Reverted move
I have reverted your move of Fox Glacier, New Zealand, becuase it was contrary to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (New Zealand) and there was no discussion. If you believe this article should be an exception to the convention, please open a discussion on the talk page.-gadfium 01:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hi gadfium (talk · contribs) - apologies for moving it without discussion. I'm trying to see how it runs contrary to the naming conventions, particularly number 5? Unless it's relating to the use of 'township' instead of 'town'? Turnagra (talk) 02:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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Taiari / Chalky Inlet is an excellent piece of work by you. Thank you. Delightful to see such a well-developed article. With a longer lead, I'd upgrade it to B class. | ||
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- Thank you! I'll go back and try to expand on the lead in the next couple of weeks sometime! Turnagra (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
June 2021
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- @RandomCanadian: is there a reason why the entire edit was reverted and not just a subsequent edit to remove the lyrics? I'm also curious as to how the use of the lyrics in that instance to demonstrate its link to another hymn differs in use to the numerous other uses of lyrics in that article, especially since many of them are newer than the lyrics to Whakaaria Mai? I'd be keen to go back and add the section on Whakaaria Mai even without the lyrics if need be since the edit was much broader than that, but want to get a bit more context first to make sure I'm not missing something. Turnagra (talk) 02:11, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- If there are more recent lyrics, and these are also under copyright, they also need to be removed. As for the presence of translations, that's a given for most major hymns. Unless this version is particularly significant and stands out amongst the translations for some reason, a short mention, such as "The song has been translated into other languages, including [...]" would be the logical way to give an encyclopedic summary of the topic (as opposed to giving too much detail). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:14, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- I think my point with the lyrics was that they're from a different hymn than How Great Thou Art, so it's more of a combination, but happy to do that via text instead of a lyrical comparison. As far as the significance of it, Whakaaria Mai is definitely significant as a version of the song and is probably the most famous hymn in New Zealand - in my view, absolutely worthy of a couple paragraphs at least. Turnagra (talk) 02:19, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- If there are more recent lyrics, and these are also under copyright, they also need to be removed. As for the presence of translations, that's a given for most major hymns. Unless this version is particularly significant and stands out amongst the translations for some reason, a short mention, such as "The song has been translated into other languages, including [...]" would be the logical way to give an encyclopedic summary of the topic (as opposed to giving too much detail). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:14, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Article Review
Hi there, I notice that you were the last person prior to myself to make an edit to the Christchurch suburb of Wigram. I have put a lot of effort over the last several weeks making it as complete as I can and I would really appreciate your input into the article, any edits/reviews etc, or if you could advise me of anything which you think should be changed? I would love to get my edits reviewed by someone like yourself who is also familair with the area.
Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia!
StraightTalkNZ (talk) 13:05, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- @StraightTalkNZ: Hi, welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for your work on the article! I see that User:Schwede66 has already made a few changes and given you some feedback, so that's probably a good place to start. I think the key thing is trying to reword a lot of the content into text similar to other articles, instead of bulleted lists or incomplete sentences. I also think it's worth taking another check to see whether all of the categories are strictly necessary, or whether some of them could be combined. For instance, the article for Addington has a single "facilities" section - a similar section for Wigram could reasonably have paragraphs that cover the "National Institutions", "Parks, sport and recreation", "Elderly Housing and care" and potentially Education sections. This would make the article much easier to read. I also feel like the Governance section could be included within the infobox, and so I'm not sure if it's worth having a separate section on that.
- At any rate, hopefully that's enough to get started on - happy to provide more feedback or be a sounding board for thoughts etc if that would be helpful! Turnagra (talk) 05:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Turnagra thanks for the tips, I merged those three under Landmarks and features as per the Saint Heliers article as I think that several items genuinely fit into regional landmarks e.g. Nga Puna Wai and the Museum rather than just "Features". I also rewrote some of those sections to try to make it more text instead of just bulleted lists/incomplete sentences like you reccomended. Hopefully it makes reads a bit better and thanks for your advice!
