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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.
How to use this page
What not to propose for discussion here
The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:
- Stub templates
- Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
- Userboxes
- Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
- Speedy deletion candidates
- If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
- Policy or guideline templates
- Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
- Template redirects
- List at Redirects for discussion.
Reasons to delete a template
- The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
- The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
- The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
- The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.
Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.
Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.
Listing a template
To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).
Step | Instructions |
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I: Tag the template. | Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:
Note:
Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:
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II: List the template at TfD. | Follow to edit today's TfD log.
Add this text to the top of the list:
If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add Use an edit summary such as Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code after the {{subst:Catfd2|category name}} |
III: Notify users. | Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:
to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases. |
Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.
After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors
While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.
To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.
WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}}
for this.
Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
Notifying substantial contributors to the template
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.
At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)
Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.
Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.
Twinkle
Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.
Discussion
Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.
People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.
Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.
Closing discussion
Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDCloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.
Current discussions
June 26
Template:Infobox themed area
- Template:Infobox themed area (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox amusement park (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox themed area with Template:Infobox amusement park.
{{Infobox themed area}} is simply a wrapper of {{Infobox amusement park}} that does not add any information. Perhaps a redirect would be a better suit. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: See previous TFD from 2019, closed as "no consensus". – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- It appears that by looking at the edit history {{Infobox themed area}} was a redirect after that TFD until January 18, 2022. Perhaps another discussion arose within Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks? –Aidan721 (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Moon cabinet infobox
- Template:Moon cabinet infobox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Single-use template used on Moon Jae-In's article. But instead of substitution on there, it should be outright deleted as the information on here is presented in list format as part of the article space of Cabinet of Moon Jae-in. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:SZM color
- Template:SZM color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused color template. Superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Shenzhen Metro. Gonnym (talk) 13:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:FC Desna Chernihiv sections
- Template:FC Desna Chernihiv sections (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
In fact, BC Chernihiv (basketball), Burevisnyk-ShVSM Chernihiv (volleyball) and Spartak ShVSM Chernihiv (women's football) have nothing to do with FC Desna Chernihiv (football), not legally affiliated with it and are not its sections or "active departments". These clubs are different legal entities with different owners. The template is essentially disinformation, its existence is not justified by anything. Dunadan Ranger (talk) 11:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox magazine
- Template:Infobox magazine (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox newspaper (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox magazine with Template:Infobox newspaper.
The line between newspapers and magazines is increasingly blurred, doubly so in their online forms. These infoboxes have many key parameters in common, and those that are not common to both (and are not simply synonyms) easily could be. The advantages of merging such similar templates are described in my essay on infobox consolidation. Obviously, whatever the new template is called, the unused name(s) should be kept as a redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
June 25
Template:Partisan sources
- Template:Partisan sources (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
There's a contradiction with the RS guideline. Per WP:PARTISAN, "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective" and "sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject". Potential issues may be tagged with Template:Unbalanced, Template:POV statement and the like. Brandmeistertalk 12:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: While I agree with the nomination reason, this may help find articles that rely heavily enough on partisan sources to the point where the content of the article could potentially tread off of NPOV and should be checked by another editor. Leaning between remove and keep here. Aidan9382 (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:23, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Provincial ministries of Pakistan
- Template:Provincial ministries of Pakistan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Contains only a redirect. No navigation. Asked the creator about his intentions, but did not receive a response. Can be userified since it seems to be a work in progress. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:55, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template for winners of a non-notable (i.e. without own article) award The Banner talk 11:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Warner Christmas films
- Template:Warner Christmas films (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Arbitrary grouping of films, based on two intersecting characteristics. Christmas films released by Warner Bros. are not commonly considered as a group Trivialist (talk) 08:10, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:METROKIEV type
- Template:METROKIEV type (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused rail type template. Gonnym (talk) 07:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Thessaly color
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
The result of the discussion was Delete. Page authors agreed with delete. WOSlinker (talk) 07:54, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:Thessaly color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Proastiakos Thessaloniki color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused Greece rail color templates. Gonnym (talk) 06:58, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
Template:Infobox Amandawe Mission
- Template:Infobox Amandawe Mission (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Not a working template or one that is needed at Draft:Amandawe Mission. Gonnym (talk) 06:54, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:3 strongest tornadoes of 2021
- Template:3 strongest tornadoes of 2021 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Templates of this manner have not been created in the past and are not especially useful since the same information already exists at Tornadoes of 2021. Also, “strongest tornadoes” is objective and could mean different things than just rating or highest estimated wind speeds. This template is redundant and should be deleted. United States Man (talk) 01:02, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Drafity and Fix — This topic itself isn’t notable, but it can be draftified and changed into a EF4s of 2021 template to use as a navigational template. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Like the idea, but it should not be used for tornadoes in one year. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:24, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Glossary term
- Template:Glossary term (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
I don't think it's appropriate to be directing users into wiki-space from article space in the general case, and I don't see sufficient need for this. Outside the mainspace, I think linking to the glossary itself directly suffices in lieu of this template. In general, I would support full deletion. Izno (talk) 17:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Agreed; it should not; meant strictly for Talk or other non-mainspace pages. I’ll add a {{main other}} when I’m back in civilized wifi-land. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 16:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)- Okay, this change has been made now, and generates a red error message if used from mainspace. (Or, it could be changed to just generate nothing, if used from mainspace, if that's better?) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
June 24
Template:Tbilisi Metro type
- Template:Tbilisi Metro type (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
replaced with icon + text (e.g., see Tsereteli) Frietjes (talk) 21:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:TrainOSE stations
- Template:TrainOSE stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TrainOSE lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TrainOSE color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/AD (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/AK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/AL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/AT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/DK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/Hellas (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/IC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/KO (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/LK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/LS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/LV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/P1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/PK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/TA (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/TF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/TK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/TL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/TO (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/TP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE left/TS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/AD (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/AK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/AL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/AT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/DK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/Hellas (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/IC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/KO (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/LK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/LP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/LS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/LV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/P1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/PK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/PT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/TA (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/TF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/Thessaloniki-Sofia Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/TK (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/TL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/TO (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/TP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/TrainOSE right/TS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/TrainOSE Frietjes (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. Markussep Talk 06:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Iran squad 2015 FIVB Volleyball World League
- Template:Iran squad 2015 FIVB Volleyball World League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Iran squad 2016 FIVB Volleyball World League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and non-winning/non-notable teams. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Municipality of Loreto Political Participation
- Template:Municipality of Loreto Political Participation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WhatDoTheyKnow
- Template:WhatDoTheyKnow (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions, incoming links, categories, or documentation describing what it is for. Created in March 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Social upheavals
