
White washing
- White washing → Whitewash (disambiguation) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Do we have a better target for this? User:Patar knight has taken some speedily delete but declined others that is just fine that is how we get WP:CONSENSUS I don't take it personally. To me it would be more to do with washing powder and adverts for washes whiter and so on but is there a better target? Si Trew (talk) 22:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep at this target My line of reasoning for this is essentially that redirects that added the dash were implausible, while spaces are, and in this case that white washing as an verb can refer to more things than things like "white washer" which aren't commonly applied to other terms (though I don't know if those who use white wash even use the term). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Seems like it's useful for this to stay there. There isn't an article/redirect specific to washing white (clothes), but one could be added later. Similar to clothes washing or washing blue. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:56, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep seems to be a plausible variant for some of the dab entries --Lenticel (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Doing a bit of searching finds that even if its improper English (or, at least, I think it is), we still have a lot of people online wording things as "white washing investigation", "white washing efforts", etc in various commentaries. It's a helpful redirect, even if I don't much like it. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Schwarz Gelbe Allianz
- Schwarz Gelbe Allianz → Black-Yellow Alliance (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Now this one is on the cusp (Neelix). In German this has a hyphen in it, apparenly in English it does not. WP:MADEUP I think but tnot 100% sure. Si Trew (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Dropping hyphens is an entirely reasonable redirect especially for foreign translations. Adding non-existent hyphens is not as reasonable. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- It's plausible because how many English speakers really know when German uses hyphens or not? Ich spreche Deutsch, and the usual pattern is to cram is all together in a single compound word (Schwarzgelbeallianz). So, keep. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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U.S. Route 48 (1965)
- U.S. Route 48 (1965) → Interstate 68 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Declined at CSD. So why is this particularly 1965. The road only existed in 1965? User:Patar knight as the declining admin can you please explain why you think this is not a pile of nonsense? Si Trew (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Weakkeep The lede from the target article says "From 1965 until the freeway's construction was completed in 1991, it was designated as U.S. Route 48 (US 48)", so the target article was the U.S. Route 48 that was designated such in 1965. If the consensus is that this is too tenuous a link, I'm okay with that. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Right, so it is OK if I create U.S. Route 48 (1966), U.S. Route 48 (1967), U.S. Route 48 (1968) all the way through to U.S. Route 48 (1991)? That would be absurd. Si Trew (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Well no, the the route was designated as 48 in 1965. Then in 1991 it was redesignated as I-68, and in 2002 a new, largely unrelated US 48 was designated.This would be the road equivalent of Generic Title (date released) to differentiate between works with the same name but different release dates. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete: There have been three US 48s in history: U.S. Route 48 (1926), U.S. Route 48 (1969–1989), and U.S. Route 48. Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note that the 1969–1989 US 48 is the target of this redirect in question.1965 was when the highway was authorized and when construction began, and I'm not sure where the 1969 start date in the above redirect comes from, as the article indicates that the route initially opened in 1966. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:19, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: There have been three US 48s in history: U.S. Route 48 (1926), U.S. Route 48 (1969–1989), and U.S. Route 48. Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- I stil don't see the logic there. As it happens I think the first section of the British M1 (motorway) was opened in 1958 (the Preston Bypass) but we don't have M1 (1958). If it were an entirely different road I could see the use in the disambiguation but this is just frankly pointless, it's about as much use as a snake in an arse-kicking competition. Si Trew (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Well no, the the route was designated as 48 in 1965. Then in 1991 it was redesignated as I-68, and in 2002 a new, largely unrelated US 48 was designated.This would be the road equivalent of Generic Title (date released) to differentiate between works with the same name but different release dates. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Right, so it is OK if I create U.S. Route 48 (1966), U.S. Route 48 (1967), U.S. Route 48 (1968) all the way through to U.S. Route 48 (1991)? That would be absurd. Si Trew (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Issoufi
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Redirect from just a middle name. ~ RobTalk 04:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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Not sure why we have a redirect to French Wikipedia. Stefan2 (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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109-028
- 109-028 → de:BMW 028 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not sure why we have a redirect to German Wikipedia. Stefan2 (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SOFTRDR or retarget to List_of_aircraft_engines#BMW AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
109-507
- 109-507 → de:Walter HWK 109-507 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not sure why this points at German Wikipedia instead of our own article Walter HWK 109-507. Is the number unambiguous? Phone numbers and postal codes might be six digits in some countries. Stefan2 (talk) 16:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to Walter HWK 109-507. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:22, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Although I wouldn't object to a retarget really, I feel like the ambiguity of the numbers seems to make outright deletion the better option. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Centro Latinoamericano de Administración para el Desarrolho
