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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, you need not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. Put a request to Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. That is not a sufficient condition. Please do not use it as the only reason to delete a redirect.
- Redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted too, so it's not a necessary condition either. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at a "Search results 1–10 out of 378" result instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination has no discussion, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes. If you think a redirect should be targeted to a different article, discuss it on the talk page of the current target article or the proposed target article, or both. But with more difficult cases, this page can serve as a central discussion forum for tough debates about which page a redirect should target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain nontrivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or a redirect is created as a result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is quite possible that its deletion will break links in old, historical versions of some other articles—such an event is very difficult to envision and even detect.
Note that there could exist (for example), links to the URL "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorneygate" anywhere on the Internet. If so, then those links might not show up by checking for (clicking on) "WhatLinksHere for Attorneygate"—since those links might come from somewhere outside Wikipedia.
Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 may apply.) See also: § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting Apple to Orange. (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note "WP:" redirects are in the Wikipedia namespace, WP: being an alias for Wikipedia.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to itself or to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8, though you should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion, if recently created.
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then it needs to be deleted to make way for move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion. If not, take the article to Requested Moves.
- If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- You risk breaking incoming or internal links by deleting the redirect. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. stats.grok.se can also provide evidence of outside utility.
- The redirect is to a plural form or to a singular form, or to some other grammatical form.
- The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and deleting the redirect would prevent anonymous users from so expanding the redirect, and thereby make the encyclopedia harder to edit and reduce the pool of available editors. (Anonymous users cannot create new pages in the mainspace; they can only edit existing pages, including redirects, which they can expand). This criterion does not apply to redirects that are indefinitely semi-protected or more highly protected.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names. Perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is therefore not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
See also: Policy on which redirects can be deleted immediately.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
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Tag the redirect.
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List the entry on RfD.
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Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Contents
- 1 Before listing a redirect for discussion
- 2 The guiding principles of RfD
- 3 When should we delete a redirect?
- 4 Closing notes
- 5 How to list a redirect for discussion
- 6 Current list
- 6.1 July 19
- 6.2 July 18
- 6.3 July 17
- 6.4 July 16
- 6.5 July 15
- 6.6 July 14
- 6.7 July 13
- 6.8 July 12
- 6.8.1 Earth Magnetism
- 6.8.2 Redirects to Template:Pampanga Radio
- 6.8.3 Christian Warren
- 6.8.4 User:192.168.1.1
- 6.8.5 Vuil
- 6.8.6 Wikipedia:Alphabetical list of WikiProjects
- 6.8.7 Maasikkaay
- 6.8.8 Abbingdon Girls' School
- 6.8.9 Russavia
- 6.8.10 1984 (number)
- 6.8.11 "Captain Flint" (character
- 6.8.12 MDY redirects
- 6.8.13 Mainland Australia
- 6.8.14 Othello/Reversi(board game)
- 6.9 July 11
- 6.10 July 10
- 6.10.1 Summer ford
- 6.10.2 WPANATOMY-barnstar
- 6.10.3 Kew liste
- 6.10.4 VolleyballAt2016SummerOlympics
- 6.10.5 Victoria Louise-class armored cruiser
- 6.10.6 User contrib CentralAuth simple
- 6.10.7 University of Rhode Island presidents
- 6.10.8 Shameless tv show
- 6.10.9 4000 run / 200 wicket double
- 6.10.10 Lower limb muscles
- 6.10.11 List of universities in Montenegro
- 6.10.12 Lunalilo family tree
- 6.10.13 Indian states rankings
- 6.10.14 New York education institutions
- 6.10.15 2016 FIVB-Rexona Ades roster
- 6.10.16 Template:Template:University of Rhode Island presidents
- 6.10.17 Template:Template:1980–81 Big Ten ice hockey standings
- 6.10.18 1980–81 Big Ten ice hockey standings
- 6.10.19 Maroon 6
- 6.10.20 Sampoerna Hijau
- 6.10.21 The glitch pokemon missingno
- 6.10.22 21-1
- 6.10.23 Wikipedia:Number
- 6.10.24 Lisie Hospital, Ernakulam
- 6.10.25 Regions khanate
- 6.10.26 Fine arts movie
- 6.10.27 Obdurately
- 6.11 July 9
- 6.11.1 KTM Port Klang Line trial route
- 6.11.2 Lists of cheeses
- 6.11.3 Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy theories
- 6.11.4 Wnco.com
- 6.11.5 Blogsouthwest.com
- 6.11.6 Bloodless
- 6.11.7 Ditto (Pokèmon)
- 6.11.8 Liberation of Iraq
- 6.11.9 Wikipedia:CSC/ECE 517 Spring 2016/ Functional Tests for Questionnaire Controller
- 6.12 July 6
- 6.12.1 Wikipedia:BetaWiki
- 6.12.2 Wikipedia:BentonCompPAGE
- 6.12.3 Wikipedia:Bay Area Wikixalon
- 6.12.4 Teacher of philosophy
- 6.12.5 Wikipedia:MISS
- 6.12.6 Wikipedia:Television
- 6.12.7 Nάνα
- 6.12.8 Eπανάσταση (Mixed Latin/Greek letters)
- 6.12.9 Jeopardisers
- 6.12.10 Enkephalos
- 6.12.11 Assault weapons legislation
- 6.12.12 猫
- 6.12.13 N Kress
- 6.12.14 WEEKLY SHONEN JUMP
- 6.12.15 Young Money (group)
- 6.12.16 Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks,
- 6.12.17 Wikipedia:Attention Span and the Internet
- 6.12.18 Foreign language redirects to Wikipedia:Article Feedback Tool
- 6.12.19 Wikipedia:Articles about drugs
- 6.12.20 Heccccchluuug
- 6.12.21 Jimmy Two
Current list
July 19
Highway of Heroes
- Highway of Heroes → Ontario Highway 401 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Since the renaming of the section of the 401 between Toronto and Trenton to Highway of Heroes, three other highways have been designated with that name (one partial, and two entirely). Suggest a retarget to List of highways named Highway of Heroes. kelapstick(bainuu) 04:57, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and hatnote to the list. Overwhelming usage of the term in reliable sources is for the Ontario highway and the others get almost nothing except for routinte coverage of the name changes. Searching Google News for "Highway of Heroes" 111 (the number of the Nova Scotia highway) gets three hits, all of which refer to the Ontario highway. Searching GNews for "Highway of Heroes" "Route 2" (the New Brunswick highway) gets 1 hit, which refers to the Ontario highway. It's not a perfect indicator since both of those searches are missing the coverage of their renaming, but it clearly shows that the Ontario highway is the primary topic.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
July 18
Articles for deletion/Komala Pata
- Articles for deletion/Komala Pata → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Komala Pata (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unhelpful cross-namespace redirect. Redirects to the Wikipedia namespace are excluded from WP:CSD#R2. 24.205.8.104 (talk) 20:50, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Normally these sorts of redirects are because someone accidentally created or moved the page to the wrong namespace and the redirect is left from when it gets fixed. Those can be speedy deleted per WP:CSD#G6 (page created in the wrong namespace). However on this occasion the page was created correctly and then moved to article space - it wasn't vandalism (so it can't be speedily deleted under criterion G3) it was moved in good faith. So I'm left with just delete as I can't see how it meets any speedy criteria. It may start snowing though. Thryduulf (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Wycliffe Associates
- Wycliffe_Associates → Wycliffe_USA (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. Wycliffe Associates and Wycliffe Bible Translators USA are two separate organizations. It is misleading and inaccurate to direct Wycliffe Associates searches to the Wycliffe USA organization page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sro23 (talk • contribs)
- Delete. A redirect since 2005, it was blanked in April by an IP that geolocates to Wycliffe Bible Translators with the edit summary that Sro23 quotes above. An IP from the same range blanked again today. The statement in the April edit summary can be verified by Christianity Today (7 March), who writes
... Wycliffe Associates (WA)—a smaller and separate organization from Wycliffe USA (the American chapter of Wycliffe Bible Translators)—is leaving Wycliffe Global Alliance (WGA), a partnership of more than 100 Bible translation agencies around the globe.
- A plausible new target is not found among the few that mention Wycliffe Associates. Sam Sailor Talk! 21:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Oklahoma Sports Museum
- Oklahoma Sports Museum → Warren Spahn Award (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delte, since the redirect is quite misleading. RekishiEJ (talk) 17:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Fair point, but a better option than deleting would be to retarget the redirect to List of museums in Oklahoma. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per Muboshgu. It's also confusing that Warren Spahn Award mentions both Oklahoma Sports Museum (Territorial Capital Sports Museum in Guthrie, OK) [1], and Oklahoma Sports Hall of Fame (Jim Thorpe Museum & Oklahoma Sports Hall of Fame in Oklahoma City, OK) [2], when they are two different museums. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Create article. I might look into creating one towards the end of the week, but if I (or someone else) don't get around to it, I'll advocate for a redlink deletion. -- Tavix (talk) 20:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Final Fantasy loveless
- Final Fantasy loveless → Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:NOTWIKIA. I consider myself a Final Fantasy fan, but had to look up Loveless, a fictional literary work from one of the games. It's not covered anywhere on Wikipedia; it's too detailed a topic. BDD (talk) 14:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Our friends at Final Fantasy Wikia claim it's a major motivating factor for Genesis, the antagonist of the game that's the current target. If that's true, is it worth keeping and adding a sentence to the plot section? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:56, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I've added Loveless to the DAB page. It needs to be mentioned in the Crisis Core page if you want the redirect to stay around. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
NICSICSC
- NICSICSC → List of NCIS episodes (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible redirect. This was actually created as an article for the 14th season of "NCIS", well before the season has started, but contained some dubious sourcing for the only listed episode's title so it has been redirected. However, the redirect is implausible as it's just a random use of the letters C, I, N and S. AussieLegend (✉) 11:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete the only non-Wikipedia use I can find is as part of "NIC/NICSI/CSC" on a page called "Technical Problem Reporting Guidelines - lmk helpdesk" deep on the Government of India's website. Thryduulf (talk) 12:37, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete implausible typo / nonsense and housekeeping. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:06, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. Normally, redirecting something and then immediately nominating the redirect for RFD is bad practice, and usually results in the former content being restored. This is a weird situation though: even if we decide to restore the the information (probably so it could be AFD'd in the proper venue), it should be under a different title since this string of letters makes no sense. -- Tavix (talk) 20:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, I redirected the article thinking the first four letters were "NCIS" in that order, assuming that the title was some obscure acronym like "NCISNOLA" or "NCISLA". It was only after I redirected the page that I realised the letters were "NICS", and with that the redirect made no sense at all. I still don't understand why the article was created at that page. The creator originally created it at User:NCIS (season 14), which was a lot closer to the actual location where the page will eventually be. --AussieLegend (✉) 20:48, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Idealogue
- Idealogues → Theory (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These should obviously not point to different places, but I'm not sure which is best - or even if there is a good target at all? Both are originally Neelix redirects, but Idealogue was retargetted in 2008 by Adoniscik. Thryduulf (talk) 10:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Wouldn't object to deletion, but if we're not gonna do that thenretarget idealogues to ideology to match the correctly-spelled ideologue and ideologues (non-Neelix, created by two unrelated users). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 11:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)- Huh, Merriam-Webster claims it's a valid alternative spelling [3], as does wikt:idealogue (citing the 1913 edition of Webster's). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 11:23, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per the IP. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Exacerbate
- Exacerbate → Irritation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Exacerbates → Irritation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Exacerbating → Irritation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Exacerbated → Irritation (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These Neelix redirects are not pointed at the right place in my opinion. My first thought was to change the first to a soft redirect to Wiktionary and point the others at it, however I then discovered we have Exacerbation, which is itself essentially just a dicdef article, so I've come here seeking additional views on the best target. Thryduulf (talk) 10:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. If this isn't considered thorough enough, we can add a Wiktionary box. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:37, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- I'm the nominator and I'm not clear what you mean by "retarget per nom"! Could you please clarify if you mean reatarget to exacerbation or retarget to wiktionary (as a soft redirect). Thanks. Thryduulf (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Apologies. When I want to retarget to Wiktionary, I will always say "Soft Redirect to Wiktionary". ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- I'm the nominator and I'm not clear what you mean by "retarget per nom"! Could you please clarify if you mean reatarget to exacerbation or retarget to wiktionary (as a soft redirect). Thanks. Thryduulf (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Crooked Hillary
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Potential WP:BLP violation. Unless we create some article like List of nicknames given by Donald Trump, then I don't think we should have pages like this. FallingGravity (talk) 05:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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Womanizers
- Womanizers → Promiscuity (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Womanizes → Promiscuity (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Womanized → Promiscuity (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Womanisers → Promiscuity (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Womanising → Promiscuity (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Womanises → Promiscuity (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Womanised → Promiscuity (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No possible way this is the best target. Perhaps disambiguation is best? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Promiscuity#Male_promiscuity which is where womanizer retargets to. Seems like a suitable target. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:20, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Regarget to match Womanizer per Patar Knight. Thryduulf (talk) 08:40, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Petrou
- Petrou → Constantine P. Cavafy (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A redirect from middle name. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Create a surname set index, as there are several people who have this surname. -- Tavix (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Set-indexify {{surname}} drafted below the redirect. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:45, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
