Maja Thurup
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Fails WP:NBOOK. No sigcov, no reviews, no awards. Do not believe that this author is sufficiently notable to pass notability down to all his works. Rogermx (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment. If Bukowsksi isn't of sufficient stature for WP:NBOOK#5 then it's hard to imagine many authors who are. Anyway, this is simply a story included in one of his collections, and the existing article isn't very informative, so why not simply redirect to South of No North (short story collection) as an WP:ATD? pburka (talk) 23:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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Laura Les
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American singer who, from the lead of the article is "best known for being one half of the hyperpop duo 100 gecs". Following last year's AfD the previous article was merged into 100 gecs. I can't see anything to suggest that WP:BANDMEMBER is no longer applicable. Setting aside involvement in 100 gecs, there is not enough to meet WP:MUSICBIO John B123 (talk) 18:08, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - Simply being best-known for involvement in one group doesn't mean a subject hasn't shown notability outside of that role - There are plenty of examples here, but I'm sure we would all identify Ringo Starr, for instance, as a member of the Beatles before anything else. In this case, Les has received considerable coverage ([1] [2] [3]) related to "Haunted" since the previous AfD. The article's GQ and Rolling Stone references also discuss Les' music and life prior to her involvement in 100 gecs, which I would argue is coverage not directly related to her involvement in the band. AviationFreak💬 18:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge again to 100 gecs. To the previous voter, comparing this Ms. Les to Ringo is a real stretch. She has some older solo works but they are only mentioned in articles that are really about 100 gecs, or in one case collaborator Katie Dey. Her recent song "Haunted" has indeed gotten some press, but it is only described in each cited article rather briefly and the press seems to have decided it is a one-time side project so far. Per WP:TOOSOON she does not yet have enough of a solo presence to merit a personal article here. The fact that she released the solo song can be mentioned at the band's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 22:05, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per AviationFreak. Ringo Starr she may not be, but she's definitely notable and the sources within the article indicate notability and coverage aside from her being in the band. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 10:55, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per AviationFreak. Rab V (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 100 gecs. Simply does not meet WP:MUSICBIO, all good coverage is in relation to that band. Onel5969 TT me 04:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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Rudolf Hauschka
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No reliable sources exist to write a biography for Rudolf Hauschka. He is a little known anthroposophist writer. I am fond of finding little known historical individuals and improving their pages with reliable references but when you look up Hauschka nothing exists apart from some anthroposophy websites which are not reliable. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment - I was wondering how I knew his last name. Turns out he founded Dr. Hauschka, a very popular organic skincare line. I was shocked to see it did not have article, so, I took the liberty of creating a start. So, that is something to take into consideration - Dr. Hauschka.
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Romanian-American Congress
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AfD tag was applied by an IP with the edit summary "There is no such organization! As has been discussed for 15 years already. So, it's way past time to remove this fake nonsense". After looking at the article and doing some WP:BEFORE work, I'm taking on the nomination duties myself. Article has existed without references since its creation in 2006, and I couldn't find any hint that the organization even exists, much less that it meets notability standards. I was tempted to tag it for a speedy but refrained since if it's a hoax it's not obvious enough for G3 and the claim of being "the biggest Romanian-American cultural organization" could be interpreted as enough of a claim of notability to avert an A7. That said, the organization is not even listed at the Romanian embassy's list of Romanian-American organizations unless it's being confused with the "Congress Of Romanian Americans", for which I didn't find enough to establish notability either and whose web domain appears to have been taken over by a Portuguese-language film site. --Finngall talk 15:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Support deletion. Burn this. Even if it is found out to be real, it still fails notability. If this is confirmed as a hoax, it would make it the longest-lasting hoax on the English Wikipedia. Wizzito (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment looks to exist in the Library of Congress (see the little authority control box). Elli (talk | contribs) 19:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Elli made a good point with the Library of Congress, but this organization doesn't exactly seem like the one to be 'the largest' with so few sources. So, either this is a hoax or a grossly exaggerated article that fails WP:GNG. Also, note that the original creator of the article is banned for sockpuppetry. I don't know if the existence of it in the Library of Congress should be trusted, those could be user-generated as well. Wizzito (talk) 19:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Doesn't appear to be a hoax, although the real name is "Congresul Național Român-American" which translates to "Romanian-American National Congress" per the LoC page. Based on that translation I found this book they published about the Iron Guard, and this collection of papers in the Online Archive of California about a former president of the group named George Duma. A text search of the book "Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party" describes the group as affiliated with the Iron Guard as well as the World Anti-Communist League and other groups ranging from conservative to fascist. This court case describes the group as a member of the National Confederation of American Ethnic Groups, which appears to have been a white ethnic organization; this book excerpt says that the NCAEG and the Romanian-American National Congress were among multiple groups that caused a controversy for George H. W. Bush's 1998 campaign after they left the Republican Party's Republican Heritage Groups Council when the news broke that they had "ties to Nazis and Nazi collaborators". I'm not arguing for or against deletion, just sharing what I found. ezlevtlk
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- Meh, just delete it. The existing name and content don't match the sources anyone has found, and nobody has found sources to support the existence of the existing name and content, let alone to establish notability. This AfD will still be here if I or anyone else wants to create an article for the "Romanian-American National Congress", which is described and sourced above, and probably isn't the group this article is meant to be about. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 00:02, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. It can be assumed that either this is a blatant hoax, this is all a really stupid lie to make the Romanian-American National Congress look good to people who can't look things up for themselves
such as us, clearly, this is actually the Romanian-American Foundation erroneously under a different name (note similar purpose, though the RAF only came into existence in 2008, two years after this article was written), there actually was a separate "Romanian-American Congress" that existed briefly but went nowhere and was given this fake article for no reason, or this is a secret society we shouldn't know about and we're all going to die. It's probably one of the first four. Regardless, this is unsourced, the name doesn't exist, and the claims the article makes are false. Congratulations on catching the oldest hoax on the wiki, folks! AdoTang (talk) 00:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Thomas Vincent Cator
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Unimportant person, only very few references of little significance 20th c violin concerto (talk) 21:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Creating deletion discussion for Thomas Vincent Cator
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Max Kästl
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Unimportant person, only two obituaries as reference 20th c violin concerto (talk) 21:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Creating deletion discussion for Max Kästl
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- delete A lot of oddities here: the nominator is also the original author of the page, and that first version references a page which largely duplicates it, and which Internet Archive picked up within days of this articles creation. The two obits I could not pull up, but I note that the Baltimore Symphony wasn't started until about a decade after this fellow died. Mangoe (talk) 04:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Grove article on Baltimore mentions an earlier Baltimore Symphony Orchestra which was started by Ross Jungnickel in 1890, so it would have been that one with which the subject was associated. (There is no mention of the subject in Grove though.) AllyD (talk) 05:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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USA Water Ski & Wake Sports Foundation Hall of Fame and Museum
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Fails WP:NORG and WP:GEOFEAT; also contains no sources. PROD tag was removed. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 18:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment have just rev-del'ed the content copied from here as there's no indication that was freely available. Pardon AfD tag issues. Will restore it. Star Mississippi 18:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- and I've had to do this again. In case you're reading here, please stop doing that. It does not help establish notability and will be removed. Star Mississippi 19:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, this does not appear to be an actual museum, but rather a sport hall of fame in a room at the visitor center. I would have said redirect to USA Water Ski, but there's no there there either. I suppose one line wouldn't hurt though. Star Mississippi 18:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Otto Ferdinand Muller von Czernicki
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This seems to be a similar case to the Japanese football articles that I nominated last year for deletion. Fails WP:NFOOTBALL. While he was selected for the 1928 Summer Olympics team, he did not appear in a match. Lettlerhello • contribs 17:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Sanjay Bhadauria Damras
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No indication of notability, non-elected politician. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOLITICIAN. Already moved to draft by other reviewer Draft:Sanjay Bhadauria Damras. GermanKity (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Patrick Goodpaster
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Non-notable college football player, cannot actually find proof/statistics he ever played a game for the Ravens, fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 16:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment. I am finding abundant WP:SIGCOV in The Coloradoan. E.g., (1) this part 1/part 2, (2) this, (3) this part 1/part 2. However, GNG requires such coverage in multiple sources. All I found from the Denver newspaper is brief stuff that falls short of SIGCOV. I did find this and this regarding his career as a police officer which makes it a closer call. Cbl62 (talk) 18:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn’t appear to satisfy GNG and college career doesn’t appear to very notable outside of the articles mentioned above which are from the same source.--Rockchalk717 19:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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Nessie Rock
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Unsure how notable this is, or even if it is accepted outside Bulgaria. Slatersteven (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete This rock on not the article's map File:Livingston-Island-Map-2010-15.png so I'm baffled what the basis for an article is beyond mere existence. Quite a few pages on Template:South Shetlands that likewise lack any notability. Reywas92Talk 00:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Then they should all be AFD'd.Slatersteven (talk) 09:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The notability criteria applicable to this article on a named natural feature are set in Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features): Geographic regions, areas and places and stipulate that:
- Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc. The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river.
- In this particular case, the sources provided ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article comprising, in addition to name and location, information such as: description of the geographic feature; related features; etymology of the name; maps showing the feature’s vicinity, related features, and the feature itself (nameless at the time of mapping); and visualization of the feature through interactive satellite imagery.
- By the way, the amount of information in the article is comparable to that of a good number of other articles in the relevant Category:Landforms of Antarctica and subcategories. Apcbg (talk) 16:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Of course it's comparable, you made many of these minimal articles! WP:NGEO is also clear that "This guideline specifically excludes maps, tables, lists, databases, etc., from consideration when establishing topic notability, because these sources often establish little except the existence of the subject." so the notion that because the feature can be viewed on a map or satellite image it is notable is ridiculous. How does listing "related features" establish notability for this feature??? Small rocks are not automatically notable because we know the source of their name and that they are rocks. South_Shetland_Islands#Islands could have a subarticle that really puts these in context of each other with the "vicinity", "related features", and all the generic links that don't actually provide coverage of the topic together. Reywas92Talk 18:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Modular stadium
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None of the sources seem to be about the general idea of "modular stadium"; the first sentence of the article seems to say that it is about a stadium called "Legacy Modular Stadium", in which case it would be non-notable; in addition to other problems with the sources. The owner of all ✌️ 16:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Linux Users of Victoria
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A WP:BEFORE check found nothing to indicate this organization meets the notability guideline i.e. I did not find any reliable sources discussing the topic in depth, much less multiple. Izno (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment: Hm. This is local to me, so I have a reasonable eye for sources. This is pretty short and can be construed as routine, but it's entirely about it, from one of our national newspapers of record, and, importantly, not local -- the Sydney Morning Herald covering a group local to Melbourne caught my attention. This, this, and this represent them as important to the national FOSS community. This calls them "Australia's best known and most active open source community" (translated). Vaticidalprophet 17:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, sufficient sources. --Bduke (talk) 01:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing in the article shows why it is notable. Having almost 1500 members does not make it notable, quite the reverse. Lots of organisations have more than 1500 members and are not notable.--Grahame (talk) 04:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, per the sources noted above (which really ought to be incorporated into the article). jp×g 07:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- I still can't see any evidence in the sources quoted that it is a notable organisation. Nobody seems to be addressing notability.--Grahame (talk) 07:45, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, I've expanded it based on the sources above. Vaticidalprophet could you please add text for sources [6] and [7] sources from newspapers.com as I don't seem to have access? Thanks. --Gryllida (talk) 00:53, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Gryllida, you can get access through the Wikipedia Library for free. If that doesn't work, I'll see what I can do, but I've been busy elsewhere lately. Vaticidalprophet 00:55, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
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Puget Sound Regional Fire Authority
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Just simply not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show that it passes either WP:GNG or WP:ORGDEPTH. Would have redirected, but there doesn't seem to be a good target. Onel5969 TT me 14:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Major regional fire department with plenty of news sourcing per the above links--not just incidents they participated in, but things like personnel changes and the like. Jclemens (talk) 00:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Subject might be notable over time, but its formation failed to generate coverage from major local news sources. As it stands, it can be merged into the articles of the respective member cities. SounderBruce 02:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Jclemens -- Epluribusunumyall (talk) 06:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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2012 Horizon League Men's Soccer Tournament
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Non-notable college league football tournament, only sourced to the sanctioning league, fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 14:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 21:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Snow keep - tired of these WP:IDONTLIKEIT nominees for notable footballing competitions. Quidster4040 (talk) 00:05, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - no apparent coverage outside of sources controlled directly by the league itself so, as per the nominator, this fails the relevant guideline, which is GNG Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Shailesh Kumar Yadav
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Being IAS is not a measure of notability. His coverage is related to single event. But event is not very significant so claims at WP:1E. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, as per nomination. Can't find any reliable sources. JeanPaulMontmartre (talk) 12:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Ravichandran C
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A complete promo. There is claim to be author but no proper reception or discussion of his work. The criticism part is cited from quora. Fails WP:GNG, WP:AUTHOR, WP:Academic. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Anmol Preet
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Promo piece on a non-notable singer. Search finds nothing beyond social media listings etc., and the two sources cited in the article which are mostly about one of his songs and not about himself, so not even close to sigcov. (Previously deleted twice already, hence this AfD rather than speedy.) Fails WP:GNG / WP:SINGER. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete: per nom. No evidence of meeting WP:SINGER and fails GNG as the cited sources are either routine coverage of songs or interviews. Ab207 (talk) 06:09, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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Kryptonite Man
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This article fails WP:GNG. Coverage is limited to trivial mention in junk listicles. The only notable character to use the name has an article. The rest seem to be minor characters without any notability. I don't think there's anything to salvage from this convoluted mess of an article. TTN (talk) 12:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep There are obvious alternatives to deletion such as merger with Kryptonite, List of Superman enemies, &c. As the topic is covered in numerous sources, such as the DC Comics Encyclopedia; The Ages of Superman; In Search of Reality; and The Supervillain Book, it is best to retain the current page and improve it per WP:ATD, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 14:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please post an example of the supposed coverage in those sources and explain how they qualify as significant coverage on the topic. TTN (talk) 14:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Andrew Davidson, Those sources have been shown, again and again, to be just plot summaries, and are also usually not independent (being licensed and published by the same companies that own the primary sources). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per @Andrew Davidson: or merge with List of minor DC Comics characters in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Comment:Can anyone verify the claim above that significant printed coverage exists? Web sources are largely non-existent. Darkknight2149 04:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)- 'Delete. No reception/signfificance section. Fails GNG. Ping me if this changes so I can reconsider my vote. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to List of Superman enemies, until the nominator can be demonstrated to be wrong. Avilich (talk) 16:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to List of Superman enemies - I'm not expecting it, but if Andrew Davidson (or someone else) can substantiate the existence of substantial printed coverage, I will consider changing my vote. Darkknight2149 08:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Superman enemies as a redirect is a better option than deletion, and the list of villains page is the obvious choice. Rhino131 (talk) 11:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Leaning towards redirect but happy to be convinced otherwise.
