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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not change the target of the redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for both potential closers and participants.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first or that it has become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
I. | Tag the redirect.
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II. | List the entry on RfD.
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III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Current list
June 11
n-C Hydrocarbon Redirects
- CCCCCCCC → Octane (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- CCCCCCC → Heptane (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- CCCCCC → Hexane (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete as an implausible redirect that is humorous but not useful to people who know chemistry and bewildering to everyone else TartarTorte 01:02, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
HTC Prague Open
- HTC Prague Open → WTA Prague Open (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete the page. This is a 1992 tournament redirected to another that started officially in 2010, as per its official website. There's no connection. Also no page history. Opencross (talk) 00:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
June 10
AN/PVS-8
Deletion of this redirect (PVS-8 to PVS-4) as well as the PVS-20 to PVS-4 redirect. The redirects were made 10 years ago and the AN/PVS-4 page mentioned that the PVS-8 is "a large-objective-lens version of the PVS-4", mainly because they use the same image intensifier tube. Which is kinda like saying two computers are related because they have the same CPU. I already removed those claims from the PVS-4's page since they just don't make any sense. Overall, the redirect is just wrong and misinforms the reader. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 23:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Tropical Depression One
- Draft:Tropical Depression One → Tropical Storm Alex (2022) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is an ambiguous redirect with no valid target since this is a generic name reused every year. No significant page history, so a deletion would be best option. Drdpw (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Probably so. I did intend it to be deleted. Mobius Gerig (talk) 22:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
GreatAgain
- GreatAgain → Presidential transition of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I suggest this should be deleted, alongside Great Again as the redirects are unhelpful and vague. —QueenofBithynia (talk) 20:31, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think there's some merit to those redirects. Even though "make america great again" is so overused and could refer to a number of different things, "greatagain" and "great again" do kinda make sense.
- GreatAgain as one word can refer to that webpage. I'd suggest redirecting to the "Beginning of transition process" section as the website actually is mentioned there.
- Great Again as two words kinda is related to the Crippled America page because at the top, it mentions that the book was republished as paperback and titled "Great Again: How to Fix Our Crippled America". Whether anyone actually refers to his book as just "Great Again", I dunno.Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 00:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Mixed 4 x 100 metres Universal Relay
- Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Mixed 4 x 100 metres Universal Relay → Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This event has been removed from the Birmingham 2022 programme, as confirmed by the CGF on page two of the 22 April 2022 Sport Update:
This change has been reflected in the B2022 day-by-day schedule (https://www.birmingham2022.com/schedule/day-by-day - Athletics, 7 Aug, 18:30-21:30). The linked PDF and Word documents with the event still listed are out-of-date. Edvid (talk) 18:28, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Sorry for not nominating this one after the deprod. I was looking at an old event schedule. The updated one, as you have correctly pointed out, does not have this event anymore. TartarTorte 00:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Men's 20 kilometres walk
- Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Men's 20 kilometres walk → Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:PROD'd by Edvid with the rationale that the event is not happening, which is true; however, redirects cannot be deleted via PROD, so I am proposing this for deletion. TartarTorte 17:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
List of Minor Ravenclaw Characters
- List of Minor Ravenclaw Characters → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of Minor Gryffindor Characters → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of Minor Hufflepuff Characters → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of Minor Gryffindor characters → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of Minor Ravenclaw characters → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Don't make sense as redirects. The target is not a list of minor characters but is instead a list of characters who were memers of Dumbledore's Army. The content is now split over several pages (some here, some at List of Harry Potter characters some at List of supporting Harry Potter characters etc) so they don't have a good single target. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as no suitable target. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Looking at the edit histories of all these broken redirects....they're basically bot conversations between themselves. None have had human edits since ~2007. All those changes to the redirects were done by bots.
- That said, couple things:
- --Minor hufflepuff/slytherin/etc. characters, "gryffindor chasers", definitely delete those redirects.
- --Dai Llewllyn: misspelling of Dai Llewellyn (like you said) but even as a character in HP, no connection to Dumbledore's Army
- --The one exception is Michael Corner redirect. He is a member of Dumbledore's Army. But the redirect is based on a misspelling of his name "micheal". Michael Corner (spelled correctly) does redirect to the Dumbledore's Army page but it goes to the members list so it's useful. Seeing as how micheal a nonsensical misspelling, agree to delete that redirect too.Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 00:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Minor Harry Potter characters in Hufflepuff
- Minor Harry Potter characters in Hufflepuff → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
In adition to the reasons in the nomination below, this redirect has a rather strange sentence structure. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Minor Huffelpuffs
- Minor Huffelpuffs → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Minor Hufflepuffs → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Minor Gryffindors → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Minor Ravenclaws → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target article is not a list of minor characters from house X, it contains a list of notable characters that were in Dumbledore's Army. No good target for these because the information is split over several pages. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:34, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as no suitable target. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:51, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
The Gryffindor Chasers
- The Gryffindor Chasers → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Quiddich redirect that ended up pointing to a nonsense target following a series of mergers and deletions. There is an unsourced stub in the page history, but it wouldn't survive an AFD. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Dai Llewllyn
- Dai Llewllyn → Dumbledore's Army#Dai_Llewellyn (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else on en wiki. Might be a plausible typo redirect for Dai Llewellyn? 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Micheal Corner
- Micheal Corner → Dumbledore's Army#Michael_Corner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article. No search results on en wiki. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Miss S. Fawcett
- Miss S. Fawcett → Dumbledore's Army#S._Fawcett (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else. Only search results are author names in citations. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:10, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Students in Harry Potter's year
- Students in Harry Potter's year → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Students in Harry Potter's Year → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target article isn't about students in Harry Potter's year. Many of the entries on the list do not fit this description. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
C. Warrington
- C. Warrington → Dumbledore's Army#C._Warrington (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else. Partial title match for Alfred C. Warrington bot I don't think middle initial + surname is a plausible seach string. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Urquhart (Harry Potter character)
- Urquhart (Harry Potter character) → Dumbledore's Army#Urquhart (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article, does not seem to be mentioned anywhere else. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:53, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Gryffindors in Harry's year
- Gryffindors in Harry's year → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gryffindors in Harry's Year → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gryffindors in Harry Potter's Year → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gryffindors in Harry Potter's year → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target article is is not the synonymous with these redirects, the target is not a list of Gryffindors and many of the entries are not in the same year as Harry Potter. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, least they were thorough in covering the possible capitalizations a reader might try. These should be deleted. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 00:08, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Conservative Resident
- Conservative Resident → Conservative Party (UK) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, doesn't appear to be a formal term based on internet and Google Scholar searches, as results are just about residents who are conservative in various contexts. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- The links suggest this was a local branding used by Conservative council candidates in Croydon in the era when you could use whatever variation you felt like, possibly with some eye to the various Residents' parties that used to be more prevalent though whether this was a local merger or just a more voter friendly branding I'm not sure. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Minor Slytherin characters
- Minor Slytherin characters → Dumbledore's Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Doesn't make any sense as a redirect - there were no Slytherins in Dumbledore's Army and the target article doesn't include any Slytherin characters. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. This one makes no sense.Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 23:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- The rest of the noms above I have to look at more closely, but this one easily makes no sense. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Java Edition
- Java Edition → Minecraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Java edition → Java (software platform)#Platform (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A few searches doesn't suggest to me that there is a significant differance in meaning between these two capitalisations, so I think they should be syncronised to point at the same place. From a few searches the overwhelming primary topic here seems to be minecraft. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Purely transcendental extension
- Purely transcendental extension → Field extension#purely transcendental (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Purely transcendental → Transcendence degree (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These should redirect to the same article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:46, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- (Yes, this is definitely problematic.) I would say both should redirect to transcendence degree, though, ideally, there should be a standalone article on transcendental extension. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TakuyaMurata (talk • contribs) 13:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect both to Field extension#purely transcendental. Both redirects refer to purely transcental extensions, which are a special type of transcendental extensions. Presently, Transcendental extension is a redirect to Field extension#Transcendental extension, and this section contains an anchor "purely transcendental". The target Transcendence degree must be avoided per WP:LEAST, since the transcendence degree is another subtopic of Transcendental extension that is otherwise not really related to purely transcendental extensions. So, both targets must be either Field extension#Transcendental extension or Field extension#purely transcendental, which link both to the same section. The redirect to the anchor must be preferred as more specific (WP:LEAST again).
As this seems very clear,I'll bodlyretarget Purely transcendental to Field extension#Transcendental extension (schrinked because this must be done by the closing editor). If 1234qwer1234qwer4 agrees, this discussion can be speedily closed per WP:SNOWBALL. D.Lazard (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
June 9
Real vampires
- Real vampires → Vampire (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vampires aren't real, but in any case Vampire (disambiguation) does not disambiguate the term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vampire lifestyle. SpinningSpark 22:05, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As overly vague. Just because someone is living in a manner similar to a vampire does not mean they are a "real" vampire - the closest to that is animals like vampire bats. Overall there is no obvious target for it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. When I saw "real vampires" the first thing that came to my mind would be (real) people that were believed to be vampires, like Elizabeth Báthory or Vlad the Impaler. This is sort of discussed at Vampire. Some other plausible if unlikely things someone searching this might be looking for, eg Vampire lifestyle and various vampire animals are also at the current target. Other potential articles someone might be looking for are Clinical vampirism (certainly "real"), or even Blood as food or Hematophagy. Perhaps those last three should be added to the see also section of Vampire (disambiguation)? A7V2 (talk) 12:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:57, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Keep- I agree with CycloneYoris. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)- @CoffeeWithMarkets: @CycloneYoris relisted this discussion, but it doesnt appear that he !-voted in this discussion. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Zxcvbnm's points, overly vague. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vampire lifestyle to which Vampire subculture, Vampire community and Blood fetishism also redirect. This is as "real" as we can get! Jay (talk) 12:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The only target that would make sense to me would be a List of historical vampires that I cannot find (List of vampires is entirely fictional). Vampire lifestyle is tempting, but I don't think "real vampire" is quite a fit there—these are people cosplaying as vampires, etc. -- Tavix (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more relist for a firmer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 20:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - With more thought, there's a vagueness here that makes none of the proposed articles seem quite right as a place to go to. Deletion seems to be the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:28, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Dendrobaena veneta
- Dendrobaena veneta → Dendrobaena hortensis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not fully synonymous. --Artoria2e5 🌉 03:43, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- We could also re-structure the article to cover an entire species complex, reflecting the messy current use of the worm. --Artoria2e5 🌉 04:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The species is mentioned several times at target article, and is also deemed as similar to the one featured there. No need for deletion. Re-structuring the target also seems like a viable option. CycloneYoris talk! 06:27, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 08:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
@Artoria2e5:. Dendrobaena veneta has priority over D. hortensis. If there is a species complex, it should be at D. veneta, right? Am I missing something? It's not a matter of restructuring the D. hortensis article, D. veneta needs an article of its own. Plantdrew (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Plantdrew: Well… yes. The move was initially done because I saw a page under the "D. veneta" name near-exclusively using the "E. hortensis" name in the text. —Artoria2e5 🌉 14:57, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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≬
Another pointless Wiktionary symbol redirect. The wiktionary target here is useless, consisting of a single word (the unicode character name) with no attempt at explaining what this symbol actually means or when it is used. This also fails the conditions for soft redirection laid out at WP:SSRT, this is neither a commonly wikified words or a page that has been repeatedly recreated. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. All single unicode characters should be blue links, and Neel.arunabh has expanded the target at Wiktionary so that it gives an explanation of the meaning and how it is used. The WP:SOFTSP guideline is not a set of requirements that every soft redirect must meet, but a guideline that lists the most common situations where one is appropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, it serves no purpose. Zaathras (talk) 13:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I also think a WP:REDLINK-type deletion would be beneficial because I'm surprised that I can't find a good article for this to target. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
Results from sister projects
with a link to the Wiktionary page. It's one click from the search page and it's one click via a soft redirect. There's no difference. Also, if your research fails to find anything worthwhile, then it's not going to be a plausible search term and would thus fail the criteria for soft redirects to Wiktionary. -- Tavix (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)- Firstly every individual unicode character with a defined meaning is a plausible search term, this is widely established (otherwise we would routinely link them in the tables of unicode characters or routinely keep them here. Secondly, there is no exaggeration - search results are not guaranteed to contain links to Wiktionary, nor are they always immediately presented to a searcher (what they see depends what device they are using, how they are navigating and whether they can start new articles; for example someone following a redlink on desktop will be invited to search and/or create an article first and have to choose to look at search results), so even if someone does see the sister projects box, and does immediately recognise that it's the only useful thing they will see from the internal search results, then it's not always just a single click away. Thirdly, I didn't say that my research found anything worthwhile - the internal search engine found nothing relevant, external search engines found content suitable for Wiktionary but not for Wikipedia.
- Finally, not a single benefit of deletion over a soft redirect has been established - even if the Wiktionary article were always one click away after deletion (which it wouldn't be) then it would still offer no advantages over the soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I fail to see what is accomplished by deleting this. WP:R#D10 doesn't apply here since nobody would create an article at the Unicode character, and the target does provide significant information on this character. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment - Should all single Unicode characters have an extant page where there is a single reasonable target? That is a good question which cannot be litigated here where through discussions on individual items. Perhaps a wider community discussion on the matter might be a good idea. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Consensus here has long been that individual unicode characters (outside the private use area) are plausible search terms - every time the evidence of page views etc is presented it's clear that people do look up these characters on Wikipedia (and frankly why wouldn't they?). There is no disagreement that when there is a single reasonable target the characters should redirect to that. The disagreement here is over whether there is a reasonable target or not. The other type of disagreement about single characters are over (1) which of multiple reasonable targets is best; and (2) whether a red link/search results are better than (one or more) target(s) that are alright but not great. Thryduulf (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Do not close prematurely. The example currently used in Wiktionary does not make any sense and is not attested anywhere; likely just a (misguided) attempt to apply the name "between" literally. See wikt:Wiktionary:Tea room/2022/May#≬. Right now, it seems that we are redirecting to a page that consists of nothing but the Unicode character name and unverifiable, likely factual errors; I'm not comfortable having the discussion end before a conclusion on what the symbol actually means (if it does mean anything standard). eviolite (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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🐱🚀
- 🐱🚀 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱🐉 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱🏍 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱💻 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱👓 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱👤 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I stumbled upon this confusing set of redirects today for some reason, and I fail to understand why these emojis were placed together or if they have anything in common (i.e. What does a cat have in common with a rocket?). I then searched the target for clues, but it doesn't seem to provide any information on why these redirects were created. Deletion seems to be the only way to go here, unless someone finds a better target than the current one, which needless to say is completely unhelpful. CycloneYoris talk! 23:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. You might not have an updated browser if you can't see these correctly. There is zero reason to delete valid emojis. These emojis were created by Microsoft and had notable coverage. See [1], [2], etc. Gonnym (talk) 01:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: My browser is certainly updated, and all I can see are two separate emojis: A cat and another random object. Maybe these don't work if you're on iOS? CycloneYoris talk! 01:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to say we should retarget the astro cat emoji to Félicette, but that probably wouldn't be helpful. All of these are examples of emoji ZWJ sequences, but that's (obviously) a redlink. They're Windows-only emoji and were introduced in Windows 10 version 1607, which might be the best target for now. That article mentions emoji updates, but not these specifically. - Eureka Lott 02:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think that Emoji#Joining might be an appropriate retarget as it's close to Emoji ZWJ sequences. TartarTorte 19:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: @CycloneYoris: this RfD and this discussion may be relevant. Veverve (talk) 10:33, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here's why I made these redirects: It may not look it, but these are actually valid emojis. On your screen, they may look like two random emojis, but on some platforms, they're actually a single emoji combined together by a Zero Width Joiner. Take this: 👁️🗨️. It may look like one Emoji, but it's actually a merger of these two emoji with a ZWJ in between: 👁🗨. Pacingpal (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also 🕵️ which redirects to Detective for some reason, this was at RfD before. Naleksuh (talk) 01:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Emoji#Joining: Per Eureka Lott suggestion of Emoji ZWJ sequences and that these are in fact ZWJ'd emoji, it makes sense to retarget to Emoji#joinining unless someone were to create the red-linked article, in which case I would advocate a retarget to there. TartarTorte 19:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retargeting an emoji to Emoji is only marginally more useful than redirecting a single letter to Letter (alphabet). A subtopic like Emoji#Joining is a different matter. --BDD (talk) 01:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to Emoji#Joining where I have added the necessary information on Ninja Cat. -- Tavix (talk) 20:15, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
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The World’s 10 Worst Dictators (PARADE magazine)
- The World’s 10 Worst Dictators (PARADE magazine) → Parade (magazine) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The content in the page history is mostly just a duplicate of the lists from the magazines, which is a copyvio that cannot be restored. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete to get rid of the copyvio in the page history. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 06:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Women's 20 kilometres walk
- Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Women's 20 kilometres walk → Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:PROD'd by Edvid as the event will not take place at the events; however, as redirects are not eligible for PROD, I figured it made sense to take this to RfD. As the event is not taking places, as stated by Edvid and confirmed by further research, then it makes complete sense to delete what is a not helpful redirect. TartarTorte 19:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Britain’s worst terrorist atrocity
- Britain’s worst terrorist atrocity → Pan Am Flight 103 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Highly ambiguous, this phrase does not appear to have any particular affinity for this specific incident of terrorism. A few searches show this phrase being used in reliable sources to refer to a variety of different events. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for ambiguity. No DAB would ever make anyone happy. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:14, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, ambiguous, subjective, inherently unverifiable. Carguychris (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Editing a protected page
- Editing a protected page → Wikipedia:Requests for page protection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't think this is a very useful cross namespace redirect. In 99+% of cases requests for edits to a protected page should be made at the talk page, not WP:RFPP/E. This redirect is also ambiguous, it used to target WP:Protection policy, and I think it could also reasonably target WP:Edit requests. Finally there's already an established process for requesting edits to pages, if you click the "edit" or "view source" button a button will be shown that will take you through the process of submitting an edit request. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:14, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete XNR that explicitly points to the wrong venue. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:13, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strong delete this has nothing to do with editing protected memory pages (which is not a wiki topic, but is a computing topic) -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 03:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
No return
- No return → List of xxxHolic episodes#xxxHolic: Kei (2008) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Very specific target for a title like this. Point of no return seems a lot more likely. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:59, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Ning'an Railway
- Ning'an Railway → Nanjing–Anqing intercity railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
capitalized ZandDev (msg) 11:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep – WP:CHEAP. Redirects like this are generally accepted by the community; tag it with Template:R from other capitalisation if you like. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:40, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Thriller (Michael Jackson album
- Thriller (Michael Jackson album → Thriller (album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete; no need for redirects for titles where someone forgot a single character. Would have R3'd but for some reason that's only for recently created redirects. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The recently created clause is a good one. Anyway Delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This appears to be useless. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Astronomical event
- Astronomical event → Time-domain astronomy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