VolleyballAt2016SummerOlympics
- VolleyballAt2016SummerOlympics → Template:VolleyballAt2016SummerOlympics (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Volleyball at the 2016 Summer Olympics. Could see someone using this to get search results, and this would be what they are trying to find. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:CNSR. We shouldn't encourage creating the name of a template in the mainspace as a redirect there, nor should we generally send readers to the template namespace (however obscure searching in this particular manner would be). If this were targeted to Volleyball at the 2016 Summer Olympics, I would be at a strong delete per WP:RTYPO and WP:COSTLY (It would have no more affinity for a lack of spacing than any other normal title).—Godsy(TALKCONT) 20:38, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 00:45, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
July 17
Cavalcaded
- Cavalcading → Cavalcade (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Cavalcaded → Cavalcade (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
useless Neelix redirect DGG ( talk ) 22:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- I combined these two entries; I can't imagine why we'd want to keep one and delete the other, as they're so close that they ought to be handled together. Nyttend (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete cavalcaded unlikely link term used in the prose. Articles will almost always mention cavalcade as a noun and not as a verb. Some news articles mention cavalcading, but not the past tense. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC) updated 15:47, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Dangerous Women
- Dangerous Women → Dangerous Women (1991 TV series) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirecting the base title to a disambiguated title does not make sense. Propose retargeting to Dangerous Woman, currently a disambiguation page which covers the three topics named "Dangerous Women". SSTflyer 14:06, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Support. Base names shouldn't redirect to article titles, and there's no indication this one's the primary topic.Cúchullain t/c 14:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment @SSTflyer: Is there a reason you didn't do this WP:BOLDly? This seems obvious to me... -- Tavix (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- An RFD discussion may lead to another outcome, such as having a disambiguation page at Dangerous Women instead of a redirect to another disambiguation page. Also, since I started an RM at an article about a topic named "Dangerous Woman", retargeting this boldly may be seen as WP:INVOLVED editing. SSTflyer 02:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Border Security: America's Front Line
- Border Security: America's Front Line → Border Security: Canada's Front Line (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
deletion (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) This redirect would interfere with another page Draft:Border Security: America's Front Line. Wmulder (talk) 07:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- keep. When the draft is ready (it's currently awaiting review), it can just be moved over this redirect without the need for deletion. However, until then this does take people to a related show and it's getting a hundred or so hits a day. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Brilliant Idea
- Brilliant Idea → Tom Ogle (Inventor) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Highly implausible redirect left from page move Tazerdadog (talk) 08:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. The target didn't invent anything with this proper name, and there's no other Brilliant Idea worth a redirect at the moment either (we don't have any article about the film production company Brilliant Idea Group which is mentioned in a few articles). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 09:00, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Samsung Galaxy S8
- Samsung Galaxy S8 → Samsung Galaxy (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No information about supposed forthcoming device in article, misleading, - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:47, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Samsung Galaxy S series. There isn't anything there for S8 at present (but it's where it will most likely be first) and it is a logical search term given the existence of S5, S6 and S7, etc. and the users will find some information about the series as a whole which is better than a redlink in my view. Thryduulf (talk) 10:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Samsung Galaxy S series. This would inform the searcher that the series currently only goes to S7. The redirect would also inhibit speculative article creation that a red link, following deletion, is likely to encourage. Just Chilling (talk) 22:40, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Agree with the above - I would in fact retarget it right now if I wanted to be bold but I think I'll just wait to see if it's a unanimous decision. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Isben
- Isben → Henrik Ibsen (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This could also be a misspelling for Sharon Isbin and it's also the middle name of Leslie Isben Rogge. Without any obvious targets, this is better off as a redlink. -- Tavix (talk) 03:31, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep if either of the other two are referred to as "Isben" then they can be linked to from the current target by a hatnote. However redirecting a surname to the article about the only (or most prominent) person with that surname to have an article is common and beneficial. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete WP:XY for multiple typos, and the partial match is not worth a retarget. The target is surnamed Ibsen not Isben. Incidentally we don't have a {{R from misspelling}} from Henrik Isben whereas we do have one from Sharon Isben. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 12:04, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: Plausible typo and likely that a last name search would be performed. Hatnote or dab will solve all other problems Montanabw(talk) 04:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Sprung rhymes
- Sprung rhymes → Half rhyme (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sprung rhyme → Half rhyme (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sprung rhyming → Half rhyme (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These Neelix redirects all point to Half rhyme, but there is no content about them on that page or on any other page on Wikipedia I can find. However the Wiktionary entry suggests that it's a concept not entirely unrelated to half rhymes. I'm honestly not sure what the best solution is here. Thryduulf (talk) 03:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Dobbing
- Dobbing → Bingo Night Live (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Dobbed → Bingo Night Live (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) This doesn't make sense to me. "Dobbing" is used in the article, but I feel like the "dobbing" format it's referring to would be any bingo game that is marked with a pen/marker. Therefore, it wouldn't be specific to this specific game show, and I don't think the word has any affinity with bingo either. -- Tavix (talk) 03:07, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- weak retarget "Dobbing" to Glossary of cricket terms#D where it has an (unsourced) entry. It's also a surname, but we don't have an article about any of the people who have it, the closest being Dressed Like Wolves but that article really doesn't feel notable (although I haven't investigated in detail).Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- delete "Dobbed". The only use in mainspace is four instance of the past tense of "dob" in the British slang sense, and quite a few uses in project space in the Australian slang sense(s) (see wikt:dob), but nothing to retarget to. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dob and add wiktionary entry for its variants. News searches show stuff related to horse race bets, dobbing in bad parking drivers. Add see also to daub which is a term used in bingo. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:21, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Kingsport Police Department (Tennessee)
- Kingsport Police Department (Tennessee) → Kingsport, Tennessee (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unnecessarily specific redirect - we don't have any other redirs for a Kingsport Police Department in any other state, and the title we have is also a redir to the same target. MSJapan (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as it takes readers who use this redirect (36 in the last 90 days, which is far from a trivial number) directly to the section about the police department in Kingsport, Tennessee. Thryduulf (talk) 10:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
- Strong keep. No policy-compliant reason for deletion has been given in the nomination and being 'unnecessary' is never a ground for deletion of a redirect. Taking account of WP:RFD#HARMFUL, deletion could be harmful and has no benefit. Just Chilling (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
July 16
A Cry
(Neelix) "A Cry" is the literal translation of the Welsh name of the hymn, but is there any evidence of it being known in English as "A Cry?" If not, I think it should be deleted per WP:R#D8 as an obscure or novel synonym. -- Tavix (talk) 20:40, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. I can't find anything other than partial title matches. Thryduulf (talk) 22:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Family Portrait (play)
- Family Portrait (play) → Ellen Demming (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. A Neelix redirect that targets one of the actresses who performed in it, whose article simply states that "She played Mary in Family Portrait. There is no indication anywhere of whether Mary is even a major character. Thryduulf (talk) 18:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Prince Featherhead
- Prince Featherhead → Andrew Lang's Fairy Books (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. This is a Neelix redirect that is a partial title match for one redlinked fairy tale listed in the The Green Fairy Book (1892) section (the redirect doesn't target a section), "Prince Featherhead and the Princess Celandine". If the fairy tale had an article I'd retarget it there, but as is the redirect doesn't seem to be helpful at all. Thryduulf (talk) 18:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Fahrenheit 451 (2009 film)
- Fahrenheit 451 (2009 film) → Fahrenheit 451 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted. There is no movie for it. This redirect was created years ago in anticipation of a movie that has never seen release, and may, in fact, never make it to release. The production appears to have stalled in development hell. As you can see from the page history, editors were just bumping the year of the redirect every year that passed without a release until it was just forgotten about. This is why WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL is a good policy. Jason Quinn (talk) 13:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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- Note: this redirect was once an article but was changed to a redirect in 2007 for failing notability. Jason Quinn (talk) 14:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. The page history actually had a "Production" section that does not appear in Fahrenheit 451, so I've copied it to that article's talk page in case it will ever be used later. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 14:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
July 15
President J. Edgar Hoover
- President J. Edgar Hoover → J. Edgar Hoover (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. This is misleading as he never held the title of "President." His title was always "Director." -- Tavix (talk) 15:05, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Missouri University of Science and Missouri
- Missouri University of Science and Missouri → Missouri University of Science and Technology (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unused redirect with obviously incorrect name; very unlikely this is a search term or linked to from any external webpages. Senator2029 “Talk” 14:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, Missouri is not synonymous with Technology. If not, create Technology University of Science and Technology. -- Tavix (talk) 14:44, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and housekeeping typo. No such name of school that lists Missouri twice like that. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:00, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Perpetual energy
- Perpetual energy → Renewable energy (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not sure this is what's right for this topic. Elvey(t•c) 00:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment my first thought is a dab page between the current target and Perpetual motion. Thryduulf (talk) 01:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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- Possibly worth adding an entry for Perpetual Energy Inc, a company owned by Clay Riddell? Uanfala (talk) 12:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to perpetual motion, the original target of this redirect. "Perpetual energy" would be hypothetical energy created by perpetual motion. It's not "renewable energy" because that's energy from a source that can be replenished...but the source isn't perpetual. Think of this in three separate categories: "unrenewable energy" (fossil fuels), where the energy source can only be used once before it's depleted; "renewable energy", which has a finite energy source, but it can be used over again; and perpetual energy, where there's an infinite energy source (but due to the laws of physics, that's not possible). (Source: Energy management degree.) If someone really thinks people are trying to find "Perpetual Energy Inc," I could support a hatnote. -- Tavix (talk) 21:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- It matters less what something is than what people are searching for, and while you are clearly correct on the former I don't think that is what everybody is looking for. There are about 6 entries on the draft dab page, although the current target, perpetual motion and free energy are the big three the others will be searched for by some people so any hatnote would need to point to the dab page anyway. Thryduulf (talk) 08:45, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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- I hadn't yet looked at the dab when I wrote my previous post as I assumed it was just the three topics already mentioned. I support the disambiguation since there's other topics out there, but I do feel that perpetual motion would be the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. -- Tavix (talk) 20:35, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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OP here. I think the dab page Thryduulf made is great. Given Tavix's last comment, I think we have consensus to close, replacing the redirect with the dab. --Elvey(t•c) 07:48, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- I think we have consensus that a disambiguation page is needed, however Tavix and I disagree on whether there is a primary topic or not. Tavix thinks the redirect should point to perpetual motion linking to disambiguation at Perpetual energy (disambiguation), whereas I think the disambiguation should replace the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
July 14
User:Military Macho-Violence in the Democratic Republic of Congo
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The Legendary Bird Pokemon