- Template:Social upheavals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions. Navbox with no main article, thus no real criteria for inclusion or exclusion of links. The items currently in the navbox do not appear to be connected by any common thread that would naturally relate them to each other to the exclusion of many other concepts. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:07, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:San Beda Red Lions Senior Basketball Champions
- Template:San Beda Red Lions Senior Basketball Champions (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions of this navbox container. It appears that individual person articles, like Riego Gamalinda, use the individual navboxes on which the person played. If one or two articles needed to use all of the navboxes, it makes more sense to just include all of the navboxes in the article, which adds clarity for editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Rename detect
- Template:Rename detect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions, documentation, or categories. There is one incoming link from a 2020 discussion page, where this template appears to have been created as a proposed way to solve a problem, but it looks like it wasn't needed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:03, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Pcc
- Template:Pcc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links. Ambiguous template name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. Jdcompguy (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. MOS:NOTOOLTIPS is clear not to use tooltips to give information. This template does entirely that. Gonnym (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. I note that this template has transclusions, categories, and some minimal documentation now. I have no objection to keeping it if it is useful and used. If this is kept, I strongly recommend rearranging the names so that {{Pcc}} is a redirect, {{Particular calendar change}} is the canonical template, and the current content of {{Particular calendar change}} is moved to a subpage of {{Particular calendar change}} to show that it is a fully dependent part of that template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Latest preview software release/Krita
- Template:Latest preview software release/Krita (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions. The relevant article uses Wikidata instead of this template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Latest NHRA Top Fuel
- Template:Latest NHRA Top Fuel (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions, categories, documentation, or incoming links. Content is a few wikilinks with no template code. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject Wikipedia-Books
- Template:WikiProject Wikipedia-Books (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
The Book namespace was deleted a while ago and WikiProject Wikipedia-Books is defunct with no reason to return. The remaining transclusions are mostly from pages moved to user-space where this was not removed. Gonnym (talk) 06:42, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject Thailand/Sortkey
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
The result of the discussion was speedy delete per author request. ✗plicit 13:44, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:WikiProject Thailand/Sortkey (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused sortkey template. Documentation said it was a temporary workaround, so this might have been solved sometimes in the past 12 years. Gonnym (talk) 06:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete (I've tagged it as G7). The issue hadn't been solved, but this method didn't work and I gave up but apparently forgot to tag it for deletion. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
Template:WikiProject Germany/Task force categories
- Template:WikiProject Germany/Task force categories (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Task force categories (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:WikiProject Iran/Task force categories (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:WPTRANSPORT/Task force categories (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:WPTRANSPORT/Checklist categories (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:WPTRANSPORT/YesNo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused WikiProject banner sub-templates. Gonnym (talk) 06:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject India retalkback
- Template:WikiProject India retalkback (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
While this is a subst template, it fails MOS:CONTRAST and is redundant and inferior to simply tagging (@) the user in the discussion. Gonnym (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- MOS:Contrast is not reason to delete. Please fix accessibility or colour issue. --Titodutta (talk) 21:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject Georgia Tech Bulletin
- Template:WikiProject Georgia Tech Bulletin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused Wikipedia:WikiProject Georgia Tech template. Gonnym (talk) 06:30, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject Editing trends category header
- Template:WikiProject Editing trends category header (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused. Categories were deleted. Gonnym (talk) 06:28, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Module:Adjacent stations/ConnDOT
- Module:Adjacent stations/ConnDOT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused module. Logic was split between Module:Adjacent stations/CT Transit and Module:Adjacent stations/CTrail. Gonnym (talk) 05:21, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:OASA color
- Template:OASA color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OASA style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OASA lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OASA Rail stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OASA icons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OASA Tram stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OASA Tram left/T3 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OASA Tram left/T4 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OASA Tram left/T5 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OASA Tram right/T4 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OASA Tram right/T5 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Athens Metro, Module:Adjacent stations/Athens Tram, Module:Adjacent stations/Proastiakos Athens, ... Frietjes (talk) 00:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
June 23
Template:Fb disc header 2.5
- Template:Fb disc header 2.5 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused sport(?) header template. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Third Place:Destubbing:Women in Red October 2019
- Template:Third Place:Destubbing:Women in Red October 2019 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Second Place:Destubbing:Women in Red October 2019 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions, and no chance of future use, since it is tied to a 2019 event. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Pop density/LoffAonSoff
- Template:Pop density/LoffAonSoff (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused sub-template of Template:Pop density. Probably was part of the template pre-Lua. Gonnym (talk) 21:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Ram tracks
- Template:Ram tracks (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions. This is article content that has a better version at the album's page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Comics infobox sec/lang
- Template:Comics infobox sec/lang (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
template's limited functionality replaced with {{ISO 639 name link}}
; no longer transcluded in article space. Trappist the monk (talk) 13:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Ranks and Insignia of NATO Air Forces/WO/Blank
- Template:Ranks and Insignia of NATO Air Forces/WO/Blank (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused (and unlinked to from anywhere) empty rank templates. These are unnecessary as if a new template is needed to be created, a used template can just be copied and edited. Gonnym (talk) 07:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Rank of UK/CDT/ADCC
- Template:Rank of UK/CDT/ADCC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Rank of UK/CDT/ATC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Rank of UK/CDT/SCC/RM (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/ACF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/CCF/Army (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/CCF/RAF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/CCF/RN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/CCF/RN/RM (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/CICC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/GVCAC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/SCC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/VCC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/CDT/VCC/RM (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ranks of UK/OFF/CCF/RN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused UK related rank templates all but one created by the same user. I checked a couple and it seems they have similar templates which are in use:
- Template:Rank of UK/CDT/ADCC vs Template:Ranks and Insignia of UK/CDT/ADCC
- Template:Rank of UK/CDT/ATC vs Template:Ranks and Insignia of UK/CDT/ACF Gonnym (talk) 07:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
More Canadian elections
- Template:Canadian federal election, 2006 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Canadian federal election, 2008 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Canadian federal election, 2011 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Canadian federal election, 2015 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Canadian federal election, 2019 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Single use election templates should be deleted, the results table should be in the article. Yilku1 (talk) 03:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No point in single-use templates. Number 57 11:17, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
June 22
Template:CPTM Stations/Line 7
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 7 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 8 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 9 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 10 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 11 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 12 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 13 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:CPTM Stations/Line 14 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
These are all regular tables placed in single-use templates. Subst to articles and delete templates. Gonnym (talk) 23:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:TVQ
- Template:TVQ (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
There was a prior consensus to delete this template, but Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 May 24 found that it should be reconsidered. This is a procedural nomination; I am neutral myself on its merits. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Explanation The reason I no longer believe the deletion of TVQ is necessary—as the one who supported it prior to the original TfD last year—has to do with the underlying database. TVQ is the TV Query template linking to a database maintained by the Federal Communications Commission in the US. At the time of TfD a year ago, this database was frozen in amber. The FCC has for years been effectuating a transition of broadcast databases from an older system known as CDBS to a system called LMS. TVQ was only pulling from CDBS, but years of television changes were recorded only in LMS. This meant some stations' records were so out of date as to be completely inaccurate, especially given major changes in TV channel allocations between 2017 and 2020. There is another template, {{FCC-LMS-Facility}}, that links to most of the same databases, but each transclusion of TVQ has to be manually edited with a new parameter to be replaced by FCC-LMS-Facility.
- The underlying issue is no longer the case, and TV Query now uses data from LMS and is up-to-date. There is no need to delete this template when we also have {{AMQ}} and {{FMQ}} (which, in radio, did not have as pressing a data accuracy issue vis-a-vis LMS as TVQ), templates that never needed to be deprecated at any time. This template is fine for use, even if there are fewer uses of it. My !vote is Keep. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie does {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} do the same thing as this template? Do they both link to the same page? If so, then I'd argue that deprecation of this template should still continue as we shouldn't have two templates doing the same exact thing. Seeing as how {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} is more used (4304 vs 598), that one should be the one kept and used. Gonnym (talk) 09:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- They do not, Gonnym. They link to different interfaces that mostly poll the same underlying data.
- FCC-LMS-Facility requires a Facility ID. For instance, let's use KTVH-DT (FID 5290) with
{{TVQ|KTVH-DT}}
and{{FCC-LMS-Facility|5290|KTVH-DT}}
and see what we get (click on both to see the different pages they yield).