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Coto River
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This dab page has only two partial matches. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: appears to be a helpful page disambiguating two confusable rivers. PamD 10:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, mostly as a search term. Where else would we direct a reader searching for "Koto River"? Geschichte (talk) 10:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Geschichte: I think that's a typo: Koto River is red. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Neither of these single-sentence articles indicate that the respective river is known as "Coto River". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I'm basing this on usage in scientific papers - see [4]. Almost all of these instances refer to a Costa Rica river. One could probably dig in and figure out which of the two is meant in each instance, but absent that, it seems clear that the short form is in use and that they form part of the same basin (see e.g. Figure 1 in this paper). --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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Kayla J. Yoo
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Fails WP:CREATIVE. Virtually no third party coverage. The bio relies on name-dropping. KH-1 (talk) 04:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. Found no significant work(s) of the subject. Fails WP:CREATIVE. Zin Win Hlaing (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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Tofiq Musayev
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Subject is a mixed martial arts fighter. Subject fails WP:MMABIO for not having at least 3 fights under tier one promoter (UFC/Invicta) nor hold top 10 world ranking and also fails GNG for fight results/info are routine reports. Cassiopeia(talk) 03:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Tofiq Musayev is the champion of a major MMA promotion and was ranked as the top Lightweight outside of the UFC (only losing his spot due to the pandemic and not being able to be active). He holds wins over 4 notable opponents. His page should not be deleted. Champions from other promotions (one championship, pfl, etc.) have wiki pages and they are not as notable as Tofiq.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darbaki (talk • contribs) 05:50, May 28, 2021 (UTC)
- Darbaki Comment :Hi, As explain to you on my talk page, Rizin has never been a top tier promotion under Wikipdedia WP:MMATIER guidelines. Secondly, the subject has not yet been ranked world top ten in Sherdog or Fight Metrix and lastyly, I have yet to find any independent, reliable English source stated the subject has been signed by UFC. Even if he is signed by UFC (by other languages sources), the subject needs to have at least 3 fights under tier one promoter or has been ranked world to ten to be warrant a page in Wikipedia. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (
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).. Cassiopeia(talk) 02:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Explain to me how Tofiq is not qualified as notable, when pages like Adriano Moraes, Christian Lee, Angela Lee, Aung La N Sang, Eduard Folayang, Kevin Belingon, Bibiano Fernandes, Xiong Jingnan, Alain Ngalani and Ilias Ennahachi all do not meet this criteria (All fighting under ONE Championship)?
Darbaki (talk) 23:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Also, Shooto quite literally is a smaller promotion than RIZIN. It holds much historical significance for the sport, but realistically cannot be considered a 'Top Tier' promotion in the industry. DREAM and PRIDE are both organizations who were ran by the same executives/producers as RIZIN and many fighters have fought in all 3 promotions (including RIZIN). Many Bellator fighters have wiki pages, many PFL fighters have wiki pages (despite not meeting that criteria). Darbaki (talk) 23:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Pride hasn't been considered a top tier MMA organization for a decade, so comparisons with it have no significance. The fact that you found WP articles on other fighters that don't meet WP:NMMA falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Feel free to put those articles up for deletion, but that has no impact on this discussion. Papaursa (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete He fails to meet any of the MMA notability criteria at WP:NMMA. He also fails to meet WP:GNG since he lacks significant independent coverage. Appearing in databases, rankings, and routine sports coverage do not help meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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P. C. Sanal Kumar
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Topic seems to have low notability in wider circles; very few references are available to demonstrate notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Speedy Keep. one of the Recipients of the Kerala Sahitya Akademi Award thus passes WP:AUTH.— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - winner of significant literary award. Note source material here. Furius (talk) 16:58, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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Vake, Fau
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Doesn't appear to be notable. Very poorly written, down to the title.
Article is about a New Zealand amateur MMA fighter that recently died from injuries sustained during an assault. He was a teammate of Israel Adesanya, but that doesn't establish notability on its own. All I could find about him on Google were news reports about his injuries and more reports about his death, but that's really it, and I can't find much else other than player databases or what look like blog posts. Some of the results are from actual reliable sources like The New Zealand Herald, The Sun, and the Associated Press, but that's all I can see, and none of them are linked here as sources. AdoTang (talk) 23:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I just rewrote the article quite a bit to add actual information and make it readable. Regardless, it doesn't really change his notability. Do note that he apparently only played one match, back in 2016 [1]. AdoTang (talk) 23:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. The subject is not notable as an MMA fighter, and notability is not inherited from being teammates with notable fighters. Coverage of Vake's assault and subsequent death is not sufficient to warrant an article per WP:VICTIM. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Jo Ment
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I believe this individual (in an article unsourced for 15 years) does not meet NMUSICIAN. While in theory WP:BAND#6 could apply, as well as stating it shouldn't be relied upon, the JLO is itself dubiously cited.
There are a few sources that can be found, but I could only find mentions in RS/indy secondary sources. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Tiruppur metropolitan area
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This article is nominated for speedy deletion , because with this exact name Tiruppur metrolopitan area article is exist in English wiki . And more than this Tiruppur is a part of Metropolitan Area of Coimbatore .
I nominate this article to delete to English wiki administrators — Preceding unsigned comment added by தனீஷ் (talk • contribs) 2021-05-19T08:01:22 (UTC)
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- Tiruppur is a part of Tiruppur metrolopitan area and the fifth largest urban agglomeration in the state of Tamilnadu. I have also submitted the authenticated 2011 census of the census department, transport authority documents and the Urban agglomeration in India official document describing the towns and villages in each urban agglomeration. Moreover Tiruppur metrolopitan area is not a part of Metropolitan Area of Coimbatore metropolitan area . The another article named Tiruppur metrolopitan area is already redirected to the current one - Tiruppur metrolopitan area. Hence there is not need of deletion. Administrators can check the sources submiited in the article. Ccmtt12345
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- Urbanization of Tiruppur city is only by population , not by governing body ,Although Tiruppur is a separate municipal corporation, Tirupur is not a metropolis, it is a metropolitan city of Coimbatore. Even Wikipedia article listed List of metropolitan areas in Tamilnadu . By this Metropolitan Areas in TamilNadu are Chennai , Coimbatore , Madurai , Salem and Tiruchirappalli.
By Indian government, grade for the city as Metropolis , city must have population 10 lakhs above in metro area, but Tiruppur city population is 963,173 only The cities listed above is also ranked by Indian government for metro city
- Chennai ranked 4 th
- Coimbatore ranked 16 th
- Madurai ranked 31 st
- Salem ranked 51 st
- Tiruchirappalli ranked 53 rd In India,
No other Tamilnadu cities is graded as metropolis in India. So Administrators can delete this Article Tiruppur metropolitan area Sources by Wikipedia national level Articles (India)
- List of metropolitan areas in India
- List of million-plus urban agglomerations in India
- List of cities in India by population
தனீஷ் (talk • contribs) 2021-05-20 :12:45 (UTC)
- First of all, an metropolitan area or urban agglomeration is generally defined as the municipal corporation and the semi-urban areas with the development by the urbanization spreads out. And most importantly an metropolitan area or urban agglomeration is not defined with 10 lakh popultion, it is a wrong fact.
To add upon in India ,even urban agglomerations with less than 10 lakh population are located. To add upon Vaniyambadi is the least populated urban agglomeration in Tamilnadu. According to 2011 census the top 8 urban agglomerations in Tamilnadu are Chennai Coimbatore Madurai Tiruchirappalli Tiruppur Salem Tirunelveli Erode The urban agglomerations with population more than 10 lakh in Tamilnadu are Chennai, Coimbatore, Madurai and Tiruchirappalli according to 2011 census(official).To add upon Census is carried out only once in 10 years. [5] [6][3][7] Ccmtt12345 (talk • contribs) 2021-05-20T19:15:19 (UTC)
Keep (I think). This is quite a confusing discussion, but I think I've deduced the following. 1) This article was previously redundant with another article, but that's been resolved: the other article has been redirected to this article. There are thus no issues on that front. 2) "Metropolitan area" appears to be a legal designation, with relevance for local urban planning. This means the that topic is notable under WP:GEOLAND. This is definitely not my area of expertise, so please correct me if I've misunderstood something. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Striking; see below
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- Of course this discussion is more confusable ., More than our thought , but, also in my view Tiruppur is not a Metro city , if any metro city means , it must fulfilled with all expected needs for people's anywhere rather than local people's (1). And next, it must be populated with million plus (10 lakhs) but population of Tiruppur in metropolis is 963,173 (2). Next - Tiruppur is part of Coimbatore metropolitan area (3). I recommend English wiki administrators to delete or by your preference Redirect to Coimbatore metropolitan area
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- Delete:Urban agglomeration is not the same as metropolitan area. The cited sources only talk about urban agglomeration (which census does for every major city in India, regardless of it being a metropolitan area or not). Cannot find any sources that mention "Tiruppur metropolitan area" explicitly and there is no organization such as "Tiruppur metropolitan authority" that provides legal recognition for it to qualify WP:GEOLAND. Also, I don't think redirecting is appropriate because the topic itself is WP:OR. -- Ab207 (talk) 06:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Chennai 4th in urban agglomerations".
- ^ "Urbanisation in Tamilnadu" (PDF). Government of Tamil Nadu.
- ^ a b "Urban Agglomerations/Cities having population 1 lakh and above" (PDF). Censusindia. The Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. Archived (PDF) from the original on 13 November 2011. Retrieved 18 October 2011.
- ^ "Registration Series Allotted to Regional Transport Offices" (PDF). Government of Tamil Nadu, State Transport Authority. Archived (PDF) from the original on 12 September 2012.
- ^ "Chennai 4th in urban agglomerations".
- ^ "Urbanisation in Tamilnadu" (PDF). Government of Tamil Nadu.
- ^ "Registration Series Allotted to Regional Transport Offices" (PDF). Government of Tamil Nadu, State Transport Authority. Archived (PDF) from the original on 12 September 2012.
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- Delete per Ab207. If this is staying, TNT it. AdoTang (talk) 23:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I think Ab207's explanation is correct. If the topic exists, it's only a census district, which doesn't meet WP:GEOLAND. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Ananth Prabhu Gurpur
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No indication of notability. do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Fails WP:NAUTHOR GermanKity (talk) 08:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Nominator is correct when they say it doesn't qualify for WP:Author. Truly it doesn't. But it qualifies for WP:BASIC sufficiently. For example, India Today [5], The Hindu [6], [7], Times of India [8]. They have sufficient material to contribute to WP:BASIC. There is also a lot of print coverage over the website of the subject that was brought to my notice by the creator [9] that helps establish WP:BASIC. I had also initially rejected the article and didn't take it seriously. I only took it seriously when I saw the coverage of receiving grant from the state government to establish a center of excellence [10] where he is a PI. Hence, cleaned and accepted it. I have myself lost many debates to Beccaynr over WP:BASIC and understood it after a lot of struggle so I don't blame the nominator here. We all learn. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:12, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Yes, there is a lot of coverage in local language and in English to pass notability. Aloolkaparatha (talk) 13:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Bosh. "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." The coverage presented is press conferences, awareness campaign promotion involving the subject but NOT "intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" - and I would not call this significant coverage by any means. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC alike. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There's no way someone could tell that there's no published secondary sources available sitting may be in another corner of the world. The person this article mentions is a very famous and is dear to the people of Dakshina Kannada and Karnataka, India. Lot of coverages has been given in many news and publishing about his work and contribution. He is a regular speaker at the Information Security Education and Awareness (ISEA) portal of the Government of India and the only speaker garnering a participation of thousands of netizens. His verified Facebook page is Dr. Ananth Prabhu Gurpur. 30 unsung heroes of India https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/anniversary-issue/story/20191230-cyber-sentry-1629809-2019-12-23 — Yato15 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 12:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC).
