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Contents
- 1 Suspicious user: Vic Hawk
- 2 Air date screwup with Zap2it
- 3 iCarly season articles
- 4 List of Walt Disney Animation Studios films
- 5 I Am Frankie season 2
- 6 Discussion at Talk:Legacies (TV series)#Followup on episode summary lengths
- 7 Best Friends Whenever, Bizaardvark, and Coop & Cami Ask the World
- 8 List of Pingu episodes
- 9 A Cinderella Story (film series)
- 10 A barnstar for you!
- 11 Andi Mack
- 12 Medium.com
- 13 Cooper Barnes (actor)
Suspicious user: Vic Hawk
The regular interaction report analyzer is currently down, so here is an alternative. It doesn't show who edited what first, but it's obvious I edited everything listed there first, long before this user cropped up (account was created March 21). I've set the start date there to January 1 of this year.
Interaction report here.
Pinging MPFitz1968 and IJBall as well, the latter who is already aware of this. Very little edits from them, but all but one of their edits are to somewhat disparate articles that I watch. As such, there is a sockpuppet vibe here. I can't really say who the master is if they are a sock, but they're definitely suspicious. IPs and users will generally just add episodes that are almost always unsourced and end up being reverted. The fact that this user even references Zap2it adds more suspicion. Please keep a good eye on them. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: If the edits are dubious and unsourced or appear to be deliberate misinformation, make sure to add warnings to the user talk page so a block can be supported if necessary. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:25, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry I'm not a sock puppet i was just trying to fix a few errors Vic Hawk (talk) 19:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall and MPFitz1968: I was just left this message on Commons. I'm going to go ahead and grant them their wish and file a report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Simulation12. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Air date screwup with Zap2it
@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Zap2it has done something weird and changed every single air date of every single episode aired thus far to be one day earlier. For example, it's now saying that "I Dream of Danger" aired on March 22 and "The Danger Begins" aired on July 25, 2014. See here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I'll make note that this is the case with other series (Andi Mack, Bizaardvark, Coop & Cami, and even Sam & Cat and Girl Meets World - the ones I looked up), all marked with one day earlier than we have it at Wikipedia, so this is definitely a site-wide problem. (Amazon has been putting one-day earlier dates on episodes for a while now.) The Futon Critic appears to still have the dates we have put up here. But if this is a permanent matter at Zap2it, it sure will become harder to combat date vandalism on the various TV articles. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- @MPFitz1968: See related discussion at User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 8#Game Shakers on Amazon Looks like Amazon has recently updated their layout, however, and now dates are correct, including those of Game Shakers—"Scared Tripless" is now correctly showing October 24, 2015, for example, instead of October 23, 2015—Henry Danger, and the series you mentioned above. Take a look around. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:08, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
iCarly season articles
An IP is changing the order of the main cast members, moving Jeanette McCurdy down the list, and adding Noah Munck to the main cast in the seasons he wasn't credited as such. They were also indicating that Jerry Trainor became a main cast member in a later season, even though he is main cast throughout the series. The set of articles needs additional watching. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
List of Walt Disney Animation Studios films
Just for interest, I am at my 3rr limit, with an editor pushing contentious info refuted by the linked article in the list entry. Details in the edit history. I'll have to drop this for a while. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
I Am Frankie season 2
Did you ever catch up and finish the season? Thoughts? Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: No as I kind of lost interest. I started, but couldn't really get engaged like I did in the first season. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Legacies (TV series)#Followup on episode summary lengths
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Legacies (TV series)#Followup on episode summary lengths. You and MPFitz1968 may be interested in this as you both participated over on Talk:List of Andi Mack episodes#Plot summaries of most episodes are way too long as in a lot more of than 200 words. Essentially the same discussion, just on a different series. For background, the summaries in question were originally 257 and 326 words, respectively. The long plot tag was added, and they were later shortened to an acceptable 225 and 224 words, respectively. However, the long plot was added again because it was believed they were still way too long. They've now been shortened to about 200 words. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:27, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Best Friends Whenever, Bizaardvark, and Coop & Cami Ask the World
Pinging IJBall and MPFitz1968. This is based on our discussion at Talk:Coop & Cami Ask the World#Opening sequence – Star billing for Dakota Lotus and Ruby Rose Turner, where we never really "decided" how to proceed. For Best Friends Whenever, there's actually already a completed discussion at Talk:Best Friends Whenever#Credit order, but it never hurts to revisit.