- The Legendary Bird Pokemon → Pokémon (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This term is a bit of an ambiguous term used in the Pokémon. This could refer to at least three subjects in the series. As it stands, the term is not defined in the article. Steel1943 (talk) 02:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres, which all have articles and are the three legendary bird Pokémon. Either that or retarget to Gameplay of Pokémon#Legendary Pokémon.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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- The first option wouldn't be a disambiguation page: It would be a list page. And it wouldn't even be complete: it would also include Lugia and Ho-Oh. Anyways, the latter option is currently misleading since in Gameplay of Pokémon, the word "bird" is completely absent, the original legendary bird trio (Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres) are only mentioned in Gameplay of Pokémon#Battle facilities, and the other two "birds" (Lugia and Ho-Oh) are mentioned nowhere. Steel1943 (talk) 13:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Our friends at Bulbapedia seem to limit it to Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres. If I remember correctly, Lugia is the legendary master of the three Legendary Bird Pokémon, but not a Legendary Bird Pokémon himself, while Ho-Oh is the legendary master of the legendary dogs trio. I guess if it's a list, it would be a list of three. At that point, the difference between a DAB and a list page would be minimal. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- To add confusion to this, our article Lugia itself contradicts that claim when it comes to defining "legendary bird" in terms of Pokémon. In Lugia#Design and characteristics, the first sentence in the section currently states "Considered a "legendary bird" within the setting of the games...". Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I believe the "legendary dogs" you are referring to are Raikou, Entei and Suicune. Ho-Oh, as far as I know with my "first-251" knowledge, is a bird that has no direct connection to the "legendary dogs". Steel1943 (talk) 00:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Our article is wrong then. Reliable sources only refer to Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres as The Legendary Birds/Legendary Bird Pokémon ([4], [5], [6]). Ho-Oh is definitely the master of the Legendary Beasts, see the Legendary Beasts article on Bulbapedia. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:28, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Our friends at Bulbapedia seem to limit it to Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres. If I remember correctly, Lugia is the legendary master of the three Legendary Bird Pokémon, but not a Legendary Bird Pokémon himself, while Ho-Oh is the legendary master of the legendary dogs trio. I guess if it's a list, it would be a list of three. At that point, the difference between a DAB and a list page would be minimal. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment This refers to the recent release of cards for the 20th anniversary announced in April 2016. They are covered by mainstream papers such as Latin Times iDigital Times and Polygon AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- That can't be it. This redirect's been around since 2009. -- Tavix (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- The legendary birds have been around since 1996 when Pokémon Red and Blue were released in Japan. The links above show that events involving the legendary birds still occur, get news coverage from reliable industry sources, and thus should have some kind of landing page. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:07, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- That can't be it. This redirect's been around since 2009. -- Tavix (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Articuno the first of the three and a "redirects here", and a hatnote to point to the other two in the set. Add the April 2016 news articles for the 20th anniversary to the Promotion and reception sections to all three. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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- If it a notable group in itself, should an article be created as with Team Rocket (anime)? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- I've created a draft at Draft:Legendary Bird Trio. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:53, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- I like that idea the best, good work Patar knight. -- Tavix (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- I've created a draft at Draft:Legendary Bird Trio. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:53, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- If it a notable group in itself, should an article be created as with Team Rocket (anime)? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres, which all have articles, or Retarget to Draft:Legendary Bird Trio (whatever title that were to end up at in the mainspace).—Godsy(TALKCONT) 21:51, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To discuss draft article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 16:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. That would not be a valid disambiguation page as none of the terms are ambiguous. "The Legendary Bird Pokemon" is an arbitrary title that is highly unlikely to ever be searched for or linked to. —Xezbeth (talk) 17:57, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Teacher of philosophy
- Teacher of philosophy → Doctor of Philosophy (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Neelix) Is there a good target for this? A "teacher of philosophy" is not the same thing as a "doctor of philosophy." I think philosopher is closer, but I still don't think that's good enough as you can be a philosopher without teaching it, and philosophy itself has varying definitions. -- Tavix (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Philosophy education is closer still, but doesn't really go into much detail on teachers. --BDD (talk) 02:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete no such degree title. No such remapping of other teaching subjects like Teacher of history, Teacher of math. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Would Teaching Philosophy be a decent target? — Gorthian (talk) 16:40, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Too vague to refer to any specific subject. Also, Teaching Philosophy is not an appropriate retargeting option since that doesn't seem to be any version of the name of the book. Steel1943 (talk) 20:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to philosophy education as best target, since the lede says that it's "the practice of teaching and learning philosophy." Teachers of philosophy would be doing said teaching. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:51, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to philosophy education, which discusses the the practice of teaching and learning philosophy. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to philosophy education per Patar knight, not exactly the best redirect in my taste but I think it's a plausible search term --Lenticel (talk) 01:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. It's not a redirect I would encourage creation of, but now we have it pointing it somewhere relevant (and philosophy education certainly is) is better than deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Nickname
- Wikipedia:Nickname → Wikipedia:Username policy (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This antique redirect to the Wikipedia username policy is confusing with our WP:NICKNAME policy that applies to article subjects. I suggest deleting this redirect to clarify search results and links to policy. — JFG talk 08:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to be in line with the NICKNAME redirect. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens to match WP:NICKNAME. Thryduulf (talk) 16:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. This was as confusing as WP:Television. Username policy has plenty of redirects with WP:USERNAME AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. KGirlTrucker81 talk what I'm been doing 17:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens per nom and Thryduulf --Lenticel (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Patriarch Grigorije
- Patriarch Grigorije → Serbian Patriarch German (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect should be deleted. There is no patriarch Grigorije and Grigorije is not a different name for German. There were some Alexandrian patriarchs named Gregorije/Grigorije, but it's about Serbian transliteration of the Greek names. Thus, the article "Patriarch Grigorije" is useless on English Wikipedia.
Explanation courtesy of @Millosh: Slashme (talk) 07:40, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment There was a Patriarch Grigorije of the Eparchy of Zahumlje and Herzegovina but the only information about him there is his dates in post (1855—1860) and I'm not turning up any information in English that could be used to write an article and I don't know whether being Partriarch of this Eparchy is considered enough to make you automatically notable or not. I'm leaning delete, but I'm not quite convinced yet. Thryduulf (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Tonight's the Night (1934 film)
- Tonight's the Night (1934 film) → Tonight's the Night (1932 film) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not an incorrect name for the target, despite being tagged as such. The sources say nothing about the film being released in 1934. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Dazed and confused. Can you explain a little more? You assert it is not an incorrect name, and then seemingly confirm the opposite – that it is an incorrect name – by stating that "sources say nothing about the film being released in 1934". Yes, that's true, and why I moved it upon request to "...(1932)", and made the title with the incorrect parenthetical year "(1934)" into the redirect under discussion.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:18, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Likely a typo and they meant to say not a correct name.--174.91.187.80 (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
List of climate change deniers
- List of climate change deniers → List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. The target avoids saying climate change denier because that requires a lot more to show than that they oppose the scientific consensus and it would in some case be a violation of WP:BLP because of defaming. Dmcq (talk) 00:18, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - seems to me that there's a big gap in the redirect because being a climate change denier doesn't imply that one is a scientist. Favouring delete, in that case. Banedon (talk) 00:44, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. If somebody want to see a list of climate change deniers, she will at least be directed to a list that includes some of them (vis. scientists). Also, if the redirect is deleted, somebody, possibly me, will immediately be tempted to create such a list. Of course, it would include the scientists. But some journalists, politicians, and others would need to be mentioned.--Toploftical (talk) 01:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - unlike article titles redirects do not have to be strictly correct. The test is 'does the redirect take the reader to information that is likely to be relevant to their search?'. In this case I know the answer to be 'yes' because, some months ago, I actually used this redirect to find this article that I would have found hard to find otherwise. This leads me to WP:RFD#K5 and, conversely, I see no policy-compliant reason to delete. I would add that WP:RNEUTRAL is also relevant. Just Chilling (talk) 01:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep I had intended to vote delete because a few of those listed in the "Scientists opposing..." article are not deniers and it would be unfair to them. But Just Chilling's arguments are persuasive, especially their pointers to WP:RFD#K5 and WP:RNEUTRAL. (Interestingly, WP:RNEUTRAL gives an example directly related to climate change.) As there is no policy-compliant argument for deletion I am voting keep. If the redirect is kept we should probably add the "R from non-neutral name" tag mentioned at WP:RNEUTRAL. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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- Yes I guess RNEUTRAL does seem to cover the situation. Thanks. I probably would have just used that tag if I'd known about it. I guess I better leave the question here now for a community decision because of the possible BLP based problem as they tend to be taken more seriously. Dmcq (talk) 15:24, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Thanks for starting this discussion. I opposed the PROD for this redirect in order to get discussion. I cannot recall similar situations or discussions, and deciding how to resolve BLP vs linking related articles seems rather important. The language is loaded and ArbCom enforcement applies. A far better solution would seem to be to have a proper article rather than a redirect, with a more appropriate title. --Ronz (talk) 15:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Just Chilling. There are no BLP problems with this redirect per WP:RNEUTRAL as we are not saying that the people on the list are climate change deniers, we're directing people who use a non-neutral search term to a nutral article (or list in this case) at a neutral title that is of a directly related scope - although not identical as it doesn't include non-scientists and does some include scientists who have not been called climate change deniers. The scope of the list is made very explicitly and carefully clear in the introduction, which strengthens the arguments for applying WP:RNEUTRAL. Thryduulf (talk) 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per the above arguments, especially re:WP:RNEUTRAL. In any case creating a list of all people labelled as climate change deniers would likely be a BLP disaster, so this is the best thing we have. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per all the arguments above, especially because the title of the target article is so unwieldy and hard to search for otherwise. — Gorthian (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Climate_change_denial#Lobbying, which, while not a list per se, at least presents a broader collection of climate change deniers than the current target. Note that climate change denial has the current target in the See Also. Morfusmax (talk) 23:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep along with List of climate change skeptics and List of global warming deniers. Although it hasn't been searched recently until the RFD, it is a plausible search term. Redirecting to a non-list would be more confusing than debating whether it is a list of scientists or folks in general. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: There are no BLP problems in it, but very useful redirect to people searching for it. KGirlTrucker81 talk what I'm been doing 17:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
July 13
-present redirects
- List of rail accidents (2000-present) → List of rail accidents (2000–09) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of rail accidents (2000–present) → List of rail accidents (2000–09) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
War in Afghanistan (2001–present) → War in Afghanistan (2001–14) (links · history · stats)[ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- War in Afghanistan (2001-Present) → War in Afghanistan (2001–14) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- War in Afghanistan (2001–Present) → War in Afghanistan (2001–14) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- War in Afghanistan (2001-present) → War in Afghanistan (2001–14) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of California ballot propositions 2000-present → List of California ballot propositions 2000–09 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- History of SNL:2000-present → History of Saturday Night Live (2000–05) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of human spaceflights, 2000-present → List of human spaceflights, 2001–10 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- One Life to Live storylines (2000-Present) → One Life to Live storylines (2000–12) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- One Life to Live storylines (2000-present) → One Life to Live storylines (2000–12) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of England national rugby union team - Results 2000-present → List of England national rugby union team results 2000–09 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of people in Playboy 2000-Present → List of people in Playboy 2000–09 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of people in Playboy 2000–present → List of people in Playboy 2000–09 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These events have already ended and thus -present redirects do not make sense. There are probably many more such redirects that are not listed.Pppery (talk) 21:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget as below:
- Keep The Afghan ones (the first in the list averages 900 hits a day, showing it's a well used search term).
- Retarget the rail accidents, California ballots, Human spaceflight and England Rugby redirects to Lists of rail accidents, List of California ballot propositions, List of human spaceflights and List of England national rugby union team matches respectively. These articles are or function as indexes to the various pages so people can choose which time period they are interested in.
- Retarget One Life to Live to One Life to Live#Storylines for the same reason, or One Life to Live#Series history if more context is needed (2nd preference)
- Retarget SNL to Template:History of SNL - yes it's a CNR, but it's a reader-facing template that provides nothing but an index of SNL seasons that is transcluded onto articles. It could be retargeted to Saturday Night Live#Development which is the main place it is transcluded, but I think the template is cleaner.
- Create an index at List of people in Playboy and retarget the redirects above there. Thryduulf (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Support Thyrduulf's proposals above, especially the Afghan ones, which get high numers of daily hits because it's been at that name until last October, and would presumeably break several links coming from other sites. Would support #Series history target because of the additional context for One Life to Live.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:26, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Speedy keep War in Afghanistan (2001–present); well more than two thousand articles link to it. (I'm sure a proportion of those are in templates, but a spot check revealed mostly in-article links.)(now withdrawn)
- Keep War in Afghanistan (2001-present); with hundreds of article links and hundreds of hits per month, this is still heavily used.