- Comment None of the sources given here are:
- Self Published
- written by someone Closely affiliated with subject
- Primary
And, people who are writing them seem to have no vested interest (Financial or legal leverage). Hence, they are independent by definition. The sources talk about different events. For example, TOI article talks about Cybersafe Girl, The Hindu article talks about the grant, Deccan herrald talks about SOS Blood service, India Today talks about training on cyber security. Hence, they are intellectually independent of each other. Good to note that two TOI articles are written by two different journalists which implies there is no affiliation. Sources seem to be written by in-house team which has no vested interest with the subject or his work and hence independent of subject. The next point in WP:BASIC right below is if the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability. Almost all sources talk about him and his work in 2 paragraphs even if we subtract what the subject is saying in double quotes which is enough for WP:BASIC. Thanks! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see any resources that justify the notability of an author. Can you please provide WP:THREE. GermanKity (talk)
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- Keep More news that came in diffrnt print newspapers below:
- This Teacher takes online classes and distributes mask and tea to the needy, The Times Group
- Are you cybersafe, girl? November 11, 2019, The Hindu
- ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ನ್ಯಾಯಾಂಗ ಅಕಾಡೆಮಿ ಆಯೋಜಿಸಿದ್ದ ಚಿತ್ರದುರ್ಗದಲ್ಲಿ ನ್ಯಾಯಾಂಗ, ಪೊಲೀಸ್ ಮತ್ತು ಸಾರ್ವಜನಿಕ ಅಭಿಯೋಜಕರಿಗೆ ಸೈಬರ್ ಭದ್ರತಾ ತರಬೇತಿ
- Infotoon spread a good word on cyber safe girls, The Times Group
- ಕೋವಿಡ್ ಸಮಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಆತ್ಮವಿಶ್ವಾಸದಿಂದ ಪರೀಕ್ಷೆಗಳನ್ನು ಹೇಗೆ ಎದುರಿಸುವುದು
- Professor with a remarkable vision, Mangalore today, October 2018
- Need Blood? Help is an SMS Away, Times City
- ಪ್ರಜವಾಣಿ ಆಯೋಜಿಸಿರುವ ಸಾರ್ವಜನಿಕರ ಸೈಬರ್ ಅಪರಾಧ ಮತ್ತು ಭದ್ರತಾ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳನ್ನು ಪರಿಹರಿಸಲು ಲೈವ್ ಫೋನ್-ಇನ್ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮ
- Waseem0088 (talk) 04:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This Keep Vote by the creator. GermanKity (talk) 05:07, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Self published resources are not allowed need more references with WP:SIGCOV and WP:CORPDEPTH. GermanKity (talk) 04:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- I feel the claims coming from nominator are sans analysis/explanations. Please demonstrate how this doesn't meet WP:BASIC . Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Dear GermanKity, please forgive me for putting this as a statement (also, as a request) - kindly refer to WP:AFD guidelines once again because many of them overlap. If you have any doubts, then use the talk page of that page or reach out to seasoned editors via WP:TEA. I'm looking forward to seeing you as a good wiki editor in near future. - Hatchens (talk) 05:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep the article passes WP:BASIC. Powerful Karma (talk) 06:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Blocked sock, see here, user was renamed. -- Beccaynr (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:HEY because the article has been revised and had independent and reliable sources added, and per WP:BASIC, for his notability as a cybersecurity expert, and per WP:CREATIVE for at least one of his cybersecurity projects. To support WP:BASIC, there is a 2018 Mangalore Today interview that begins with a WP:SECONDARY description that includes "polymath" and "cybersecurity expert," as well as an overview of his educational and career background. There is also a 2019 India Today profile that also describes him as a cybersecurity expert and includes career information. He also appears in a variety of 2020 articles that describe and quote him as a cybersecurity expert, including the Deccan Herald and The Times of India 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Per WP:CREATIVE, he
created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work
, the Cyber Safe Girl e-book, which hasbeen the primary subject of [...] multiple independent periodical articles
, e.g. in The Hindu and The New Indian Express and has evolved into a larger website and campaign reported by The Times of India, and a related initiative reported by The Deccan Herald. There is additional coverage of his other projects, some of his other books and academic research in the article, but the sources listed in this comment seem sufficient to at least support WP:BASIC notability. Beccaynr (talk) 13:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC) - Comment One user contacted me for removing the deletion tag from this article. Please check on my talk page. It seems like it is a case of COI. I can see on the history of the page where Spiderone and discospinster tried to move into draft and PROD.GermanKity (talk) 10:33, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
-Please don't delete this page Admins of Wikepedia. -Dr.Ananth Prabhu Gurupur is Highly Respected in India and is well known for his achievements in cyberfeild "All the facts posted on this page is true and there is much more about this polymath. Apart from the field of Cyber security, he has many books authored and international journals written to his credit". -If you say the reason for deletion is lack of resources to prove eligibility for Wikepedia please check his "Verified Facebook Account" https://m.facebook.com/educatorananth/ which definitely is more than enough proof to say he is a notable person ,Hope Wikepedia takes Facebook account for considering and prevent any vandelism . -Shravankumaruk (talk) 19:04, 31 May 2021 (IST) — Shravankumaruk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
* Fairly possible that this might be true. The way creator had written this page with so much unsourced information, it can be possible. Have added a COI tag. They had also removed past declines I remember. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 17:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Changed because there is truly not enough evidence. There seems to be no connection with the creator and this new user who has arrived dramatically. The BLPPROD is when there are no sources. It doesn't concern with notability (since notability can be evaluated only after sources are provided) Once it was moved to draft, the creator moved it back to main space but then again had put it back to draft space themselves. They tried to improve the page and submit but probably didn't have enough experience to do so. I forgot to assume good faith here and hasted my opinion. Also, the message on nominator's talk page Can you please remove Deletion request and contact me through mail for confirmation or verification Ananth prabhu sir is sad to see his own page go far from him
is random. It almost seems like someone is trying to orchestrate a COI scene out of revenge/hatred to cause damage. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 19:36, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep As per Beccaynr, Apart from all the valid sources shared above, sharing 2 more sources [[11], [12] also [13] where Chief Minster of UP released his book in which much is written about him but this 3rd source can't be considered due to missing date in the paper cutting. Its passing WP:GNG. New User Shravankumaruk understands where the deletion discussion is going, who nominated, knows how to ask help from Germankity, edit codes, act like innocent by highlighting 'twice' for Facebook page. Calling 'Sir' Ananth Prabhu(Junior & Senior), as per my understanding people might not show grief with junior until they have some emotional connection. 2 Conclusions, Shravankumaruk is a sock of someone and he actually knows Ananth personally because he shared his Facebook Url, an extra step. Sonofstar (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Zdzisław Józef Porosiński
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Was accepted through the AfC process, but can't find enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, and am not seeing how he passes WP:NPROF. Onel5969 TT me 14:56, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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- keep I found a obituary in Mathematica Applicanda which indicates notability and is clearly a RS:
- Kamińska, Agnieszka, and Krzysztof J. Szajowski. "Zdzisław Józef Porosiński: a memoir." Mathematica Applicanda 45.2 (2017).
- Best --hroest 18:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's promising, but it has the same authors as the shorter obituary already used as a source in the article, so doesn't yet meet the requirement (assuming we're going through WP:GNG here) of having multiple in-depth sources that are independent both of each other and of the subject. The other sources in the article aren't really in-depth. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- David Eppstein, we'd have to be using GNG, since I can't see anything which meets WP:NSCHOLAR, unless I missed something. Onel5969 TT me 13:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's promising, but it has the same authors as the shorter obituary already used as a source in the article, so doesn't yet meet the requirement (assuming we're going through WP:GNG here) of having multiple in-depth sources that are independent both of each other and of the subject. The other sources in the article aren't really in-depth. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Multiple reliable sources (although obituaries, but written by scholars): in addition to the one mentioned above, there is [14]. Yes, same authors, but different journal and the article is somewhat rewritten. So it's kind of borderline whether he meets GNG requirement for multiple reliable sources. While he does not clearly meet NPROF (according to GScholar, his most cited paper, The full-information best choice problem with a random number of observations from 1987, has 52 cites, second, co-authored with A. Kamińska, On robust Bayesian estimation under some asymmetric and bounded loss function, from 2009, 22, then everything else is in single digits), he does meet the Polish Wikipedia's one (I just mention it since the article is sure to remain on pl wiki) as pl wiki criteria see habilitation as sufficient for notability (this was discussed for NPROF but did not gain sufficient support for becoming our policy). Overall I think that we are way too notable for sportspeople, and not enough for academics, so given this is a borderline case I argue for keeping. It's ridiculous we would keep a biography of some soccer player who just played in one bigger match, fails GNG but meets NSPORT, yet delete a biography of a scholar who had two academic obituaries published about him. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete while he may make the grade for Polish WP, I see no notability for the English project under WP:GNG or NPROF. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete At the moment I'm not seeing enough coverage or indication of notability. Volunteer Marek 16:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per Piotr and hroest. Dr. Universe (talk) 04:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Being bold with a third round - any other experienced editors able to take a look? I'm leaning on a weak keep.
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Arbor Hill, Iowa
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All evidence is that this was a post office and nothing more, with the very slight exception of a "road" of the same name which leads to a couple of stray houses; it really appears to be a glorified driveway. Other than that I get references to prize pigs and the like, and a variety of lists of placenames. Not a notable place, and the article already says pretty much anything that can be said, true or false. Mangoe (talk) 18:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Lippincott's Gazetteer says that it's a post office. There's passing mention of one person living there in Kilburn's 1842 History of Adair County, Iowa, cited in the article at hand, and no other significant history that I can find. Hair's 1865 Iowa State Gazetteer tells us that Harrison Township, Adair County, Iowa was the actual place that the post office was in. I agree. This is another false "unincorporated community" article and the true subject is not notable. Uncle G (talk) 20:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Newspapers.com brings up this, which refers to it as a spot on the map that turned out to just be a narrow spot on the road with nothing there. Also found a passing mention to J. F. Pease's store burning down, a passing reference to an Arbor Hill in a different county (Adams Co.), and some stuff about an amateur baseball team named Arbor Hill. Not finding any indication that this is notable. Hog Farm Talk 22:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - [15] [16] [17] - It's definitely a place that exists as it's currently the location of a debated wind farm and controversial solar project. There's also plenty of mentions in different farming directories from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. For instance in 1904 someone there had a registered Chester White swine. [18], and in 1887 some farmers got a patent for an upgrade to a threshing machine as well[19]. Big time doings for a small farming community. The reason I'm not voting is I don't know if this is enough for notability of the location. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Two of those are a modern thing that may not have any relationship to this purported "unincorporated community", and a wind farm is not a community. Another one of those is solely someone's postal address, which aligns with this being a post office. The reason that I and others are scouring history books, gazetteers, government reports, railway commission rulings, history books of resorts and springs, and suchlike on all these articles is to find something that actually documents the place. It's not enough to phrase match someone's postal address. We need to be able to actually write an article in accordance with content policy. First of all, we need to even identify what it is. Can you cite a source specifically identifying this as a village, a water pump, a crossroads, a hill, a post office, a railway station, a vineyard, a farm, a mine, someone's house, or any of the other things that "unincorporated community" has turned out to be? Because I can point to page 88 of Hair's gazetteer, aforecited, which says outright "ARBOR HILL is a post office in Harrison Township", as well as to Lippincott's and Kilburn's History which agree. It is a post office. Where's the in-depth documented history and geography et al. of this post office?
"unincorporated community" means and identifies nothing, and is a huge red flag, thanks to the mass GNIS import problem. The pig farmers most likely lived in Harrison Township.
- Two of those are a modern thing that may not have any relationship to this purported "unincorporated community", and a wind farm is not a community. Another one of those is solely someone's postal address, which aligns with this being a post office. The reason that I and others are scouring history books, gazetteers, government reports, railway commission rulings, history books of resorts and springs, and suchlike on all these articles is to find something that actually documents the place. It's not enough to phrase match someone's postal address. We need to be able to actually write an article in accordance with content policy. First of all, we need to even identify what it is. Can you cite a source specifically identifying this as a village, a water pump, a crossroads, a hill, a post office, a railway station, a vineyard, a farm, a mine, someone's house, or any of the other things that "unincorporated community" has turned out to be? Because I can point to page 88 of Hair's gazetteer, aforecited, which says outright "ARBOR HILL is a post office in Harrison Township", as well as to Lippincott's and Kilburn's History which agree. It is a post office. Where's the in-depth documented history and geography et al. of this post office?
- Keep. I'm the original author of the article. I was able to find plenty of references for this community, and the idea that it was "only a post office" is not supported by any of these sources. References indicate there were more than 20 businesses in Arbor Hill, and although there isn't much there now (according to the above linked newspaper article), the community was noted in its time (at least between the 1800s and 1933-ish). The USGS still recognizes the community, and it appears on USGS quad maps (one official USGS quad is named after Arbor Hill).