To keep it simple, here is the current ordering for stars whose names appear at the same time in the opening sequence:
Best Friends Whenever:
- Landry Bender -> Lauren Taylor
- Benjamin Cole Royer -> Matthew Lewis Royer
Bizaardvark:
- Madison Hu -> Olivia Rodrigo
Coop & Cami Ask the World
- Dakota Lotus -> Ruby Rose Turner
Note that for Best Friends Whenever and Coop & Cami Ask the World, Disney ABC Press—or, I guess, Walt Disney Television Press now—matches the order we have listed here on Wikipedia. However, for Bizaardvark, it lists Olivia Rodrigo -> Madison Hu, opposite of what we have here on Wikipedia. It's hard to say if Disney ABC Press' cast order is based on the order in the opening sequence of series, but I don't think it necessarily is, as having a look at Raven's Home will quickly show it does not match our order here on Wikipedia, which is based on the opening sequence.
So the question is simple: Is the current ordering showed in the bullet lists above correct or should one or more of them be changed? If so, which ones? What should the order be? Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:54, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- I still say go off the credits, and if the credits regularly "switch" the order then list it alphabetically (by surname). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: The issue here isn't switching credit order, like on Cousins for Life, it's names being displayed on the screen at the same time. I always thought it was top-to-bottom first, followed by left-to-right, since Geraldo mentioned line-by-line and then left-to-right. However, it's possible I may have misunderstood Geraldo since you said I was wrong in that first discussion and that left-to-right comes first, which means some of these listings may be wrong and should be fixed and many of the guest stars for Nickelodeon's series could be in the wrong order, since their generic credits show guest stars and co-stars in columns, but it's too late to fix that now. Screenshots: Best Friends Whenever (Screenshot 1, Screenshot 2), Bizaardvark (Screenshot), Coop & Cami Ask the World (Screenshot). Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think the rough consensus has always been to defer to left-to-right rather than top-down. But there may be some articles where the consensus goes the other way, I don't know... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: FWIW, since you mentioned it above, all three of these articles where main cast members' names appear at the same time have those names listed alphabetically by last name, and I know Geraldo stated that's how to show equal billing. Lab Rats: Elite Force is another one, with William Brent and Bradley Steven Perry, which is also alphabetical at the article. So maybe all of these are fine as is... Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- We should use normal English reading rules when reading English language text. Credits should be no different. They are trying to show equal billing, though and the intent is neither before the other. We need to serialize them for lists, and normal way to honor equal billing in lists is alphabetical. When we are lucky normal reading order ends up alphabetically and we don't have an issue. When they conflict we pretty much have to fall back on how sources closest to the production serialize them. Our fall-back should be alphabetical by last name if we get conflicting guidance in primary sources. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:17, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: FWIW, since you mentioned it above, all three of these articles where main cast members' names appear at the same time have those names listed alphabetically by last name, and I know Geraldo stated that's how to show equal billing. Lab Rats: Elite Force is another one, with William Brent and Bradley Steven Perry, which is also alphabetical at the article. So maybe all of these are fine as is... Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think the rough consensus has always been to defer to left-to-right rather than top-down. But there may be some articles where the consensus goes the other way, I don't know... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: The issue here isn't switching credit order, like on Cousins for Life, it's names being displayed on the screen at the same time. I always thought it was top-to-bottom first, followed by left-to-right, since Geraldo mentioned line-by-line and then left-to-right. However, it's possible I may have misunderstood Geraldo since you said I was wrong in that first discussion and that left-to-right comes first, which means some of these listings may be wrong and should be fixed and many of the guest stars for Nickelodeon's series could be in the wrong order, since their generic credits show guest stars and co-stars in columns, but it's too late to fix that now. Screenshots: Best Friends Whenever (Screenshot 1, Screenshot 2), Bizaardvark (Screenshot), Coop & Cami Ask the World (Screenshot). Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
List of Pingu episodes
Geraldo, just a heads up that I have either redirected or merged all of the separate season articles for Pingu (e.g. Pingu (series 1) thru Pingu (series 6)) to List of Pingu episodes. The first two simply duplicated content already at the LoE article. The last 4 were not valid "season" articles under MOS:TV (not enough unique content), and those sections were just "blank" at the LoE article anyway, so I merged those four back to the LoE. I've also added a 'Series overview' table.
