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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.
This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.
A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.
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December 22
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RD: Dmitry Zimin
Recent deaths nomination ()
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Andrei (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Looks fairly comprehensive (about 760 words) & well documented. – Sca (talk) 20:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
December 21
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RD: George Alexander Albrecht
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Neue Musikzeitung
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German conductor and composer Grimes2 (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough and with enough footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY FOR RD. --PFHLai (talk) 23:21, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: P. A. Ibrahim Haji
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Khaleej Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · )
- Updated by To be updated. (talk · )
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian businessman in the UAE. Article needs some work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Myrna Manzanares
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [1][2],[3]
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Never heard of her before just now, trying to fight systemic bias. I hope the source is reliable. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is a good length and fully referenced. Breaking Belize News looks generally reliable, and the local evening news should also cover the story. Joofjoof (talk) 22:51, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Added obit from Channel 5 Belize. Joofjoof (talk) 02:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 23:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
December 20
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2021 Madagascar shipwreck
Blurb: At least 64 people are killed in a shipwreck off the northeast coast of Madagascar ()
News source(s): France 24
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Just created a basic article for this shipwreck which happened on Monday. Info is scarce, but 64 killed and 24 missing (plus 2 further missing from a helicopter crash carrying police to the site) - Dumelow (talk) 10:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support because the death toll is high enough & the article good enough for it to be posted. Jim Michael (talk) 13:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Most of the media don't take much interest in accidental sinkings of ships in poor countries which have no international angle. However, the sources are sufficient for the article. Jim Michael (talk) 13:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article is barely more than a stub (1575 characters). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Translation: 293 words of text. – Sca (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sca Thanks for pointlessly translating, and doing it based on a different version of the article, so it makes no sense (and isn't a translation). Your pointless comments like this make such a positive contribution to ITNC.... Considering a stub is under 1500 characters, posting the number of characters is entirely sensible. Whereas you posting useless replies like this isn't. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Dear Mr. Joseph: Merry Christmas to you too, and all the best in the year ahead. – Sca (talk) 17:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Joseph2302 At this point, its clear this user is more interested in antagonizing others than contributing. We would all do well to stop feeding him. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sca Thanks for pointlessly translating, and doing it based on a different version of the article, so it makes no sense (and isn't a translation). Your pointless comments like this make such a positive contribution to ITNC.... Considering a stub is under 1500 characters, posting the number of characters is entirely sensible. Whereas you posting useless replies like this isn't. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Translation: 293 words of text. – Sca (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support Tragic shipwreck but the article is barely over a stub. Gotitbro (talk) 21:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Serge Gellé is a stub fork which can be incorporated into this article. Woah, he really swam 12 hours to the shore after a botched rescue. Gotitbro (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Kimera Bartee
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 04:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Sourced and comprehensive enough.—Bagumba (talk) 05:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Malaysian floods
Blurb: Floods in Malaysia kill at least 27 and displace over 63,000 people. ()
Alternative blurb: Floods in Malaysia leave at least 27 dead and 4 missing.
Alternative blurb II: Floods in Malaysia displace over 63,000 people.