As with the verdict for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celestial event, this phrase is too nebulous (snark) to be of any worth. Its current redirect target has a different, more precise meaning. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The term Astronomical event could include things like moonrise, apogee, planetary conjunction. I was thinking Astronomical event could be a redirect to astronomical calendar, but that itself is a redirect. Perhaps it could redirect to Almanac or Astronomical Almanac (even that last is not generic). (And don't redirect to Nebula!) It could even refer to a Star party. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As noted by Mu301 (talk · contribs) at, Category:Astronomical events also includes events that are outside of this subfield, such as Hypernova. He recommends deleting Transient astronomical event for the same reason. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The term is vague and sources uses it in a variety of ways. There is no coherent and consistent way to define it. I would also suggest a discussion on deleting Transient astronomical event which is really being used in the sense of "Transient astrophysical phenomena" which is at least well defined.[4] --mikeu talk 19:17, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phenomenon#Science. Praemonitus (talk) 01:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Gilman Hot Springs, ca
- Gilman Hot Springs, ca → Riverside County, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The re-direct Gilman Hot Springs exists and quite rightly points to Gold Base. This redirect points to a wikilink in Riverside County, California which then links to Gold Base. I'd just re-point it but the duplication of 'Gilman Hot Springs' in the search bar is confusing for readers, there's no other Gilman Hot Springs to disambiguate from and the lowercase abbreviation of 'ca' is odd. Zindor (talk) 04:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Seems unnecessary. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 14:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to Gold Base. There is also Gilman Hot Springs, California which targets the same section as Gilman Hot Springs. So probably not very useful, considering the forms with proper abbreviation ("CA" or "Cal." or "Ca.") don't exist, but also likely harmless and could be retargeted. But I agree the potential for cluttering of search results that can lead to confusion weighs slightly toward deletion. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Jewish community
- Jewish community → Judaism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Is Jewish diaspora a better target? - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Neither is ideal, but of the two, Judaism is likely better. I believe "Jewish community" generally refers to the community of Jews in a specific place/time/context; Jewish diaspora has a specific and distinct meaning. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 05:11, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Jews per RC below – more connected to the concept of Jewish community than Judaism or Jewish Diaspora. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 16:46, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Jews, I think this is the most suitable target as "Jewish community" applies to it accurately. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 05:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't think there is an article on wikipedia that accurately encapsulates the concept "Jewish community". Jewish diaspora I would argue is not appropriate as it excludes Jews not in the diaspora. I also don't think that the articles Jews or Judaism are the same topic. Delete per WP:REDYES and lack of appropriate target. TartarTorte 15:21, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. We have articles on Shtetl and Kibbutz and other types of Jewish communities, but nothing that even attempts to provide an overview of Jewish neighbourhoods, Jewish towns, etc. in general. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 21:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Jews – that is our article about the topic people mean when they say "the Jewish community". Compare Black community (redirects to Black people) and LGBT people (redirects to LGBT community). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
TEN10
- TEN10 → TEN (TV station) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
T10 cricket is also known as Ten10; this would appear to be the more likely target. 162 etc. (talk) 00:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, there is also Ten10 (album). (Ten10 currently redirects to T10 cricket). —Kusma (talk) 09:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate to the 3 topics shown above -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 14:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
June 8
Indian (Asian)
- Indian (Asian) → Indian people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't see how the disambiguator "asian" could unambiguously refer to Indian people? I think this should be retargeted to point at the dab page at Indian, which was where this redirect used to point. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- As opposed to American Indians. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 20:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- You've misunderstood the point I was making - (Asian) doesn't nessasarily refer to people, it could also refer to Indian Languages or a number of other things listed on the DAB page. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 10:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)- Keep per 49..54. It complements Indian (Americas) Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Additionally, the British Isles may use "Asian" to refer to Indians. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Advancer
Given the numerous senses of Advance on that disambiguation page, I doubt that "Antler" is the primary meaning of the word "Advancer". BD2412 T 22:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
A Delicate Balance (play))
- A Delicate Balance (play)) → A Delicate Balance (play) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL disambiguation error, doubled closing parentheses. The article was at this title for 6 minutes in 2008. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, pageviews suggest possible damage if deleted. J947 † edits 22:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- The redirect has received no page views at all since December. In the seven years prior to that the redirect received a smidge over 200 page views, 40% of which occurred over two months in 2021, which looks a lot to me like someone accidentally linked to this redirect. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. The multiple parens error is not a likely or useful search term. BD2412 T 22:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete due to malformed modifier --Lenticel (talk) 00:38, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Antrim North (Dail Eireann constituency)
- Antrim North (Dail Eireann constituency) → North Antrim (UK Parliament constituency) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not sure why the bot created this. If it was a person, I'd have guessed a political motivation. Maybe an unaccented title redirect creation that got out of hand? There is no such constituency and the title implies some sort of unified Ireland that doesn't currently exist. Whether it is considered harmful might depend on your standpoint on Irish issues, but it doesn't seem like a very likely search term or plausible typo. Lithopsian (talk) 14:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Lithopsian Eubot was well known for creating incorrect redirects, we've deleted thousands of them at this point. Old bot errors can't be deleted under criteria R3 like the IP tried to do this morning but they can be G6'd as a {{db-error}}. I just tagged See article text from the same bot for deletion this morning, which was targeting a species of dinosaur. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete seems to be a malformed bot created redirect --Lenticel (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Keep: This constituency existed during the first First Dáil so it is not incorrect to refer to such as a Dáil constituency. Information about this should be added to the target article. TartarTorte 13:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Members of the 1st Dáil, which mentions the constituency? Lithopsian (talk) 16:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Members of the 1st Dáil: Per my justification above in that Antrim North was a Dáil Éireann in the fist Dáil and Lithopsian's retarget suggestion. TartarTorte 12:46, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Season 2 - San Juan, Puerto Rico
- Season 2 - San Juan, Puerto Rico → Are You the One?#Season 2 – San Juan, Puerto Rico (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This isn't a plausible search term, as it doesn't even indicate the show that "Season 2" is referring to. Correct target now would be Are You the One? (season 2) WikiVirusC(talk) 15:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Dansou
During the last RFD in 2020, content about this Japanese term was added to the target (which discusses a related but non-synonymous phenomenon). Consensus was established that the Japanese term is WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT over Alois Dansou. However the added content was removed in 2021 as the sole source cited in support was WP:SPS. Also there's now another article about a person with this surname (Marc Dansou). Either better sources should be identified to add this topic to the target (or a different target where it would fit better), or this should be turned into a disambiguation page or WP:SETINDEX. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 09:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging participants in the last RFD: @Rosguill, AngusWOOF, CycloneYoris, and Tavix. (I was the IP participant 59.149.124.29 in that discussion). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 09:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup
- 2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup – Women's tournament → 2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup – Men's tournament → 2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup qualification → 2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention in the target page. Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning keep. Target page needs improvement, but it does mention that there were separate men's and women's tournaments, and it is intuitive that there would be some means of qualification. BD2412 T 22:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep 1&2 - Neutral on 3, its not mentioned at the target - will let others decide. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- comment the only links to these pages are on {{FIBA Europe 3x3 Championships}}, so from navigation perspective it'd be better if they are red links. Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:06, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Dodge Avenger Concept
- Dodge Avenger Concept → Dodge Avenger (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of the concept on the article only the production models are mentioned Qwv (talk) 13:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Anti-Colonialism
- Anti-Colonialism → Anti-imperialism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should this redirect to our Decolonization article, as anticolonial movements currently does? QueenofBithynia (talk) 08:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom, seems like a better target. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 13:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget - It's more fitting than the current redirect. --BirdCities (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Stress relieving
- Stress relieving → Annealing (materials science) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
From reading the annealing page it seems that annealing != stress relief but annealing can relieve stress.. "The amount of process-initiating Gibbs free energy in a deformed metal is also reduced by the annealing process. In practice and industry, this reduction of Gibbs free energy is termed stress relief.". The heat treating page includes a dedicated stress relief section.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_treating#Stress_relieving Wallby (talk) 07:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - The concept of getting relief from some stressor is an extremely broad one. Seems like no specific article currently exists that would be right to go to. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Stress relief could mean what it does with regard to metal, but also (only increasingly) with human stress. I say let search do its work. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and per WP:ASTONISH --Lenticel (talk) 07:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Stress relief (disambiguation), which I have just created for the purpose of retargeting this term there. BD2412 T 05:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Coastal waters
- Coastal waters → Territorial waters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
marine coastal ecosystems is a better option for this redirect (under 'overview' in para 2 it talks about coastal seas). Territorial waters is not appropriate as they can stretch out dozens kilometers away from the shore into the pelagic. EMsmile (talk) 08:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Coast. I think marine coastal ecosystems is a bit too specific for this rather general redirect, there are all sorts of other properties of coastal waters that are not related to either it's ecology or the country that owns it. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Coast is entirely about land, so I don't agree with that as a target. MB 22:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think Coast would be my second choice as a redirect. It could work. I don't think that "coast is entirely about land". See the lead of coast which says "as the area where land meets the ocean, or as a line that forms the boundary between the land and the ocean or a lake". Therefore, coastal waters is the water close to the coast, right? Another option could be Continental shelf. But marine coastal ecosystems would work quite fine, I think. EMsmile (talk) 23:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I agree Marine coastal ecosystem may be a bit too specific. I can't seem to identify a clearly good target. Options include Littoral zone and Continental shelf. Littoral zone is probably more on point, but the Continental shelf article is a little broader in content. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The biggest problem here is that there is no clear meaning of the term. See this. The best solution would be for someone to write a short article explaining this, a WP:BCA. MB 15:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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Create wikipage
- Create wikipage → Help:Your first article (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
“Wikipage" is an obscure word. Newer people may use terms like page or (correctly) article, but probably not wikipage. Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 19:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Wikipage is the general name for a page on a wiki, I see people at the teahouse quite often asking for help with "writing their wikipage". This is exactly the kind of term where a cross namespace redirect is helpful, the people who are searching for this are probably too new to know that different namespaces exist. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep 192..78 makes a good point. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the above. CycloneYoris talk! 19:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Wikipedia is far from the only wiki and this is not a prominent enough phrase to warrant an WP:XNR. Interestingly, Wikipage is red. -- Tavix (talk) 23:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep Normally I don't consider IP addresses in discussions but the 192 IP has a good keep argument Qwv (talk) 13:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wiki and add a
{{selfref}}
hatnote to handle it for the HELP page -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 14:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)- I don't think that someone searching specifically for "Create wikipage" is likely to be looking for general information on wikis, I think it far more likely they are looking for information on how to create a page. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
The Coalition
- The Coalition → Coalition (Australia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This no longer appears to be the likely WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT given the change of government in Australia. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Keep- They are commonly known as "The Coalition" even when not in government. Note they were not in government when this redirect was created. A7V2 (talk) 01:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)- Switching to weak disambiguate. On consideration, I think it's quite possible the Australian political grouping is not the primary topic, but I'm not convinced the recent election made any difference in this regard. Second preference still keep. Strongly oppose deletion as that would leave The Coalition (company) with a weird disambiguated name with nothing at the base name. I also don't think retargeting to Coalition (disambiguation) is suitable since some of the examples pointed out as being referred to as "The Coalition" are not mentioned there. Of course Coalition (disambiguation) should be on the new DAB page. A7V2 (talk) 01:03, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. In Australian politics, the Coalition says in coalition even while in opposition.
- At the next election the media will continue to talk about the Coalition as the main non-Labor political grouping.
- This will remain true even if Labor don't reach a majority and have to rely on the Greens or independents for confidence and supply. (i.e. the presence of a governmental coalition won't change who are refereed to as "The Coalition") Micmicm (talk) 01:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- While I do agree that The Coalition will remain the dominant topic in Australia, I don't know if it can be immediately assumed that it's the global primary topic. Several other topics at Coalition (disambiguation) can be referred to as "The Coalition", such as various other (albeit defunct) coalitions in other governmental bodies in addition to The Coalition (company). Just something to think about; my personal opinion is that the current hatnote system is probably fine as none of the other specific topics get nearly as many page views as Coalition (Australia). eviolite (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate as nom. To echo Eviolite, this title is far too ambiguous; though it may be the first thing that comes to mind for Australians, this can't be said to extend to the rest of the world. In the UK, for instance, "The Coalition" is commonly understood to mean the former Cameron–Clegg coalition. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- DABify as per above; or delete as extremely ambiguous. Veverve (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - This will mean, as stated above, radically different things to different people inside of the Anglopshere as a whole. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Divert to Coalition (disambiguation) to broaden the range of topics. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:03, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2022 (UTC)- Divert to "coalition" as above - many countries have had coalition governments and redirecting "the coalition" to the Australian one makes little sense. Stan traynor (talk) 18:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Shell Cottage
- Shell Cottage → Places in Harry Potter#Shell Cottage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
ambiguous, there are a load of real places called "shell cottage" too, see for example Carton House#Shell Cottage or Cullenstown. I don't think a set index would really work well here as a lot of the mentions are in other articles, so I am proposing deletion to reveal the search results. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 22:29, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate WP:DAB: potential article title is ambiguous, most often because it refers to more than one subject covered by Wikipedia, either as the main topic of an article, or as a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic -- this would be a subtopic disambiguation page -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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Griphindor
- Griphindor → Hogwarts#Houses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Completley implausible typo of Gryffindor. Google turns up a couple of pages of results, few of which appear to be related to Harry Potter. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 22:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as a quite plausible misspelling for the target. All top google hits for me (in the U.S.) are as a misspelling of the target. Good redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, refine to Hogwarts#Gryffindor to match the redirect Gryffindor. I have added redirect categories. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mdewman6 I get 47 results in total, the first page of which contains this redirect, a world of Warcraft character profile, two links to some kind of Instagram thing, two spell checking websites, some kind of fanfiction thing, a mobile game and a tiktok hashtag. Are you using quote marks "" to search for this exact string? Does google say at the top "showing results for Gryffindor"? I can't believe the US google results would be so completley different. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 02:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
first page of which contains this redirect
On that note, does Template:Rfd not have a__NOINDEX__
like Template:AfD? I feel like that shouldn't be. (please ping on reply) Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)- I am not using quotes to search for the exact text, and it is showing results for Gryffindor, but that is exactly the point...this is a misspelling of Gryffindor and that's why this redirect exists. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see how you can get any useful information about the prevalence or usage of this misspelling if you are looking at google search results for a completely different word. When you look for places where people have used this exact spelling search results are both a) almost non-existent and b) overwhelmingly for stuff not related to harry potter. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, it just means that Google thinks you are looking for Gryffindor, which is probably the case for the vast majority of people googling this term. None of the other things in your Ghits seem notable, or are certainly less likely to be sought than the Harry Potter proper noun. But it's not really about Google results...it's completely plausible that someone unfamiliar with Harry Potter heard the term and would take a stab at spelling it phonetically as Griphindor. A redirect brings them directly to where the thing they are seeking is described, and tells them how it is correctly spelled. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- The guidelines on when we should have redirects, WP:RPURPOSE, states that they should be created for
Likely misspellings
. If google turns up fewer than 50 uses in the billions of websites that they have indexed then I do not think that that this meets theLikely
part of the criteria. Google trends is unable to even produce any analytics on this misspelling, because so few people have used it [5]. Compared to the correctly spelled version the relative usage of this spelling is essentially zero [6]. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC) - R.E. Google automatically suggesting a meaning - google will try to do that for any term that it can't find proper results for. If you type "widsalrweac" into google (without the quote marks) it will tell you that it found no results and show you results for "warwick" as an alternative. That does not mean widsalrweac → warwick is a good redirect. If it was actually made it would quite rightly be WP:R3'd as an implausible typo without any actual uses, which is is, it was produced by me mashing my keyboard. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- We should only delete implausible misspellings, and this one is far from implausible in my view. Misspellings much less 'plausible' than this one (like, actual typos rather than incorrect spellings deliberately typed) are kept all the time at Rfd. There is no reason to delete this, and it is arguably useful for the reasons outlined above and should be kept. Google results aren't really relevant in the final analysis. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The guidelines on when we should have redirects, WP:RPURPOSE, states that they should be created for
- Well, it just means that Google thinks you are looking for Gryffindor, which is probably the case for the vast majority of people googling this term. None of the other things in your Ghits seem notable, or are certainly less likely to be sought than the Harry Potter proper noun. But it's not really about Google results...it's completely plausible that someone unfamiliar with Harry Potter heard the term and would take a stab at spelling it phonetically as Griphindor. A redirect brings them directly to where the thing they are seeking is described, and tells them how it is correctly spelled. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see how you can get any useful information about the prevalence or usage of this misspelling if you are looking at google search results for a completely different word. When you look for places where people have used this exact spelling search results are both a) almost non-existent and b) overwhelmingly for stuff not related to harry potter. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mdewman6 I get 47 results in total, the first page of which contains this redirect, a world of Warcraft character profile, two links to some kind of Instagram thing, two spell checking websites, some kind of fanfiction thing, a mobile game and a tiktok hashtag. Are you using quote marks "" to search for this exact string? Does google say at the top "showing results for Gryffindor"? I can't believe the US google results would be so completley different. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 02:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, refine to Hogwarts#Gryffindor to match the redirect Gryffindor. I have added redirect categories. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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Assembly of Guiana
- Assembly of Guiana → Assembly of French Guiana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vague target: we're assuming that, when someone searches 'Guiana' that they mean 'French Guiana'. This ignores similar names in Guyana and Guinea. Iseult Δx parlez moi 05:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Guinea should not be relevant to this discussion, since correct spellings should always take precedence over incorrect spellings when deciding redirect targets. However, Guyana was called British Guiana up until independence, and the lower chamber of its legislature was the House of Assembly (British Guiana). I see some printed sources ([7]) referring to an earlier governing body (the Combined Court?) as the "Assembly of Guiana" too. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 07:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I think that maybe we should just let people use the search engine. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Dexter McPherson
- Dexter McPherson → Dexter's Laboratory#Premise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Same rationale as my previous nomination for Dee Dee McPherson. — Paper Luigi T • C 03:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't see this full name used anyplace official. No clue where it came from, honestly. I also support deletion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy delete as a G3 (blatant hoax). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - no one knows them with this last name and only references to it are Wiki and Wikia. WikiVirusC(talk) 15:09, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as cannot be found in official media or products. --Lenticel (talk) 00:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Dee Dee McPherson
- Dee Dee McPherson → Dexter's Laboratory#Premise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The surname McPherson is, to my knowledge, not present in any media related to the franchise. It should be deleted on those grounds alone. Possibly a hoax. — Paper Luigi T • C 03:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - As I stated in terms of the other case, I don't see this full name used anyplace official. Seems to have just popped up out of the wilderness. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy delete as a G3 (blatant hoax). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - no one knows them with this last name and only references to it are Wiki and Fandom, and Fandom also has another completely unreferenced last name. WikiVirusC(talk) 15:09, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above points. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as cannot be found in official media or products. --Lenticel (talk) 00:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
June 7
Z Street
- Z Street → Street or road name#Z Street (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
delete as the original target is now a redirect to street name, which is a general discussion with nothing on this particular street name. Mangoe (talk) 16:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - the current target wasn't really redirected to street name, this was part of a move of the original target due to a RM discussion (see Talk:Street name#Requested move 22 May 2022). The section discussing/mentioning Z Street doesn't look like it changed as part of this move, and is currently at Street name#Lettered and numbered streets, so if kept it should be retargeted there. No opinion on whether this should be deleted or retargeted though. A7V2 (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep (but fix double redirect). Currently this is a double redirect, but targets the section mentioned by A7V2 as a {{R to anchor}}. Redirecting here was the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Z_Street and I don't think the situation has changed appreciably since that consensus was formed. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Is Love Supposed to Hurt Like This?
