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Ordinary people
Hi, thank you for your message. You are kind because on the Slovak Wikipedia this adjustment would have been deleted a long time ago, even if it is justified - only because of the sources. I want to ask if the source can also be articles in Slovak, I have seen them on other en Wiki pages, but I'm not sure if it's right. Well thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.143.102.238 (talk • contribs)
- Hey. Yes, sources written in Slovak (and other non-English sources) are fine (per WP:NOENG). ProcrasinatingReader (talk) 15:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
New name
I just wanted to say thanks for changing your name. I see you a lot in my watchlist and truthfully, the spelling of the old name kinda bugged me. Schazjmd (talk) 00:30, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much
Thanks for dealing with User:196.190.154.53 at AIV. I was actually just about to edit their name in, and I saw yours there, and I thought to myself, "Thank you so much." Cheers. JeffSpaceman (talk) 20:49, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Warning templates
Hi Proc, re the conversation we had off-wiki last night about warning templates, I thought you may be interested in [talk discussion I've opened]. It may be one that sits better at village pump, but will wait to see what input is given. Cheers, Darren-M talk 11:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Darren-M, ahh, thanks for starting that discussion. Will add my 2c at some point today (mostly just a shorter version of my thoughts on IRC yesterday). Would be nice to get some consensus to at least add some hints towards the better pages, for newcomers. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Your comment
I don't know why you removed it, but it was an excellent summary of the position Arbcom are in these cases. Thanks! ——Serial # 14:24, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Template:Beginner version
Going off of your idea here, I've created Template:Beginner version. How does it look? The visual design could probably be improved, and there are some questions to be answered about implementation (e.g. where should it be placed relative to other templates?). Some editors might have concerns about the general idea of it, given the reception I got here. But hopefully it'll be possible to work through all that if we're patient. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sdkb, was glad to see you started work on a similar concept a few weeks ago. I'm a fan for the most part. I definitely agree with the background not being gray/white/whatever, or yellow like talk - it shouldn't blend in with all the other notices we spam around. Green is nice to grab attention. Regarding the specifics of the message, as a user "new here?" makes me sometimes feel pressured to read both. I'd suggest considering an explicit reason as to why we're giving an alternate link, perhaps "Too long?" instead -- but this is a bit of a small point and probably deserves some more thought. It'd be nice if we could do A/B testing with Wiki to see which has a better follow-through.
- I think the banner blindness concerns on the other page aren't reasonable. That phenomenon certainly exists, and is especially relevant when you're showing not-so-necessary info to people. To a new user who is met with a big scary page, I think one single banner to stand out which points them to a less scary page is certainly a good use of a banner. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- I tried "Overwhelmed?" Does that work better? Courtesy pinging Darren-M in case you have thoughts as well. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:19, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sdkb, perhaps, but I wonder if it's a word that's difficult for some non-English readers to understand. Since we're writing something for beginners, I want to try write for various audiences, even some which may not have English as their first language and might not know the word. Perhaps your original wording of "New here?" was fine, on second thought. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sdkb, Sorry, I could have sworn I replied to this yesterday to express the same thoughts about 'overwhelmed' as Proc has. I was thinking either 'Just need a quick summary?' or even just 'A simpler version of this page is available at...' Cheers, Darren-M talk 11:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- I tried "Overwhelmed?" Does that work better? Courtesy pinging Darren-M in case you have thoughts as well. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:19, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Shimon Maryles
Thanks, You'r right about the source problem, but its not a 'living person', he died 200 years ago.
- Thanks! Didn't notice that. Changed the tag to a generic "needs more citations" ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Lychgate
I haven't revdel'd the revision here as it doesn't look like a blatant copyright violation as required by WP:CRD; all the quotes were sourced and by the look of it back to the original sources the museum used. I think a word with the user who added it to suggest that they cut down on the amount of direct quotation they use would be useful.
Thanks and please keep up the good work in spotting copyvios. Nthep (talk) 14:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Nthep, thanks for letting me know :). There are some ambiguous cases where I'm not entirely sure where to tag and where not to, in the closest ones (in my view, where I'm unsure) I figure erring on the side of tagging and letting a copyvio-experienced admin deal with it is more appropriate, just in case. Truly appreciate your feedback so I can be more clear in my mind about the cases I'm less sure of, and close that uncertainty gap. On this particular page, my reasoning was that the text was pasted exactly from the mun.ca, not all of which were quotes, and that publication was licensed under CC-BY-NC (allowing non-commercial reuse, but requiring attribution, which doesn't appear to be given). Additionally, are NC licenses compatible with Wikipedia? I'm aware plagiarism isn't necessarily copyvio, where content is duly licensed for other use, but my understanding was that non-commercial licenses aren't compatible, and hence a copyvio?
