NPP
Very much against my philosophy of not wanting to help this encyclopedia by working at the coal face since I was stripped of the tools I never abused, I am trying to help out by patrolling new pages. I find it very frustrating that I can't get the Curation tool to load. Has it been discontinued? Is there something I'm missing? Thanks for your help. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kudpung can you do a find for "Open page curation"? That's what appears when I close the toolbar down to get it back up. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. It seems one now needs a script in one's .js page. The link then appears in the side bar when one is working on the feed. Maybe I even inadvertently deleted the script in my fury back in March 2020! I'm glad the tool hasn't been deprecated, I basically designed it and stipulated what it should do and the WMF wrote the code for it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry to pester you again, but you do still probably know more about NPP than most people (this might also interest TonyBallioni and Scottywong), but maybe I can tax your memory on something. Now that I've reluctantly been doing some actual patrolling again, I've come across new articles from admins and other advance rights holders that are subpar and we're already aware that the 'autopatrolled' right is being abused. I'm sure that when I was discussing the improvements to the New Pages feed a couple of years ago with Marshall Miller, I included 'were created by autopatrolled users' on the list of filter prefs. At least that's what I thought these past years, so I was surprised to see that it's not there. Also, since ACPERM was rolled out, 'were created by newcomers (non-autoconfirmed users)' is now defunct because they can't anyway. There seems to be a new trend coming from 'crats and Arbcom members that every dot for an I and every cross on a T now requires a full-blown, widely publicised RfC. However, I'm sure these minor changes can be added without any fuss like they could in my time. So before I make a faux pas and open a ticket at Phab for these minor details, I would very much appreciate your feedback. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure that the filter prefs got slimmed down when that project happened in favor of some other improvements but it's been so long I forget the details. My concern remains that one day page curation is just going to break and we won't be able to get it fixed because it's orphaned tech. And this is hardly reassuring. With the new found energy at NPP it might be time to do a "modernize Page Curation" wishlist. This would be to make it possible to use on other wikis and otherwise bring the code up to modern standards. I continue to think having it deployed on wikis beyond English is key to the longterm viability of the tool. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm aware of the Community Tech talk. It's certainly not encouraging. There is indeed a 'new found energy at NPP' and MB is doing his best to coordinate some of it - I hope he will stick with it because I won't be around for ever to support NPP. While admitting that the code would need to be rewritten from the ground up to comply with later iterations of MedaWik, the devs emphatically stated that making Page Curation Wiki-agnostic was not in their plans ; see also MSchottlender-WMF's reply to you. They didn't use the expression, but it smacks of sunk cost.
- However, the filter system, including adding a feed for AfC, was a feature that Marshall Miller and I developed together not so very long ago. Many features were improved as recently as late 2019 including embedding ORES so I assume that the fixes I'm suggesting would be addressed if we can convince the Growth Team or Community Tech whoever is responsible for it nowadays -.NKohli (WMF) and IFried (WMF) were exceptionally helpful; Marshall has moved up but still apparently retains overall control and recommends Kirsten Stoller aka Eetzie as a go-to person who is now in charge of Growth.
- One thing is for sure, the need for NPP won't go away and while backlog drives might have a short term impact, in order to retain the interest of the reviewers and keep new page creators happy, the tools need to be the best possible, and sooner or later Page Curation will need its new code and lack of funds will no longer be a viable excuse. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:38, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello @Kudpung and @Barkeep49 -- thanks for the ping. I've definitely noticed that a couple of bugs with PageCuration have been coming up lately (Kudpung, you've been bringing some attention to them on Phabricator). Although the wishlist process has been the go-to method of improving and extending PageCuration, we also want to keep track of important bugs all along the way to see if we can get them solved through other channels. Sometimes the fix is easy and makes a big difference to the patrollers. I'll connect with Community Tech just to check in. Regarding the issue that started this thread, Kudpung I do think it's worth filing a task for if you think it's a degradation from past performance, and we can look into it. From my own memory working on Special:NewPagesFeed, I would have thought that all pages created by autopatrolled users might be wholesale excluded from the feed, because "autopatrolled" means that patrollers wouldn't need to be looking at them. I do see the logic, though, of preferring the feed to be exhaustive and then filtering out pages created by autopatrolled users.
- I'm not going to be working the rest of this week and next, but I'll look for your reply the week after! MMiller (WMF) (talk) 15:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- One thing is for sure, the need for NPP won't go away and while backlog drives might have a short term impact, in order to retain the interest of the reviewers and keep new page creators happy, the tools need to be the best possible, and sooner or later Page Curation will need its new code and lack of funds will no longer be a viable excuse. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:38, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much Marshall for replying here. In order to relieve user talk pages and the NPP talk page of discussions of a more technical nature, since yesterday on my suggestion, we now have a page where such issues can be broadly discussed by NPP coordinators.. There is also a page where we list technical bugs, and required new features for followup at Phab. FYI @KStoller-WMF, NKohli (WMF), and IFried (WMF):. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Growth team newsletter #21
13:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Routine cleanups
Hi Barkeep49, was doing what is normally 0-drama cleanup and ran across you again. Are you running in to some sort of issue that necessitates adding the patroller group to your account? All of the permissions in it should be included with sysop. Thanks for checking! — xaosflux Talk 01:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux I added it after this concern was raised with me. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – July 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).
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Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 7
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Welcome to the 7th issue of Movement Strategy and Governance News! The newsletter distributes relevant news and events about the implementation of Wikimedia's Movement Strategy recommendations, other relevant topics regarding Movement governance, as well as different projects and activities supported by the Movement Strategy and Governance (MSG) team of the Wikimedia Foundation.
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- Movement sustainability: Wikimedia Foundation's annual sustainability report has been published. (continue reading)
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- Equity in decisionmaking: reports from Hubs pilots conversations, recent progress from the Movement Charter Drafting Committee, and a new white paper for futures of participation in the Wikimedia movement. (continue reading)
- Stakeholders coordination: launch of a helpdesk for Affiliates and volunteer communities working on content partnership. (continue reading)
- Leadership development: updates on leadership projects by Wikimedia movement organizers in Brazil and Cape Verde. (continue reading)
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- Innovate in free knowledge: high-quality audiovisual resources for scientific experiments and a new toolkit to record oral transcripts. (continue reading)
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RamzyM (WMF) 01:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Request
Hi, Barkeep49 - I'm here to endorse Matthewrb who recently applied for NPP rights - would you be so kind as to expedite? We desperately need more reviewers, especially users with his credentials. Atsme 💬 📧 13:11, 18 July 2022 (UTC)