- @Sammi Brie does {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} do the same thing as this template? Do they both link to the same page? If so, then I'd argue that deprecation of this template should still continue as we shouldn't have two templates doing the same exact thing. Seeing as how {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} is more used (4304 vs 598), that one should be the one kept and used. Gonnym (talk) 09:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
KTVH-DT in the FCC TV station database
- Facility details for Facility ID 5290 (KTVH-DT) in the FCC Licensing and Management System
- The LMS template has more uses because it works for radio stations (or anything with an FCC Facility ID) and because we proactively removed TVQ from hundreds of pages. Radio stations have their own query templates, {{AMQ}} and {{FMQ}}, which I never intended for total deprecation and are still in place in the vast majority of articles. (At the time, radio was much less intensively using LMS than TV, so it continuing to be primarily a CDBS-based query was not a major problem, and in any event LMS info is now used throughout the Query family.) The radio and TV station infoboxes can call an LMS link automatically for most US stations, but there's a quirk of the way they're coded that means that I can't recommend their use on most low-power (-LD/-LP) radio and TV stations. (They generate links to public inspection files as well, which do not exist for that class of station. I could avoid this if I could detect call signs ending in -D, -LD, and -LP...) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:05, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep for now, tone down deprecation notice The main concern people had with this template was that it was generating broken/outdated links, but the link target has been fixed, so using the template is no longer such a bad idea. As such, this should probably be a "templates for merging" discussion at this point, as we now have two templates with the same purpose, both of which are currently functional.
Unifying everything to use {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} seems like it's probably a better idea in the long term – that template takes more information than this one, so it'll be easier to update for any future changes to the URL targets, and the two have much the same purpose – but I don't think there's any particular urgency for the merge. As such, I'd recommend updating the documentation of this template to suggest using {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} instead (but as a recommendation rather than a direct order to use the other template), and updating FCC-LMC-Facility's documentation to remove the "last updated" text and to recommend that the call sign is always specified (in case we ever want to change the links back the other way). It might also make sense for FCC-LMC-Facility to be given an additional parameter, that specifies whether the station is an AM, FM or TV station, so that it could easily be changed to replicate the functionality of {{AMQ}}, {{FMQ}}, and {{TVQ}} if the external links in question ever change again.
There's also been discussion about merging this template with {{Infobox television station}}, which seems reasonable (in particular, Facility IDs are the sort of information which could do with being listed in the infobox), but likewise not particularly urgent and is something that can wait until someone wants to do the work. --ais523 02:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:2021 in Republic of Ireland football
- Template:2021 in Republic of Ireland football (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Duplicate of Template:2021 in Republic of Ireland association football. Creator was later blocked and couldn't be notified. Santiago Claudio (talk) 11:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:55, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect as duplicate. GiantSnowman 18:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Popcorn League
- Template:Popcorn League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Navbox with no main article (it was just deleted) and only two blue links. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:International Islamic University Malaysia alumni
- Template:International Islamic University Malaysia alumni (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions. This should be a category (which already exists at Category:International Islamic University Malaysia alumni), not a navbox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:About-redirect
- Template:About-redirect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
The result of the discussion was delete after replacement as discussed. 45.132.253.56 (talk) 08:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Where was that discussion? Gonnym (talk) 13:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- The nominator may be referring to the TfD of {{Distinguish-otheruses}}, but we should probably consider this template separately (in particular, what's the specific proposed replacement for this template?) --ais523 02:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Replace with {{about}}+{{redirect}} and delete — {{about-redirect}} produces
This article is about lights used for signalling. "Stoplight" redirects here. For other uses, see Traffic light (disambiguation) and Stoplight (disambiguation).
. {{about}} and {{redirect}} separately produceThis article is about lights used for signalling. For other uses, see Traffic light (disambiguation).
(line break)"Stoplight" redirects here. For other uses, see Stoplight (disambiguation).
There isn't much to choose between these – I think the latter is probably a little clearer, and as such there's no real need to combine them into a single template. Having this as two template uses rather than one is also easier to maintain and understand. --ais523 02:28, 24 June 2022 (UTC) - Replace per ais523. We shouldn't mix different hatnote statements like that: for example, a reader may arrive at Traffic light who's instead looking for one of the other topics with the name, but when they start reading the hatnote, they may reach the bit that says "Stoplight redirects here" and then assume that the hatnote is not for them, when in fact it is – the link to Traffic light (disambiguation) is further down on the same line. If on some rare occasion it's really necessary to combine disparate hatnote statements into the same line, then that's better done by using one of the standard hatnotes with a custom text a parameter. It's not helpful to have separate templates for each possible combination of hatnote statements: the system of templates is already complex enough. – Uanfala (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
June 21
Template:Category administration link
- Template:Category administration link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Fails accessibility in the name of being discrete, and I don't really think there's sufficient utility here to redirect users out of the "main" category space. Editors who need to know will get to the 'administrative' categories another way. Izno (talk) 19:25, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with Izno here. If there is need for a link, {{Category see also}} can be used. Gonnym (talk) 13:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Latest preview software release/Editra
- Template:Latest preview software release/Editra (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest preview software release/Signal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest preview software release/Sylpheed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest preview software release/Volkov Commander (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest preview software release/ZNC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest preview software release/phpMyAdmin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Adobe Premiere Pro (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/B1 Free Archiver (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/BlueGriffon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Eggdrop (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/FAR Manager (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Filzip (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/IMP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Jmol (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Media Player (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Metacity (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Outlook Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Pine (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Ruby (programming language) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Sugar (desktop environment) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Volkov Commander (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/Windows Movie Maker (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/dvdisaster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Latest stable software release/gravit (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused software release templates. If any become re-used during this TfD, feel free to remove them from the list. Gonnym (talk) 07:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox settlement/doc/Moldova
- Template:Infobox settlement/doc/Moldova (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox settlement/doc/Netherlands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox settlement/doc/North Macedonia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox settlement/doc/Ukraine (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
These documentation sub-templates offer very little value while being an actual maintenance burden. Other than the North Macedonia name update, these templates haven't been edited since 2008 and I really doubt that the template parameters haven't changed at all during that time. They are (other than North Macedonia) also unlinked from anywhere else. In general, looking at another settlement article from the same country would offer the same help without needing to create over 100 templates like these for every country. Gonnym (talk) 07:42, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox lighthouse/ARLHS
- Template:Infobox lighthouse/ARLHS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox lighthouse/shape (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused Template:Infobox lighthouse sub-templates. Gonnym (talk) 07:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Minor League Baseball/image
- Template:Infobox Minor League Baseball/image (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused sub-template. Was removed from the template here. Gonnym (talk) 07:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Colspan
- Template:Colspan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused table template. Gonnym (talk) 07:18, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:9pins res 7
- Template:9pins res 7 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:9pins res 8 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:9pins res start 7 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused nine-pin bowling templates. Gonnym (talk) 07:15, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:TCDD Platform Layout Ankara Batı Garı
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Ankara Batı Garı (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Ankara Garı (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Bilecik YHT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Bozüyük YHT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Erenköy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Kayaş (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Pendik (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Polatlı YHT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:TCDD Platform Layout Tuzla (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused Turkish State Railways platform templates. Gonnym (talk) 06:55, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- delete, I orphaned all of these (example) because they were single-use templates, and the standard is to keep the platform layout in the article. Frietjes (talk) 17:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
TCDD Taşımacılık succession templates
Template:TCDD color
- Template:TCDD color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Category:TCDD Taşımacılık succession templates (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/TCDD Taşımacılık. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Uw-wrongreview