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters, France 24, The Straits Times, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by PenangLion (talk · )
- Created by Ainty Painty (talk · )
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Worst floods in the country for seven-years, and has been described as the worst in some regions since the 1971 Kuala Lumpur floods. The flood began on 17 December, but the damages were not reported until the 19th. It wasn't until today (20 December) where the real damages and bodies were found. The government officially lists at 7-8 dead, some unofficial reports (in a news broadcast by a major television station) stated the death toll at 15, while others at 25. It could potentially rise at any given moment. However, I still list the death toll at 7, as that is the figure confirmed by the government. (PenangLion (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC))
- Comment The damages of this flood should be probably listed in the blurb rather than how many displaced, since it is over $70 million USD. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose at this time. I share the concern of many that we over-emphasize mass casualty events at ITN, and there are two events currently posted with dramatically larger impacts. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- The only disaster currently on ITN which has a larger impact than this is Typhoon Rai. Jim Michael (talk) 08:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Setting aside that my comment is two days old, Haiti has a higher death toll as well. This would also leave us with two mass casualty events deriving from typhoons in the same area. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- The only disaster currently on ITN which has a larger impact than this is Typhoon Rai. Jim Michael (talk) 08:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now I don't believe that the economic impact is the decisive factor in this tragedy, as well as in other tragedies. It's something natural and inevitable. So far I don't see an ITN-worthy number of fatalities. For now. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support The death toll has risen. —Ainty Painty (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I think the number of fatalities is comparable to another previous flood on ITN, these floods had around 5. I do not want to "ignore" this event based on the casualties metric, however I agree that economic impact is minimal/localized and makes it less relevant than the other flood, as well as other events taking precedence. Symphoricarpos albus (talk) 16:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's not a valid comparable, as it was not posted. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, my mistake. Here's a better example, Tropical Storm Kompasu (2021) that was posted. There was discussion there about death count (40), with the consensus being that there's no minimum. I think the point that that metric isn't the most important is still applicable.Symphoricarpos albus (talk) 05:55, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support. A large amount of rainfall is expected for the coming days which will make the problems much worse. Count Iblis (talk) 20:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose floods doing flood things. Tragic, but in the end not ITN level for weather. NoahTalk 01:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It is the deadliest floods in the country since 1996/1971, and is a major chapter on climate change in Malaysia. PenangLion (talk) 08:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support ... with a change. Widely covered, reasonably complete and impactful. But the 300-word 'Connection to climate changes' section seems overdone. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Does the article still need updating? Seriously, we've let in ITNR items that are far, far, far less important than this slip by too easily. I mean, actual rivers burst its banks and caused deaths. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Unusual flooding with significant destruction and deaths. Article also looks fine for ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
December 19
Disasters and accidents
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Politics and elections
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RD: Madhur Kapila
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · )
- Created by Rajeshwar Chahal (talk · )
- Updated by Rajeshwar Chahal (talk · ) and Anne Delong (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian Hindi language novelist. Article requires some expansion and some work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. I will get to it shortly. In case someone wants to lend a hand or two, jump right-in. Edits done. Article has shaped into a decent biography somewhere in between start and C-class. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough and with enough footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY FOR RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Armenia wins Junior Eurovision
WP:NAC: although the main Eurovision contest is on WP:ITNR, this junior version is far less significant. The universal opposition so far indicates there is no chance of this being posted. Closing per WP:SNOW. Modest Genius talk 13:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: 14 years-old Maléna of Armenia wins the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021 in Paris ()
Alternative blurb: Maléna wins Junior Eurovision 2021 for Armenia, bringing a second victory to her country
News source(s): https://junioreurovision.tv/story/armenia-wins-junior-eurovision-2021
Credits:
- Nominated by Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk · )
- Oppose because it's nowhere near important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 12:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, the important (ITNR) event is the Eurovision Song Contest, this is the junior version. --Tone 12:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose (ec) posting this youth competition; the regular one is ITNR, I believe, but that has more visibility. 331dot (talk) 12:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose youth events aren't generally ITN-worthy, this event is not covered prominently in sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as above, youth/junior events like this really aren't top tier. --Masem (t) 13:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Better suited for ITN on Portal:Europe? --PFHLai (talk) 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Robert H. Grubbs
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Caltech
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize laureate in Chemistry Grimes2 (talk) 23:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes in expected spots, and thus looks good enough for RD purposes. However, when I clicked on a few of the linked refs (spot checks only -- I did not check every ref), I found a number of deadlinks. Can these ref-links be refreshed, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 05:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 Chilean general election
Blurb: Gabriel Boric (pictured) is elected President of Chile. ()
Alternative blurb: Gabriel Boric, of the leftist Broad Front, wins the Chilean presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: Gabriel Boric (pictured), leader of Apruebo Dignidad, is elected President of Chile.