- Is Love Supposed to Hurt Like This? → Staydom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned on target now or at the time of creation. Cannot find a suitable target to redirect to. If there is a suitable target I'd have no objection to saving. Richhoncho (talk) 11:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- It was mentioned in the article. It is a literal translation of the Korean title of the song "사랑은 원래 이렇게 아픈 건가요", which was given the English title of "Love Fool". Some sources on the Internet (perhaps not too reliable, but they are out there) provide this as the translation of the Korean title. Ss112 12:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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File:Kazhugu.jpg
- File:Kazhugu.jpg → File:Kazhugu 1981 poster.jpg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Apart from helping differentiate from Kazhugu (2012 film), I think it should be deleted per G7. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT, the title does not fall under one of the criteria for deletion, after 8 years at this title there are going to be a lot of historic uses. Ambiguity on its own is not justification to delete a redirect in file space. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NFCC WP:GALLERY Wikipedia should not violate copyright laws by serving non-free content to off-site uses as an image server. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:PEER
- Wikipedia:PEER → Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Peer review since PR is the primary topic. Mislinks to the WikiProject page can be seen at Talk:Main Page/Archive 61#Proposition for featured article for 03/28/06, Talk:Reverend Gary Davis#GA review, and Talk:Jamaica College#Re-assessment 5. Thanks! NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom, looks like a better target. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or at worst Disambiguate due to a significant amount of incoming links (150+) which seem to overwhelmingly intended to target the peerage wikiproject. From a spot check mislinks seem to be only a small portion of current uses. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 19:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)- Retarget Its a low link count, but since its been around since 2006, I might suggest a hat? Although there are so many hats already over there. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:26, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Horse racer
- Horse racer → Lampropeltis getula (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This term can also be used in reference to horse racing. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to horse racing and add hatnote pointing to the snake article --Lenticel (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget with hatnote as Lenticel suggested, sounds like the best solution. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Same as above except that retarget to Jockey as the more appropriate target. Jay (talk) 02:26, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Jockey as the article which discusses people who race horses. feminist (talk) | never forget 07:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget - I agree that this should go to 'jockey'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Grec ancien
- Grec ancien → Ancient Greek (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:RLOTE. There is no specific connection between ancient Greek and the French language. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree. This doesn't seem worth keeping. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I foresee this popping up from time to time in English-language sources and potentially confusing readers who don't recognize it. Redirects are cheap, and apparently this one isn't needed for anything else, so there's no benefit to deleting it. P Aculeius (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please name some occasion where this term is used. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Since it's a French term, Google search results (even set to English) are swamped with French results. But I can see a number of citations in English language books or journals to French works with this in the title, as well as in the name of one or two works of modern art executed in the style of ancient Greece. Just as English speakers might expect to encounter ancien régime from time to time, classical scholars or even, it seems, art scholars might encounter Grec ancien. Is it really necessary to prove that this occurs 'X' number of times in published English works in order to preserve a redirect? It seems to me that a redirect that is unneeded for any other purpose needs nothing more than to be a plausible search term for someone who does not know or is not certain what it refers to. Unlike most easy targets for deletion, this is not misspelled, does not have non-standard capitalization, spacing, or malformed brackets. If the term is encountered at all, this is how it will likely appear. And there is absolutely no cost to Wikipedia for keeping it around—it occupies precisely 27 bytes, literally the amount of memory required to type "#Redirect [[Ancient Greek]]". Your question plus ~~~~ requires twice as much memory. P Aculeius (talk) 10:38, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please name some occasion where this term is used. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per P Aculeius. BD2412 T 22:36, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete since the redirect fails to meet WP:RLOTE#Examples. NotReallySoroka (talk) 14:28, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Loop Line ((Seoul Metropolitan Subway))
- Loop Line ((Seoul Metropolitan Subway)) → Seoul Subway Line 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Air University ((Pakistan Air Force)) → Air University Pakistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Orma ((clan) → Orma (clan) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Law Committee ((French National Assembly) → Law Committee (French National Assembly) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Brice Creek ((Trent River tributary) → Brice Creek (Trent River tributary) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
More redirects with malformed double bracket disambiguators, delete all per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all - Appears to be no real reason to keep any of these. I concur completely. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. BD2412 T 22:33, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Dave Cummings ((pornographic actor))
- Dave Cummings ((pornographic actor)) → Dave Cummings (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wasp (comics)) → Wasp (character) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Yod (letter)) → Yodh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- USS Boston (1884)) → USS Boston (1884) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Pakistan national field hockey team tours and matches (2000–2004)) → Pakistan national field hockey team tours and matches (2000–2004) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Thomas Fleetwood (1661-1717)) → Thomas Fleetwood (1661–1717) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Yet more redirects with malformed double bracketed disambiguators, delete per WP:UNNATURAL 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all - None of these appear useful. Agreed. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. BD2412 T 22:33, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:A
- Wikipedia:A → Wikipedia:Attribution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The current target is not commonly viewed. According to this, it gets an average of 9 views a day. Meanwhile, the administrators page receives a much larger 434 per day. That is 48 times the current target. I propose a retarget to WP:ADMIN. interstatefive 17:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as is. This redirect has 6500 incoming links, almost all of which appear to be intending to point to the page on attribution. Ancient project space redirects with significant usage should not be changed without very good reason. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Leave alone per IP. WP:RKEEP #4, created in '04 with many links. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Thessaloniki massacres (1821))
- Thessaloniki massacres (1821)) → Thessaloniki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Lawful permanent residents (United States)) → Green card (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Deuce (Hollywood Undead)) → Deuce (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aurora (astronomy)) → Aurora (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Money Game (Famicom video game)) → List of Nintendo Entertainment System games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Deep Depression ARB 03 (2011)) → 2011 North Indian Ocean cyclone season#Deep Depression ARB 03 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Esrom (Book of Mormon)) → List_of_Book_of_Mormon_people#E (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Inter-District Championship (Fiji)) → Inter-District Championship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Yet more redirects with double closing brackets, delete all per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete but please note, one of these, Deep Depression ARB 03 (2011)), actually had a link within an article. I have now corrected the link to just a single paren and created the correct redirect. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Tianhe Stadium (Guangzhou (Canton))
- Tianhe Stadium (Guangzhou (Canton)) → Tianhe Stadium (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't see how this is a useful redirect. I don't see the need for the double disambiguation, I don't see how it makes sense to disambiguate the name of a city with a different form of the name of the city and I don't think that "disambiguator in a disambiguator" type constructions are likely to be linked to or searched for. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:56, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree. This seems to be useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, unnecessary. BD2412 T 22:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
R&B and Soul music
- R&B and Soul music → Rhythm and blues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- R&B and Soul Music → Rhythm and blues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:XY These redirects combine together Rhythm and blues and Soul music so it is unclear which one they should target. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 17:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete – it isn't needed. We have a dab for Rhythm and blues, and a dab for Soul music. Atsme 💬 📧 17:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Atsme. BD2412 T 05:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
R et B
- R et B → Rhythm and blues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:RLOTE. No specific affinity between Rhythm and blues and French/latin 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I have no clear idea from which language the "et" is supposed to be from (French? Can it be a play on word with Roland Barthes ?). Veverve (talk) 17:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Per et, I have found that "et" means "and" in Franco-Provençal, French, archaic forms of Italian, Latin, Middle French, Norman (Jèrriais), Old French, Picard, and Walloon. Of those, only Franco-Provençal, French, Jèrriais, Picard, and Walloon are both still spoken widely and use et in regular parlance. Interestingly, in French and most of the other languages it seems as if Rhythm and Blue despite being spelled Rhythm & Blue implying a pronunciation of Rhythm et Blues is generally pronounced as Rhythm-n-Blues to match it with the English sound. Regardless, I could find little-to-nothing in any of these languages using this term so not only is an RLOTE, it's seemingly a neologism as well. TartarTorte 19:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This simply isn't helpful, and thus it isn't worth keeping. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Useless as this term does not exist in English nor any language for the matter, if Torte is correct. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Bône ((département)
- Bône ((département) → Bône (département) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Robert Blake (dentist)) → Robert Blake (dentist) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Antena 3 (Spanish TV channel)) → Antena 3 (Spanish TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Drama (Film and television)) → Drama (film and television) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- John North (Cambridge 1645-1683)) → John North (Trinity) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Mary Miller (General & Artistic Director)) → Mary Miller (artistic director) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Yet more redirects with misspelled/broken double braket disamiguators. Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete but we really need a CSD for these misbracketed disambiguations; nominating all these must get pretty tiring if you have to do it every single time you run into these! — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. BD2412 T 22:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Marcia (wife of Marcus Ulpius Traianus (senator))
- Marcia (wife of Marcus Ulpius Traianus (senator)) → Marcia (mother of Trajan) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible search term because it forms a wikipedia self reference, you need to know how wikipedia would disambiguate Marcus Ulpius Traianus for this to make any sense. Furthermore this "disambiguator in a disambiguator" construction is unlikley to be arrived at by searchers (WP:UNNATURAL) 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: The disambiguator within a disambiguator does not make sense here either. If Trajan (the target of Marcus Ulpius Traianus also had a wife named Marcia, then I could see the logic in it, but he was married to Pompeia Plotina and even her full name of Pompeia Plotina Claudia Phoebe Piso does not contain Marcia. TartarTorte 19:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. BD2412 T 22:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 3))
- List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 3)) → Hannah Montana (season 3) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- De La Salle School (Liverpool)) → De La Salle Academy, Liverpool (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Warley (Essex)) → Warley, Essex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Christ Church (Alexandria)) → Christ Church (Alexandria, Virginia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- James Bond (film character)) → Portrayal of James Bond in film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Linton Alexander (Dream Team)) → Dream Team (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Painted Post (1928 film)) → Painted Post (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another batch of redirects with malformed, double closed bracket disambigators. Delete all per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:36, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Mick Lyons (footballer (soccer))
- Mick Lyons (footballer (soccer)) → Mick Lyons (English footballer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible search term. "Soccer" is not a disambiguator for "football" and the disambiguaror in a disambiguator construction is highly unlikely to be searched for (WP:UNNATURAL). Left over from reverting a 2007 era page move. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. BD2412 T 22:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
The Call (comic book series))
- The Call (comic book series)) → The Call of Duty (comics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- North Cape (Norway)) → North Cape (Norway) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War (2008)) → Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War (2008) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Franklin High School (New Orleans)) → Benjamin Franklin High School (New Orleans) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- California(song)) → California (disambiguation)#Music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Széll Kálmán tér (Budapest Metro)) → Széll Kálmán tér metro station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Thomas Jefferson Middle School (Vancouver, Washington)) → Vancouver Public Schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Operational Land Imager (OLI)) → Operational Land Imager (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another batch of redirects with malformed disamiguators with doubled closing brackets. Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:57, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Soul/R&B Music
- Soul/R&B Music → Rhythm and blues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:XY. This redirect combines two genres of music together and as such it is unclear which one it should target, it could point to Rhythm and blues or Soul music. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Independent journalism
- Independent journalism → Citizen journalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Independent journalist → Freelancer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not sure if these two terms are synonymous. To add confusion to the mix, Independent journalist redirects to Freelancer. I suggest both of these should be redlinked to encourage article creation, unless there is an obvious redirect or disambiguation page I'm missing. QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Independent journalist bundled since the nom is suggesting its deletion. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 11:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! QueenofBithynia (talk) 14:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 17:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I also feel that the general concept of being an "independent journalist" is broad enough that it needs its own page, being distinct from merely being a "freelancer" in terms of writing. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
The most remarkable formula in mathematics
- The most remarkable formula in mathematics → Euler's formula (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Most Remarkable Formula In The World → Euler's formula (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think that which one is "the most remarkable formula in mathematics" depends on the person, so I suggest delete the redirect. SilverMatsu (talk) 09:10, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Felix QW, Tamzin, Chatul, Mgnbar, CRGreathouse, and PatrickR2:, and 192.76.8.78. Thank you for your comments. I add "The Most Remarkable Formula In The World" to the list.--SilverMatsu (talk) 06:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The redirect presumably goes back to a Richard Feynman quote, who termed Euler's formula "the most remarkable formulas in mathematics" on page 10 of Chapter 22 of his Lectures on Physics. Felix QW (talk) 10:19, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as an {{r from quote}} / {{r non-neutral}}, unless someone can show evidence that this has been used to refer to more than one formula (in which case we should either hatnote or setindexify). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 10:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I've seen Euler's identity referred to in those terms, but it's just a special case of Euler's formula. --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete unless more than the Feynman source can be found. Absent reliable sources, an article with this title would be a gross POV violation, right? Well, a redirect is basically an article with a different title. Mgnbar (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: I do think that this may be the most remarkable formula in mathematics, but I don't think that Wikipedia should adopt this stance by keeping the redirect. It's an NPOV issue. - CRGreathouse (t | c) 14:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Euler's formula is indeed remarkable, but declaring it "the most remarkable" is an opinion and not a fact. Feynman himself may have said it in jest, or just to emphasize the importance of the formula. Just as when one says "this player is the most remarkable player ever." Please delete. PatrickR2 (talk) 19:38, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Euler's identity or Keep, perhaps specifically the section "Mathematical beauty" which directly mentions this phrase. This is a well known quote about this identity, and it does not appear to be ambiguous with anything else. Redirecting famous quotes about X to the article on X is not a NPOV violation even if the original quote is not neutral, see WP:RNEUTRAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC) Updated to "retarget or keep" 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your comment itself illustrates that there is no consensus on what "the most remarkable formula in mathematics" would be. Feynman was referring to Euler's formula and not Euler's identity. (Still not a reason to keep it as is either.) PatrickR2 (talk) 23:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- On the equation Vs identity point I have no strong preference, they are essentially two sides of the same coin and the phrase does seem to be used/quoted in reference to both of them. Have a look at any search engine and you'll find that this phrase is used to describe basically nothing except Euler's Identity/Formula, e.g. google books. You'll find all kinds of textbooks quoting this phrase, e.g. [8] [9] allways in relation to this equation/identity. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your comment itself illustrates that there is no consensus on what "the most remarkable formula in mathematics" would be. Feynman was referring to Euler's formula and not Euler's identity. (Still not a reason to keep it as is either.) PatrickR2 (talk) 23:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
DeleteAnother reason to not keep this is that this redirect is currently not used in a meaningful way from any other article (just two private draft pages and a bookkeeping page it seems). I don't think mathematicians among us want to encourage the use of this turn of phrase as it is subjective and open for debate. See https://www.livescience.com/57849-greatest-mathematical-equations.html for example, which mentions other candidates, for example the Pythagoras theorem (a^2+b^2=c^2), or Euler's formula for polyhedra (V-E+F=2), but does not mention the other Euler formula? PatrickR2 (talk) 23:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)- Please do not leave multiple bolded !votes in the same discussion. Any extra comments you wish to make should be left as comments without the bolded vote. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Nowhere in that article is the phrase "The most remarkable formula in mathematics" used. Redirects exist to link search terms to articles where readers will find content they are looking for. They do not have to be neutral (WP:RNEUTRAL). They do not get deleted because editors think the praise/criticism in them is misplaced (WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS). This is a well known and widely quoted phrase from a well known scientist, it is a completely appropriate redirect. No one here has shown that this phrase is used anywhere outside of quoting Feynman, so it is no one has actually demonstrated that it is ambiguous. And no, coming up with lists of other "remarkable formulas" isn't what I'm referring to, I'm looking for instances where people have referred to another formula with the exact phrase "The most remarkable formula in mathematics" and demonstrating that such uses are numerous enough that there is a good chance that readers are searching for something other than the Feynman quote. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment If the redirect were deleted, then searches would still find the Feynman quote in the Euler's formula article, probably at or near the top, correct? That seems an adequate solution for people looking for the phrase, without the ambiguity/POV problems identified with the redirect. (There should be no internal links to this redirect, I think.) --Trovatore (talk) 18:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the second one, abstain on the first one. "The Most Remarkable Formula In The World" is substantially different from Feynman's quote. -Apocheir (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the first, since it represents a Feynman quote. However, delete the second since it mis-represents him (mathematics =/= world) NotReallySoroka (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment 2 There seems to be an author who calls Euler–Maclaurin formula "one of the most remarkable formulas of mathematics".--SilverMatsu (talk) 08:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Alabdulmohsin, Ibrahim M. (7 March 2018). Summability Calculus: A Comprehensive Theory of Fractional Finite Sums. ISBN 9783319746487.
