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Jake Turnbull
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Player does not qualify for WP:NRU (Major League Rugby is not a notable league under WP:NRU), only brief mentions and news of him signing for sides so does not qualify for WP:GNG either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Dylan Taikato-Simpson
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Player does not qualify for WP:NRU (Major League Rugby, Italian Super 10 and Romanian leagues are not notable leagues under WP:NRU), only brief mentions and news of the player signing for teams so does not qualify for WP:GNG either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 21:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Nick Feakes
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Player does not qualify for WP:NRU (Major League Rugby is not a notable league under WP:NRU), only brief mentions and news of him signing for sides so does not qualify for WP:GNG either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Luke White (rugby union)
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Player does not qualify for WP:NRU (Major League Rugby is not a notable league under WP:NRU), only brief mentions and news of him signing for sides so does not qualify for WP:GNG either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Victoria Winter
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This page was created without any taking permission from Victoria Winter. And she herself wanted to remove the page but couldn't do so. So I request the admins to remove her page as quickly as possible. Amansingh197 (talk) 15:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Please see WP:FAQ/Article_subjects#How_can_I_get_rid_of_the_article_about_myself_or_my_company? any particular arguments on notability or some paragraphs to look into? Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Not because of the request, but because of analogy with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susana Rivadeneira and other discussions. Geschichte (talk) 20:47, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Sione Fangaiuiha
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Player does not qualify for WP:NRU (Major League Rugby is not a notable league under WP:NRU), only brief mentions and news of signing for sides so player doesn't qualify for WP:GNG either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Camberwell Road, Melbourne
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Article doesn't show notability and I couldn't find anything else after a Google search to prove that it warrants its own article. Suonii180 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC) Adding
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- Delete - zero evidence of notability; how on earth this has lasted 13 years, I will never know Spiderone 19:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete What utter junk. What Spiderone said. Spiderone and Suonii180 I have added Riversdale Road, Melbourne by the same author to this as a nearby road and junction with similar lack of notability. Reywas92Talk 00:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Camberwell Junction - it's a listed place on the Victorian Heritage Register and there are sources about it, so the Google search the nominator apparently did wasn't particularly good (I found this with less than a minute of searching for it), e.g. here. Reywas92, calling something "utter junk" is not helpful, just say something is notable or not instead of name-calling. Deus et lex (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Katerina Bexis
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PROD (by Geschichte) was Footballer who has never played in a professional league. No international caps according to Soccerway.com
Removed with reason According to its article, this is the top-level national league. By insisting that it is not "professional", you are making the sexist argument that women can never be notable in this sport.
I could not find any effective references for Bexis. The best ones I found were [1] and [2]. I am unable to find evidence that suggests she could pass WP:GNG. Spiderone 10:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete, does not meet any Wikipedia guideline. Geschichte (talk) 11:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 15:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Olympic Hot Doughnuts
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The only actually reliable source is the article in the Age, which is not about this eating place, but a later one on the same site. DGG ( talk ) 07:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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Rochelle Kuhar
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PROD was initially placed with Footballer who has never played in a professional league.
PROD removed with comment According to its article, this is the top-level national league. By insisting that it is not "professional", you are making the sexist argument that women can never be notable in this sport.
Taken to AfD but procedural keep as was bundled with another footballer with which the only thing they had in common was being Australian female footballers with 9 appearances.