News source(s): NY Times, TRT World, DW, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Official result. Klast conceded defeat and all RS are calling Boric the winner. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 23:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see any prose update with those RS calling Boric the winner and showing Klast's concession. Updated tables are not enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment article needs prose and updates. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)- Strong support huge upset in Chilean politics, but can someone find a better photo? This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Photo swapped. Joofjoof (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Better, thanks This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Photo swapped. Joofjoof (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Needs work There is no prose whatsoever in the results section. The French article can help as a starting point. Joofjoof (talk) 00:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose needs more results prose. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle per Joseph2302. While OrbitalBuzzsaw does have a good point that it was a huge upset, the article needs work. Fakescientist8000 (talk)
- Comment on Alt Blurb While it is true that he leads the Broad Front, it would be better to link to Apruebo Dignidad, which is the electoral alliance. BSMRD (talk) 13:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support It is a game changing result for Chile, including the youngest elected head of state in the world and the president elected with the largest number of votes in Chilean history. I don't see however why are we using a medium quality picture taken from a video when we have the official portrait available in Commons. --B1mbo (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support, Elections such as this one are important and should come in the news.The article contains enough information, but it would be better to divide it into headings. Alex-h (talk) 16:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support. This nomination was removed for some time by an anonymous editor, and I nominated it in the meantime. Consider that as a support by itself. --Bedivere (talk) 17:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support. Much more notable than the prime minister of Tonga. Also many people are following this story. hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 18:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment This is ITNR, so no need to pile up the supports. As it has been pointed up above, some prose about the reactions/aftermath is missing, until then this cannot be posted because the article is not ready. People familiar with Chile should not have problem filling that in. --Tone 19:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is now ready. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the adjective "leftist" derogatory in the United States? I know it is not the intention of the person who proposes the blurb, but maybe it can generate some inconvenience. And perhaps something could be added about the big upset it has caused. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- But it wasn't an upset. Boric was favourite since the begging of the race. The upset, perhaps, was Klast get to the second round (his win in the first round was a surprise for many people). See all the opinion polls. Besides, I'd rather my original blurb which is more neutral. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Why are we using an old photograph of him, when we have the official one released by Gabriel Boric's team? --B1mbo (talk) 04:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- cause it has been 29 days and Boric's team has yet to confirm that they have officially released the image for the licence needed for it to be used on wikimedia. If anything, the image is scheduled to be deleted tomorrow so using it on the ITN page today is a bad idea.27.123.136.73 (talk) 06:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, let's keep questioning why he hasn't sent another e-mail to OTRS while he is being elected President. Wikipedia, always surprising. --B1mbo (talk) 12:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- It is nice of English Wikipedia to not use an image that may be violating his copyright... Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, let's keep questioning why he hasn't sent another e-mail to OTRS while he is being elected President. Wikipedia, always surprising. --B1mbo (talk) 12:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 07:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Could someone give me "the credits". Thanks. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 22:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Although PK3 gave them to you, remember also that you can give credits to yourself if you need them in a hurry. WaltCip-(talk) 19:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- I did nominate this article too (in a period this nomination itself had been removed) and provided significant updates to the election article, should I too get credits? Bedivere (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I will do so shortly!-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- I did nominate this article too (in a period this nomination itself had been removed) and provided significant updates to the election article, should I too get credits? Bedivere (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Although PK3 gave them to you, remember also that you can give credits to yourself if you need them in a hurry. WaltCip-(talk) 19:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Could someone give me "the credits". Thanks. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 22:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Drakeo the Ruler
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [5], [6], [7], [8]
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable rapper fatally stabbed at Once Upon A Time music festival. Mooonswimmer (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose lots of discography (mixtapes section) is not sourced. Apart from that, looks fine to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Added citations to discography. Mooonswimmer (talk)
- Support now that it is referenced comprehensively. Kafoxe (talk) 17:12, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The Career section still has quite a few unref'd materials. Please add more refs. --PFHLai (talk)
- Comment: Added missing citations. Mooonswimmer (talk)
18:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be fully referenced and ready to go now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Carlos Marín
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Rolling Stone, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by RosameliaMartinezTorres (talk · )