- Template:Uw-wrongreview (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Pending changes reviewers are generally editors who have enough experience editing Wikipedia that they are no longer considered novices; accordingly, this template will often run afoul of WP:DTTR. Moreover, this template is very vague and will almost never convey enough information to tell recipients what they did wrong. Mz7 (talk) 05:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep since is helpful to have a template when a reviewer slips up. Those who wish to not template the regulars (notwithstanding that DTTR is merely an essay) can easily leave a personalised message. Lastly, the template clearly says that a review was unacceptable, why so ("violate our guidelines"), and provides a link for the reviewer to read the guidelines. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- While DTTR is indeed "merely an essay", do you disagree with anything about what it says? Giving a templated message to an experienced editor is often seen as patronizing, and I am willing to bet that editors who routinely use this template will eventually find themselves in a situation where another editor is quite annoyed at them. That's a net negative because it'll sour the mood of both the user of this template and its recipient. More fundamentally, while the template does say that a review was unacceptable, it's not clear why exactly the review was unacceptable. The bar for accepting pending changes is deliberately set extremely low: Per WP:RPC#General criteria, an editor merely needs to check whether an edit (1) has BLP violations, (2) is vandalism, (3) contains obvious copyright violations, or (4) contains legal threats, personal attacks, or libel. The guidelines expressly state that
It is not necessary for you to ensure compliance with the content policies on neutral point of view, verifiability and original research before accepting
. Because of this, just because a reviewer accepts an edit that was later reverted does not mean that the reviewer was wrong to accept that edit. Accordingly, reviewer slip-ups are quite rare, and when they do occur, this template does not go into enough detail about what exactly the reviewer did wrong (e.g. misidentifying edits as vandalism or missing an obvious BLP violation) for the reviewer to identify what happened and make an appropriate adjustment. Mz7 (talk) 04:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- While DTTR is indeed "merely an essay", do you disagree with anything about what it says? Giving a templated message to an experienced editor is often seen as patronizing, and I am willing to bet that editors who routinely use this template will eventually find themselves in a situation where another editor is quite annoyed at them. That's a net negative because it'll sour the mood of both the user of this template and its recipient. More fundamentally, while the template does say that a review was unacceptable, it's not clear why exactly the review was unacceptable. The bar for accepting pending changes is deliberately set extremely low: Per WP:RPC#General criteria, an editor merely needs to check whether an edit (1) has BLP violations, (2) is vandalism, (3) contains obvious copyright violations, or (4) contains legal threats, personal attacks, or libel. The guidelines expressly state that
- Delete Not completely convinced about the DTTR issue, but
this template is very vague and will almost never convey enough information to tell recipients what they did wrong
is sufficient reason for deletion. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
June 20
Template:PLoSlink
- Template:PLoSlink (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and useless template Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:58, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- I made this 15 years ago. I don't remember why, or if it was ever used. Perhaps I was just experimenting with Templates (as they were a new thing back then). Please delete. --SamuelWantman 02:21, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox FIBA tourney
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:Infobox FIBA tourney (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox basketball tournament season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox FIBA tourney with Template:Infobox basketball tournament season.
Same article scope, {{Infobox FIBA tourney}} does not really add anything unique to FIBA/national teams. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep {{Infobox FIBA tourney}} actually does add features not available in {{Infobox basketball tournament season}}, such as it's usage of the
type
\continent
parameters to standardize looks for different competitions, its automated sequential title creation and automation of link creation to relevant nation team articles, among others. Please, look at the code of both templates. They are vary much not the same. CLalgo (talk) 14:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC)- I'm going to withdraw this proposal. At a glance, they appeared very similar. Perhaps if {{Infobox basketball tournament season}} significantly improves there could be a discussion but not now. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox all-star basketball game
- Template:Infobox all-star basketball game (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox basketball game (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox all-star basketball game with Template:Infobox basketball game.
Redundant template. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox BBL team season
- Template:Infobox BBL team season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Replaced with {{Infobox basketball club season}}. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I made this Template for the British Basketball League teams. It has more labels covering just the BBL for example team colours, coaches, captains, BBL Cup and BBL Trophy results. Otherwise is there a way we could add their team colours onto {{Infobox basketball club season}}. Alextigers (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2022 (ADET)
- I just updated the templates document. Please don’t remove this template, because it has wrecked the 2021–22 London Lions season page. Alextigers (talk) 09:54, 21 June 2022 (ADET)
- weak keep, this edit removed a lot of information, so unless most of that information can be added back to the infobox, I don't think this is a step in the right direction. Frietjes (talk) 18:05, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox ANZ Premiership team
- Template:Infobox ANZ Premiership team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox ANZC team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Replaced with {{Infobox sports team}}. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Marmaray style
- Template:Marmaray style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/TCDD Taşımacılık. Gonnym (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Optima Tours succession templates
- Template:OTE color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OTE lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OTE stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OTE left/Optima Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OTE right/Optima Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Category:Optima Tours succession templates (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Optima Tours. Gonnym (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:ADA color
- Template:ADA color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:ADA lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:ADA stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/ADA left/Adaray (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/ADA right/Adaray (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Adaray. Gonnym (talk) 20:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WEmoji
- Template:WEmoji (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Module:WEmoji (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete) (added 15:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC))
There is already a template to show emojis - Template:Emoji. Additionally, there is no need to create a template for each single emoji as was done with this template's subpages. Any usages should be replaced with {{Emoji}}. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I agree with deleting the subpages as seen at the nominations above. However, upon looking closer at Template:Emoji, you will find it has more emojis but is not very user friendly -- For instance, to display a basic smile (
) you must use the following: {{emoji|263A}}
- The goal of WEmoji is to provide Wikipedians with an easy-to-use, user-friendly system which has codes that are easy to memorize. If you use the other system, you'd need to constantly check the codes depending on the emoji. The code for a sunglasses emoji looks like this on Emoji: {{emoji|1F60E}}. The code for sunglasses on WEmoji looks like this: {{WEmoji|cool}}. In summary, the two templates are different -- Emoji is better supported, but not as refined. WEmoji is not as well supported, but easier to use. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk | contribs) 23:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
vs
). Gonnym (talk) 09:51, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as a template that duplicates the functionality of another template. You can already use {{emoji}} with any of the names listed in Module:Emoji/data. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Tram İzmir color
- Template:Tram İzmir color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Tram İzmir lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:S-line/Tram İzmir left/Karşıyaka (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/Tram İzmir left/Konak (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:S-line/Tram İzmir right/Konak (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Tram İzmir. Gonnym (talk) 09:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
İzmir Metro succession templates
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- Template:İzmir Metro stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:İBB style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro left/2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro left/3 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro left/M1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro right/2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro right/3 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro right/M1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Category:İzmir Metro succession templates (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/İzmir Metro. Gonnym (talk) 09:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NRLW2019Ladder
- Template:NRLW2019Ladder (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused. Table was merged into article. Gonnym (talk) 08:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
İZBAN succession templates
- Template:IZBAN color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:IZBAN stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:IZBAN style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN left/Northern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN left/Southern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN left/Southern Selçuk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN right/Northern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN right/Southern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN right/Southern Selçuk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Category:İZBAN succession templates (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/İZBAN. Gonnym (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox hiking trail
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The result of the discussion was moved Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
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Propose renaming Template:Infobox hiking trail to Template:Infobox trail.
This template covers hiking trails, cycling trails, greenways, and more; so, it makes sense to broaden the name. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:00, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Suport move Makes sense. PamD 06:01, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Aidan721, at the top of WP:TFD it says
"To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves."