StraightTalkNZ (talk) 12:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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NZ names and the meaning of life
Hi, just some rambling thoughts to help explain myself on more meta topics. One of my little pet problems is AfD's where because the default is Keep, editors who want that have no insensitive to engage past posting a vote. That does not mean I am accusing anyone of anything. It is more that when the system incentivizes disengagement it does not aid discussion. No, I don't have a better system in mind. On another point we have put so much ink into this RfD and I don't feel closer to understanding your point of view. Part of that is my own unwillingness to read and understand everything (I have been a bit slack, sorry), but also I feel the way threads work is floored. I would prefer I think lots of subheadings to keep us on narrow subtopics. For example in the Taranaki talk, I may have been guilty of moving the goalposts which happens often when you have so many points and feel you have to get them all out at once. As for my main problem of too few editors knowing the rules we make, I am musing on the idea of a NZ template on talk pages that links any specific NZ rule and spelling pages, like a FAQ but less aggressive. Dushan Jugum (talk) 20:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Kia ora @Dushan Jugum:, cheers for reaching out. I totally agree with what you said on the dual name discussions, I think they very quickly get out of hand and become unwieldy - I feel sorry for anyone new trying to wade in now! I think what might help when it comes to the understanding of points of view is to separate the discussion from the specific guidelines and talk about the actual reasons behind the points of view - for instance, are you just opposed to dual names because they don't align with wider wikipedia policies or is there some other reason you're not a fan of dual place names behind used? I think a bit of kōrero around that first, which doesn't even touch on the specific guidelines, would be far more helpful in terms of understanding where people are coming from and then being able to come to a clearer picture on how we can move forward. Turnagra (talk) 05:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Re Circumpolar peoples. Firstly I assure you we just follow the same pages and I am not following you. Secondly I wanted more subheadings and now I have four? different sub-threads on fundamentally the same question across two pages, be careful what you wish for. Dushan Jugum (talk) 09:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Not that you need any validation from me, but I thought the vote would have gone the other way. If I was on the "other-side" I would have definitively seen it as an example of an administrator counting the votes. Then hours later I was unimpressed when I saw a few pages moved in my watch list, then gobsmacked when I found out how many others had been. Anyway just wanted to say that your comment that neutrality propagates the injustices of the majority was not lost on me. It is late, slavery has started to be mentioned, take some consolidation that what ever happens next I have to tell myself that it is what I wanted. Dushan Jugum (talk) 09:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Blanket move discussion NZ your vote
Hallo Turnagra,
You have participated in a previous vote. There is a blanket move discussion initated by User:Spekkios to revert your vote on other pages which is here: Talk:Fox_Glacier_/_Te_Moeka_o_Tuawe#Requested_move_2_November_2021 in case you are not aware of it yet. Gryffindor (talk) 17:52, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Gryffindor: thanks for that - hadn't got around to that one yet but have been well involved in the other move requests. Be sure to also check out the Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (New Zealand) page for an ongoing discussion around the much wider page moves that have happened and an attempt at forming a process going forward. Turnagra (talk) 18:08, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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Maps of New Zealand
Hi Turnagra! I can work on other maps of NZ. May be you can make a list of what is needed and give me the frames of these maps (in N,S, E, W coordinates). I will generate them. If you wish to work on them too I can generate the drafts and you can finish them. The maps are svg and I use Inkscape to finalise them. As a start I thought that I can create a detailed geographical map of New Zealand similar to this, this or this. --Ikonact (talk) 13:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Ikonact! For maps like that, if you'd like to do one of New Zealand at a whole we could probably find a use for it, but it might be more useful to do one for each of the two main islands separately for their respective articles. I also think having some for some of the offshore island groups (such as the Manawatāwhi / Three Kings Islands, Campbell Islands and Mercury Islands) could be useful, in the same way that we already have ones for Stewart Island / Rakiura and the Chatham Islands (though I note that both of these ideally need to be updated with dual names where relevant).
