I am sad
I wish I could edit an article, but all of the articles are already edited. I don’t want to create a article because I’m not confident enough. What should I do. :( RandomDude6 (talk) 18:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- RandomDude6 It would be an extremely rare thing for an article to be 100% complete and not need any changes. There are over 6 million articles here. You could click the "random article" button continuously to see if ones that need work come up. You can visit the community portal which has tasks that need to be done. 331dot (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, RandomDude6, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can also find a WikiProject that interests you. WikiProjects focus on specific kinds of articles; not all of them are active, but their project pages typically include goals and resources at least. You can use this to find articles you'd like to work on – many lower-traffic articles need plenty of work, including things that are easier to do as a newcomer, such as spelling and grammar fixes and integrating with more links. Hope this helps! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you RandomDude6 (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Stay updated with current affairs and then add value to the article by editing. As Randomdude6 said, that there are plethora of articles which needs information. You can search " stub" articles which means information needed in article. Shwetamits (talk) 08:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- There is also the Wikipedia:Task Center with lots of suggestions of things you can do. Mathglot (talk) 02:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Uploading images
Not sure whether this question should go under Help Desk or Policy at the "Village Pump" instead of here— but since the Teahouse is for newcomers and I'm still one, I'll go ahead here.
I wanted to upload several photos, one of the person who is the subject of an article I'm editing, and others that would be of interest to the topic of the article. Each time I get a notice that seems to say I can't do it unless it's a photo I myself took or I have some sort of permission to use it. But there are lots of photos throughout Wikipedia articles. If editors choose photos judiciously and give proper attribution, why the barrier?
I did notice, and looked at, some ancillary information that seemed to say it's possible, but I found it somewhat confusing. Augnablik (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Attribution doesn't negate copyright - attribution is required for compatibly licensed images, but giving attribution for a copyrighted image (ie. not pd or CC by 4.0) doesn't mean we can use it. So unless you own the copyright or can demonstrate it's compatibly licensed, it cannot be uploaded. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, for more specifics, here's a link to the image use policy: Wikipedia:Image use policy#Identifying usable images. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I realize there's a distinction between types of images, but I was thinking of only ones that are in places like articles, books, etc. — ones that we see referenced all the time in publications, just like quotations of text. I'll read the information at the link you sent, and thanks for it, but I just wanted to make that clear. Augnablik (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Images that you see in books, especially, have gotten clearance from the copyright holders-- often by the book publisher paying a negotiated license fee to each copyright holder. You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted. The images in WP articles are in ths public domain, or licensed with one of the acceptable Creative Commons licenses, or are used under the documented rules for "fair use". If you click on any WP image, you will see information about the image, including its copyright status. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- So then, Praxidicae, if an image published in a book is shown at a Web site, it should be okay to copy into a Wikipedia article, right? Augnablik (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, no, absolutely not. Being published in a book or uploaded to a website is not a guarantee that an image has been released under an appropriate license. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 15:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik I will repeat: "You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted". My point about images in books is that those images have been licensed with (usually) a license fee and a license agreement with each copyright holder. I hope it is clear now. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- So then, Praxidicae, if an image published in a book is shown at a Web site, it should be okay to copy into a Wikipedia article, right? Augnablik (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Images that you see in books, especially, have gotten clearance from the copyright holders-- often by the book publisher paying a negotiated license fee to each copyright holder. You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted. The images in WP articles are in ths public domain, or licensed with one of the acceptable Creative Commons licenses, or are used under the documented rules for "fair use". If you click on any WP image, you will see information about the image, including its copyright status. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I realize there's a distinction between types of images, but I was thinking of only ones that are in places like articles, books, etc. — ones that we see referenced all the time in publications, just like quotations of text. I'll read the information at the link you sent, and thanks for it, but I just wanted to make that clear. Augnablik (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Self-paced online tutorials?
Now that I'm getting into adding citations on several Wiki articles I'm editing, I'm wondering if Wikipedia offers any self-paced online tutorials available on this sort of thing. That would make understanding and correct application of the information so much easier and avoid mistakes as well as uncomfortable corrections from Wiki powers-that-be later on. Augnablik (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik There is a useful video and lots of other links at Help:Referencing for beginners. I also made a short one some while ago at WP:EASYREFBEGIN. You can find other types of videos at Wikipedia:Instructional material. Hopefully one or more may be of interest to you. Don't worry about making mistakes - so long as it's obvious you made an error in good faith, it doesn't matter. OK - it's never nice having one's edits reverted. But we have >6.2million articles here, so corrections and communication is often abrupt and easily taken the wrong way. See WP:BEBOLD Nick Moyes (talk) 09:35, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Nick! I think that "Referencing for beginners" link you mentioned is the one I started looking at and pretty soon threw my hands up in discouragement ... even though I have a doctorate and am quite used to citations. I'm always grateful when I see that someone has made a training tool because he or she too had difficulty with something that's supposed to work. Augnablik (talk) 08:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik: The Wikipedia adventure is the interactive tutorial. I have heard mostly good things about it, but never tried it myself. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Changing my previously published edits to Watch This Page status
I've made some major edits on several articles for which I didn't check the Watch This Page box when I published them but now I wish I had. The reason I didn't at the time was because I had previously checked Watch This Page for the articles and thought that would trigger alerts for all future edits if other editors came along later and changed them. Only gradually did it dawn on me that I probably should have checked all my major edits each time I published them. I wouldn't want that to happen! Augnablik (talk) 09:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- The edits should be in your contributions provided the pages haven't been deleted; you can then go to those articles from there and watch those pages. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 09:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jéské, but if I understand your feedback on my issue correctly, I don't think it quite matches the issue I was trying to describe. You see, I'm a little concerned that another editor might come along and revert or otherwise change one of my edits, especially major ones, and so I would like to be alerted whenever the page is changed in any way. Does that happen automatically once an editor asks for a page to be watched permanently? I thought so at first, but then later began to think I had to ask for it edit by edit. Augnablik (talk) 08:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik: pages ("articles") are watched in full, not edit-by-edit, so if you did add them to your watchlist in edit #1 then edit #2 should not remove it from your watchlist. There might be some subtle details with temporary watchlisting: if you do edit #1 on January 1st and add the article to the watchlist for 30 days, then do edit #2 on January 15th, the watchlisting will last only until February 1st, not February 15th.
- See Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist to edit your watchlist preferences, and see Help:Watchlist#Controlling_which_pages_are_watched for the manual. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
How to cite a quotation from a dedication or foreword page
Try as I might, I couldn't find any way to cite a quotation from an author's dedication page — one of those up-front pages that has no page number. If I tried to write "Dedication by author" in the Pages field of the citation template, the result would put pp. before the quoted text. Nothing else in the various field choices worked well, either. Eventually, I just left off an attribution for the quote, but I know that's not correct. Augnablik (talk) 10:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I believe all you need to do is add |no-pp=yes to the {{cite book}} reference. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 10:22, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- It may not be relevant for the exact citation you want to use, Augnablik but the {{rp}} template takes any text as a parameter, so you could use {{cite book}} as normal, with something like : i (if the dedication is on page "i") or even : author dedication . Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- As Mike Turnbull intimates above, by convention books whose numbered page "1" is several pages into the book have all preceding pages (called collectively "Front matter", "preliminaries" or "prelims") numbered in lower-case Roman numerals. Sometimes these numerals (or some of them) are actually printed; more often they are not, but can be inferred by physically counting them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.65 (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Mike Turnbull and 90.205.225.65 (?) ... as I get more and more into Wiki citations, I'm beginning to wish there were some self-scorable tests we could take on this topic. I'm finding citations much more complicated than I expected, even though I'm fairly good at them outside of Wiki work. Augnablik (talk) 08:28, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Google Books
Is this a reliable source? How do you know if a book is reliable enough to be cited in an article? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 12:22, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, @Vortex3427, and welcome to the Teahouse. Generally first you want to look at the publisher, which in this case seems to be Open Court Publishing Company, whose parent company is Carus Publishing Company. Neither company seems to be a vanity press, which means they are likely to be providing some sort of editorial oversight. The second thing to consider is whether the publishing company has some sort of fringe-y point of view that you were trying to insert into an article using this source as a support. What article were you wanting to use it for, and what assertion within that article were you wanting to specifically support? valereee (talk) 13:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm looking for information on a character (Barb from Stranger Things). Would this be regarded as a useful source for analysis and/or factual info? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 05:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Vortex3427, from a quick look at the book's description, it looks like a reasonable source for that. The key issue is always when you get to Stranger Things, and you add something sourced to this book, if you find other editors there object to this book, you can't just argue that since someone at Teahouse said it looked like a reasonable source, they have to allow it. There are 535 watchers on that page, 118 of whom visited recent edits, and the talk page has three archives. You may find you need to discuss this source there. valereee (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Is there a basic rule of thumb for the reliability of any book or source? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 03:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Vortex3427. Per WP:RS, it depends. WP:SPS says that self published sources aren't really reliable unless the author is an expert at it. We like sources with a tendency to fact-check what they publish. If you want to ask about the reliability of an individual source, there's a noticeboard for that. Hope this helps. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 03:41, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Vortex3427, reliability can be complicated, but the minimum is "is there evidence of editorial oversight?" If there isn't, the source is not reliable. valereee (talk) 12:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Is there a basic rule of thumb for the reliability of any book or source? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 03:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Vortex3427, from a quick look at the book's description, it looks like a reasonable source for that. The key issue is always when you get to Stranger Things, and you add something sourced to this book, if you find other editors there object to this book, you can't just argue that since someone at Teahouse said it looked like a reasonable source, they have to allow it. There are 535 watchers on that page, 118 of whom visited recent edits, and the talk page has three archives. You may find you need to discuss this source there. valereee (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm looking for information on a character (Barb from Stranger Things). Would this be regarded as a useful source for analysis and/or factual info? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 05:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
prevention in posting article
in my recent article lurinjyoti gogoi was added a tag of not touching the notability of the person . but the sources are enough to show the notability. i'm felling like again and again i'm prevented from posting article in wikipedia. I hope anyone who doesn't know anytrhing on the article,just using references , don't try to determine the notability. i don't wanna violate any rules of the website but i at least know who is notable or not Baruahranuj 13:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Baruah ranuj Notability in Wikipedia's somewhat stringent sense (see WP:GNG) has nothing to do with what you or I judge to be notable but rather is something long established by consensus among those who have been creating this encyclopaedia over many years. I note that you have removed the tag on the article which was placed there by Robertsky, who is an experienced new-page reviewer. I suggest that you continue to add reliable secondary sources to the article (which has not been deleted or draftified) so that it might be more likely to survive any deletion discussion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I had explained myself at my talk page, but since @Baruah ranuj is resistant to having the tag on the page, another NPP reviewer will look at the article as it is still in the NPP queue (as of writing of this comment). – robertsky (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Baruah ranuj You say "I hope anyone who doesn't know anytrhing on the article,just using references , don't try to determine the notability". I will echo what Mike Turnbull said, perhaps in plainer language: The cited references are exactly what any reader or editor should use to determine a subject's notability. That is the policy here. Hope this helps. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's a source on the person's biography. Is it secondary source ?Michael D. Turnbull
Baruahranuj 14:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Baruah ranuj. That link you supplied doesn't work for me but in principle newspaper articles are fine provided they are not based mainly on an interview. If they are, that's a primary source, otherwise, yes, it counts as secondary. Your main problem is to meet the requirements of notability for a politician. I'm no expert but I would say that this will be a challenge, since he has, so far, failed to get elected to a national position. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'd add to provided they are not based mainly on an interview that they also shouldn't be based mainly on a press release. valereee (talk) 16:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull, there is an encoded character at the end of the link @Baruah ranuj provided. Here's the working link: [1]. – robertsky (talk) 17:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- (Edit cnflict) I've searched the newspaper to find the correct URL here. It appears to be a brief cv produced by the candidate himself prior to the election, so in effect is a press release. That newspaper has several hits on the person's name but as far as I can see they are all brief mentions, so fail the test of significant coverage, Baruah ranuj Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Baruah ranuj. That link you supplied doesn't work for me but in principle newspaper articles are fine provided they are not based mainly on an interview. If they are, that's a primary source, otherwise, yes, it counts as secondary. Your main problem is to meet the requirements of notability for a politician. I'm no expert but I would say that this will be a challenge, since he has, so far, failed to get elected to a national position. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
The details are written by digital desk as mentioned there . How you know that he himself provided pwn data? (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baruah ranuj (talk • contribs) 17:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Appears he is the President of a minor politcal party and lost (badly) in the one election he he ran for office. None of the candidates his party put forward in the election were winners. In my opinion he fails WP:GNG. David notMD (talk) 18:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Steps to prevent a specific IP from editing a page
Hello,
I'd like to better understand the steps to stop an IP from editing a page. An IP user has been editing the same page and removing references every time without any justification. The user had an initial warning on their talk page, but I'm just not sure of the steps to request a block and that process. As an aside, some, but not all, of these edits are being blocked by an edit filter, which is confusing to me since it doesn't appear consistent. The user's contributions and the page, Barbara Osborn Kreamer. Engineerchange (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Engineerchange: You can request that the article be protected from editing by IPs at WP:RPP. Use the same evidence as you posted here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks Mike! --Engineerchange (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Engineerchange. I have indefinitely blocked that IP address from editing that specific article. Cullen328 (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I just happened to scroll past this discussion and got interested. Although I'm in no need of blocking anyone at the moment — and hopefully ever — I'm curious what would happen if the blocked editor has good reason to think that the editor who blocked him/her was the bad guy instead.