- As for the others,
KeepRetarget List of rail accidents (2000–present) to Lists of rail accidents.List of rail accidents (2000–09) to avoid a double redirect.There are maybe two dozen articles linking there (most in "see also" sections), enough that fixing them manually would be a chore if it were deleted.
KeepRetarget List of California ballot propositions 2000-present to List of California ballot propositions.List of California ballot propositions 2000–09 to avoid a double redirect(About ten articles link to it.)I would argue that this target is better than List of California ballot propositions; the latter is more of an overview and lists only notable propositions, whereas List of California ballot propositions 2000–09 goes into great detail about all the propositions during this period.
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- This redirect actually has the targets you are wanting to retarget it to, but I got confused about the different types of dash when nominating these articles. In addition, what if the person looking at List of California ballot propositions 2000-present was looking for a ballot proposition in the 2010s? Pppery (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect List of human spaceflights, 2000-present to List of human spaceflights.
- Delete History of SNL:2000-present, but fix the two article links first. Two hits over the last year.
- Delete the rest, as there are no articles linked to them and they've had negligible hits for the last year:
- List of rail accidents (2000-present)
- War in Afghanistan (2001-Present)
- War in Afghanistan (2001–Present)
- History of SNL:2000-present
- One Life to Live storylines (2000-Present)
- One Life to Live storylines (2000-present)
- List of England national rugby union team - Results 2000-present
- List of people in Playboy 2000-Present
- List of people in Playboy 2000–present
- Withdrawn for War in Afghanistan (2001–present) (and not any of the other dashing or capitalization variants). Pppery (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Gorthian: targeting e.g. 2000-present to a 2000-09 article doesn't help someone who is looking for the period 2010-14, which is exactly as likely as someone looking for 2005-09. Pointing them at the index means one click for everyone rather than 3 clicks for some. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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- Thryduulf, I was thinking of those article links; they're all in the "See also" sections of articles that are about specific propositions in the 2000s. I don't feel strongly one way or another; retargeting to either one will do. I don't think deleting it would be right. — Gorthian (talk) 02:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- I agree they shouldn't be deleted, but retargetting to the other one is just as bad as leaving them where they are (particularly when -present covers 3 or more lists, as they eventually will). To find the link in the see also section people have to search to the end of the wrong (long) list first, and not everybody will do that, so I disagree that this is at all helpful in this situation. Thryduulf (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I follow your details here, but I get the gist, and I've decided to change "keep" to "retarget" the lists you specified for rail accidents, propositions, and space flight redirects. (Oddly, I missed the space flight one earlier.) I hope my choices are legible for the closing admin, with all the strikeouts! — Gorthian (talk) 21:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- I agree they shouldn't be deleted, but retargetting to the other one is just as bad as leaving them where they are (particularly when -present covers 3 or more lists, as they eventually will). To find the link in the see also section people have to search to the end of the wrong (long) list first, and not everybody will do that, so I disagree that this is at all helpful in this situation. Thryduulf (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- Thryduulf, I was thinking of those article links; they're all in the "See also" sections of articles that are about specific propositions in the 2000s. I don't feel strongly one way or another; retargeting to either one will do. I don't think deleting it would be right. — Gorthian (talk) 02:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
New Jersey Turnpike smog accident
- New Jersey Turnpike smog accident → New Jersey Turnpike (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No source, not even mentioned in Turnpike article. Tinton5 (talk) 21:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to section New Jersey Turnpike#1950s–1980s, where it is mentioned; it's given a whole paragraph, with a source. Better yet, we could make an anchor at that paragraph and retarget to that. — Gorthian (talk) 22:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per Gorthian with anchor. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Worldwide Center of Mathematics
- Worldwide Center of Mathematics → David B. Massey (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect makes absolutely no sense. — Music1201 talk 20:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. He founded the Center in 2008. Odd that it's not in the article, since one of the sources is explicitly about the Worldwide Center of Mathematics and his ideas for it. It needs to be at least mentioned in his bio. — Gorthian (talk) 22:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. This redirect makes fine sense. Worldwide Center of Mathematics was founded by David B. Massey in 2008. And that fact is stated in and has been stated in the target ever since it was created in February 2011. And it was stated in Worldwide Center of Mathematics as well at the time of G11 tagging. It's a perfectly normal
{{R to related topic}}
. Sam Sailor Talk! 13:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
猫
- 猫 → Mao (disambiguation) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I know several people have expressed reservation about deleting {{R from unicode}}s, but what can we do with this? The current target has nothing that would be written this way. Non-deletion options:
- Some stuff at Neko might be written this way, but I hesitate to redirect a character used in multiple languages to a single language target.
- Sometimes single Unicode characters get retargeted to the Unicode block which contains them (in this case, List of CJK Unified Ideographs, part 2 of 4)
- Or we could make a terrible disambiguation page with obscure WP:DABMENTIONs like Singlish vocabulary#N, mainly to have somewhere to hang a {{wiktionary}} link to wikt:猫.
- Or we could just {{wiktionary redirect}} it
Opinions? 210.6.254.106 (talk) 14:54, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- There is precedent here for deleting a unicode redirect when there truly isn't an appropriate target for it. A good example is a few emojis that were deleted last year around this time (eg: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 5#👾). I think this is a good example where deleting per WP:R#D1 could be helpful. -- Tavix (talk) 15:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Is this really Unicode, versus a Chinese character? I mean, any letter is also a Unicode character, right? So this means both "Mao" and "Neko"? I'm wondering why it doesn't point to Mao Zedong (cf. Mao) right now. --BDD (talk) 15:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- It's read māo in Mandarin and neko or byō in Japanese. Mao Zedong's surname is "Máo", which is a different character (毛, which redirects to Radical 82). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 15:59, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete there's no link for other common Chinese characters like 不, and it isn't a radical like 二. Uses should refer to wiktionary as with the article Z-variant which has the example for 不 as well as 猫. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:11, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Inappropriate wiktionary redirect, no point with WP:CJKV either. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 02:13, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - arguments for deletion are poor. Is this a common query?Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 13:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wiktionary, which looks to have a veritable mine of information. This gets ~1–2 hits a day, so deleting wouldn't help anyone. At first I thought the nom's second option would be best, until I checked that page; for someone who cannot read Chinese, finding a single character is a chore. When I finally found it, and clicked on the link, poof! I was at the Wiktionary page. — Gorthian (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to wiktionary — JFG talk 23:04, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary per Gorthian. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:14, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 19:58, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary per Gorthian's well reasoned comment. Thryduulf (talk) 16:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Hahu
- Hahu → Ge'ez script (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't understand why "Hahu" redirects to the Ge'ez script, or specifically a section of it. There seems to be absolutely no connection between the two, other than the fact that "hahu" can be written using two Ge'ez characters, but the same is probably true of many other abugidas and syllabaries. Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 16:44, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. HaHu appears to be one way of referring to this script, after the name of the first two letters - the entire first page of results on a google search for "Hahu" return only entries relevant to the script (and Wikipedia is not one of them). It would be better if this were mentioned in the article though. Thryduulf (talk) 17:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The above explanation is entirely correct. As the user who made the redirect, this was exactly why I made the page. The term "HaHu" is used similarly to the English "ABCs". --Varavour (talk) 17:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per above and hatnote to Humera Airport, whose airport code is HAHU. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per above. I also support Patar knight's hatnote --Lenticel (talk) 04:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Mar Augustine Kandathil Memorial Lisie Hospital
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moved to another name only_nonsense (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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Coconut (Paraguayan)
- Coconut (Paraguayan) → Acrocomia aculeata (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete? This seems to be an implausible search term. We have Paraguayan coconut, which isn't a very common common name in the first place (351 reported Google hits, many of which are about oil from regular coconuts grown in Paraguay). I wouldn't necessarily object to keeping if somebody can suggest an appropriate redirect categorization template for this (I don't think {{R from common name}} is appropriate). Plantdrew (talk) 02:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete it's not the most implausible search term I've ever seen, but it's getting at most 5 hits/90 days as far as I can tell which is way below the levels that suggest human interest. Thryduulf (talk) 14:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep plausible search term if people are aware that Wikipedia uses parenthetical disambiguators. One real person a month has searched for it in the past year, so it does seem to get some use. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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Earth Magnetism
- Earth Magnetism → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Earth magnetic field → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Earth's magnetic poles → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Earth's magnetism → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Earths Magnetic Field → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Earths magnetic field → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Earths magnitism → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Geomagnetic → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Geomagnetic Field → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Geomagnetic maximum → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Geomagnetics → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Geomagnetism → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnetic Field of Earth → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnetic field of earth → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnetic field of the Earth → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnetic field of the earth → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnetologist → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Surface magnetic field → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Terrestrial magnetism → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The earth's magnetic field → Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The retargeting of Magnetosphere of Earth to Magnetosphere#Earth's magnetosphere per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 5#Magnetosphere of Earth has caused most of these fixed double redirects to point to the wrong target; the only exception probably being Magnetologist. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:40, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Earth's magnetic field, except magnetologist, which doesn't really have a good target. Magnetism#History maybe? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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- I've boldly redirected all the redirects that clearly refer to the Earth's magnetic field there. The only ones remaining are Magnetologist, Surface magnetic field, which seems applicable to non-Earth bodies, and Geomagnetic maximum, which could potentially redirect to a specific phenomenon.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- After some additional reading, my preference is to retarget "Geomagnetic maximum" to Earth's_magnetic_field#Intensity where minimums and maxima in field intensity are discussed and "Surface magnetic field" to Magnetosphere, since it could apply to any stellar body's magnetic field. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- I've boldly redirected all the redirects that clearly refer to the Earth's magnetic field there. The only ones remaining are Magnetologist, Surface magnetic field, which seems applicable to non-Earth bodies, and Geomagnetic maximum, which could potentially redirect to a specific phenomenon.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget all per details given by Patar knight, plus retarget Magnetologist to Earth's magnetic field as well. In researching this, I found that the term magnetologist seems to have been most common during polar expeditions in the early 20th century, but isn't used as much nowadays. The term magnetist seems more prevalent now. I only found one definitive statement of the professional scope (I guessed it wouldn't be limited to rock magnetism or paleomagnetism). So, since Geomagnetism now redirects to Earth's magnetic field, Magnetologist should, too. — Gorthian (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget except for the following.
- Delete all proper noun designations such as "Earth's Magnetic Field" or "Magnetic Field of the Earth". News articles and journals refer to "Earth's magnetic field" and "geomagnetic field". See NOAA FAQ
- Delete Earths magnitism. Typo. If someone's going to search for this term they will find Earth's magnetic field by the time they type in mag.
- Delete Earths magnetism. The term isn't used together like that in news articles or journal. It's usually Earth's magnetic field. And could get confused with Rare-earth magnet.
- Redirect Surface magnetic field to magnetic field. That doesn't necessarily refer to the Earth.
- Keep Geomagnetism and its variants as mentioned in the NOAA FAQ.
- Delete or redirect magnetology to magnet, as the single news article that pops up is about the use of magnets in alternative medicine. [8] and there's a website called Magnetology that makes magnet books for children. Magnetologist might be too vague as well. The book searches show it to mean the study of magnetism and magnets, so that isn't specific to the Earth. [9]
- Delete Geomagnetic maximum Article does not explain this term. Maximum of what?