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Spanish baritone and a member of the classical crossover group Il Divo, who has sold over 28 million records worldwide. COVID-19. Death announced/being covered in sources today. RosameliaMartinezTorres (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, we cannot use either of those sources (Daily Mail and Metro) as RSes. --Masem (t) 22:24, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose way too many outstanding cn tags. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Johnny Isakson
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Star Garnet (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Recent U.S. senator and major political figure. Could be significantly expanded. Star Garnet (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support - It is a bit light for who he was, but at the very least there are no longer any CN tags, and nothing else that would prevent posting to the main page from what I can see. Kafoxe (talk) 17:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support I believe that the coverage of his political career could be extended. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Doug Ericksen
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Kafoxe (talk · )
- Updated by SounderBruce (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American state senator from Washington. COVID-19. Death announced/being covered in sources today. Kafoxe (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support There is still one cn tag left, but that doesn't prevent it from being included in the Main Page. Of course, it would be better to be fixed before. Otherwise the wikibio is in good condition. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- I added a ref for that paragraph in the talk page, as the page is currently protected. Whitsunderland (talk) 01:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good article with sufficient references. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 13:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's comment: The last cn tag is resolved, thanks to the reference Whitsunderland mentioned and one other source I added. Kafoxe (talk) 16:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 19:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
December 18
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(Posted) RD: Osagi Bascome
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Active Bermuda international footballer stabbed to death at 23. Didn't have the longest career, or the most successful, but everything is sourced. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:3DEC:B91D:F988:C6C9 (talk) 19:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nom, long IP address! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Comprehensive and well referenced. KittenKlub (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough with 2508 characters (443 words) of readable prose, and with footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Richard Rogers
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · )
- Updated by BrownHairedGirl (talk · ) and Seth Whales (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Italian-British architect. Article requires some work but should be ready soon. I have filled all of the [citation needed] tags. I have not given it one end-to-end read / scrub though. If someone wants to take a look, please feel free to. Nothing too awkward that jumps out. I think this might be close to ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I don't care about the blurb, but Rogers should be in the RD-listing right away. If it wazs good enough yesterday, today too so. -DePiep (talk) 06:21, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- If it was failing BLP yesterday, it should have been deleted. Good enough yesterday, good enough today. The higher bar is only for blurbs, as this pages intro says ("... Other articles can also be linked"). Strange that MP should miss a RD name because of this. Sort of defeats ITN essence. And again: no rule for this found. -DePiep (talk) 08:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- "ITN essence", DePiep? You may have gotten ITN mixed up with Portal:Current events. RD in ITN is not the same as Deaths in 2021. --PFHLai (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I am quoting the from the lede of this very page named Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates § top we both are posting on. No need to divert. Now, the essence of the "N" part is that it is currently, eh, news. Adding a name days later misses that. Nothing to do with WP, all with the recentism of news. -DePiep (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Then please quickly fix the problems in the article. --PFHLai (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Au contraire. As you can read, I state that because it is News, and as an RD not free for us to choose timing of Mainpage appearance, add it to the RD hlist right away. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- DePiep, if you want this article or any other article on RD, please help fix that wikipage quickly so that it can be used on RD while the news is still fresh. Timeliness is not the only criterion. --PFHLai (talk) 14:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm ... sound effect. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:49, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Au contraire. As you can read, I state that because it is News, and as an RD not free for us to choose timing of Mainpage appearance, add it to the RD hlist right away. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Then please quickly fix the problems in the article. --PFHLai (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I am quoting the from the lede of this very page named Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates § top we both are posting on. No need to divert. Now, the essence of the "N" part is that it is currently, eh, news. Adding a name days later misses that. Nothing to do with WP, all with the recentism of news. -DePiep (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- "ITN essence", DePiep? You may have gotten ITN mixed up with Portal:Current events. RD in ITN is not the same as Deaths in 2021. --PFHLai (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- If it was failing BLP yesterday, it should have been deleted. Good enough yesterday, good enough today. The higher bar is only for blurbs, as this pages intro says ("... Other articles can also be linked"). Strange that MP should miss a RD name because of this. Sort of defeats ITN essence. And again: no rule for this found. -DePiep (talk) 08:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Oppose for now many cn tags have yet to be resolved. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:58, 19 December 2021 (UTC)- Oppose until citation needed tags fixed. If DePiep thinks this is ready, they clearly don't understand that everything needs to be sourced before posting, which is a clear ITN rule. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not about "understanding". I am asking where that rule is. So far, I only found #Top section here that clearly differentiates between blurb and "other articles":
Now what do you not understand? -DePiep (talk) 11:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked.
- WP:ITN#Article quality:
Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable.