- Lampret, Vito (2001). "The Euler-Maclaurin and Taylor Formulas: Twin, Elementary Derivations". Mathematics Magazine. 74 (2): 109–122. doi:10.2307/2690625. JSTOR 2690625.
Czechoslovak
- Czechoslovak → Czechoslovakism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Divert to Czechoslovakia: The word "Czechoslovak" is a demonym for the erstwhile country. Please also see the Astronaut page where "Czechoslovak" is used to describe a person from Czechoslovakia. Thank you. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support speedily retargeting to Czechoslovakia, the original longstanding target of the term from when I created this redirect in 2014 until a few months ago when it was changed without discussion. BD2412 T 04:09, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Czechoslovakia. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Move the disambiguation page at Czechoslovak (disambiguation) to this title, just like we do with other country demonym titles, e.g. Polish, American or French. A quick search sugggests that the disambiguation page could be expanded with a few other ambiguous terms too, like Czechoslovak people and Czechoslovak citizens. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support the ideal retarget would either be Czechoslovakia or Czechoslovak (disambiguation). Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 22:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Retarget to DABStruck - see below thank you 192..78 Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)- @IAmChaos If you agree that this title should lead to the disambiguation page then the DAB page should be moved here. When you have a redirect at "Foo" pointing to "Foo (disambiguation)" you have what is called a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Czechoslovakia or move Czechoslovak (disambiguation) to this title?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, feminist (talk) | never forget 07:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Move dab per 192.76.8.78. - CRGreathouse (t | c) 14:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
MacOS Mammoth
- MacOS Mammoth → MacOS Ventura (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Draft:MacOS Mammoth → MacOS Ventura (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. This was originally a page created before Apple announced macOS Ventura, under the presumption that some rumors that Apple would call the next release "macOS Mammoth" were true. The rumors turned out to be false. At some point Apple might release a "macOS Mammoth", at which point the page will become a page for that release rather than a redirect to another release. (Note that, when it was the aforementioned article, rather than a redirect, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MacOS Mammoth was created, and the result of the discussion was "delete"; it might have been deleted and then replaced with a draft article that also mis-guessed the release name.) Guy Harris (talk) 05:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Noting that I declined A10 here because I felt there was a colorable argument that this is a valid {{r from incorrect name}}. That's not to say I definitely think it is one, just that I felt discussion was merited. I'm currently neutral. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 05:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Unnecessary redirect page --Hajoon0102 💬 06:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
List of members of the Nebraska Legislature
- List of members of the Nebraska Legislature → List of Nebraska state senators (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vague target; the Nebraska Senate only became the sole chamber in 1938. For members of the defunct Nebraska House, we have Category:Members of the Nebraska House of Representatives; in any case, redirect title doesn't apply cleanly or solely to target. Iseult Δx parlez moi 04:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and add hatnote. The Nebraska Legislature is currently synonymous with Nebraska Senate. Since we don't have any article on members of the bicameral legislature, there's no ambiguity to resolve here. But we can add
{{for|all legislators since 1867|Category:Members of the Nebraska House of Representatives|Category:Nebraska state senators}}
, which can be turned into a link to a List of members of the Nebraska Legislature (1867–1934), if such a list is written. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC) - Keep and add hatnote per above - I think there's useful distinguishing information, and it's possible to convert the redirect into an article. I'll just add that I've been thinking of creating that list, but there is a lot of research to do for that peculiar time in Nebraska history ;). Urve (talk) 11:46, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and hatnote per Tamzin. Although perhaps someone searching this is looking for a list of current members? So a redirect to Nebraska Legislature#Membership could be reasonable also. If anything that table should probably be added to the top of List of Nebraska state senators. A7V2 (talk) 00:08, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Add "See Also" section to the Senators page. This way, all Senators are in a page while all Reps are in another page. Moreover, although I typically support self-refs, the Category is a poor choice for it because of its relatively low navigability. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Mr. Beast
At least two editors, 71.237.21.218 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and Praxidicae (talk · contribs), disagree on the proper target of this redirect. The IP wants to retarget this to the YouTuber MrBeast, who receives vastly more pageviews than the album Mr Beast. It is also possible that the correct solution is to disambiguate. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Peter John Ramos started using "Mr. Beast" as his ring name earlier this year (though at only 46 page views per day [11], he has basically no impact on any discussion of whether there's a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT here or not). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 04:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- The YouTuber is pretty frequently referred to as "Mr.Beast", "Mr Beast", or "Mr. Beast", even by newsmedia. I kind of wonder if this is a situation where even "Mr Beast" is a PRIMARYREDIRECT over the album. That would take an RM though, I guess. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 05:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- The YouTuber is surely more well known than the album. So retarget or disambiguate, yes, and it's probably best to move Mr Beast to Mr Beast (album), so we can create a disambiguation page or PRIMARYREDIRECT. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:36, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, per Mx. Granger. BD2412 T 20:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Move Mr Beast to Mr Beast (album) and Retarget Mr. Beast and Mr Beast to MrBeast. The YouTuber is the primary topic. -- Tavix (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Move & Retarget - I agree with Tavix completely. It's the most logical thing to do. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. MrBeast is most likely the PT for "Mr. Beast", making it a good target for the term in quotation marks. However, the album is also a plausible target for the term as an R from punctuation. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- 'Disambiguate Mr. Beast, point Mister Beast there, move Mr Beast to Mr Beast (album) and repoint that name to the dismabiguation page, that would contain the YouTuber, the album and Peter John Ramos -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Empire Air Training Scheme
- Empire Air Training Scheme → Australia and the Empire Air Training Scheme (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should this be retargeted to British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, of which this was an alternative name? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:10, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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Adventures with Purpose
- Adventures with Purpose → YouTube (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
YouTube channel not actually mentioned at the target. Briefly mentioned at Disappearance of Danielle Imbo and Richard Petrone Jr., but also apparently the name of an unrelated TV show described at Richard Bangs, making it seem like deletion is most appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 20:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Niko Defense League
- Niko Defense League → 2021 London mayoral election#Other parties and candidates (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The page this redirects to does not mention the title of the redirect or the abbreviation of it. I can find no references that this is a political party, movement or anything noteworthy. The only thing I can confirm it is, is a merchandise brand promoted by a YouTuber that ran for election for Mayor in London in 2021. Some of his fans are trying to add this to Wikipedia as seen on edit history of the NDL page, and for a unknown reason managed to create a redirect page with the name. Kimern9 (talk) 20:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Realistically
- Realistically → Realism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This seems like a bit of a WP:SURPRISE. I think a soft redirect to wiktionary would be possibly worthwhile or otherwise deletion. TartarTorte 17:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete A cross project redirect seems a little unneeded, delete it. | Zippybonzo | Talk | 17:27, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed. Realism is a big disam page, with none of the entries likely to be any help. Just delete. Johnbod (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing useful at the dab page. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:41, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't think that this should go to anything, really. Better to simply let people use the search engine. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Nanzhou Passenger Station (metro)
- Nanzhou Passenger Station (metro) → Nanzhou station (Guangzhou Metro) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Deletion: this redirect is for the wikipedia policies ill-formatted (Stations capitalized and metro disambiguator). ZandDev (msg) 12:13, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Cheap and harmless. BD2412 T 17:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: While the capitalization is odd, I would note that the disambiguator itself isn't a problem as there is both Nanzhou station (Guangzhou Metro) and Nanzhou railway station. TartarTorte 17:41, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Edgelord
This redirect does not in any way get mentioned in the article. Perhaps an article for "Edgelord" would be better suited. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 02:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't know if the generic concept of being an 'edgelord', as partially distinct from being a 'troll', is worth an article. It may be, though. At any rate, the current redirect isn't appropriate. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as can't see a suitable target. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- There's a song on the album My Agenda that has this name, perhaps a disambiguation page between the current target, the song and a link to the Wiktionary definition would be reasonable? This has been getting a lot of page views (100+/month) so we should probably have something at this title. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 05:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Levelized
- Levelized → Levelized cost of energy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Levelised → Levelized cost of energy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Levelised has the same issue. I have formally added this to the nomination. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Many things can be levelized, not just the cost of energy. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: no good target, a relative common word. Femke (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as no suitable target. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete common word, page/redirect not necessary --Ita140188 (talk) 20:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note to closer The above comments were made before 'levelised' was formally part of the nomination. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete General term redirecting to a specific application of the concept. I wasn't able to find a good target for this, we don't see to have an article which covers the concept in general. The Wiktionary entries for this term are a confusing maze which require multiple steps to get to an actual definition. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
WPHR (AM)
This station has never had the WPHR call sign. The edit summary of the creation of this redirect admitted that it was speculatively created in the event that the call sign might eventually change (its programming was previously heard on a station called WPHR-FM), but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and 11 years later the station is still WHEN (and the current WPHR-FM in Florida isn't even under any common ownership or operation these days). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
KCAQ (AM)
While the station that the target article is about simulcast KCAQ for a time several years ago, it never had the KCAQ call sign itself. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft:TheWikiholic
- Draft:TheWikiholic → User:TheWikiholic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
User page is not, and has never been, a draft, so having a redirect from draftspace makes no sense. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- It was moved there and this is an {{R from move}}. I don't know why we would bother wasting XfD time here on such a page, but since its two button clicks for an admin next week either way, might as well Delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Vivian Wright (One Life to Live)
- Vivian Wright (One Life to Live) → List of One Life to Live characters (2000s)#Vivian Wright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This character is not referenced at all on the target page; redirect should be deleted. Bgsu98 (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Black anther
- Black anther → Melanthera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is just a translation of "Melanthera", and is not used as a common name for the plant Plantdrew (talk) 18:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete partial title match at best for the black anther flax lily (Dianella revoluta and Dianella admixta). I'm thinking of it as a misspelling for Black Panther but I think that's a very long stretch. --Lenticel (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or make the correction at the target article. If it is not a common name, why does the target say
The generic name means "black anther."
? Jay (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
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June 5
Qoi fish
![Delete](https://web.archive.org/web/20220611044307im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg.png)
Left-wing fascism
- Left-wing fascism → Fascism#Position in the political spectrum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Red fascism exists, and the section Fascism#Position in the political spectrum does not cover what one would expect by typing "Left-wing fascism". I feel maybe the redirect should be either retargeted to Red fascism, or turned into a DAB with Red fascism and Fascism#Position in the political spectrum. Veverve (talk) 12:15, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The original article was deleted because there is no body of literature to explain the notability of the expression. Basically, six authors had written "left-wing fascism," but they all meant different things and did not refer to one another. It's like the term large fish. Each person using the expression will have a different meaning and there is no notable topic. TFD (talk) 21:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete because it has different meanings? What? I don't understand how anyone could have a problem with Left-wing fascism redirecting to Fascism. Where else would the reader learn about what "left-wing fascism" is (and its various meanings) other than the article Fascism? Delete because there is no notable topic? Double what? Since when do redirects need to be notable? I mean, kind of the point of redirects is that they're used for search terms that don't have a notable topic... like left-wing facism... Are you new to RFD? :-P Levivich 16:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - "Left-wing fascism" is discussed at the target, "Fascism#Position in the political spectrum" (search for "fascist left"). It is not discussed at the proposed new target, "Red fascism". As far as I know, it's not discussed at any other potential target except the current one. Readers who want to know what "left-wing fascism" is will find out by reading about it at the article "Fascism". I don't understand what the problem is. Also note the nom has been TBANed from "Russia" at AE. Levivich 16:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, in line with the decision of the latest AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Left-wing_fascism_(4th_nomination). --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- ...delete per the AFD where two out of four delete voters suggested a redirect, which is why I created this redirect? Levivich 04:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The outcome of the discussion was "delete", not "delete & redirect". --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- "Delete" does not mean "delete and do not redirect", and no one objected to redirecting. Redirect was suggested partway through by one voter, and the only other voter to vote afterwards agreed. We could ping everyone who voted and see what the think. I'm still baffled that anyone would want to delete this redirect. Why erase this term from the encyclopedia, it's an obvious search term, and readers should be pointed to somewhere that explains what it is (and isn't). "Cuz the AFD" is a pretty poor argument. What is your substantive objection to this redirect? Levivich 05:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging the participants in the AFD in case they want to comment here: MjolnirPants, DanielRigal, Inadvertent Consequences, Slatersteven, Cdjp1, and Generalrelative. Levivich 15:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I have commented below. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- The outcome of the discussion was "delete", not "delete & redirect". --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Now that we have Daniel and Slater's comments below, we can say that out of the 4 delete voters in the AFD, only 1 says this redirect should be deleted. That doesn't determine the outcome of this RFD, but I think it negates the "in line with the decision of the latest AfD" rationale. Levivich 03:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- ...delete per the AFD where two out of four delete voters suggested a redirect, which is why I created this redirect? Levivich 04:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as it seems a bit forkey, a way of keeping "left-wing fascism" by hook or by crrok. I am also unsure the target mentions it. Slatersteven (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- When the reader searches for "left-wing fascism" or clicks that link the first thing they see when they're brought to the target is
Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum.