- Is usage of the content definitely acceptable here? The quotes may be fair play, sure, but some of the text is blatantly copied from mun.ca and not actually present in the source, and I believe was written by mun.ca themselves. e.g.
Lych-gates mark the division between consecrated and unconsecrated ground. It was here, in this liminal space, that funeral-bearers stopped with their load. In some parts of Devon and Cornwall, the gates were known as “trim-trams” - a term which, it has been suggested, refers to a spot where the funeral train (tram) was “trimmed” or brought into the proper order “so as to be in a state of preparation for the officiating minister, on his coming forth to meet them there.”
The book itself only contains the final, short quote part of this statement, regarding "state of preparation". The rest is written by mun.ca, perhaps based on content in the book, but it's certainly in their own words (none of it appears to be present in the book, e.g. "liminal space" has no results). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC)- Always best to tag and get the second opinion. NC-licences aren't compatible but again in this case it wasn't blatant as the user, now I look, appears to work for the museum. A gentle word about WP licencing policies and the need to avoid copy/paste even content released under a CC-NC licence is needed. Nthep (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
your opinion please...
Thanks for taking my question at WP:ANI seriously.
I think you have figured out the identity of the controversial individual.
On June 22nd, NBC published a long and interesting article by Asian-American journalist Kimmy Yan, that includes the phrase "...a history of Asian women being judged for whom they marry", that covers this individual, in detail.
If you google it, and read it, I'd welcome your opinion on whether you thought it was appropriate to use this reference in other articles on the wikipedia. Geo Swan (talk) 00:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Killing_of_Rayshard_Brooks#Reversion to Investigation and Charges July 05 2020
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Killing_of_Rayshard_Brooks#Reversion to Investigation and Charges July 05 2020. FirstPrimeOfApophis (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Closed discussion on talk:Kiev#Clarification
Hi. Sorry to bother you, but I was involved in the discussion and didn’t want to intervene in administrative procedures. There was some back-and-forth messing with the closed block, which began with these two edits:[1][2], and the result still stands.
Afterwards, there were some editors’ comments removed by others involved in the discussions, so if you wanted to look at that too . . . Thanks. Michael Z. 18:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Mzajac, Thanks for the note. I did see those edits. That comment was made ~1 minute after I closed the discussion, so I err on the side of honest mistake (edit conflict) and let it be at this point, though they probably should've removed their comment after realising rather than move it above the {{hab}}. Subsequent comments to add to the closed discussion were reverted by other editors. I don't think it's worth starting a war over which is the comment to last stand at this point. Seems like people are mostly happy with the closure and letting it be, so I don't think it's worth poking the bear.
- It doesn't make too much of a difference anyway. Extended discussions on the RM at this stage aren't going to affect whatever the final outcome is, and there should be adequate opportunity for further discussion when the case goes to ArbCom. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
G12
Just a thought for the future, if you're going to nominate something for copyright violations, it makes no sense to then remove that copyvio and leave nothing. If there's content worth saving, remove the CV and add a {{revdel}} request. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 00:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- Primefac, thanks for the tip! I was slightly mistaken re the guidelines at WP:CPI. I usually do revdels, not G12s, since there's usually salvageable content, so I was less familiar with the G12 process. In the page you're referring to I didn't think there was salvageable content, so I requested G12 then blanked the page with {{copyvio}}, assuming it was better not to leave copyrighted content live for a day (or a couple). Reading over CPI, I see this is mistaken, and the page shouldn't be blanked for G12, so I appreciate the pointer :) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
BLPN McCann
Hey, ProcrastinatingReader. I think it's fair to say that your latest reply to LA at BLPN is a bit verbose. You kind of state your whole case again, bringing multiple arguments that you've already given before and that LA hasn't really addressed. For conciseness, that is best left out - it's not like you'll change their mind that way. If you must, take only your very best argument and simply ask them for a response to that one argument.