- Notability is not temporary. I was able to add considerable sourced content to the article, and the Iowa Ghost Towns link states a resident in Arbor Hill has between 200-300 historic photos of the community, some of which could eventually be added to the article (I'd love to do it, and will reach out). I was similarly able to fill out single-digit unincorporated communities previously, here and here. Arbor Hill seems notable to me. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 06:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Wausau Curling Club
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Local sports club, sourced only to the local paper and the club's own website, promotional concerns, fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 21:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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Keep. It will be hosting the US National Championships in a week or so. I think that makes it notable.-- Earl Andrew - talk 01:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- While that event may provide good reliable sources, they just don't exist yet. Furthermore, please read WP:INHERITORG, which says that this club isn't necessarily notable just because it hosted the US Nationals. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 13:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep A basic WP:BEFORE finds substantive coverage on WSAW-TV [20], the Wasau Daily Herald [21], the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel [22], WAOW-TV [23], Wisconsin Public Radio [24], etc., etc., etc. Chetsford (talk) 06:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- The only one which looks like it might pass WP:NCORP requirements from that list is the NPR one. The rest are passing mentions. SportingFlyer T·C 12:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- "... passing mentions" - No, that's incorrect. For instance, WSAW-TV's story is titled "Take a look at the Wausau Curling Club" and mentions it directly or indirectly 7 times in a 3-minute television segment dedicated to the Wasau Curling Club while the Daily Herald's article is titled "Wausau Curling Club slides into the 2014-15 season" and mentions it directly or indirectly six times in an 11 paragraph article specifically about the Wasau Curling Club. The other references are similar. It is, therefore, an objectively false statement that "The only one which looks like it might pass WP:NCORP requirements from that list is the NPR one. The rest are passing mentions." Thanks - Chetsford (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- WP:NORG has an WP:AUD requirement. Two local articles on the club clearly don't demonstrate notability and don't pass the WP:NCORP requirements. SportingFlyer T·C 12:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- WSAW and WAOW are regional media as described by AUD; both cover the Wasau-Rhinelander DMA which includes 24 cities with a total 12+ population of ~400K, or larger than New Orleans. Wisconsin Public Radio is also regional media, straddling three market areas with 12 affiliate stations. So are the others, etc. Per AUD "one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary". The one non-local source requirement is met and exceeded. Chetsford (talk) 14:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Calling those sources regional is very generous. SportingFlyer T·C 14:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's really not. Regional media is media that covers more than one locality but has less than national reach. Wisconsin Public Radio covers the 190 cities of Wisconsin. This is even envisaged in AUD which refers to "statewide" media. WSAW-TV provides news coverage spanning 11 separate counties [25]. It is objectively not local. If it were local it would cover one county. Chetsford (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I still disagree - Wausau's not a very large place, and calling something "regional" on the grounds that it might be distributed to some very low-population counties can't save the article. Furthermore I'm not sure the articles you cite are completely independent - they include text like
To curl, all you need is clean shoes, warm clothes and a positive attitude to give it a try! The club will provide the rest of the basic equipment
(the local news source) andTo reserve a spot or for more information on either event, visit the Wausau Curling Club's Facebook page, log on to [website]
... They're not doing independent reporting on the club, but rather are doing general local interest stories about a local organisation. SportingFlyer T·C 18:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)- I still disagree - Wausau's not a very large place, and calling something "regional" on the grounds that it might be distributed to some very low-population counties can't save the article. Once again, Wisconsin Public Radio is a network of 34 radio stations providing coverage to an area of 5,893,718 people (the state of Wisconsin), greater than the population of the nation of Finland. Even if you maintain that we should adopt your personal and unconventional definition of regional media that precludes WSAW-TV and WAOW-TV, this still meets the requirement of WP:AUD for "one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary" in addition to local RS. Chetsford (talk) 21:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I still disagree - Wausau's not a very large place, and calling something "regional" on the grounds that it might be distributed to some very low-population counties can't save the article. Furthermore I'm not sure the articles you cite are completely independent - they include text like
- It's really not. Regional media is media that covers more than one locality but has less than national reach. Wisconsin Public Radio covers the 190 cities of Wisconsin. This is even envisaged in AUD which refers to "statewide" media. WSAW-TV provides news coverage spanning 11 separate counties [25]. It is objectively not local. If it were local it would cover one county. Chetsford (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep'. Do not delete the page. 173.47.141.230 (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, as per SportingFlyer's response to the sources brought by Chetsford, those are passing mentions and not usable for GNG. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 12:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep based on the substantive coverage listed by Chetsford and expect more coverage in the next couple of weeks while they host significant national championships. A202985 (talk) 16:10, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Stand-Down to Address Extremism in the Ranks
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This article does not seem to meet the notability threshold. Maybe an article on extremism in the U.S. Military would be more appropriate? This is just an order from the DOD - missed chance to create a page on a broader, more encompassing topic. Cliffmore (talk) 22:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
No. 1 Electronic Switching System Arranged with Data Features
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Can't find any in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources. Some primary coverage, but doesn't pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 22:21, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Arnergy
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They have move warred over this, so AFD is the best option. This is really good covert upe so you have to closely to nab it. The organization fails WP:NCORP as they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. The ref bombing is intentionally put there to inundate an editor not trained to see it, you could do a private google search before voting, but having done mine diligently, the sources observed are predominantly mere mentions, press releases, pr sponsored posts, self published posts and sources which are yet to develop a reputation for fact checking or without editorial oversight. The article has 0 WP:ORGDEPTH. This article is created perfectly by a 4 day old editor, Invariably this article is a very good WP:ADMASQ. This is undisclosed paid editing at its best. Celestina007 (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep it. I did hard work to form this article. Any neutral admin should review the sources such as CNN, BBC, CGTN, CNBC Africa. passes WP:GNG. EmilioVally (talk) 22:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment — All the sources do not directly reference Arnergy neither do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV, required by WP:GNG, coupled with the fact that the third source you linked above is to YouTube, coupled with the fact that you are an WP:SPA for the organization, coupled with the fact that within four days you know wikimarkup quite well, coupled with the fact that this is undisclosed paid editing, coupled with the fact that rather than submit the article via AFC, you move-warred, there’s no universe where this sort of COI/UPE article would be retained on mainspace. We agree that we were born at night but certainly it wasn’t last night. Celestina007 (talk)
- Delete. Per nom, nice work. User introduced minor changes to Oando to get autoconfirmed, then immediately plonked an article about their favorite company. User is immediately familiar with wiki lingo such as "admin" or "passes WP:GNG". Sure sure sure. The sources brought up in the comment above are mostly interviews and pitches with little to no independent journalistic work, and thus fail WP:SIRS. JBchrch talk 22:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Pirnat
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Neither the name or the people who have it appear to be notable. ... discospinster talk 21:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. There are 15 people at sl:Pirnat with blue links, including the four listed here who are also on Commons. They are notable people waiting for articles to be written in English. Wikipedia:Name pages notes red links are fine for set index pages. Fences&Windows 22:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Notability in other language Wikipedias does not automatically translate to notability in the English Wikipedia. If all of the entries are red links, someone should write the article(s) first before having an article listing them. ... discospinster talk 22:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Glory (character)
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Topic fails WP:GNG. There doesn't appear to be any particular coverage on the character in reliable sources. TTN (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Added some refs for the Moore and Keating versions. The article clealry needs more citation love but I beleive it meets GNG for now. Artw (talk) 01:20, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Scott Wolfe
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Fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 21:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete I was just thinking about nominating this a few days ago... Also, I'm not seeing anything in my search. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:31, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Delete This subject does not meet WP:GNG requirements. Fails general search criteria.Canyouhearmenow 22:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Customer (Dis)Service
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Non-notable television film, only "significant" coverage is coming from blogs and primary sources, no indication of notability, per WP:GNG and WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 20:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Rajesh Hukku
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The article has only one inline cite (well, really an external link titled "ref"); of the nine references listed, only two seem to be independent reliable sources: BusinessWeek (dead but archived here and Time (dead but archived here). Everything else is the sorts of awards that thousands of corporate execs win every year. Independent Googling doesn't establish anything beyond a few more brief write-ups. The article has a pretty solidly promotional tone, largely built around those awards and other touted accomplishments, and I just don't see the WP:SIGCOV we'd need in order to create a better article. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 20:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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List of celebrities with advanced degrees
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There's no formal definition of 'celebrity' here (until I removed it a little while back, the list included Theodore Kaczynski), and I don't think it's really possible to make one that wouldn't either be ridiculously inclusive or ridiculously exclusive. "Advanced degree" is a bit vague as well.
We could make this "list of professional actors, athletes, and musicians who have doctorates, medical degrees, or law degrees", true, but that seems... awkward. DS (talk) 22:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Keep as creator.Satisfies WP:NLIST. There are lots of lists in the wild: "Celebrities with impressive college degrees" (MSN), "9 Brainy Celebrities Who Earned Advanced Degrees In College" (ET), "Higher education: 27 celebrities and their academic achievements" (Vogue Australia) (though I set a higher bar than Kourtney Kardashian's bachelors in Theatre Arts), "30 Celebrities With Surprising (And Impressive) University Degrees" (Elle Australia). I suppose I should have explicitly specified PhDs and the like. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Split into List of artists and entertainers with advanced degrees and List of athletes with advanced degrees. This should negate the celebrity issues and, at the same time, allow me to restore entries I've relegated to See also. There are lists for rock stars (Insider, Inc.), NFL players (Bleacher Report), etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Define 'celebrity', then. DS (talk) 23:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oxford English Dictionary definition (indirectly, as I don't have access to the OED):[26] "[a] well-known or famous person ... (now chiefly) spec. a person, esp. in entertainment or sport, who attracts interest from the general public and attention from the mass media." Entertainment or sport covers everyone on the current list except Prada (and Kaczynski). Clarityfiend (talk) 03:58, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Still too vague. Why is Arthur Conan Doyle on there? or Michael Crichton? What counts as "interest", what's "general public", what's "entertainment"? Geoffrey A. Landis has won multiple awards for his fiction writing and has a Ph.D in solid-state physics. Does Isaac Asimov (Ph.D. in biochemistry) count as a celebrity? Why or why not? What about Vernor Vinge (Ph.D. in computer science)? All three have certainly been celebrated. DS (talk) 04:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Catherine Asaro? Diana Gabaldon? N. K. Jemisin? Tade Thompson? Nnedi Okorafor? DS (talk) 04:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Questions about whether some entries qualify do not have much bearing on the deletion issue. There are rock-solid celebrities who are noted for their academic accomplishments, e.g. Mayim Bialik. P.S. It is customary to notify the article creator when you initiate an Afd. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- What if I disagree that Bialik is a celebrity? You haven't defined your terms. You're pointing to a dictionary entry that's full of vague terms that One Is Expected To Understand but doesn't actually say anything objective. What counts as "entertainment"? Tell me. What counts as "interest"? What counts as "the general public"? My argument is that this list is fatally flawed because there are no objective criteria for whether any given degree-holder should be included. How many people are required to be "general public"? How entertaining must "entertainment" be, and to how many people? Stephen Jay Gould was a voice actor on an episode of The Simpsons - playing a Simpsonized version of himself. Does that count as him being an entertainer? DS (talk) 05:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- You (and I) don't get to decide who's a celebrity. Reliable sources do that: "During Thursday, Sept. 24's episode of Celebrity Game Face, executive producer and host Kevin Hart guided three teams of celebrity pairs—including Rob Riggle and Darren Leader, Mayim Bialik and Jonathan Cohen ..." Also, I'm surprised you consider an OED entry to be full of vague terms. You don't know what "entertainment" is? Seriously? Clarityfiend (talk) 08:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Catherine Asaro? Diana Gabaldon? N. K. Jemisin? Tade Thompson? Nnedi Okorafor? DS (talk) 04:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Still too vague. Why is Arthur Conan Doyle on there? or Michael Crichton? What counts as "interest", what's "general public", what's "entertainment"? Geoffrey A. Landis has won multiple awards for his fiction writing and has a Ph.D in solid-state physics. Does Isaac Asimov (Ph.D. in biochemistry) count as a celebrity? Why or why not? What about Vernor Vinge (Ph.D. in computer science)? All three have certainly been celebrated. DS (talk) 04:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
You've listed people who perform on television,and athletes, and a fashion designer. None of that is entertaining. You had one author. DS (talk) 05:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Sure there are listicles of a selection of examples, but that does not equate to an encyclopedia article. For some reason Vogue thinks I should be surprised America Ferrara has a bachelor of international studies and a Kardashian has a bachelor's degree in theatre arts – I'm not, and this is not the scope of this article either, since only one of those links is about postgraduate degrees. "Celebrity" is far too vague for this to have good inclusion criteria. If MD Arthur Conan Doyle is a celebrity, how about all the Physicians in the United States Congress? If this is supposed to exclude "those who are primarily known for their degree-related accomplishments", then why have Rachel Maddow? A PhD in political science certainly prepared her for her current role! Sure, people get a degree and later change their career, or become famous at sports or acting or whatever else have you and then decide they want to go back to school, but that's something for their respective articles, not something for us to synthesize as being connected to each other. Reywas92Talk 06:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Other lists: Celebrities with PhDs (Quacquarelli Symonds), Ken Jeong & 9 Other Celebrities You Didn't Know Had Advanced Degrees (Screen Rant). Also, Maddow wasn't a politician, so what degree-related accomplishments (that she is best known for) are you referring to? Sure, going back to school isn't unusual, but getting postgraduate degrees is. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think most physicians are described as celebrities, with the possible exception(?) of Ben Carson. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- No, but they're considered to have advanced degrees. Physicians who are notable for reasons other than being physicians. Regardless of EOnline calling Bialik a celebrity, that doesn't mean she is - it only means she's been referred to as, and calling this article "List of people who have been referred to as celebrities and who also have advanced degrees" would be unwieldy. Maddow is known for being a political analyst on television. You still haven't answered my questions about what counts as entertainment. Please answer them. What counts as "entertainment"? What counts as "interest"? What counts as "the general public"? How many people are required to be "general public"? How entertaining must "entertainment" be, and to how many people? You appear to believe that these questions have simple and obvious answers, so please provide them. DS (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your disregard for sources is very puzzling. What would satisfy you? A Supreme Court decision? A burning bush? Also, non-celebrities with advanced degrees are totally irrelevant. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- You have not defined "celebrity" (and thus "non-celebrity"). Therefore it is impossible to tell what is relevant. DS (talk) 02:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- The OED has, and I've explained how celebrityness can be confirmed. Would you like that engraved on a stone tablet, delivered by cherubim? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- You have not defined "celebrity" (and thus "non-celebrity"). Therefore it is impossible to tell what is relevant. DS (talk) 02:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your disregard for sources is very puzzling. What would satisfy you? A Supreme Court decision? A burning bush? Also, non-celebrities with advanced degrees are totally irrelevant. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - meets WP:NLIST and satisfies points 1 and 2 of WP:LISTPURP schetm (talk) 02:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- I would also note that the phrase "primarily known for their degree-related accomplishments" is also vague. Isaac Asimov,[27][28] was known for his fiction and for his general non-fiction, not for his biochemistry. Buzz Aldrin, who is considered enough of a celebrity that he appeared on Dancing with the Stars, has a doctorate in astronautics but that's not what he's known for. The mention of David Duchovny, who didn't actually finish his doctorate, opens the way to include Doctor Seuss, who didn't actually finish his doctorate in English literature: he was famous for achievements not pertaining to his degree, because he didn't have a degree. DS (talk) 03:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your insistence that Maddow doesn't qualify because (I presume) she comments on politics is at odds with your choice of Aldrin. Duchovny is not on the list, but in the See also section, which is totally appropriate. If you want to add Dr. Seuss there, that's fine too. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Consistency. You still haven't provided a functional definition of 'celebrity'. Is it the same as 'fame'? Do you have to be able to cite sources in which the person in question is referred to as a celebrity? The dictionary you quoted earlier said "mass media" - what counts as "mass media"? What about if the person is in a Hall of Fame? Which ones? Do elected officials count? Do Olympic medalists? Fatally flawed. DS (talk) 02:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your insistence that Maddow doesn't qualify because (I presume) she comments on politics is at odds with your choice of Aldrin. Duchovny is not on the list, but in the See also section, which is totally appropriate. If you want to add Dr. Seuss there, that's fine too. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- I would also note that the phrase "primarily known for their degree-related accomplishments" is also vague. Isaac Asimov,[27][28] was known for his fiction and for his general non-fiction, not for his biochemistry. Buzz Aldrin, who is considered enough of a celebrity that he appeared on Dancing with the Stars, has a doctorate in astronautics but that's not what he's known for. The mention of David Duchovny, who didn't actually finish his doctorate, opens the way to include Doctor Seuss, who didn't actually finish his doctorate in English literature: he was famous for achievements not pertaining to his degree, because he didn't have a degree. DS (talk) 03:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Che Guevara, per Reason, is a celebrity, and he had a medical degree. I can find descriptions of Haing Ngor as having "celebrity status" but not of him as being a celebrity. DS (talk) 02:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Harper's Bazaar has categorized articles about Jill Biden as "celebrity news", as has USA Today. DS (talk) 02:34, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Vaguely defined list. As the nom keeps pointing out, none of the Keep !votes address the inclusion criteria. All the refs noted in the first Keep !vote are "top 10" clickbait sources often shunned at fictional element AfD's, so I'm not confident that Clarityfiend has proved LISTN. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I'm leaning delete. The issue here is the inclusion criteria, arguments about WP:Notability are missing the point. If we are to keep this, it first needs to be demonstrated that we can have WP:LISTCRITERIA that are
unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources
to allow us to make a proper list article. TompaDompa (talk) 23:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC) - Comment - I voted keep earlier, but I came about this AfD not by trawling through the log, but by actually searching out this article as a reader and seeing the AfD banner. I again point to WP:LISTPURP which reads "If users have some general idea of what they are looking for but do not know the specific terminology, they could browse the lists of basic topics and more comprehensive lists of topics, which in turn lead to most if not all of Wikipedia's lists, which in turn lead to related articles." This is a list that unambiguously helps the reader find what he is looking for - famous people with advanced degrees - and it is the average reader who will be harmed by its deletion. Our readers come first. I really don't see any strong reasons for deletion cited above. Arguments citing notability guidelines really don't speak to navigational lists (apart from all entries having bluelinks), and the debate on inclusion criteria should have gone to the talk page first as it's a WP:SURMOUNTABLE problem.