, which is exactly what they should see when they search for "left-wing fascism". Do you not want to educate readers that the mainstream view is that fascism is not left-wing? We don't accomplish that by censoring the term, by removing it entirely from the encyclopedia. Hook or crook my foot. You seriously think I'm trying to say fascism is left wing? Ffs, SS. Levivich 16:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)- I have no real idea what you want, what I do know is this has been an issue in the past. I suspect that if this redirect is kept it will be an issue again, for exactly the reason you state "I wanted to find out about the truth behind "left-wing fascism". If we said something about it in the target (as in "experts agree fascism is not left wing" (or some such)), the fact is we do not. So we are (in effect) invot9iomg people to add something about left wing fascism. Slatersteven (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- What problems? This redirect has existed for a year, we've had no problems. And the target does say fascism is not left wing, I just quoted it. Sheesh, how is "fascism is right wing" not the same as "fascism is not left wing"? There's a whole section in the fascism article called "position on the political spectrum", which is the target of this redirect. I honestly don't know what you're talking about when you say the target doesn't talk about it, when there's a whole section devoted to it. Levivich 16:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have no real idea what you want, what I do know is this has been an issue in the past. I suspect that if this redirect is kept it will be an issue again, for exactly the reason you state "I wanted to find out about the truth behind "left-wing fascism". If we said something about it in the target (as in "experts agree fascism is not left wing" (or some such)), the fact is we do not. So we are (in effect) invot9iomg people to add something about left wing fascism. Slatersteven (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- When the reader searches for "left-wing fascism" or clicks that link the first thing they see when they're brought to the target is
- NOT delete. I know this is not one of the normal options but my !vote really is "NOT delete". There are multiple arguable options here, including the status quo, but deletion is not one of them. My "tentative delete" vote on the AfD was based on the awful state of the article that was proposed for deletion not a desire to expunge the term completely. In fact, I said that
"it may be that there is scope for a valid article on this subject"
. If somebody searches for the term then we need to give them what they want. The problem is working out what that is. Some may be chuds, or those bamboozled by chuds, looking for anything to support the idiotic belief that fascism is left wing. For them, the current target is perfect. It explains where fascism really lies in the political spectrum. Far from legitimising this silly phrase, anything we can do to funnel people searching for it towards the truth of the matter is worthwhile. (There is a lot to be said for deliberately making redirects so that anybody searching for edgelord terminology gets pointed towards accurate information that will help to deflate whatever misconceptions caused them to do that specific search.) Others may be looking for something more specific without knowing the correct term to search for e.g. Red fascism or Strasserism. I don't think we can guess which of those they want so a retargeting to Red fascism would be arbitrary and almost certainly unhelpful to more people than it helps. I am not against a disambiguation page but it absolutely must prioritise the current target as the main item if it is to be valid. It would also need careful watching to prevent anybody morphing it back into anything like the awful mess that got deleted, as well as to keep an eye out for general POV pushing. Maybe it is more trouble than it is worth? I'm not sure so I'm not going to advocate a specific outcome here. I just want to be clear that my delete !vote on the AfD was specific to that AfD and does not carry over to this discussion. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, probably The term is highly problematical and I'm not sure that a satisfactory article on the topic could ever be written. The target doesn't actually mention or explain it. Also, note in passing the article about a book called Liberal fascism which in its lead says: "...the mainstream view among historians and political scientists that maintains fascism is a far-right ideology" . I'd lean towards delete, else add more content at the target plus a redirect hatnote to Red fascism and Liberal fascism. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not delete Keep. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is getting a reputation for left-wing bias and when students, researchers and the general public discover that articles offering counterarguments to Wikipedia’s ‘perceived wisdom’ are being deleted irrespective of their merits they will assume bias and be correct.Inadvertent Consequences (talk) 11:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think I have ever seen anybody talk themselves into the right answer for wronger reasons. ;-) DanielRigal (talk) 17:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to Fascism#Fascist as a pejorative, that section does talk about fascism in regard to communist states. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 22:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Levivich and DanielRigal, the information at the target is informative to a reader searching this term, as it both explains the RS consensus perspective of where fascism is positioned on the political spectrum, and provides additional context on the use of fascism as a pejorative for non-rightist authoritarians. signed, Rosguill talk 20:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I think Levivich and DanielRigal's arguments are very compelling but ultimately founder on the the question of utility to the reader in the absence of a mention in the target. Redirects don't have to be mentioned in the target in absolutely every case, but I struggle to think of a case where it wouldn't be necessary, or wouldn't lead to avoidable confusion, for the name of a political concept to point to a target where that concept isn't directly discussed. This is compounded by the fact that there is a body of scholarship on "left-wing fascism" unrelated to right-wing both-sides-ism or Jonah Goldberg-type nonsense (I'm thinking mostly of work by Jürgen Habermas), which could be covered in the encyclopaedia but isn't; given we don't have any encyclopaedic coverage of that topic or related topics, we're better off making the reader aware of that rather than pointing them to something tangentially related and without a mention of the term. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with the nom and TFD that this is an ambiguous subject. Keeping the redirect at the current target will not help readers reach Red fascism, although refining to Fascism#Fascist as a pejorative (one of the proposed targets) will. Agree with Laterthanyouthink and Arms & Hearts that the current target does not mention or explain the subject, and is more problematic than useful to the reader. While I agree with the spirit of DanielRigal's NOT delete, the alternate option of disambiguation does not arise as none of the potential targets (including Fascism#Fascist as a pejorative or Fascist (insult), which was also the suggestion of the 2nd AfD) have a mention of the term. Delete so it can come back as a possible broad concept article. Jay (talk) 15:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep - While "red fascism" as a conceptual label for radical authoritarian socialism (particularly types associated with militant nationalism) is something that's intellectually valid, I think (and I strongly disagree with the notion that the label is just a political slur), the redirect as it stands shows the reader a place with serious information discussing how fascism in general fits in the broader left-to-right political spectrum. I'd rather expand that article than otherwise change things. Deletion is the wrong call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per arguments above. The topic isn't covered in this section so a redirect elsewhere (maybe Red fascism) is probably more appropriate. The "Fascist left" spoken about is very context specific aspect of Italian fascism and is not what most people would be looking for when searching this term. Vladimir.copic (talk) 03:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Crossgates,seamer
- Crossgates,seamer → Crossgates, Scarborough (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete: badly formed Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Satyrus of Elis
- Satyrus of Elis → Satyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Satyrus of Elis" appears nowhere in Enwiki and I'm not sure a redirect to the disambiguation page is helpful. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll note d:Q20165817, so this is a real person with pages on other wikis. Probably delete under WP:REDYES Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Satyrus of Athens
- Satyrus of Athens → Satyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think the footnote at Cleopatra Eurydice of Macedon infers that Satyrus of Athens is supposed to be Satyrus the Peripatetic, which may be a better target than the disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:20, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think the cited text of Athenaeus is pretty clear that the Satyrus mentioned is the one who wrote a biography of Philip and so the Peripatetic. I’d just make the change as this seems uncontroversial. - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy retarget per above. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
File:Ghani (2021 film).jpg
- File:Ghani (2021 film).jpg → File:Ghani (2022 film).jpg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The film did NOT release in 2021. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:27, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, but will explain a bit more. The film was originally meant to release in 2021, but was pushed back to 2022. Checking the history of the image, there seems to have been a poster with the old 2021 release date, but it was replaced with a 2022 poster. The 2021 poster was deleted, presumably as unused NFC. The 2021 image file name shouldn't have redirected to the 2022 poster because they are two different posters. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:35, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
*Delete per User:Mellohi! --Lenticel (talk) 08:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT and the precedent that film redirects are kept when the film gets pushed back. -- Tavix (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT. From a search the only difference between the two posters seems to be the date at the bottom? I don't see why this poster was moved at all, it doesn't really seem to strictly meet any of the criteria at WP:FMV/W, a film planned for a 2021 release date having it's poster at a (2021) disambiguator seems like a reasonable enough situation to me, even if it was delayed to a 2022 release. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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Sonic Chrono Adventure
- Sonic Chrono Adventure → Sonic: After the Sequel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Misleading. The redirect only receives two mentions in the article. LBWP (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The nom literally gave the reason why this redirect should stay. CaptainGalaxy 12:11, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Only mentioned in passing, anyone searching this would be confused why they have been taken to this article, and would be unlikely to find what they were looking for. Would be best if a section could be added to List of unofficial Sonic media, however. A7V2 (talk) 01:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it is added to that list, we can always retarget it there. But until then, a little bit of information is better than none. Regards SoWhy 10:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't really any information though. It is just a passing mention, the kind that would warrant a link if this had an article. Someone searching this would be left confused as to why they came to this page, and shouldn't have to waste their time reading the whole article (or using ctrl+F) to find why they were taken to the target. If this was deleted, then search would turn up the current target but with the added context about this being a sequel right there in the search. A7V2 (talk) 02:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it is added to that list, we can always retarget it there. But until then, a little bit of information is better than none. Regards SoWhy 10:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete per A7V2. The search results page is more helpful than the redirect in this case. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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Musical Genres/Hip
- Musical Genres/Hip → Rapping (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Hip" isn't listed at List of music genres and styles so I assume "Hip" isn't a music genre. Like its sister below, this redirect has been around a while, but this one isn't useful and might be misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, the only reasons to keep a redirect with a malformed title like this would be to keep useful old history and possibly preserve old links, but none likely apply (the page had content for less than an hour in 2001 before being quickly redirected.) eviolite (talk) 04:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This seems totally useless to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not useful as a redirect, but it was probably the original title of Hip hop culture and now contains the first version of that article after it was imported; could it be moved or imported to the history of that page? 86.141.247.208 (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete as ambiguous and confusing, but with the caveat that this requires us to ignore WP:RKEEP, which explicitly identifies old redirects from subpages as a type of redirect that should be kept. If there's consensus to delete this it might be worth seeing if there's consensus to revise that guidance page; I think the idea that anybody's going to stumble across a link to this in the wild and follow it is probably negligible. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:26, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hip hop music as an {{R with old history}}. This is consistent with WP:RKEEP. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 17:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per Brainulator9. I agree it's not the most plausible title, but since it dates back to 2001, it should ideally be kept for attribution purposes. CycloneYoris talk! 06:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
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Atatürk's socialism
- Ulusalcılık (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] →
Neologism that doesn't appear to have any traction in English or Turkish (I searched for "Atatürkın sosyalizm" and "Atatürk sosyalizm"; the latter framing lends some results on Google Scholar, but appear to be relating to Atatürk's personal politics rather than Ulusalcılık). N.b., the current articles for Ulusalcılık on both en.wiki and tr.wiki describe an ideological phenomenon that took place after Atatürk's death; "Kemalist socialism" would perhaps be an appropriate redirect, "Atatürk's socialism" is not and should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 16:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Angzar
- Angzar → Miscellaneous Technical (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Angzar → Angzarr (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:36, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Noting that the redirect has now been moved to Angzarr, but I don't see how this addresses my concern. signed, Rosguill talk 17:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I moved Angzar to Angzarr which is the more common spelling. It is the shorthand for "right angle with downwards zigzag arrow" and I have noted that at the Miscellaneous Technical page. Best, Btyner (talk) 17:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: I'm a bit worried by this speedy closure, because Btyner shoe-horned it into the target page, which has no natural home for it. (Being unaware of this discussion, I reverted. If it is to stay, a proper home needs to be found for it.) ANGZARR is not the name of the glyph, it is a shorthand nick-name ("entity name" in Unicode.org terminology. Specifically, http://unicode.org/L2/L2003/03440-sc34-0433.pdf (p2) says
Tens of thousands of graphic characters are used in publishing text, a large proportion of which have been defined in ISO/IEC 10646. Even where standard coded representations exist, however, there may be situations in which they cannot be keyboarded conveniently or accurately, or in which it is not possible to display the desired visual depiction of the characters.
To help overcome these barriers to the successful interchange of SGML and related documents, this part of ISO/IEC TR 9573 defines character entity sets for some widely used special graphic characters regularly used in the production of scientific and mathematical documents.
- This is not to question Btyner's good faith or your logic in speedy closure, but rather that the assurance on which you based the closure was inadequate. If Btyner can integrate it properly (recognising that there are 100+ glyphs that will need to be given the same treatment and by which time I have to ask have we drifted into WP:NOTGUIDE territory), then I see no objection. But our timing shouldn't be driven by a word trending on Reddit.--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough, reopening the discussion. At this point, I'm satisfied by the confirmed assertion that people do refer to a symbol on this table as Angzarr and therefore might be looking to find its entry in the unicode block, so I'm neutral on the redirect itself. signed, Rosguill talk 20:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Immigrant racism
- Immigrant racism → Nativism (politics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Somewhat WP:SURPRISE-ing, as the search-term suggests racism by immigrants, not against immigrants. Deletion seems appropriate for lack off a suitable target. signed, Rosguill talk 16:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 18:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as creator, might instead redirect Racism against immigrants to Nativism (politics). iWillBanU (User:Mattx8y) what did i fuck up now 00:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy under G7 Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Both immigrants and native-born citizens can express racist views. Deletion is the right call. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Faithfully flat
- Faithfully flat → Flat module (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Might also refer to a Faithfully flat morphism. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good point. I think the page should be a disambig page; usually the context tells whether faithfully flat refers to a module one or a morphism one. —- Taku (talk) 17:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Cyanide gas
- Cyanide gas → Hydrogen cyanide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Cyanide per number of possibilities that the term "cyanide gas" would refer to other gaseous cyanides. 2405:9800:BA20:AB7A:103A:27C:F917:D4F1 (talk) 10:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy keep as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT per my comments at the previous Rfd: this term most commonly refers to the current target. Nothing has changed since the last Rfd; an IP bringing the same nomination with the same rationale when the consensus is clear is a waste of everyone's time. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Social unit
- Social unit → Level of analysis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was merged to level of analysis, but over the years, any mention of the term 'social unit' was removed from the target. The merge discussion (see talk page of both mentioned articlsS) was not attended - only the proposer suggested it and then carried out the uncontroversial merge. My query is inconclusive on whether this topic deserves its own entry, and as for the merger, I think unit of analysis would be better. Anyway, I am not sure what do; the current redirect is pointless (again, the target doesn't mention it), but deleting it would result in a loss of a past article without an AfD. Redirecting to unit of analysis is not ideal as that article also doesn't mention this. The old article did have some reliably referenced content, and I am frankly tempted to suggest restoring this pre-merge version, which could be AfD if anyone so desires. In either case, this redirect is currently not sustainable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: extremely vague expression. Veverve (talk) 08:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Restore pre-merge/redirect version. (The link given by nom is wrong though, it gave me an error: "This site is only available in Mainland China.") Second option, Refine to Level of analysis#Analytical levels in social science and tag as {{R without mention}}. I found it useful as it lists the social units present at different levels of society. Jay (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - The term is simply so vague and general that I can't see making anything useful out of it. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:social unit. Searching on Google Scholar, I wasn't able to find any literature analyzing the usage of the term social unit, which means that the best we can do is redirect the reader to a dictionary definition. signed, Rosguill talk 06:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect per Rosguill (talk · contribs). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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History of institutions
- History of institutions → Institution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It does not seem as though the target article contains any specific information about its history. Readers searching this term will not find what they are looking to find. Steel1943 (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep - the section on Social science perspectives does obliquely discuss the historical formation of institutions at a very theoretical and abstract level. I'm uncertain as to whether that's enough to satisfy a reader or whether deletion to encourage article creation would be preferable. signed, Rosguill talk 20:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - This article ought to exist as its own topic. I think... thus, well, it appears best to have the text red. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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L'Affaire Lafarge
- L'Affaire Lafarge → The Lafarge Case (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Current target is a 1938 crime film, but according to The New York Times, it also refers to a corporate scandal currently discussed at Lafarge (company)#Terrorist financing. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget - I agree that this should go to 'Lafarge (company)#Terrorist financing'. Perhaps a hatnote is in order. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep and disambiguate with a hatnote. In French, it appears based on fr.wiki and Google Scholar results that the primary topic is still overwhelmingly the 19th century Marie Lafarge case that the 1938 film is based on. Searching French news online, while a few sources use "l'affaire Lafarge" in the context of the 2017 scandal, about half the time they appear to be using the phrase to refer to Lafarge itself [12] (i.e "the Lafarge company"), and not the scandal. A reader searching for this term on en.wiki is almost certainly going to be looking primarily for the film, whose original title is L'affaire Lafarge, and other intents should be included there as a hatnote. signed, Rosguill talk 21:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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June 4
San Jose
To have “San Jose” redirect to the California city and “San José” redirect to the Costa Rica city
Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 23:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, do not retarget. Due to the common name for San Jose, California being "San Jose" without the acute accent on the "e", and official name being "San José" with the acute accent on the "e", there have been various move proposals on it (see previous 2016 RM) and its related articles such as San Jose International Airport (see previous discussion removing the accent), San Jose Public Library (see discussion removing the accent), San Jose State University (see previous discussion keeping it without the accent) and Berryessa/North San José station (see previous RM adding the accent). And the city of San Jose, CA does not help matters when it officially accepts both depending on whether it is upper- or lowercase, among others, as stated in the last paragraph of San Jose, California#Name. Therefore there is not a clear cut WP:SMALLDETAILS distinction between having the acute accent and not having it. And thus we should keep the status quo and have San Jose continue to redirect to San José and keep the latter as the disambig page (because there are more existing entries with the accent). Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Keep as dab, and no accent redirect to the dab. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - This nomination is very confusing due to some errors made when nominating. San Jose is currently a redirect to the disambiguation page San José (which is not a redirect at all). Note also there is a discussion on Talk:San José#Proposing a split of redirects about this same issue raised by the nom. I don't think this is the right venue for this discussion (since changing the target of San Jose is not all that is being considered). A7V2 (talk) 04:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know if RFD may be the right venue either. The proposal seems to involve converting the disambiguation page into a primary redirect, then splitting the resulting moved disambiguation page based on whether entries have the accented "é" or not. Either way this would contradict both WP:DIACRITICS and MOS:DIACRITICS when they state that you should still provide redirects from alternative forms that use or exclude diacritics. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note that I have removed San José from the nomination, because it is not a redirect (it's a disambiguation page), and I have corrected the current target for San Jose. The nomination suggests that San José be a redirect to San José, Costa Rica; this would require a requested move discussion to consider moving San José to San José (disambiguation) (i.e., Rfd is the wrong venue for discussing this proposal, as it doesn't involve a current redirect). Mdewman6 (talk) 03:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- This might be worth closing early as this overlaps with the concurrent discussion at Talk:San José#Proposing a split of redirects; this is a dupliate discussion but only addresses half the issue being considered per A7V2. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Ytterbium dodecaboride
- Ytterbium dodecaboride → Ytterbium#Borides (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Even though it's not mentioned at the target, it is a name within the group discussed there, and points the way toward future improvement. Dicklyon (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment There is no longer a section or anchor for borides, but YbB12 definitely exists and could be mentioned at the target. ComplexRational (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (ie oppose delete) - Seems I created the redirect, and made the target section [empty at that time] (but it was quickly deleted : "14:05, 16 September 2018 DePiep 38,043 bytes −92 →Borides: could be OK & GF but not as an empty section") - I'm inclined to undo the deletion of the target empty section, and look for the sources that prompted me to create the redirect in the first place. - Rod57 (talk) 09:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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TVWikipedia, but I re-instated Ytterbium#Borides and wrote content about ytterbium dodecaboride there. DMacks (talk) 01:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC) - Keep now that it was added Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Mustard sauce
- Mustard sauce → Mustard (condiment) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Mustard sauce" could refer to any sauce using mustard as the primary ingredient or flavor base, and is usually not used to refer to the condiment itself. In that case, a better page to target to Mustard (condiment) would be Mustard (sauce). Colgatepony234 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I'm not too sure on this one. I'm inclined to think that since people interested in sauces incorporating mustard may want additional information on that main ingreident... we maybe should just leave this alone. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep unless someone feels like writing up a list article of mustard based sauces, but I doubt that would stand as an article. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 00:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I've went ahead and created Mustard (sauce). casualdejekyll 03:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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Vivicam3915
- Vivicam3915 → Vivitar#Current products (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This camera was never mentioned by name in the target article, even when the redirect was initially created. Unused otherwise. Streetlampguy301 (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a real product, and two other models ar elisted on the target page (idk why those two and not this one) And one of them was linked as a WP:SELFRED (which I just removed.) I suggest either Add to list and keep or bundle other redirect and delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid
- 1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid → Saphenamycin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is just a fragment of the full systematic name "6-[1-(2-Hydroxy-6-methylbenzoyl)oxyethyl]-1-phenazinecarboxylic acid", no evidence this part is actually used as a shortened form for this specific compound. However, some databases have a standard of inverting the name to give the class first, so for example PubChem has as a single synonymous term "1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid, 6-[1-[(2-hydroxy-6-methylbenzoyl)oxy]ethyl]-". Doesn't mean "1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid" is itself a synonym. DMacks (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The redirect refers to a different compound for which we do not currently have an article. The synonomous phenazine-1-carboxylic acid is mentioned in 8 articles and is red-linked in one. Delete until a stub can be created for the correct compound. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:53, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @DMacks: I'm not sure what would be the most common name for the compound. It looks like it may be Tubermycin B. It is also known as Shenqinmycin. CAS refers to it as 1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid. Based on a quick perusal, it looks the status quo on WP favors the Phenazine-1-carboxylic acid syntax, e.g. Anthracene-9-carbaldehyde, Naphthalene-2-sulfonic acid if it lacks a trivial name. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Old Catholic Confederation
- Old Catholic Confederation → Old Catholic Church#Old Catholic Confederation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It is the name of a specific independent, non-notable organisation (whose website is this) which is not mentioned at the target anymore.
