Welcome to my talk page. Please leave me a note by starting a new subject You may want to have a look at the subjects in the header of this talkpage before starting a new subject. The question you may have may already have been answered there Dirk Beetstra
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I am the main operator of User:COIBot. If you feel that your name is wrongly on the COI reports list because of an unfortunate overlap between your username and a certain link or text, please ask for whitelisting by starting a new subject . For a better answer please include some specific 'diffs' of your edits (you can copy the link from the report page). If you want a quicker response, make your case at WT:WPSPAM or WP:COIN. COIBot - Talk to COIBot - listings - Link reports - User reports - Page reports |
Responding
I will respond to talk messages where they started, trying to keep discussions in one place (you may want to watch this page for some time after adding a question). Otherwise I will clearly state where the discussion will be moved/copied to. Though, with the large number of pages I am watching, it may be wise to contact me here as well if you need a swift response. If I forget to answer, . ON EXTERNAL LINK REMOVAL
There are several discussions about my link removal here, and in my archives. If you want to contact me about my view of this policy, please read and understand WP:NOT, WP:EL, WP:SPAM and WP:A, and read the discussions on my talkpage or in my archives first. My view in a nutshell: External links are not meant to tunnel people away from the wikipedia. Hence, I will remove external links on pages where I think they do not add to the page (per WP:NOT#REPOSITORY and WP:EL), or when they are added in a way that wikipedia defines as spam (understand that wikipedia defines spam as: '... wide-scale external link spamming ...', even if the link is appropriate; also read this). This may mean that I remove links, while similar links are already there or which are there already for a long time. Still, the question is not whether your link should be there, the question may be whether those other links should be there (again, see the wording of the policies and guidelines). Please consider the alternatives before re-adding the link:
If the linkspam of a certain link perseveres, I will not hesitate to report it to the wikiproject spam for blacklisting (even if the link would be appropriate for wikipedia). It may be wise to consider the alternatives before things get to that point. The answer in a nutshell Please consider if the link you want to add complies with the policies and guidelines. If you have other questions, or still have questions on my view of the external link policy, disagree with me, or think I made a mistake in removing a link you added, . If you absolutely want an answer, you can try to poke the people at WT:EL or WT:WPSPAM on your specific case. Also, regarding link, I can be contacted on IRC, channel [1]. Reliable sources
I convert inline URL's into references and convert referencing styles to a consistent format. My preferred style is the style provided by cite.php (<ref> and <references/>). When other mechanisms are mainly (but not consistently) used (e.g. {{ref}}/{{note}}/{{cite}}-templates) I will assess whether referencing would benefit from the cite.php-style. Feel free to revert these edits when I am wrong. Converting inline URLs in references may result in data being retrieved from unreliable sources. In these cases, the link may have been removed, and replaced by a {{cn}}. If you feel that the page should be used as a reference (complying with wp:rs!!), please discuss that on the talkpage of the page, or Note: I am working with some other developers on mediawiki to expand the possibilities of cite.php, our attempts can be followed here and here. If you like these features and want them enabled, please vote for these bugs. Stub/Importance/Notability/Expand/Expert
I am in general against deletion, except when the page really gives misinformation, is clear spam or copyvio. Otherwise, these pages may need to be expanded or rewritten. For very short articles there are the different {{stub}} marks, which clearly state that the article is to be expanded. For articles that do not state why they are notable, I will add either {{importance}} or {{notability}}. In my view there is a distinct difference between these two templates, while articles carrying one of these templates may not be notable, the first template does say the article is probably notable enough, but the contents does not state that (yet). The latter provides a clear concern that the article is not notable, and should probably be {{prod}}ed or {{AfD}}ed. Removing importance-tags does not take away the backlog, it only hides from attention, deleting pages does not make the database smaller. If you contest the notability/importance of an article, please consider adding an {{expert-subject}} tag, or raise the subject on an appropriate wikiproject. Remember, there are many, many pages on the wikipedia, many need attention, so maybe we have to live with a backlog. Having said this, I generally delete the {{expand}}-template on sight. The template is in most cases superfluous, expansion is intrinsic to the wikipedia (for stubs, expansion is already mentioned in that template). |
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COIBot report
How long does the COIBot take to generate a report? I requested a report for karnatakatourism.org at COIBot/Poke here, and it's been five hours and it still hasn't been generated. This MER-C X-wiki report shows that this domain has been used many times across at least six Wikis, and those are just the occurrences that have not been reverted. The COIBot report should reveal a lot more. —Bruce1eetalk 12:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Bruce1ee, it can take quite long if there are a lot of other reports waiting (these reports do not have priority, so they go to the end of the queue). To get an idea whether there is actually a queue you can see the edit summaries on the COIBot edits on the '/LinkReports' (like this edit), the numbers show what is in the queue.
