Contents
- 1 Disambiguation link notification for May 8
- 2 Thanks
- 3 Java EE version history
- 4 I have unreviewed a page you curated
- 5 WP:NMUSIC
- 6 TFL notification
- 7 Please comment on Talk:List of Italian supercentenarians
- 8 Quick question
- 9 Why Did your Move from Song to Band?
- 10 New message from Path slopu
- 11 Your GA nomination of Big Cat, Little Cat
- 12 Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association
- 13 Incomplete DYK nomination
- 14 When to incubate articles at NPP
- 15 Call for submissions for the Community Growth space at Wikimania 2019
- 16 OTRS
- 17 Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
- 18 NPR Newsletter No.18
- 19 Please consider...
- 20 Copyright vio on Decentralization in Rwanda - put on list?
- 21 Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
- 22 Need your quick attention on an article
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Thanks
I didn't know that the text was copying from Wikipedia I thought it was the other way around based on the copyvio reports. We were reviewing the article at the same time which is why I went ahead and posted the template. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 15:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- Alucard 16 No worries. I tend to use archive.org to help compare histories. Obviously they should have credited us when they moved content but we know that doesn't happen a lot of the time. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Java EE version history
My apologies for my missteps around preventing the deletion of this article; I don't have much experience in maintaining Wikipedia content. I do however have a fair amount of experience in Java EE development, and obviously chronicling the history of the Java EE specification is important to me personally. I suspect you don't have experience in this field due to your impression that Java EE is a piece of software, or a collection of software (available to purchase or download for instance). The evolution of this specification and the actions of the JCP committee members has changed, and will continue to change the course of a multi-billion-dollar industry. The individual technologies included in each evolution is important. Each version could have its own page like C++ Standardization (table), but I think it's best to have this history chronicled in a single article. There is an elegance to this as it follows the approach to its non-enterprise counterpart, Java SE.
- Hi there IP. You're certainly correct I was imprecise in my wording around this. No worries about being new to Wikipedia and I respect your thinking on this topic. Wikipedia has chosen to draw its standard (which is referred to as notability around what can be included a little narrower than what you're suggesting. Having been around when this was not the case, I certainly can understand why you'd hope otherwise. It is, of course, possible that in the course of the discussion other editors will agree with you and the article will be kept. One piece of advice: when leaving a comment in a discussion it's normal to "sign" it by ending the comment with ~~~~. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:52, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
I have unreviewed a page you curated
Thanks for reviewing Nathaniel Bartlett, Barkeep49.
Elmidae has gone over this page again and marked it as unpatrolled. Their note is:
It's a complete copyvio, I'm afraid :/ Draftifying again...
Please contact Elmidae for any further query. Thanks.
Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.
Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:12, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Elmidae thanks. I forgot to click to run the COPYVIO. What a silly mistake. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:13, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Actually this is to Bkissin's ledger - I thought copyvio check was one of the first things they did at AfC? Apparently not :/ --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:17, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Elmidae, is there a reason you're not G12'ing? Seem unambiguous. My only pause is I did spot check two of the sources and it's legit info so I'm wondering if it's the same person. But if it is it would still need to be properly licensed so COPYVIO would still pertain. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Weelll... the author had some really nice interactions with Martin of Sheffield [1] re referencing and seems genuinely intent on making this a good article; also I DID notify them about the copyright problems while it was still in draft [2], and I like to think that they might have addressed this issue if it hadn't been swooped into mainspace at short notice. So I'd like to give them that chance again. We don't have to nuke copyvios in draft at this speed, isn't that right? (not indexed etc...) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:31, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Elmidae As I read WP:COPYVIO given that virtually the entire article is copied, no, but I suppose I'm ok with a form of IAR. However, maybe {{subst:cclean|url=insert URL or description of source here (optional)}} should be applied? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Glad you agree. Yes, will attach the template. Also good catch re them possibly being the original author; I'll drop another note about that. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Elmidae As I read WP:COPYVIO given that virtually the entire article is copied, no, but I suppose I'm ok with a form of IAR. However, maybe {{subst:cclean|url=insert URL or description of source here (optional)}} should be applied? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Weelll... the author had some really nice interactions with Martin of Sheffield [1] re referencing and seems genuinely intent on making this a good article; also I DID notify them about the copyright problems while it was still in draft [2], and I like to think that they might have addressed this issue if it hadn't been swooped into mainspace at short notice. So I'd like to give them that chance again. We don't have to nuke copyvios in draft at this speed, isn't that right? (not indexed etc...) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:31, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Elmidae, is there a reason you're not G12'ing? Seem unambiguous. My only pause is I did spot check two of the sources and it's legit info so I'm wondering if it's the same person. But if it is it would still need to be properly licensed so COPYVIO would still pertain. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Actually this is to Bkissin's ledger - I thought copyvio check was one of the first things they did at AfC? Apparently not :/ --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:17, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