- Retarget all to Earth's magnetic field for now, with no prejudice against re-nominating specific entries later. Would that be acceptable to you, AngusWOOF? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Redirects to Template:Pampanga Radio
- Template:San Fernando FM → Template:Pampanga Radio (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Template:San Fernando Radio → Template:Pampanga Radio (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"San Fernando" is an ambiguous term. It can be any place in any country. Sixth of March 10:53, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- Well no, it can't be "any place in any country." It can only be one of the 30+ places at San Fernando (disambiguation), which is still ambiguous but not that ambiguous. -- Tavix (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Christian Warren
- Christian Warren → Christer Warren (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect page should be deleted and later become an independent article about the author of Brush with Death. RekishiEJ (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- This did not need to go to RFD. be bold and make the article yourself. Pppery (talk) 15:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete It isn't clear whether the author or the book is more notable for an article to be created. [10] But it shouldn't be pointing to the football player as it is not a name that player goes by. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
User:192.168.1.1
- User:192.168.1.1 → Private network (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unnecessary XNR from userspace to mainspace when the target article does not make sence as a root userpage. Also, IPs do not generally have user pages. Pppery (talk) 14:14, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. Normally when a root userpage redirects to the mainspace the best thing to do is to convert it to a soft redirect as it maintains the intended link but doesn't violate WP:ASTONISH or lead to people leaving messages for the user on an article talk page. However, this is not a normal IP talk page - 192.168.0.0/16 (which includes 192.168.1.1) is one of the IPv4 private network ranges (see Private network#Private IPv4 address spaces), and so there will never* be any edits to Wikipedia from this IP address. The mainspace page 192.168.1.1 also redirects to Private network (correctly in my opinion) and that is a more likely search term than the userspace page. I'm not sure what action I prefer to take here though. Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment User:127.0.0.1 has his own userpage (mainly for the purpose of telling admins not to block it). Not sure if something similar is necessary here. Other special IP addresses (e.g. 208.80.154.76 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), the external-facing IP of a Wikimedia Foundation server) don't have a special userpage, just a notice on the talk page. Edits occasionally get misattributed to those addresses due to misconfigurations, but the equivalent hasn't happened with 192.168.1.1, apparently. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment That "user page" has a very weird edit history. Also, the links show the user signing occasional discussions, but there are zero edits in their contributions. Maybe a dummy account of some sort...? — Gorthian (talk) 03:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I don't know the technical differences between the IP's, but would it be a good idea to retarget it to User:127.0.0.1? That page seems to have a good note/overview of that IP, and if this one is the same type of IP, it could be a helpful target. If not, someone could write a similar page over the redirect to explain the situation with this IP. -- Tavix (talk) 06:22, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Vuil
Closed discussion. Click "show" to expand. Result was: withdrawn and retargeted to Dutch profanity#Miscellaneous profanity. |
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Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. wikt:vuil says this is Dutch and Afrikaans. -- Tavix (talk) 03:30, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Alphabetical list of WikiProjects
- Wikipedia:Alphabetical list of WikiProjects → Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No such a list exists at the redirect's target. The only plausible option for retargeting this redirect would probably be a soft redirect to Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:WikiProject, but that may be pushing it, especially since that link contains subpages and redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 23:39, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep unless there's a better option, since anyone searching for this wants to search for WikiProjects, and this is presumeably the best target, since it is only one click away from (mostly) alphabetical lists of WikiProjects. The page suggested in the nom lists subpages, so is not very helpful and would take too long to navigate. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:04, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 02:52, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Patar Knight. Note also that redirects to special pages only work as soft redirects - see User:Thryduulf/R to special and User:Thryduulf/R to search for example. Thryduulf (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete
or Weak retarget to Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:WikiProjectper nom. A list that is sorted by topic then alphabetically is not the same as a list only sorted alphabetically.Pppery (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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- That special pages takes 50 clicks to get to WikiProjects pages that start with "D". A list sorted by topic then alphabetically is the next best thing to a list sorted alphabetically, especially when the suggested alternative is prohibitively difficult to use to find any WikiProject that doesn't happen to begin with one of the first letters of the alphabet. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep until there's a better option. A non-alphabetical (but quite organized) list is better than no list. — Gorthian (talk) 02:35, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Maasikkaay
- Maasikkaay → Quercus lusitanica (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete non standard transliteration of a Tamil language term for galls of Quercus infectoria used in Ayurvedic medicine. Current target isn't even the right species of oak. Plantdrew (talk) 21:23, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Quercus infectoria as a likely (mis)spelling variant of Maasikkai, which returns a fair number of google hits and is the form it's listed as at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3336400/pdf/ASL-20-31.pdf. I definitely support also creating the more standardly transliterated māccakkāy (மாச்சக்காய்: [11] [12]). Worth noting though: I don't know what's what in Tamil stuff, but my general impression of South Asia is that standard transliterations (God bless them, I add them to articles whenever I can) seem to be used only by cataloguers, philologists (not even linguists) and sometimes by area specialists. A non-standard romanisation is what everyone else uses when typing in the search box (and when writing the articles). Uanfala (talk) 00:06, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 02:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Abbingdon Girls' School
- Abbingdon Girls' School → Lara Croft (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in article. SSTflyer 08:11, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete no notable Abbingdons (with two b's) to map. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:10, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. I've added the information to the article with a reliable source. Given that it appears in an overview section for the character in a guidebook, it seems reasonable to include it, especially since the contrasts with the character's backstory in the first era of Tomb Raider games. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:32, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Patar knight's edit, although I cannot withdraw because of the delete vote. SSTflyer 01:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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- I don't believe that's enough for it to get its own notability. Yes, it's a school that Lara Croft attends, however, none of the video games in the franchise notably focus on her girls' school days. Abbington is hardly Hogwarts. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 07:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- It seems that this spelling and name is unique to Lara Croft. I also found this academic book game design specifically mentions the school as part of an example of lore to be emulated in good video game design. In any case, two other schools are mentioned for the first era of the Tomb Raider franchise, so there it seems the local consensus is that they are valid for inclusion in the article, though you could always take it up on the talk page. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:21, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- I don't believe that's enough for it to get its own notability. Yes, it's a school that Lara Croft attends, however, none of the video games in the franchise notably focus on her girls' school days. Abbington is hardly Hogwarts. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 07:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
*Delete, it's a trivial detail in the backstory of the version of Lara Croft in the second of three Tomb Raider eras, and not an established part of the character. The reference for that particular detail is a gameguide, not the game itself. By that logic, we could create a redirect for Earl of Abbingdon, as that's what the character of Richard Croft was in that era. Typing in "abingdon", there is an article on Abingdon and Witney College. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:26, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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- Gameguides are generally considered authoritative, and in the link I posted in reply to AngusWOOF, an academic book on game design references the school as part of the excellent lore of the game. I've created the Earl of Abbingdon redirect to the actual title Earl of Abingdon, as a {{R from misspelling}}, since we don't seem to have coverage of the father on Wikipedia so there's no other target for that. As for schools in places named Abingdon, I would say that small details matter. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:21, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- I'm confused, was or wasn't the fictional school actually mentioned in any of the games or not? I assumed it just appeared in a gameguide. Because if it did appear in one of the games, I could understand the redirect. But if it's just in a gameguide, that doesn't seem noteworthy enough to me (not discounting its use as a reliable source though). soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Answering that would me watching playthroughs of at least three Tomb Raider games and/or dig up the novelizations/comic book series, which I'm not going to do. I've provided a reliable source that shows it's part of the character's backstory, and another reliable source that shows that backstory is an example of exemplar character lore and includes the name of the school. Given that this is the only thing that this specific term refers to, I don't see the benefits of deletion. You delete it, people search for it, and they get a search results page with one entry: Lara Croft. Where's the benefit in that? If there was a valid retargeting option, that could be done, but there doesn't seem to be one given the specific spelling of the title. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- I'm confused, was or wasn't the fictional school actually mentioned in any of the games or not? I assumed it just appeared in a gameguide. Because if it did appear in one of the games, I could understand the redirect. But if it's just in a gameguide, that doesn't seem noteworthy enough to me (not discounting its use as a reliable source though). soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Gameguides are generally considered authoritative, and in the link I posted in reply to AngusWOOF, an academic book on game design references the school as part of the excellent lore of the game. I've created the Earl of Abbingdon redirect to the actual title Earl of Abingdon, as a {{R from misspelling}}, since we don't seem to have coverage of the father on Wikipedia so there's no other target for that. As for schools in places named Abingdon, I would say that small details matter. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:21, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Changing to keep. Patar knight's arguments are sound. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:28, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete All of the arguments for keeping are moot when you consider that, in the past 12 months it's had 0.69 hits per day. It doesn't seem to be serving any useful purpose. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:21, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 02:49, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- It's still an obscure reference that isn't showing up in general news searches. If she had a horse when she was young, would that horse's name be a searchable item? There's a Forbes magazine reference to her as a Countess of Abbingdon though. [13] One possible reason why it's getting some hits is because Abingdon Boys School is a notable Japanese rock band, so folks searching for that would find the girls school to be a curiosity. As for other Abbingdons, John Leland mentions an Abbingdon Abbay in his book [14]. But I'm getting a lot of redirects to Abingdon in the Google searches, so perhaps it may be useful to merge the dabs there. Again, I would be more convinced of its usefulness if it had more stronger references in the game like "you're that student from Abbingdon Girls School" or it had some scenarios involved her visiting her old school. Like her mentor Werner Von Croy, who was an actual character in the game scenario. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 10:45, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep It's harmless and getting hits; 0.7 hits/day isn't high, but it's not all that low for a redirect either, and well above noise level. People are using this, it's leading them to the best possible target, and this topic is covered there. Sideways713 (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Russavia
- Russavia → Polandball (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The title of this redirect is not discussed in the target article, and so, in my opinion, should be deleted as per WP:R#DELETE criterion 2. Everymorning (talk) 02:19, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I don't have an opinion yet, but I wanted to let other editors know that Russavia was the username of an editor here (now banned) who apparently took on the "mission" of defending the Polandball article to the extent of creating the same article on 50 different language wikipedias after the one here was deleted. (Details at Wikipediocracy.) Thus, there is a relationship, but it probably won't ever be mentioned in the article. — Gorthian (talk) 05:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
1984 (number)
- 1984 (number) → 1000 (number)#1750–1999 (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect was previously retargeted to 1984 (disambiguation), until I (before creating an account) retargeted it to its current destination to avoid link pollution on the year article (1984). However, the target section has only one fact about the number in question, and most XXX (number) redirects do not exist even if there is a fact in the order of magnitude article. The `for the number see 1984 (number)` message (which is a standard part of the {{year dab}} template) is underirable and thus this redirect should be deleted. Pppery (talk) 01:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete That it can be converted to a binary number isn't particularly notable or significant. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. A recent discussion involving all number redirects to that page where the number isn't mentioned resulted in "no consensus." I !voted delete in that discussion, but this should be kept for the same reason. Someone searching for information on that number will find information on the number at the target, so it's a helpful redirect to have. Sure, it's not much, but deleting this will give our readers no information. In this case, something is better than nothing. -- Tavix (talk) 06:29, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
"Captain Flint" (character
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Implausable typo. Why would someone type the name with quotes and missing a closing paren. Pppery (talk) 01:20, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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MDY redirects
- January 1, 2003 → 2003#January (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Many of these dates are not specifically mentioned in the month section header, making the redirect point to something that doesn't exist. I am also nominating all other such MDY redirects (January 2, 2003, February 1, 2003, January 3, 2004) that do not have the date mentioned in the section for the same reason. Additionally, the presence of these redirects is quite random (why does January 1, 2004 not exist)?Pppery (talk) 00:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I did not tag any of the redirects I mentioned. Pppery (talk) 00:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- January 1, 2004 is a redlink because Anthony Appleyard has done a history merge of it into Portal:Current events/2004 January 1. The discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years/Archive 11#Using archives of Portal:Current events for month articles says that "Month Year" articles for Year≥1997 now redirect to the year article instead of showing an archived portal and the archived portal is now at "Portal:Current events/Month Year". That made タチコマ robot fix the double redirects. In fact, the non-redirect revisions of January 1, 2003 up to December 31, 2004 should all be moved to Portal:Current events/2003 January 1 up to Portal:Current events/2004 December 31; pinging Waldir for this. 24.205.8.104 (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Either history merge or retarget to the relevant "Portal:Current events" page. Straight up deletion is not an option here per WP:MAD as they are redirects from merges. -- Tavix (talk) 03:08, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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- The relevant Portal:Current events subpages do not generally exist (Portal:Current events/2003 January 1 is a redlink). What is there to history merge into? Or are you intending to support the proposal the IP made, which is more of a history split than a history merge? Pppery (talk) 13:18, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- The Current event pages for those dates don't exist because at the time the convention was to create day pages directly in the main namespace. Some of them have been moved to match the new pattern, but lots of the old pages still need to be moved. I just finished cleaning up the exceptions (moves that had been made leaving a redirect behind) from 2003 and 2004 pages. Now the remaining ones need to be moved to the corresponding page in the portal namespace, without leaving a redirect behind (see User:Waldir/DateMatrix#2004 for an overview). Unfortunately for bot edits I have normally used AWB, which doesn't support automatic page moves. Moving ~600 pages by hand is a bit daunting. I wonder if @Anomie: could do the remaining moves, considering his bot has done this before (e.g. Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/AnomieBOT 35) --Waldir talk 22:21, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- The relevant Portal:Current events subpages do not generally exist (Portal:Current events/2003 January 1 is a redlink). What is there to history merge into? Or are you intending to support the proposal the IP made, which is more of a history split than a history merge? Pppery (talk) 13:18, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Mainland Australia
- Mainland Australia → Australia (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Australian mainland → Australia (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] added by 210.6.254.106 (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
If this term means the single continuous landmass of Australia excluding Tasmania and other small outlying islands, then it deserves its own article like contiguous United States, rather than a redirect. Quest for Truth (talk) 00:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Australia (island) is a redirect to Geography of Australia, though that doesn't seem much more helpful. I'm adding Australian mainland to this nomination too. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Othello/Reversi(board game)
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There are 2 problems with this redirect. The first one is that although "Othello" is the same as "Reversi", we shouldn't have a redirect from a title beginning with "A/B" where A and B are related somehow as subpages are disabled in mainspace. The second one is that there is no space before the opening parenthesis. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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July 11
Wikipedia:AFD Main Page
- Wikipedia:AFD Main Page → Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Shouldn't this redirect actually target Wikipedia:Articles for deletion since Wikipedia:AFD redirects there? Steel1943 (talk) 06:02, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep because articles linked from the main page cannot be taken to AfD. "Main Page" when used on Wikipedia usually refers to the Wikipedia main page. SSTflyer 07:47, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Thought this would have something to do with the perennial April Fool's Day joke of trying to nominate the Main Page for deletion. (Incidentally, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Main Page has been salted since last year). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 14:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. The pageview history would suggest that it is barely used even in the lead up to April Fools' Day. In any case anyone experienced to know/want to take part in April Fools' Day on Wikipedia can presumably find it by other means. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion per nom.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 22:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. The 90 days beginning at the Ides of March yields a grand total of 5 hits, so there isn't any interest in this redirect. I chose this range to see if there'd be a jump in usage on AFD (April Fool's Day), but didn't see any. I do think this redirect is sufficiently confusing since IMO it seems to describe an WP:AFD of the Main Page, which we don't have (thanks 210). -- Tavix (talk) 06:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Help:Collapsing.