- The other main maps I've been thinking of at this stage have been one of the Marlborough Sounds (N,S,E,W borders probably 40°35' 41°35' 174°30' 173°25') and Banks Peninsula (N,S,E,W borders probably 43°32' 43°56' 173°10' 172°30') - these two would probably benefit from having location maps, so I'm not sure whether you'd prefer to just do the blank location map or do a detailed one too - up to you! Turnagra (talk) 18:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- I will start with the location maps. I made a try with Marlborough Sounds. If OK I can make Banks Peninsula. I will do the islands after that. Let me know --Ikonact (talk) 22:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- I made also the map of the Banks Peninsula.--Ikonact (talk) 23:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think those both look great, thank you Ikonact! Do you mind if I go ahead and set them up as location maps now? Look forward to seeing how the detailed ones turn out, too! Turnagra (talk) 06:00, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- Good that these fit your expectations. Just a little clarification: when you say "detailed ones" do you mean for these location maps or the island groups maps? I do not think that we need more details on these location maps but if you wish so, I can make them. I will focus on the islands now. This may take a bit more time. --Ikonact (talk) 08:13, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think those both look great, thank you Ikonact! Do you mind if I go ahead and set them up as location maps now? Look forward to seeing how the detailed ones turn out, too! Turnagra (talk) 06:00, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Turnagra, here is the first map I made of Three Kings Islands--Ikonact (talk) 22:45, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- I like this, thank you! Is there any way to get the bathymetric data, or nothing high-res enough to use? Turnagra (talk) 08:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- I tried with the ETOPO1 data but the resolution is too low to work well for such small maps. I can give a second try and optimise. May be bathymetry data from LINZ can work too but I have to dig a bit deeper on their site to find the correct data. If you have any idea for better data I will take it. --Ikonact (talk) 10:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- I found Depth contour polyline on LINZ site. I can try it and let you know. --Ikonact (talk) 10:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Added bathymetry --Ikonact (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's come out well, thank you! Out of curiosity, how did you convert the depth contour lines into what you have on your image? That was where I ran into issues in my map, as I couldn't figure out how to properly change it over. Turnagra (talk) 18:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- What do you use as tool for your maps? I use some scripts that I made to turn shape files into svg. I extract the contours for a given level from the shapefile and then apply the same logic as for costliness. --Ikonact (talk) 20:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- This was just trying to use QGIS, with varying levels of success... Turnagra (talk) 20:52, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that with QGIS it is not obvious. You can filter using the "valdco" filed. But the bathymetry data from LINZ is a bit tricky. No polygones but lines so it is difficult to fill with colour. I am working on the Campbell island now and the contours around are not ideal. The same was around Three Kings Islands. There were holes and some strange perfect circles of 20m in between 30 and 50m areas. --Ikonact (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- This was just trying to use QGIS, with varying levels of success... Turnagra (talk) 20:52, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- What do you use as tool for your maps? I use some scripts that I made to turn shape files into svg. I extract the contours for a given level from the shapefile and then apply the same logic as for costliness. --Ikonact (talk) 20:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's come out well, thank you! Out of curiosity, how did you convert the depth contour lines into what you have on your image? That was where I ran into issues in my map, as I couldn't figure out how to properly change it over. Turnagra (talk) 18:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- I like this, thank you! Is there any way to get the bathymetric data, or nothing high-res enough to use? Turnagra (talk) 08:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm following this with interest. Great work! Would it be possible to produce a map that shows the Heaphy Track, with the track itself shown on it? The current issue with the track is that three bridges have just been washed away, including a suspension bridge of 147 m length! Would be nice to show on a map where that happened. Schwede66 21:10, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Schwede66! That may be possible but I will be grateful if you are have an example of what you want. A topo map with the track? --Ikonact (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ikonact, I actually quite like the relief maps that you've been producing. Schwede66 21:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Also, is it still the correct process that if I want to use one of your maps as a location map (e.g. in an infobox), I'd have to define it in Module:Location map? Given that you work a lot with maps, you'd probably more up to date with the happenings than I am. Schwede66 22:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- I created a map data in Commons for Heaphy Track. This can be imported in the article. I will work on a topo map later on. Regarding the location maps, I think Turnagra is better placed than me to explain. --Ikonact (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ikonact, awesome work. Love it! The map shows two tracks, though. The Heaphy Track (the long one) and a shorter side-track, the Shakespeare Flat Track. See the clip. Could you keep the latter separate, please? How should these maps be categorised? I had not come across this type of data before. Schwede66 00:49, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- I created a map data in Commons for Heaphy Track. This can be imported in the article. I will work on a topo map later on. Regarding the location maps, I think Turnagra is better placed than me to explain. --Ikonact (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: the maps should all be already loaded as location maps (see for Fiordland, Banks Peninsula, and Marlborough Sounds) so all you'd need to do is specify them on the relevant infobox. I've done this for the first two already on some articles (eg. Taiari / Chalky Inlet for Fiordland and Ōtamahua / Quail Island for Banks Peninsula) but haven't got to the Marlborough Sounds yet. Turnagra (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I see that it does things the way it should be in other infoboxes, but