Frietjes (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC) - Support - The term "trail" in Wikipedia referred to your classic hiking trail a long time ago, but has since been expanded to include all the other types of paths mentioned by the nominator here. Therefore I think renaming the infobox as suggested here makes sense and should be harmless. This is my official vote for accounting purposes; see more in my rather lengthy comment below. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:05, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Tangential Comment - I have done a lot of work recently on "trail" articles for Pennsylvania (a topic for which I am knowledgeable), which informs my vote above. However I would like to point out that navigation boxes and categories for "trails" are in really bad shape throughout Wikipedia, due to the definitional issues merely introduced in this discussion about the infobox name. Navboxes for "hiking" trails are polluted with things that do not fall under the definition of hiking (see Template:Maryland hiking trails as just one example among hundreds), pure "hiking" trails appear in navboxes and categories for old railroad tracks that are now bike trails, sidewalks alongside freeways (e.g. US 202 Parkway Trail) have been categorized as hiking, and lots of other confusion in every conceivable direction. I have fixed this problem for Pennsylvania, but for anyone interested in this general topic area, cleaning this up for the rest of the world will give you Wikipedia work for months to come. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support move - no prejudice on the rename as we have infoboxes that are listed as
Template:Infobox item
to keep it simple. – The Grid (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2022 (UTC) - SUPPORT since I use it for bike paths. jengod (talk) 23:58, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support, definitely makes a lot of sense! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 22:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- May I please make a couple of supplementary suggestions. (1) For trails in the UK, can we have an alternative to "Trailheads"? A trailhead is an American concept that refers to a location specifically intended as the start or end point for a hike (or bike ride, or whatever), most often consisting of a dedicated parking area and typically with toilets (rest rooms), information boards, a distribution point for brochures and leaflets, and so on. Such trailheads are not at all common in the UK. In Infoboxes on UK trails, the "trailhead" is usually given as a town or village (rightly so). For exammple, for the Cross Borders Drove Road, one of the "trailheads" is listed as Hawick which is a town of 10,000 people which just happens to be the start or end of the route. So my suggestion is that the Infobox should have an alternative parameter: "Start and end points". (This probably applies to trails in most European countries, not just the UK.)
- (2) My second suggestion is that, when giving "Elevation gain/loss" in the Infobox, editors should specify in which direction is the gain and which is the loss.
- Mike Marchmont (talk) 15:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
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June 19
Template:Transclusion orphans
cc: RandomCanadian, Izno, Pppery, ais523, Explicit
— Guarapiranga ☎ 22:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm uncomfortable with putting this entire list up for TfD at once. I believe that, for many or most of them, the correct action is to subst to the parent article and delete, but think that some of them will need more care. In particular, {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}} is in urgent need of code improvement – it's currently over 100 KiB long and (unlike most of these templates) would make the article very difficult to edit if subst'ed in that form. (I still remember when there was a 32 KB "soft limit" which editors were recommended not to exceed on any given page.) I think the correct action will be to subst-and-delete that template eventually, but it would first need to be rewritten (perhaps in terms of a Lua module to format the rows – the template is very repetitive) so that it doesn't completely dominate the rest of the article. There might well be other special cases like that, and so I'm uncomfortable making a blanket "subst and delete" recommendation in case we end up missing a special case where some other sort of cleanup is desired; in particular, although these need fixing, a single mass TfD is probably the wrong way to fix them. --ais523 23:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why do you say {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}}
would make the article very difficult to edit if subst'ed in that form
, ais523? I just had a look at it, and didn't see anything so ominous or complex; it's just a long table. It's actually pretty well formatted (in comparison to other data tables here). I don't see whatfirst needs to be rewritten
, and if it's the case that it'svery repetitive
—well, it's a data table, after all—then it's the prototypical use of templates, not ofa Lua module
(which is genrally required for subroutines, not toformat rows
). I don't see how this table would completely dominate the rest of the article, given that the article already is a collection tables and maps, with very little prose, already. In any case, if it's indeed the case of splitting the table into a separate page, then it's the case of putting it into another article, not another template, and transcluding it back to Results breakdown of the 2021 Canadian federal election, as are Results of the 2022 Australian federal election (House_of_Representatives) and Results of the 2022 Australian federal election (Senate) transcluded into 2022 Brazilian general election (this, btw, sort of solves the concern some here have expressed of tables overwhelming article prose). — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)- The basic issue is that much of the code behind the template is repeated on every row. Excessively repetitive wikimarkup is hard to edit because a) it obscures the actual information – most of the information onscreen is irrelevant, and b) you have to repeat the repetitive information when adding new information, and the exact way in which to do that isn't always clear (e.g. it's easy to confuse parts of the table which repeat for all rows with parts of the table which repeat for most rows but not all of them). The table would be much easier to use if written in terms of a template like {{aligned table}} (but probably not that one exactly – it can't handle the full range of formatting required), rather than having all the markup written out manually. (Note that such a table-formatting template would probably be useful on more than one article, rather than being single-purpose like the templates nominated here.) --ais523 23:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- {{English Heritage listed building row}} seems more the case of what you're talking about than {{aligned table}}, ais523, but sure, that can always be improved upon, even after subst and delete. — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The basic issue is that much of the code behind the template is repeated on every row. Excessively repetitive wikimarkup is hard to edit because a) it obscures the actual information – most of the information onscreen is irrelevant, and b) you have to repeat the repetitive information when adding new information, and the exact way in which to do that isn't always clear (e.g. it's easy to confuse parts of the table which repeat for all rows with parts of the table which repeat for most rows but not all of them). The table would be much easier to use if written in terms of a template like {{aligned table}} (but probably not that one exactly – it can't handle the full range of formatting required), rather than having all the markup written out manually. (Note that such a table-formatting template would probably be useful on more than one article, rather than being single-purpose like the templates nominated here.) --ais523 23:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why do you say {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}}
- Oppose Break it down into reasonable chunks that relate to each other naturally. This is mind-numbing. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 02:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The way these are related, as you can see in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 June 13#Template:Transclusion (and indicated in this TfD's title), Tim, is that these are all (soon to be) orphans of template:transclusion. — Guarapiranga ☎ 03:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose An overly large list that combines templates related to different topics that cannot be discussed together coherently. It is necessary to break the list down into chunks that relate to each other. Nimrodbr (talk) 04:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Absolutely ridiculous to nominate this much in one discussion. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Import-blanktable
- Template:Import-blanktable (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Row hover highlight (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Import-blanktable with Template:Row hover highlight.
Both templates serve the same purpose. — Guarapiranga ☎ 21:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merge into MediaWiki:Common.css and delete both This is a much more complex situation than it looks – the developers are involved, see T287997. What seems to have happened is that there was useful functionality (with respect to table backgrounds and mouse hover) which was included into the site functionality by mistake, but because it was useful, started being used. The functionality was widely used, and then (because it was an accident rather than intentionally included in the software) ended up breaking at some point, and some people made templates to try to recreate it.
It seems uncontroversial that having highlight-on-hover behaviour is useful for at least some tables – generally speaking, tables that are being used to hold tabular data (as opposed to being used for some other purpose) benefit from it. As such, we either need to merge it into the main "wikitable" CSS class, or else split "wikitable" into two (together with WP:MOS guidelines as to when to use each version). Creating a template to do the same work via TemplateStyles and editing it onto every page indiviually is a clever short-term workaround, but a bad long-term solution to the problem – we'll end up with a range of different methods of row-highlighting tables and it'll be harder to move over to a coherent system once the software starts working again.