- No implicit incriminations here, Engineerchange! Augnablik (talk) 08:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks Mike! --Engineerchange (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
More secondary sources
Hi, my draft:ThaWave Podcast recently got rejected and the reviewer asked for "sources independent of the subject". I have added sources more sources; can someone please help cross-check this draft and advice where necessary?
Also, is the UNICEF is reliable secondary source? Thanks
Majokthefirst (talk) 05:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since UNICEF is the only source you specify, Majokthefirst, I took a look at it. You cite two UNICEF pages. One (this one) is used as a reference for "This program educates the general public on the laws against child marriage and the repercussions this has on the mental and physical status of these children and the program is believed to have sent over 15 girls back to school" in which "this program" refers to "[a] recently created sensitization program dubbed 'Give her a pen, not a man'". So I infer the UNICEF page says this about "Give her a pen, not a man". Except that it does not. None of the strings "give", "15", "fifteen", and "sudan" appear within it. And therefore providing this page ("Last updated June 2022", and therefore before you digested it) as a reference for this assertion is fraudulent. -- Hoary (talk) 06:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Hoary, I forgot to specify I used the source you quoted above to define the prevalence of child marriage: Other sources are directly mention the subject. I will remove the said source and add a more relevant one. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majokthefirst (talk • contribs) 06:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Majokthefirst, if what's presented as a source doesn't directly mention the subject then obviously it's not a source. But directly mentioning the subject, while necessary, is insufficient. The text of an article consists of a series of propositions. For example: "Opposition MPs Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford have both openly called Johnson a liar in the House of Commons." A reference for that needn't say that Butler and Blackford are opposition MPs (this is uncontroversial and can be verified via the articles about them), but it must say that they've both openly called Johnson a liar in the House of Commons. Alternatively, it could be supported by two references, one saying this about Butler and the other saying the same about Blackford. -- Hoary (talk) 09:31, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response! I corrected this mistake and the article is good to go! Majokthefirst (talk) 09:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- FYI - Your draft was Declined, which is less severe than Rejected. David notMD (talk) 11:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response! I corrected this mistake and the article is good to go! Majokthefirst (talk) 09:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Draft:R Nait
Courtesy link: Draft:R Nait
I am editing this page but I need help to edit this page and gathering resources and please tell me how can I add a image in articles with mobile phone step by step Devine666 (talk) 05:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- This photo you'd like to add, Devine666: did you find it on the internet? -- Hoary (talk) 06:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I found it on the internet, Devine666 (talk) 07:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, you're probably not allowed to use it. --VersaceSpace 🌃 07:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- What VersaceSpace said. But, Devine666, exactly where did you find it on the internet? -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- OP blocked as a sockpuppet. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I found it on the internet, Devine666 (talk) 07:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Problem with spacing edit
I've got a small problem, but it's bugging me. In the Film noir article, fifth paragraph of the Problems of definition section, look at the sentence "Alain Silver, the most widely published American critic...." You can see that "published" and "American" abut. I went to Edit source and added a space but nothing changed in the article. I added several more spaces in the edit screen, and same deal. You can see the extra spaces there. And it just wasn't when I hit Show preview, I put the edit through. I didn't have any trouble making other edits to the article. Any solution? (By the way, is there any way to link to specific sections of an article instead of the entire page? I'd like to start doing that, if possible.) -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's probably just in your head? I don't see anything, even when I zoom in (using my computer, Vector 2022 skin). You can link to specific sections with Film noir#problems of definition, like this, and it'll start at the section on the right of the hashtag. VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 06:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Pete Best Beatles, I can't see them abutting. HTML normally treats a thousand (or however many) consecutive spaces in the same way that it treats a single space. Yes, you can link to anywhere in a page (not only to a specific section). See Template:Anchor. (Vortex's method of linking will work too, as long as nobody retitles or amalgamates the section. The Anchor template is free of this problem.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- To my eyes they are just about touching. The real problem is that adding multiple spaces multiple times didn't make "American critic" budge at all. You can see the extra spaces on the edit page, and they don't appear in the article itself. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm using Firefox 102.0.1 (under MX-Linux), and my eyes show nothing wrong. If this abutting business worries you, consider using an alternative to whichever browser you're now using. (When I'm annoyed by Firefox, which is unusual, I use Chromium.)
Mediawiki may or may not retain multiple spaces [see what I did there?] when it converts what we write into HTML: I can't be bothered to check. If it (sensibly) deletes all but one in a string of spaces, then the extra spaces are pointless. If it fails to do so, then, as I have said, they're ignored in HTML, so again they're pointless.-- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC) strikeout Hoary (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm using Firefox 102.0.1 (under MX-Linux), and my eyes show nothing wrong. If this abutting business worries you, consider using an alternative to whichever browser you're now using. (When I'm annoyed by Firefox, which is unusual, I use Chromium.)
- To my eyes they are just about touching. The real problem is that adding multiple spaces multiple times didn't make "American critic" budge at all. You can see the extra spaces on the edit page, and they don't appear in the article itself. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mediawiki retains multiple spaces [see what I did there?] when it converts what we write into HTML. (I'm surprised that it does so.) Repeated spaces are ignored in HTML, so there's no point inserting them. -- Hoary (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Pete Best Beatles, I (retired print editor, FWIW) have just changed the 4 spaces present when I looked to 1, and also see no difference, or problem in the display (using Firefox on Windows 11, if it matters). I suggest that if you are (still) seeing one, it might be an artifact or glitch of your current device, font, etc. Try accessing the article from a different device. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.65 (talk) 16:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- When I finish with an article I do a double space search to find where extra spaces exist but do not readily show up especially if tabs have been inserted. Sometimes it is just the natural spaces between characters of certain type faces. Things can come out if say you cut and past it into an email message. Your time; your choise.2603:8000:D300:D0F:B47F:8C30:9EA5:CF42 (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn't appear relevant to the question. @Pete Best Beatles: Like the other replies, I see nothing unusual about the spacing in "published American". It's a normal space character. There are no unusual characters like a thin space. There are ways to make wider space but don't do it when there is a normal space character. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Report
Can somebody plz advise/ help out? I'm new to wiki reporting. My edit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/117.198.114.157&oldid=1097228539) is not listed here: Special:History/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations
Why? I am not sure if I have done the report right or it got throught or what happened. Special:Contributions/117.198.114.157 and Special:Contributions/117.198.112.181; the other similar ip seems to have socked and trailed me to another page for an edit war. Just wanna know if a regd user is doing em. The ip addresses look similar and got active around the same time.
- The user doubtfully poses POV neutraliser while pushing a non inclusive and pro majoritarian Hindu religious POV himself/ herself Fyi: Special:MobileDiff/1097214303
- claims "poor quality" while disrupting page and edit warring Special:MobileDiff/1097179392
- pretends "grammar" while pushing Hindu religious majoritarianism and ownership of langot see Special:MobileDiff/1097185206
Nick Moyes thanks for the invite — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolicamaca (talk • contribs) 13:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/117.198.114.157 - 97.126.96.239 (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Nolicamaca, welcome to the Teahouse. Your report appears to have been added - see link above - but in order to try to tie the IP user(s) to a particular account, you would need to name the account (and check users can't publicly tie IPs to accounts in any case, just so you know). If you can prove enough behavioral similarities between the two IPs, you might be able to get those blocked for sockpuppetry, but you'd need to provide more information in the report itself - adding the information you posted here would be a good start.
- A report to WP:ANI, WP:AIV or WP:AN3 - depending on the type of disruption - is usually faster and easier than an SPI. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 14:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey! @User:97.126.96.239 but the the edit is still not here though: Special:History/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations
Just saw the checkuser clerk decline, while "behaviour investigation is pending". I have just been reading sourcing and editing for hours today and I'm hungry now. Will surely do it tomorrow if there's no progress. Thanks again. May the force be with you. Bye see ya. Nolicamaca (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Nolicamaca, that's just a link to the edit history of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, it's not a listing of currently active investigations. If you look at the page itself, the case you filed is listed. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
I see! i think i found suspicious behaviour with a regd and and I'm collecting evidence for ANI! Tq.Nolicamaca (talk) 14:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Nolicamaca This is not sockpuppetry - this is just how dynamic IP addresses work - they change within the same range on a regular basis. Sockpuppetry is the deliberate and deceptive use of multiple accounts/IPs for illegitimate purposes. Since you haven't provided any evidence of that IP address either illegitimately using an account or attempting to mislead by using multiple IPs I expect the SPI will be declined as unactionable and probably deleted as a malformed report. You should read WP:Sockpuppetry and User:Blablubbs/How to file a good SPI to understand what sockpuppetry is and what SPI clerks are looking for in a report. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Turns out your right. Have you seen above diffs? I guess ip addresses cannot be checked our linked to regd user due to privacy, right? In this case a loophole/ the misuse of privacy but the ip has stopped the disruption/ war. Nolicamaca (talk) 14:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Some device’s don’t have a canned edit summary
Why does only mobile app have canned edit summary, but the other devices do not? Is it only on phone? Can you compare between iOS and desktop? 2600:1010:B149:A097:8846:CA2E:F2D8:7069 (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unless enabled in account preferences, canned edit summaries are only a part of the mobile app and not desktops or on the web. This page has more information. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 14:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Why it is not designed for desktops, but for iOS? 2600:1010:B149:A097:8846:CA2E:F2D8:7069 (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Canned edit summaries just aren't available on the English Wikipedia on browsers. From the page linked above:
While this is a convenient feature for users, some may click or tap the buttons simply because the buttons are there, or perhaps they think they have to select one (i.e., they believe the edit will not be saved unless they enter a summary, which is not true). Consequently, one may see a substantial edit with the summary "Fixed typo" or other misleading summary.