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The full stop at the end of the redirect's title makes this seem like an unlikely misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Bedridden
- Bedridden → Pressure ulcer (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Pressure ulcers are not being bedridden. They are symptoms which can emerge from being bedridden — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:46, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to The Bedridden,add Wiktionary box. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:54, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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- User:AngusWOOF, that seems like an outright WP:EASTEREGG. Don't we want the least possible astonishment? And is a Wiktionary box appropriate on a hard redirect?— Gorthian (talk) 17:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete There is no plausible target; it's basically a dictionary definition. — Gorthian (talk) 16:03, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- Soft retarget over to this term's article at Wiktionary although I wouldn't really mind outright deletion as an alternative CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Soft redirect to Wiktionary per WP:NOTDIC and Template:Wiktionary Redirect.Gets 9 hits a day, and there isn't a good target on Wikipedia. Not sure redirecting to The Bedridden which is totally different from the meaning of the word "bedridden" and adding a Wiktionary box makes sense. The wiktionary redirect has a link to search Wikipedia for the title, so if they really were looking for the album, the search would presumably help them find it anyway. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:33, 4 July 2016 (UTC)- Turn it into stub as written by Siuenti. It gets hits and now it has an article, and links to relevant encylopedic content. Second choice is still the soft redirect. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:06, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, though I would support retargeting this to patient or disease if the concept of being bedridden was discussed at one of those articles. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:17, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- I made a tiny stub which links to bed rest and lying (position) which have relevant content. I think keeping it is better than the other options discussed, or maybe it could be merged to one of them. Siuenti (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- Well OK that was reverted but I still vote to stubify with that content. Siuenti (talk) 09:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Not sure if anyone is following this but this is what the stub said: "Being bedridden is a form of involuntary bed rest. Medical risks are associated with long term lying down, see lying (position)#Long-term risks.
One Indian study of care given to bedridden individuals at home found that family members made up 82% of caregivers. A high rate of complications was reported, including pressure ulcers and urinary tract infections.[1]s.[1]" Siuenti (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 21:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:bedridden, because it provides information on the concept, as there is no good target locally.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 22:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect per above. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Revert to the stub written by Siuenti. This is a common issue; lots has been written on the effects of long-term confinement to bed for medical reasons. Nyttend (talk) 01:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Shadow Kirby
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WP:NOTWIKIA. Not mentioned at the target article. Apparently a concept from Kirby & the Amazing Mirror, though it's not mentioned there either. --BDD (talk) 21:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:Coatbridge Irish
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The target of the redirect is not related to the Wikipedia project. The target is an article. (Per the redirect's edit history, this redirect was not created in error.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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1995-96 Mid-American Conference men's basketball standings
- 1995-96 Mid-American Conference men's basketball standings → Template:1995–96 Mid-American Conference men's basketball standings (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 21:03, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to List_of_Mid-American_Conference_champions#Basketball_.28men.27s.29 where at least the champoin is listed. Doesnt' look like there's a season page. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:35, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as there isn't a good retargeting option where someone can find the standings. -- Tavix (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Little keys
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Another Neelix word-origins redirect. No one calls the clavicle "little keys" Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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Nontechnologically
- Nontechnologically → Technology (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Nontechnological → Technology (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not quite sure if this is speedy-deletable Neelix garbage or if it might have some value. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Unless there's going to be an article about non-technology businesses, you could throw non- in front of any noun and make that a term. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 06:53, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary per WP:NOTDIC and Template:Wiktionary redirect since both get just under 4 hits a month. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. These are obscure word forms that don't get any meaningful use. -- Tavix (talk) 16:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
July 10
Summer ford
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I think this Neelix redirect should be retargeted to Summerford because there are two places named Summerford in Wikipedia. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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WPANATOMY-barnstar
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:23, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Kew liste
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VolleyballAt2016SummerOlympics
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 18#VolleyballAt2016SummerOlympics
Victoria Louise-class armored cruiser
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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User contrib CentralAuth simple
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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University of Rhode Island presidents
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Shameless tv show
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See WP:R#D6. Redirect to Shameless (UK TV series) or Shameless (U.S. TV series) or disambiguate. Stefan2 (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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4000 run / 200 wicket double
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:19, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Lower limb muscles
- Lower limb muscles → Template:Muscles of lower limb (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:18, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Human_leg#Muscles, which includes a section on hip muscles. Or DAB between the previous link and Muscles of the hip, both of which are included in the template's titlebar. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:04, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Taking a fresh look at this, it doesn't say 'lower human limb muscles' so is there maybe a broader section about bipedal animals we could point this to? Kangaroos also have lower limb muscles, right? Ranze (talk) 04:46, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The point of avoiding cross-namespace redirects is to avoid readers looking for encyclopaedic content from accidentally falling into project space, but the target here is a navigation template that exists to help readers find encyclopaedic content and a dab-page would simply duplicate the template, so there is no harm at all from the cross-namespace redirect, and no better (or even equal) target in the article namespace. Ranze's point about this not being restricted to humans is a good one, but it seems we do not have any content specifically about muscles in non-human animals (we have a handfull at most of articles like limbs of the horse that contain relevant information, but only as part of larger articles about specific species) - even lower limb redirects to human leg and the "Limb morphology" entry on template:Fins, limbs and wings points to comparative foot morphology which deals primarily with bone structure and exclusively with terrestrial vertebrates. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per Patar knight. -- Tavix (talk) 03:06, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
List of universities in Montenegro
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:17, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Lunalilo family tree
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Indian states rankings
- Indian states rankings → Template:Lists of states and territories of India (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See WP:R#D6. Note that this used to be an article. Stefan2 (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Template seems to include what anyone searching for this would want inside of one jumbled mess like the old article at this name. No real target for this except to create a list of all the entries on the template, but that's busywork. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:54, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Patar Knight and my comments on other R#D6 nominations. Thryduulf (talk) 11:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
New York education institutions
2016 FIVB-Rexona Ades roster
- 2016 FIVB-Rexona Ades roster → Template:2016 FIVB-Rexona Ades roster (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Rio_de_Janeiro_Vôlei_Clube#Team where information on the current and past rosters are. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. Thryduulf (talk) 11:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Template:Template:University of Rhode Island presidents
Closed discussion. Click "show" to expand. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6 - page unambiguously created in error as it was moved by it's original creator when they noticed. No need to clutter up RfD with these sorts of nominations, just tag them for speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC) |
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No need for a redirect with duplicate namespace. Stefan2 (talk) 17:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Template:1980–81 Big Ten ice hockey standings
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No need for a redirect with duplicate namespace. Stefan2 (talk) 17:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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1980–81 Big Ten ice hockey standings
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 17:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Maroon 6
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Redirect created by vandalism page move. The1337gamer (talk) 16:25, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Sampoerna Hijau
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Redirect create by vandalism from page move. No relation whatsoever to target. The1337gamer (talk) 16:24, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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The glitch pokemon missingno
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Implausible redirect. Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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21-1
- 21-1 → The Undertaker (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This refers to The Streak (wrestling). Is it a strong enough connection to overcome it's inherent vagueness? It's possible this could refer to other things, like January 21. -- Tavix (talk) 04:30, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment regarding the possibility of retargeting to January 21, it's worth noting that we've previously deleted MM-DD date redirects; see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014_October 22#Four calendar dates. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 12:19, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment 8 hits in the last 90 days [19]. The article needs to include the DVD collection Undertaker: The Streak 21-1 Coffin Box Set [20]. But other than being a PTM for the DVD set, there is nothing that indicates 21-1 is particularly notable. Bill Goldberg had a similar streak of 173 wins and that had a gimmick of being 173-0 and 173-1. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:27, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- It does get hits. Maybe retarget to The Streak (wrestling) if that's what it refers to and hatnote to the date? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Number
- Wikipedia:8 → Portal:Contents/Portals (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:6 → Portal:Contents/Glossaries (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:2 → Portal:Contents/Outlines (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Confusing redirects. What do these have to do with the targets? Stefan2 (talk) 12:38, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep all. See Wikipedia:Shortcut directory#Browsing the encyclopedia. Steel1943 (talk) 22:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep – they are all top-level navigation directories, and by extension, top-level shortcuts listed in the top section of the Shortcut directory. The Transhumanist 00:46, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Eight simple rules for editing our encyclopedia, Wikipedia:Six degrees of Wikipedia, and Wikipedia:Two prongs of notability, respectively. -- Tavix (talk) 04:04, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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- @Tavix: Just curious, have you seen the amount of incoming links to these redirects? Apparently, these redirects were formerly part of some sort of welcome template (that maybe no longer exists as these redirects have no incoming links in the "Template:" namespace) that was substituted on user talk pages, and thus, these redirects have more than 3000 incoming links each. Steel1943 (talk) 14:57, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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- The welcome message was User:TomasBat/Welcome. FWIW I'd dub that a "non-semantic usage" of the shortcut: people aren't linking to, e.g. WP:2 because they specifically wanted to talk about Portal:Contents/Outlines, they're linking to WP:2 in order to link to every one-letter/one-number redirect, and I doubt either the senders or the recipients cared or even knew exactly where those shortcuts went. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose keep per nominator. We should strongly discourage internal use of obscure & confusing shortcuts with no apparent relation to their targets. There are basically unused outside of that welcome message I mentioned above; e.g. from article talkspace, WP:2 has a grand total of one incoming link (by its creator) and the others have none. I'd be happy with retarget per Tavix, since if we delete them someone would probably recreate them with an even more confusing target. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget all per Tavix. We should probably discourage the further use of confusing redirects and actually use them for something useful. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:43, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: @Stefan2, Steel1943, The Transhumanist, Tavix, Patar knight, and 210.6.254.106: I'm going to list a couple more of the same nature (i.e. single number redirects to Portal:Contents subpages) below that should also be considered. The keeps will seemingly equally apply, but new potential targets could be suggested on the retarget side.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Godsy(TALKCONT) 03:27, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:7 → Portal:Contents/Overviews (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:9 → Portal:Contents/Categories (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