This article is required to meet WP:GNG but I just can't find much in the way of coverage. A WP:BEFORE search led to this [3] but it's not sufficient. A lot of the coverage online is for an American restaurant owner with the exact same name. Spiderone 18:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete, does not meet any Wikipedia guideline. Geschichte (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 19:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Zoe Palandri
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Contested PROD deprod - that consensus is for players who have retired with only one game not for still active players
My initial PROD was long standing consensus that one game (https://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/zoe-palandri/) is not enough to be inherently notable, I can't see any sign that Palandri passes WP:GNG either
Starting an AfD to see whether one brief substitute appearance at the highest level is enough and also to discuss whether Palandri passes WP:GNG Spiderone 09:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
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Delete: Missing WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:SPORTBASIC also WP:TOOSOON in all likelihood. -- Roger editor (talk) 10:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 10:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet our absurdly broad inclusion criteria for footballers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Greg Hall (businessman)
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The article does not meet WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, or WP:ANYBIO. Sources in article and WP:BEFORE revealed no WP:RS containing material that meets WP:SIGCOV. BLP articles should strictly follow sourcing requirements in guidelines. // Timothy :: talk 06:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete another in a very long list of articles on non-notable businessmen.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:GNG as above mentioned.Jjj84206 (talk) 15:50, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep I've updated the article with a few more references and clarified the subject's claim to notability. Under his directorship, the first uranium mine in the history of Western Australia was approved. He is also the President of South Australia's mining and energy lobby (SACOME). While the uranium mining sector tends to keep a low profile generally, it is important globally as the sole source of feedstock for nuclear fuel. --Danimations (talk) 01:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - sources added by Danimations make the subject notable enough to meet GNG. Deus et lex (talk) 02:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
EInvest
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Fails WP:NCORP. scope_creepTalk 19:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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Yellowfin Business Intelligence
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Promotional page. Was un-deleted, and a large list of awards promptly restored. No fixes to the page's promotional content to make it neutral have been made. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete: I previously proposed this for deletion. Yellowfin does not meet the notability guideline for companies. – Teratix ₵ 22:31, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Teraplane (talk) 02:29, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete (I'm tempted to say salt also). This clearly isn't notable and only serves to advertise the company. It really shouldn't have been recreated in the first place. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt No indication of being notable. Fails WP:NCORP on many ways. scope_creepTalk 09:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Discover Deadly
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Similar to Bunbury Wildlife Park, this appears to be a local attraction with a lack of substantial third-party coverage outside of a hundred TripAdvisor hits. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 01:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete lacks notability. Balle010 (talk) 05:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Carbunup River, Western Australia - the park is already mentioned at that page. Not enough notability for a separate article but the suburb redirect is an appropriate alternative to deletion. Deus et lex (talk) 11:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Bunbury Wildlife Park
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I can find the usual deluge of TripAdvisor items, but nothing more susbstantial that would amount to solid independent coverage. It's quite possible that something may be hiding among all these listings, but I couldn't spot it . It seems that zoos often only get substantial coverage when there's some kind of scandal or blow-up (so kudos to Bunbury's for not generating news) but it makes it hard to present independent sourcing... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 00:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete lacks notability. Balle010 (talk) 05:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG. Pahiy (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to South Bunbury, Western Australia - users are required to consider alternatives to deletion and there is no indication that a redirect to the suburb name is inappropriate. Deus et lex (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
All Sparks Burn Out
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Tagged for notability since 2015. The playlists linked in the article are not significant coverage, and Offbeat and Sounds Better With Reverb looks like blogs, the unearthed piece is very short, and the last one is an interview. Not finding much better in a WP:BEFORE, although my browser does down-weight non-American sites in my searches. Doesn't look to pass WP:GNG or WP:NBAND. Hog Farm Bacon 19:36, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete Couldn't find any reliable sources. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete They appear to have burnt out on their own, nothing notable provided. Oaktree b (talk) 20:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Pro Wrestling Australia