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Not sure why we have a redirect to Spanish Wikipedia. Those who are looking for Spanish articles will probably look there by default instead. Stefan2 (talk) 16:22, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Pruned tree
- Pruned tree → Tree (descriptive set theory) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not sure why this is a soft redirect instead of a normal one. It should either be a disambiguation page (if the redirect isn't always valid) or a normal redirect. Stefan2 (talk) 16:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- I think it was so I could include the text giving the definition. At the time, I think, redirects to sections didn't work. I would be OK with retargeting to tree (descriptive set theory)#Terminal nodes; not a perfect solution but not important enough to worry about. --Trovatore (talk) 17:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Update: Checked the history. I wasn't the one who made it a soft redirect or wrote the definition text. Anyway, I don't think it's worth bothering about too much; anything you come up with is likely to be fine, but it would be nice if the search term gets you to the article in some way. --Trovatore (talk) 17:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Ohhh this is tricky. Tree pruning in computational theory is a bit of a sod to do things like make a balanced binary tree and so on. This might be a bit WP:XY I think. I mean I don't think it really means anything in a computational sense and of course that applies to descriptive set theory when applied practically. The question to ask is what would an unpruned tree be and then work from there. (Also, for that matter, what would be a prune tree but that would be a plum tree). I think it is rather XY. Si Trew (talk) 17:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- If "pruned tree" doesn't mean anything in CS and I think that is the case, outside of the extreme theoretical end of CS where it overlaps with math logic and might consider infinite trees, then I think it's reasonable to ignore CS for the purpose of this redirect. An "unpruned tree" would just be one with at least one leaf, I suppose, but I don't know why that would be a useful concept or likely search term. So I think this is not really XY; searches for other meanings are not impossible but that line of reasoning involves too much speculation about the mental processes of readers. --Trovatore (talk) 20:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Right I am calling this User:Trovatore. It is not a term used in computer science (and I have a degere in computer science and have spent my life working in computer science, I am not trying to push my weight around but sometimes I know something). Tree pruning from the CS sense yes you will find it in various ways of trimming or balancing binary trees and taking off the redundant leaf nodes and so on (I wonder, never occured to me why they didn't just call them buds, very unimaginative computer science people are), but I think this is is nonsense WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. You've made the call to say it makes no sense, I am making the second call as the expert to say it makes no sense. Thanks User:Trovatore. Si Trew (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- If "pruned tree" doesn't mean anything in CS and I think that is the case, outside of the extreme theoretical end of CS where it overlaps with math logic and might consider infinite trees, then I think it's reasonable to ignore CS for the purpose of this redirect. An "unpruned tree" would just be one with at least one leaf, I suppose, but I don't know why that would be a useful concept or likely search term. So I think this is not really XY; searches for other meanings are not impossible but that line of reasoning involves too much speculation about the mental processes of readers. --Trovatore (talk) 20:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect to Pruning (disambiguation). Could still be referring literally to trees or decision trees. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to tree (descriptive set theory)#Terminal nodes — just to make my !vote explicit. While there are other contexts in which one speaks of pruning trees, no evidence has been shown that the specific locution "pruned tree" has a term-of-art meaning in any other field. So the field where it does have one should take precedence over speculation about users thinking about pruning trees and entering "pruned tree" in the search box (that strikes me as unlikely in any case). --Trovatore (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I am not sure whether there's a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT by usage here. 48 of my first 50 Google Books hits are computer science books (the only exceptions: [49][50]), but nearly all the Google News results are for the topiary usage. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:14, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Triple metres
- Triple metres → Triple metre (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(neelix) Triple meters went and so, should this then stay or should it go? I ask you it in rhyme iambic am I being too pedamtic? Trimeter is what you'll find the poets call it if they mind and this one I am not averse to keep but makes my cod verse worse. Si Trew (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Strategic Air Command Group and Wing emblems gallery
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Not sure why we have a redirect to a gallery page on Commons. Stefan2 (talk) 11:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Songpadaero
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Not sure why we have a redirect to an article about a road on Korean Wikipedia. Stefan2 (talk) 11:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Yeongdongdaero
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Not sure why we have a redirect to an article about a road on Korean Wikipedia. Stefan2 (talk) 11:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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The following is a list of redirects to Glacier ice accumulation. All were created by Neelix. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Unnecessary redirects as Glacier buildup exists.