Infobox settlement
seems to be set up differently. Going by the documentation, it seems that you do need to set it up via Module:Location map for coordinates to be shown as a pin. See Takapūneke for an example. Schwede66 23:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)- @Schwede66: Weird, I have no idea why that one is working differently to the others. How did you manage to get it working, so that I can do it for the other two maps? Turnagra (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- I does work once a map is set up via Module:Location map (which you've done; or was it Ikonact?) and by using it via the parameter
pushpin_map
Schwede66 00:49, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- I does work once a map is set up via Module:Location map (which you've done; or was it Ikonact?) and by using it via the parameter
- @Schwede66: Weird, I have no idea why that one is working differently to the others. How did you manage to get it working, so that I can do it for the other two maps? Turnagra (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I see that it does things the way it should be in other infoboxes, but
- @Schwede66: the maps should all be already loaded as location maps (see for Fiordland, Banks Peninsula, and Marlborough Sounds) so all you'd need to do is specify them on the relevant infobox. I've done this for the first two already on some articles (eg. Taiari / Chalky Inlet for Fiordland and Ōtamahua / Quail Island for Banks Peninsula) but haven't got to the Marlborough Sounds yet. Turnagra (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
I made the Campbell Island map too --Ikonact (talk) 22:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks again, love your work! I'll set to updating that article with it. Turnagra (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
+ Map of Auckland Islands --Ikonact (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- Looks great as usual! I'm not sure what's still on your list, but just in case you were planning to do the Antipodes Islands it seems there's already a map of the same style for them so probably don't need to bother there. Turnagra (talk) 18:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
+ Map of Snares Islands--Ikonact (talk) 22:50, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
+ Map of Bounty Islands --Ikonact (talk) 09:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi Turnagra! I reduced my activities on Wikipedia those last weeks and therefore did not finish with the NZ islands maps. I see from my list that I still need to make the map of the Kermadec Islands. Could you please let me know if there is any other map that you would like to have? Thanks --Ikonact (talk) 10:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- All good, hope everything's okay! The only other island group which could potentially benefit from a map would be maybe the Mercury Islands, since the current one has great detail of the bathymetry but nothing on the surface. If possible, I've wondered whether maps for the North and South Islands could be worthwhile as well, though I know that would be a lot more work so that's absolutely fine if you'd rather not do that!
- With the recent changes to the sub-antarctic islands and my other planned projects, I've also been wondering about whether a blank location map for Zealandia could be feasible - though this is quite a bit area, so there might be too much distortion for an easy one of those? Turnagra (talk) 08:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Turnagra! I am working on the maps but in the current political context I do miss some creative inspiration. Meanwhile I would like to draw your attention to this excellent map of Marlborough Sounds created by @Sting on a request at the fr.wiki. I hope you will enjoy it. Ikonact (talk) 15:26, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Regarding your request, Marshelec, here's the discussion about the Heaphy Track map. Schwede66 07:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
DYK
Have you ever considered giving your quality articles exposure on the main page (i.e. homepage) of Wikipedia? Puhi Kai Iti / Cook Landing Site qualifies for DYK (Did you know ...) and it's guaranteed that it will be shown. If you are lucky, it even gets a photo spot. I can show you the ropes if you are interested. It has to happen within seven days of the article having been created. Schwede66 07:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the idea! I think I'd looked into it briefly in the past but either couldn't quite get my head around the process or couldn't figure out a good hook. Happy to give it a shot if you reckon the articles are up to it, and of course any pointers would be much appreciated! Turnagra (talk) 09:07, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Schwede66 - I just gave the nomination a shot, I think I did it properly? (on looking back, I forgot to change the date that I made the article, so it's showing up as having been made today...) Turnagra (talk) 19:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Reverting / undo
@Turnagra: you can’t just undo a good faith move because it was undiscussed. You need to include a reason for why you believe the move was wrong. — HTGS (talk) 01:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Kia ora HTGS - I was pressed for time this morning when I made the reversion, which is why I didn't fully explain it as I probably should have per WP:BRD. Fundamentally, it's the exact same argument that forms the basis of the current move request: Your new title required more disambiguation, was longer, and overall not an improvement to the article. I note your reference to the Cave Creek Disaster, which happened three years before the dual name was adopted. Recent usage when not talking of the disaster uses the dual name, and so that's a better and more accurate fit for the article per the guidelines for geographic names.
- I also note the wording in your original message, and would like to remind you about WP:AGF. Turnagra (talk) 04:55, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Which is 'Removed from request'?