Hope that helps. Bsoyka (talk) 18:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Canned edit summaries just aren't available on the English Wikipedia on browsers. From the page linked above:
- Why it is not designed for desktops, but for iOS? 2600:1010:B149:A097:8846:CA2E:F2D8:7069 (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Editing without citations
Hi, I am thinking of adding adding additional info to the page Khumar Barabankvi due to the fact I personally know one of his grandkids but I don't have citations. Am I allowed to do this?
Anonymous569 (talk) 14:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Anonymous569, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that is not allowed - content added to Wikipedia must be verifiable, and not based on the personal knowledge or experience of editors. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 14:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- It is not a matter of allowed. It will not last very long so why use your time. Some editors will "blame" you for moving something that is already part of an article that is not verified by reputable sources like your grandmothers handwritten recipe book.2603:8000:D300:D0F:B47F:8C30:9EA5:CF42 (talk) 01:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- It is a matter of allowed as the link on "verifiable" shows. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- It is not a matter of allowed. It will not last very long so why use your time. Some editors will "blame" you for moving something that is already part of an article that is not verified by reputable sources like your grandmothers handwritten recipe book.2603:8000:D300:D0F:B47F:8C30:9EA5:CF42 (talk) 01:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Categories
How do I add certain categories to an article? I'm having a hard time figuring it out. Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try visiting WP:CATSPECIFIC and watching the video. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate In the source editor you add them using the same format as a link, e.g. adding
[[category:1982 births]]
to an article would add the article to the category 1982 births. By convention category links are placed at the very end of the article. In the visual editor the option to add categories is in the "page information" dropdown menu. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)- Thanks a lot for the responses! Appreciate it. Dissoxciate (talk) 18:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I actually recommend the Wikipedia:HotCat gadget because it shows buttons to add and remove categories on the list of categories itself. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 19:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Swapping to visual editor
I cannot figure this out
I cannot figure out how to switch from the normal editor to the visual editor. History Buff1239ubj (talk) 18:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @History Buff1239ubj In the top right corner click the image of the pencil and swap to the image of the eye. Note that the visual editor is not enabled in all namespaces - in some situations you will have to use the source editor. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. And also thank you for helping with Lord Clive-class monitor. History Buff1239ubj (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Weird transclusion
On Talk:Prince Rupert's cube, we have Template:Did you know nominations/Prince Rupert's cube transcluded, but the actual article talk page is empty. What's the technical reason for this? I don't see a relevant NOINCLUDE in the template. Ovinus (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Ovinus On Template:Did you know nominations/Prince Rupert's cube there's a pair of noinclude tags inside the #if parser function at the top and bottom of the template. The
{{#if:yes|1|2}}
part of the page is checking if "yes" is an empty string (which it isn't) so the content between the first and second pipes (i.e. "1") is returned, which in this case includes the noinclude tag. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 19:22, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Adding citations and then doing a Captcha it won't do anything after doing Captcha
Help The babajaga (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Depends if it is WP's program doing it or your computer has stalled.2603:8000:D300:D0F:B47F:8C30:9EA5:CF42 (talk) 01:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi The babajaga, welcome to the Teahouse. It's almost certainly not your computer which has stalled. Some users report issues with captchas and we often don't know why. Your account becomes autoconfirmed after four days and ten edits. Then you no longer have to enter a captcha to add external links. Can you wait for that? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, The babajaga. An easy mistake to make (as I did initially) is to enter the required 'word' in the CAPTCHA box and then hit the "Refresh" button next to it. This button actually means "I can't read the CAPTCHA text requested, please give me another example."
- Instead, make sure you enter the requested word and then scroll down to the 'Publish change' button and hit that. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230 195} 90.205.225.65 (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Strange
It seems people are often excoriated here for calling Wikipedia articles "pages", but when I receive e-mail notices about watched articles, the message in my in-box is always "Wikipedia page X has been changed...". Strange. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 00:29, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- if people who deliver messages can continue to be called pages then I am certain that what we call paper with information on it will continue to be called pages and when only screens exist it will be a distinction that you can tell from when a person dates or their line of reference exists. Trained as an archivist and historian there are many words or terms that have changed yet we all can still get upset over them. There are some things that were done manually in days past that they do not do in third world nations.2603:8000:D300:D0F:B47F:8C30:9EA5:CF42 (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think posters are only "excoriated" for saying "profile" or "my page". Those terms hint that the poster has a misunderstanding about the nature of Wikipedia articles. The terms are often used by posters who make demands that Wikipedia doesn't want to meet. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Pete Best Beatles: The email uses a term for pages in all namespaces: Articles, talk pages, user pages, and so on. I don't think it could currently be customized for articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- You'd think they'd select a default phrase that reflects the majority of uses. I bet there are more changes to articles in a given day than all the bona fide pages combined. Why, if it were my Wikipedia, I'd...(whoops, can't say that). -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 01:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Attacking midfielder football
How does one put on notice that a previously used article title has been superceded and what is its new reference yet cannot be found so easily by those who think they are in the know about the subject?2603:8000:D300:D0F:B47F:8C30:9EA5:CF42 (talk) 00:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- You could use a "hatnote" such as {{About}}, like is used at the top of Midfielder RudolfRed (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean. Attacking midfielder hasn't been an article since one day in 2005. It's a redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
IP editor attempting to replace 'pro life' term with 'anti - abortion'
An IP editor has replaced mentions of 'pro life' in Direct lobbying in the United States, Claudio Grech, and Cape Town Pride with 'anti-abortion'. The edit summary for the edits are just the words 'Wikipedia requires NPOV' or 'neutral POV'. I reverted the edit on Cape Town Pride but I want to ask: Is the phrase 'pro life' actually an NPOV violation or is the IP editor wrong? The phrase 'pro-life' is used interchangeably with the words 'anti abortion' in most news coverage so I'm confused about which term can be used. Thank you. SpodleTalk 02:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Spodle. It's controversial but we are an international encyclopedia. The terms pro-life and pro-choice were both chosen for promotional reasons and need context or prior knowledge to give them meaning. Readers from other countries may not know what they mean in the US. I don't know whether they are common in Malta and South Africa. Talk:United States anti-abortion movement/Archive 7#Requested move 19 May 2018 had some disagreement but decided on these moves:
- United States pro-life movement → United States anti-abortion movement
- United States pro-choice movement → United States abortion-rights movement
- I agree with this. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Me too. "Pro-life" is inherently POV - who is "anti-life"? There are similar issues with terminology on the other side. Johnbod (talk) 03:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- To be honest, the phrase 'pro life' sounds weird without context. Like there's an anti-life movement that is planning to destroy all hospitals to ensure the goal of their movement. It just sounds like if you are pro-abortion, you aren't for life. The only confusion I had was the use of 'pro-life' and 'anti-abortion' in news reports. Some use anti-abortion, and some use pro-life. (some examples)News articles that use 'pro life'
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/pro-life-dobbs-roe-culture-of-life/661394/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pro-life-is-not-just-opposing-abortion-vatican-says-after-us-ruling-2022-06-25/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/pro-life-young-women-roe-abortion.htmlNews articles that use 'anti abortion'
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/07/joe-biden-roe-v-wade-chad-meredith
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/09/bbc-bitesize-gave-platform-to-extreme-anti-abortion-group
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/26/anti-abortion-states-split-on-how-to-enforce-ban-whether-to-prosecute-or-surveil-doctors.html SpodleTalk 03:39, 10 July 2022 (UTC)- It may often depend on who the author supports. It's impressive that the American pro-life movement has gotten so many to use the term. "Pro-life" could have meant a lot of things, e.g. concerning death penalty, assisted suicide, healthcare access, animal treatment, gun control, war, and so on. "Pro-fetus" would be more logical if you don't want to be called anti-something, but it doesn't sound as good. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:59, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Emails
Where should received emails be visible? My notifications include "Dur Godiva sent you an email." but it isn't in my ISP's website inbox - there's no spam folder - or my Outlook inbox (all emails received go to both). On 30 June I left a message on Dur Godiva's Talk but there hasn't been any response. Mcljlm (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Normally, e-mail that I am sent goes to the address in my preferences. That's a bit weird that the messages are not being received. Have you confirmed your e-mail address? weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 03:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- The notification means that the user used Special:EmailUser/Mcljlm, for example via the "Email this user" link at User:Mcljlm, and our software sent a normal email to the address stored at Special:Preferences. Emails can be lost, for example blocked by spam filters before reaching a point where you can see them. If your Wikipedia mails never arrive (you can mail yourself for testing but may not get a notification) then consider trying another mail service for your Wikipedia account, e.g. at Comparison of webmail providers. Most communication at Wikipedia is on talk pages and it's optional to give an email address. Without it, you will lose access to the account if you forget the password. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Trying to add babel to my user page
Hi i am trying to add the babel language thingy and i am changing the background and border colour but i dont know the code thank you
why is colour spelled wrong SlightlyPopularPerson (talk) 03:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do you mean, "color"? It is the computer version of the generally used spelling, "colour". Narutmaru (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
About My account
my main id get blocked becouse of sockpupet policy but that time I didn't know much about sockpupet policy I request and apologise so many times but no one pay attention to my request Eventually I had to create a new account.But I am afraid that this id may also get blocked. Can you guys tell me what should I do so my new ID not get blocked Jaspreet Singh Riar (talk) 05:50, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Blocks apply per person, not per account. Since your original account Jaspreetsingh6 is blocked , you're not allowed to edit here. I see your original account has an active unblock request, please return to it. WP:GAB might be of interest. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jaspreetsingh6, confirmation of six sockpuppet accounts. David notMD (talk) 11:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
How to add references
Ive been on here for like 10 mins now pls help Simohayhafan (talk) 06:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Simohayhafan Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A good place to learn about referencing is this page. 331dot (talk) 06:50, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- thanks Simohayhafan (talk) 06:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
When will my page get re-reviewed
still waiting Simohayhafan (talk) 07:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Simohayhafan Reviews are conducted by volunteers, doing what they can when they can, there is no timeframe, and it's possible it could take months- though your draft is likely to be declined quickly. Your personal knowledge is unacceptable as a source, as there is no way to verify that. All articles on Wikipedia must summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. Wikipedia does not summarize personal knowledge. 331dot (talk) 07:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. Simohayhafan (talk) 07:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Simohayhafan
He Kinda decided. Hey imma make something like this.