Also, while I kind of get where you're coming from, bringing your opponent's behaviour into a content discussion does not lead to anything good. While you say that you AGF, I question if you're trying to be honest here
does sort of imply bad faith on their part, and about edit warring I'll note that they've not reinstated the suspect's name after I removed it yesterday, see Special:history/Disappearance of Madeleine McCann: in fact, they've further removed it.
I hope this advice is maybe somewhat helpful to you. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 02:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- PJvanMill, agree that it's rather verbose, I had the same feeling yesterday, but at this point I cannot collapse the threads due to being involved, unless the other editor would agree to it as well. FWIW, I agree to collapsing for readability. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Shalom Reimer
Hi there. At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shalom Reimer, you told the now-defunct sock Wiki2008Time "Feel free to find reliable sources that give her significant coverage and we can happily satisfy policies and keep it". I have since found sources and was wondering if you felt like returning to this AfD to take a look at such sources and to see if you still feel confindant in your delete !vote.
Best, Samsmachado (talk) 16:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Samsmachado, sure, I'll take another look. Appreciate the notification. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Trump v. Vance
Hi. You removed content which i added at Trump v. Vance with the words "rm excessive quotations and further refbombing". I added this content in response to an earlier content edit which was removed with the words "far too early to call it landmark, and one source is not sufficient". Two questions in this context: 1. What is refbombing? 2. What is the appropriate number of sources for the status landmark court decision? --P3Y229 (talk • contribs) 00:10, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi P3Y229. See WP:TOOMANYREFS. You added 6 or so sources, some of them not-so-good like opinion pieces or MSN, with very long quotes. I think the point that Masem was making, which is what I kinda felt too, was that it's too early to call it landmark, at least based on typical media, due to recentism and typical media sensationalisation. Typically, SCOTUS articles about landmark cases will use zero, or perhaps one, citation(s) for the landmark label, but these tend to be historical cases which have the advantage of not suffering from recentism, and are typically generally accepted as being landmark.
- I've let the label stick with those two sources, which aren't bad. No more than that is required in this context, and any more isn't going to help the label remaining. Of course, other editors are free to remove it. I think it could reasonably be a landmark case. I'm not too familiar with what would be the best sources for the label, so asking someone at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Supreme Court cases might be appropriate for that. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- I tend to agree that it is a tad too early to try to read for the landmark label given the general state of the media and Trump (And also given the result of Mazars which was far less than a win compared to this). It is not like the last two major "landmark" labels that fundamentally change key practices in the US (employment discrimination related to LGBTQ, and state funding for private schools also going to religious ones). They are saying it is landmark in that only maybe the first time the court had to rule on how congress can subpoena the President's records in the route of legislative making, but they really didn't "decide" anything. And yes, we do not need a lot of quotes, yet. If this is truly "landmark" which will probably take a few days to be apparent, then an Impact section would be appropriate and a few quotes could be used, but they shouldn't be loaded into the references. --Masem (t) 00:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your information and explanations. Is it possible to add this USA Today article as a source, because it mentions the landmark court cases United States v. Nixon and Clinton v. Jones. I ask this question because of the following quote from the USA Today article: "The landmark rulings carry political, legal and constitutional implications for the president, Congress and law enforcement officials who argued the records could reveal evidence of criminal wrongdoing. [...] In previous battles over documents or testimony, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously against Presidents Richard Nixon in 1974 and Bill Clinton in 1997, with their nominees in agreement. The decisions led to Nixon's resignation and Clinton's impeachment, though he was not removed from office by the Senate." I don't wanna add to much information in Trump v. Vance, but given the quote I think it`s a source which should be added. --P3Y229 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- P3Y229, imo 3 sources is too much for that 'landmark' label. If you wish to include it, I'd suggest replacing one of the other 2 with it. Or perhaps just wait to see what the impact is in some days / a week, and elaborate on it in an impact section. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your suggestion. I think the current two sources are good enough because 1.) the New York Times article mentions United States v. Nixon and Clinton v. Jones and 2.) The New Republic article offers additional inside into the landmark court case status. Because of this reasons I won't replace the two mentioned article with the USA Today article. Instead I added the USA Today article as a source. --P3Y229 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- P3Y229, imo 3 sources is too much for that 'landmark' label. If you wish to include it, I'd suggest replacing one of the other 2 with it. Or perhaps just wait to see what the impact is in some days / a week, and elaborate on it in an impact section. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your information and explanations. Is it possible to add this USA Today article as a source, because it mentions the landmark court cases United States v. Nixon and Clinton v. Jones. I ask this question because of the following quote from the USA Today article: "The landmark rulings carry political, legal and constitutional implications for the president, Congress and law enforcement officials who argued the records could reveal evidence of criminal wrongdoing. [...] In previous battles over documents or testimony, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously against Presidents Richard Nixon in 1974 and Bill Clinton in 1997, with their nominees in agreement. The decisions led to Nixon's resignation and Clinton's impeachment, though he was not removed from office by the Senate." I don't wanna add to much information in Trump v. Vance, but given the quote I think it`s a source which should be added. --P3Y229 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- I tend to agree that it is a tad too early to try to read for the landmark label given the general state of the media and Trump (And also given the result of Mazars which was far less than a win compared to this). It is not like the last two major "landmark" labels that fundamentally change key practices in the US (employment discrimination related to LGBTQ, and state funding for private schools also going to religious ones). They are saying it is landmark in that only maybe the first time the court had to rule on how congress can subpoena the President's records in the route of legislative making, but they really didn't "decide" anything. And yes, we do not need a lot of quotes, yet. If this is truly "landmark" which will probably take a few days to be apparent, then an Impact section would be appropriate and a few quotes could be used, but they shouldn't be loaded into the references. --Masem (t) 00:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
irc
Hey, PC! Let's not make decisions on IRC. —valereee (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hey valereee, of course, I get that IRC isn't logged for proof of a statement. I didn't think the original statement was too ambiguous. The moratorium in Special:Diff/965647632/965654680 (particularly edit summary in Special:Diff/965654680) does say
Additionally, I am reimplementing a moratorium on the topic of renaming to "Murder of George Floyd"
hence I didn't think the clarification was required for my update in Special:Diff/967529338 but I did want to double check I wasn't misreading GN's statement, hence I requested a confirmation. Sorry GeneralNotability, but could you clarify again onwiki? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)- Valereee, confirming that it's exactly as ProcrastinatingReader says - they pinged me on IRC to verify that my intent was to only put a moratorium on renaming to "murder of..." (instead of a general moratorium on renames). I said there and am happy to repeat here, my intent was indeed to only put a moratorium on that particular rename - I frankly can't imagine any other likely rename requests, but I figured I'd leave the restriction as narrow as possible. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- (ec) No worries, I just think it's best if issues are brought up on the talk page for discussion. Discussion needs to be here, always, period. It literally should never be anywhere but here. It literally does not matter at all what is being discussed anywhere else. —valereee (talk) 20:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Beldon Katleman
"Never married again" is unsourced, not mentioned in source attributed to that entry. I can post sources, but until then, leave this out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeyJ (talk • contribs) 23:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi JoeyJ, your edit changes his name, his birth date, and adds two spouses without citing any sources. If "never married again" isn't in the given source you can probably remove it, but replacing it with "he married two more times" is likely to get undone. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Archive box collapsible
If you don't want to do a 1400 page big AWB run it should be possible to handle most of them through User:AnomieBOT/TFDTemplateSubster by making {{Archive box collapsible}} a wrapper of {{Archives}}. Just a suggestion though, I haven't actually taken an in depth look at implementation here. --Trialpears (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Trialpears, ah, that's a much smarter way of doing some of these, thanks! The one issue I have with this template is that the unnamed params are slightly iffily-used, where titles for links are given. eg Special:Diff/968008087 is in numbers (omitting the "Archive" prefix), so "auto=short" should be added ideally? For cases like Special:Diff/968007912 it should just be omitted to be autofilled. Though dated formats should probably be retained (eg User talk:Jeandré du Toit). I have a few ideas on how to deal with these variations, but I'm not sure which is the best approach. A quick merge can be done just with a wrapper, I guess, but it wouldn't really be using that template properly. Though, I guess that's not the biggest issue. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think the whole perfection to make use of the template in the merge is too much of a faff. Using a wrapper seems much better (and faster). I guess future cleanup to make it work nicer is also possible. Will make a wrapper. Thanks again for the tip! ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- I would probably just do the simple merger, but if I were to do auto detection I would do it through AWB. Something like \|(\s*\[\[([^\|]*\||\/)Archive \d+\]\][\s,]*)+(?=[\|}]) should detect all lists that could safely be removable. Set AWB to skip everything else and that should take care of that case quite quickly. Next modify it to take care of those which should be replaced with auto=short and then do the wrapper. --Trialpears (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- I have a bot that does not-subst template mergers, as does Plastikspork. Primefac (talk) 18:16, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, that's good to know! I was actually making a bot for that, not realising it already exists. Though, you will probably regret telling me that when I starting bugging you for template mergers :P ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Past accounts?
