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Contents
- 1 In the Media: Washington Post
- 2 Please rename the article Berlin Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra
- 3 ReferenceTooltips update
- 4 An update on gender representation
- 5 Pronouns
- 6 Wikimedia Summit 2019
- 7 An interesting article about polarized crowds and Wikipedia
- 8 What's the oldest hatnote on wikipedia?
- 9 URL shortener for wikimedia projects
- 10 News coverage of a vandal
- 11 Suggestion by Headbomb (2019-04-07)
- 12 Harassment coverage
- 13 Suggestion by Headbomb (2019-04-08)
- 14 NYT piece on harassment
- 15 Essay suggestion
- 16 Suggestion by The C of E (2019-04-10)
- 17 Template:Newsletters
In the Media: Washington Post
Nice short article celebrating WP Day in the Washington Post: Happy 18th birthday, Wikipedia. Let’s celebrate the Internet’s good grown-up One of the few articles I've seen in a major news outlet that acknowledges the work A+F has and is doing to redress gender imbalance. And a nice shoutout to jim.henderson! - kosboot (talk) 01:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
WaPo at us again: History has a massive gender bias. We'll settle for fixing Wikipedia Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Please rename the article Berlin Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra
Hello,
I do apologize if this request must be addressed in other dialogues, however there is a problem need to be solved.
Please be so kind to rename https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Philharmonic_Chamber_Orchestra.
The title is wrong. The correct one is Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra Berlin, but not Berlin Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra.
I regret it is not possible to rename this manually (the Move option is disabled).
Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkaralahti (talk • contribs) 05:43, February 12, 2019 (UTC)
- @Hkaralahti: WP:WRONGFORUM. Please see Wikipedia:Requested moves. -Indy beetle (talk) 18:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Also please sign your posts with ~~~~ — pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 20:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
ReferenceTooltips update
There should probably be a mention of the recent changes to the ReferenceTooltips gadget by User:Jack_who_built_the_house. ReferenceTooltips now supports Harvard-style citations, and the animations were updated to be consistent with Page Previews'. --Yair rand (talk) 07:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
An update on gender representation
In light of Women's History Month in March, would be nice to have an update on gender representation both among Wikipedia's biographies and among its editorship. I've seen upcoming edit-a-thons citing statistics from close to a decade ago, so I'm curious if/how things have materially changed since then. Such a feature would have the benefit of doubling as an update for our Gender bias on Wikipedia, which reads as proseline and could afford to be more synthetic. czar 14:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- A potential place to start: wikimania2018:Program/Research on gender gap in Wikipedia: What do we know so far? (see slides) czar 14:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- I don't disagree, but I think there has been reasonable coverage by the Signpost over the years, & adapting the stuff into the article is the most important. WIR can help, I'm sure. Johnbod (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Pronouns
Tony has suggested we may wish to respond to to humour piece by SMcCandlish and Barbara (WVS).
Presuming the piece which mocks pronouns will avoid deletion, I suggest a humorous response in the next Signpost that targets the abuse that LGBT+ contributors have had over the last couple of years. I'm sure there would be sufficient case studies, especially reading through the more ignorant comments in Arbcom cases that make the top 10. I recall the hilarious fisting comment that someone made in the case against me, you know to reinforce how queer I am must deserve a joke about sodomy, and there are past delightfully ignorant comments about how to describe transgender people that should be good for a few chuckles by the average non-LGBT+ identifying Wikipedian. Coincidentally this may help the wider public have a more honest view of our Wikimedia community, rather than the faux lovely collaborative friendly haven that gets painted at wikimeets and in official WMF videos full of young people having fun and "being themselves".
Thoughts? --Fæ (talk) 15:00, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Fæ: Thanks for acknowledging that Wikipedia is meant to serve people like me: the
"old straight white"
man, cis-gendered, over-educated, and comfortable. This isn't Conservapedia but it will have to do. I don't think there will be any interest in your piece but we appreciate all suggestions. You and Tony might start a draft. The Signpost is constantly asking for contributors and you are welcome, as is everyone regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Fæ, how many places do you intend to make the same point? Are ten pages enough? A hundred? Please stop this behavior. You appear to be attempting to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- What say we compromise on a future WHERE YOU QUIT SPAMMING? That world would be at least a little better. Then we could improve the world even more and have a future where you aren't trying to get SMcCandlish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) fired from his position as a WMF Tech Ambassador[1] just because you don't like his opinions. I'm just saying.