Does that sound anything at all like something you would read in an encyclopedia? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Simohayhafan Your Draft:Suomi KP-22 has been declined twice for lack of references, use of personal knowledge ('original research' is forbidden) and inappropriate style. I strongly recommend you model your attempts on articles about other military weapons. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Connecting with other editors on their Talk Page
I want to connect with another editor who I noticed fortuitously in the Teahouse is editing one of the same articles that I am, but not in reply to the message I saw. Long story short, I understand I'm supposed to be able to write him on his Talk Page ... but how? I don't see an option in the lefthand column. All I see there that's relevant to my query is an e-mail option, but that's not what I want. I would have assumed there'd be an option like Message on Talk Page near the e-mail option. Augnablik (talk) 07:50, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you click on the View History tab for that article you will see a list of contributors. Next to the name of each editor is a Talk link that you can use to access their talk page. Shantavira|feed me 11:29, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Mysterious error message
This came up when I tried to publish some recent changes in an article I'm editing:
Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404)
I tried to publish several more times after the message first came up, but the same thing kept happening.
Does this mean whatever I've done is going to be lost? Augnablik (talk) 08:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik This is a known and frequently recurring bug in the visual editor, see Phab:T266971 for a list of some of the reports of this occurring. It can be triggered for all kinds of reasons, e.g. leaving a page open too long or issues with the servers. You should still be able to edit the pages using the source editor. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Also, @Augnablik, while I am by no means an technical expert, from experience, refreshing you browser's cache seems to sometimes work for me (but take this with a
graina huge pile of salt) . If you don't want to lose your edits in the meantime, copy your edits into a separate text window like a word document or a notepad app. Happy editing! HenryTemplo (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2022 (UTC)- HenryTempo, I'm already copying my edits into a separate place ... I guess I didn't make too many new ones that I might lose, so even if refreshing my browser's cache despite all the salt doesn't work — or as 192.76.8.85 suggested, trying the source editor — maybe it wouldn't be a major loss. Augnablik (talk) 18:12, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wow. Let's hope the tekkies get this figured out soon. I did leave the page open a long time, so that's probably why it happened. I'll try the source editor, as you suggested, though I find it sort of a scary place. ;) Augnablik (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Also, @Augnablik, while I am by no means an technical expert, from experience, refreshing you browser's cache seems to sometimes work for me (but take this with a
were magovanyika village is located
were magovanyika village is located Tafadzwa magovanyika (talk) 08:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Tafadzwa magovanyika To find information about general information, WP:Teahouse is not the place. Instead, I would suggest you either try a Google search, or WP:Reference Desk. Narutmaru (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
BLP article changed to redirect?
I am a bit confused here. A page that I worked on and promoted to main space (Samantha Gorman was just changed into a redirect. The reason given was that the idea to change the page to redirect came up during an AfD discussion on Tender Claws, a video game she worked on (deletion discussion here: [2]). I am confused on two accounts. 1. The AfD about Tender Claws is still open, so why was the related page of Samantha Gorman changed to a redirect? 2. Is it legit to just change the Samantha Gorman page to a redirect without a discussion at Articles for Deletion? DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @DaffodilOcean Yes, it is completely legitimate for another editor to convert an article into a redirect as an alternative to deletion. If you disagree with the redirect then you are free to revert it, if the editor who performed the redirect disagrees with your reversal they should open a discussion (WP:BRD). There is no requirement at all to have any kind of consensus before performing a bold redirect. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 15:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Legitimate account
If a user creates another Wikipedia account through the clean start technique and it is recognized as a legitimate account. How do he re-request extended confirmed permission if he can't say he already had an account with extended confirmed permission. Because users who use the clean start technique should not let others know that that user is the previous user they met. Because the only required contestants for such permissions are users with alternative accounts. —Princess Faye (my talk) 14:07, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Princess Faye They can't. The whole point of a clean start is to start again from scratch, that means that they would have to re-earn any rights they had on the previous account naturally. If they just want to abandon one account in favour of another then they can just leave a note at an appropriate forum requesting transfer the of their user rights, along with some evidence that the same person is in control of both accounts, but that isn't a clean start - it's just a change of useername. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 14:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Please review my article
review the article nilpawan Baruah And I wanna know one thing that if an article is created and it's not reviewed by any experienced editor . Will it be not visible to internet users if they search the keywords of the article's name? Baruahranuj 14:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to Nilpawan Baruah, submitted to AfC for review, you have created other articles submitted to AfC and at least three articles for which you created directly as articles without going through AfC. Such articles are in a sort of limbo - not seen by internet searches such as Google - until either OK'd by someone from New Pages Patrol WP:NPP or 90 days pass without a NPP review. NPP may approve, move it to draft status, or delete. David notMD (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Infernal Homepage
Can that infernal homepage that's been forced upon us be turned off? I can't stand it. WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow Welcome to the Teahouse! If you don't like the Main Page of Wikipedia, just don't visit it. You may want to start at Special:Watchlist or Special:Search instead. If you have constructive feedback on how to make the Main Page better, you can post it at Talk:Main Page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal and turn off the option for the "Newcomer homepage". It should be somewhere near the bottom. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @User:GoingBatty I wasn't talking about the mainpage, I wrote "homepage", there's a vast difference. WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow: Home page says: "A home page (or homepage) is the main web page of a website". That's also the usual meaning in Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Homepage redirects to Main Page. "Newcomer homepage" is a recent feature for new users. Most established users haven't seen it or heard of it. The posting intructions for this page say "Provide a link to the page you're asking about." PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @User:192.76.8.85 Thanks! WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @User:GoingBatty I wasn't talking about the mainpage, I wrote "homepage", there's a vast difference. WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
How to improve draft?
Draft:Nilpawan Baruah Which part or link to be omitted and which type of links should be added to show notability in this article? Actually the person is notable . As I'm a newcomer in enwiki , so I'm facing difficulty in providing the notability or to add suitable references
One more questions, can I add references of regional language suppose, a reference of Assamese language? Baruahranuj 14:59, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- The question is not whether you believe that he is notable, but whether you provide the references required to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. For that, you need several sources each of which meets all three of the following conditions:
- It is a reliable source.
- It is independent of him: not written or published by him or his associates or institutions, and not based on an interview or press release
- It contains significant coverage of him.
- Looking at the first three citations in your draft, the first is from Times of India: there is no consensus as to whether this is regarded as a reliable source; but in any case, it is mostly based on an interview, and so it not independent. The second is published by the Government of India so it may be reliable (though, according to the URL it is a blog, and they are not normally regarded as reliable). In any case, it does not contain significant coverage of Baruah. It might be a useful source for the information in it, but it does not contribute to notability.
- The third merely mentions his name, so does not contribute to notability.
- It is possible that the later references do establish notability - I haven't looked past the first three. But Theroadislong evidently did not think so.
- In answer to your last question: yes, sources in Assamese are perfectly acceptable, if there are not adequate sources available in English. As a practical matter, it may take longer for a draft that uses non-English sources to get reviewed, because reviewers are volunteers, and choose which drafts they review. But non-English sources are acceptable, as long as they meet the criteria above. ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
How to find archived discussions about deletion nominations
Hi, I am investigating whether Alex Donahue should be nominated for deletion. The article's draft was previously declined for publication as shown in this Curator84 talk page in a message from 2021. I also saw in another user talk page that the article had been proposed for deletion (and deleted) back in 2008, although I can't find again where that message was. My question is, how can I find the archived discussions of the 2008 deletion, and the 2021 draft review? Thank you. Al83tito (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Al83tito, View History then view logs at the top of page will lead to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Alex+Donahue
- No discussion back in '08, looks to have been repeatedly spam created. Slywriter (talk) 15:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
question about a draft that has been rejected
Excuse me I'm new to Wikipedia and I tried to create a page about the county commissioners in Oklahoma and article that was rejected, the person who rejected it said that for it to not be rejected I would need to add more secondary sources and would have to create a "parent article" and I just want to make sure I understand what that exactly is before I actually do it. What they are saying is that I have to make a different article about the commissioners and describe what they do and how long they serve for in Oklahoma that sort of thing right? In regard to secondary sources that just mean finding a bunch of newspapers or news sites that say these things happened right?
I apologize if this is a dumb question and I appreciate you answering it.
Please and Thank you
Free city of stratford ok (talk) 15:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not really an experienced editor myself, but I'll answer your questions with my knowledge. So first, you have to make an article describing the post of the County Commissioner Of Oklahoma itself, and then make this article. You also have to list sources which are secondary, and your understanding here is correct, but make sure these sources are reliable. Your draft also has to pass the required notability criterion. Best of luck, Vial of Power (talk) 15:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not a dumb question - the Teahouse is here to answer questions from newcomers to the vast and complicated edifice that is Wikipedia.
- The reviewer SmokeyJoe pointed out that you have created a list of not obviously notable people, and we don't like those: lists in Wikipedia are usually lists of things or people that are already the subjects of articles. But SmokeyJoe's further point is that an article about the office of County Commissioner would be much more valuable for Wikipedia than a mere list of incumbents. Why should the reader care who held these offices when, if they can't easily find why there is such an office and what the commissioners are responble for?
- To do so, you would indeed need to find sources which were not from the state or county governments - ideally, for this purpose, I suspect that textbooks about local government in Oklahoma would be the best sources, but maybe some newspaper articles would be helpful too. ColinFine (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just caught this, responsible*.- Vial of Power (talk) 16:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- The draft submission was declined, not rejected. It can still be worked on further. The replies by editors here should be helpful in pointing you the direction in having the draft improved. Cheers. – robertsky (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
citing an IMDb link
So sorry. I am rusty but there needs to be some work, corrections and updates. I am just very rusty at citing. (I thought this was easier awhile ago) So on the Bannister Merwin wikipedia page, I want to cite IMDb --https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0581683/?ref_=tt_ov_dr --after the number of films cited. And I keep getting an error. Apologies Chamuss (talk) 17:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Chamuss: I am not able to infer what error you are getting, however, IMDB is not considered reliable , meaning it shouldn't be cited at all, and if there is no other source for a given piece of information, we can't include it. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's quite likely that you're getting an error because IMDb isn't allowed as a source. --VersaceSpace 🌃 21:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Chamuss: IMDB can be validly used in the external links section of articles. There is a specific template, so that in the case you want to cite it would be {{imdb name|0581683|Bannister Merwin}} which renders as Bannister Merwin at IMDb. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
The Media Viewer shifts texts in my graphic so that they overlap.
Hello I have created a graphic for the article on CMAMMA. Unfortunately, the texts in the media viewer overlap in some places. If you exit it by clicking again, it displays perfectly. I already tried it as regular svg file and as responsive svg file without success. Is it because of the dimensions? Does anyone have any advice? Thanks. Abvdj (talk) 19:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- It looks fine to me. OK, so the Media Viewer is broken, I wouldn't worry about that. We're here to build an encyclopedia, not to provide slide shows. Maproom (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Just Fed To the Wiki Wolves As An Afternoon SNACK!
I am seriously appalled at the way I have been attacked by 3 long time Wiki members since my attempt at draft submission this morning.