Have you edited under other accounts? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
- Snooganssnoogans, no, why? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Thankyou!
Thanks for the template update in the climate pages! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:16, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Interesting
This was interesting, I was not aware of that. Thanks for the new knowledge. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- Cyphoidbomb, always good to have the bureaucratic bases covered, just in case :P. I must admit, when I clicked that YouTube link I was expecting something nutty, but I wasn't prepared for what I actually saw. Then I started reading the comments on the video, convinced that nobody could believe this. Needless to say, I had to spend 30 minutes watching videos of people saving cats to restore my faith in humanity. To keep my sanity, I choose to believe that video is a troll, and the comments are just folks going along with the joke. That rubbish has no place not just on Wikipedia, but anywhere on this planet. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Lol! I agree with everything you've said. This guy Sushant Singh Rajput has awakened some really bizarre, unsound thinking. That's probably the nicest way I'd ever try to phrase that, too. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
CuriosityStream
You added {{Undisclosed paid|date=July 2020}} to CuriosityStream. Why did you do this, under what evidence? I made the last edit to add "including Nebula" and I was not paid - this promotion has been going going on for awhile and is probably the most well know partnership and I felt should be added to the article as is relevant. If you added that tag just because of my edit please remove. I added source from 1st party, but I could add more sources if that is what you want, but most sources are of people promoting the partnership so probably not good to add. --Lefton4ya (talk) 00:53, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Lefton4ya. The tag wasn't added to the article due to your edits. Admittedly, your contribs / article at Nebula (streaming video service) could do with more secondary sources, which are independent and reliable, but my UPE tag at CuriosityStream had nothing to do with that. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying ProcrastinatingReader. Ok than if not my edits than which specific edits do you think were paid, and why? If you have a suspicion, then spell it out for someone to dig. But if you can't pick a specific edit, then can you admit you made a mistake and remove {{Undisclosed paid|date=July 2020}} as that tag is only supposed to be used for legitimate paid edits not people making edits that seem promotional. Thanks --Lefton4ya (talk) 04:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
How does a RAT steal a password?
Would you please clarify how a RAT can steal someone’s online password? Does it involve hanging a little camera around the animal’s neck? Has this been done, in the past? catsmoke (talk) 03:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Barnstar!
The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar | ||
This is for your valuable efforts on countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 10:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC) |
Thank you
Thank you for creating automatic image dimensions for DYK image hooks. I have been building prep sets at DYK for many years and I can attest that this is a wonderful improvement that eliminates all the guesswork. Thanks for your expertise! Yoninah (talk) 12:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah, glad I could help! I'm not the best writer unfortunately, but hopefully I can help save some time for those who are. Hopefully the time savings adds up! Thanks for all the great work you do at DYK :) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Bot trial
Hey, good luck with the bot trial. I noticed your bot ran into a problem at 2nd Streamy Awards. If you have a lot of those that cause you problems, you may want to skip anything with "Awards" in its name. Those pages should really be using {{Infobox award}}. --Gonnym (talk) 12:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, thank you! :)
- I was just about to tag you about that specific article, actually. Basically, bot runs about 4 extra sanitation checks to make sure we can definitely understand the date, then the final check is just running it through Ruby's date function and seeing if the parser can understand it. Weirdly, Ruby's date func thinks it can understand "April 7, 2010 (Craft awards)<br />April 11, 2010" (as <Date: 2010-04-07>). The way I've gone around it is by adding an extra check for start/end of string, so if there's extra fluff like "<br/>" or any extra awards/dates in the same param, bot will just skip. I was going to ask if you had any suggestions on any ways for the bot to understand this, but I suppose just skipping (and leaving it in the category for someone to manually clean up if need be) is a better idea? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- There are some disagreements on how to use some of the fields when a show is revived or moves to a different network, which is why you'll run into situations where you have more than 1 start-end date. I'd say just skip any article that has something after the date other than one of the various reference tags. Once your bot clears a big chunk from the list, it will be easier to see how to handle the others, if at all. --Gonnym (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, sounds good to me. Rest of the edits went well I think, got a good variety of kinds of templates in my internal logs to show it's skipping the right stuff now. Perhaps Special:Diff/970972042 was notable, in that the edit itself was fine but if you notice
|first_aired=