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Contest speedy for gregarious and unsourced reasons that smack of original research and fan bias. Previously redirected as Pro Wrestling Alliance Australia with the redirect later deleted as the target was redirected as well. Makes no claim in the article to notability and relies too heavily on it's own website, Cage Match and Wrestling Data. Therefore is not notable and is certainly not the "biggest wrestling company in Sydney" judging by the lack of sources that confirm the contrary Addicted4517 (talk) 09:39, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment Honest question, do you know anything about professional wrestling? and are you Australian?.If the answer is no to both maybe you should stop trying to interfere on professional wrestling pages. However if you think the PWA article should be deleted then I would propose you delete any article in relation to Australian independent Professional Wrestling as none of them are notable. The list of professional wrestling organisations in Australia article features promotions who do not run shows nor are as notable as PWA. So my recommendation would be to remove that article for not being notable as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.101.171.34 (talk) 07:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, yes and the remainder of this comment is entirely inappropriate as there is no understanding of policy, in particular about the difference between articles and lists like the list of professional wrestling organisations in Australia. Your original research re PWA's notability is against WP policy. If you believe PWA is notable you must locate sources to prove this, and as I have already looked and there are not there would be no point. This is not the case for Riot City Wrestling as an example. Addicted4517 (talk) 04:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Also, even if we have articles for promotions that are less notable than this article that would be a case for deleting them not keeping this one.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 22:55, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, yes and the remainder of this comment is entirely inappropriate as there is no understanding of policy, in particular about the difference between articles and lists like the list of professional wrestling organisations in Australia. Your original research re PWA's notability is against WP policy. If you believe PWA is notable you must locate sources to prove this, and as I have already looked and there are not there would be no point. This is not the case for Riot City Wrestling as an example. Addicted4517 (talk) 04:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete most of the sources are cagematch or wrestlingdata, which don't prove notability. The other ones just mention the promotion because other promotion went to australia (progress or GFW). I don't see enough sources to prove notability. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, looking other deletion proposals around here, I think https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/02/australias-wrestling-scene-is-creating-world-class-stars/ and https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/how-australian-grapplers-are-making-wrestling-cool-again-20190219-p50ypw.html can suffice for the so called WP:GNG. They are more than passing mentions. smaller mentions are https://www.supanova.com.au/handy-guide-australias-local-wrestling-scene/ and https://medium.com/my-muscle-chef/pro-wrestling-australia-call-to-arms-and-gains-a3edf21dec1c (this one is funny) too. I vote keep. Mathias (talk) 05:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- One problem. All four links are promotional, especially the last two (with the first only being a trivial mention. There are also serious WP:INHERIT issues with the SMH article with all the mentions of WWE personnel, as well as similar but not as obvious issues with the Supanova article. It should noted with that link also that Supanova concentrated on the promotions that have a history of presenting shows at Supanova events, furthering the promotional issues. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Angela Fimmano
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This footballer/soccer player has never played in a professional league, and only 24 matches in an amateur league. It was deprodded because there exists an interview with Fimmano, then a school student aged 17, but the interview unfortunately is not independent coverage, being a Q&A. Geschichte (talk) 19:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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Delete - it was more a hopeful dePROD than anything else. After a lot of searching, I found these [4] [5] but neither of those are independent or hugely significant. Given that she has presumably retired, I can't see any other sources popping up. If anyone does find something, please ping me. Spiderone 20:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 14:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - She fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Dougal18 (talk) 15:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. According to its article, the W-league is the top league available to women in Australia. Either we need to keep its players per WP:NSPORT, or we need to scrap NSPORT as imposing a sexist double standard and consistently apply full-GNG-based standards to all athletes (not just the women). —David Eppstein (talk) 05:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- This article doesn't pass WP:NFOOTY on either point 1 or 2. If we are using NFOOTY alone, then it will end up being deleted. What's more relevant is WP:GNG. If we can find evidence of GNG, and I don't think we're a million miles off that, then this can and should be kept. Spiderone 09:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- I fully support a discussion about presumed notability for athletes. I think it would be worth bringing up at WT:NSPORT. Jay eyem (talk) 17:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Fully support the comments by Eppstein. Why impose biased criteria on women?