I know essentially nothing about this series, but I am suspicious of the (unsourced) 'Special episodes' section, and am wondering if that section should just be removed. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- It's also worth noting that all 6 of the "series" articles went to WP:AfD in August 2015, and the result was "delete" on all 6 of them. So they should absolutely not be allowed to be recreated again. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Don't forget to tag the redirects with
{{R from merge}}
to add the caution to preserve edit history. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Don't forget to tag the redirects with
A Cinderella Story (film series)
I have multiple problems with this edit, on both WP:NOTBROKEN/correct titling and WP:ACCESS grounds, but I've had previous conflicts with this editor, so if you agree that the edits are problematic, a reversion is probably better coming from you... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: I got it. Now the WP:ONUS is on them per WP:BRD. Unlikely they'll actually follow it, which doesn't bother me. We'll just take them to WP:ANEW again. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Spshu is clearly now just edit warring to prove some sort of WP:POINT, rather than trying to improve the article, so more eyes will be needed here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- There is a discussion at Talk:A Cinderella Story (film series)#Removing sources, where Spshu is blaming everyone but themselves. Geraldo and IJBall: Even though they continued past 3RR, since they've stopped for now, a report at WP:ANEW is likely not needed. However, I propose that a report at WP:ANI should be filed and we call for a six-month block, at a minimum. Despite their claims at the talk page there, their block log is completely relevant, as they are clearly WP:NOTGETTINGIT. Although it can't just be a brief report, it's going to have be probably fairly lengthy if we want harsher consequences to even be considered. Ping MPFitz1968 as well to make him aware. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:37, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Spshu is clearly now just edit warring to prove some sort of WP:POINT, rather than trying to improve the article, so more eyes will be needed here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Diligence |
For your contributions on films and media articles, I look foward to be an editor like you! -Gouleg (Talk • Contribs) 15:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC) |
Andi Mack
![](https://web.archive.org/web/20190407055558im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png)
See page history. We seem to have an issue with the recent editor who edited the article lately. The general problem here is their known WP:PREVIEW and WP:EDITSUMMARY issues. I left them a note here, but they later blanked the page here, which they have the right per WP:BLANK, but it's obvious they either didn't read it or are just not bothering as they failed again earlier. And I'm not the only one with these concerns. See User talk:Amaury/2019#Edit summaries. They also reintroduced the LGBT category here and pointed to the Talk:Andi Mack#The LGBT category discussion, but I'll leave the decision on whether that should be reverted or not to you. Note, though, that they and another editor are the only ones who supported it back in February, but that does not seem to be overwhelming consensus. And for something like this, overwhelming consensus to include it is probably needed, in my opinion. I was neutral as I was only asking if it was time, following the episode "One in a Minyan."
I don't know if this is something that warrants something like WP:ANI, at least not yet, and I don't necessarily really want to drag them there; however, I think I kind of agree with the observation made in that linked to discussion in my archives that there's some ownership. When I removed the size parameter for the image on the parent article because I thought it was too big, they were quick to revert it. I discussed this with IJBall at User talk:IJBall/Archive 21#Image size? and it seemed defining the size was correct, but they still should have followed proper procedures and started a discussion on the talk page first. Ownership of articles can drive people away, and it's why I just left Champions and don't have anything outside of the Nickelodeon and Disney Channel articles on my watchlist in general.