Therefore, I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 18:52, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Peculiarities of the genocide of the Tutsis in regards to other genocides
- Peculiarities of the genocide of the Tutsis in regards to other genocides → Rwandan genocide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Peculiarities of the genocide of the Tutsis in regard to other genocides → Rwandan genocide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely search term, not a proper name of a published paper nor is this dimension of the genocide really discussed in detail at the target. Originally created as an article outline in 2005, but no content was ever added other than an infobox, and it was converted to a redirect later that year. Deletion seems appropriate until if/when an article specifically analyzing the Rwandan genocide in comparison to other genocides can be written. signed, Rosguill talk 18:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons outlined above, though even if we were to make a page on comparisons I doubt we’d use this title. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Anna Mamalat
- Anna Mamalat → Texas A&M Aggies#Tennis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Former A&M tennis player not mentioned at the target, briefly mentioned at the articles for a few tournaments she competed in. Deleting to allow for search results seems most appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 18:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Gideon Richards
- Gideon Richards → John Holmes (actor) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A very confusing redirect. I clicked on this name from Fitz Hughes Predators expecting to get an article on this footballer but instead was redirected to an article on a pornographic actor in which 'Gideon Richards' isn't even mentioned once! Looking at John Holmes' credits, I can't even see that he ever played a character of this name so have no idea why this redirect was created in 2007. This redirect does not benefit the encyclopaedia in any way so should be deleted. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Part of a now-deleted WP:EASTEREGG. At best with WP:AGF, this is a product of gross confusion, coming from now-removed content in Charlie Rose (talk show) about a different John Holmes (UN official John T. Holmes), and repurposing the Gideon Richards red link there. No evidence of a Gideon Richards connected to the Charlie Rose show or either John Holmes. • Gene93k (talk) 09:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Calvis Harris
- Calvis Harris → Calvin Harris (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seems implausible. If you actually typed this in and the redirect didn't exist "Calvin Harris" would immediately pop up in suggestions. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - not a frequent enough misspelling to warrant a redirect Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, this would be quite an unusual misspelling. BD2412 T 00:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
5o Cent
Seems like an unlikely search term Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- why not? doesnt hurt to have it -- FMSky (talk) 17:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I dont know why it exists but its been here since 2011, and has a max of 90 views/mo, and not a hurtful. Keep Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep {{R from typo}} -- the "o" key is next to the "0" key on QWERTY keyboards -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Middlesborough in the 2010 general election
- Middlesborough in the 2010 general election → Middlesbrough in the 2010 general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The underlying redirect to ToryBoy The Movie is fine but this one was misspelt on setup – it should only have been Middlesbrough. I can't see any point in keeping this one, which seems to have been a pure mistake rather than an attempt to catch a misspelling. Do we need this one? DBaK (talk) 11:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously fix the double redirect, and tag {{R avoided double redirect}}, but I think it is a plausible misspelling. Keep Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a vaguely plausible misspelling, yes – I know this as someone who spends a certain amount of time fixing Middlesboroughs that are not in Kentucky. But if you start typing it you get shown the right possibilities quickly enough, and we cannot provide a redirect to cover every possible mistake for Middlesbrough, which has many articles – that way would lie madness. Why keep this one, which wasn't even created to help with an existing Middlesb[o]rough situation, but just by accident? I don't feel that strongly, I just don't get it and don't see why we don't just cull the silly one as adding nothing of value to the encyclopaedia. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:34, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Middlesbrough (UK Parliament constituency) imo. Don't see how the film is the primary topic. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 07:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why keep the accidentally misspelt one at all? It was literally never meant to exist! It is not an attempt to help with misspelling – it is itself a spelling screwup, pure and simple. People seem to want to talk about the targeting but that is not the question I raised. Does anyone want to address that please?
- And yes I know it does not really matter at all, and we are unlikely to run out of server space over it. I'm just a bit gobsmacked that we haven't really addressed the question I raised ... Best to all, DBaK (talk) 07:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I think this is a highly plausible misspelling. Why it was created isn't entirely relevant in that regard. Note also that generally you shouldn't be moving redirects per WP:MOVEREDIRECT. I'm not sure if the best target is ToryBoy The Movie or Middlesbrough (UK Parliament constituency)#Elections in the 2010s however I'm leaning towards ToryBoy The Movie simply because the correctly spelt redirect wasn't included in the nomination and they should both target the same place. A7V2 (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks very much for that. OK I get it re the "plausible misspelling" ... I guess I am just a bit surprised, and feel that we do not need a parallel misspelt redirect for every Middlesbrough article but never mind: I will get over it. I didn't know about WP:MOVEREDIRECT so thanks for that. As for the correctly spelt one not being nominated ... I didn't nominate it for anything as I don't care about its existence, so I have no position on where it should go. Others may but, having tried and failed to get the (imo) silly one deleted, I will leave the targeting concern to others. Thanks for explaining it to me so clearly. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:52, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Parmotrema tinctorum
- Parmotrema tinctorum → Parmotrema (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted because Parmotrema tinctorum is a species, not a genus. In addition, the page parmotrema does not have any information on Parmotrema tinctorum so it might cause confusion for users. Roostery123 (talk) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete better to have a red-link to encourage creation of an actual article. Plantdrew (talk) 14:17, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Seems like a valid {{R from species to genus}}? And maybe {{R with possibilities}}. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)e
Polymer impregnation
- Polymer impregnation → Plastination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Polymer impregnating → Porosity sealing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These targets seem too specific for these terms, and these redirects should likely target the same place. I am not sure about what the best broader target may be. Impregnation appropriately redirects to Fertilisation where a hatnote directs users to Waterproofing as apparently the only other use of this broad term. A better target is needed, or perhaps some sort of disambiguation. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I prefer a disambig over a redirect any day. I am not really certain of what your argument or solution is but... Krj373*(talk), *(contrib) 02:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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Green state
- Green state → Robyn Eckersley#The Green State (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous term. I've seen "green state" to refer to states where the Green Party has control, states that are environmentally friendly, or states where cannabis is legal. Given the wide variety of uses I've seen for the term, this does not seem to be the ideal target. Either delete or cross-redirect to Wiktionary. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as vague and ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:green state, which lists two of the nom's definitions. People may search "green state" here, but they might be WP:ASTONISHed to end up at the target. Regards, SONIC678 05:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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Retarget toKeep at Robyn_Eckersley#The_Green_State where the term green state is described. --Lenticel (talk) 06:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)- Delete as per Shhhnotsoloud and WP:SSRT. Veverve (talk) 06:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Green state should become an article or be redirected to Green politics Loremaster (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - it does appear to be ambiguous, and I also found an article using it in the political science sense that predates the 2004 article at the target [13]. signed, Rosguill talk 20:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it's ambiguous there can be a disambiguation page. Until another use is added it can be a redirect. 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Green party and cannabis contexts don't really lend themselves to dab entries, but are nevertheless possible as search terms; allowing for internal search results is thus preferable, IMO. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is when there is nothing with the title. "Green state redirects here, for other uses see wikt:green state" is possible. There is nothing about cannabis in search results or in wikt:green state so is there something that can be added? 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Green party and cannabis contexts don't really lend themselves to dab entries, but are nevertheless possible as search terms; allowing for internal search results is thus preferable, IMO. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it's ambiguous there can be a disambiguation page. Until another use is added it can be a redirect. 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between the current target to which The Green State redirects, and Eco-nationalism to which Green nationalism redirects (and which also covers green politics). Deletion to aid internal search results does not help as there are thousands of entries, all pointing to Bowling Green State University. Could not find a reference of the term in context of cannabis legalization on enwiki. Jay (talk) 06:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Soft redirect to wikt:Green state, seems plausible. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - The idea of some area being "a green state" is a general one that can relate to multiple articles. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:04, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
June 3
Fienberg-Fisher Elementary School
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Itali-Slavs
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Balochki language
- Balochki language → Saraiki language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Balochki → Saraiki language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, zero hits on Google Scholar, seems more likely to be a misspelling off Balochi language than anything else, but I may be missing something due to lack of familiarity with the topic. First choice is retarget to Balochi language, pending other arguments. signed, Rosguill talk 18:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Balochi language per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 18:36, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- It can be seen from Google Books results that this is an obscure and obsolete term has been used for both Saraiki and Balochi. This means that the options for us to choose from are deletion and disambiguation. (I'm adding the related Balochki to the nomination). – Uanfala (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Ooh, it's am
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2022 Russian invasion
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HM The King & HM The Queen
- HM The King → King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM King → King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM The Queen → Queen regnant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM Queen → Queen regnant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These terms are not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear why they target their current target. For reference, HM The King has also targeted Monarch and Monarchy during its history. For the two terms at search terms on third party web sites, "HM King" returns results for Henrietta King and "HM The King" returns results for a probably unnotable scotch/whiskey blend. Steel1943 (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Retarget to Majesty, which explains this manner of address and the abbreviation. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Should HM The Queen and HM Queen be added to this discussion? They both target Queen regnant. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Mx. Granger: Sounds like a plan to me, so I've added them. In regards to why I chose to add them, it's the same reason as my response to the "weak retarget" comment above: WP:XY issues between Majesty and Queen regnant. Steel1943 (talk) 20:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the Kings; Retarget the Queens to Queen because "Queen" is ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep HM The King and HM The Queen (while retargeting the latter to Queen), because they are in fact titles that are used when referring to various European (and in some instances non-European) monarchs and their consorts. Delete both HM King and HM Queen as they are both grammatically incorrect. Keivan.fTalk 04:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget HM The King to Majesty. A search for this term is almost certainly looking for an explanation of the HM component. The "King" component is likely understood by all, but in any case is linked early in the proposed target. Delete HM King per Keivan.f. Likewise for the Queen redirects. SpinningSpark 22:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Spinningspark: can you elaborate on what you meant by "likewise"? Do you want to go with Keivan.f for the Queen redirects? Jay (talk) 06:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, I meant repeat everything I already said but with "Queen" substituted for "King". That is, retarget HM the Queen to Majesty and delete HM Queen. SpinningSpark 08:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Spinningspark: can you elaborate on what you meant by "likewise"? Do you want to go with Keivan.f for the Queen redirects? Jay (talk) 06:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget all to Majesty; a reader who searches for any of these terms is presumably looking to find out what "HM" means in this context or learn about royal forms of address. If a reader wanted to read about kings or queens in general they would more likely search for "king" or "queen". The fact that some of the redirects may be grammatically incorrect is irrelevant; they're still plausible search terms. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 11:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Monomaсh's Cap
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Draft:Gay men flags
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Thomas Robb (activist)
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Ephiel tower
- Ephiel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Efel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ephel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiphel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiffell tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Effle tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Effl tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Fl tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiffel towre → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Uncommon misspellings. These are "plausible" I suppose so don't qualify for R3. Just doesn't seem very useful to clog our wikilink suggestions and search results with 10 of these though. Note that "towre" looks British at first glance, but my googling indicates that it isn't British, just obsolete. Suggest delete all. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Eiffell tower. Delete Fl, Effl, Effle? I don't have a comment on the rest. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 10:50, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep as {{R from misspelling}} especially for simple typos like Eiffell tower / Eiffel towre / Eiffle tower / Effel tower -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 05:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all. Different combinations with minor variations, all recently created by one user and at the same time. Jay (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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Stirrer (cooking)
- Stirrer (cooking) → Mixer (appliance) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vague redirect. There are several items related to "cooking" that could be used to stir, and neither the current target or any other target (to my knowledge) could specifically be called a "stirrer". Steel1943 (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete there are automatic pot stirrers which are not mixers/eggbeaters/dough kneaders -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- keep. I came to this word when processing food and drink data (for the Europeana food and drink project). It's a legitimate food related term. The best target that exists is the current one. The page Mixer (appliance) seems to describe any food mixer, its not limited to egg or dough mixing. I suggest to the previous poster to add a section about pot stirring. Furthermore, "stirring" and "mixing" are synonymous in this context. The only other page mentioning "stirrer" is Magnetic stirrer, which is clearly not appropriate for food. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 07:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I noticed the fact that Stirrer and Stirrer (cooking) both existed prior to making this nomination, as well as the fact that the target of Stirrer has no {{Redirect}} hatnote on it, which it should since Stirrer (cooking) exists. In all honesty, there's probably no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC redirect target for the phrase "Stirrer" in the first place, and the base page probably needs to become a disambiguation page, deleted, or converted to a set index (in that order). However, in regards to the use of the "(cooking)" disambiguator: My initial concern still stands since there are whisks and several spoon-related topics which could also be referred to as "stirrers" since they can be and/or are used to stir. Steel1943 (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Turn Stirrer into a disambiguation page and delete Stirrer (cooking) as unnecessary. The term is too general to ever have a meaningful redirect target. SpinningSpark 12:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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Terry Pearce
- Terry Pearce → List of Test cricket umpires (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous redirect. Many other non-notable people with the same name exist and are mentioned at Hampstead Scientific Society#Hampstead Observatory, 2016 World Masters Athletics Championships Men#M60 2000 metres steeplechase, Australia at the 1992 Paralympic Games for Persons with Mental Handicap#Futsal, and 2015 Bracknell Forest Borough Council election.
A disambiguation page is not suitable; the search function will be more useful and maintainable if readers are looking for one of these individuals. BilledMammal (talk) 00:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Notcharizard, Schwede66, NealeWellington, Sammyrice, Wjemather, NZFC, NiklausGerard, Rugbyfan22, No Great Shaker, Ficaia, Alvaldi, StickyWicket, and Rhododendrites: Ping AFD participants, in line with this notification. BilledMammal (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose While the AfD said that there was "no clear consensus on a redirect", WP:COMMONSENSE would support the redirect over the other people with this name, none of whom have an article either. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Can you explain why the redirect should go here, rather to other people with this name? BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose any change I think, partly because I don't really understand what's up for discussion here. The incoming links seem clean to me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Because there are many other equally valid targets. Readers searching for one of them will be astonished to end up at List of Test cricket umpires. BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts and Blue Square Thing. Terry Pearce was a Test cricket umpire so the target page is entirely appropriate. We don't have any other articles about anyone with this name (or Terence Pearce) so, as Lugnuts says, the current solution is the common sense one. I fail to see how this can be an issue. Thanks for the ping, btw. NGS Shakin' All Over 10:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support deletion, as there are several other "Terry Pearces" mentioned in different articles, and I don't think this particular Terry Pearce is any more notable than the others. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Subject was the main Terry Pearce article, there was a suitable list article to redirect to too save the article history per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't believe we can go from now having no article about the person to now not even having a redirect from them. There is other Terry Pearce out there but they didn't previously have an article and we should be saving the history of the previously created one.— NZFC(talk)(cont) 20:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given that this individual is not notable, why does previously having an article mean that they should have a redirect when it risks astonishing readers looking for the builder, the runner, or the politician? I also note that preserving this redirect will not preserve the history - that has already been deleted. BilledMammal (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There's no need for a disambiguation page between people without articles, but given this is ambiguous it should be deleted. A7V2 (talk) 02:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous, or create disambiguation page. It is unsurprising that some members of the cricket project would want the redirect to go to a cricket article, but none of the people mentioned in WP articles are sufficiently notable for a standalone article and there is no evidence to suggest this umpire should be the primary topic and that readers would be looking for him above any of the others; indeed most readers may be surprised to find themselves looking at a list of umpires. Arguments about article history are invalid since the article was deleted at AFD, confirming the lack of notability of the umpire; and the incoming redirects are there due to the deleted article, so they have no relevance either. A redlink is preferred in these situations. wjematherplease leave a message... 06:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Don't see why not; a dab page between non-articles is okay. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I supported a redirect in the AfD, but if there are other lists that include non-notable individuals by the same name, that we've recently decided this Terry Pearce isn't notable isn't a good reason to declare this Terry Peace more notable than the others. No opinion on disambiguating -- other people have a better sense of the style rules around dabs than I do. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION. -- Tavix (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate per consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22#Arthur Harley. Strong oppose keeping, as it makes no sense; there's no reason to make one non-notable target more prominent than other equally valid and equally non-notable ones. eviolite (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per eviolite. Also, aside from the two other non-notable individuals with this exact name, there's also two articles for people with homophonous names (Terry Peirce and Terry Pierce) who should go in the WP:DABSEEALSO section; seems to be too much for a hatnote at the current target, and is more helpful to readers than deletion given that the homophonous names won't show up in search results. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 23:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete No clear primary target, and there is no need for disambiguation when there are no articles. As per nom, the search function is enough. Avilich (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
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Tiquan Forbes
- Tiquan Forbes → Chicago White Sox minor league players#Ti'Quan Forbes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 10#Ti'Quan_Forbes Joeykai (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is that Forbes is no longer part of the White Sox, thus making the redirect useless. So, the redirect should be to his current team, which is the Arizona Diamondbacks, in a section could be written, or previous bio could be restored and revised. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I can make the section under the page Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players that is about Forbes, if needed. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not. These pages are not meant for just every minor league player. Just notable ones and Forbes is in no way notable to be on there.-- Yankees10 01:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can make the section under the page Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players that is about Forbes, if needed. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Useless re-direct.-- Yankees10 01:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players#Double-A where he is mentioned. Jay (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Special:Search/Ti'Quan Forbes. I'm being mildly facetious here, but that is arguably a better option than rolling a die to choose one of six targets, or leading readers to this uselessness. J947 † edits 22:16, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
West England
- Western England → West of England (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- West England → West of England (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Looking at the map on the article, this looks like too narrow of a target for this redirect. feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 04:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The hatnote indicates a
retargetto West Country is in order. However, I would like someone from the UK to check the appropriateness of that; I am unsure whether further north and less westward parts of England are also included in such a definition. Bundled in West England, which targets the same place. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)- Delete per below. J947 † edits 22:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I created the redirect Western England to fix a redlink in Phonological history of English close front vowels - diff. It's in use there and in History of Wales. The "phonology" article distinguishes between Southern England and Western England. The lead of Southern England says that it includes the West Country (roughly, southwest England below the Severn). Western England is therefore different from the West Country, and retargetting there would be very wrong. The "history" article is talking about the area of England east of modern Wales, north of the Severn.