- TL;DR - This as a navigational list that should be kept per WP:LISTPURP, and citing inclusion criteria is not sufficient for deletion in this case. schetm (talk) 04:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete What constitutes a "celebrity" is too hard to define to make this list definable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: As a possible closing admin, I'm leaning delete due to the "what is a celebrity" situation. But, willing to hear more thoughts or ideas (and WP:Alternatives to deletion if any).
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- Comment - The nom, DragonflySixtyseven, nails the list criteria - List of actors, athletes, and musicians with advanced degrees. I agree - that makes a terrible title, but it doesn't need to be. The title doth not the inclusion criterion make. It should, however, be in the lede, and I have placed it there. I think celebrity is fine in the title, but a potential title could be List of entertainers with advanced degrees. That is, perhaps, narrower than "celebrity" schetm (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- A potential inclusion criteria: This list includes actors, athletes, artists, and musicians with doctorates (MDs, EdDs, and PhDs) outside their field of fame. This could, of course, be expanded to a list of people with advanced degrees outside their field of fame, which then could include Guevara and Kaczynski. The title would need to be workshopped a bit more if it's expanded in that way. schetm (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom; while 'advanced degree' may be just about possible to define (even though it hasn't been), 'celebrity' is hopelessly vague, not to mention inherently subjective: for example, I've not heard of any of the football players on the list — does that mean they're not celebrities, or that they are, but only to those who follow American football (a small minority of the World's population, surely)? I kind of understand what this article is trying to do, but I think that is more suited for chumbox clickbait (along the lines of "see what these famous actors look like today!") than an encyclopaedia article. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've added a column for sources for "celebrityness". Clarityfiend (talk) 09:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- And demoted entries to See also for whom I cannot find celebrity attributions. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Summation. I've provided about half a dozen lists of celebrities connected to higher academic achievement/degrees, all unambiguously specified as such in the list/article titles, so brainy celebrities are discussed as a group, satisfying NLIST. Celebrityness (celebrityhood?) is determined by the mass media, and the current examples in the list are all sourced by them (with the odd exception of Robert Vaughan). Clarityfiend (talk) 23:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- And where do you list Che Guevara, for whom I have found reliable sources that call him a celebrity? Jill Biden? Isaac Asimov? How do you determine when someone's degree is "unrelated" to their "field of fame"? The only real alternative to deletion is to fragment this into multiple sub-articles - 'actors who have', 'musicians who have', 'athletes who have'. DS (talk) 18:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- First, produce these reliable sources for Che. Where would I put him if he qualified? After Doyle and before Jeong, duh. Also, "outside their field of fame" is not mine. Somebody else added it. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @DragonflySixtyseven: @Reywas92: @LaundryPizza03: @Schetm: @TompaDompa: @Johnpacklambert: @DoubleGrazing: Eureka! I believe you've hit upon the solution. Splitting the list into (1) artists and entertainers and (2) athletes would make the whole celebrity problem go away. (Celebrity states most are in those two categories.) I have changed my lvote accordingly. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Because "mass media" isn't defined, this is a perfectly valid source for Che Guevara being considered "the celebrity that celebrities adore". DS (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- FYI nobody was pinged because those templates have to be saved at the same time you add a signature. This would be a slight improvement if several others vote to keep, but I still think it's trivia that belongs on their articles, not a unifying feature to be listed together. "Artists and entertainers" is still rather vague. Reywas92Talk 01:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:INDISCRIMINATE list, there are no sources supporting that this topic as a list is notable. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Delete Per Nom2601:246:CA01:31C0:9083:E369:A827:B9A3 (talk) 23:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep
Move to draft for the short term, and split into List of artists and entertainers with advanced degrees and List of professional athletes with advanced degrees per Clarityfiend. The subsets are more readily shown to be notable than the broader list. Note that I would also limit the "athletes" list to "professional athletes", to avoid including academics who have a sporting hobby. BD2412 T 18:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)- Note: Changed from "move to draft and split" to "keep and split", as this has been worked on, and I think the split can be accomplished in mainspace at this point. BD2412 T 23:14, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- "Actors", "musicians". Does "professional athletes" exclude everyone who went to the Olympics? DS (talk) 04:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Why would it? Magic Johnson and LeBron James have been to the Olympics, but are clearly professional athletes. I suppose a list limited to professional athletes would exclude someone whose only athletic activity was going to the Olympics. We have an article on Professional sports which delineates the distinction. BD2412 T 05:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: It's not clear to me that this list does meet WP:LISTPURP for navigation. With a list like List of mathematical symbols by subject, it's easy to imagine a reader who doesn't know how to find an article on the symbol they've stumbled upon any other way. This list seems to me to be a probable endpoint in itself, & to serve a function similar to the listicles it draws from, which is non-encyclopædic (WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:INDISCRIMINATE; I think this comes close to being 'non-encyclopedic cross-categorization', tho obviously we're dealing with a list rather than a category). Pathawi (talk) 03:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep; this passes WP:NLIST, and the objections brought up so far ("celebrity" is a vague term) don't seem to necessitate deletion. Perhaps it could be moved to a more appropriate title; perhaps we could have a list of musicians with advanced degrees, or movie stars, or YouTubers, or whatever. Perhaps we could attempt to reach consensus on a set of criteria for inclusion. Who knows? It's a problem that has many possible solutions, and deleting the article is a pretty unimaginative one. It's a nice list to have around, even if it might seem frivolous or silly. Readers are who matter, and besides, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a project to be the most serious website on the Internet (we have example.com, navy.mil, and the login portal for your local bank to serve that purpose). jp×g 06:09, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Good for keeping track. Could be split, renamed, something along those lines. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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King Baggot (cinematographer)
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Fails WP:CREATIVE. Somewhat hard to check, as he is the namesake of his grandfather, King Baggot, but other than the odd interview or two,[29] I'm not seeing anything that elevates him above other working cinematographers, no Oscars, etc. (Besides, Gollum hates Baggotses.) Clarityfiend (talk) 20:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Venuses from Kangari Hills
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Very likely hoax. No RSes discuss these, in the scholarly literature or otherwise. This would be a revolutionary archaeological finding -- a sophisticated human figurine tens of thousands of years older than any prior recorded -- and be covered in reams of journal articles; there are no results on Google Scholar, JSTOR, ProQuest, etc. Categorized on Commons as a forgery. Vaticidalprophet 20:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete as a hoax. As stated above, a find such as this would have enormous anthropological significance, and would have far better sourcing than the supposed offline-only newspapers given in the article. As it is, I likewise can find nothing at all. firefly ( t · c ) 20:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy delete: This is an obvious fraud. A real revolutionary discovery would have received a massive amount of scholarly attention. This hoax has received no attention whatsoever. ―Susmuffin Talk 20:29, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Reverse image search gave me some pictures of the newspapers. [30] There's nothing else I could find, which probably signals a hoax. — Goszei (talk) 22:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- The newspapers themselves being real is worth noting, but yeah, they'd have huge, widespread scholarly coverage as a total rewrite of our understanding of the prehistory of symbolic sculpture if they existed. The main source for that linked piece seems to be...Wikipedia. Also, according to talk page comments, the animal they're supposedly made of the ivory of didn't live in the area at the time. Vaticidalprophet 22:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete This is clearly fraudulent or it would be obviously a lot easier to find third party sourcing and supporting media coverages. I say get rid of it.--Canyouhearmenow 22:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- 'Delete , I seem to have made an error when I accepted it a year ago. I can't immediately account for the error DGG ( talk ) 01:29, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Gui Santos
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Looks like WP:TOOSOON. Doesn't meet Wikipedia:NBASKETBALL as playing for the NBB isn't a pass for notability. Santos also has yet to go through the first two rounds of NBA draft. The sources do not seem to be a pass of WP:GNG. Might be worth for Portuguese speaking editors to chip in on this one. nearlyevil665 19:49, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: Passes WP:GNG. Sources with significant coverage include: [31], [32], [33], [34], [35] Sportzeditz (talk) 20:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC) (article creator)
Bradley D. Harris
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This guy is a professor in a program that was initially set up to train scout leaders (or at least he was a decade ago), which has slightly broderned its scope more recently. Not every such professor is notable. The works he wrote are not notable. We have not even agreed to accept that members of the general presidencies of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints organizations are notable, but clearly the general board members are not notable. His role in the Boy Scouts of America was not at a level or in a way that got public attention enough to show notability. The sources are not fully indepdent, especially not the scouting one. The Deseret News article comes from a human insterest section, so I am not sure it would ever be enough to add towards passing GNG, but it is clearly not enough on its own. I created this article back at a time when I operated on the assumption that virtually all professors and a good portion of published authors were notable. I have since come to realize that there are way too many of both for that to be the case.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Cobbler, Missouri
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Another mass-created falsehood. Ramsay describes this as a rail switch in a potato-farming area, and the topos show a rail point with basically nothing there before the area is covered over by a wastewater treatment plant. Searching determines that the proper name of this place is actually Cobbler's Switch and that this was a railroad shipping point for potatoes, but the coverage I found is pretty trivial and not enough to build a notable stub out of this. Rail switches do not get the WP:GEOLAND pass and while some meet GNG, this one does not. Hog Farm Talk 19:31, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Place does not exist as a settlement, and even if its use as a potato shipping point was notable, potatoes clearly don't grow from wastewater (Right? Right? I just ate fries yesterday, someone tell me I'm right), so it's not like it's in use anymore. AdoTang (talk) 00:07, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Abkhazia–United States relations
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Abkhazia–United States relations
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abkhazia–United States relations. This is a second nomination , but the spelling and punctuation of the title is apparently different than in 2014 .