Unsectioned paragraphs like in this article mean it doesn't have the article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)- Well, thanks for that link. At last, a base. Now I do sense a slight diff with the top section here I quoted. But alas, time to change something. WP should not miss another Colon Powell or Stephen Sondheim RD for days this way. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- WP did NOT miss Powell or Sondheim for days. They got onto Deaths in 2021 quite quickly. Their biographies got updated quickly. But it took days to fix them up to qualify for RD. Please help fix up the Rogers article instead of complaining here that it's not yet on RD. --PFHLai (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well, thanks for that link. At last, a base. Now I do sense a slight diff with the top section here I quoted. But alas, time to change something. WP should not miss another Colon Powell or Stephen Sondheim RD for days this way. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- WP:ITN#Article quality:
- Not about "understanding". I am asking where that rule is. So far, I only found #Top section here that clearly differentiates between blurb and "other articles":
- The wikibio currently carries about fifty {cn} tags. Such deficiency needs to be addressed before this nom can proceed. Please add more refs to this article. --PFHLai (talk) 15:50, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've never heard of this guy until now, but I've taken steps to clean the article in order to end this turmoil-y thread. Some promotional and unreferenced sections have been removed. Only the listing section needs more reference. I'm off to go to another RD project, so if someone would continue the referencing process it will be appreciated (p.s. don't use rsh-p.com as a reference since it's their website). --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support - Barely meets ITN quality standards for RD. We generally should not rely on mass pruning of articles to meet ITN posting standards, but whatever the current consensus is on that, this article now seems to be suitable for posting. Hectoring and haranguing will never get a subpar article posted any faster.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article has been greatly improved. Thriley (talk) 04:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article looks great now. Nice work. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Good work, indeed. --PFHLai (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Sayaka Kanda
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Variety, Japan Today, The Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Fram (talk · )
- Updated by 24.102.128.88 (talk · ), Skiate (talk · ) and 2600:1700:A3F2:300:84D:59D:94BE:A745 (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Singer and voice artist (e.g. voice of Anna in Japanese version of "Frozen"). Seriously popular (page had nearly 70,000 hits yesterday!). Fram (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Please be reminded that Discography and Filmography sections should be fully referenced. --PFHLai (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Rusmono
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [9]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Suharto's former personal doctor. Held important offices in the Department of Health. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. SpencerT•C 15:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Osaka building fire
Blurb: A building fire breaks out in Osaka, Japan, killing 27 people. ()
Alternative blurb: Twenty-four people die in a building fire in Osaka, Japan.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk · )
- Created by Love of Corey (talk · )
- Updated by Jim Michael (talk · ), Fulmard (talk · ) and Leaky.Solar (talk · )
Nominator's comments: Worthy a blurb when expanision comes. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is far too short at this time, three short paragraphs is not enough for the main page. If sufficiently expanded, this may be ready for the main page, bit it is not yet. --Jayron32 14:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I didn't create this. Just did some category work. Looks like it was created by Love of Corey. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- It should be updated now. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good and will be updated over time. However, the article says 24 people died not 27 per blurb. Could we mention something about it being a suspected arson in the blurb? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support, Except for the number of dead, which can be corrected, the article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 08:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Enough info on article/well cited enough to be ITN-worthy. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Reuters, Guardian put toll at 24. – Sca (talk) 13:37, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support, and also information from the Fire and Disaster Management Agency (the central government agency responsible for civil defence in Japan) also states 24 deaths. It seems that the death toll has since been corrected.廣九直通車 (talk) 13:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support because it's important enough & the article is good enough. Jim Michael (talk) 17:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not ready; article needs proper sourcing, not external links in text. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:53, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- That is a formating problem, not a sourcing problem. @Fulmard: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.215.241 (talk) 03:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks fine now, and article is definitely ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support per notability and quality of the article. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:37, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) New Prime Minister of Czech Republic
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Blurb: Petr Fiala (pictured) takes office as Prime Minister of the Czech Republic as part of a coalition government. ()
News source(s): Aljazzera, dpa, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · )
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
- Comment we've already published the formalization of the coalition... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose One rather long paragraph in the "political activism" section remains unreferenced. Fix that and this will be good to go. --Jayron32 14:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment he's not the head of state, as the President of the Czech Republic is, so surely this isn't ITNR? Joseph2302 (talk) 14:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- It's whomever has actual power, be it the president or the PM; it's not just head of state anymore. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- According to List of current heads of state and government it's the PM, not the president, so ITNR is correct. 331dot (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) The policy at WP:ITNR states, "
Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.