7 and 9 added to the nomination.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 03:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Aww, I was wanting to retarget them boldly. Retarget to Wikipedia:Seven Ages of Wikipedians and Wikipedia:WikiProject Nine Inch Nails (the target of WP:NINE). -- Tavix (talk) 03:48, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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- @Godsy: Thanks for fixing my bullet. Just so you're aware, WP:PING doesn't work within the relist template and IP's can't get pinged. -- Tavix (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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- I was wondering whether or not it worked within that template, thanks Tavix. @Stefan2, Steel1943, The Transhumanist, and Patar knight: Please see above.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 04:01, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget. No opinion on where these should go, but deleting shortcuts just because they're obscure or unusual isn't a problem in projectspace; if people decide that WP:NGFO (to hit a few random characters) gets a lot of use as a shortcut for Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Cesar Tort and Ombudsman vs others (to pick one of the longest projectspace names I could find), it doesn't hurt anything. Unless someone wants to use WP:2 for some other purpose, as is being suggested here, there's no reason to take it away from its established Portal:Contents/Outlines target. Nyttend (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Lisie Hospital, Ernakulam
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Page moved from here only_nonsense (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Regions khanate
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Fine arts movie
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It'a unclear what this redirect refers to. Apparently, this may be a rough term for Film, but it's a rather unlikely search term if it is. Steel1943 (talk) 19:53, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Obdurately
- Obdurately → Stubborn (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a procedural relisting from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 3#Obdurate. Note that Obdurate is now a disambiguation. -- Tavix (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Pinging those (with accounts) who participated in the previous discussion: KDS4444, Softlavender, Nyttend, De728631, Patar knight, AngusWOOF, Uanfala, Boleyn -- Tavix (talk) 01:25, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Disambiguation looks OK to me. Softlavender (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- There's no point in keeping it redirected to Stubborn as there's nothing relevant at target. It's either delete or soft redirect to wiktionary per Patar knight's comment in the previous discussion. Is there consensus on the lower threshold of pageviews for creating a soft redirect? To me, five views per month looks borderline. Uanfala (talk) 12:09, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete My sense is that no one is going to enter the word "obdurate" as a search term and be pleased to arrive at "stubborn" as its redirect ("Oh! Of course! What I really meant was 'HMS Stubborn'! I thought it was the HMS Obdurate!"). I don't see a purpose in having a redirect to a synonym disambig page that only relates to the original term thesaurically (?). Are there topics under "Stubborn" which deserve a Wikipedia article? Absolutely. Are there terms under the disambig page for "Stubborn" that are legitimate alternate terms for "obdurate"? (Little Miss Obdurate, Louis the Obdurate). No. -KDS4444 (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect per previous RfD; gets 6 hits a month and the DAB page for obdurate is not related to the adverb form at all. Per the page view tool's FAQ, this is all actual readers, not webcrawlers or other robots. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:47, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Obdurate, add to the wiktionary entry on that DAB page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget and Wiktionary exactly per AngusWOOF. — Gorthian (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, largely per KDS4444 since Wikipedia doesn't have anything that could be considered "obdurately." There's the word, but we're not a dictionary, and per {{wi}}, a Wiktionary redirect needs to be something people search for on Wikipedia, and the stats show that people aren't searching for it at any meaningful level. -- Tavix (talk) 02:53, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
July 9
KTM Port Klang Line trial route
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See WP:R#D6. Stefan2 (talk) 21:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Godsy(TALKCONT) 22:16, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Lists of cheeses
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I created all of these. A redirect of the exact same nature that I created on the same day (i.e. October 4, 2015) as these was speedied early today per CSD#R3. At the time I presume my line of thinking was that these were reasonable {{r from alternative capitalization}}s (RTYPO was probably considered as well; RCAPS wasn't codified until two weeks later). While there isn't a particular affinity for this error in relation to cheese, and the search engine currently isn't case sensitive (neither of which are particularly strong deletion rationales), I've seen redirects along these lines kept (WP:CHEAP/WP:NOHARM). Should these be retained or deleted?—Godsy(TALKCONT) 21:20, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy theories
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BLP violation, not a sensible redirect. There are no doubt many conspiracy theories about the Muslim Brotherhood; a Google search for Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy theory returns a whole bunch of bizarre claims and conspiracies. Redirecting this phrase to a single incident in a single person's biography is flagrantly unwarranted. Why not Barack Obama or Frank Gaffney or any number of other people associated with Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy theories? NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wnco.com
- Wnco.com → Southwest Airlines (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This website isn't mentioned at all at the target, and it appears to be defunct. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:10, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This was an email address domain used by Southwest Airlines, but was never really listed up front for southwest like iflyswa.com. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Why does this redirect get so many hits if it's defunct? There are seven a day, even before this RFD. — Gorthian (talk) 18:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
- Southwest are still listing wnco.com e-mail addresses in recent releases, e.g. a Form 8-K from last week [21]. I guess people are wondering why it isn't working and whether it really has anything to do with Southwest? FWIW the domain name is registered until 2018. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete.
Keep. With so many hits, this is obviously useful.(Thanks, 210.6.254.106.) — Gorthian (talk) 01:09, 14 July 2016 (UTC) - Keep per IP and Gorthian. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 11:18, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- Not sure, leaning towards delete. It is common for organisations to have different domain names for their websites and for employee emails, and it is not uncommon for the email domain name to have no HTTP functionality. Another example off the top of my head is Tonbridge School which uses http://www.tonbridge-school.co.uk for their website but tonbridge-school.org (no HTTP functionality) for emails. I think what we've established is that wnco.com is almost certainly owned and operated by Southwest Airlines. But alongside many past deleted domain name redirects, I don't see much value in redirecting all domain names owned by a company; indeed RfD has deleted some in the past, where the subsidiary or the regional operation connected to the domain name isn't discussed at the target. But I'm unsure about a domain name for the main company. Probably delete, again because it isn't mentioned at the target. Deryck C. 12:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Blogsouthwest.com
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Delete since Wikipedia is not a blog, so there isn't and shouldn't be discussion of Southwest's blog website at their article. -- Tavix (talk) 17:44, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Bloodless
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"Bloodless" can refer to a number of concepts -- I recommend deletion. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:28, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It looks like the question is whether this should be soft redirected to Wiktionary or deleted. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Ditto (Pokèmon)
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The proper spelling of Pokémon uses this é. Using è results in this being an implausible redirect. There are no pages that link to this. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:51, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Liberation of Iraq
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Completely unnecessary redirect from a heavily (fringe) POV, rather inane and politically extreme/far-right term. We don't have "liberation of Poland" as a redirect to Invasion of Poland either. The term liberation is sometimes used when a country/territory that has been under foreign occupation is retaken by its original government and/or their allies. It is never used in the case of an unprovoked and criminal war of aggression against a sovereign country in violation of international law that results in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and systematic war crimes by the aggressor-perpetrators, and strong and mounting[23] calls for putting the aggressor-states' leaders on trial for war crimes. Tataral (talk) 06:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:CSC/ECE 517 Spring 2016/ Functional Tests for Questionnaire Controller
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It's unclear how the target page relates to any active or formerly active part of the Wikipedia namespace. The creator of the target page's most recent edit was moving the page to the redirect's title in March 2016. It seems that whatever the purpose of the target is/was, it never happened on Wikipedia as the redirect is titled "Spring 2016". Also, on Wikipedia, the redirect's title could be seen as misleading since this page does not relate to the target of Wikipedia:CSC. Steel1943 (talk) 04:03, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
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July 6
Wikipedia:BetaWiki
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Possibly misleading WP:XNR since the redirect's target is an article. That, and BetaWiki already exists. Steel1943 (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:BentonCompPAGE
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Target is not a project page or user essay. Steel1943 (talk) 22:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Bay Area Wikixalon
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"Wikixalon" seems like too implausible of a misspelling, even for retargeting to Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Teacher of philosophy
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Wikipedia:MISS
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These two redirects are very similar in use, and go to similarly titled articles. There should be consistency here. (In addition, MISS could plausibly go to the Mississippi WikiProject.) MelanieLamont (talk) 06:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:08, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Television
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WP:SURPRISE. Wikipedia:WikiProject Television is a more logical place to point this, following Wikipedia:TV. Looking an incoming uses suggests users are making this mistake. There's already a hatnote at the WikiProject page to the WikiTV one. BDD (talk) 16:06, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Nάνα
The first letter is Latin N. The properly spelt Νάνα also exists (although it was created a year later than the misspelt one) so it's conceivable this could have been an intentional {{R from misspelling}}
. Redirects with misspellings that mix Latin with Cyrillic or Greek letters have their place here (like "CCCP" (all Latin) redirecting to USSR, which in Russian is spelt in Russian as "СССР" (all Cyrillic)). But in this case there's a mix of recognisably Greek letters with a Latin letter. Of course, these can come up as typoes if you don't time well enough the switching of your keyboard layout when typing. But the cases where this can happen are extremely numerous, this is something that should ideally be dealt with by the search engine (even if it doesn't seem up to the task at present), and if we started making redirects to take care of these what we'll end up with will be a veritable mess. Delete seems most sensible. Uanfala (talk) 15:42, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nana (Greek mythology). If it's a possible typo, then there's no harm in keeping it. But there's only one article on the DAB page Nana that a Greek version of the name would apply to, so that should be the target. (I already retargeted the other redirect, Νάνα, to Nana (Greek mythology).) — Gorthian (talk) 21:32, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- It can also refer to Nana (given name). Anyway, this typo does not seem like a useful one for an English-speaker, so I support deletion. Gorobay (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- There is no Νάνα in the name article, whereas Νάνα is explicitly mentioned in Nana (Greek mythology).
- Did you read the article? It is a Greek name and that is how it is spelled. It shouldn’t matter whether it is written in Greek letters or not. Gorobay (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- I read the introduction to Nana (given name), which begins: Nana is a given name that has different origins in several countries across the world. I took that to mean that it isn't Greek per se. — Gorthian (talk) 22:49, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Did you read the article? It is a Greek name and that is how it is spelled. It shouldn’t matter whether it is written in Greek letters or not. Gorobay (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- There is no Νάνα in the name article, whereas Νάνα is explicitly mentioned in Nana (Greek mythology).
- It can also refer to Nana (given name). Anyway, this typo does not seem like a useful one for an English-speaker, so I support deletion. Gorobay (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget per Gorthian. Seems like the best target.---- Patar knight - chat /contributions 16:53, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per my comment at the other discussion below. I don't see any plausibility that someone would switch keyboards in the middle of typing a word. -- Tavix (talk) 18:33, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:40, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Eπανάσταση (Mixed Latin/Greek letters)
- Eπανάσταση → (suggested move to) → Επανάσταση (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was a redirect created in error: its fist letter is Latin E and the rest are unmistakably Greek. It can't have been an intentional {{R from misspelling}}
as the properly typed redirect Επανάσταση doesn't exist. We would want to create the proper redirect and delete the misspelt one, and the best way I can imagine of doing it, as suggested above, is by moving without leaving behind a redirect (in order to keep the page history).
There are 20 or so more redirects like these (where the first letter is Latin and the rest are Greek or Cyrillic) and I'm trying to gauge the best way to handle them. If it's best to move them (as I suggest), then maybe they can most efficiently be dealt with by a bulk request at WP:RM#TR (technical moves). An alternative, which I've tried on a couple of these, is moving them myself and then requesting the speedy deletion of the leftover redirect per WP:G6.