- I agree that the current target is wrong (and I can't think why I pointed Western England there): West of England is a modern regional authority within the West Country. Retarget both to West Midlands (region), which is broadly the part of England immediately east of Wales. Narky Blert (talk) 07:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to West Country, as the most appropriate page for the geographical west of England. Andysmith248 (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The West Country is in Southern England. Narky Blert (talk) 11:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete both as too vague and too ambiguous to be useful and unlink from, or repipe, the articles it appears in. Neither term, as far as I know, has ever had anything approaching a specific meaning. SpinningSpark 12:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Weak Delete The current redirect to West of England is just wrong. The West of England is just a rebranded name for the former county of Avon and part of Western England rather than the whole, so is an inappropriate redirect. West Country would be a better redirect but as others have pointed Western England or West England could refer to more northernly areas of Western England as well. Eopsid (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete both - neither terms have been well-defined in reliable sources and any redirection to other articles on areas smaller than the entire Western half of England will create more confusion for readers than search results. SamWilson989 (talk) 21:24, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:45, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Indianapolis explosion
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Surf beach
- Surf beach → Surf, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Surf Beach → Surf, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I added a hatnote to the current target to the Australian localities of Surf Beach, New South Wales and Surf Beach, Victoria but am wondering what, if anything, is the primary topic for this term. It seems very generic, and could simply refer to a beach where people surf? When Surf beach was created it was a redirect to Beach. Also note the only current article to link to either is Woodside Beach, Victoria which links to Surf Beach clearly in the generic sense. A7V2 (talk) 09:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: At the time the redirects were created, the NSW and Victoria pages did not exist yet. As noted, Surf beach was originally created as a redirect to Beach, but I changed it in 2014 after I was reverted for adding a corresponding Template:Redirect on Beach per WP:DIFFCAPS. AFAIK going through Category:Surfing locations, there is no other generic article or list that is specifically about "beaches where people surf", and there cannot be dictionary definitions listed. Of course, it would be fairly easy to be bold and remove the redirect and create a disambiguation page now. All three do not get very much daily page views, a primary topic based on usage is not statistically significant.[14] My question is whether do the NSW and Victoria pages even pass WP:NGEO to warrant separate pages at this time? The only sources cited on those two pages is census information, the geographical names board, and OpenStreetMap without any other independent, third-party reliable sources. But that is probably for another discussion venue. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- I can't (or at least won't...) comment on the notability of the two Australian articles except to say for the Victorian one I never knew it was a locality before seeing the article, just a beach. Yes I think a DAB would work. There's no wikitionary entry so we could either put at the top something like "A surf beach is a beach commonly used for surfing...", or just go straight to "Surf beach may refer to..." and then list beach and surfing under see also, perhaps accompanied by Beach (disambiguation) and Surfing (disambiguation). A7V2 (talk) 04:05, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment. I'm open to converting to a dab page for now, based on User:A7V2's suggestion to list the three localities, then beach and surfing in the see also section. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support the proposed dab to the three locations and the see also section for "beach" and "surfing" --Lenticel (talk) 02:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- DABify according to Lenticel, as the expressions are ambiguous. Veverve (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Mindanao State University - Marawi (main)
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Broward County John Doe (1979)
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Green Book (Tibetan document))
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Sliders, Part One (Sliders episode))
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Gio (Gio (singer))
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Sin Tí (Yolandita Monge song))
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Margaret of France (1553–1615))
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Cupid.27s Chokehold
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Oklahoma festival shooting
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Cache in general
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"John"
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Economic number
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ꑭ
- ꑭ → wiktionary:ꑭ (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:SSRT and per just ... why? It's a word in a different language, just like there are millions of words. Fram (talk) 07:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Due to the ongoing Siege of Mariupol (where fighters of the Azov Battalion have been surrounded by the Russian Armed Forces), ꑭ has become a recent Twitter trend, and there's no applicable Wikipedia article for it, so I thought it'd probably be of benefit to create a soft redirect to Wiktionary in case curious readers came looking for it. That's the full extent of my rationale, essentially. --benlisquareT•C•E 07:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- For some extra info, see Ідея нації and Wolfsangel#Post World War II symbolism; people are using ꑭ to represent that symbol in text as it looks similar. It is for sure a plausible search term, though I don't know much about wiktionary redirects so I'll leave it to someone else to !vote on what the appropriate action is. Endwise (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- (ec)If you created this because people might be looking for Wolfsangel but mistakenly, somehow, use the Yi character instead, then why not change this Wiktionary redirect into a redirect to Wolfsangel? Your reasoning seem to be that people are looking for this, using this symbol as a search term (as it is a Twitter tag), and then you would deliberately send them to a Wiktionary page they have no interest in? That makes no sense or at least isn't reader-friendly. Fram (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, a redirect to Wolfsangel could potentially work as well. The Unicode Consortium doesn't consider ꑭ a wolfsangel, however; it fits within the Sichuan Yi Syllables codeblock at codepoint U+A46D. I'll leave it up to everyone else to decide where the redirect should go (or whether it should be redirected at all). I've considered amending wikt:ꑭ to add a short mention regarding the Azov usage, however ultimately opted not to because the rule of thumb provided at wikt:Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion is minimum of one year of attested usage, and ꑭ has not been used for more than a month in the Azov sense. --benlisquareT•C•E 08:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yi_script#Modern_Yi as a character in that script, with a {{distinguish}} hatnote to Wolfsangel. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment seems to me that this is a Neologism, so WP:NEO is the appropriate guideline. Clearly there are hundreds of twitter posts with the hashtag, but only 12 hits in google news (and none in English), so a redirect somewhere content-related is clearly in order. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Ian (The Haunted House)
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Antrim North (Dail Eireann constituency)
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2005–06 in line with lead article
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Dansou
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Youssef Zidan
- Youssef Zidan → Kunal Nayyar#Career (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a weird case. This redirect refers to a fictional character, but points to the actor's article. List of NCIS characters and NCIS (season 4) do not mention the character, either. I'd rather redirect to the former, but I imagine some people would want it gone as the article doesn't mention the character by name. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 16:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Certainly not what Nayyar is known for, and, in the context of NCIS, a minor character who only appeared in one episode. GrindtXX (talk) 16:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment n.b. the current target does mention the Youssef Zidan role, not sure I see the harm in keeping at the moment. signed, Rosguill talk 20:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Minor fictional character. Instead retarget to Youssef Ziedan as {{R from misspelling}} and remove the hatnote from there to avoid self-redirect. Jay (talk) 09:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Dasheng
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Shell Cottage
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Licorice wand
- Licorice wand → Places in Harry Potter#Hogsmeade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else in the project (under either UK or US spelling). "Places in Harry Potter" seems like a very odd target for a sweet. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well it really is pointing at the Village not at the list. But still Delete per nom Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Not mentioned at target article nor anywhere else on EnWiki. There is, however, Liquorice (confectionery) which does feature some wand-like liquorice on an image, but I'm not sure if it would be helpful to retarget there. CycloneYoris talk! 06:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- The redirect was the result of a merge. Content (only one line though) was moved to target, and later removed, but is available in the history. Jay (talk) 07:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Griphindor
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Just War Theory Doctrine wikipage
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The Coalition
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Z Street
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Gilman Hot Springs, ca
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Czechoslovak
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Horse racer
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Real vampires
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Dendrobaena veneta
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Big Bang Theory
- Big Bang Theory → The Big Bang Theory (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 February 21 § Big Bang Theory – Housekeeping keep
Ngrams shows that prior to the release of the TV show this capitalization had about half the uses of the more common "Big Bang theory". Given the frequent use of this capitalization for the theory, the clear primary topic by long term significance for "Big Bang Theory" is the theory, and the redirect should be retargeted there. BilledMammal (talk) 11:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: a check of "Big Bang Theory" on Google scholar shows that many of the references are specific to the TV show, rather than the scientific theory. I'm not sure that results prior to the release of the TV show are relevant now. Praemonitus (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support for the retarget to Big Bang theory per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:54, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom and long-term significance. In general, we should not distinguish redirects by capitalization alone except in clear-cut cases, to avoid confusing readers who are likely to assume that searching won't be case-sensitive. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Praemonitus's comment. A majority of users searching the all uppercase are seeking the show, and redirects should be setup to help the most users reach the desired content more quickly. Lowercase versions Big Bang theory and Big bang theory appropriately target Big Bang. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:SMALLDETAILS. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- WP:SMALLDETAILS doesn't apply here - per ngrams, this capitalization is frequently used to refer to the theory and doesn't have a distinct meaning. BilledMammal (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget: Primary long-term signifigance is the scientific theory. --Spekkios (talk) 10:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Given the ambiguity of the title, it should point to a disambiguation page. Retarget to Big Bang Theory (disambiguation) or move the latter to overwrite the redirect. – McDutchie (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Now that we have disambiguation in the discussion, I have added the previous RfD. Also, I have listed the RfD on the talk page of Big Bang Theory (disambiguation) which had extensive RfC and RM discussions on the topic.
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- Retarget to Big Bang Theory (disambiguation). Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 20:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to the disambiguation page. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 15:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- If this title is going to refer to the disambiguation page then Big Bang Theory (disambiguation) should be moved to this tile, as redirecting to it would result in a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page. This really is one of those cases where you can make reasonable arguments either way, from what I can tell the TV show appears to be the primary topic on the web and in traditional news media, in books it's a bit more split with some mentions of the scientific theory and in academic literature there's a significant amount of mentions of both. There's also the various concerns about WP:RECENTISM and what have you to consider. On the overall balance I think disambiguation is probably the way to go as an inherently ambiguous search term. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Emily Collier
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Taking
- Taking → Theft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Taking (law) → Eminent domain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects should point to the same target, or converted to a disambiguation page if there is no primary topic, as the disambiguator on the second is insufficient. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: The first was unilaterally retargeted from Eminent domain by Gaioa (talk · contribs) on January 14. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- DABify per nom. Veverve (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Target both to eminent domain. I don't see an indication that taking is a common synonym for theft, and while lots of articles include taking in their title, they all appear to be WP:PTMs. The Take, Taken, and Took are disambiguation pages, but don't include any items titled taken. It does not appear to be an ambiguous term. - Eureka Lott
- (Re)target both to Eminent domain per Eureka Lott, where Takings targets as well. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- setindexify between eminent domain and revenue, since the wikt:takings of a business is its revenue -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Taking. As I recall, kidnapping has also historically been referred to as "taking" (as has being selfish in a relationship). I would still consider the primary purpose of Taking (law) to be Eminent domain, and would keep that redirect. BD2412 T 06:36, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate - "Taking" can mean the theft of something by a criminal, the seizing of a place by a military occupation, the kidnapping of an individual, and more. I agree that we should be thorough here. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:50, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A disambiguation draft will help.
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- Drafted, which can now serve as the destination for takings and taking (law) -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 05:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have added the plural to the draft to accomodate takings. I could not find a mention of taking or takings at one of the dab entries Revenue. Should there be a redirect for Business takings? Jay (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Barrier Islands of New Jersey
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Musical Genres/Hip
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L'Affaire Lafarge
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Pilot (The Gifted)
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Private information
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Seth Bogart
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Carmen LoPorto
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"beIN Sports Xtra"
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MAGA
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World's Most Wanted
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English Clasico
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Surf beach
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Kalimna
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Ukrainian Genocide
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One-Eyed Jack (murder victim)
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DNA experiments
- DNA experiments → Scientific method#DNA-experiments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- DNA experiment → Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
The current target of this redirect is rather surprising/astonishing since it's not about the actually subject of "DNA experiments", leads to a subject named "DNA experiment", or a list of experiments using DNA. I would have to believe there's a better target, but I'm not sure what. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: For reference, a search for the term "DNA experiment" (DNA experiment doesn't exist) returns several examples of experiments that utilize DNA. In regards to an actual retargeting option for this redirect, what seems to be the best option I found is List of experiments#Biology, but even that does't seem to be good enough since the section includes several experiments not directly related to DNA. Possibly deletion would be the better option here so the search results are not hidden by an existing redirect forwarding readers to a specific page. Steel1943 (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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- ...Umm, not sure how that addresses any part of my concerns with the redirect, but okay, thanks. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I found a short article which has a context section: Shot/reverse shot#Context Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 11:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I thought a redirect was supposed to aid in finding a topic. For example if Soldiers have an informal name for an Army topic, wouldn't it be helpful to create a redirect for the informal name? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So if a redirect to a page such as DNA experiment (scientific method) would satisfy the requirement? I could then create an anchor to the appropriate place in Scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually I saw some of the experiments from the DNA story in this list. DNA is the seed topic for whole industries now. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 22:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) ...And in regards to a page named "DNA experiment (scientific method)", that is disambiguation. One of the basic assumed requirements of a disambiguated title is that the version of it without disambiguation exists, and presently, DNA experiment doesn't exist. Steel1943 (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thus "List of experiments in biology" resembles a disambiguation page, but might actually describe the arc of a narrative? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So how does this redirect case RFD differ from DNA#History? What if DNA experiment were to become a disambiguation page to List of experiments on DNA; Scientific method; DNA#History ?--Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 01:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I can see how concerns about the redirect to a crucial experiment would cover up search results, but wouldn't a disambiguation page (sample above) handle this? Why can't I just start writing such a dab page? Is the rationale for this page meant to include other editors? --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 02:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- So I ran the Nominator's search for DNA experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=DNA+experiment&ns0=1&ns9=1&ns11=1 , and found a useful list which could be exploited (it's actually the first time I have found the Wikipedia Search to be usable): What I refer to is the type of Narrative paradigm called a crosscut, itself a disambiguator page. There is a sport on the Internet called the Wikipedia game, in which every article in the encyclopedia seems to have a root page: philosophy. This game has led to some users to actually edit encyclopedia articles, to keep the Narrative alive. In turn, other editors intervene, to break the chain to philosophy, in a battle between good and evil, an infinite game, or the conflict continuum#Competition continuum, or the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 09:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Genetic engineering. I can't make sense of the above discussion or the current state of the Scientific method article, but genetic engineering, to me, seems like the obvious topic someone who entered "DNA experiments" in the search box would be looking for. Tevildo (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Proposed Retarget: Added genetic engineering, and additional links, to a new target, a section Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis, as an application of the new understanding opened up in succeeding decades, after its discovery by the scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 07:06, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting to add DNA experiment to this discussion. It was created during the course of this discussion and I would think it should have the same home as the plural form.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of molecular biology, which has the most in-depth information I can find on various experiments relating to DNA. -- Tavix (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to genetic engineering. When I saw the phrase "DNA experiment", genetic engineering was exactly what I thought of. Minkai (boop that talk button!-contribs-ANI Hall of Fame) 00:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of molecular biology, as examples have been given of DNA experiments that do not involve genetic engineering. Deletion would also be ok in my opinion. signed, Rosguill talk 20:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Participants have yet to decide which target is best. Is it Genetic engineering or History of molecular biology?