- CoC, and whether a person incredibly insensitive to respectful treatment of queer people should be trusted with the WMF brand, is not a matter for discussion on this project. It is foolish to call basic issues of governance spamming. If you don't like it, follow your own free advice, don't read it, it's not even on this project. --Fæ (talk) 00:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- Guy Macon obviously means WP:FORUMSHOPPING, in more "WP:something"-specific terms. And going on and on and on about the same thing at new page after new page, because you're not WP:WINNING in the previous ones, certainly qualifies (it's also WP:Tendentious editing). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- CoC, and whether a person incredibly insensitive to respectful treatment of queer people should be trusted with the WMF brand, is not a matter for discussion on this project. It is foolish to call basic issues of governance spamming. If you don't like it, follow your own free advice, don't read it, it's not even on this project. --Fæ (talk) 00:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- In Fae's defense, RIGHTGREATWRONGS does not apply to Signpost content. After all, if one took the perspective of the aforementioned Humor article, it could be seen as PREVENTINGGREATWRONGS (that's my interpretation of the comments section, because I haven't been able to view the proper article). I am all for controversial humor, but it appears this subject should be dealt with in the more serious Op-ed form first. Unless all we want to do is ignite a firestorm. -Indy beetle (talk) 22:49, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- It's simply not true that GREATWRONGS only applies to in-article content; all of WP:TE applies site-wide, and it is regularly enforced at ANI, AE, etc., against talk-page and project-space disruption. However, it's unlikely to be applicable to an essay published in The Signpost in the first place, since it is for editorial content, and the piece envisioned sounds relevant to WP editing and the community. That is, this wouldn't be under GREATWRONGS, but because writing an opinion essay in a venue for opinion essays isn't tendentiousness, not because of what namespaces someone wrongly imagines GREATWRONGS can't apply to. There is actual tendentiousness here, but it's in Fæ's pattern of harping on the issue at page after page until they get "satisfaction" (they hope), a behavioral problem that got them long-term topic banned before and probably will again real soon now. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- Um, I did not say "GREATWRONGS only applies to in-article content". My reasoning for why it wouldn't apply to The Signpost is the exact same as yours. -Indy beetle (talk) 22:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- It's simply not true that GREATWRONGS only applies to in-article content; all of WP:TE applies site-wide, and it is regularly enforced at ANI, AE, etc., against talk-page and project-space disruption. However, it's unlikely to be applicable to an essay published in The Signpost in the first place, since it is for editorial content, and the piece envisioned sounds relevant to WP editing and the community. That is, this wouldn't be under GREATWRONGS, but because writing an opinion essay in a venue for opinion essays isn't tendentiousness, not because of what namespaces someone wrongly imagines GREATWRONGS can't apply to. There is actual tendentiousness here, but it's in Fæ's pattern of harping on the issue at page after page until they get "satisfaction" (they hope), a behavioral problem that got them long-term topic banned before and probably will again real soon now. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- Just when I was worried that you might have stopped trying to stir up drama... Natureium (talk) 23:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- I lack Fæ's censorious impulse, so I have no opposition to this idea (though I'm not sure which Tony is being referred to, and Fæ dragging this micro-crusade all across en.WP and to Meta and to Wikipedia-L and who knows where else is a tendentiousness and forum-shopping problem). I think such a Signpost essay will be a failure if it dwells on going after my essay, instead of focusing on the actual problem Fæ wants to highlight ("the abuse that LGBT+ contributors have had over the last couple of years", though I don't know what special significance a time-frame that specific is supposed to have), because my piece wasn't abuse of LGBT+ contributors, no matter how hard Fæ tries to spin it as such. (For one thing, the assumption that I'm not within the LGBT+ umbrella is false, though I don't go into details about such matters in places like this, as it's rather unseemly to dwell on sexual preferences here.) An essay that actually focused on its real topic would probably be successful and potentially useful, whether done as a serious piece or a humor one. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- As already noted, the March's Humor Chronicle has already been written and largely published. Concerning the April's one, an empty page, tagged with <this page has been intentionally left blank> seems to be a good candidate. Life itself is the most humorous source of humor, isn't it ? Pldx1 (talk) 09:46, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- So much of what we think of as humor depends on delivery and vocal inflection. One can't simply transcribe such humor and expect it to be understood or have the same effect. People wanting to write humor have to go back to humorous authors like P.G. Wodehouse and Dorothy Parker to understand how to write something humorous that won't be misunderstood. - kosboot (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Wikimedia Summit 2019
