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::Apologies, my eyes skipped lines, it was not one of the anons who removed the tag either time. Nonetheless, that fact needs citation. [[User:Thanatosimii|Thanatosimii]] 22:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC) |
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[[User:Ararat arev|Ararat arev]] 04:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)I'm requesting ''un-protect'' of Armenia's page so I can add my reference Notes in the "citation needed" |
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Articles for deletion
- 18 Jul 2022 – Zanjan Khanate (talk · · hist) was AfDed by HistoryofIran (t · c); see discussion (2 participants)
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Categories for discussion
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- 17 Jul 2022 – Bhutanese Australians (talk · · hist) →Bhutan was RfDed by Rosguill (t · c); see discussion
- 17 Jul 2022 – Tajikistani Australians (talk · · hist) →Tajikistan was RfDed by Rosguill (t · c); see discussion
- 16 Jul 2022 – Country Cameroon (talk · · hist) →Cameroon was RfDed by Champion (t · c); see discussion
- 16 Jul 2022 – Magnon, Gabon (talk · · hist) →Gabon was RfDed by Champion (t · c); see discussion
- 08 Jul 2022 – Китай (talk · · hist) →China was RfDed by TraderCharlotte (t · c); see discussion
- 06 Apr 2022 – Nation of China (talk · · hist) →China was RfDed by Balkovec (t · c); see discussion
Requests for comments
Requested moves
- 14 Jul 2022 – United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories (talk · · hist) is requested to be moved to United Nations list of non-self-governing territories by Wallnot (t · c); see discussion
- 09 Jul 2022 – Mainland China (talk · · hist) move request somewhere else by MChinaGA (t · c) was not moved; see discussion
- 28 Jun 2022 – Udaipur State (talk · · hist) move request to Kingdom of Mewar by Extorc (t · c) was moved to Kingdom of Mewar (talk · · hist) by Usernamekiran (t · c) on 12 Jul 2022; see discussion
Articles to be merged
- 28 May 2022 – Hungarian Republic (1919–1920) (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to First Hungarian Republic by DamagedKnight (t · c); see discussion
- 09 May 2022 – Territorial conquests of the Empire of Japan (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to List of territories acquired by the Empire of Japan by Linhart.stephen (t · c); see discussion
- 01 May 2022 – New Amsterdam Region (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Partition and secession in New York#Dividing New York State into three autonomous regions by Pharos (t · c); see discussion
- 01 May 2022 – Montauk Region (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Partition and secession in New York#Dividing New York State into three autonomous regions by Pharos (t · c); see discussion
- 01 May 2022 – New York Region (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Partition and secession in New York#Dividing New York State into three autonomous regions by Pharos (t · c); see discussion
- 20 Apr 2022 – Fifth Republic of Venezuela (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Venezuela by Camoz87 (t · c); see discussion
- 12 Apr 2022 – Northeast Supreme Administrative Council (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Manchukuo by Grnrchst (t · c); see discussion
- 07 Mar 2022 – Czech and Slovak Federative Republic (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to History of Czechoslovakia (1989–1992) by Heanor (t · c); see discussion
- 31 Jan 2022 – Pradyota dynasty (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Pradyota by TrangaBellam (t · c); see discussion
- 21 Jan 2022 – Maqpon dynasty (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Skardu#Maqpon period by TrangaBellam (t · c); see discussion
- (1 more...)
Articles to be split
- 25 Jun 2022 – History of the Philippines (1965–1986) (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Sanglahi86 (t · c); see discussion
- 02 Apr 2022 – South Korea (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by ClueBot NG (t · c); see discussion
- 21 Nov 2021 – Portugal (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Moxy (t · c); see discussion
- 02 May 2021 – Vargas Era (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by FredModulars (t · c); see discussion
- 18 Apr 2021 – Jamaica (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Goszei (t · c); see discussion
- 15 Feb 2021 – Guinea (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Moxy (t · c); see discussion
- 06 Jan 2021 – Cumania (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Super Dromaeosaurus (t · c); see discussion
- 14 Dec 2020 – Zimbabwe (talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Moxy (t · c); see discussion
Articles for creation
- 10 Jul 2022 – Draft:List of countries by population in 1850 (talk · · hist) has been submitted for AfC by ASTRO Clifford (t · c)
- 07 Jun 2022 – Draft:Lamjang and Kaski (talk · · hist) has been submitted for AfC by DrDuke101 (t · c)
- 22 Apr 2022 – Draft:Kharkiv People's Republic (talk · · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Dmoroe6 (t · c)
- 10 Apr 2022 – Draft:Naigaon Rebai State (talk · · hist) has been submitted for AfC by RoanokeVirginia (t · c)
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Patron Saints
"Bartholomew, along with Saint Jude Thaddeus is reputed to have brought the new religion of Christianity to Armenia in the 1st century. Thus the Armenian Church is called the Armenian "Apostolic" Church, as both saints are considered to be the patron saints of the Armenian Apostolic Church." - Bartholomew_the_Apostle article
"Saint Gregory the Illuminator or Saint Gregory the Enlightener, the founder and patron saint of the Armenian Apostolic Church, was born about 257." - Gregory_the_Illuminator article
It sounds to me that there are three patron saints...Serouj 01:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yeap, many countries have more than one. Russia has six.--Eupator 01:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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- "Though Saint Gregory the Illuminator is credited as the "Apostle to the Armenians", when he baptised King Tiridates III of Armenia in 301, converting the Armenians, Saints Jude and Bartholomew first brought Christianity to Armenia in the first century. Thus the Armenian Apostolic Church is called the Armenian "Apostolic" Church, as both saints are considered to be the patron saints of the Church and so are under the protection and patronage of both apostolic saints." - from the Saint Thaddeus article.
