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Sanity check: Italics for exhibits?
Am I correct that museum exhibits (e.g., those curated by Barbara Rose) should be in italics and not quotation marks? My general nonwiki rule of thumb is that standalone works get italics and elements of works (e.g., chapters, parts of a collection) get quotes, but I wasn't sure if the wikirule is the same. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Re: names in bold type in bio leads of royal women
After many years logged in on Wikipedia the time has come in the activity of the undersigned to address common de facto editing which I feel clearly defeats meaning and purpose as given here under "Boldface". The general intent seems to be that a term that redirects to the article should be bold in the lead, not that it be intentionally excluded.
The matter of naming royal women has proven to be a very sensitive and controversial one where several experienced users express strong opinions, wanting format traditionally used in genealogical listings to prevail throughout. I cannot find any Wikipedia guideline which supports such a view. As can be seen on my user page, a few Wikipedia standards and I do not agree. That, however, is not relevant, and I have learned long ago always to abide by consensus.
It would be a good service to our readers if a woman who is very widely known by her married name, such as Grace of Monaco to name one of hundreds, could have that widely-known and frequently used alias in bold type at the top of her article. The same would apply to anyone widely known as Louise of Sweden and especially as Queen of any country. A contraction such as “also known as Queen Louise of Sweden” would be very helpful here. A lead referring to Countess Georgina von Wilczek only by a maiden name format, virtually unknown outside of genealogy, to me is unfathomable. We have ended up with de facto usage rather violently defeating sicut intentio. To try to avoid another decade or two of reverts, discussions, arguments, accusations, frustration, confusion, inconsistency and animosity about these things, I am making the following constructive proposal for addition under "Boldface":
Proposal: It is appropriate to use bold type in leads for titles of royalty along with geographical qualifications of that royalty - Queen of [Country] - in articles about royal women, especially when redirects and disambiguation pages redirect to such articles. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Shall I add this to the guideline since nobody seems to object? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 03:46, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think nobody objects, especially as you claim to have been in a conflict related to it. That said, the guideline already supports your reading, so adding to the guideline is inappropriate. --Izno (talk) 04:09, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! I read your comment to mean that proposals by people who have been in conflict about the issue should be ignored. Right? If that so, I've learned another Wikipedianism. I would be very grateful, in any case, if you would quote the guideline here to show me how it clearly supports my proposal. That would be quite useful. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Quite the obvious misinterpretation there given the rest of my comment. You thought you should modify the guideline because no one here had contested your suggested change. My point was that if you had consensus for the actions the guideline would now prescribe directly, then you would not have come into conflict about it.
- No, I don't think I'll do your homework for you, given that attitude. --Izno (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am trying in the best of faith to propose something constructive that would preclude more confusion and help everyone do a better job on this issue for the sake of the project, and I am asking other users for help to do that. If these true intentions of mine are not obvious, I'm sincerely sorry. You are finding bad faith and want to make this all about me. I don't know why, and I can't see how that's constructive. Have you argued with me before about something, so you're already pissed off?
- Is "the guideline would now prescribe directly" hypothetical? I don't understand (have taught English since 1969).
- Can we make this discussion about the issue, not about each other and ourselves?
- Anyone else? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! I read your comment to mean that proposals by people who have been in conflict about the issue should be ignored. Right? If that so, I've learned another Wikipedianism. I would be very grateful, in any case, if you would quote the guideline here to show me how it clearly supports my proposal. That would be quite useful. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
MOS::BOLD
My interpretation of MOS:BOLD The most common use of boldface is to highlight the first occurrence of the article's title word or phrase in the lead section. This is also done at the first occurrence of a term (commonly a synonym in the lead) that redirects to the article or one of its subsections, whether the term appears in the lead or not
is that the article title terms are emboldened in the lead and again in the article. The issue arose at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States war plans (1945–1950)/archive1, where the article has multiple redirects. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:38, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Bolding nicknames
When bolding a nickname in a biography, do we bold the quote marks or not? Is it Charles Alfred "Andy" Anderson or Charles Alfred "Andy" Anderson? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- MOS:NICKNAME says: "
The quotation marks are not put in lead-section boldface.
" —David Eppstein (talk) 07:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Discussion at Template talk:Infobox person § Bolding of native names
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox person § Bolding of native names. — Goszei (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Discussion at Template talk:Nihongo about kerning and CSS
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Nihongo § Template-protected edit request on 7 June 2021 — Kerning issues. — Goszei (talk) 18:06, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
style for translation of title with multiple words unclear
from Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar ...gave him the honorific title "Vidyasagar" ("Ocean of Knowledge"; from Sanskrit, Vidya "knowledge" and Sagar "ocean").
Long S in quotations
MOS:CONFORM says Formatting and other purely typographical elements of quoted text should be adapted to English Wikipedia's conventions without comment provided that doing so will not change or obscure meaning or intent of the text.
This would seem to include the use of the archaic orthography such as the long s. If this is the case, I think it would be appropriate to add that as an example. However, not knowing what the general practice is, I hesitate to modify the existing MOS. YBG (talk) 07:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- Long s is already specifically mentioned in the last bullet of the list that follows the paragraph you quoted from:
Normalize archaic glyphs and ligatures in English that are unnecessary to the meaning. Examples include æ→ae, œ→oe, ſ→s, and þe→the.
Indefatigable (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Explanation of edit
A slightly longer explanation of this edit: Special:Diff/1037883674. By default, the scale within the bodies of infoboxes and navboxes is 88% of the prose. This body-scale shows up in field names (like "Nationality"), the values of those fields (say, "American"), and captions, etc. Applying a small tag (85% modifier) to this 88% will generate an impermissible scale of (88% * 85% equals) 74.8%. However, other common parts of infoboxes and navboxes, for example the main bolded headings, are usually larger (110% of the prose size in infoboxes, 127.6% in sidebar navboxes, 100% in bottom navboxes). Applying an 85% small tag (or various other sizing percentages) to these will result in text that lands above the 85% requirement of MOS:SMALLFONT.
Obviously there is a lot of variation across different templates and portions within those templates, so the easiest way to check for SMALLFONT compliance is by using Inspect element in your browser and doing some division with the rendered font-sizes. I edited the wording because I have seen more than one editor misconstrue the guidance as a blanket ban on small tags in infoboxes/navboxes. — Goszei (talk) 07:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- I grabbed the wording from Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Font size and put it in... seems more complete. We should consider making one or the other the source wording and use section transclusion to ensure it doesn't get out of sync again. —Joeyconnick (talk) 02:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)