Your list of moves at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#March_23,_2022 lists a different move as "* Removed from request 23/3 as dual name does not apply to town" than [1] which has "Diamond Harbour, New Zealand" struck out instead of "Cam River (Canterbury)". I presume one of these two should be altered to match the other. - R. S. Shaw (talk) 19:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up R. S. Shaw! It should be Te Waipapa / Diamond Harbour which was removed from the request. I've properly deleted it now, and will check in later today at the requested moves page to see whether the change has properly been reflected. Turnagra (talk) 19:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Alšėniškiai
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi, why did you close the discussion without moving, if the arguments were clearly in favor of that? Marcelus (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kia ora Marcelus - I closed it as there seemed to be consensus amongst other editors not to move the article. The request had already been relisted once and there have not been any new comments in over three weeks. Turnagra (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Notice that on 9 march the page was moved by User:Cukrakalnis without any discussion, I didn't want to start an edit war, so that's why I started the move discussion. And there was no consensus, Cukrakalnis was proposing moving the page to the Latin name, also you need to weigh arguments, the name proposed by me was clearly the most popular in Google Scholar. The page should be moved at least to the old name.Marcelus (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- No answer??? Marcelus (talk) 19:28, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'll admit that I hadn't seen the various moves in the page's history - though I think Cukrakalnis had every right to move the article initially per WP:BEBOLD. I'm a bit confused as to the subsequent order of things, which looks like you moved the page to your desired title and then took out a move request? The subsequent reversion of your move would've been to make the move request work properly. All of this, however, doesn't escape the fact that there was consensus in that move request against moving the page to Holszański. At most, it may be worth reverting the article to its original stable title of Olshanski for a move request, as probably would've been a better approach than what took place, but I don't think that's necessary either. Turnagra (talk) 20:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Once again there was no consensus, because only two users were against moving (one of them was a user who originally moved it to Alšėniškiai), and they had no substantial arguments. My argument was that Holszański is the most popular in English literature, the other proposal was that the page should be moved to one of the Slavic forms of the name because most authors prefer the Slavic form of the name (which btw is historically accurate, Alšėniškiai is modern Lithuanisation). So I guess I should WP:BEBOLD and move the page back to Olshanski?Marcelus (talk) 21:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think a better course of action if you disagree with the closure is to open a WP:MOVEREVIEW. Turnagra (talk) 21:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- But don't you see the problem here? The user is moving the article under an incorrect name. You end the discussion prematurely without checking what the actual situation of the article was. A week is really not much time for such a fairly niche topic. Now I, in turn, have to start another discussion on the same topic, which will probably end similarly.Marcelus (talk) 12:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Marcelus is incorrect when he says
name proposed by me was clearly the most popular in Google Scholar
andthey had no substantial arguments
, because, as I said on the talk page:Most of the "Holszański" mentions are of separate individuals and not the family itself. The accurate rendition for the family would be "Holszańscy" (plural instead of singular) [12] - this gives only 3 results. Alšėniškiai is undoubtedly preferred to Holszańscy.'
We are talking about the whole family, not individuals, who would have likely called themselves different names, like in the case of another family, the Giedraičiai (examples: Gedroits (Vera Gedroits), Guedroitz (Wladimir Guedroitz, Alexis Guedroitz), Giedroyc (Jerzy Giedroyc) or Guédroïtz (Ania Guédroïtz)). This is not the first time that Marcelus made ungrounded overgeneralizations and claims. Cukrakalnis was proposing moving the page to the Latin name
that was only a minor suggestion when I saidCould Latin-language names be a neutral compromise to these discussions about which language names to use?
I asked this, because there is a continuous never-ending and unconstructive back-and-forth between me and Marcelus for a long time (already close to half-a-year). Marcelus also moved the page Romualdas Giedraitis to Romuald Giedroyć on January 18, when the closure was clear No Consensus on 5 November 2021. Turnagra, does this constitute a violation of wiki guidelines? If so, which ones? I am unsure where to report it, that's why I am asking, and this is not an isolated case as there is a disquieting trend of Marcelus breaking Wikipedia rules. Cukrakalnis (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2022 (UTC)- You are comparing incomparable things. You give examples of different Giedroycs whose common origin cannot be proven. This family was extremely extended. Already at the very beginning in the 14th century, we find many "Giedroycs knyazs" without specific kinship. Besides, you give the example of a Russian-speaking Giedroyc family whose name was transliterated in its own way in English. There were the Polish-speaking Giedroycs, who spelled themselves "Giedroyć", and the 14th/15th-century Giedroycs, who were undoubtedly Lithuanian and should be referred to by their Lithuanian-sounding surname. With the Holszanskis, the situation is different. This is a family with undoubtedly Lithuanian roots, but which became Ruthenised already in the first generation. From the second generation we can only find Russian and later Polish names. Besides, we can count the members of this family, they died out in the 16th century. It would be against the historical truth to use the Lithuanised form of their surname, because they never used it. And google hits prove that researchers agree that we should use Slavic family name in reference to the. You can accuse me of many things, but I just need to know you are understanding my point. Marcelus (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- The discussion had been going for nearly a month (including a relist) and had not had any new comments in over three weeks - that's not a discussion which has been ended prematurely. I'm not convinced by the argument that we should be using a plural for the name instead of a singular (for example, we have articles at Rockefeller and Roosevelt, not "Rockefellers" and "Roosevelts"), but the discussion had still gone on long enough in my view.