" The prime minister of the Czech Republic is listed as the primary executive, so THAT is the position that qualifies for ITNR. --Jayron32 14:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) The policy at WP:ITNR states, "
- In line with the nomination for Bulgarian PM, we posted the result of election in October with Fiala likely PM, so this would be a duplication. I'd only support posting twice if at the time of the election it is not sure who will head the government, and then when the government is formed. --Tone 16:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as non-ITNR Since we posted formation of the coalition with Fiala as PM,[10] this is not ITNR. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as we already posted this change of government on 10 October. No need to post it again. This would be like posting the results of the US election, and posting it again on the day the President takes office. Which makes no sense. This is a stale nom, as the election was in October. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Typhoon Rai
Blurb: At least 112 people are dead after Typhoon Rai hits the Philippines. ()
Alternative blurb: Hundreds of thousands of people flee their homes as Typhoon Rai hits the Philippines.
News source(s): Reuters, Al-Jazeera, Washington Post GMA News NDRRMC AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · )
- Created by Cyclonicationly (talk · )
- Updated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · )
Article updated
Ainty Painty (talk) 05:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wait until impact, if any, is known. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, no demonstration of an ITN-worthy impact. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wait for now it's not notable. We will talk about it when the typhoon causes, if it happens, destruction and a significant number of victims. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose not noteworthy at this stage. Nominations of this ilk should wait until the impact is well understood. Article is in very good condition. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Death toll is not more than an ordinary storm for the basin. 14:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Preceding comment posted by Hurricane Noah. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support It's not about the number of deaths, it is about climate change/global warming causing severe weather events such as in the US concurrently this late in the year and extremely-rapid change to cat-5 intensity.
- I edited the blub to include super typhoon, ect. but it still feels inadequit considering the impact in my slightlt biased opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- GSMC(Chief Mike) Kouklis U.S.NAVY Ret. ⛮🇺🇸 / 🇵🇭🌴⍨talk 18:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- We don't really cover events just because they may be tied to global warming. ITN is not good for superlatitive stories (eg this being the strongest storm since 20XX). We are looking at deaths and damage, not just that it happened during a period where these storms can happen in that area of the world. --Masem (t) 18:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- I removed the "super" as the designation is unofficial. Destroyeraa (Alternate account) 20:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- We don't really cover events just because they may be tied to global warming. ITN is not good for superlatitive stories (eg this being the strongest storm since 20XX). We are looking at deaths and damage, not just that it happened during a period where these storms can happen in that area of the world. --Masem (t) 18:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Death toll has risen to 12. I also added an altblurb with the death toll. Destroyeraa (Alternate account) 20:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Coverage on Saturday indicates a toll of 30 or more. [11] [12] [13] [14] – Sca (talk) 13:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support 31 deaths, php25 billion in damage. Not an "ordinary" storm for the Philippines anymore, as Odette/Rai will certainly be retired. Destroyeraa (Alternate account) 18:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support per Destroyeraa HurricaneEdgar 23:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support we've clearly passed the threshhold for significance. Article quality is good. May want to modify the blurb in coming days to indicate when/if the typhoon makes landfall in Vietnam. NorthernFalcon (talk) 00:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support as it is a significant weather event and article is good. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – updated blurb, Associated Press has the death toll at 112. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 11:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Post-Posting Support – This storm did a significant amount of damage in the Philippines, and the current death toll is at 376, likely to exceed 400 in the coming days. This makes it the deadliest tropical cyclone of 2021. The article is also in really good shape. This is definitely deserving of an ITN posting. LightandDark2000 🌟 (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: The latest death toll stands at 376+. The blurb should be updated. LightandDark2000 🌟 (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Log4Shell
Closed as stale. --Tone 09:19, 17 December 2021 (UTC) Re-closing as stale; it is older than our oldest post. 331dot (talk) 10:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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Blurb: Log4Shell, a zero-day exploit, is publicly disclosed, possibly affecting hundreds of millions of devices. ()
News source(s): Ars Technica, Financial Times, Wired
Credits:
- Support Reports are calling this a major cyber incident and while the fallout is presently low (compared to something like the Ukraine cyberattacks a few years back), the resolution is not well known and its clear parties are trying to exploit it. --Masem (t) 02:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- This is somewhat stale, as it was announced on 9 December, and patched three days earlier. IT folks have been running around fixing this for more than a week and a half now. Stephen 05:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as stale. This was publicly disclosed December 9. TarkusABtalk/contrib 08:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support This still seems quite live and in the news. For example, the current BBC headline is Log4shell: US demands Christmas Eve deadline for hack fix. The talk is of "waves" just like COVID and they are just starting. This is a lot more significant than the latest bus plunge or politics in Tonga.Andrew🐉(talk) 09:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose this became public on 9 December, which would have been correct time to post on ITN. The oldest blurb on the front page is from 12 December, so this meets the ITN definition of stale. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Stefan Keil