WP:NMUSIC
Hi, I'm not contesting your prod of dollys as its more or less an advert from a UPE but regional notability is acceptable for bands and musicians as well as corporations etc. For example WP:NMUSIC criteria 7, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 22:45, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
- Atlantic306 Yeah I considered that but I didn't see that kind of coverage from the sources to support such a claim. That is why I said at most a regionally known band which is a far ways off from being notable for representing music of a city or region. I can't find it now but came across such an article in the last couple of days but I wasn't able to find enough sourcing to support the claim and so I left it for another reviewer. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
TFL notification
Hi, Barkeep49. I'm just posting to let you know that Newbery Medal – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for June 3. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 21:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:List of Italian supercentenarians
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:List of Italian supercentenarians. Legobot (talk) 04:25, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Quick question
Hi - quick question, sorry if this is documented somewhere. I was looking at Kick It(Blackpink song) - it's not mega-notable, but it charted in a few countries so probably viable, and the sources appear to check out - however, it should be called Kick It (Blackpink song), which is currently a redirect. I'm guessing that either the redirect page needs to be deleted, or they need to be merged, but I'm not sure how to request that. Any pointers? Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 16:00, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, I did a bit of looking around for myself, and requested a move at WP:RM/TR - let me know if that was wrong, otherwise I should be good. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 16:06, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Girth Summit Always good to hear from you. So in this case you need to do a round robin switch. In order to do this you need the page mover user PERM which I happen to have and so I've gone ahead and done the move. It's surprisingly useful for NPP - until you have a bigger track record for that and can get the PERM yourself, feel free to stop on by to request any such moves you need. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Perfect - thanks! I'll read up on the page mover PERM. GirthSummit (blether) 16:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Why Did your Move from Song to Band?
Hello. I just wondering that Why would you move from Free Man (Point Blank Song) Article to Point Blank (band). Seriously, I'm the owner of this song article & you moved it. I am not mad at you. This is the issue I think. If you moved it, Please reminded me. Okay?
Cheers.—TowerPizza (Report that Issue) 9:34 PM May 11, 2019 (MDT)
- @TowerPizza: Hi there. I came across the article while doing new page patrol. On wikipedia no one owns an article but as the person who created it I understand how you have a special attachment and are confused. In examining the article I did not see how the song met our notability standard for songs. For instance did the song chart? Lacking this indication I meant to redirect the article to the album but you're right that I incorrectly did it to the band. I have now fixed this. If you want to go back to the article you can - when you go there you'll be taken to the album but there will be a little link which says where you were redirected from. This will let you go back to the article where you could further improve it to demonstrate notability. Does that answer your question? If not I'm happy to explain more or answer any further questions you might have. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
New message from Path slopu
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Your GA nomination of Big Cat, Little Cat
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Big Cat, Little Cat you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of J Milburn -- J Milburn (talk) 16:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association
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Incomplete DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Rodney Robinson at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 06:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
When to incubate articles at NPP
Hi Barkeep49. I'm new to monitoring the new pages feed and was wondering if you could offer me some guidance. I noticed that patrollers will sometimes move undersourced articles to draftspace, as you did with Winterfest (event). How do you decide when to incubate an article instead of nominating it for deletion? In the case of the Winterfest article, I'm not seeing any potential for it to be expanded with independent sources, so I'm not sure that incubating was the right call. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Lord Bolingbroke, welcome to monitoring new pages and thanks for the question. Draftifying makes up a rather small percentage of my overall patrols (I think 3 or so percent and even this is heavily weighted by early on in my patrolling time) and this is how I think it should be. When I draftify, it will frequently be a notable topic when it has little or no sourcing present and thus is perhaps not ready for mainspace. In this case I gave serious thought to nominating the article for deletion. However, I found articles for several theme park events, including the related Six Flags Fright Fest and so I decided that there was a reasonable degree of the article being kept at AfD. However essentially lacking in any true sourcing other than external links to the park pages about the event (which present EL problems given their number and promotional nature) also suggested the article was not ready for mainspace. I think DRAFTIFY is an easy to abuse tool in the new page patroller's toolbox and so I work hard to use it thoughtfully and carefully. Does this explanation make sense to you in the case of Winterfest? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:41, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Call for submissions for the Community Growth space at Wikimania 2019
Welcome to a special newsletter from the Growth team! This special newsletter is not about Wikimedia Foundation Growth team projects. Instead, it is a call for submissions for the Community Growth space at Wikimania 2019. We think that many people who receive this newsletter may have something valuable to contribute to this space at Wikimania. We haven't translated the newsletter, because Wikimania's language is English.