- As I said before, I'm more than happy for you to take out a move review if you're not happy with my closure. I don't think that my talk page is the best venue to continue this discussion outside the context of the original closure. Turnagra (talk) 18:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Marcelus is incorrect when he says
- But don't you see the problem here? The user is moving the article under an incorrect name. You end the discussion prematurely without checking what the actual situation of the article was. A week is really not much time for such a fairly niche topic. Now I, in turn, have to start another discussion on the same topic, which will probably end similarly.Marcelus (talk) 12:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think a better course of action if you disagree with the closure is to open a WP:MOVEREVIEW. Turnagra (talk) 21:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Once again there was no consensus, because only two users were against moving (one of them was a user who originally moved it to Alšėniškiai), and they had no substantial arguments. My argument was that Holszański is the most popular in English literature, the other proposal was that the page should be moved to one of the Slavic forms of the name because most authors prefer the Slavic form of the name (which btw is historically accurate, Alšėniškiai is modern Lithuanisation). So I guess I should WP:BEBOLD and move the page back to Olshanski?Marcelus (talk) 21:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'll admit that I hadn't seen the various moves in the page's history - though I think Cukrakalnis had every right to move the article initially per WP:BEBOLD. I'm a bit confused as to the subsequent order of things, which looks like you moved the page to your desired title and then took out a move request? The subsequent reversion of your move would've been to make the move request work properly. All of this, however, doesn't escape the fact that there was consensus in that move request against moving the page to Holszański. At most, it may be worth reverting the article to its original stable title of Olshanski for a move request, as probably would've been a better approach than what took place, but I don't think that's necessary either. Turnagra (talk) 20:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Article
Hello! Your submission of Article at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Cielquiparle (talk) 08:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC).
Advice re RM Discussions
I’ve observed that you have made a number of non-admin closures of RMs (some not without some blowback from other editors). When I started closing RMs over a decade ago, I made many mistakes as well. The learning curve was challenging. One of the things I did in 2015 was to capture a summary of commonly used arguments in RMs that in my view should be avoided. I share it with you as you may find it useful. Arguments to Avoid in Requested Move Discussions Mike Cline (talk) 12:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kia ora Mike, cheers for this. I've been trying to stick to the fairly straightforward ones for the time being (especially since a lot of the move requests I don't actually have the ability to do because I don't have the required perms yet) but this will definitely be useful going forward. Turnagra (talk) 19:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Puhi Kai Iti / Cook Landing Site
On 11 April 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Puhi Kai Iti / Cook Landing Site, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Cook Landing Site also commemorates the Māori who landed in New Zealand four centuries or more before Cook did? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Puhi Kai Iti / Cook Landing Site. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Puhi Kai Iti / Cook Landing Site), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Hector Mountains
On 4 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hector Mountains, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Tapuae-o-Uenuku / Hector Mountains have been an important mahinga kai (food-gathering site) for the Māori for more than 600 years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tapuae-o-Uenuku / Hector Mountains. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Hector Mountains), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Talk:10th Rifle Division (Soviet Union)#Requested move 29 April 2022
Hi; could you explain how you determined there was a consensus against this proposal? BilledMammal (talk) 03:24, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- As I said in the closing notes, the move has been active for over a month and in that time the prevailing view of the discussion is that the disambiguation of that page (as well as the two other divisions raised as part of the discussion) is fine as it is. There was no consensus on any other potential title, nor grounds for a WP:NOGOODOPTIONS close, while the discussion seemed sufficient to close against a move. Turnagra (talk) 03:36, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- What I am asking is how you weighted the arguments that allowed you to decide that there was a consensus against the move. BilledMammal (talk) 03:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're getting at with this. You argued that the disambiguation wasn't sufficient, other editors said it was – you both cited WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME with different interpretations, and I found the argument from the other editor more compelling. Turnagra (talk) 03:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- What I am getting at with this is that I believe you assessed consensus incorrectly, so I am asking you to explain why you found the "oppose" arguments more compelling than the "support" arguments. BilledMammal (talk) 05:58, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- And I have done so. I'm curious as to what other outcome you think would be possible in this instance, as a close in favour of a move with no proposed title would bean incredibly poor choice of outcome. I'm happy to reverse my close and relist if you'd prefer, as you clearly won't accept any answer I give and frankly I can't be bothered continuing the discussion, but I suspect this will just delay the same outcome. Turnagra (talk) 06:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think you have; you've explained that you found the argument from one of the other editors more compelling, but you haven't explained why, in the context of Wikipedia policy, you found it more compelling. And the two results that I believe would have been appropriate would have been no consensus, or a relist. BilledMammal (talk) 06:10, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'd assumed that it would be clear from their respective points. Now do you want me to relist or not? Turnagra (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, it wasn't. I'm not certain why you are unwilling to explain why, in the context of Wikipedia policy, you found their respective points more compelling. If you are not willing to explain why, then either changing the result to "no consensus", or a relist, would be appropriate. BilledMammal (talk) 06:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not unwilling, I'm just confused as to how you're not understanding it. Peacemaker's explanation of how the current titles fit the guidelines in WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME makes for a stronger argument than your vague assertion that it doesn't fit the same guideline, especially when that guideline states