I'll be in attendance as an affiliate member and would be happy to provide some reporting. Since I'm a participant, my viewpoint won't exactly be neutral, but I'd be happy to write up a little something if there's a need. Airplaneman ✈ 00:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Airplaneman, certainly! Eddie891 Talk Work 01:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
An interesting article about polarized crowds and Wikipedia
Thought this might be on interest to Signpost... http://nautil.us/issue/70/variables/wikipedia-and-the-wisdom-of-polarized-crowds --Hammersoft (talk) 19:37, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- We already covered this research (back then in preprint form) in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-02-20/Recent research. Regards. Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
What's the oldest hatnote on wikipedia?
Occasionally I will delete a hatnote, often "citation needed" but sometimes old ones like "introduction needs expanding", that is five or more years old, and which has long become irrelevant due to edits, but which has lingered on like the Coelacanth. (For some reason, otherwise edit-happy wikipedians are shy about deleting hatnotes.)
This has led me to wonder: What's the oldest hatnote still on an article in wikipedia? I have no idea how to find out, but perhaps some clever Signpostian would know. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:33, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- If not, the help desk is often a good place to get answers to this sort of question. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
URL shortener for wikimedia projects
@DannyS712 and Evad37: Special:Permalink/890765568#URL shortener for the Wikimedia projects will be available on April 11th, for the next tech report. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:42, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 18:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: Added to the draft --DannyS712 (talk) 21:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
News coverage of a vandal
This was something I read several weeks ago in an actual newspaper. I was able to find it online. Someone edited Wikipedia many years ago with a hoax that became "accepted as faxt".— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:43, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Suggestion by Headbomb (2019-04-07)
The Signpost should write about... Wikipedia:Talk pages consultation 2019, which have now concluded. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Harassment coverage
Unfortunately, true, as I'm actually dealing with a bit of this myself at the moment. Anyway, probably worth mentioning in the next issue:
---Another Believer (Talk) 16:53, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Suggestion by Headbomb (2019-04-08)
There are many Portals-related discussion, but this is a big one.Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
NYT piece on harassment
- Jacobs, Julia (8 April 2019). "Wikipedia Isn't Officially a Social Network. But the Harassment Can Get Ugly". The New York Times. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Essay suggestion
The Signpost should feature Wikipedia:Notability comparison test in its essay section for the April 2019 edition. Yes, I know that I am the author of this essay, but I really think that it is good enough to be featured. VarunSoon (talk) 06:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- That is a page that will not be able to be understood by anyone but logicians and mathematicians. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 10:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb:
- Usual parsing: this proposition is false since I consider myself neither a logician nor a mathematician and yet I am able to understand it.
- Charitable interpretation: Not enough people would be able to understand it.
- Response: Last time I check, I explain the background and context of the essay in great details, and I did write an informal statement of the test. This essay is of historical (Wikipedia) significance because it concerns a type of argument that was used in past deletion discussions. Its purpose is to vindicate such an argument. The proof is for people who are not convinced. Also, this essay is better than no essay at all. VarunSoon (talk) 03:53, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @VarunSoon: You may not consider yourself a logician, but you have studied formal logic at one point. Walk to anyone in the street and ask what
- or
- ,
- where is a notability function whose domain is a Wikipedia article and whose range is the set of natural numbers ℕ*, and is the set of articles worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.