The United States has never recognized either Abhkazia or South Ossetia, and articles on relations between the United States and both Abkhazia and South Ossetia have been deleted as non-encyclopedic, and redirected to International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. This article was recently accepted from draft, apparently by good-faith mistake by a reviewer. Nothing has changed with regard to non-relations between the United States and Abkhazia since 2014. The United States still considers both Abkhazia and South Ossetia to be de jure parts of Georgia that were invaded by Russia in 2008, and that are essentially Russian puppet states. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Keep You're just arguing it because you don't like it. There is an encyclopedic value to this. You're arguing that the editor who accepted this did it by mistake. What basis do you have for that claim? It should be noted that the nominator is doing this because he rejected my draft on South Ossetia relations with the U.S. which he said lacked notability and I've been appealing my South Ossetia to be accepted. Robert McClenon, I don't think you are assuming good faith. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I know that User:WikiCleanerMan is acting in good faith. They simply disagree with me, and with the past consensus of the Wikipedia community in 2014, as to the notability of articles on relations between the United States and two regions which the United States does not consider to be countries (and most of the world does not consider to be countries). I agree with WCM that we should be consistent about the treatment of these two places, that are non-recognized in the same way. Either the 2020 deletion on South Ossetia should be overturned, which is what WCM wants, or this article should be deleted. If this article is kept after adequate discussion, I will be in favor of revisiting the South Ossetia article. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Why can't we have both? The Abkhazia article has information that is separate from South Ossetia. Robert, I'm assuming you haven't read both articles. And again, I'm assuming, you haven't looked at the credible sources used in both articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Also Robert, you are making yourself look bad when you comment on another user's talk page and say that I might be a part of the problem as you stated on Missvain's talk page. I also want to know if you ever did a thorough reading of my then draft of Somaliland–United States relations when accepting it aside from cutting down the redirect. And another reason you are probably nominating this article for deletion is that I mentioned it for the re-review on my South Ossetia article in which I mistook you for accepting it in the first place. You should take back this nomination because I don't think you are doing it with a neutral viewpoint. And just because nothing has changed doesn't mean nothing has happened. Take a look at the large paragraph in which American legislation has banned U.S. aid to Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Significant information that can't be denied by claiming it does not have encyclopedic value. And by redirecting this to the international recognition article would be moot when clearly America's relationship with Abkhazia and South Ossetia isn't the same as the majority of countries which refused to recognize them or have not and will not recognize them. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:13, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am saying that we should either have both articles or neither article, and that my preference is neither. I have not analyzed the sources. There is a myth in Wikipedia that acceptance or retention of an article is based entirely on the quality of the sources. Reliable sources are a necessary but not a sufficient condition for the acceptance or retention of an article. If a large number of reliable sources write about a topic that is not notable in itself, the result is a well-sourced non-notable topic. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC) :::There have been two deletion discussions about US-South Ossetia relations, in 2014 and in 2020, both of which resulted in a conclusion to delete. Then you, User:WikiCleanerMan, tried to advise me to accept South Ossetia, ignoring a very recent deletion discussion as well as an older one, and I tried to advise you to go to Deletion Review, but you didn't go to Deletion Review, but just tried to say that I should ignore the AFD and accept your draft anyway. So here we are at an AFD on the US and Abkhazia. I am trying to be consistent, and I am trying to follow procedures. Now you need to make your case here. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- I have gone to deletion review. I have been making my case and I never said you should ignore the AfD. That is a lie. And I have been making my case, but you're trying to sidestep the issue. The reason my version of the Ossetia article was considered for deletion was that I decided not to wait for the review process because I became impatient. And when I submitted it a second time for review and when you took a look at it recently you cited the AfD. An AfD that didn't even factor anything about the article. Aside from my keep vote, everyone else just said redirect. I'm sure they didn't even read the article. Both articles are well-sourced and I have laid out why both articles should exist. If you're not going to review the articles for their merits and just cite an AfD, then you shouldn't be accepting or declining draft submissions and certainly starting an AfD. "I am saying that we should either have both articles or neither article and that my preference is neither." And if your preference is neither then shouldn't be starting an AfD. You are wasting time your own time by starting this. I can only assume Bad faith from you unfortunately. "Well-sourced non-notable topic". Then I guess Armenia–Saudi Arabia relations and Armenia–Pakistan relations articles could count as such and yet there is notability just as these two articles I've created. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am saying that we should either have both articles or neither article, and that my preference is neither. I have not analyzed the sources. There is a myth in Wikipedia that acceptance or retention of an article is based entirely on the quality of the sources. Reliable sources are a necessary but not a sufficient condition for the acceptance or retention of an article. If a large number of reliable sources write about a topic that is not notable in itself, the result is a well-sourced non-notable topic. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC) :::There have been two deletion discussions about US-South Ossetia relations, in 2014 and in 2020, both of which resulted in a conclusion to delete. Then you, User:WikiCleanerMan, tried to advise me to accept South Ossetia, ignoring a very recent deletion discussion as well as an older one, and I tried to advise you to go to Deletion Review, but you didn't go to Deletion Review, but just tried to say that I should ignore the AFD and accept your draft anyway. So here we are at an AFD on the US and Abkhazia. I am trying to be consistent, and I am trying to follow procedures. Now you need to make your case here. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Şefika Altındal
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A very similar case to Büşra Demirörs in that Altındal falls short on both the SNG (WP:NFOOTBALL) and WP:GNG. Current sources are only a database profile page and 3 articles that mention her in passing.
Searches, including a Turkish source search, failed to come up with anything better than a squad list in Haber7 and a passing match report mention in Fanatik. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:24, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, non-notable footballer. Nehme1499 19:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 19:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: per above. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:36, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Berryman, Iron County, Missouri
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Another instance where GNIS is sourced to Ramsay, but Ramsay doesn't describe the location as a town. In this case, we have a rail switch for Mr. Berryman's sawmill and a short-lived 1880s post office. Newspapers.com results in Iron County bring up a passing mention to the Berryman School from 1904, as well as one passing mention to a Berryman baseball team. I found a few short mentions of a Berryman mill, but as that mill was suppose to be just outside of Arcadia, which is about 10 miles from this site, so there may have been two mills. Topos go back to 1926 and show a point on the railroad between Glover and Chloride with nothing there. Searching is a little difficult, because Berryman, Missouri is something different altogether. I'm not seeing any indications of this being a notable place. Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. A Google Maps search between Glover and Chloride only shows the Glover Facility (whatever the hell that is) and what appear to be three or four buildings within a cleared plot of land on Swaringim Road (no Street View there, unfortunately) that might be proof of Berryman's existence (these sort of look like remnants of buildings), though these could just be something unrelated, since they're somewhat close to the Glover Facility and look rather small to be houses, a post office, a school, and/or a mill; plus, even if they were all houses, that's just three very small houses between two actual settlements, which doesn't sound like a "town" to me. It does sound like there used to be some form of settlement here, but it clearly doesn't exist anymore, and it isn't notable enough to have an article like ghost towns.
- Also, unrelated question, Hog Farm: this is interesting stuff, how do you get this information? Like, the topography and all this stuff about what might've been there. Neat stuff, I wanna look at old maps and records. AdoTang (talk) 00:31, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Danish Maniyar
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The four sources cited are all clearly marked as paid-for press releases. My searches are not coming back with any coverage that isn't a press release, therefore Maniyar fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, per nom, for failing WP:GNG. When all the sources are tagged "Brand Posts" or filed under the media's PR section, it does not count as a reliable source. Ifnord (talk) 19:20, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
YRF Entertainment
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Fail WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. Will make sense to merge/redirect with Yash Raj Films as it is its subsidiary. Kolma8 (talk) 18:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge - I support its merger. It is non-notable and fails GNG. --Wildhorse3 (talk) 18:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
André Ziehe
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Simply fails WP:NMODEL/WP:BASIC...you name it... A non-notable model. Kolma8 (talk) 18:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Bhabha Hospital
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Fails WP:NBUILDING. This is a non-notable hospital. Kolma8 (talk) 18:36, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - not notable. --Wildhorse3 (talk) 18:54, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Moufid Aziz
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Badly fails WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR/WP:NMODEL. Nothing really outside mentioning of one movie and social media presence. Kolma8 (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Score Group
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Fails WP:NCORP - sources don't allow to establish independent notability - routine business news merely prove that the company exists. — kashmīrī TALK 18:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Raghuleela Mall, Vashi
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBUILD. This is a mall with lifts, elevators, stairs and shops. Kolma8 (talk) 18:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Sree Narayana Guru High School
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Fails WP:NSCHOOL, unreferenced for 3 years now. Kolma8 (talk) 18:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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German University Bangladesh
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Fails WP:ORG Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES,
Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions have enough coverage to be notable, although that coverage may not be readily available online.
This being a private university would be degree awarding. VV 10:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC) - Keep. Would appear to be an accredited degree-awarding institution, so generally considered to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:33, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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Grupo de Usuarios de Linux de Costa Rica
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A skim indicates this group does not meet the bar for notability, i.e., I failed to find reliable sources discussing the group in depth. Izno (talk) 13:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Guest Keen Williams
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Fails WP:ORG. There are no sources present in the article. Didn't find anything on google books, news or regular search. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- I have cited a 20-page book chapter about the subject in the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - the company, now known as GKW Limited, is listed on the National Stock Exchange of India according to Reuters, which doesn't necessarily point to notability, but suggests there is likely independent coverage (WP:LISTED). In a cursory search I found some news coverage under its new name: "GKW arm to come under Graphite fold" (Telegraph India); "GKW shares jump six-fold in 2 weeks" (Hindustan Times); "GKW inks pact with Western India Forgings" (Business Line); and "Phoenix Mills buys land from GKW, eyes bigger prize ahead" (Mint). Aranya (talk) 16:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Badly fails WP:GNG. Non-notable. --Wildhorse3 (talk) 19:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- And what about the sources found by me and by Aranya? Why don't you consider them to give a pass of the general notability guideline? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Integrity engineering
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Does not appear to be a notable concept. Searching mostly finds websites of companies with similar names. The talk page note ("Contributions to this update are from the "Integrity Engineering" linkedin group, these suggestions and observations where thankfully recieved and have directly influenced this article.") makes me suspect this is largely WP:OR. Poorly sourced, tagged for two years with no improvement. It is conceivable an encyclopedic article could be written on this topic, but this isn't it, and would require at best WP:TNT. earwig shows extensive copying of text; it's hard to tell who copied from who, but given the general poor quality of this article, it doesn't seem worth the effort to figure out. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: Well, the domain of Integrity engineering is mature enough to have specialties - it is applied to Non-Destructive Testing, Communications and Power, Pipeline Engineering, and Database Engineering among others. IE is a branch of Systems engineering, basically the side of it responsible for ensuring that systems work safely; it seems that this is mainly in domains involving hardware that didn't think they needed systems engineering in earlier decades, i.e. it is reinventing some wheels and applying ancient wisdom to new areas: 'twas ever thus. So, the domain is notable. I read through the article: William Hazlitt it ain't, but for engineer-speak it's actually not at all unreadable. And it's even got a list of reliable sources, not counting those I've listed here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Asset integrity management systems. They have similar scope, language, and sources and cover the overall topic of AIM. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge because of WP:OVERLAP. I understand thought that an argument for keeping the article could be made. There are few papers discussing Int Engineering in depth. But I would be more confident to lean towards "Keep" if these were review papers of academic books. Cinadon36 06:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I can see the direction of the wind here. I'd just note that a branch of engineering is not the same as a system intended to support that branch; and if one was designing an encyclopedia rationally, one would have an article on the branch, with perhaps a section or subsidiary article on systems to support it --- not the other way around. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I certainly wouldn't object to a merge in the other direction if that makes it more rational. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- It would. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- I certainly wouldn't object to a merge in the other direction if that makes it more rational. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I can see the direction of the wind here. I'd just note that a branch of engineering is not the same as a system intended to support that branch; and if one was designing an encyclopedia rationally, one would have an article on the branch, with perhaps a section or subsidiary article on systems to support it --- not the other way around. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Ramzi Najjar
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other than his death, this Najjar (and it's previous iterations) are not notable and have received no meaningful coverage. Just a guy doing his job that died, nothing more. BEACHIDICAE🌊 22:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - Run-of-the-mill author. A draft should speak for itself as to how the subject is notable. This article does not establish general notability or author notability. I have not checked the references because that is not necessary because the draft as written does not speak for itself. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Robert McClenon Can you please review the sources I have added after this nomination? This person is different from draft one as you've noted below. There are many more sources in Arabic language (see his Arabic Wikipedia page). Thanks. Störm (talk) 10:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - There are two run-of-the-mill authors with the same name, one living. See also Draft:Ramzi Najjar. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - This draft does not speak for itself in terms of establishing notability. There is a myth in Wikipedia that adding references is the key to acceptance of a draft. References are a necessary but not a sufficient condition. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Most of the references are reports of his death. Others are interviews or passing mentions.