--Ipigott (talk) 09:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The nomination by Geschichte is false. The W-League is not an amateur league, it is a professional league (sources: [6], [7]). What it isn't is a "fully-professional" league, which is a term used mostly on Wikipedia based on the WP:FPL essay, and hardly seen mention of elsewhere, definitely not in wide consensus or use, as would be expected of a term used to assume notability. --SuperJew (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Your source stems from 2017, several years after Fimmano's career ended, and explicitly states: "Previously, many players were considered amateur and received only reimbursement of expenses." As such the amateur sport of the time was similar to amateur theatre, church choirs and garage bands. You seem quite unfamiliar with Wikipedia's sports guidelines, where the expression "fully professional" has been used in several sports for years. Geschichte (talk) 17:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak delete Based on the sources provided, I don't think this meets WP:GNG. The sources provided do not constitute significant coverage, as they are just Q&As with the player themselves, without going too in-depth. I did a search to find other sources and did not find any that constituted in-depth coverage. Whether or not the player played at a professional level, "fully-professional" or otherwise, they still need to pass GNG, and that has not been demonstrated here. Jay eyem (talk) 17:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - the nomination statement by User:Geschichte is false, as this is most definitely a professional, and not an amateur league. Two years ago the minimum salary was increased as per this. This means that none of the players are amateur. It doesn't mean it's fully-professional - but the claim it's amateur is 100% false. And if this is wrong, what else is wrong? Nfitz (talk) 22:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Why is it relevant what happened two years ago? The player retired several years before that. Geschichte (talk) 22:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- The league has been professional for years. The date of the pay rise doesn't change the claim that they were amateur then as being 100% false. Please correct your error and stop making false claims. Nfitz (talk) 17:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- It's probably worth correcting it to say something like "semi-professional", or at least noting that the league is not considered fully-professional since that's the benchmark typically used for presumed notability of footballers. Based on the link provided, I don't think "amateur" is an accurate descriptor when one is guaranteed a minimum of $10,000. Jay eyem (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: There seems to be some sources added to the article but the keep votes in this discussion barely talk about them. Editors are reminded to keep there comments on the notability of this individual and avoid wider comments around notability guidelines.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 20:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The sources provided confirm notability. Yes, the sources are somewhat weak but it's enough to suffice WP:GNG and since WP:NFOOTY says "presumed notable" it should be kept. Even then WP:IAR is a thing and and should be used more frequently when improving the encyclopedia. If anyone here thinks that adding articles on women footballers isn't improving Wikipedia then you have more issues than simply adhering to policy. That is not pointing fingers because I don't know anyone here personally and you don't know me. That's just an observation based on the eyeball test. :)--Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The Adelaide Advertiser sources demonstrate notability. — Toughpigs (talk) 22:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I am slightly concerned with the sources added for a couple of reasons. The main one being that the sources presented, The Advertiser and the Standard Messenger, are both tabloids, which typically are not considered to be reliable sources (especially since both are owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, whose New York Post is notoriously unreliable). Is there an electronic version of these articles that is accessible? I did not find any, and that would better help determine whether GNG has been met, especially since the arguments they are supporting (being coached by David Beckham, receiving a scholarship, and being part of an advertising campaign) don't really demonstrate GNG. Not that an electronic source is necessary, but it would be helpful for these particular sources. Jay eyem (talk) 23:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - News Corp sources are generally accepted as reliable by Wikipedia. The Advertiser is not on the list but the Australian has been raised and accepted. Deus et lex (talk) 22:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- I find that a bit surprising given the Post's reputation and The Advertiser also being a tabloid. Is there a discussion about its notability somewhere? I do see that The Australian, being under News Corp, is accepted, although that appears to be a proper newspaper. Jay eyem (talk) 01:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Unless the source is blacklisted then it can be used. I'm not sure if you are aware that "tabloid" has a slightly different meaning in Australia to some other countries. Deus et lex (talk) 02:20, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- I will admit to not knowing the regional differences when referring to the use of the word "tabloid", but the argument that a source is fine as long as it isn't blacklisted is false. There is a whole manner of arguments about what constitutes an acceptable source at WP:RS and WP:V. Evaluating that isn't my area of expertise, which is why I was hoping to see a discussion about this particular source, or to at least have a digital copy presented. The burden of proof is on those arguing that the source is reliable, and it is difficult to evaluate GNG with the flimsy evidence currently presented. Jay eyem (talk) 05:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm well aware of the WP:RS policy and what it means - your argument was that the Advertiser is a source in general that is unreliable (to which I assume you mean along the lines of something like the Daily Mail). My response to that is that there is nothing to suggest that: it's the main newspaper for Adelaide, the state capital, and there has generally not been issues raised with its reliability - issues raised about News Corp generally relate to political bias or opinion pieces, not the reliability of news articles. By all means deal with the individual articles and whether they have significant coverage, but don't go down some road to suggest that every article in the newspaper is unreliable because that simply isn't true. Deus et lex (talk) 11:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- I will admit to not knowing the regional differences when referring to the use of the word "tabloid", but the argument that a source is fine as long as it isn't blacklisted is false. There is a whole manner of arguments about what constitutes an acceptable source at WP:RS and WP:V. Evaluating that isn't my area of expertise, which is why I was hoping to see a discussion about this particular source, or to at least have a digital copy presented. The burden of proof is on