This has been QUITE the learning experience and I am SO unhappy! Not ONE person reached out to try and HELP me. All anyone wanted to do was focus on getting my submitted draft deleted that I worked so hard on & was feeling reasonably proud of. What makes it WORSE, is that not ONLY was the content of my post labeled inadequate, I was my motives and character were put on the chopping block as well. THESE PEOPLE DONT KNOW ME!;{ I read some of the Wiki guidelines which states: "Do not be hostile towards fellow editors, NEWCOMERS IN PARTICULAR. Remember to assume good faith and respond to problematic edits in a clear and polite manner." That is FAR from what I have experienced this morning. Shame on them ALL - really. If this is what Wiki editing and contributing is about then I want no part of it. Its not worth the bad feelings I now have toward how I was treated today and the extremely complicated Wiki submission process.
Regarding the suggestion of a a possible COI - I read that part too. It says that editors should attempt to follow the accepted standard although commons sense and an OCCASIONAL EXCEPTION may apply. NO BODY waited for me to reply a position and instead, jumped on the "DELETE THE POST! OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!" bandwagon. My number one question is..... If you are not paid, or affiliated with an organization why would anyone EVERY waste their time to submit anything? So far it's been a lot of WORK for something a bunch of mean faceless people can delete without your consent. But I guess this is the age we live in now. CENSOR everyone and everything until its just how WE want it. PrivacyPenchant (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedians take a particularly dim view of WP:PROMO material by a WP:COI or WP:PAID account. As volunteers, we are not here to help any business use Wikipedia as an advertising platform. Best thing would be to come clean on your userpage about your association and work on your article in draft if you believe it can meet Wikipedia standards for a business being notable. If it can't meet those standards then no amount of editing will make the article notable. There are also 6 million plus articles that can use improvement. Slywriter (talk) 21:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- PrivacyPenchant There are two places to ask for help - here (Teahouse), and Help. You gotta ask. As to what happened, it appears that as User:AllClearDVC you created an article, then changed it to Draft:All Clear Dryer Vent Cleaning of Kansas City and it was Speedy deleted. Not being an Administrator, I cannot see the now-dead draft, but I am guessing it was deemed promotional with no redeeming factors, and is gone. There was also the question of you being paid or otherwise compensated or personally connected to ACDBC-KC. Being paid does not prevent you from creating a draft as long as the connection is stated on your User page. Try again. However, per Slywriter's comment, if the company does not meet WP:NCORP, no amount of writing will suffice. This is an encyclopedia, not social media. David notMD (talk) 21:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
If you are not paid, or affiliated with an organization why would anyone EVERY (sic) waste their time to submit anything?
— Because this is an encyclopedia built on volunteer time, many people do enjoy writing. And many editors don't appreciate solely-promotional users who don't know Wikipedia's COI rules wasting their time. On your user-page, you have the appearance of a user who hopes to be helpful, but conversely, your last username was the name of a business. Can you tell us what's going on here? --VersaceSpace 🌃 21:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)- (edit conflict) @PrivacyPenchant I'm really sorry you had a bad experience with your first few edits here. It may have seemed harsh to you that your article about a Kansas-based dry-cleaning company was speedily deleted, but this is an encyclopaedia of notable things, not a place for companies, staff or fans of products to promote their favourite product. The criteria for accepting an article about a business are very steep. These are laid out at HERE, and we do tend to assume someone being either brave or reckless enough to put such an article into mainspace has already spent the time to understand how things work here. It's a shame you were not able to do that before diving in at the deep end. Because Wikipedia is now both incredibly well-known and popular, as well as being entirely volunteer run, we do take a dim view of content which we deem as WP:PROMOTION, and it's unfortunate that sometimes we give those editors such as yourself 'short shrift'. But I se no rudeness or unpleasantness directed towards you on your talk page. Or did I miss something?
- As an administrator here, I am able to view your deleted page, and it's pretty clear to me that in that form it failed our notability criteria and merited removal. I can't see where anyone dealt especially unfairly or rudely with you - there's lots of explanatory information left on your user talk page. Assuming good faith works in both directions. When we see content like yours, we assume you are using us to promote your business, and we may ask you to declare it, as it's incredibly unusual for someone to choose as their username the acronym of an obscure dry cleaning company before changing it to your current one and then immediately writing an article about it.
- When we suspect undeclared paid editing (see WP:UPE) it's not unusual to find interactions from other volunteers somewhat more abrupt and forceful than if you've just arrived, had started to learn by making simple edits to lots of other article first, or had simply wanted to create an article about, say, a newly discovered insect and had simply made a hash of it. Had we seen someone struggling with the latter, I and many others would undoubtedly have reached out to assist you. But few of us want to help promote a small business and it's unfortunate that you took our interactions with you so personally. I'm sorry, about that. The deletion of your article was not censorship - it simply followed our clearly laid out policies in order to keep non-notable content well away from this encyclopaedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, PrivacyPenchant. Your indignation is based on a deep misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. This is a neutrally written encyclopedia with articles about notable topics. It is not a place for people to engage in any sort of self-promotinnal writing. We have standards and we stick to them. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and it should be clear to you that this dryer vent cleaning company does not qualify. Also, the Paid contributions disclosure is mandatory and non-negotiable. You ask
If you are not paid, or affiliated with an organization why would anyone EVERY waste their time to submit anything?
Take a look at my user page, where I list over one hundred articles that I have written, and many hundred that I have expanded. Not one of the articles I've written has ever been deleted. Many of those articles are about notable businesses and organizations. I do it because I enjoy contributing to the world's greatest encyclopedia which is free to everyone. People frequently thank me for the work I do here, because I comply with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 21:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)- I appreciate your reply. This was my first Wiki attempt and no, I did not understand all of the rules - esp given that there are so many! Pretty daunting I must say.... The original AllClearDVC name was used because that is what I planned on writing about- then I thought that I may decide to write something else so best to pick something generic. I am neither the owner, or being paid for the time I spent creating the draft. Admittedly, I struggled with understanding the submission process and requirements from the get-go. I am not stupid - but I dont grasp things well by reading paragraph after paragraph of instruction ad nauseum. I am definitely a rote learner. I read snippets here and there but didnt see many of the rules that I was accused of violating PRE VIOLATION! Must have MISSED that in the welcome video :/ Being as small business owner myself (of another company) I am ALWAYS pressed for time. This process was so challenging, without help from someone standing next to me, and then to be so ill received, was extremely disappointing. I was accused by one of "knowing more" than I was letting on and I ASSURE YOU this is NOT the case. Putting the article in mainspace was an accident (not brave or wreckless). I was just trying to figure out how to change the title since it was under my sandbox name. I figured out how to change it to a draft when I read the "immediate deletion tag" and I realized it was not a draft and I was trying to correct it. Over the past few hours I have read more on standards and I do see that the company would need to be cited (independently) more than just a few times (for notability reasons). Since you say you were able to view the delete submission I hope you see that I did not post a shamelessly plug for the company in my post. I tried to be very factual and neutral. And yes, I agree - self promotion is what social media is for. Thank you for taking time to address my post.PrivacyPenchant (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- You wrote:
being paid for the time I spent creating the draft.
- that is quite specific, but Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines cover cases more broad than that. Can you please clarify if you have any association, professional or otherwise, with the company you were writing about, its owners or its employees? MrOllie (talk) 14:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- You wrote:
- I appreciate your reply. This was my first Wiki attempt and no, I did not understand all of the rules - esp given that there are so many! Pretty daunting I must say.... The original AllClearDVC name was used because that is what I planned on writing about- then I thought that I may decide to write something else so best to pick something generic. I am neither the owner, or being paid for the time I spent creating the draft. Admittedly, I struggled with understanding the submission process and requirements from the get-go. I am not stupid - but I dont grasp things well by reading paragraph after paragraph of instruction ad nauseum. I am definitely a rote learner. I read snippets here and there but didnt see many of the rules that I was accused of violating PRE VIOLATION! Must have MISSED that in the welcome video :/ Being as small business owner myself (of another company) I am ALWAYS pressed for time. This process was so challenging, without help from someone standing next to me, and then to be so ill received, was extremely disappointing. I was accused by one of "knowing more" than I was letting on and I ASSURE YOU this is NOT the case. Putting the article in mainspace was an accident (not brave or wreckless). I was just trying to figure out how to change the title since it was under my sandbox name. I figured out how to change it to a draft when I read the "immediate deletion tag" and I realized it was not a draft and I was trying to correct it. Over the past few hours I have read more on standards and I do see that the company would need to be cited (independently) more than just a few times (for notability reasons). Since you say you were able to view the delete submission I hope you see that I did not post a shamelessly plug for the company in my post. I tried to be very factual and neutral. And yes, I agree - self promotion is what social media is for. Thank you for taking time to address my post.PrivacyPenchant (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, PrivacyPenchant. Your indignation is based on a deep misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. This is a neutrally written encyclopedia with articles about notable topics. It is not a place for people to engage in any sort of self-promotinnal writing. We have standards and we stick to them. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and it should be clear to you that this dryer vent cleaning company does not qualify. Also, the Paid contributions disclosure is mandatory and non-negotiable. You ask
FYI - New editors who choose to create an article about an obscure company are always suspected to be on payroll or personal friend. General advice is gain experienec improving existing articles before essaying creation. And you are always welcome to ask for advice here. David notMD (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- PrivacyPenchant I'm sorry that you had such an upsetting experience when you submitted your first article. Researching and writing is hard work, and it hurts when your efforts are not wanted. Before I became aware of Wikipedia I'd done a little freelance writing for publishers (back when writers mailed printed documents), and had most of my manuscripts returned to me, for they were rejected by the publisher. When I began volunteering for Wikipedia I understood that all publishers have specific guidelines, and I spent three years improving published Wikipedia articles (correcting poorly written sentences, adding needed references, expanding articles with sourced information from reliable published articles and reference books) before I felt I knew enough about Wikipedia to submit my first article draft. I read Your first article multiple times to make sure I could write an acceptable article that was worthy (notable enough) to be part of an encyclopedia.
- You wondered why anyone would write an article unless they were affiliated with the subject, or were being paid for their efforts. I do it in order to help those with similar interests to my own. In my U.S. state public libraries have had their government funding reduced, and college libraries no longer allow non-students to use their facilities because of safety concerns, so online research is how most people find information. I do the research and write well-referenced encyclopedia articles so that notable subjects that interest me will had a reliable article so others can easily learn about what they want to know. I consider it an honor and a privilege to be a Wikipedia volunteer editor. In a world filled with "fake news" I try to help by providing reliable un-biased information that may otherwise be unavailable.