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Jamaica
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · )
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Sudden death of an ambassador, became ill in the office - article new, a start Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support article in good shape, worthy of RD. ——Serial 23:13, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 08:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well referenced, short article. KittenKlub (talk) 08:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Lucía Hiriart
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Count Iblis (talk) 12:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now her Spanish article can be used to improve the content and add the missing sources to her English page. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Most of the 'Early life and education' section is still unsourced. Please add more refs. --PFHLai (talk) 23:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Also, half of the current coverage is on "Legal accusations". Please add other things about her to her wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bogalay Tint Aung
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): BBC Burmese RFA Burmese
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Htanaungg (talk) 08:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support historically important person in Myanmar and recipient of the highest national honours and awards. Taung Tan (talk) 05:17, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- A bit short with only 1622 characters (287 words) of readable prose, but ok. There are enough footnotes at expected spots. AGF on all non-English sources. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:40, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Henry Orenstein
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [15], [16], [17]
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · )
- Created by Kicking222 (talk · )
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Recent death —Mooonswimmer (talk) 16:21, 16December 2021 (UTC)
- Lot of the citations are primary or iffy. However, the Newsweek ref could be used to reference a lot of that material. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose A lot of work needed on referencing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:10, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- There are still 8 {cn} tags in this wikiarticle. Please add more refs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 04:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Thwaites glacier has been destabilized
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Blurb: Thwaites Glacier is at risk of accelerated melting, raising global sea levels by feet within the next decades ()
News source(s): NBC, CIRES
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · )
Article needs updating
- Oppose -- although it is interesting news, this does not rise to blurb-worthy significance, particularly since this has been occurring over a long period of time. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 05:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as has been stated before, ITN is really not a good place for forecasts/predictions/scientific-based speculation on future impact of climate change. If there was some actual significant event that could be documented (we posted when the Larson ice shelf broke off in 2017 Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/July 2017) that would be news, but even if it is well-backed by science, hand-waving claims like this are not good ITN stories. --Masem (t) 05:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nomination, but this is not the right place for speculation. If it happens and if there's a big impact of it, then that would be ITN-worthy. But we don't post scientific predictions/speculation here. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:12, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per previous votes. Not seen in main RS news Thursday. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose DYK. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Fayez Tarawneh
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/jordan/2021/12/15/former-jordanian-pm-fayez-tarawneh-dead-at-72/
Credits:
- Updated by KittenKlub (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Does RD have the stomach for another short (300 words) wikibio? Anyone familiar with Middle Eastern politics are encouraged to help beef up this wikibio for a former PM of Jordan. --PFHLai (talk) 01:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC) I thought I should add that I think this wikibio is long enough for RD purposes. I was just hoping for more to read about this former PM. --PFHLai (talk) 05:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 08:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support Sadly, no Middle East experts have led a hand, and you need Arabic sources for the finer details. Short, well referenced article. KittenKlub (talk) 08:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Article essentially a resume in prose format. SpencerT•C 15:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: bell hooks
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Lexington Herald-Leader, The Guardian, USA Today, NPR, NBC News, NYT, Wall St. Journal, BBC News, AlJazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Tom Morris (talk · )
- Created by AntonioMartin (talk · )