the disambiguating term should be the common name of the country whose armed forces the unit belongs to
– the following section about further disambiguation is not necessary as per Peacemaker's argument that the other units are sufficiently distinct by virtue of being NKVD and Guards Motor divisions respectively. If that's still not good enough for you, I'm happy to go and change it to no consensus. Turnagra (talk) 07:05, 4 June 2022 (UTC)- Thank you for explaining. However, I believe you assessed consensus incorrectly; Peacemaker did argue that they are sufficiently disambiguated, but two editors, myself and Necrothesp, argued that usage is still ambiguous as 10th Rifle Division (Soviet Union) can reasonable refer to both of these articles, and since WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME doesn't give guidance on whether usage is ambiguous there is no basis to provide additional weight to Peacemakers argument. As such, I still believe that changing the result to no consensus would be appropriate. BilledMammal (talk) 07:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not unwilling, I'm just confused as to how you're not understanding it. Peacemaker's explanation of how the current titles fit the guidelines in WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME makes for a stronger argument than your vague assertion that it doesn't fit the same guideline, especially when that guideline states
- No, it wasn't. I'm not certain why you are unwilling to explain why, in the context of Wikipedia policy, you found their respective points more compelling. If you are not willing to explain why, then either changing the result to "no consensus", or a relist, would be appropriate. BilledMammal (talk) 06:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'd assumed that it would be clear from their respective points. Now do you want me to relist or not? Turnagra (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think you have; you've explained that you found the argument from one of the other editors more compelling, but you haven't explained why, in the context of Wikipedia policy, you found it more compelling. And the two results that I believe would have been appropriate would have been no consensus, or a relist. BilledMammal (talk) 06:10, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- And I have done so. I'm curious as to what other outcome you think would be possible in this instance, as a close in favour of a move with no proposed title would bean incredibly poor choice of outcome. I'm happy to reverse my close and relist if you'd prefer, as you clearly won't accept any answer I give and frankly I can't be bothered continuing the discussion, but I suspect this will just delay the same outcome. Turnagra (talk) 06:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- What I am getting at with this is that I believe you assessed consensus incorrectly, so I am asking you to explain why you found the "oppose" arguments more compelling than the "support" arguments. BilledMammal (talk) 05:58, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're getting at with this. You argued that the disambiguation wasn't sufficient, other editors said it was – you both cited WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME with different interpretations, and I found the argument from the other editor more compelling. Turnagra (talk) 03:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- What I am asking is how you weighted the arguments that allowed you to decide that there was a consensus against the move. BilledMammal (talk) 03:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Tracking my edits
Apologies for opening a second discussion; I have an extensive backlog on my watchlist to go through.
Eight hours after I moved Eyre Mountains/Taka Ra Haka Conservation Park you reverted the move, despite having never edited the article before. Similarly, eight hours after I created Scott Point you moved it to Tiriparepa / Scott Point, despite the article having no links to it at the time. I cannot think of any explanation for either of these examples, particularly the Scott Point example, aside from WP:HOUNDING, and so while I have raised this before with you I need to raise it again; please stop tracking my edits. BilledMammal (talk) 03:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I regularly track a number of pages – particularly around dual names – as well as the new page list for WPNZ. I can assure you I'm not personally tracking your edits – I have far better things to do with my time. Turnagra (talk) 03:46, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- This is the new page list for WPNZ from the time you moved the article. As you can see, Scott Point was not listed on it. BilledMammal (talk) 03:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well then I'm not sure where I saw it – perhaps on the WPNZ unassessed list? What I can assure you of though is that it wasn't by stalking your history. Turnagra (talk) 04:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- At the time you moved the article, it wasn't in the scope of any wikiproject, so it can't have been in WPNZ's unassessed list. In addition, it had no categories, was an orphan, and wasn't on the WPNZ new page list. At this point, I am unable to assume good faith, as there appears to be no way that you could have identified that article without tracking my edits. BilledMammal (talk) 05:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've explained that other move already – watchlists are a thing as you've said so yourself – and while I can't recall how I found Tiriparepa / Scott Point as that one took place so long ago, I can assure you that you're nowhere near important enough to warrant me paying