- Sometimes COIBot seems to fail to see the edit to the poke-pages, and last week due to the move to libera I have been restarting the bot over-and-over, and it had some downtime due to the freenode server change. It can be that COIBot was not there when the report was requested.
- My suggestion is to just request it again quite some hours later, and if it is more than 2 times you requested it and it still did not work, that maybe it will not work at all (there are some reports that it just cannot save because of spam blacklist issues or title blacklist issues, or the report is too big to parse and the report-parser dies in the process due to memory issues). If you have access to IRC (libera), you can find the bot in #wikimedia-external-links and some other channels, and ask it there to give you data ('whoadded karnatakatourism.org' etc.). Dirk Beetstra T C 07:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info. I requested the report again here, but now, after almost seven hours, it still hasn't been generated. I suspect it may be that the report is too big. If you look at MER-C's X-wiki report you'll see that this domain has been used many times across at least six Wikis, and those are just the occurrences that have not been reverted. —Bruce1eetalk 15:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
@Bruce1ee: I am running some commands:
Beetstra> whoadded karnatakatourism.org <COIBot> 114 records; Top 10 editors who have added karnatakatourism.org: Adityaglobals (43), Karnataka Tourism (11), Siddhartha Ghai (3), Crashed greek (3), à®à®³ ஹரிஹரன௠(3), BrownHairedGirl (3), VASANTH S.N. (2), à° à°¹à±à°®à°¦à± నిసారౠ(2), Vishwanatha H S (2), GreenC bot (2). Beetstra> whereadded karnatakatourism.org <COIBot> 114 records; Top 10 wikis where karnatakatourism.org has been added: w:en (80), w:kn (5), w:ta (5), w:hi (4), w:bn (2), w:te (1), el.wikivoyage (1), w:gu (1), w:pl (1), w:zh (1).
It does not seem too much, I have tried again to put it in the queue. --Dirk Beetstra T C 05:33, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Just to be sure, there is a database dump here: m:user talk:COIBot/LinkReports/karnatakatourism.org. --Dirk Beetstra T C 06:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, that db dump helps. But there are a couple of diffs I don't understand, for example this diff does not add the domain to the article. Also, are all those diffs spam? This one is, but what about this one? —Bruce1eetalk 07:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Bruce1ee, hmm, that diff is strange, probably a hiccup with the bot (we had problems with backlogs and loading some time ago).
- In principle, the bots store ALL link additions in the database, and both the COIBot reports as these database dumps are just dumps of all recorded additions. The database is almost 10 years old I think, but there are gaps, and sometimes there are sets of diffs wrongly parsed. The real evidence are the actual diffs, most reports do need a bit of scrutiny in evaluation of individual diffs (especially if there are established editors seemingly adding the spam link - they may be vandalism reverts or genuine uses). And sometimes there are more diffs than what is in the database.
- How we respond is basically weighing good vs. bad additions. If there is no good use, we may blacklist. If there is some good use but uncontrollable spamming we may still blacklist, or try XLinkBot first. Sometimes we just have to go the long way and block all accounts that spam, because there is too much good use. Dirk Beetstra T C 08:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
Administrators' newsletter – June 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).
- Ashleyyoursmile • Less Unless
- Husond • MattWade • MJCdetroit • Carioca • Vague Rant • Kingboyk • Thunderboltz • Gwen Gale • AniMate • SlimVirgin (deceased)
- Consensus was reached to deprecate Wikipedia:Editor assistance.
- Following a Request for Comment the Book namespace was deprecated.
- Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.
- After a Clarification request, the Arbitration Committee modified Remedy 5 of the Antisemitism in Poland case. This means sourcing expectations are a discretionary sanction instead of being present on all articles. It also details using the talk page or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to discuss disputed sources.
Contact
Hi, can you please contact me urgently on email. I want to contact with a wikipedia administrator but the emails are not showing in the toolbox Alimsadozai69 (talk) 04:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Alimsadozai69, Special:EmailUser/Beetstra? It is in the toolbox (one of the boxes at the top left). Dirk Beetstra T C 05:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
The toolbox isnt showing. It says tools and it shows user contribuitions logs etc but not contact with email. And I am using the link you sent but it says this user has chosen to not receive emails. Can you send me a message at my mail. This is my email: alimsadozai69@hotmail.com Alimsadozai69 (talk) 05:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Alimsadozai69: I don't have that setting, I receive regularly emails through that function. If it does not work it is something with your account. Dirk Beetstra T C 05:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Help on a page
Hello Good day! It’s about the page Draft: Unlimited L.A the subject is highly notable in Nigeria as a music video director, he has won couple of prestigious awards and nominations in the Nigerian music video space, he’s also one of the top 10 best Nigeria music director of all time, you can make research or consult admin from Nigeria to make valid decisions Deplug1 (talk) 18:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Deplug1, just submit it for review and someone will take care of it. Dirk Beetstra T C 04:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)