- Updated by LorenzFuchs (talk · ), AleatoryPonderings (talk · ), Innisfree987 (talk · ) and SusanLesch (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Just died - prominent American academic and activist —Tom Morris (talk) 18:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article has a few more citations needed. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support: came here to see if she was up on RD yet. Immediate international coverage (Guardian, BBC, ABC, won't list them all), hugely influential figure. Article is plenty good enough (despite the tags). — Bilorv (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support: Important and influential thinker. Article looks fine, some of the citations could do with formatting improvements. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support- A major figure in Black feminism. -TenorTwelve (talk) 23:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support - Right up there with Angela Davis and Octavia Butler. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Even if all of the stars in the universe strongly supported, this won't be posted with two orange tags. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support as notability is unquestioned; issues with OR do need to be resolved, it appears those are being worked on. Once that situation is cleared this should be posted. Radagast (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support on quality, as major issues appear to have been addressed. Obviously a hugely important figure, but per the instructions above that's not the focus here. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 01:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment There a still a couple of cn tags to be dealt with. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - There are few issues that needs to be addressed before posting. The article has, as far as can see, two cn tags and one bsn tag. People here seems to forget that RDs are posted based on article quality only.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 02:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 02:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) New prime minister of Tonga
Blurb: Siaosi Sovaleni is elected Prime Minister of Tonga by the legislature. ()
News source(s): SCMP, Matangi Tonga
Credits:
- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · )
- Updated by IdiotSavant (talk · )
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The general election was last month. Joofjoof (talk) 11:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Both article are in good shape and well referenced. KittenKlub (talk) 11:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seems sufficient. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:02, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. Although I wouldn't link the election article if it wasn't to mention in the blurb something along the lines of "after winning the election". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support with just Siaosi Sovaleni article bolded. That article is just about long enough for front page (would be good to add any more information about him if more info exists). Bolding the 2021 Tongan general election implies that that election caused him to take office, which isn't the case, as he was elected by the Legislative Assembly of Tonga afterwards. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:27, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Aren't prime ministerial/premiership elections indirect elections? How was the new German chancellor phrased (w/o the Merkel part)? Howard the Duck (talk) 18:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Tonga has a formal process for electing its PM, with a parliamentary vote after each election or whenever the office is vacant. Its not a Westminster system, parties are weak (and not even legally recognised in the election process), and the structure of the Legislative Assembly (17 PRs, 9 nobles) makes the process highly uncertain.--IdiotSavant (talk) 23:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Aren't prime ministerial/premiership elections indirect elections? How was the new German chancellor phrased (w/o the Merkel part)? Howard the Duck (talk) 18:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me. NW1223(Howl at me/My hunts) 16:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment this is technically ITN/R due to the wording of the instructions but not in keeping with the spirit of it. The 2021 Tongan general election was the thing to post, the legislature carrying out the formal act of "electing" Sovaleni was a foregone conclusion. We didn't post or even nominate that election, but this feels like a loophole. The election should stay in the blurb, should be bold, and should be held to a high quality standard as the election was the trigger for the change. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- LaserLegs In this case, it wasn't a foregone conclusion, because most of the deputies are independent. Even the two candidates for prime minister (Sovaleni and Eke) are not affiliated to any party.KittenKlub (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- This article covers the coalition building in detail. Joofjoof (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Most of those "independents" all rage quit the Democratic Party of the Friendly Islands it was essentially a third party calling itself "independent" of which Sovaleni is the leader. Come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think this article might show how uncertain it was (I was actually surprised that the nobles didn't do their usual and unite behind the minority candidate). As for most of the independents being former PTOA, that's due to the history of their extremely recent democracy, and its worth noting that most were elected against PTOA (and PTOA factional) candidates.--IdiotSavant (talk) 23:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Since we didn't post the election, and since there was no "major party" win, it seems unusual enough to stand on it's own as an ITN nom but it still feels like a loophole ITNR. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Most of those "independents" all rage quit the Democratic Party of the Friendly Islands it was essentially a third party calling itself "independent" of which Sovaleni is the leader. Come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- This article covers the coalition building in detail. Joofjoof (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Due respect, but I don't see this as a technicality at all. The language is "Changes in the holder of the office...except when that change was already posted as part of a general election." Even if we had posted the election, we could not have posted the change in the holder of the office. This specific issue was adjudicated previously. Because coalition governments are usually headed by the election winner, we don't need to post twice (see Ireland in 2020). But if a different person emerges, it's very much noteworthy. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- LaserLegs In this case, it wasn't a foregone conclusion, because most of the deputies are independent. Even the two candidates for prime minister (Sovaleni and Eke) are not affiliated to any party.KittenKlub (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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