It's quite plausible that the situation will be fixed by changes to MediaWiki itself; however, if a short-term solution is desirable before then, it should surely be done via site CSS rather than via editing a template onto every page individually, and thus neither of the templates under discussion should really exist. (It is possible that we'll want "Wikipedia's own" data table CSS class with row highlighting, rather than using one which was incidentally part of MediaWiki, in order to be able to optimise it for usage on an encyclopedia; but in that case, we can do a one-time replacement of the CSS class name on articles using a bot, which has to be better than adding a template to every page and then removing the template again once the CSS is fixed properly.) --ais523 22:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not
Merge into MediaWiki:Common.css and delete both
. WP:TemplateStyles are sufficient to support whatever is going on with the relevant templates and should always be preferred to Common.css for the general rationale behind TemplateStyles (see prior link) as well as my project to remove Common.css styles. Common.css should be reserved exclusively for modifications to site chrome. The functionality was widely used
is an incorrect assessment. It was used by some 300 pages or so. Widely used would be much more than that. --Izno (talk) 23:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)- The functionality was used on many more than 300 pages (with many uses being indirect via templates); see Timeshifter's comment at the end of this archived VPT discussion. (There are at least 1000 uses: over 300 direct, over 100 via {{Static row numbers table}}, and over 600 via {{Kommunestyre table}}.) It probably should be used on almost every table on Wikipedia, including the ones that don't currently use it, which is a reason to add it to the global CSS rather than placing it on every page individually. --ais523 23:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
It probably should be used on almost every table on Wikipedia
I don't think this is supported solely by the fact that essentially one user has added this class/styles to these 300 some odd pages +- template links. There remains no reason to add this to all tables (allwikitable
tables I presume, for obvious reasons like {{infobox}} opposing its general use), and if you think there is, you may submit the patch to the developers that does so. There remain sufficiently many cases where it should not be employed, so I anticipate it being shot down for that reason alone (because Wikimedians are bad at using tables as tables). This is an excellent use case for TemplateStyles. --Izno (talk) 00:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The functionality was used on many more than 300 pages (with many uses being indirect via templates); see Timeshifter's comment at the end of this archived VPT discussion. (There are at least 1000 uses: over 300 direct, over 100 via {{Static row numbers table}}, and over 600 via {{Kommunestyre table}}.) It probably should be used on almost every table on Wikipedia, including the ones that don't currently use it, which is a reason to add it to the global CSS rather than placing it on every page individually. --ais523 23:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- To clarify: my second choice would be to merge the templates with each other, rather than to keep both as separate templates. --ais523 00:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not
- Merge, but with full functionality of {{import-blanktable}} per User:ais523. (old:
Do not merge templates.). Currently, the older template (Import-blanktable) written by Krinkle on August 4, 2021 does more. See discussions: Template talk:Row hover highlight/styles.css and Template talk:Import-blanktable. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)- Normally, merging templates implies that we create one template which has the functionality of both of the original templates; the basic question about the merge, therefore, is "are there cases where we'd also want a template that does less, or could all situations where we'd want to use either be able to use an improved template that has the functionality of both?". You might want to recommend a particular functionality for the merged template (e.g. that it's based primarily on {{import-blanktable}}'s code), but as it is, your bolded recommendation and your comment with your reasoning don't match each other. --ais523 23:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- OK. The most advanced tables, in my opinion, are the automatically updated scrolling tables discussed at Help:Table#Scrolling. They have a white background due to {{import-blanktable}}. They are listed at Category:Automatically updated COVID-19 pandemic table templates. They are used, for example, in COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory. Nearly all the other data tables in that article also use {{import-blanktable}}. I have seen those data tables there with and without the white background. They are more readable with the white background, especially the less bright one's monitor brightness setting is set at. I don't think the functionality should be tied to wikitable. --Timeshifter (talk) 04:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Full functionality also means that the white background works without changing already colored cells or rows. See: User:Timeshifter/Sandbox177. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Normally, merging templates implies that we create one template which has the functionality of both of the original templates; the basic question about the merge, therefore, is "are there cases where we'd also want a template that does less, or could all situations where we'd want to use either be able to use an improved template that has the functionality of both?". You might want to recommend a particular functionality for the merged template (e.g. that it's based primarily on {{import-blanktable}}'s code), but as it is, your bolded recommendation and your comment with your reasoning don't match each other. --ais523 23:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Clear merge of the templates. These are doing the same thing. My preference would be to support to end up with the title at Template:Row hover highlight. I would not reference
mw-datatable
as the above task would have been avoided if we were using our own classes. Secondly, I would generally support restricting row hovers towikitable
class tables (perhaps with some namerow-hover
). --Izno (talk) 23:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)I would not reference
mw-datatable
- Yeah, that's meant just as a legacy redirect. — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NK Krka squad
- Template:NK Krka squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Empty since September 2019. No longer needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 21:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Sohanur Rahman Sohan
- Template:Sohanur Rahman Sohan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Four links. Fails NENAN. Same massive list already on director's article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose - All films of this director are notable. Some has own wikipedia article. "No need for navbox when navigation is provided on said article" this is a weird logic, there are thousands of film director templates who are similar. Their filmography is already provided in his biography article's filmography segment. But still a navigational box containing all those films exist. You must check
{{Swapan Saha}}
,{{Birsa Dasgupta}}
,{{Srijit Mukherji}}
,{{Aparna Sen}}
etc. for example. Abbasulu (talk) 02:52, 20 June 2022 (UTC)- Abbasulu: Your comment here and the next one were causing Multiline table in list lint errors leading to indent leaks to the end of page. I fixed these lint errors by indirecting the Nav templates with
{{Tlx}}
. If you really want the nav templates to appear, they have to be on a line that doesn't begin with asterisk (*), pound (#) or colon (:). Feel free to re-edit your comments that way and remove this comment if you wish. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Abbasulu: Your comment here and the next one were causing Multiline table in list lint errors leading to indent leaks to the end of page. I fixed these lint errors by indirecting the Nav templates with
- The navboxes you cite actually aid in navigation. This doesn't. All you did was copy the list of the films he directed and made a navbox version with little navigational purpose. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Kamal Ahmed
- Template:Kamal Ahmed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Four links. Fails NENAN. All the links of articles are already listed on the director's article. No need for navbox when navigation is provided on said article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose - All films of this director are notable. Some has own wikipedia article. "No need for navbox when navigation is provided on said article" this is a weird logic, there are thousands of film director templates who are similar. Their filmography is already provided in his biography article's filmography segment. But still a navigational box containing all those films exist. You must check
{{Swapan Saha}}
,{{Birsa Dasgupta}}
,{{Srijit Mukherji}}
,{{Aparna Sen}}
etc. for example. Abbasulu (talk) 02:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The navboxes you cite actually aid in navigation. This doesn't. All you did was copy the list of the films he directed and made a navbox version with little navigational purpose. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Akhtaruzzaman
- Template:Akhtaruzzaman (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Two links. Fails navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Shameem Akhtar
- Template:Shameem Akhtar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
One link. No navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:TMTC bullet
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Unused other than in sandboxes. Replaced with {{ric|TriMet|color}}
. Gonnym (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NK Krško squad
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:NK Krško squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused squad navbox for a second-level football team. This navbox has been empty since 2019. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:NK Krka squad should also be deleted for the same reason. Snowflake91 (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 21:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 June 26. ✗plicit 14:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:Infobox_themed_area (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
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Unused (other than 1 old sandbox) and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Copenhagen S-train. Gonnym (talk) 08:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Template:School
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The result of the discussion was wrong venue. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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No transclusion. Redirect to {{Infobox school}}. Unclear template name so better off deleted. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Aidan721, redirects are discussed at WP:RFD not here per these instructions. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 June 26. ✗plicit 14:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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Old discussions
June 15
Template:Mitch Hedberg
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Four links to articles. Already linked on his mainspace article. Fails NENAN. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:58, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:18, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ✗plicit 23:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, connects 5 articles. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:24, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- We don't consider the title generally speaking --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Clearly you should consider the title, since that's the most important link in the navbox. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:03, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- The main article is important. But the body is where you get most of the connection to said title link. They do connect with the main subject, but if one more link in the body is added, then the navbox in my view passes the rule of thumb of NENAN which we rely on when making such nominations because there is no set policy at the moment. Even though, there should be. And all links are already featured on the main article. The navbox just duplicates the same list of links. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, the rule of thumb essay. Since this is not policy, so I will stay with keep. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:55, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- The main article is important. But the body is where you get most of the connection to said title link. They do connect with the main subject, but if one more link in the body is added, then the navbox in my view passes the rule of thumb of NENAN which we rely on when making such nominations because there is no set policy at the moment. Even though, there should be. And all links are already featured on the main article. The navbox just duplicates the same list of links. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Clearly you should consider the title, since that's the most important link in the navbox. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:03, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- We don't consider the title generally speaking --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
June 13
Template:Transclusion
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The template alleges it is utilized to avoid disruption and unnecessary server load while editing heavy articles. The unnecessary server load claim is unsubstantiated, and what it calls avoiding disruption really is an excuse to store article text in single-use templates to make it more difficult to edit the content, in direct contravention of WP:TG, and in a clear sign of WP:OWNBEHAVIOUR. — Guarapiranga ☎ 04:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- As a sidenote, I'll add that the accusation that this is somehow WP:OWN is not a valid delete rationale and seems off-topic (if you really think this is that, feel free to go make some dramah at the WP:Dramaboard) and a ridiculously obvious failure to AGF. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR/WP:5P5.