above, it's implicitly given as the same year, but the year was omitted. Bot skipped it correctly. I don't think it'd result in false positives to make an inference here, but probably not worth the effort for the (hopefully) minority of templates that do this. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)- I'd skip that and not fix it. Here it might be correct, but in other places it can just be someone accidentally removing the year and the end year not being the same. --Gonnym (talk) 13:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, tangential note, do we want to add a similar tracking category to {{Infobox television season}}? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- No reason why not. But lets handle this first batch of 20k and then add it and {{Infobox television episode}}. --Gonnym (talk) 13:23, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, tangential note, do we want to add a similar tracking category to {{Infobox television season}}? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'd skip that and not fix it. Here it might be correct, but in other places it can just be someone accidentally removing the year and the end year not being the same. --Gonnym (talk) 13:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, sounds good to me. Rest of the edits went well I think, got a good variety of kinds of templates in my internal logs to show it's skipping the right stuff now. Perhaps Special:Diff/970972042 was notable, in that the edit itself was fine but if you notice
- There are some disagreements on how to use some of the fields when a show is revived or moves to a different network, which is why you'll run into situations where you have more than 1 start-end date. I'd say just skip any article that has something after the date other than one of the various reference tags. Once your bot clears a big chunk from the list, it will be easier to see how to handle the others, if at all. --Gonnym (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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Arbitration motion regarding Genetically modified organisms
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
Remedy 2 ("1RR imposed") of Genetically modified organisms is amended to read as follows:
The purpose of the amendment was to match the scope of the existing 1RR remedy and the discretionary sanctions remedy.
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- Steel1943, thanks for raising your concern. I've seen Gonnym's comment also. My earlier response was Special:Diff/973659499, but (as you can perhaps infer from the edit summary) I believe I misunderstood what that comment was referring to. I'll rethink and update later today. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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Why are you moving other editor's user pages and tagging them for deletion? Liz Read! Talk! 19:29, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Liz. User:DeltaQuad was renamed to User:AmandaNP a short while ago, and thus underlying pages moved. Template:Editnotices/Page/User:DeltaQuad/UAA/Blacklist is a editnotice which was apparently not moved along with her rename, as it should've been. It's meant to be shown when editing User:AmandaNP/UAA/Blacklist, but it wasn't since it wasn't moved. It correctly shows now, after my move. The leftover redirect from my move should be deleted as G6 per our policies, noting that the editnotice , the logic is summarised here. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Liz, following up, are you okay to delete the leftover now? Or any objections to me renominating it for another admin to look at? I believe this also has DQ's blessing. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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Bot problems
Bot's starting to mess up. See [3] and other recent edits. --Gonnym (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, ugh, thanks for noting. Will revert them all. I believe it's a patch I made today that caused the issue, didn't think it would affect since it didn't touch the code for this task but... ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, having looked into it: looks like it was actually due to an update I made yesterday, which it seems the server job to re-run the bot after code updates ran the old code somehow, hence why it was only triggered after my unrelated update today. Yesterday's update was to address Special:Diff/977027124. Not exactly sure why that diff happened, and (at least at the time of that diff) no other contribs had this issue. My regex on regex101, tested with that article, doesn't actually match the stuff in the table at all. Plus other edits on tables didn't have that issue. Combined, I have no idea what's going on in that diff (one of the links retained but the wikilink part stripped). To try address that, though, I nested some matches to ensure edits are definitely limited to within the infobox, but it seems that caused today's issue. Keeping the bot paused until I can look into this further.I guess the simplest way to fix that diff is to split everything up: i.e. (1) a regex to match the infobox, (2) a gsub on that match to change dates, (3) a sub on whole article text to replace it with the gsub from (2). Although, that would mean it can only handle a single IB per page. It currently uses a single regex to match inside IB and replace. Will go back to the drawing board and think of something, I guess. Let me know if you have any thoughts. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Just to add, on top of that diff (Special:Diff/977027124), it looks like there's Special:Diff/977076612 and Special:Diff/977062017 with similar issues (exhaustive list) across 5.5k edits. I can't see anything remarkable about these three diffs, and regex101 isn't giving me any signs, so I really don't know why it made that particular change. For diff 2 idk why it didn't touch the other categories. And for diff 3, well, not sure why it picked that sentence in particular. Best explanation I've got so far is there's a sentient bot with a vendetta against Universal Television and power-hungry Serpent Men. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- There is, of course, a far simpler and less exciting answer: poor edit conflict handling. :/ ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, that makes much more sense. Maybe try to get less pages in a batch so that will lower the possibilities for a conflict. --Gonnym (talk) 21:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Added in something along those lines. Also, just noticed some my checks (to avoid the issue in trial) were overprotective, and preventing stuff like Special:Diff/977264360 from being done. I've made the regex a fair bit more complicated, takes longer to do (might try optimise it later) but hopefully catches some more cases. Basically, includes refs, html comments, certain types of whitespace / weird infobox formatting (eg), etc. whilst trying to avoid more those ambiguous scenarios we discussed. Shouldn't cause issues, I believe; my unit tests pass & supervised edits look fine, so will let the bot run on a slower schedule for a while. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:41, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, that makes much more sense. Maybe try to get less pages in a batch so that will lower the possibilities for a conflict. --Gonnym (talk) 21:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- There is, of course, a far simpler and less exciting answer: poor edit conflict handling. :/ ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Just to add, on top of that diff (Special:Diff/977027124), it looks like there's Special:Diff/977076612 and Special:Diff/977062017 with similar issues (exhaustive list) across 5.5k edits. I can't see anything remarkable about these three diffs, and regex101 isn't giving me any signs, so I really don't know why it made that particular change. For diff 2 idk why it didn't touch the other categories. And for diff 3, well, not sure why it picked that sentence in particular. Best explanation I've got so far is there's a sentient bot with a vendetta against Universal Television and power-hungry Serpent Men. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Initial run complete
Gonnym Update: Bot has updated all it can, I believe. Still, just under 5,000 pages remain in Category:Pages using infobox television with nonstandard dates. At a spotcheck of 25, these range from formatting issues (eg |last_aired=
using {{start date}}), to both start and end date being in the same param (separated by a dash), to cases where first_aired omits the year, to a host of less common issues like Fun Factory (TV series). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Airtel Super Singer 2 and As the Bell Rings (Japanese TV series), add logic to change from "Present" to "present" (lowercase).
- Airtel Super Singer 3, "12/07/2010" and the page uses "Use dmy dates" so you can know how to fix that.
- Asia Market Wrap, "1998-02-02" - same as above, you can use the "Use dmy dates" template.
- Art of Spain (TV series), "<br />14 February 2008" - can your code strip the br tags in situations like these?
- Fun Factory (TV series), remove the wikilink as it isn't supported.
- Barnjournalen, "last_aired = {{start date|df=y|1991|3|23}}" - change the template to end date.
- Barrymore (TV series), "first_aired = 21 December 1991 -
29 December 2000" - split the dates into both fields. - Skins (American TV series) change the template {{dts||1|17}} to start date.
- I'm sure there are more, but if we can fix these, we can slowly refine the code. --Gonnym (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, pushed an update to handle many of these (1,2,3,4,6). Wiki links can probably be done without too much technical issue, but slightly concerned it may fall outside the BRFA's remit / be controversial. Splitting dates I haven't gotten around to yet. And re {{dts}}, it would mean implicitly determining the year (based on end date, as I don't believe {{start date}} supports DD-MM alone), which I thought we didn't want to do? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Nice job! Yeah, the example I gave for dts was bad, but I assumed that if I found one randomly, then it might be used more than once and in those situations it can have a year as well. --Gonnym (talk) 21:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, rethinking this; on a close read of ProcBot's task 2 BRFA, technically I didn't file the BRFA as "fixing all categorised television infobox date errors", rather just converting text dates into templates (for which the category was made, but still). Hence I think some of these may fall outside the scope of the BRFA I wrote. So, going to remove the regex for (1) from the list for now. Also going to have to alter (4) to only edit if it can parse the date after the cleanup. (6) is slightly iffy but I think it reasonably fits the scope, since it's the wrong template. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm. Primefac could you maybe advise here? Would there be an issue with doing any of these, particularly (1)? They are all currently categorised as Infobox television errors, but concerned if they’d fall within scope of the BRFA? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Goodness, that's still a lot of pages in that category. If the issue is no longer "text to template" conversions, but a general "fix issues", then yes, it would fall (slightly) outside the purview of the original BRFA. My suggestion would be to file a "Task 2.5" which expands upon the functionality but is still fixing the same (general) issue as the initial BRFA (i.e. tracked improper param values). I can't guarantee a speedy accept (since that would basically be bashing through a Task 2 addendum) but it should be able to get a speedy turnaround as far as trails go (since you've clearly got folks paying attention and helping out). Primefac (talk) 19:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/PrimeBOT 26.2 for what I'm talking about as far as expansions go.