- Glacier build up → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Glacier build-up → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Implausible redirects
- Accumulations of glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Accumulated glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Builds up glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build up glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Accumulate glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Accumulated glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Accumulating glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Won't the redirects in this section be useful for linking to (without piping) from within article text? The rest look frivolous though. Uanfala (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Accumulating glacier ice. Will suffice. Especially in my G&T (don't bother me). The thing is that if we have kinda seventeen hundred redirects to the same target it makes articles inconsistent because articles are then edited and put in any redirect that comes to hand. This is the argument I made essentially at I forget now King of Hungary which we had seventeen redirects to many years ago, it makes the entire encyclopaeida inconsistent so someone looks at article X and sees a link and it goes to Y. They look at article Z and sees a link and it goes to Y. They are WP:SURPRISEd because they would think things with different names go to different places. I am no deletionist but there's a limit, you can't just make up any redirect that happens to suit you. As another editor has pointed out, the problem with some of them is they become feral and end up on online dictionaries (which should know better) so it would not surprise me in the least if Glacier build ups will be online at Merriam-Webster. Anyway surely a Glacier build-up is an igloo. Si Trew (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- (only) Unnecessary pluralisation.
- Glacier build ups → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Glacier build-ups → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Glacier buildups → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Accumulations of glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Accumulates glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Unnecessary as Glacier ice buildup exists (and possibly "Implausible pluralisation").
- Glacier ice build up → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Glacier ice build-up → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Glacier ice build ups → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Glacier ice buildups → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Unnecessary when there's Build up of glaciers (and possibly "Implausible pluralisation").
- Build ups of glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build-ups of glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Buildups of glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build-up of glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Buildup of glaciers → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Unnecessary as Buildup of glacier ice exists (and possibly "Implausible pluralisation").
- Build-up of glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Building up glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build up of glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build-ups of glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build ups of glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build-ups of glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Buildups of glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Build up glacier ice → Glacier ice accumulation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Delete. Typical implausible Neelix nonsense. Softlavender (talk) 11:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. I did about sixty of these yesterday because I think they are all skating on thin ice, these are kinda the remnants of them. Can go straight to WP:CSD I just didn't get around to doing them because due diligence is required. There was one I noted that "yeah, that well-known glacial buildup that was inhibited by RMS Titanic" or something like that, most of these are nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 14:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all they were created in 2011. How many of these have since gathered "what links here" from useful articles? None. Nuke 'em. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:01, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
List of British television programs
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(owww) There ae lots of these (Nelix). The thing is really there is no such thing as a British TV program because it is a programme. I understand we do the variant spelling but when specifically it has "British" in it doesn't it make it a bit nonsense? Si Trew (talk) 10:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Countdown (book)
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There are many books called "Countdown". Will need additional disambiguation if kept. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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The Harbinger (newspaper)
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Implausible search term. The whole section in the target article is unreferenced, too. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Extinction (peerage)
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Implausable search term/redirect Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- No, this has a specific sense which I am not sure is mentioned at the target. If a hereditary peer has no heirs then their title goes extinct they cannot pass it on to their sons (and yes, it is sons, daughters have no chance).