It sounds to me like the Gregory the Illuminator article may need some rewording, because both the Thaddeus article and the Bartholomew article say that they are the patron saints, with the Thaddeus article pointing out that Gregory is the "Apostle to the Armenians," not the patron saint. I know I'm no authority on this, but going by what these 3 articles say, it sounds like the error is in the Gregory article...Serouj 01:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Quote underneath Near East Relief image
The United States contributed a significant amount of aid to the Armenians during the Armenian Genocide. Shown here is a poster for the American Committee for Relief in the Near East vowing that they (the Armenians, Greeks, Syrians and Persians) "shall not perish.
I don't think we need to add what's in bold, because this article is about Armenia, and the caption doesn't exclude those groups, it simply doesn't mention them. And that is fine, because this article is about Armenia; someone looking at the image will clearly see (at the bottom) that the relief is for much of the Near East, not only Armenia. Serouj 23:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Right, "someone looking at the image will clearly see (at the bottom) that the relief is for much of the Near East, not only Armenia". Even if the article is about Armenia the caption should have some clarifying for the reader. The current version confuses a bit: "the American Committee for Relief in the Near East vowing that they (the Armenians) "shall not perish." Also seems a bit POVish. I propose "the Armenians among others" or "the Armenians and others" again because not only Armenians are mentioned in the poster. I would like to read a source which affirms that the poster refers directly and/or specifically to Armenians. --Brand спойт 23:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think that sounds like a good compromise. I fixed it now. Best, Clevelander 00:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Protect?
The vandalism of this article is showing no signs of stopping. Does anybody else agree with me that the page should be semi-protected from anonymous users? -- Augustgrahl 00:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Citations
I am a member of Wikiproject Ancient Egypt and one of the members who helps maintain pages from vandalism and other factual inaccuracy. Recently, two or three IP-adress-only users have come through and changed all the references to Mitanni in these pages to somthing like the "Armenian Kingdom of Mitanni" or mitannian kings to "Armenian Kings".
Now, as to what this has to do with you. These users have used the fact that this page here says that mitanni is part "of the Armenian Ethnogenesis," to use their words, as their justification for making all these changes. Now, beside the fact of that being an illegitimate citation for the pages that I watch, this page does claim such a statement, which all my sources lead me to believe is equivocal at best, lying at worst. Twice I have stuck a citationneeded tag on the claim, looking for so much as a single source to back it up, and it has been "reverted" by one who appears to be a normal editor of this page, and the other time by one of the IP adresses, who was rather angry that I would dare to challenge his or her assertion. It is my understanding, by reading Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Tagging_unsourced_material that I am well within my rights to demand a citation for any claim which is dubious and has no citation. I really must insist that such a claim be cited or removed, and I will be restoring that tag once again. Apologies if I sound angry, it's just that I've been trying to clean up after these IP adresses for several days now, and as far as my literature tells me, the statement I take issue with may as well say that the moon is made of green cheeseThanatosimii 22:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- you are perfectly right of course, which is why I have just sproctected the article (again). dab (𒁳) 22:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- to the anonymous editor: WP:RS doesn't work like "see [some website]" in edit summaries. Cite your references, with author, title, year, publisher and page, in the article (preferably in footnotes) please. I tried to help you, coming up with someone called Rafayel Ischchanian who apparently claimed that the land Armani in Naram-Sin's inscription is Armenia. It is up to you to provide us with the bibliographic details of this hypothesis. dab (𒁳) 22:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Apologies, my eyes skipped lines, it was not one of the anons who removed the tag either time. Nonetheless, that fact needs citation. Thanatosimii 22:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Ararat arev 04:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)I'm requesting un-protect of Armenia's page so I can add my reference Notes in the "citation needed"