- I hope that you will find it worthwhile to continue being a part of the Wikipedia community. Best wishes on any further research projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Friderike Maria Zweig
If you click on the link in footnote 7, you'll see that the "J :" needs to be removed, because there is no "J" nor colon in the actual article headline; rather, they are in the column at the left with the misspelled first name. I am unable to remove them because, when I go to Edit source, they are hidden in < ref name=":3"/ >, and I don't know how those ref names are created. I hope that it's ok to post this in the Teahouse. I do so because, when I post something on an article's talk page, I rarely get a response, but responses on Teahouse are always prompt. Maurice Magnus (talk) 21:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
If, in addition to fixing footnote 7, anyone wants to take a look at footnotes 1 and 2, please do. You'll see for yourself what the problems are. Compare them with footnote 5.Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus I've fixed it for you! To do that, I simply clicked the 'Edit source' tab (rather than the 'Edit' tab and looked at the bare text used to create the article. I used Ctrl-F to find a keyword in the reference. I chose 'Dies'. That took me to where the code for the actual reference lies within the article itself (although the viewer sees the reference at the bottom of the page. I deleted the 'J' and saved it. Problem solved. You could also have fixed it yourself using the Visual Editor. To do that is just as easy. But don't try to edit the reference at the bottom of the page. Just find the number (in this case 7) and click that reference number in square brackets at the end of the cited statement in the article. A pop-up window appears and you can then edit the reference and fix any mistakes. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus I've also now merged the two faulty references into the one viable one. I did that entirely in Visual Editor by opening it with the Edit tab. I first checked the three references (initially allocated nos [1], [2] and [5]). But these are allocated dynamically, so if you move the references around, their order will actually change when displayed at the bottom of the page. This is important to note, and the reason why I started editing from the bottom of the page. Working upwards, whenever I encountered a [1] or a [2], I highlighted and deleted it. I then went to the Cite tab, clicked 'Re-Use' and selected the one functioning reference by Helen Epstein (here) to put in their place. I worked upwards, replacing all of them. By the time I'd done, I noted that the removal of the last faulty citations removed them completely from the lower footnotes section, leaving all citations pointing to just that one working reference. Lest someone else tried to work on it whilst I was editing, I first placed an
{{in use}}
template on the article, which I deleted right afterwards. Hope this helps, and that you'll feel confident doing it yourself next time. - Personally, I find that allocating a reusable 'ref name' to a citation is really helpful, rather than just having a number. Doing that in WP:VE is not possible, so, whilst editing or creating a new article, I simply switch modes to WP:Source Editor and insert my better reference there, ensuring I include a helpful but short RefName in the lower left hand box in the citation popup window. It's then easy to find and reuse the reference just by calling up that name. Guidance on that is given in WP:REFNAME, should you want to learn more. You can then switch back to WP:VE if you prefer the more visual approach to everything else. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes Thanks for all your work. Footnote 2 goes to a webpage that says it's "temporarily" unavailable. I'm skeptical, but we'll see. Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus No problem - we're here to help and assist editors to learn. (I've learned tons here myself!). Are you aware of a thing called the Wayback Machine/Internet Archive? It's a great way to find and rescue now-dead links, and a very good reason never to delete an old non-functioning citation, but to mark it, instead with a
{{dead link}}
template. However, in your case, reference 2 can be retrieved in a functioning form! - Go first to https://archive.org/web/, then type in the non-functioning url (http://www.casastefanzweig.org/agenda_en/s33.html) into the search box. If, as here, it has been archived, you get options as to which version to check. In this case there are two dates available, and this one seems to works fine: https://web.archive.org/web/20190510100833/http://www.casastefanzweig.org/agenda_en/s33.html
- So now, go back to open the page. Let's use WP:VE, as you seem to prefer it. In Visual editor, find the citation allocated [2] within the reference list. Click it and click 'Edit'. Scroll down the list of fields and type in the webarchive url into the field labelled 'Archive URL'. Save the edit and your reference should not only now work, but the old url will be marked as dead (so don't remove it please). Again, I hopes this helps and that you'll feel confident fixing things like this in future. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- And for the record, not only do we accept cites to archived websites, we generally prefer archived citations - they're much less likely to suffer from this exact issue. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus No problem - we're here to help and assist editors to learn. (I've learned tons here myself!). Are you aware of a thing called the Wayback Machine/Internet Archive? It's a great way to find and rescue now-dead links, and a very good reason never to delete an old non-functioning citation, but to mark it, instead with a
- Nick Moyes Thanks for all your work. Footnote 2 goes to a webpage that says it's "temporarily" unavailable. I'm skeptical, but we'll see. Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus I've also now merged the two faulty references into the one viable one. I did that entirely in Visual Editor by opening it with the Edit tab. I first checked the three references (initially allocated nos [1], [2] and [5]). But these are allocated dynamically, so if you move the references around, their order will actually change when displayed at the bottom of the page. This is important to note, and the reason why I started editing from the bottom of the page. Working upwards, whenever I encountered a [1] or a [2], I highlighted and deleted it. I then went to the Cite tab, clicked 'Re-Use' and selected the one functioning reference by Helen Epstein (here) to put in their place. I worked upwards, replacing all of them. By the time I'd done, I noted that the removal of the last faulty citations removed them completely from the lower footnotes section, leaving all citations pointing to just that one working reference. Lest someone else tried to work on it whilst I was editing, I first placed an
Nick Moyes Thanks again. Despite the clarity of your explanation, this is over my head. Would you please fix n.2?Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus No worries. I forget to say that you also need to add the date of the archive (which is displayed on the archived website, and in the url). I fixed for you with this diff. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Info about Boris Karloff. My mother was a student at UCLA in the 1930s. In a yearbook she had, Karloff is credited with being UCLA's cricket coach.
UCLA yearbooks 2601:643:8005:3C0:C50:76BA:A65A:7544 (talk) 23:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you can specify the yearbook and (perhaps via a Worldcat reference) specify some libraries that possess it, you're welcome to point this out at Talk:Boris Karloff. But somebody's memory of something that was in some yearbook is not going to be sufficient. -- Hoary (talk) 23:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Incoming wikilinks to an article
Could someone tell me how to find out how many incoming wikilinks an article has? I presume there must be a better way than going to "what links here" and counting them. -- asilvering (talk) 00:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Most pages don't have huge numbers of links to them, so it's easy to get the displayed number (shown at top of page) But if you go to Earth and click 'What links here' you get thousands, so it's hard to count. But notice the 'External tools' links above the displayed list of names. Click 'Link count' and you get this answer of 23,747. Hope that is what you needed. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- oops, forgot to ping @Asilvering. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yep, perfect. Don't know how I managed to miss a link right on the page I was looking at. Thanks @Nick Moyes. -- asilvering (talk) 00:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Notability; bias???
So my article of the 6th century in Lebanon was considered not notable, despite the fact that there's plenty of other wikipedia articles with the same X century in X country formula. (AND without any sort of secondary reliable sources), I feel like this is simply motivated by a bias due to ignorance on the history of Lebanon, what should I do? دانيالوه (talk) 00:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- دانيالوه, one person says that "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline"; even that one person doesn't say that the topic doesn't meet this. I'm unfamiliar with "Xth century in [nation]" articles and offhand don't even know whether this should be about "Lebanon" or instead about "Phoenicia Libanensis" or whatever; neither do I know whether it's expected that the lead sentence should, as here, say almost nothing. My gut (never a reliable source) tells me to start "The 6th century in Lebanon was marked by" and then two or three of the most important events or trends. And a minor point: the dates are surprisingly precise: "11 April 491", etc, according to which calendar? -- Hoary (talk) 00:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Please note that all countries didn't really exist in their current form in the 6th century. So when I say 6th century in Lebanon I mean 6th century in the land what is now Lebanon (Or, the entities that were predecessors of the modern entity). As for the precise date, it follows the byzantine liturgical dating system, by the way, these dates had been already converted the dating of the Gregorian calendar by the authors. دانيالوه (talk) 00:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
By the way, the electricity in my house will cut pretty much right now,(Lebanon.) So I will have to respond tomorrow (If you give any additional reply). دانيالوه (talk) 00:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- دانيالوه, sorry not to have been clear. Yes, of course I realize that few of today's nations existed in the 6th century (though I don't mind at all if you guessed I didn't know this). Category:6th century by country leads us to, for example, the not-so-impressive article 6th century in England, defined by a nation that didn't yet exist; and it doesn't seem to lead to any article (as opposed to category) on "6th century in" what was then, but isn't now, a nation. So your title seems to comply with common practice in en:Wikipedia. To me, it's blazingly obvious that your article is about a notable matter. Sorry to hear about the power cuts; we'll be waiting for your return. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- While we are quibbling about that stuff, no nation existed in any meaningful sense in the 6th century either. Countries did exist (with a much lower degree of centralization than today, of course). Depending on who you ask, the concept of nation (= a bunch of people, most of which don’t know each other, feeling part of some unified community which is not based exclusively on religion) appeared somewhere between the 15th and 18th centuries. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 14:44, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Back, thanks for the concerns. But now I'm not too sure on what to do with the notability tag. I've never interacted with an admin here and I'm not too sure wether a busy admin can be convinced with the cause of some – relatively – new user. I assume I can't (well I can but I shouldn't) just remove the tag thingy. If you have any additional advice they would be appreciated, Thanks. دانيالوه (talk) 03:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't really see any difference between this and the "nth century in literature" articles. However, those are normally classified as list articles - so I'm going to rewrite the lead sentence slightly to match that and mark it as a list. I'll remove the tag for you. -- asilvering (talk) 03:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, done. Anyway, you're right that it's generally not a great idea to remove a tag someone put on an article you've worked on if you're not sure that it was put on by mistake. Typically, though, maintenance tags are used to draw attention to things that need fixing about an article, so for example if someone tags something you just wrote with, say "lead too short" or "one source", that's an invitation for you to expand the lead or add some more sources (and then go ahead and remove the tag). If you're not sure if you've solved something you can always ask for someone else to have a look at it and see what they think.
- By the way - it wasn't an admin who tagged the page, but someone working on New Pages Patrol. You'll see them come by when you start new articles. Mostly, they check to see if articles belong in wikipedia mainspace or if they need to be moved to draft or deleted. They're often pretty heavy-handed on maintenance tags (sorry). -- asilvering (talk) 03:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you very much. دانيالوه (talk) 03:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey! Didn't notice your two additional replies till' now. Thanks for the useful informations. دانيالوه (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Today’s Photo of the day
Duke Humfry's Library was used before, fairly recently. Wis2fan (talk) 03:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Wis2fan, welcome to the Teahouse. If you have questions or concerns about the picture of the day, you can bring them up here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Need some clarity..