- Thanks Primefac, I've filed task 2.5. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Goodness, that's still a lot of pages in that category. If the issue is no longer "text to template" conversions, but a general "fix issues", then yes, it would fall (slightly) outside the purview of the original BRFA. My suggestion would be to file a "Task 2.5" which expands upon the functionality but is still fixing the same (general) issue as the initial BRFA (i.e. tracked improper param values). I can't guarantee a speedy accept (since that would basically be bashing through a Task 2 addendum) but it should be able to get a speedy turnaround as far as trails go (since you've clearly got folks paying attention and helping out). Primefac (talk) 19:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/PrimeBOT 26.2 for what I'm talking about as far as expansions go.
- Nice job! Yeah, the example I gave for dts was bad, but I assumed that if I found one randomly, then it might be used more than once and in those situations it can have a year as well. --Gonnym (talk) 21:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Gonnym, pushed an update to handle many of these (1,2,3,4,6). Wiki links can probably be done without too much technical issue, but slightly concerned it may fall outside the BRFA's remit / be controversial. Splitting dates I haven't gotten around to yet. And re {{dts}}, it would mean implicitly determining the year (based on end date, as I don't believe {{start date}} supports DD-MM alone), which I thought we didn't want to do? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Motion at Clarification request: Abortion
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Tangential notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- See section "Pasdecomplot continued WP:OR and other conduct problems" CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:02, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- CaradhrasAiguo, thanks for notice. I don't quite recall the name of that editor, though. Have I interacted with them before, or in relation to this issue? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- No, not that I can tell, re: the last two questions. I notified you merely as a non-trivial participant in the last AN/I discussion on that user. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-38
16:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Procbot repeatedly editing sandbox
Hi there. In these edits, procbot seems determined to edit my sandbox. Sandboxes are used to try things out and I'm not currently interested in experimenting with the start-date and end-date templates. These bot edits were harmless (but annoying) - my concern is that by tampering with my experiments, you're just creating work for me if I'm ever doing anything interesting or time-consuming. I've had the nobots template in place for quite a while now, so I assume your bot is ignoring it. Is it possible/sensible to stop the bot attacking all sandboxes (at least pages with that name perhaps) or do you have an exclusion list that allows specific pages to be left alone? A better solution IMHO would be to stop disrespecting the nobots template but you may have reasons for disregarding it. Thanks :) --Northernhenge (talk) 15:59, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hey Northernhenge. Thanks for letting me know. It should be obeying exclusions, but it's a good idea for ProcBot's task 2 to ignore the userspace altogether (I will add that in at some point). I suspect the reason why the exclusion isn't being obeyed here is because your page contains {{Nobots}} rather than {{nobots}}. Currently, the exclusion support on ProcBot is a basic string check (not regex), thus I suspect it is case sensitive. I've made a slight change to work regardless of letter case, so it should ignore your sandbox now. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll change it to lower case. Obvious now you come to mention it! --Northernhenge (talk) 17:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Banner blindness
For better or worse, it's a tragedy of the commons situation: individuals think their preferred edit notice is of key importance, but scale that up to everyone, and editors just ignore the resulting ubiquitous messages. On the flip side, it's probably too late to do anything about the banner blindness effect with Wikipedia's current edit notices anyway, so it's generally not worth getting into protracted discussions about it. isaacl (talk) 21:24, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Isaacl, yeah :/ -- I'd like to have seen T201595 get developed but I guess I see what TheDJ was getting at now. On a smaller scale, similar issue with T75299, I'd like to have seen GA/FA icons on mobile (& got a potential patch for it). Feels like every other thing I end up taking an interest in is too late to save ;p ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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Arbitration motion regarding Abortion
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
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