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- In section 4 Hereditary peer#Inheritance of titles. Keep and refine to section. Si Trew (talk) 11:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep and refine target per Si Trew. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 11:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Equilibrium (systems)
- Equilibrium (systems) → Homeostasis (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausable redirect. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - ambiguous disambiguator. Could equally refer to many of the topics listed at balance. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 11:32, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Comment. I think I did Equilibrium (balance) the other day that's still open. Si Trew (talk) 15:32, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- redirect to List of types of equilibrium ("R with possibilities"). This page gives a generic definition for systems, hence it is the best target for this disambiguator for now. Equilibrum is a generic property for the generic concept of "system". The article is badly missing and this page title is good. I stumbled upon the page now while tying to tie up a wide gap in wp's "web of knowlende", creating temporary redirects: transient process, transient system, steady state process, etc. - üser:Altenmann >t 02:30, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Doomsday Machine (destruction)
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Common sense shows that a "doomsday machine" will cause "destruction". Unnecessary disambiguation. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Practical joker (person)
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Unnecessary disambiguation Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Pegasus (rocking horse)
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Unmentioned in target article. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC) |
Rascal Scooters
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Unmentioned in target article. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Conundrum (song)
- Conundrum (song) → Bursting Out (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Common song name. Should either be disambiguated or deleted. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- How common? There are no songs listed at the conundrum disambiguation page. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Searching on Spotify for "Conundrum" brings up a few results, but I get it that if they don't have a page they don't matter. Should this get withdrawn or let it play out? Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- I don't have a Spotify account. Are any of the results you get by notable artists, or on albums listed here? May be good candidates for disambiguation, if so. The Jethro Tull song on a live album doesn't seem all that important, yet here's the redirect. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Searching on Spotify for "Conundrum" brings up a few results, but I get it that if they don't have a page they don't matter. Should this get withdrawn or let it play out? Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget to Conundrum. "Delete" really isn't an option since the current situation is a valid {{R from song}}. Steel1943 (talk) 00:58, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Royale (hair)
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Not mentioned in target article. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
When the Bough Breaks (The Serrated Edge)
- When the Bough Breaks (The Serrated Edge) → Mercedes Lackey (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned once in the target article. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I seem to recall we had an RfD for When the Bough Breaks about three months ago. User:Anarchyte you do not need to list these all at RfD if they are Neelix (as this one is), under the WP:G6 Neelix concession you can take them straight to WP:CSD. That don't mean you always "win" a few of mine tonight have "bounced" but it saves the bother of everyone listing them at RfD for obvious WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 22:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- You were probably thinking of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 29#When the bough breaks the cradle will fall. -- Tavix (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment It's listed at Mercedes_Lackey_bibliography#The_SERRAted_Edge. Is that good enough for a redirect? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:22, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Call to Arms (Lu Xun)
- Call to Arms (Lu Xun) → Lu Xun (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausable redirect. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The article mentions "A Call to Arms" as a political text of Lu Xun's so not necessarily an implausible search term. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment perfectly plausible link, given that Call to Arms is a disambiguation page. OTOH I'm not sure whether this should be a WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. Many of the stories in the collection are notable, but I'm not sure whether the collection itself is. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:34, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. It's an {{R with possibilities}} that points exactly to where I'd expect. Nahan / Call to Arms (wikisource:Translation:Call to Arms (Lu Xun)) is among the most well-known books in 20th century Chinese literature, partly due to its subtle but apt criticism of Chinese politics and culture in his time. Incidentally the story in the Preface of Call to Arms was extensively quoted in the political rhetoric of the Umbrella Revolution:
"Imagine a corrugated steel house is on fire and its residents are about to suffocate to death, but they're asleep and won't feel the pain of death. Now you start shouting and people wake up to the unmitigated agony of a violent death. What makes you think you're doing them a favour?"