Hello! I'm new here
My article again moved to draft space. In the article talk page i added Class=Start [3] Part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Assessment According to WikiProject_Film/Assessment Quality_scale [4] it should be in main space right. why the article move to draft space Redirect also criteria for speedy deletion CSD R2 Process. This is happening because I add Class=Start instead of Class=stub. Neu84321(talk) 18:07, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Neu84321: Your article was moved to draftspace by a New Page Reviewer because of notability concerns, and you were notified of this on your talk page. You can submit the draft for review once you address the notability concerns. It has nothing to do with the article class assessment. ––FormalDude talk 06:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FormalDude Can you explain about Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Assessment its purpose and use? Neu84321(talk) 06:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Neu84321: That is an optional feature used to help the Film WikiProject with data about the status of their articles. It allows them to easily see articles that need maintenance or improvement. Articles are not required to have class assessments. For context, WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors. ––FormalDude talk 06:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FormalDude how can we get assistance from other Wikipedia editors to help with this article? i add the template tag This section needs expansion. You can help by adding to it. Neu84321(talk) 06:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Neu84321: A good place to start would be at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. You can link to your draft and ask for input there. ––FormalDude talk 06:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FormalDude ok can you give your opinion. Alone Together (film) PUBLISH STAGE what is wrong with this article can give specific points for improvement. Neu84321(talk) 06:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Neu84321: The premise and production sections are not written and the cast list has no references. ––FormalDude talk 06:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Neu84321, the film hasn't neen released yet. Wait until it's been released and reviewed, then you'll be in a much stronger position to create an acceptable article about it. Wikipedia has no deadlines. Maproom (talk) 14:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FormalDude ok can you give your opinion. Alone Together (film) PUBLISH STAGE what is wrong with this article can give specific points for improvement. Neu84321(talk) 06:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Neu84321: A good place to start would be at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. You can link to your draft and ask for input there. ––FormalDude talk 06:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FormalDude how can we get assistance from other Wikipedia editors to help with this article? i add the template tag This section needs expansion. You can help by adding to it. Neu84321(talk) 06:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Neu84321: That is an optional feature used to help the Film WikiProject with data about the status of their articles. It allows them to easily see articles that need maintenance or improvement. Articles are not required to have class assessments. For context, WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors. ––FormalDude talk 06:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FormalDude Can you explain about Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Assessment its purpose and use? Neu84321(talk) 06:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Why my Article was declined
Hi! I was wondering why, my article was declined, and if so what can I do to make it published Jenzibringzi056 (talk) 05:51, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jenzibringzi056: Your draft was rejected because Wikipedia has no interest in an encyclopedic article about a fan film you created. You should not attempt to republish it anywhere on Wikipedia. ––FormalDude talk 05:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Jenzibringzi056. Your draft is about a future fan film that is glaringly non-notable. What you can do to get it published is to wait until it is covered in depth by the Los Angeles Times or Variety or the Hollywood Reporter or similar reliable entertainment industry sources. Until then, do not try to submit it. Unreferenced drafts have zero chance of being accepted. Cullen328 (talk) 06:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Tiffany M. Cartwright: Draft
I am trying to get the draft Wikipedia page for “Tiffany M. Cartwright” resubmitted to a regular page. I just added four references. Three of the references were articles from The Associated Press (A national news outlet). They each verify Tiffany M. Cartwright was the legal counsel for three major civil rights cases. I added a fourth reference from the senate judiciary committee which further documented additional cases.
All of this is in addition to Tiffany M. Cartwright being a current nominee from the president of the USA for a lifetime appointment for a federal judgeship. She has already had her hearing in the senate judiciary committee and they have already cited her out of committee to the senate floor where she is currently in queue for a final senate floor vote.
Can you assist me with what else is needed to make her a notable figure so we can get her moved from draft? MIAJudges (talk) 06:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- For Draft:Tiffany M. Cartwright, is this just WP:TOOSOON, as she has not yet been appointed to federal judgeship? David notMD (talk) 07:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
That’s why I am confused. There are dozens of other articles on Wikipedia of people that were voted on by the senate who were not confirmed. There pages still exists despite their failed vote by the senate so I do not understand why this one persons article was moved to DRAFT. She has successfully been voted on by the Senate judiciary committee.
Even besides that, this person is notable stand alone even without being a nominee for a federal judgeship. I listed three major civil rights cases in which she was the legal counsel for the winning team. These were featured in The Associated Press indicating they were a national story. We have Wikipedia pages of other figures for lawyers that have won major cases. So I guess my question is what do I need to do in order to justify making her page worthy of a Wikipedia page just based on that alone? I added three links of three separate pages that detail those cases. Would additional articles showing her being the lead attorney be suffice? How about awards she has received for her civil rights work? I can include those links as well. MIAJudges (talk) 12:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- MIAJudges References to articles about cases she won (or lost) are useful information, in the same way that listing films is useful for an article about an actor, or books published for an author, but can you find more reliable source references to published content about her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 13:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
english
i will create the name and last name birthday Kay celis (talk) 08:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Kay celis, do you have a question about using Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 09:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? (By the way, I suggest you read advice for younger editors). ColinFine (talk) 09:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
i will create name and last name birthday help that
plese help to create wikipedia my name and last name birthday place Kay celis (talk) 10:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to The Teahouse, please see WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK we only have articles on people who are notable. Theroadislong (talk) 10:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Christian villafuerte Wikipedia is not a place for people to create content about themselves, i.e., not social media. Articles about people exist only if they are so notable that other people write about them. That published material becomes references for the Wikipedia article. David notMD (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Adding categories
Hi there,
I think I'm finally ready to seek review of my first page, but the categories I thought I added at the bottom yesterday don't seem to be there. I did have a hard time finding some initially, and I'm worried I must have done something wrong it they didn't work. I can't figure out where the ones I added went. I followed the prompts, though it was a bit hard to find applicable categories, but I thought I'd added a few, as requested. (It does say Afi draft there.)
I sure could use some eyeballs on this page to tell me if it passes muster before I submit it formally because I'd love to have it sail through. I'm concerned that the infobox is a little word-heavy, but my subject has a variety of credits that seem to be worth mentioning. I also know one or two of my 95 references are not preferred (discogs and ImdB) but in both cases, they seemed to be worth including, and I do see them used regularly on other pages.
I also have not uploaded backup screenshots of web pages to the Internet archive yet, but I figure I can go back and add those if I've done everything else right.
Appreciate any feedback I can get!
~~~~ TexasEditor1 (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Mark Addison
- @TexasEditor1: Drafts aren't supposed to be categorized, so don't worry about that. ––FormalDude talk 11:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads-up! TexasEditor1 (talk) 02:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- For further information see Wikipedia:DRAFTNOCAT. Shantavira|feed me 11:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! The only reason I tried to add any was because I've been staring at a notice that pops up every time I work on my page, suggesting I can get my draft reviewed faster by adding tags and seemingly, categories.
- But your link definitely provided me with valuable info when I started clicking ... thanks very much! TexasEditor1 (talk) 02:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TexasEditor1: I see no attempt to add categories and Special:Contributions/TexasEditor1 has no edits on 10 July, at least not in Wikipedia's UTC time. In Texas time you added an infobox in [5] but such an edit does not add categories. See Help:VisualEditor#Editing categories for how to add categories in VisualEditor, but drafts aren't supposed to be categorized as said above. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- That is weird. Maybe I didn't save them, but I was trying to follow the recommendation to get my page reviewed faster by adding tags. Maybe I should have used that word instead of categories. But I tried to add both, using the visual editor. When I tried to add tags, it took me to the WikiProject Tags page, and showed the page qualifies for a number of WikiProject areas. And I'm now remembering I got confused trying to figure out how to indicate all of them.
- Bear with me for a sec while a veer over to a possibly related issue: I've also been making edits here and there whenever I find a page that I think I can help, and I'm not seeing evidence in some cases, which is a troubling because I'm trying to be an active contributor—and to reach a level that will allow me to access the library. But some are minor punctuation changes and I can understand if they don't really count as edits. But ... a few days ago, when I made some edits, I got a congratulations box telling me I was entitled to post a user box, and when I clicked to figure out what that meant, I fell into another rabbit hole about designing boxes, then landed in a place that seemed to want me to start a user page—which I already have. So I do feel a little bit like I'm living Alice's life (but she's always held a special place in my heart).
- So I'm about to click to attach tags, but have no idea if that means I need to join all of the project groups that popped up ... or what.
- In any case, I'm just trying to get this page posted and follow all directions to do it correctly. Would it be appropriate to ask you to take a look and see if it all looks kosher? I know I have a few undesirable references, but I've just learned it's apparently acceptable to use ImdB as an external reference, according to this reply I saw to a different inquiry: "@Chamuss: IMDB can be validly used in the external links section of articles. There is a specific template, so that in the case you want to cite it would be {{imdb name|0581683|Bannister Merwin}} which renders as Bannister Merwin at IMDb. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:23, 11 July 2022" TexasEditor1 (talk) 02:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, and thanks for the input! TexasEditor1 (talk) 02:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TexasEditor1: WikiProject tags belong on talk pages and you added many (too many, it's just a biography which mentions some of the subject's work) to Draft talk:Mark Addison on 8 July. They place the talk page in categories. A talk page edit cannot place a category on the associated non-talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Primehunter,
- I tried to reply to your last message, but it seems to have been deleted. But I'm sensing you're telling me to delete those tags. Will that affect how fast my page gets a review? TexasEditor1 (talk) 02:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TexasEditor1: WikiProject tags will probably not affect reviewers but they are volunteers who choose where to work so it's hard to tell. I have removed some unsuitable WikiProject tags.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 03:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Actioning Draft Feedback
Hello!
I have been writing a draft for Smarter Technologies and it has been declined 5 times.
The first drafts were declined for being too advertorial. When this type of content was removed, the feedback given was then that there was not enough content.
When attempting to expand on the article, it was once again declined for being advertorial.
I feel I'm stuck in a loop, where adding content is deemed advertorial, but when removing content, the remaining is not enough.
Perhaps the confusion may be stemming from the fact the business name is called Smarter Technologies, with some product names including the word "smarter" as part of the actual product name?
Please let me know any tips, advice and guidance you may have to get this page approved. Gsfintescu (talk) 11:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Your draft Draft:Smarter Technologies has zero independent reliable sources so has zero chance of being accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 12:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Gsfintescu, the loop is a strong indicator of a subject not being notable by wikipedia standards for corporations. No amount of editing can make a subject notable; significant, independent coverage in reliable sources either exists or it doesn't. Slywriter (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- You have not replied to two requests about whether you are paid or otherwise compensated or have a personal connection to Smarter Technologies, even though this is the only article you have attempted to create. WP:PAID or WP:COI apply. In the draft, the descriptions are vague, the references useless (the company and it's divisions own websites, confirmation of getting a trademark). I strongly recommend that you put Db-author at the top inside of double curly brackets {{ }}. This will request an Administrator to delete the draft. If in time people not connected to the company publish articles about the company, someone not connected may decide to craft a Wikipedia article. David notMD (talk) 13:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD:, well that was harsh — but thanks for bringing this up because I could've done way worse!! Have you seen my reply — I made it easy for him/her so he/she would not take offense to what is/are required here at WP. Harsh per WP:BITE and not forgetting the IAR rule. As much as this is an encyclopaedia and a project, I started out just like that and as time went by soon grew into the WP mindset. Maybe I could revamp that draft and try again so as not for it to get deleted?! If not, I just speedily delete this on his/her behalf!! I know how CSD works now!! Intrisit (talk) 14:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Gsfintescu: Hi, welcome to Wikipedia, known for short as or abbreviated WP. Some grammar and vocabulary of yours were off-key so I coorected them for you (No need to thank me!!). I've taken a read-through of your draft and it looks like you need simple clarification of the science and mechanics of WP, so here are 3 of them:
- First and foremost, have you read the first 2 lines of the first decline statement? Wikipedia was first founded with the first and most important rule: the NPOV rule, initialised from neutral point of view. Your first 3 lines in your draft has no lead section, which is very important here on WP, along with the obvious fact that it exhales promotional air. In short, your topic about a company/brand needs to be re-written in tone that says, "I'm not interested, I'll just put it here on WP in a way that will excite me less!" In other words, describe what it is like — or simply Specify what the company is — Wikipedia smiles on these!!
- Second, based on the guidelines here at WP for companies, how you cite the sources to make them notable, keep going — just from sources that don't connect to it so as to satisfy another WP guideline about conflict of interest — as in writing something you're connected/affiliated to. Wikipedia hates it, and may have consequences for your account if repeated severally. For example, since your topic is from a location in the UK, why not look up for this topic in independent sources like The Guardian, BBC News, The Independent, Metro, Sky News and those lines of news sources. Once the source number in the "References" section gets over 11, it'll get accepted/approved and it'll be a proper article.