Please see below for the message from the organizers of the Community Growth space at Wikimania.
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Wikimania 2019 is organized into 19 “spaces”, which are all accepting proposals for sessions. This message comes from the team organizing the Community Growth space.
Since you are interested b Growth team projects, and potentially involved in welcoming newcomers initiatives on your wiki, we would like to invite you to submit a proposal to the Community Growth space because of the actions you’ve done around newcomers on wikis. The deadline for submission is June 1. See below for Community Growth submission topics and session formats. Topics and sessions have to be in English.
In the Community Growth space, we will come together for discussions, presentations, and workshops that address these questions:
- What is and is not working around attracting and retaining newcomers?
- How should Wikimedia activities evolve to help communities grow and flourish?
- How should our technology and culture evolve to help new populations to come online, participate and become community members?
Recommended topics: please see this link for the list for the list of recommended topics. If you do not plan to submit a proposal, you can also suggest additional topics here. If your topic does not fit into our space, remember that there are 18 other spaces that could welcome you sharing your knowledge and perspective.
Types of session. We prefer sessions that are participatory, interactive, promote conversations, and give a voice to parts of our movement that are heard less often. Please see this link for the list of recommended session formats.
Poster submissions. Posters are also a good way to introduce a topic, or show some results of an action. Please consider submitting one!
More information about the Community Growth space, topics, and submission formats is available on the proposal page.
Please submit your proposal. The reviews will happen at the beginning of June.
If you have questions about Wikimania in general, please ask them on the Wikimania wiki.
On behalf of the Community Growth leadership team, Trizek (WMF), 11:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
OTRS
Hi - I was reading this conversation, and wondered whether it would be useful for me to try to help with the growing backlog. I believe that my communication skills are pretty good, but I recognise that I would probably have to do a fair amount of reading to equip myself to deal with people's requests. I see from WP:VRT that offers to help should be submitted here, but before spending too much time reading about what would be involved, I thought I'd ask you to be a critical friend - do you think this would be a productive use of my time/skills, or do you think I would be better sticking to developing my experience at NPP and helping bring down the backlog there. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 17:42, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Girth Summit I think you have 100% the correct disposition to be a good OTRS agent. I will tell you that there is no training and very few resources to call upon to help you answer tickets (or confirm you're answering correctly) which meant that given the stakes I never really found my groove and so I end up only doing one or two tickets a month. This is in no way to say you shouldn't do it but that to have realistic expectations about it going in. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words, and for the words of caution! My impression has always been that you've got a pretty good understanding of the ground you're standing on, so if you find it difficult to process tickets then I confess to feeling somewhat daunted; nevertheless, it would be interesting to find out about a different part of the project, and perhaps if I can help deal with some of the simpler issues it would clear the field a bit, so I'll go along and offer to help if I can. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 18:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Girth Summit great. I will give you a support, for whatever value that might have, when you do. I should have mentioned before that NPP is getting up there with the backlog and so it certainly could use your attention too :). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks - my application is here. Point taken about NPP - I'll try and knock off a few more before dinner! It's not something I'm planning to walk away from - I'm just eager to explore more areas of the project. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 19:01, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, as always, for your recent advice, which I've acted upon. That hadn't occurred to me - I was thinking about the backlog, and feeling bad about adding to it, but I can see where you're coming from. GirthSummit (blether) 07:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks - my application is here. Point taken about NPP - I'll try and knock off a few more before dinner! It's not something I'm planning to walk away from - I'm just eager to explore more areas of the project. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 19:01, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Girth Summit great. I will give you a support, for whatever value that might have, when you do. I should have mentioned before that NPP is getting up there with the backlog and so it certainly could use your attention too :). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words, and for the words of caution! My impression has always been that you've got a pretty good understanding of the ground you're standing on, so if you find it difficult to process tickets then I confess to feeling somewhat daunted; nevertheless, it would be interesting to find out about a different part of the project, and perhaps if I can help deal with some of the simpler issues it would clear the field a bit, so I'll go along and offer to help if I can. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 18:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
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NPR Newsletter No.18
Hello Barkeep49,
- WMF at work on NPP Improvements
Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:
- Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
- Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.