"But even if only a few people wake up, you can't rule out the hope that they can break free."
Paradise (football)
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Implausable redirect Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Whisperers
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"The Whisperers" is not known as "Whisperers". Implausable redirect. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Endgame (anthology)
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The book "Endgame" itself is not an anthology. It's a member of one, but it is not one. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Crystallisations
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This gives me vexations, crystallisations, you can't to it thus, this is just a cuss. (Neelix) Declined at CSD by User:Patar knight. Si Trew (talk) 06:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible use for the British plural version of the target. WP:RPURPOSE says that redirects may be used for plurals and alternative spellings. Actually used in field (e.g. A Practical Approach for Using Solubility to Design Cooling Crystallisations) ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per reasoning by Patar knight. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- It's not the pluralization that gives me the heebie jeebies but that it is essentially an abstract noun and you can't go just whacking an s on the end of it. You don't have, for example, the crystallizations of granulated sugar even though it happens billions of times a day, it is the crystallization of such. Si Trew (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Crystalizations
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Declined at CSD by User:Patar knight. I think this is a bit too far missing the L and whacking an S at the back. Is it OK? Si Trew (talk) 05:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC) I don't know why I have the subst rfd2 below this perhaps Twinkle was playing up but am leaving it there in good faith. Si Trew (talk) 05:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Crystaline solids
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(Neelix) oh bugger. This is just on the cusp. The redirect Crystalline solids is all right but this is a kinda {{R from misspelling}}
. That would be fine I would have no problem with that but since it just goes to Crystal anyway is this a bit out of whack? I am taking it with a dose of salt. (Oh dear me, a dose of salt is crystalline solids. Who knew?) Si Trew (talk) 03:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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- I have already taken things like Crystalizationally straight to CSD under the WP:G6 concession. Si Trew (talk) 03:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Again this is a mispelling because crystalline has two Ls in it. We can mark it
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but considering that all it goes to is crystal (to which Crystalline solid also redirects) this is about as much use as a snake in an arse-kicking competition. Si Trew (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Again this is a mispelling because crystalline has two Ls in it. We can mark it
- I have already taken things like Crystalizationally straight to CSD under the WP:G6 concession. Si Trew (talk) 03:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as plausible misspelling. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
The Cruiser (politician)
- The Cruiser (politician) → Conor Cruise O'Brien (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) I am well aware of this politician have great deal of respect for him he helped in the "Troubles" to get the Anglo-Irish Agreement. I am just worried about the (politician) at the back. It is probably fine but do we need it? Si Trew (talk) 02:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
The Wrestlers (film)
- The Wrestlers (film) → Uttara (film) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) Now I believe we had a similar one here a few days ago. Why this goes where it goes I have absolutely no idea. (Neelix) but we kept the other ones but they were to a different target I will check just listing quickly. Si Trew (talk) 02:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The reason this redirects to Uttara is because (according to the article, anyway) the English title is The Wrestlers. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:11, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Green Thumb Theater
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(Neelix) oww. While I appreciate this is the way it is spelled in American English, this is the name of a particular theatre that is not spelled that way. Keep as
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Fidesz – Magyar Polgári Szövetség
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Delete. WP:RFOREIGN. Nobody in English is going to search for it this way. The only way I got here was because I looked up the Hungarian and copy pasted. Fidesz (roughly, faith) fine but nobody is going to search this way. What, with the hyphen and stuff? (eyes roll). It is marked as
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Shitpost
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Not mentioned at the target article or elsewhere. Not a topic exclusive to 4chan, though I'm sure it started there. BDD (talk) 01:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Pattern of cracking
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(neelix) I can see the logic to these, target is a WP:TWODABS, but are these harmful? Si Trew (talk) 00:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 00:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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