those arguing that the source is reliable, and it is difficult to evaluate GNG with the flimsy evidence currently presented. Jay eyem (talk) 05:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Unless the source is blacklisted then it can be used. I'm not sure if you are aware that "tabloid" has a slightly different meaning in Australia to some other countries. Deus et lex (talk) 02:20, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- I find that a bit surprising given the Post's reputation and The Advertiser also being a tabloid. Is there a discussion about its notability somewhere? I do see that The Australian, being under News Corp, is accepted, although that appears to be a proper newspaper. Jay eyem (talk) 01:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - News Corp sources are generally accepted as reliable by Wikipedia. The Advertiser is not on the list but the Australian has been raised and accepted. Deus et lex (talk) 22:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. This player retired from the W-League (Australia) in 2012. As of 2013, an article in the Sydney Morning Herald quoted Melissa Barbieri, another player in the league as saying, "You'd find that every club has it's own way of running, there's a salary cap but there's no floor. You'll find that a player earns $10,000 in a team and another earns nothing." [8] So, as of 2013, it sounds like the W-League was not a fully professional league, even if it is one now. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- No Wikipedia policy or guideline uses "fully-professional" as its criterion for deciding the notability of a football athlete. WP:FOOTY states that "players who have played, and managers who have managed, in a competitive game between two teams from fully professional leagues will generally be regarded as notable". That does not preclude players not in "fully professional" leagues from being notable. It's determining factor is an essay, WP:FPL. Both the guideline and essay are extremely biased, historically and even currently, against the overwhelming majority of women footballers. I have asked how many women were involved in the writing of this essay on multiple occasions because I do believe that matters as only a small percentage of women's leagues and players are considered professional enough for inclusion in the eyes of the creators of this essay, as it currently stands. Nothing but silence from them but maybe they will respond one day. The essay also states it is "incomplete". That disqualifies it or anything it says as its factors for inclusion as a means to determine notability. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- As noted in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lauren Chilvers, there is nothing preventing women from contributing at WT:FPL or WT:NSPORT. AfD is not the place for this discussion. Jay eyem (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- No Wikipedia policy or guideline uses "fully-professional" as its criterion for deciding the notability of a football athlete. WP:FOOTY states that "players who have played, and managers who have managed, in a competitive game between two teams from fully professional leagues will generally be regarded as notable". That does not preclude players not in "fully professional" leagues from being notable. It's determining factor is an essay, WP:FPL. Both the guideline and essay are extremely biased, historically and even currently, against the overwhelming majority of women footballers. I have asked how many women were involved in the writing of this essay on multiple occasions because I do believe that matters as only a small percentage of women's leagues and players are considered professional enough for inclusion in the eyes of the creators of this essay, as it currently stands. Nothing but silence from them but maybe they will respond one day. The essay also states it is "incomplete". That disqualifies it or anything it says as its factors for inclusion as a means to determine notability. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- delete after reading through the discussion Etc. Etc. it sounds like she was not pro at the time she played. Although, now the league she played for is pro. I don't think the notability guidelines athletes works retroactively though if they didn't play pro, they didn't play pro. Period. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- The league was discontinued in 2004 and brought back in 2008 as a professional league. She played from 2008 to 2012. The question is whether the women's leagues are or are not considered professional if they are not paid like the men's leagues. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- From the discussion Etc. It sounded like the pay raise happened during or after she was playing though. Otherwise, I don't see why it would be a part of the discussion. Really, I don't see why it would be anyway. I'll look back over things and change my vote if it's error though and the pay raise thing gets clearly worked out. It doesn't seem like it has. But I could have read something wrong. Adamant1 (talk) 19:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- My comment was not to alter your views but simply counter them with further thought. Whether she was specifically paid or not shouldn't matter, you are correct, but that is precisely the argument of those at FPL who use NFOOTY as their basis for inclusion. Going on the sources for the Wikipedia article for the league, it was brought back in 2008 because of the need for a professional women's league in Australia. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- From the discussion Etc. It sounded like the pay raise happened during or after she was playing though. Otherwise, I don't see why it would be a part of the discussion. Really, I don't see why it would be anyway. I'll look back over things and change my vote if it's error though and the pay raise thing gets clearly worked out. It doesn't seem like it has. But I could have read something wrong. Adamant1 (talk) 19:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- The league was discontinued in 2004 and brought back in 2008 as a professional league. She played from 2008 to 2012. The question is whether the women's leagues are or are not considered professional if they are not paid like the men's leagues. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - sources in the article from the Advertiser (a metropolitan newspaper) ensure this article clearly meets WP:GNG. Deus et lex (talk) 22:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG. Hmlarson (talk) 18:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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