Pinging MPFitz1968 as well on this for thoughts. This doesn't apply to just Andi Mack or its respective episode list page, but I don't have any interest in whatever else they watch. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I don't follow the series so don't have any informed opinion on this. I do tend to avoid LGBT discussions as they become heated and political far to quickly but given Wikipedia culture I expect ownership claims that some series with any sort of LGBT content be categorized as such to be supported by any attempt at wider dispute resolution or mediation or RfC. If someone is pushing for this it is likely they will eventually prevail. As for image size see WP:IMAGESIZE MOS:UPRIGHT and don't specify a size as that is a user preference we shouldn't override but use upright if it has fine detail that is hard to see at normal width so you want it to display wider than normal to see that detail. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
...and don't specify a size as that is a user preference we shouldn't override...
Late reply, but are you saying the 400px shouldn't be there and no size should be defined? That's kind of worded odd, so just double checking. I think you're saying 400px is a user preference we shouldn't be using, but then you say we shouldn't override it, so I'm just a little confused....but use upright if it has fine detail that is hard to see at normal width so you want it to display wider than normal to see that detail...
And I'm a little confused there as well. If people want to see a bigger version, all they have to do is click on the thumbnail to enlarge it and see the finer details? How do you determine "fine detail"? As you can probably tell, this isn't my forte, which is why I'm coming to you. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:00, 6 April 2019 (UTC)- @Amaury: 220px is default thumbnail size but that can be changed as a user option (user preferences/appearance/Thumbnail size) for people who like larger images in general. Forcing a size overrides whatever the user wants as a preference, say the user likes 500px thumbnails, specifying 400px makes it smaller for that user. The recommended way to make things larger is to use "upright" which is just a scaling factor. Instead of specifying 400px expecting the default 220px specify upright=2 to scale it twice as wide, if that is what is wanted. 1.5 might be better though. Usually we are supposed to take the user defaults unless there is a very good reason to force a larger (or smaller) image on the user. MOS:UPRIGHT recommends 1.3 for images with fine detail and that seems reasonable. Geraldo Perez (talk)
- Got it. So instead of
[[File:Andi Mack.png|thumb|right|400px|'''L–R:''' Buffy Driscoll ([[Sofia Wylie]]), [[Cyrus Goodman]] ([[Joshua Rush]]), and Andi Mack ([[Peyton Elizabeth Lee]]), in the pilot episode of the series, "[[List of Andi Mack episodes#ep1|Tomorrow Starts Today]]".]]
it should be[[File:Andi Mack.png|thumb|upright=1.3|'''L–R:''' Buffy Driscoll ([[Sofia Wylie]]), [[Cyrus Goodman]] ([[Joshua Rush]]), and Andi Mack ([[Peyton Elizabeth Lee]]), in the pilot episode of the series, "[[List of Andi Mack episodes#ep1|Tomorrow Starts Today]]".]]
? Is that right? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)- @Amaury: Yes and justify it per MOS:UPRIGHT. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Got it. So instead of
- @Amaury: 220px is default thumbnail size but that can be changed as a user option (user preferences/appearance/Thumbnail size) for people who like larger images in general. Forcing a size overrides whatever the user wants as a preference, say the user likes 500px thumbnails, specifying 400px makes it smaller for that user. The recommended way to make things larger is to use "upright" which is just a scaling factor. Instead of specifying 400px expecting the default 220px specify upright=2 to scale it twice as wide, if that is what is wanted. 1.5 might be better though. Usually we are supposed to take the user defaults unless there is a very good reason to force a larger (or smaller) image on the user. MOS:UPRIGHT recommends 1.3 for images with fine detail and that seems reasonable. Geraldo Perez (talk)
Medium.com
I can't tell if this site qualifies as a WP:RS (esp. for BLP info)? Can you?... I can't find an "About" link anywhere, so I can't tell what kind of website this is... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- @IJBall: https://medium.com/about looks like a blog with all the fact checking that implies. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- OK, will tag this edit with a {{better source needed}} tag then. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Cooper Barnes (actor)
why don't you find a reliable source then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadetrain (talk • contribs) 21:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)