- Reliable Sources for NPP
Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.
- Backlog drive coming soon
Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.
- News
- Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.
- Discussions of interest
- A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
- There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
- What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like
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Please consider...
With regard to your comment at WP:Deletion_review/Log/2019_May_10... You said you couldn't review the article?
Many deleted articles are captured, shortly before their deletion was finalized, at the deletionpedia. The version of the Olympia Nelson article, at http://deletionpedia.org/en/Olympia_Nelson is not the very final version - where the section on her second big event, the 2013 op-ed, was expanded. Her op-ed was widely republished. An Australian public affairs show devoted an entire episode to her. Scholars cite her.
I think this second event, and the many interviews it triggered, and the episode devoted to her on national TV, means the original claims of BLP1E were complete nonsense.
You wrote "...especially about someone who would have been a child in what was being written about..." Ms Nelson made a huge effort to defend her late mother's artistic choices. She said this was her all-time favourite photo of herself. I suggest the fact that Ms Nelson defended the photo in multiple RS means wikipedia coverage will not offend her.
Rather, if we are protecting her, against her will, surely that is highly offensive?
Doesn't the assumption that Ms Nelson needs protection imply the wikipedia has decided that, in spite of her vocal defense of the image, she is some kind of victim? If I were in her position I would resent the heck out of this unwelcome protection. Geo Swan (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Geo Swan, it looks like the DRV has now been closed so I'm not sure I can do anything to consider the issue further. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Copyright vio on Decentralization in Rwanda - put on list?
I was going through new page review and came across Decentralization in Rwanda which had a copyvio banner put on it by you. Going over to WP: Copyright Problems, I could not find it...is it possible you didn't put it over there? Just following up =) --Nerd1a4i (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Nerd1a4i You are correct I did not put it on the list. In fact if you could educate me on the correct next steps I would be appreciative because in general I try not to leave cleanup for others but in this case it was complex enough that I have done so. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Barkeep49 I added it to the list. Basically, the template that shows up on the blanked page tells you what to do - add
{{tlx|subst:Nothanks-web|pg=Decentralization in Rwanda|url=http://www.clgf.org.uk/default/assets/File/Country_profiles/Rwanda.pdf http://minaloc.gov.rw/index.php?id=450}} ~~~~
to the adder of the copyrighted material's talk page (in this case Lou rogers), and add* {{tlx|subst:article-cv|:Decentralization in Rwanda}} from http://www.clgf.org.uk/default/assets/File/Country_profiles/Rwanda.pdf http://minaloc.gov.rw/index.php?id=450. ~~~~
to the bottom of the copyright vio list for the current day (in this case [3]). Hopefully that explains everything; feel free to ping with more questions! --Nerd1a4i (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Barkeep49 I added it to the list. Basically, the template that shows up on the blanked page tells you what to do - add
Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Legobot (talk) 04:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Need your quick attention on an article
Hi there I need one help, I have edited a page named Wakil Kumar Yadav, but someone has kept it underAfD category. Plz visit the page and and see sources,as I have cited with three sources and then remove the AfD template. The page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakil_Kumar_Yadav Wakuxyz (talk) 19:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Wakuxyz. I can understand how that template would be upsetting for you. No one on Wikipedia is allowed to remove that template right now. Articles for Deletion is a discussion. You are welcome to participate in the discussion. You can say why you think the article should be kept. You might want to read this list. That list says some reasons why an author is notable (the word we use to describe what can and can't have a Wikipedia Article). To participate in the discussion you can use the following as a template:
- *'''Keep''' Your reason why the article should be kept ~~~~
- Hope that helps. If you have more questions let me know. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:42, 21 May 2019 (UTC)