Uanfala (talk) 10:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep What I'm noticing is in that every one of these, it's the initial letter that is ambiguous. I, for one, cannot see any difference between "MЛПУ" and "МЛПУ". I can easily imagine someone starting to type with the Latin letter, switching to Greek for the rest, and not noticing any difference. Why not go ahead and create the non-mixed-alphabet versions of these redirects, so we can cover both the Greek-keyboard user and the user who switches keyboards? I see no harm in letting these be. — Gorthian (talk) 21:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
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- One reason not to create redirects like these is that not a single one of them seems to have been created on purpose. Of course, the fact that they were created by mistake indicates such mistakes are possible, and I would definitely back up any sensible proposal to deal with such typos as I myself make them often enough. However, doing that by creating redirects is unworkable. In the Cyrillic scripts, one third of all letters are complete Latin lookalikes, and these are also among the most frequently used ones. Layout-switching errors affect not only the first character in a word, but also longer strings both at the beginning and at the end (and sometimes isolated ones in the middle). What this means is that for every single Cyrillic redirect we'll have to create at least half a dozen mixed-script redirects to cover only the most plausible switching errors. This would be extremely laborious, and it will be pointless as well: the sensible way to handle that is through the search engine. It's much easier to implement a simple rule to detect and fix mixed-script strings, than to create tens of thousands of extra redirects. Uanfala (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- No, I'm not suggesting that we create any more of this type of redirect, any more than we create redirects for all possible typos in English, but that we leave the ones that exist alone. These could have been created by someone that actually made the typo, then just made the redirect out of it for convenience. If so, then someone finds them useful.— Gorthian (talk)
- It's very unlikely that an editor would deliberately create redirects with a certain typo when not even in a single case have they (or anyone else) created the corresponding redirect without the typo. Uanfala (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- It is quite likely if they didn't realize it was a typo.— Gorthian (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- My point precisely! The typos in these redirects can't be there on purpose. Uanfala (talk) 19:17, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- If a typo happened once, it can happen again, so the redirects are useful as they are, even though they were created accidentally.. — Gorthian (talk) 22:55, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, but we don't keep every single accidentally created redirect (a case in point is the recent discussion about Divided W Fall. There exists a threshold of plausibility for typos. Uanfala (talk) 11:30, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- If a typo happened once, it can happen again, so the redirects are useful as they are, even though they were created accidentally.. — Gorthian (talk) 22:55, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- My point precisely! The typos in these redirects can't be there on purpose. Uanfala (talk) 19:17, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- It is quite likely if they didn't realize it was a typo.— Gorthian (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's very unlikely that an editor would deliberately create redirects with a certain typo when not even in a single case have they (or anyone else) created the corresponding redirect without the typo. Uanfala (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- No, I'm not suggesting that we create any more of this type of redirect, any more than we create redirects for all possible typos in English, but that we leave the ones that exist alone. These could have been created by someone that actually made the typo, then just made the redirect out of it for convenience. If so, then someone finds them useful.— Gorthian (talk)
- One reason not to create redirects like these is that not a single one of them seems to have been created on purpose. Of course, the fact that they were created by mistake indicates such mistakes are possible, and I would definitely back up any sensible proposal to deal with such typos as I myself make them often enough. However, doing that by creating redirects is unworkable. In the Cyrillic scripts, one third of all letters are complete Latin lookalikes, and these are also among the most frequently used ones. Layout-switching errors affect not only the first character in a word, but also longer strings both at the beginning and at the end (and sometimes isolated ones in the middle). What this means is that for every single Cyrillic redirect we'll have to create at least half a dozen mixed-script redirects to cover only the most plausible switching errors. This would be extremely laborious, and it will be pointless as well: the sensible way to handle that is through the search engine. It's much easier to implement a simple rule to detect and fix mixed-script strings, than to create tens of thousands of extra redirects. Uanfala (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep all as plausible redirects for when people switch between keyboards (especially on mobile). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:54, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep all, and create the "proper" redirects as well. StAnselm (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- Given that the opinions here seem to be swaying towards a keep vote, it's worth pointing to the three similar redirects I had had deleted by WP:G6: Eμβισαρoς, Aγία Σοφία, Aντιoχίς, should anyone wish to restore them. Uanfala (talk) 10:56, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, this seems to fall under the "pages unambiguously created in error" point under G6. If it was uncontroversial (which it's obviously not), I probably would have recommended speedy deletion. I don't see the use for something like this. Sure, it would benefit someone switching keyboards, but who does that in the middle of a word, and more importantly, in the exact same place as this? This would fall in the implausible typo category. -- Tavix (talk) 13:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Move to Επανάσταση as suggested - nobody is ever going to type a Latin E followed by Greek letters, so this is clearly an implausible typo.--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 22:00, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all. These redirects are {{R from foreign language}} AND {{R from misspelling}} AND the equivalent correct redirects without mixed script don't exist. These points combined suggest that the redirects serve little purpose. Sampling some of the page histories, it seems that most of them were erroneously created, so we shouldn't keep them. Deryck C. 16:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Jeopardisers
- Jeopardisers → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardiser → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardising → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardised → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardises → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardise → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardizers → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardizer → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardizing → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardized → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardizes → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jeopardize → Endangerment (links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should Jeopardy and related forms really point to endangerment? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all not a dictionary. Not likely term to link. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:19, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary "Jeopardize", "Jeopardise", "Jeopardized", "and "Jeopardizing" get 1165 hits, 497 hits, 145 hits, and 123 hits over the last 11 months. "Jeopardised", "Jeopardizes", "Jeopardising", and "Jeopardises" get 70, 52, 47, and 22 hits over the last 11 months. These are all being used at least twice a month and should be soft redirected per WP:NOTDIC and Template:Wiktionary Redirect if the consensus is not to keep. "Jeopardiser", "Jeopardizer", "Jeopardisers", and "Jeopardizers" get 21, 15, 14, and 12 hits over the last 11 months and thus are more borderline, but are all getting at least a hit per month, so could also be soft redirected. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 08:02, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Patar knight, I'm sure Template:Wiktionary redirect's "readers search for it" is intentionally vague, but do you really think two hits a month qualifies? That's absolutely noise level: at the most two actual human beings, in reality probably one or none, trying them in an average month. And who knows why? They may just see it pop up in the search box suggestions and get curious. --BDD (talk) 15:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- BDD, I would redirect anything with two hits a month or more, while pages with between 1–2 hits are possibly redirected based on how commonly used the word is and how simple the changes to the base word are (e.g. a word that seems widely used in reliable sources would get redirected and something that adds just a "-er" to the base word is usually a far more likely search than adding an "re-" to the start and an "-istically" to the end.). If you click on the Agent drop-down menu, this new page view tool divides views into actual users, spiders (i.e. web crawlers), and bots, so unless the tool is inaccurate, these are in fact real users looking up the word. Redirects are cheap and if they're helping out a reader or two a month, that's fine with me. In any case, 7 of the 12 redirects in this RfD are getting more than 4 hits per month, while the top for get between 10 and 100 hits a month. Those should certainly be soft redirected, since the Jeopardy (disambiguation) page is entirely unrelated to this meaning of this word and thus a poor target. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Patar knight, I'm sure Template:Wiktionary redirect's "readers search for it" is intentionally vague, but do you really think two hits a month qualifies? That's absolutely noise level: at the most two actual human beings, in reality probably one or none, trying them in an average month. And who knows why? They may just see it pop up in the search box suggestions and get curious. --BDD (talk) 15:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary -- The Anome (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - two hits a month could be a crawler. There's no need to essentially replicate a dictionary inside the encyclopedia. MSJapan (talk) 00:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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- The pageviews tool's FAQ says that the default page views setting does not include spiders (i.e. web crawlers). Those two hits a month are from actual users. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- delete all. If a user can not search for a altrernate form of a word they do not need an encyclopedia they need to finish second grade. (i.e., we do not need to spoon feed readers, readers are not idiots) - Nabla (talk) 23:15, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Jeopardy (disambiguation) where the reader will find relevant information, including a link to wikt:jeopardy. Yes we should spoon-feed the reader where there is something appropriate to spoon-feed them. Deryck C. 13:24, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Deryck, the Jeopardy (disambiguation) page seems to be entirely links to TV shows and songs named Jeopardy and then a see also link to double jeopardy. The thing most useful to the people searching the terms in this RfD is probably the wiktionary box, so wouldn't it makes sense to just soft redirect? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- I still think people who search for these words will be looking for a general article on the concept of "jeopardy" (which we don't have). So we should give them a Wiktionary link for "jeopardy", which is at Jeopardy (disambiguation), which I still think is preferable to individual Wiktionary redirects. Second choice Wiktionary redirect per Patar knight. Deryck C. 16:43, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Deryck, the Jeopardy (disambiguation) page seems to be entirely links to TV shows and songs named Jeopardy and then a see also link to double jeopardy. The thing most useful to the people searching the terms in this RfD is probably the wiktionary box, so wouldn't it makes sense to just soft redirect? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment there isn't an article about danger but there is relevant content at risk. Siuenti (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary per Patar knight. Redirects are cheap and if people are hitting these pages then they are useful. Retargeting to risk would be my second choice. PaleAqua (talk) 23:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 00:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all, WP:NOT a dictionary. —Kusma (t·c) 08:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Kusma: NOTDIC and Template:Wiktionary redirect actually recommend that pages that can only be dictionary definitions and have no good on-wiki but have a corresponding Wiktionary page and readers who search for it on Wikipedia should be soft redirected there. "Jeopardize" and "Jeopardise" get 3 and 2 hits a day while "Jeopardized", "and "Jeopardizing" both get more than 10 hits a month. "Jeopardised", "Jeopardizes", "Jeopardising", and "Jeopardises" get between 3 and 8 hits a month. Where is your cutoff for "readers search for it on Wikipedia"? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 11:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary at least the first four listed by Patar knight, (and possibly the rest too) as we should help readers whenever there isn't anything this gets in the way of. Uanfala (talk) 13:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all per WP:NOTDIC, except for Jeopardize and Jeopardise, which I feel are common enough word forms. I prefer Jeopardy (disambiguation) per Deryck. -- Tavix (talk) 18:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete With such small amounts of hits, I wonder how many of these come from readers just playing around in the search box. Anyone intentionally looking for these specific, unusual word forms is probably looking for something more than the general idea of jeopardy or endangerment. And if so, that's content we don't have. --BDD (talk) 17:11, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 15:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep jeopardize and jeopardise as plausible synonyms; delete the rest. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete all – No benefit to keep. — JFG talk 23:01, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Enkephalos
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Delete. “Εγκέφαλος” means ‘brain’, not ‘midbrain’. It should not be retargeted to Brain because brains are not specifically Greek. Gorobay (talk) 15:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Assault weapons legislation
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The target article's title suffers from a problem I described at Wikipedia:In the United States. Extensive previous discussion about renaming it makes me think such a proposal would be unlikely to succeed this time around, so I propose dealing with these instead. Deleting per WP:REDLINK might be desirable. We could also retarget to Overview of gun laws by nation, where phrases like Gun laws redirect, though I don't know how much that would satisfy readers. Only the sections on Japan and New Zealand (not even the US!) mention assault weapons. Assault weapons ban (disambiguation) is worth considering too. Maybe a better candidate for a WP:CONCEPTDAB, but could move to the base title if the redirect is deleted. I would support almost any change here. --BDD (talk) 14:52, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 13#猫
N Kress
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Delete per WP:XY since there are two people surnamed "Kress" with a given name beginning with "N.:" Nancy Kress and Nathan Kress. Without evidence of either of them going by "N. Kress," I also think this should be deleted per WP:R#D8. -- Tavix (talk) 14:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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WEEKLY SHONEN JUMP
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Implausible redirect left over after an old page move. We already have Weekly Shonen Jump. I would have tagged this as speedy G6 but the page is protected. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Young Money (group)
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Its a false name Igotrekt (talk) 14:00, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks,
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Unlikely search term due to the comma at the end of the redirect's title. Steel1943 (talk) 12:30, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Attention Span and the Internet
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Probably inappropriate redirect since the targeting about the user's objectives and not a community essay. Steel1943 (talk) 05:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Foreign language redirects to Wikipedia:Article Feedback Tool
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No incoming links, alternative language to English. WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 04:29, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles about drugs
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The target of the redirect isn't about any type of list of articles about drugs (or information about drug notability, etc.), but rather a WikiProject. Steel1943 (talk) 01:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Heccccchluuug
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Delete, this seems like novel or obscure onomatopoeia for vomiting. -- Tavix (talk) 00:18, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Jimmy Two
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This seems to be a novel or obscure way to refer to James II. Most of my hits are WP:PTMs for Jimmy Two-Shoes or Jimmy Two Times. -- Tavix (talk) 00:03, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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