avoid disruption and unnecessary server load while editing heavy articles
is a perfectly legitimate reason to use templates, particularly when those do not need to be edited frequently (for example, Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis documents the final results of an election - it is extremely unlikely there is any good-faith reason to go substantially messing with these, and what other minor edits tend to happen are not really hampered by the use of a template) and even more so when they are really large (for example, Template:2012 Summer Olympics calendar comes in at nearly 40 kb (!!) of wikitext; and the 2021 election template comes it at well over 100 kb (!!!)). Also "keep" as the nominator does not present an accurate reading of the guideline (a mere guideline, on top of that) they are citing:Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content.
. So, beyond the fact that there are no firm rules on Wikipedia; the guideline itself makes clear that exceptions are possible. In this case, both on WP:KISS principles (since most editors will not need to edit those, such large templates being put directly in articles probably does more harm than good); and on the grounds that moving such tables out of mainspace is very likely to reduce disruption and vandalism to them (most vandalism is in article space, not in template space; and most vandals are not familiar with Wikipedia namespaces and template transclusion...). A template explaining this seems therefore perfectly appropriate. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It does make an excellent list of low hanging TFD fruit. :) --Izno (talk) 17:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- — Guarapiranga ☎ 02:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Guarapiranga Searching for "lightweight transclusion" in template space turns up a load of other candidates that have copied the wording of this template without actually transcluding it, e.g. Template:Case Closed manga introduction which is just a paragraph of text. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good one, 192.76.8.94! But all I could find, in addition to that one, was Template:Case Closed anime introduction. Let's add'em to the list above. What did I miss? — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Guarapiranga There's something wrong with your "insource" search, but I can't figure out what it is, sorry. Use the "hastemplate" parameter instead and it turns up the full 42 results: [1]. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed! (It's the curly brackets that are useless there, 192.76.8.94).
- @Guarapiranga There's something wrong with your "insource" search, but I can't figure out what it is, sorry. Use the "hastemplate" parameter instead and it turns up the full 42 results: [1]. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good one, 192.76.8.94! But all I could find, in addition to that one, was Template:Case Closed anime introduction. Let's add'em to the list above. What did I miss? — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Guarapiranga Searching for "lightweight transclusion" in template space turns up a load of other candidates that have copied the wording of this template without actually transcluding it, e.g. Template:Case Closed manga introduction which is just a paragraph of text. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, how does one batch list all these templates at once? Can Twinkle do that? I see people have requested this over the years—1, 6, 9, 11 years ago—but couldn't find a resolution to it. — Guarapiranga ☎ 01:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I ended up doing it manually here. — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, how does one batch list all these templates at once? Can Twinkle do that? I see people have requested this over the years—1, 6, 9, 11 years ago—but couldn't find a resolution to it. — Guarapiranga ☎ 01:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- WP:PERNOM is not a good argument, particularly when there is a detailed counter-argument just above. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your "detailed" counter argument doesn't persuade. This template seeks to eke out a broad exception to WP:TG, and that's not good enough. There may be some valid cases to keeping single/low-use templates out of mainspace (perhaps "complex use of other templates" is one), but I'm not willing to support a template that says so. As I said, it just makes a nice list of targets to ship to TFD. Your example Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis in fact is a good one to put back into mainspace, as "documents the final results of an election - it is extremely unlikely there is any good-faith reason to go substantially messing with these" is precisely a reason to put it back, because its presence defeats a central purpose of templates: to be a central place to make updates to many articles. Izno (talk) 21:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- How would sticking a 100+ kb template which doesn't need to be edited in an article be an improvement? It's much easier and in fact a good idea to split out these complex templates which only need infrequent (if any) editing, and this make the rest of the article easier to edit (by removing a massive amount of wikitext which most editors will have no reason to edit). Enforcing the "rules" would make Wikipedia harder to maintain; and this seems like a valid reason to make an exception (one which already has broad application in practice); ergo, a strict desire for enforcement of the "rules" should not be allowed to stand in the way of this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Citing IAR is almost never persuasive and usually and actively damages the argument citing it in a consensus discussion.
How would sticking a 100+ kb template which doesn't need to be edited in an article be an improvement?
1) It's article content. Article content goes in article space. This is almost a QED. 2) Most of these templates are not complicated. Long, but not complicated. 3) It disrupts the ability to find templates that actually are used correctly for their purpose. 4) It disrupts some editing tools.only need infrequent (if any) editing
It's not about whether it's needed, it's about whether someone who is able, can. You don't get to choose who those people are. That's why what you have said is being likened to WP:OWNership. Izno (talk) 23:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)- 1) there are plenty of instances of article content being transcluded from other pages (for consistency, for ease of editing, ...). I don't see how this is any different.
- 2) long and simple = still a lot of wikitext to parse trough to edit it
- 3) doesn't follow, even if you assume that these templates are being used incorrectly (heck, by this line of reasoning, this template should be kept so people know which kind of template they've fallen upon)
- 4) Editing tools being disrupted by transclusions (a frequent feature of Wikipedia) is the editing tool's problems.
"only need infrequent (if any) editing" It's not about whether it's needed, it's about whether someone who is able, can.
so, what? Someone who is able to find the template definitively can edit the template when needed; and all the others don't have a huge amount of wikitext to parse through when they don't need to. This is consistent with the WP:KISS principle, making Wikipedia easier to edit even for those who are not aware of it's technical difficulties. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)- I'll stop at 1:
there are plenty of instances of article content being transcluded from other pages (for consistency, for ease of editing, ...). I don't see how this is any different.
