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People from/of or just people
See Wikipedia:Categorization of people#By place.
- Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria and is categorized in Category:Sportspeople from Graz, but is more often associated with the United States, and California in particular. He is categorized in Category:Film directors from Washington, D.C., Category:Sportspeople from Los Angeles etc.. It would be more correct to use Category:Film directors of Washington, D.C., Category:Sportspeople of Los Angeles etc., or simply Category:Washington, D.C. film directors, Category:Los Angeles sportspeople.
- In some cases, as with governors of colonial territories, the people are clearly "of" but rarely "from" the territory by birth or nationality. We may get a case where a British colonial official is indirectly categorized as a person "from" Palestine, Ceylon and Tanganyika, or (worse) "from" Israel, Sri Lanka and Tanzania, although he died before those states came into existence.
- We are not entirely consistent."People from Foo" is the most common, but we also have "People of Foo" and "Foo people". People of Ethiopia is not in Category:Ethiopian people. People of Northern Ireland is in Category:People from Northern Ireland. We have Category:People of British India, Category:People of New Netherland, Category:People of Bakumatsu. We have Category:Cornish people (associated with) and Category:People from Cornwall (born there).
- There is a long tradition of using "People from Foo", but perhaps Wikipedia:Categorization of people#By place should say that "People of Foo" and "Foo people" are also acceptable.
This may have been discussed and finalized long ago. Is there a past discussion? Aymatth2 (talk) 12:55, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- As far as I can remember this has been discussed often and in depth, and not only for "people", with RfCs etc, in short, the whole works. Can't remember where these discussions can be found (maybe at least some of them in WP:VPP archives?), and, if I'm not erring, not leading to a "one size fits all" solution, thus variant phrasings of "belonging to or associated with a country" co-existing to a certain extent. Don't know if this helps. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Do students/alumni at a university count as being from the city to which the university belongs?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Reverted edits by anonymous users
According to the edit history, quite a few edits by anonymous users have been reverted, suggesting a fair amount of vandalism takes place. Shouldn't the page be semi-protected? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Other than a spurt of
vandalismreverted edits in September, there has been one case ofvandalismreverted edit a month for the last few months. I'm reluctant to protect a page to stop that level of potential vandalism. Other admins may be more willing to do so, however. - Donald Albury 13:38, 6 November 2021 (UTC)- Edited because I had not (and still haven't) looked at the reverted edits to confirm that they were vandalism. - Donald Albury 15:48, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Suggestion for WP:COPSEP
Suggest to add:
- The reverse also applies: biography articles should only be added to people categories, not to topic categories, unless a parallel people category does not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- To clarify the scope of the rider, would you mind giving examples, at least in this discussion (not necessarily to be included in the addition)? – Fayenatic London 23:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: for example, William A. F. Browne is currently in Category:History of mental health in the United Kingdom and in Category:British psychiatrists. Because the article is already in an appropriate biographical category, it should not be put in the parallel history category as well. By the way, Category:History of mental health in the United Kingdom is currently full of biographies, so I thought to purge the category referring to this COPSEP guideline, until I noticed that the guideline is not explicit about this situation at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:40, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. That's a good example to illustrate the principles at play. Now I would keep that article in that History category, because he was a notable reformer of mental health care in the UK. Whether to include such a biography in such a topic category is a matter of degree and judgment, which in some cases might be worth discussing on the talk page, if their legacy was more limited in terms of region, duration or narrow specialism. But in principle, IMHO it is helpful to include biographies that had a major impact on the topic. I would therefore oppose your suggestion. – Fayenatic London 23:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: for example, William A. F. Browne is currently in Category:History of mental health in the United Kingdom and in Category:British psychiatrists. Because the article is already in an appropriate biographical category, it should not be put in the parallel history category as well. By the way, Category:History of mental health in the United Kingdom is currently full of biographies, so I thought to purge the category referring to this COPSEP guideline, until I noticed that the guideline is not explicit about this situation at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:40, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Categorizing biographies by cause of death
There is a discussion about categorizing people by cause of death at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories#Categorizing biographies by cause of death. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:39, 25 April 2022 (UTC)