Delete - please delete page. Some Storm went in and changed the details from my name to another Ramzi Najjar who is deceased. 178.135.8.46 (talk) 08:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Reference | Comments | Independent | Significant | |
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1 | Lbcgroup.TV | Death report | Yes | No |
2 | AZM University | Death report | Yes | No |
3 | Dailystar.com.lb | Account of a corporate proxy fight | Yes | No |
4 | Arabadonline.com | Passing mention of subject | Yes | No |
5 | Arabadonline.com | Interview | No | |
6 | Dailystar.com.lb | Statement by subject | No | |
7 | Annahar.com | Death report in Arabic | Yes | No |
8 | Arabadonline.com | Obituary | Yes | No |
9 | Alraimedia.com | Death report in Arabic | Yes | No |
10 | Annahar.com | Obituary in Arabic | Yes | No |
11 | nna-leb.gov.lb | Report of book signing (in French) | Yes | No |
12 | Elfann.com | Death report in Arabic | Yes | No |
13 | Arabadonline.com | Report of death in French | Yes | No |
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Delete - please delete page. Some Storm went in and changed the details from my name to another Ramzi Najjar who is deceased. 178.135.8.46 (talk) 08:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC) struck as an obvious duplicate of the entry made by 178.135.8.46 Meters (talk) 06:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - easily passes WP:GNG. He was a notable figure in Arab world. With a simple search I found some additional sources [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], [42]. Thanks. Störm (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yet again, you've missed the point. These are all 1E. He died. There's no coverage before his death. BEACHIDICAE🌊 15:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Obituaries are not sufficient to establish WP:BIO notability. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment - I don't think BLP1E applies. It would apply if the death notices were because of some unusual way to die, but the obituaries instead detail a long and varied business and media career, which clearly surpasses 1E. I haven't looked closely at all the sources, because I have monolingual issues, but what I can see seems to be obituaries run by organizations to which he contributed, (a school, a magazine), so I'm not sure they're really independent. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. Many are independent as summarized by User:Robert McClenon above. Störm (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe I should change my assessment to Maybe Independent, but it doesn't matter because they are not significant. Many of them are not even obituaries, but only death reports. And he died the same number of times that most of us will eventually die. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. Many are independent as summarized by User:Robert McClenon above. Störm (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - some interviews of Najjar - 02/04/2012 interview on MTV Lebanon, 03/04/12 radio interview, 30/05/12 interview on Al Arabiya, 11/04/12 radio interview, April 2012 interview on Al Yawm TV, a tribute to Najjar services by Voice of Lebanon, another tribute by MTV, funeral and much more coverage is available here. @Robert McClenon:, @Ohnoitsjamie: if they want to change their vote. Thanks. Störm (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep It passes WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Notable. --Wildhorse3 (talk) 19:07, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Jonathan Kang Qi Xu
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Very incomplete and broken article. Think it needs to be moved to draft space to allow time to bake and establish more references. It currently isn't in any shape for mainspace. zchrykng (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails WP:GNG. While his older namesake Jonathan Xu has some coverage found online, the younger Xu does not. Alvaldi (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - vanity article on a youth player that completely fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL, like millions of youth footballers worldwide, he has zero coverage and isn't notable. Wikipedia is not a place for promoting yourself. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, promotional page for non-notable player. Nehme1499 18:47, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 19:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: per above. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
ATS Infrastructure
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There are two sources about routine announcements of funding but not enough to satisfy WP:NCORP. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:10, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep The page is outdated with few references, but a quick Google News search shows that there are actually quite a few sources available with updated information. The page simply needs a rewrite. Gargleafg (talk) 23:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment Will be best if such said sources are listed here to be observed and analysed by everyone. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Balaji Jayaraman
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Fails WP:GNG misses significant coverage. Impeeriumalo (talk) 14:49, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Triples (web series), their only notable work. No indication of meeting GNG. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:35, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Keyva King
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Fails WP:GNG lacks news coverage Impeeriumalo (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep The article is rambling at the moment but some coverage is there to pass WP:GNG like [43][44][45][46][47][48] etc. TheChronium 14:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Kerrie Burn
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Fails both WP:PROF and WP:GNG. The articles about Wikipedia editing do not give the necessary in-depth coverage. StAnselm (talk) 14:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Delete fails WP:GNG. --Jeff Quinn (talk) 17:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Burn is not an academic, so is not expected to meet the notability framework for academics. She is a librarian working in an academic space and getting increasing notice for her work on the Australian Women in Religion project, in particular. I have been busy and not had time to include some extra information to the page, however I anticipate that I will be able to do this in the next week. DrMushEa (talk) 00:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Dag Vågsås
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Fails WP:NACTOR. I couldn't sufficient sources with a WP:BEFORE search and I can't see an obvious redirect. Suonii180 (talk) 13:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep, probably speedy, but trim. Meets WP:ANYBIO per added source from the Great Norwegian Encyclopedia, but I haven't had the time to synchronize/trim myself. Geschichte (talk) 08:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - source added by User:Geschichte qualifies the subject under WP:ANYBIO. Ingratis (talk) 18:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Orange Field Tea Factory
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I originally PRODed the article, then the creator left this message on my talk page. DePRODed and nominating for AfD to seek a wider consensus. I still think the Orange Field Tea Factory fails WP:COMPANY, not enough reliable sources to qualify for notability. Chanaka L (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:NCORP, I could not find any significant coverage in reliable sources. Cool name though. SailingInABathTub (talk) 14:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, fails WP:NCORP, lacks indepth coverage. TheChronium 14:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Gibraltar Wave F.C.
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Amateur team which does not meet either WP:FOOTYN or WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 13:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Gibraltar Women's Football League, no independent notability demonstrated. GiantSnowman 19:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Red Eagle Politics
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Non-notable Youtube channel, sources are a mixture of primary, passing mentions and unreliable blog type sites. No substantial RS coverage to speak of. Spicy (talk) 13:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, took the words out of my mouth. 107k subs and mentions in conservative blogs don't greenlight an article, and it looks like this was created for the sole reason that he's a YouTuber that didn't have an article beforehand, which I seriously doubt is grounds for an article. AdoTang (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No independent reliable sources to be found. Fails GNG. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:59, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Fails GNG, can't see any reliable sources. TheChronium 14:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Mention point in favor. In response to GNG section "Independent of the subject". Some of the sources referenced were indeed independent of the subject. Some of the sources were published/printed by others with no familial relation to the subject. I think it should be a point worth mentioning and is valid to mention. I respectfully understand that most of the sources were biased and I freely own up to that. My talk pages in responding to other users show I was willing to look for secondary sources and just asked to keep it up for a bit while I was researching. I also included a link to his official site while is a valid exception in creating an article on a person to include their own website. I hope you will acknowledge (even if it is decided to be deleted) that it is a valid point. "Unreliable"? Some may have been but others are/were listed as no consensus. Would have been proper to list sources a "mixture" of unreliable and no consensus. If this leads to deletion, I will respectfully acquiesce, but part of consensus is give and take so there should at the very least be an acknowledgement in this discussion of the good points I raised or I will honestly think editors don't have the good faith principle at heart Updatewithfacts (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Follow up mention One of the notes brought up on my article was "This article may require copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling." If the article is to be deleted due to improper sourcing on my part, that can be seen as understandable. I worked very hard on the article and invested several hours in working on the grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling. I respectfully think that one (of the all complaints) is in error. Hopefully someone can reread the article and if they still feel it requires copy editing, at the very least make the distinction that it is mostly in terms of style or tone and that the spelling and grammar is (at the very least) average for the articles allowed. Updatewithfacts (talk) 18:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Additional mention per the rules of afd debate/consensus, I am freely allowed to join in and make my defense. Non-notable can be taken as a reasonable stance with a couple of major exceptions: without these 2, it would be fair to see that he is non notable. The 2 exceptions I bring up show a valid point that should be acknowledged if the consensus leads to deletion. He broke a hit story on a White House official creating an Only Fans page. Look up on the Internet and see if it can be found (all sources I have researched and found point to him as breaking the story). Breaking a story on a White House official lends credence to him being notable (point in favor). Second is due to many of his election predictions being true in federal elections and the breakdown of polls being off in the elections; few reliable sources can lay claim to both. That is a second point in my favor. This might sound contentious but I am making a defense of my article and whatever the future of it ends up being, these are valid points to consider and acknowledge. Updatewithfacts (talk) 18:20, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete To evaluate the sources currently on the article (source numbers are for revision [49]):
- Sources 2,3,4,5,12,13,14 are WP:ABOUTSELF
- Sources 1,8 are from Steve Bannon (as an interview/podcast respectively). Not reliable for GNG purposes as it is self-published.
- Sources 6,7 are passing mentions. Not significant coverage for GNG. (this is before looking at the reliability of the actual site)
- Source 9,10,11 cite Red Eagle for a news piece, without significant coverage of the actual channel. Doesn't meet GNG requirements. Also to note 10,11 are the same article just on different sites. (this is before looking at the reliability of the actual site)
- None of the current sources on the article meet the requirements of WP:GNG, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". I was also not able to find any additional sources that could save the article. Jumpytoo Talk 19:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Delete per nom, fails GNG. As mentioned, many of the refs are to content generated by Red Eagle; last one is fund raising. David notMD (talk) 20:11, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as above + I see nothing but PROMO. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 21:24, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Valid point History of editor shows he (I) is/am new to editing and have repeatedly requested help and exercise of good faith. I have created a talk page for the article, issued invitations to editors, brought up valid points that (irrespective of article's future) have repeatedly not been addressed. If the article is to be taken down without due care to address valid points made, apologies where they should be addressed, this (not a threat) will be allowed to be screenshot and shown as proof that new editors are not given respect on Wikipedia. I came onto Wikipedia in good faith and the hope that proper respectful dialogue will ensue. Not pointing out where valid points are addressed, apologizing where necessary, and bordering on avoiding comments made by the user in question is a stark departure from Wikipedia guidelines on Good Faith, Consensus, and instruction to new editors. I am reaching out once again. If the consensus is to be that the article is to be taken down, kindly point out areas where I was correct, make those needed corrections (examples, "non notable", "unreliable", and "copy editing". There has been no apologies or corrections with regards to these claims or at the very least proper acknowledgments. Updatewithfacts (talk) 21:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Valid point Valid point brought up that many are content generated by Red Eagle, which is partially allowed. If the article were to be allowed to exist, honest look would acknowledge that biography page created by Red Eagle on his website would be valid per standards on self-published work created by him. Lack of acknowledgment that 10z link was not made by Red Eagle, in collaboration with him, or direct fundraising of him. If valid points are to be brought up towards deletion, valid points to preservation or misconduct should be acknowledged. Updatewithfacts (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Update/Concession Willing to take down article and not bring create a new one in the future on Wikipedia if acknowledgment to valid points are made and proper apologies issued. I want to learn and be a competent Wikipedia editor but there have been objectively honest mistreatment. Several editors have behaved in misconduct, refused to apologize or correct misinformation and I want to know that I can be in a constructive place to grow as an editor. Part of that involves more mature editors admitting when I have brought up valid points and apologizing. This is a promise that I will hold myself to: if proper acknowledgments and apologies are made, I will immediately take the page down and only post article for reliably source, notable subjects. Updatewithfacts (talk) 21:42, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Solar cycle (calendar)
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Indiscriminate collection of topics that are more thoroughly and appropriately discussed in other articles. Request for sources has not been responded to since 2009. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep, per the available reliable sources. I have added some to the article. SailingInABathTub (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per above sources added by SailingInABathTub, it should pass GNG now. TheChronium 14:59, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- The article now really has only one good source, Christianson (2000). One of the remaining is by an astrological publisher, and the rest are at least 100 years old. Phillip (2012) is a republication of a 1921 work. Calendars may be slowly-changing topic, but more current sources are appropriate to determine what is notable enough for an article. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:59, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
HDClone
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Non-notable product of a non-notable company. Relies exclusively on primary sources for all the important content. Links to articles about tips and reviews on this software are noted in the reception rection, though nothing really significant. The "literature" is a list of all the books in which the subject is namedropped. Mottezen (talk) 07:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - we have passing mentions and the odd short review, as you'd expect for any piece of commercial software, but nothing that rises to the level of significant coverage as required to demonstrate notability. firefly ( t · c ) 12:35, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As per nom. There is no indepth coverage available to qualify for GNG. TheChronium 14:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
2016 South American U-17 Women's Championship squads
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Unsourced squad list for a youth tournament, fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 12:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Abdullah Sallum Abdullah
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Not Notable Person Aliaboomar (talk) 11:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Former state minister of parliamentary affairs - gentleman ran against Bashar Al Assad for presidency of Syria. SNOW keep; SNOW fail to become president. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Why is a search coming back with Abdullah Salluom Abdullah? Perhaps a mispelling? Like with the other AfD, I can't find much on the individual and nothing in-depth. If WP:NPOL allows us to keep subjects that you can't find reliable biographical information on beyond two sentences then maybe there is an issue with the way NPOL is written. I digress, that's another issue for another time. Fails WP:GNG, WP:N, WP:V and pretty much every other guideline surrounding notability but passes WP:NPOL so I guess the subject gets a golden ticket. --ARoseWolf 13:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep It should pass for WP:NPOL per Alexandermcnabb assesment. TheChronium 14:47, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Mahmoud Ahmad Marei
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Not Notable Person --Aliaboomar (talk) 11:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Clearly notable. This AfD is frivolous. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:26, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Alexandermcnabb Since it is clear and you have done a search, please provide three sources that cover the subject in depth and are verifiable, reliable and independent of the subject. --ARoseWolf 12:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect - The subject is referred to as an "obscure figure" and the "head of a small, officially sanctioned opposition group". Can not find any reliable sources that give the subject in-depth coverage. My assessment is that it should be a redirect to 2021 Syrian presidential election. --ARoseWolf 13:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - In the Guardian article, his name is given as "Marie", not "Marei". Is this just an error? Deb (talk) 18:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Broadway Stakes (NYB)