Your're contradicting yourself:
Making the tables themselves harder to edit is a feature, not a bug[1]
Section transclusion does indeed make consistent editing across articles easier--especially of tables!--as the transcluded content can be edited in the source article with Visual Editor (which is not available for templates, as these should not normally be used to store article text (WP:TG), but... templates, i.e. repetitive material that might need to show up on a larger number of articles or pages (H:T)--I'm sorry you understood it differently, RandomCanadian). — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)- You are deliberately misunderstanding despite me having explained this multiple times.
for ease of editing
[of the affected articles, not of the tables themselves, as I have been very consistently saying]. Section transclusion requires more technical know-how (it's not as simple as plopping down a{{template}}
) and is more prone to vandalism and disruption (since disruption to the article it's transcluded from is more likely than for an equivalent template). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- You are deliberately misunderstanding despite me having explained this multiple times.
- I'll stop at 1:
- How would sticking a 100+ kb template which doesn't need to be edited in an article be an improvement? It's much easier and in fact a good idea to split out these complex templates which only need infrequent (if any) editing, and this make the rest of the article easier to edit (by removing a massive amount of wikitext which most editors will have no reason to edit). Enforcing the "rules" would make Wikipedia harder to maintain; and this seems like a valid reason to make an exception (one which already has broad application in practice); ergo, a strict desire for enforcement of the "rules" should not be allowed to stand in the way of this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your "detailed" counter argument doesn't persuade. This template seeks to eke out a broad exception to WP:TG, and that's not good enough. There may be some valid cases to keeping single/low-use templates out of mainspace (perhaps "complex use of other templates" is one), but I'm not willing to support a template that says so. As I said, it just makes a nice list of targets to ship to TFD. Your example Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis in fact is a good one to put back into mainspace, as "documents the final results of an election - it is extremely unlikely there is any good-faith reason to go substantially messing with these" is precisely a reason to put it back, because its presence defeats a central purpose of templates: to be a central place to make updates to many articles. Izno (talk) 21:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- On the merits, all of the templates transcluding this one should be deleted roughly for the reasons explained by the nominator, and the argument for keeping is "let's randomly ignore established consensus" and should be given little weight. But that doesn't constitute a good reason to delete this template now rather than after it becomes unused. However, this template as written consists of two parts: a useless tautology that could be applied to almost every single template in existence, and a request to ignore WP:BOLD, so it should be deleted independently of whether its transcluding templates should be. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and pppery. I'm also not seeing a good reason to invoke IAR here. The template basically consists of two parts - some claims that transcluding a table via template is less server intensive than having it in an article directly, and instructions not to edit it because it might be disruptive. The performance claims are unsubstantiated and don't make any sense - how is it better for the servers to transclude a table in a template in addition to parsing it? The phrase "lightweight transclusion" doesn't appear to be used anywhere outside this template and clones of it. The instructions to avoid editing the template to avoid disruption are, again, unsubstantiated - How can editing a template transcluded onto one page cause so much disruption that you need to discus edits first? I also think the wording of this template is deep into WP:BEANS territory - if you tell people "don't edit this page or you'll break the servers" I think the most likely outcome is that you will scare off good faith editors and increase the incentive for vandals. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Convert to a cleanup template, eventually delete There are basically two issues involved in this TfD: a) is the practice of writing part of an article on a separate page and transcluding it into the original actually helpful? and b) if it is, is the template {{Transclusion}} itself useful? If the answer to a) is "no", then b) is mostly irrelevant – if every page on which the template is used is a candidate for substing and deletion, then the template can't possibly have any useful use and should be deleted. I think the answer to a) is in fact "no", for multiple reasons: contrary to what the template claims, it probably doesn't reduce server load (it reduces load on the client in some cases, but the server will have to read the whole template in able to transclude it, and this is slower than just using the wikitext directly); it makes pages harder for newer users to edit, whilst not doing much to stop experienced vandals, and as a side effect will make vandalism harder to spot (because it won't show up on the same watchlist as changes to the article); and (probably for these reasons) there's a guideline (WP:TG) specifically banning its use for article text (with the consensus for tables being unclear). I don't believe the server load argument (and suspect that most user's browsers will be able to handle long wikitext nowadays), and in cases where it's desirable to make a page harder for new users to edit, the generally accepted method is to semiprotect it. I can sort-of see the argument that it's more useful to inexperienced users to show some of a page's wikitext but not the rest when editing, but that's the reason why section headings come with edit links (and most of these sorts of long tables of data are likely to belong in sections of their own).
If consensus agrees with me that many of the pages with which this template is correctly tagged shouldn't exist, then we effectively have a cleanup/maintenance task on our hands – look at all the page fragments tagged with this template or its substed versions, and decide whether they should be subst'ed into the original article or whether using them as transclusions is preferable (in which case they aren't substantially different from the other pages in the Template: namespace, so we may as well remove this template from them). So what we'd logically want to do is to delete the template, then put a cleanup tag on every page that used it. We could save a lot of trouble by just editing the template into the cleanup tag, though – it should contain a summary of the relevant policy and an explanation of when these fragments should be in template namespace and when they should be WP:substed into the article. The main problem with this is that it's unclear what the relevant guidelines for this actually should be – this might need wider community input to come to a consensus on, rather than being confined to a single TfD.
Even if we decide that all the pages tagged with the template should exist, though, the template itself has serious wording issues; even though the policy is unclear, the current wording of the template definitely seems to be misrepresenting it (the "server load" argument seems specious, "lightweight transclusion" isn't defined and is probably misleading, and the only instruction is a WP:BOLD violation). The pages it's tagged with don't seem significantly different from everything else in the Template: namespace in terms of, e.g., what considerations are needed when editing them, so if we do keep them all, we should probably just remove this template from them and delete it. So either way, it makes sense to delete the template eventually; it's simply a matter of whether we want to do something about the pages tagged with it (and/or with subst'ed versions of it) first. --ais523 15:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- If consensus agrees with me that many of the pages with which this template is correctly tagged shouldn't exist
- I, for one, do, ais523.
- then we effectively have a cleanup/maintenance task on our hands
- Indeed we do.
- look at all the page fragments tagged with this template or its substed versions
- — Guarapiranga ☎ 02:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- And here they are, listed for discussion. — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- — Guarapiranga ☎ 02:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I won't fall into the trap of editors caught up in WP:OWN. If examples such as Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis fall by the wayside as a result of having this template deleted, I have the table backed up in my sandbox history to move it over to a new, or other main, article.Raellerby (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had a look at {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}} here, Raellerby, and tbh could't find anything so ominous and exceptional about it. It's a long table, yes, but transcluded into an article—the only one!—composed mostly of tables and maps, and little prose. Could it be 'minified' with row formatting templates? Sure. But that doesn't preclude {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}} from being subst'ed and deleted. So, yeah, not even that one is an exception to the rule (I'm not disagreeing with you). — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
June 9
Template:Good Entertainment
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Parent article deleted. Artists are not typically navigated by record label anyway as they constantly change and it would become too cumbersome. Also, all artists are "former" so without any "current" artists, there is even less of a navigational need. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The main article no longer exists. desmay (talk) 04:52, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 November 21#Record label templates revisited. K-pop agencies simply do not operate like record labels in the western world. There is a strong connection and constant overlap between the acts because of the culture fostered by the music industry in South Korea, which is explained in detail in a related deletion discussion. Of course all the entries are former artists, the company went bankrupt over a decade ago. The draft states this. ✗plicit 12:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- weak delete or move to draft space, if the parent article is revived, then I could see keeping this. but, until that happens, having a navbox without a parent article is not the best situation. Frietjes (talk) 19:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or move to draft/user space per above. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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