- Third and last but not the least, summarising the two above points, your draft is notable, but needs to be neutral without promotional tone, especially the lead section like this (Copy-and-paste this if you wish):
- Smarter Technologies Group (STG) is a British technology company based in Southampton, England that provides products intended to digital transition public and private sector organisations with modern and Internet of Things (IoT) technologies. It was founded from the integration of New Forest Communications (NFC) (founded in 2001) and Visionist Ltd (founded in 2009) in 2020.
- Show more proof by continiuing to add sources explained in the "Secondly" paragraph and return here if you wish if they don't work out. Thanks for joining WP though!! Happy editing!! Intrisit (talk) 14:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
User Contributions page mystery
I made a screenshot of 4 examples from my recent contributions that I'd like to understand. What do these pieces of information mean:
o diff | hist?
o the red and green figures with preceding - and + symbols?
o the fact that some digits are boldfaced and others aren't?
o and also the letter m on the line with the -8?
Augnablik (talk) 12:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik:
- The link "diff" is a diff link, which will list the changes made during the edit listed at Special:Contributions
- similarly, the "hist" link will lead to the page history of the article that was edited.
- the red or green number is the amount of bytes (which are roughly, but not exactly, characters) which were added or removed by the edit. If the edit added some text, it will be green, if the edit removed bytes, it will be red, and if the number of bytes the page had was unchanged, it will be gray. This number will display in bold if more than 500 bytes were added or removed.
- m means that the user tagged the minor edit checkbox, which can be checked to indicate a very minor change that doesn't require review, like fixing spelling mistakes. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
reliable sources
![](https://web.archive.org/web/20220712075517im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png)
plz look forward to these Japanese websites.
what's their reliability? They look unpopular but i maybe wrong. I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere in wikipedia regarding its credibility. Though i found some academic books which cites https://www.zakzak.co.jp/ as its source of info. But i'm still very confused. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 14:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sources don't exist in a vacuum, reliability is also context dependent with very few exceptions. So what context are we talking here? PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Well its regarding Teresa Teng. https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Kkbox_1235/ https://www.zakzak.co.jp/entertainment/ent-news/news/20100408/enn1004081617006-n2.htm
Both claims that she has sold 100 million records. Arorapriyansh333 (talk)
- @Arorapriyansh333: Considering the highest selling album is Thriller at 70 million, I would say no, they're not reliable. ––FormalDude talk 17:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Have you read properly? I'm not referring to one album. It's about total sales of all her albums. Arorapriyansh333 (talk)
- @Arorapriyansh333: That answer seemed unnecessarily curt or rude, if you don't mind my saying. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Have you read properly? I'm not referring to one album. It's about total sales of all her albums. Arorapriyansh333 (talk)
- Hello, Arorapriyansh333. I'm not sure that I can read properly, but I'll have a bash at doing so all the same. Putting aside for a moment the matter of their reliability (or not), both the Excite page (actually the third in the sequence of three) and the Zakzak page say that sales are said to be well over 100 million. (Are said by whom? Neither tells us.) The Excite piece is attributed to a "KKBox writer" named 濱安紹子; the Zakzak piece is unsigned but says that Zakzak is part of, or related to, Yūkan Fuji (a supōtsu shinbun); So they both look dodgy to me; but anyway neither "claims that she has sold 100 million records". -- Hoary (talk) 22:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary: so you are saying that Yūkan Fuji is not a reliable newspaper? Can i know why? And sorry for that. I was only saying have you read those links properly? I wasn't rude.
- Arorapriyansh333, it's a supōtsu shinbun, which literally means "sports newspaper" but actually is a congeries of spectator sports news, celeb news, and (often) softcore porn. It's not reliable, but neither is it toxic. The main problem is that the Yūkan Fuji piece doesn't say that she's sold over 100 million records, merely that it is said -- by whom? where? We're not told -- that she has done so. -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them
I am writing an article. There are multiple issues with this article however, I am foraging ahead, plus, I am hoping to resolve all of them. I am older and HTML formatting is difficult for me, not impossible tho. When I go back and try to resolve the red error messages I do not resolve them at all. I fear I am actually making it worse by adding either more sources or adding the <ref></ref> and it saying it is empty Know I am misunderstanding how to ask for help even reading the help is a little confusing reading it in Latin, does not help me as it is not a true example so logically my brain misfires (could be my brain). I know everyone is busy and I am a first-time editor who jumped into the water without understanding everything so I have made many mistakes. How do I figure out this not having the information in the tagging? I do so thank you for help or an example for me. MusingSilence (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Myisha T Hill ––FormalDude talk 15:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed them for you, you added <ref></ref> before every ref you used and double closed refs. I also removed a bunch of nonsense sources and suggest you take a read of WP:RS. PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh my goodness! Thanks, I thought I was making it worse, which evidentially I was! I am so appreciative! I am way older and the only way I know any HTML is from MySpace so that tells you some age! MusingSilence (talk) 17:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Joining a Wikiproject
Hello, I would just like to know how to join a Wikiproject. Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) 15:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Dinoz1 and thanks for wanting to join some Projects. The full list is at the link WP:LWP, so take a look and click through to those that interest you. Most active ones have a page where you sign up simply by adding your username. Then you should add the Project's Talk Page to your watchlist so you can see what's being discussed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
please include the names of Zafar Mansoor(A renowned writer & Educationist of Kasur) and Khizar Hayat Khan (A known politician and former Member National Assembly from Kasur) in the Wikipedia as edited by me based on reliable sources of History of kasur
The notable people of Kasur Rehana Tabassan (talk) 16:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1145#Notable people of Kasur - related question from several months ago. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Rehana Tabassan, and welcome to the Teahouse. We do not normally add people to lists like that unless we already have a Wikipedia article about them (see WP:SOURCELIST). We do not appear to have articles about either of those people, so, no, they should not be added to that list at present. Please see Write the article first. ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Number of articles in a Portal
Hello, please where can I find the number of articles in a Portal (for instance, Portal:Religion) ? Thanks JMGuyon (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi JMGuyon, welcome to the Teahouse. We don't actually have a concept of whether an article is in a given portal, unless you have something very specific in mind like how many articles display a link to the portal, or how many articles are linked somewhere in the portal pages. There is often a WikiProject with the same subject as a portal. WikiProjects do have a precise article count: The number of articles where the talk page is tagged with the WikiProject. Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion has Category:WikiProject Religion articles with 24,422 pages but some of them are other page types than articles. This search says there are 13,395 article talk pages in the category. Many articles about specific religions are only tagged with a WikiProject for the specific religion. For example, this search says Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity has 50,955 articles. Within Christianity there are also many specialized WikiProjects which may not tag with WikiProject Christianity. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh thank you very much for this information, PrimeHunter !--JMGuyon (talk) 19:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
new article
can someone please help me insert a template ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tony_Rabalao TamarToronto (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- TamarToronto, inserting any template would be a waste of time at this stage. It would do nothing to help acceptance of this draft. What this draft desperately needs are signs of notability (as understood in Wikipedia), as evidenced by what's written in reliable sources (which of course must be independent of Rabalao). -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TamarToronto: Once you have established whether this person meets either WP:NBIO or WP:NMUSICIAN, then it would be worth continuing and adding a template. The code you should add in WP:Source Editor can be pasted in, but unwanted or irrelevant fields should then be removed to avoid cluttering up the page. See Template:Infobox musical artist or Template:Infobox person to choose the most suitable one. (As an aside, @Hoary:, can you suggest why it's not posible to click 'reply' on this thread, whereas it works on the ones above. I had to click 'edit' before it would let me add this response). Nick Moyes (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- thank you Nick. how do I insert this template Template:Infobox musical artist TamarToronto (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TamarToronto: You should have copied the text (wikimarkup) in the white section of that page. I've done it for you. Not to be rude, but , like Hoary siad, don't waste your time unless you can find published, independent and reliable sources that talk about this person. You've declared that you know him - but you can't use your personal knowledge to create an article. Everything must be verifiable against published sources. If they don't exist, nor can the article because the person won't be deemed notable. Even Suga from boyband, BTS, didn't get an article of his own until he'd had a hit solo single. Just making music or being in a band simply isn't enough. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Nick, I don't see "reply" on this or any other thread. For this thread, as for any other, I just see the thread title, and, to the right of it, "[ edit ]" or similar. (Is "reply" perhaps a (mis)feature that's specific to the "visual editor"? If I have ever used that, it was only once, and for less than five minutes.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary: Its part of WP:REPLYTOOL or the other discussion tools that are now enabled by default for new users. RudolfRed (talk) 03:22, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary: Check to see if Preferences → Editing → Discussion pages →
Enable quick replying is checked for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- RudolfRed, Tenryuu, thank you both, I suppose. Though actually it sounds like a solution to a problem that I don't have. (The problem, if it was one, was Nick's.) Still, it's of mild interest, as something has recently been mystifying me. A poses a question. B posts an answer, by writing below and prefixing this with a colon. C posts a different answer to A's question (ignoring B's answer), by writing below and prefixing this with -- how many colons? With no hesitation, I'd say one; but the (newish) custom hereabouts seems to be two. Is this perhaps a symptom of "quick replying"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- thank you Nick. how do I insert this template Template:Infobox musical artist TamarToronto (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
What do you want me to do improve this article?
I have added reliable sources for Draft:Raymond Pichard. What can I do so this article doesn't get rejected. Dwanyewest (talk) 00:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like right now it's just waiting for someone to delete the redirect in mainspace so that the article can be accepted. So just patience for now. -- asilvering (talk) 00:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- As a separate issue, are you editing logged in and also not logged in, showing up as IP 80.1.188.112? Please edit only when logged in. David notMD (talk) 02:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like right now it's just waiting for someone to delete the redirect in mainspace so that the article can be accepted. So just patience for now. -- asilvering (talk) 00:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Speedy Deletion
Hello,
I posted an article on Wikipedia today, and just received this message. Nore sure what it means. Can you help? "Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:Rounatenk requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Rounatenk (talk) 01:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Rounatenk! It means that (1) you posted your attempted 'article' on your User Talk page, which is only supposed to be used to say something about yourself as a Wikipedia editor and to preserve links and notes helpful for your Wikipedia editing activities; and (2) whatever you posted was unsuitable material for any potential Wikipedia article, or else the deleter would have likely changed it to a Draft.
- The various grounds for speedily deleting material are described here. As you can see, there are a lot of them. I see that another editor has now placed a welcome message with useful links and advice on your User Talk page. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.14 (talk) 02:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm a bit late and the page has been deleted so I can't see it. However, please remember that drafts for articles should be made in a subpage (not on your main user page) or in the draft namespace. Hope this helps. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 04:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Contact
How to contact wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proboko (talk • contribs)
- Proboko Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. By posting here, you have contacted Wikipedia- there is no central authority to contact. What is your question? Is it the one you had in a longer message here before removing it? 331dot (talk) 07:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Query
Does Casetoo meet notability guidelines/criteria ? 205.253.61.166 (talk) 07:24, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That depends on who Casetoo is and what they do. You can review the notability guidelines for biographies in general; there are more specific guidelines for musicians or other fields. 331dot (talk) 07:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)