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The article is about an event that fails WP:GNG for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing. Under project guidelines the event should be at a minimum be graded. This event is a non-graded restricted race which lacks notability. (talk) 11:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Sentera
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The company is not notable. It's even not a stub. The reliable sources are absent. Don't meet WP:N and WP:ORG Sharky tale (talk) 10:20, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - nom summed it up perfectly. versacespaceleave a message! 11:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom JeanPaulMontmartre (talk) 12:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Uncontroversial. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. lacks reliable coverage. TheChronium 15:00, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Swarmcast
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The company is/was not notable. Reliable sources are absent. It also fails to meet WP:N and WP:ORG. Sharky tale (talk) 10:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Uncontroversially fails WP:ORG, no sourcing in article, no coverage in RS. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:29, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- DeleteI really did try to dig up independent, reliable sources on this one. But returned empty handed. I don't think this passes the minimum necessary standards required of a Wikipedia article, JeanPaulMontmartre (talk) 12:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. lacks reliable coverage to qualify GNG. TheChronium 15:00, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Marcello Rosati
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Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Delete Rosati fails WP:NFOOTY as the Vatican City isn't a FIFA member. He also fails GNG due to a lack of significant coverage about him. Dougal18 (talk) 10:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 14:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, non-notable player. Nehme1499 14:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above Dr Salvus 15:14, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Dead Lines (film)
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Non-notable television film, cannot find significant coverage of the film (no notable reviews, no coverage of production or impact), does not meet WP:NF or WP:GNG BOVINEBOY2008 08:47, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete When a listing in the Radio Times is as good as you get, you are a dead line. Search threw up little beyond that, a couple other listings and, of course, IMDB. Which doth not pass WP:GNG Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I could find no substantial coverage to show that this is notable. It looks to have been made and aired with almost no fanfare. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 12:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Comp-u-Learn Tech India
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A formerly WP:LISTED company, but I don't see any independent sourcing other than orders, acquisitions, partnerships, etc which fall under routine coverage per NCORP. Revenue figures of ₹28.46 crore (US$4.0 million) in 2010 and ₹1.79 crore (US$250,000) in 2014-15 suggest that this is a run of the mill software company. M4DU7 (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, No reliable references can be found JeanPaulMontmartre (talk) 12:10, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Italian Rinnovamento
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This article is completely unsourced in its scope: there is no such a thing as the 'Italian Rinnovamento'. Such expression was extracted from a couple of articles and interviews (of Mario Draghi) given in Italian, and on these interviews a supposed "historical period" has been invented by one single user, User:Peter39c. I think the existence of an historical period must be sourced by historical studies, or at least a large publication record mentioning that period. So I propose its deletion for a number of overlapping reasons, among which WP:MADEUP, WP:NEO, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:SYNTH, WP:NRVE, WP:CRYSTAL (in the infobox it states that this historical period lasts from 2021 to 2030, so it's predicting the future!). Ritchie92 (talk) 08:23, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Rubbish. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete While a nice expression of hope, nominator has the right of it that this article fails, inter alia, WP:CRYSTAL. Nice calllout to Alcide De Gasperi, however. Draghi can hope to emulate him. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 18:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - complete WP:SYNTH. Onel5969 TT me 02:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Nilai 3 Wholesale Centre
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No sources other than self published non independent sites and zero indication of Notablity. Ratnahastintalk 07:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Sapan Krishna
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Vanity piece (and effectively unsourced BLP, as there are no footnotes, so it's not clear where the info come from) on a non-notable actor. Search finds nothing even approaching RS sigcov; the article in The Daily Eye listed in the references probably comes closest, but I don't know how reliable it is, and in any case it's based on an interview. Fails WP:GNG / WP:NACTOR. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Article's a mess, referencing's a mess, notability's a mess. It's a mess. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:42, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NACTOR. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:21, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. No indication of meeting NACTOR or GNG. Ab207 (talk) 16:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Atma Global
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Company doesn't pass WP:ORG; WP:GNG; was declined G7 because they have won an award. A bronze 'Stevie' (one of a very large number awarded) apart, there is zero notability on offer here. In the first 4 sources given in the article, the company isn't even mentioned in 3 of 'em... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. A BEFORE shows no coverage outside of the Stevie award and the coverage is not significant. JBchrch talk 15:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. I think company pass WP:ORG; WP:GNG (Examples of substantial coverage: A scholarly article, a book passage, or ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization)
List of released tutorials and their availability in libraries around the world: [1] (416 works in 526 publications in 1 language and 53,185 library holdings) For example: available in the F.D. Bluford Library [2], Arkansas Tech University [3], The Chinese University of Hong Kong Library [4] and “Cultural Globalization A Bibliography” Institute for Humanities and Cultural Studies in Iran: [5] S0merkile (talk) 14:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2008181209/
- ^ http://www.library.ncat.edu/dbm/dbi
- ^ https://libguides.atu.edu/HR/videos
- ^ https://www.lib.cuhk.edu.hk/uclib/html/featurelist/uceduhb.html
- ^ http://www.ihcs.ac.ir/grids/168/109/filesFolder/ghanbari/CULTURAL%20GLOBAL%20BOOKS%20%20JOURNAL% 20ARTICLES.pdf
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- Keep. I google subject's products (e.g. CultureQuest) - it looks like they used in university courses (in Additional References): One and Two Plus I found some tutorial references Also there are many small publishers on Wikipedia, for example Bento Books and Dunedin Academic Press Ftopay (talk) 17:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Flying Dutchman (Pirates of the Caribbean)
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I prodded this with "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar.". It was deprodded without any helpful rationale and the article has not been improved. It has no reception/significance/development/whatever section, and is a pure plot summary. I did find this, but it's a WP:INTERVIEW with the film producers. I checked the fan-wiki article at https://pirates.fandom.com/wiki/Flying_Dutchman and it lists no better sources. I am afraid this is one of those articles that may well have home on such fan wikis, but not on Wikipedia (due to not meeting GNG). Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete It doesn't even have a See Also to the actual Flying Dutchman, but deserves little more than a mention under the 'film' section of that article. No significant coverage, as nom notes. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete There may be sources out there relating to the creation and design of the ship for the movies, but that information, if found, could be included in the production sections of Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and/or Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. Right now there is no useful information in this article to be redirected or merged somewhere else. Rhino131 (talk) 12:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Jennifer Etito
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non notable and promotional. The refs are interviews where she says whart she likes, as even the titles indicate. DGG ( talk ) 04:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Agree with nom and also think Celestina007 would enjoy the many works of this prolific Nigerian editor. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete — No in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. @Alexandermcnabb, I find your ping to be mischievous, I however know you mean well and your ping a nudge for me to investigate possible undisclosed paid editing. I have done so in the past and without divulging much that is all I am permitted to say. I am however concerned that they possess Autopatrol and are creating a promotional article for a non notable entity. Their eligibility to hold Autopatrol is what is debatable, I’m afraid that’s all I am permitted to say. I’m restrained at the moment by higher authority not to divulge more than this. Celestina007 (talk) 14:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Zorua and Zoroark
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What makes those Pokemon notable? Even the article's lead states that "The reception for the two Pokémon are relatively mild, with generally favorable fan and critic comments, although the two consistently placed somewhat low in popularity polls." and the tiny reception concurs - they are listed in high double digits or even triple in lists of Pokemon popularity, and have zero recognition outside Pokemon fandom. BEFORE doesn't show anything reliable that's not a mention in passing, no WP:SIGCOV outside game guides 'how to get them/how to play with them'. The best solution with WP:PRESERVE in mind would be to redirect this to List of generation V Pokémon. Hmmm, this also makes me wonder if we need to give the surviving Pokemon articles another pass? It has been a while since the Great Old Pokemon debate (or should it be Great Old Pokemon Purge...? :>). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of generation V Pokémon. I recommend doing another pass on those other Pokemon articles. AdoTang (talk) 13:58, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect I looked through the sources in Reception, and they are all just lists. Definitely not the coverage needed for WP:GNG or WP:NFICTION. Link20XX (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect their individual names, delete the combined name article. The reception relies almost entirely on listicles and does not pass WP:SIGCOV. It was clearly created as an end run around the Pokemon test. Oh, and Game Informer? Zorua is not in fact better, what exactly are you smoking.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:14, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Michael Newman (lifeguard)
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Fails GNG Heart (talk) 03:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Darcy Richardson
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Does not meet WP:BASIC, WP:NPOL, or WP:NAUTHOR. Many of the citations are links to the Alliance Party website, routine campaign coverage, passing mentions, and unreliable sources. No significant individual notability established. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep I can see coverage on google news like [50] [51][52][53][54][55]. It should pass for GNG. TheChronium 14:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- TheChronium, those only mention Richardson in passing, except for two unreliable sources you've included. Articles need to be primarily about him for the purposes of establishing notability. ― Tartan357 Talk 20:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Jade Simmons
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Does not appear to meet WP:BASIC, WP:NPOL, or WP:NARTIST. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Tracy Humphrey
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Utterly non-notable. Fails WP:JOURNALIST and all other biographical notability guidelines. Sources given are either not independent (the external links section), a single mention (the San Jose Magazine piece), or a blog post. schetm (talk) 03:24, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Frank R. Pfetsch
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Old unreferenced BLP tagged in December 2017. The only external link provided is to a biography provided by his employer, University of Heidelberg here. G-searches provided plenty of books and papers written by the subject but I'm unable to find anything *about* him from reliable sources. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:42, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. Many published reviews of his many books give him a pass of WP:AUTHOR, at least. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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The result was speedy delete, WP:CSD#G4. — The Earwig (talk) 02:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
The Richardsons Movie
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Fails GNG and NFILMS. Heart (talk) 02:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Protection of the Virgin Mary Monastery
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Despite my due diligence - I do not believe this subject meets WP:GNG. I welcome others discoveries - perhaps someone else will find enough reliable secondary sources to prove otherwise.
I would also be open minded to a REDIRECT to Serbian Orthodox Eparchy of New Gračanica and Midwestern America.
Thanks for assuming good faith with this nomination. Missvain (talk) 01:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge selectively to Serbian Orthodox Eparchy of New Gračanica and Midwestern America for about a paragraph as there is not enough content or significant coverage for a standalone article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge selectively to Serbian Orthodox Eparchy of New Gračanica and Midwestern America as pointed out above. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 10:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Merge, as suggested by others JeanPaulMontmartre (talk) 12:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Serbian Orthodox Eparchy of New Gračanica and Midwestern AmericaSonofstar (talk) 13:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
KOAD-LP
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A defunct local radio station that does not appear to pass the WP:GNG. The only bit of actual coverage included in the article is just in the local paper for the town it broadcast from. I was unable to find any additional coverage in reliable sources beyond that. I initially PRODed it, but it was de-PRODed with the argument that there was two local papers covering it. However, I don't think they realized that it is actually the same article/source, just linked to twice. Rorshacma (talk) 01:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: Actually I said "two local newspaper articles, I think not." Not "two local papers". Now, Rorshacma is correct, it is the same link, but what they are incorrect about is, even one local media story is enough for it to pass NMEDIA and GNG. Also, KOAD-LP is still airing...sorta...as an internet-only station via the station's kfunradio.com website, branding as "K-Fun 92.5". This is significant as the LPFM's classic rock format is still on-going, along with local news, weather, and commercials. Apparently K-Fun has studios located within the Hanford Mall.
- According to this article, the station is still on the air. This one talks about their morning show. On the station's stream, you can hear them very quickly ID as "KOAD-LP Hanford". While I concede, the license is officially cancelled, the station is still operating in some form or another. So, it's still notable and well within GNG and NMEDIA. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Rorshacma is absolutely right that this radio station does not pass WP:GNG. Neutralhomer Since you believe the subject passes WP:NMEDIA, can you provide one source that fits the criteria
"Notability may be presumed for a radio and television broadcast station if it verifiably meets through reliable sources, one or more of a variety of factors, such as importance to and history in the station's market, or originating some of its own programming."
? What makes it stand apart from other radio stations that do not have an article? NMEDIA also says an article can be redirected to a list of radio stations that serve the area. I dont know if there is such a list but that's a possibility if there is. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC)- @ARoseWolf: If you look at my post, you will see several different links that aren't included in the sourcing of the article itself. Those should be more than sufficient. :) Hanford is a city of about 53,967 in 2010, but doesn't have a list of radio stations or a media section. Even if it did, the amount of media coverage this LPFM station has more than passes GNG, V, N, and NMEDIA. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- I would disagree about it passing those other guidelines even if it passes NMEDIA and is allowed to stay in the encyclopedia. I don't believe Wikipedia should be an indiscriminate collection of data. I don't believe the intent was just because it exists then it should get an article. If we had something more on the historical value of the subject then I might would unequivocally accept it belongs but we don't get that. There is nothing that makes this radio station unique among all the other radio stations. If we don't have an article for every human being just because they exist then why should we have an article on every radio station. That's my rationale. I concede that your sources have it passing NMEDIA. I'll let others weigh the information and give their assessment. --ARoseWolf 16:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- @ARoseWolf: If you look at my post, you will see several different links that aren't included in the sourcing of the article itself. Those should be more than sufficient. :) Hanford is a city of about 53,967 in 2010, but doesn't have a list of radio stations or a media section. Even if it did, the amount of media coverage this LPFM station has more than passes GNG, V, N, and NMEDIA. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've added one FCC citation relating to the cancellation. It's a bit of an unusual one—they got a station elsewhere and had to divest or shut down the Hanford LPFM. But I'm running into the issue of just one newspaper reference. The Hanford Sentinel seems to have mentioned them a couple more times, but not in articles useful to this (and invariably as KFUN, as a note): [56] [57] But I'm having some notability qualms still, even though personally I lean toward keeping on something like this. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:13, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment to Sammi Brie: I think "K-Fun" was their branding, but KOAD was their callsign. It's kinda like callsigned KZID brands as "K-Hits". I am more than happy to throw my brand of updating at the article if you feel it would help. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)