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- Retarget - I would also take this to 'history of molecular biology' given that scientific research on the practical side into DNA has preceded what we tend to think of as specific 'genetic eingeering'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both. "DNA experiment" is simply too ambiguous to be a good redirect. It could refer to many different types of methodologies/techniques as well as numerous historically important results. Disambiguation doesn't make sense because "DNA experiment" isn't really a specific term that could refer to multiple specific things, instead it is a plausible search term, and we should let the search function do its job, as a disambiguation page could never be exhaustive. That said, since the discussion is trending toward retargeting somewhere, History of molecular biology seems like a superior target to Genetic engineering, as genetic engineering is much too specific (lots of scientific work, past and present, that could be described as a "DNA experiment" is outside the context of genetic engineering). Mdewman6 (talk) 01:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete DNA experiment which was created as part of this discussion to aid as a disambiguation page, but which wound up as redirect to another target (a new unreferenced section). Delete DNA experiments as a term that can potentially target multiple targets. Both Genetic engineering and History of molecular biology are too broad. If retargeting, I would have preferred refining to Genetic engineering#Research. Jay (talk) 04:02, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Duck Ponds
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Hölder conjugates
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Functional analyst
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Extreme porn
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Extreme cold
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Extreme heat
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Betting odds
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Tiquan Forbes
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Chairman of the Board of Veterans' Appeals
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New Tretyakov Gallery
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African Star Treaty Alliance Group
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INLA
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Doctors (2016 TV series)
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I wanna die
- I wanna die → List of suicide crisis lines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Noble idea, but this is an unlikely search term. Chase (talk | contributions) 22:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- I want to say keep because it is doing no harm. It does probably violate a rule, but unless there seems like there would be a more suitable target it's a cheap redirect and I'll just invoke IAR because my argument is not policy based. TartarTorte 01:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
DeleteWeak delete. I see the good spirit in it, but it's not a title or subject match, and is essentially an Easter egg. Steel1943 (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)- Changed to "weak delete" since yeah, I definitely understand the WP:IAR reason to "keep" per everyone who has participated thus far, but it still has the non-encyclopedic issues I mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, for what it's worth, WP:SUICIDE redirects to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm, which includes a link to meta:Mental health resources. If this redirect is not deleted, we may want to consider redirecting readers to a page that is not an article so it seems more "official", such as one of the two aforementioned pages. Steel1943 (talk) 12:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Changed to "weak delete" since yeah, I definitely understand the WP:IAR reason to "keep" per everyone who has participated thus far, but it still has the non-encyclopedic issues I mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:IAR to save redirect which may help in suicide prevention.--06:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaranoFan (talk • contribs)
- Keep. There is a slight chance this redirect could help someone and I can't find anything when searching that this would be in the way of. So what we have is a redirect that at worst is harmless and at best could save a life. Given that, I cannot see any justification for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 07:57, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - While a noble effort, i believe that this is an unlikely search term, as shown by the two pageviews and the Google trends — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeartGlow30797 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR. I agree that we are building an encyclopedia but if there's a life on the line then I think we can temporarily ignore that. --Lenticel (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete while definitely well-intentioned, there is little to no chance of anybody searching for this phrase when looking for phone numbers, and trying to use WP:IAR as a basis for keeping is frankly just a cheap cop-out. It's not beneifical at all and makes no sense to have redirects whose title cannot even be found within the target page (and I cannot think of a plausible place to implement it). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Keep, takes readers to the article they want/need to get to.— J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)- Strong Delete (or maybe disambiguate). Sorry, but I see a zero chance of someone trying to find a suicide hotline while typing this in. On the other hand, there are a few minor references of this phrase so search results would be better here (eg: Heavy Heavy Low Low, You'll Never Tame Me, Tales from Wyoming, 60 Second Wipe Out). I'd be open to disambiguating, but it'd be a bit too trivial for my tastes. -- Tavix (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep / retarget to something like Wikipedia:Responding_to_threats_of_harm - see WP:SUICIDE for a precedent. ObsidianPotato (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm, where readers would benefit from the information that this page provides, in case they do find themselves in need of seeking professional help. CycloneYoris talk! 08:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: too vague (e.g. title of numerous songs). Veverve (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The target is not the encyclopedic topic for this expression. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR as above - does no harm. Hentheden (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Don't keep the scientific jury is still out on whether crisis hotlines are effective are helpful at all; while well-intentioned, the current target is non-neutral and could come off as condescending. Deleting would be fine IMO, as would the retargeting suggestions. I could also see this being a crude but plausible attempt by a reader to find thee article for Suicide, so that can be considered as a possible target as well. signed, Rosguill talk 22:52, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Rosguill. I don't believe a CNR is helpful in this instance, as that info page is geared towards editors rather than readers – probably not helpful for readers to contact WMF or admins. eviolite (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment although I supported for keeping the target, I'm also fine with retargetting to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm. --Lenticel (talk) 01:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify. There are several articles that might see this useful as a dab page, including I Wanna Die in Los Angeles, Spawn (1997 film)#Soundtrack (which contains the song "No Remorse (I Wanna Die)"), and Reverence (song) (which infamously uses the phrase). I would think it fully appropriate to include a hatnote in the dab for WP:IAR reasons, but I think that the current hard redirect runs into WP:ASTONISH issues and wouldn't be significantly more effective at getting people to click on the suicide hotlines page than having the text in a hatnote on a dab page. — Mhawk10 (talk) 04:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. In the event someone is contemplating dying, this would actually be a useful redirect as although they might not be looking for this page exactly, it would indeed be helpful, just not in the "traditional" sense of Wikipedia. Case in point, WP:EMERGENCY provides a mental health resource link if the person on the page is in the same situation I described earlier. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 15:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- I hate to add another proposal here, but I think it could be a good compromise. Rosguill points out that Suicide is a plausible target here. That article has, by special community override in 2019 of WP:NODISCLAIMERS and MOS:HATNOTE, a hatnote link to Suicide prevention. In other words, retargeting to Suicide would still satisfy the core of what the keep side wants here, without some of the identified downsides of directing people to a particular kind of resource. As such, I suggest we retarget to Suicide. I'll note that, like Tavix, I see the potential DAB targets as not meriting a DAB here. But the same logic of this retarget suggestion could be applied to a DAB, just having its lede sentence be "I wanna die is a phrase often associated with desire to commit suicide, or even copying the hatnote from the suicide article (which also appears at Suicide methods). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:01, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate - This is a tough case. I'd prefer that, as stated above, we create a disguambiguation page, particularly since there's a semi-notable song with this title. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for lack of any other acceptable solution; the disamguation page does not work since every entry is either a PTM or does not mention the phrase and I don't find the IAR argument for keeping to be convincing. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Special military operation
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Googl
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Real vampires
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Dendrobaena veneta
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Colombian panda
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Greater Pakistan
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1959–60 Milwaukee Cardinals men's basketball team
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BoXed in (disambiguation)
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History of institutions
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Middle length staff
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😕
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 2 § Emoticon or Emoji? – provisionally retarget to Emoji without prejudice against retargeting to an article about the specific concept represented
It seems clear to me that this emoji does not represent confusion but disconfort or being upset. Therefore, the redirect should either a) be retargetted to Comfort as it is the same place where Discomfort leads and also because "uncomfortable" and "discomfort" are in bold in the lede, b) be retargeted to the Wiktionary entry 'upset', or c) be deleted if no good redirect is found. Veverve (talk) 12:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Just noting that "Confused face" is the official Unicode name for this. See [15]. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know who gave it this name, but this face does not look confused to me. Emojis (see the table at Emoji#Unicode blocks) seem to redirect to what they represent, not to the name given to them (WP:SURPRISE). Veverve (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Just to make sure my comment has a clear !vote associated with it. I'll also repeat what I said in a few other emoji related RfDs - deletion should never be a valid option. Gonnym (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As Gonnym said, this is the confused face emoji, and will appear differently depending on a user's platform. Its current target is consistent with how we treat similar emojis.- Eureka Lott 15:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. "Confused face" is closest to Confusion. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget or Delete - I agree with the nomination - on many devices, this makes little sense without further context or explanation. Sergecross73 msg me 20:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as it's officially known as "confused face" so the current target appears suitable. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment/query. While WP:UCRN is about article titles and not about redirects, I think the spirit of that policy is relevant here. In other words, just as we don't choose article titles based on "official names" of things, we shouldn't redirect emojis based on their "official names" but rather (1) based on how they're actually used, and (2) what's most likely to be of use to the reader. The problem is, I have no idea how this is actually used or what readers who search for emojis on Wikipedia are looking for. @Veverve: when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others? The latter would be a good case for retargeting, especially if examples can be found; the former not so much. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others?
: I would say yes to both. However, I found no Pew Research Center study on how this emoji was perceived, so the way I saw this emoji being used remains an anecdotal evidence. - None of the RSs discussing it are of any help:
- Dictionary.com states the emoji "expresses confusion but also a range of other emotions, including bafflement, displeasure, disappointment, mild sadness, and self-pity. All of that can be earnest … or it can be ironic, you decide."
- The Reader's Digest states: "We were surprised to find out that this emoji is called 'confused face,' but on further reflection, it does have an aura of bewilderment."
- Veverve (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Veverve. The fact we're bound to rely on anecdotal evidence here makes me lean towards deleting, but I'll wait and see if anyone else can offer any clarity. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
- As with @Arms & Hearts:, I am definitely sympathetic to the idea that it should perhaps reflect the most common meaning rather than just a redirect based on the name. However, if we don't have a single obvious meaning, perhaps a short disambig page would be practical? "😕 ("confused face") is an emoji which has multiple meanings, and may be used to refer to: confusion ; disappointment; sadness..."
- This would let us cope with the moderately ambiguous ones which don't rise to the level of needing a full article like 😂, and it avoids giving a strange result for the readers who do think it means confusion. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - how this appears in different font schemes is irrelevant. Unicode defines characters so that they have a universal set meaning upon investigation. That definition is generally what we follow; WP:EMOJI. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as the intended meaning. Do not disambiguate as such a page would be predicated entirely on original research. eviolite (talk) 11:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Arguments for keeping boil down to "it's the official name", which I find unconvincing for reasons laid out above, and I don't see any significant harm in deleting. Deleting also seems much more closely aligned with WP:EMOJI, which says redirects from emojis
are often kept if the character has a clear and definite meaning ... The outcome is usually deletion if the glyph is unclear
. There's no alternative target that would be obviously preferable to the current target, and I agree with Eviolite that a disambiguation page wouldn't be appropriate (so keeping would be my second choice). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC) - The current redirect isn't very useful. Despite its official name, it doesn't look very much like a confused face in my browser. Moreover, by landing at Confusion, the reader isn't keyed in on the fact that it even has an official meaning -- the redirection feels like an OR choice by a random editor. Unfortunately, by deleting the redirect we fail to provide even that information. This case would be best served by some kind of list of emojis, or a soft redirect to wikt:😕. Daß Wölf 23:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete while the official name may be confusion, the expressions it is actually used for are much broader. signed, Rosguill talk 06:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary wikt:😕, where readers can identify the emoji's official name. CycloneYoris talk! 23:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Can't see how this is useful. Segaton (talk) 17:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Pseudonorm
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Content filtering - Spam
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Extreme heat
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Extreme cold
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Extreme porn
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Functional analyst
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Hurricane Horntails
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Legalisation of illegal drugs
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Hölder conjugates
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Social unit
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List of royal visits by Queen Elizabeth II
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Settings in Battlestar Galatica
- Sagittaron → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sagittaron (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sagittaron(planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tauron (Battlestar Galactica) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aerelon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Canceron → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Virgon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Picon (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (fictional planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Libran → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Various planets and/or settings in the Battlestar Galatica universe that are not mentioned in the target article. It seems they all were previously redirects towards the former article Twelve Colonies, but there was consensus to redirect it to Battlestar Galatica per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Colonies (2nd nomination). At this point, without mention in the target article, readers attempting to locate specific information about the subjects of these redirects will be left with virtually nothing. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete "Sagittaron(planet)" incorrect disambiguation format -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Aerelon", "Virgon", "Tauron", "Sagittaron", "Gemenon" to Dirty Hands (Battlestar Galactica) where it is mentioned. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Picon" to Battlestar Galactica: The Plan where it is mentioned -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Convert "Libran" to a disambiguation page, there are people by this name with articles. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: There has been only one participant, and some entries have not been covered.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete almost all. These are very minor settings, and the proposed targets for some of them don't give enough information to warrant redirects. There's a bit of an WP:XY issue as well: for Gemenon, why Dirty Heads and not Flesh and Bone (Battlestar Galactica), Number Six (Battlestar Galactica), Caprica, Leoben Conoy, or Kara Thrace? Libran is a different situation and I have drafted a name index below the redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 00:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete all per Rosguill (talk · contribs) as acceptable default, except for disambiguating Libran, but especially the one with the malformatted disambiguator. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Erik Young
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Αγήνωρ
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Cosmic Evolution
North East Indian cuisine
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🐱🚀
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Sarbhangi
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Young Kindaichi’s Casebook
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Diphosphorus trisulfide
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SLAY
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Epitipe
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Letter of protest
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MOS:PSEUDOCODE
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Spit kingdom
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N.A.A.M. Brigade
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Sister Isle
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Urban division
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Joe D. Foster
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Red Line (MNRR New Canaan Branch)
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Blue Line (Staten Island Railway)
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2022 Chernihiv breadline massacre
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La Nueva
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G.I. Jane II
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Kav Kav
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Inbound marketing
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Supreme Leader of Myanmar
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Wikipedia:S
- Wikipedia:S → Help:Searching (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources, which is possibly the most important resource for newcomer content writers. Currently, WP:S is basically unused, way under the shadow of the main shortcut H:S. Excessive numbers of shortcuts defeat the benefit of shortcuts.
In contrast, Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources is probably the most important, undervalued section in the whole of the project for new content writers, and it has shortcuts that are hard to remember. This would be a much better use for WP:S.
If this is not shot down for a reason I don't expect, I will advertise this discussion on the relevant pages. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Convert to disambiguation page. A section of a subpage is too specialized for a one-letter shortcut. WP:S could mean a lot things and a cross-namespace redirect to Help:Searching is not the most natural. WP:S has a lot of incoming links but nearly all of them are from alphabetical lists of all one-letter WP shortcuts without saying where they go, so changing it doesn't break those uses. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Making a disambiguation page out of something that is essentially never used is just silly. Is the aim to make sure that such a high value shortcut remains unused?
- A section of of a subpage may sound "specialised", but this is part of the point. It is not "specialised" but centrally important to the most basic editor function on the project, writing content. This section, currently WP:RSPSS, is way out of balance in terms of how important it is to the prominence of its location. A single-character shortcut may be sufficient to fix that, and will certainly help. I considered suggesting WP:RSPSS be spun out to its own page, but decided against this, because, despite its standalone usefulness to content writing, its maintenance is extremely detailed and it should be boldly edited by newcomers without reading the extensive context present above.
- WP:S could mean a lot of things, but current doesn't. And what better meaning to give it than Sources for content? -- SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we pick a Sources target then it should be the same as WP:SOURCE and WP:SOURCES, meaning Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources. I'm fine with that. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I had looked at that and gave it some thought. In terms of Policy, WP:SOURCES is the root of policy on sources, but it is extremely limited to policy-wonk-thought, and it is not very good, notably in how it fails to adequately cross reference WP:PSTS (Primary, secondary and tertiary sources). Limited to Policy theory that is not immediately practical. It is a partial blurb on the theory that undies the source rules. In contrast, WP:RSPSS is the end result list that edits should consult.
- The shortcuts are not meant to be a content guide, but quick reference memorable shortcuts. Editors on the ground do not a quicker reference to the non-practical section of WP:V. They need it to get to the sources cheat sheet, WP:RSPSS.
- Also, having multiple catchy shortcuts pointing to the same thing is another waste of catchy shortcuts. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we pick a Sources target then it should be the same as WP:SOURCE and WP:SOURCES, meaning Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources. I'm fine with that. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep since this redirect has targeted the current page (or a redirect towards it leftover from page moves) since 2007. At this point, due to targeting the current page for about 15 years, there's too much potential for links in edit summaries to be broken in the event the redirect is retargeted. If necessary to disambiguate "S", Wikipedia:S (disambiguation) could be created, but that may be overkill; it may be better to just add a hatnote for 1–2 other possibilities that "WP:S" could refer to, and call it a day. Steel1943 (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- While I could not check ancient edit summaries, I did check many incoming links, and they are basically all junk. This shortcut was made without much thought, and never given any use. More than half seemed to be complete mistakes. If a future wikiarcheologist (like me) wants to discover what was going on with an odd talk page pipe, then it will be facilitated by the edit to the redirect including a link to this discussion. Archaeology doesn't mean "preserve everything", it is good enough to keep records.
- Putting a hatnote on pages that WP:S could point to, or has ever pointed to, is completely nutty if you note the pageviews. Nobody uses WP:S. Hatnotes make clutter in the prime real estate of the page. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- disambiguate per Prime Hunter -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per Steel1943 and Do not disambiguate as that makes the shortcut useless for everybody. I've spot-checked a number of the incoming links and they either refer to the current target, WP:SOURCE (which is not the proposed target) or are part of a list. Thryduulf (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Thryduulf. Agree, "Disambiguate" makes it useless for everybody, but "Keep" keeps it useless for everybody (a never used redundant option to the better H:S)
- I spot checked many incoming links, and many are mistakes, many are to an old ~2007 target, and all are unimportant. There basically never was any editing where people had a reason to write the wikilink WP:S as a shortcut to the help page for searching, it was silly then, and has been silly for many years. There are certainly far far more mistaken incoming links than intended proper uses (I found none).
- What is your desired outcome? That WP:S is forever junk? SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - the existing incoming links suggest that the current target is not particularly useful. signed, Rosguill talk 22:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate (draft available below the redirect). I've checked about a dozen incoming links: a third of them seemed to intend WP:SOURCE, a few were for Help:Search and the rest were for either WP:Summary style or WP:Synthesis. Definitely no prospect for a suitable target here. As for the objection that dabifying will make the shortcut useless for everybody: whatever target is otherwise chosen, the majority of uses will be wrong, and that's worse than being simply useless. SmokeyJoe, for the list of perennial sources, won't it make more sense to instead usurp WP:LPS or WP:PSL, or use WP:S/P (for Sources/perennial)? – Uanfala (talk) 21:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Uanfala, the point about draftifing making it useless for everyone is that it keeps it useless, as in "unused". No one will benefit a disambiguation because no one uses it. Of the incoming links that you checked, did you note how old they were, and where they were coming from? From around 2007, and from fairly confused talk threads, which I think was mostly because WP:S was never a recommended shortcut for anything, and the only uses it got were from people being careless. I checked a lot more than a dozen.
- It is currently available with no modern baggage. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here are all the existing uses where the shortcuts is piped [16] and where it's used on its own [17]. – Uanfala (talk) 12:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources because I like the idea of syncing it up with WP:SOURCES. I agree with Rosguill that the current target is not particularly useful, but I also agree with Thryduulf that disambiguating at this title would make it useless for everybody because it would no longer function as a shortcut. I do like Steel1943's idea of creating Wikipedia:S (disambiguation) which would catch the incorrect linkages and those who guess wrong. -- Tavix (talk) 01:35, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Tavix, Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources already has WP:SOURCES, and that section is not particularly useful, unlike my proposed target, which is very useful, should be used by every newcomer, and lacks a good shortcut. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, don't retagret as that will mean links for searching in discussion pages will end up at the wrong place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Strong keep - Projectspace shortcuts are ambiguous by their very nature. This long-standing single letter redirect should not be tampered with through retargeting or made to lose its function through disambiguating. This shortcut has pointed to content regarding searching since c. 2007. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry. Probably the most common search term. The others don't seem that common. interstatefive (talk) - just another roadgeek 23:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the drafted dab. Entries may be added or removed subsequently. Although I too find a shortcut dab "silly", doing this will address the unfairness of using a one-letter shortcut for something that has not been too useful. Oppose the usurping of the shortcut for perennial sources. It already has WP:RSP and WP:RSPS (and I would have liked WP:PERENNIAL to also point there). Regardless of whether the shortcut is new or from 2007, change is good, and if it's not too detrimental, we can make it more useful than it already is. Jay (talk) 17:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus
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Santo Sepulcro
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List of royal visits by Queen Elizabeth II
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Live entertainment
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Dot and Dash
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Joseph Stalins's religious views
- Joseph Stalins's religious views → Joseph Stalin#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Joseph Stalin and religion → Joseph Stalin#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The section which this redirect targets doesn't exist. Upon reviewing the target page, there the word "religion" occurs once, and it's location doesn't seem to contain enough distinct information to rationalize the existence of this redirect; in other words, readers looking up this term are not going to find the information they are trying to find. Steel1943 (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Seems as though there was content at this titles submitted for WP:AFD via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Stalins's religious views in 2015. Looks like the discussion was closed to "keep", even though at the time, the article consisted of one sentence? Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article had an entire (unsourced) paragraph upon creation [18]. – Uanfala (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 18:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The target has some relevant content (though no in a neatly delimited section): there's a paragraph about young Joseph's life at the seminary and how he became an atheist, and then a few sentences about his anti-religious policies as a leader. The redirects aren't terribly useful, but I don't think they're particularly bad either. I'm not sure to what an extent we should be bound by the outcome of the 2015 AfD: the article material was minimal, and the outcome of the AfD was effectively abandoned when immediately after the close someone turned the page into a redirect, without apparently anyone objecting. I guess it's also possible to re-create an article by splitting out the former section [19], but I don't think that's the optimal solution. – Uanfala (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I've been on the fence on this one for a while, but now I land here after reading the AfD and seeing the arguments that this is a notable topic. Deleting these redirects would clear the way for an actual article on this topic (
Joseph Stalin was an atheist[citation needed].
does not count). -- Tavix (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC) - Delete - while it's plausible that a valid section on Stalin's religious views could be added to the target, or as part of the Political ideology section, there really isn't anything at the target that would satisfy a reader searching for this phrase. signed, Rosguill talk 20:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both, the redirects don't help the reader. If there is sufficient content as claimed in the AfD, an article can be recreated under any of these titles. Jay (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Apostolic Catholic Church
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Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands
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Kurdification of Yazidis
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Settings in Battlestar Galatica
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Albury, Ontario
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