- means and you'll get blank stares. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Simply my own testimony here, but my eyes water at those functions. -Indy beetle (talk) 04:06, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: This still does not change the fact that the proposition is false. Also, in the essay, I wrote English first before the symbolization. The symbolization and the proof are extra materials. VarunSoon (talk) 04:08, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Extra materials which are unscrutable, unreviewable, and completely inaccessible. What you wrote could very well be true. But for all we know, you could also have written the equivalent of 2 + 2 = Orange 2%
, something that's not even wrong because we cannot cannot understand what you are writing. The Signpost isn't a logic journal. We write for a general audience, and this essay, whatever it is supposed to be, isn't directed to the general audience. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)- @Headbomb:...Hmm, either I have overestimated something or you have not read the English part of the essay at all. VarunSoon (talk) 04:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'll put it this way, I can't make it past the first sentence before having to look something up. And when I reach "Initial argument: It is the case that P, because of justification J.", I know I don't need to read more, because there is no point in reading something that is not designed to be understood. Print the essay, go to your local coffee shop, and see how fast people stop reading. I guarantee you they'll have given up before reaching "Ad hominem tu quoque". Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:51, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: Have you ever used variables and placeholders? Okay, I get it; it is the former that is the case. I did overestimate something. VarunSoon (talk) 05:05, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Plenty of times, I have a background in physics, run a few bots, code plenty of templates, and the like. And I've been on Wikipedia for 10+ years, with about a quarter million edits. And I still can't understand what you are trying to write. My advice, write as if your target audience is a crowd of intelligent gardeners interested in Wikipedia. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:19, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb:...Hmm, either I have overestimated something or you have not read the English part of the essay at all. VarunSoon (talk) 04:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Extra materials which are unscrutable, unreviewable, and completely inaccessible. What you wrote could very well be true. But for all we know, you could also have written the equivalent of 2 + 2 = Orange 2%
- @VarunSoon: You may not consider yourself a logician, but you have studied formal logic at one point. Walk to anyone in the street and ask what
- @Headbomb:
Suggestion by The C of E (2019-04-10)
The Signpost should write about how successful DYK's April Fools Day was. Of the 19 hooks we had running in 2 sets, 13 of them made it onto the DYK Statistics page and we had numerous comments on social media praising us for our work. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @The C of E: do you have links to such social media comments? Like a twitter hashtag, or facebook groupies going wild? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: It won't let me post the link due to twitter being blacklisted. Just add h to the end of search in the url here and you should be able to see the bypass. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Template:Newsletters
@DannyS712:, you should report on the creation of {{Newsletters}} and invite people to add Newsletters that are missing from it to relevant section. If they can't figure it out themselves, just dropping a message on the template's talk page should be good. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:30, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: report it where? News and notes? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- That's where I was thinking. Open to other locations, but it seems weird to include in tech report. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:45, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: Okay. I'm adding it --DannyS712 (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Cool. It'd be a good idea to send a mass message about this to to all Wikiprojects. You're a mass messenger, and I'm a bit fuzzy on the details here. What's the steps for this? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:56, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: All of them, or the ones listed as having newsletters (or just the active ones). Basically, get me a list of pages you want a message posted to, and what message you want posted, and I can send it --DannyS712 (talk) 01:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- It would be all of them, since it's hard to know which newsletters have slipped through the cracks, or have non-standard names. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: Okay. Ready when you are - see Wikipedia:Mass message senders#Before making your request for the things I need (targets and content) to send a message. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- It would be all of them, since it's hard to know which newsletters have slipped through the cracks, or have non-standard names. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: All of them, or the ones listed as having newsletters (or just the active ones). Basically, get me a list of pages you want a message posted to, and what message you want posted, and I can send it --DannyS712 (talk) 01:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Cool. It'd be a good idea to send a mass message about this to to all Wikiprojects. You're a mass messenger, and I'm a bit fuzzy on the details here. What's the steps for this? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:56, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Headbomb: Okay. I'm adding it --DannyS712 (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- That's where I was thinking. Open to other locations, but it seems weird to include in tech report. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:45, 11 April 2019 (UTC)