that much attention to you. Now please stop lobbing false accusations and go find someone else's door to darken. Turnagra (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- By itself, that other move would not be suspicious. Surprising, but in the context of WP:AGF I would believe you, as I did the first time you reverted a number of my edits despite never having edited any of those pages. However, with this history, and with the example of Scott Point where neither of us can determine how you could have found the article other than tracking my edits, I cannot believe you, and would ask that you commit to not tracking my edits. BilledMammal (talk) 06:26, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I may not have edited a specific page, but it's an area (New Zealand places, especially those with dual names) where I've got an extensive edit history, so I'm not sure why you're surprised that I have a bunch of them on my watchlist even if I haven't edited them specifically. I'm not sure what the point of committing to not do something I already don't do is, but if it'll help you sleep better at night then sure, whatever. Turnagra (talk) 06:48, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 07:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I may not have edited a specific page, but it's an area (New Zealand places, especially those with dual names) where I've got an extensive edit history, so I'm not sure why you're surprised that I have a bunch of them on my watchlist even if I haven't edited them specifically. I'm not sure what the point of committing to not do something I already don't do is, but if it'll help you sleep better at night then sure, whatever. Turnagra (talk) 06:48, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- By itself, that other move would not be suspicious. Surprising, but in the context of WP:AGF I would believe you, as I did the first time you reverted a number of my edits despite never having edited any of those pages. However, with this history, and with the example of Scott Point where neither of us can determine how you could have found the article other than tracking my edits, I cannot believe you, and would ask that you commit to not tracking my edits. BilledMammal (talk) 06:26, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've explained that other move already – watchlists are a thing as you've said so yourself – and while I can't recall how I found Tiriparepa / Scott Point as that one took place so long ago, I can assure you that you're nowhere near important enough to warrant me paying that much attention to you. Now please stop lobbing false accusations and go find someone else's door to darken. Turnagra (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- At the time you moved the article, it wasn't in the scope of any wikiproject, so it can't have been in WPNZ's unassessed list. In addition, it had no categories, was an orphan, and wasn't on the WPNZ new page list. At this point, I am unable to assume good faith, as there appears to be no way that you could have identified that article without tracking my edits. BilledMammal (talk) 05:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well then I'm not sure where I saw it – perhaps on the WPNZ unassessed list? What I can assure you of though is that it wasn't by stalking your history. Turnagra (talk) 04:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- This is the new page list for WPNZ from the time you moved the article. As you can see, Scott Point was not listed on it. BilledMammal (talk) 03:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Kia ora anō BilledMammal – I received a notification about your recent message and reversion (just to be clear about how I found it). As I've mentioned several times previously, I have a range of articles on my watchlist, even if I may not have edited them in the past. I would have done the exact same move had another editor reverted the page, as indeed I have. I was not tracking your edits, as I have also mentioned several times previously. For instance, having looked at your contributions for the purpose of this reply, I had no idea that you were trying to downgrade WP:POINT. Turnagra (talk) 06:38, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hope you guys don't mind me butting in (cc BilledMammal). Turnagra, I'm pretty certain that I know how you would have seen Scott Point. When the article was first created, it contained a link to Ninety Mile Beach, New Zealand. As that beach has a dual name, my guess is that it's on your watchlist, Turnagra. If so, creating the article with that link would have triggered your notice badge to show up in blue. You can check whether that's true by clicking on your notice badge and that should show you all past notices. Schwede66 00:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't mind; if you can provide an innocent explanation it would make me considerably more comfortable. However, that isn't it; you don't receive notifications for articles being linked to articles that are on your watchlist, you only receive them for articles you have created. BilledMammal (talk) 22:30, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
June 2022
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Stephens Island (New_Zealand). Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Specifically, the statement vexatious move requests you and others have carried out
is casting WP:ASPERSIONS. This is also not an isolated incident; for example, a few days before you accused me of being fundamentally opposed to indigenous names
.
Please be careful to avoid personal attacks in the future. BilledMammal (talk) 07:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- WP:ASPERSIONS is not a get out of jail free card. My comments have been based entirely on our history of interactions and your proposed moves on places where even the most stringent opponents of dual names agree that the dual name is the common name – see, for example, on Aoraki / Mount Cook. I would also point out your similar opposition to South African moves (which, for the record, I saw by virtue of engaging with them through the WP:RM page). Until your actions demonstrate otherwise, I can only act based on the evidence which I have seen.
- On the subject of casting aspersions, I would also like to point you to the discussion directly above this, in which you accused me of hounding with no proof – a complete failure of WP:AGF, and in the process committing the very thing you're now trying to give me an (unfounded) warning for. Turnagra (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the data; Google News shows 35 articles using only Mount Cook in the past month, compared to 14 using both Aoraki and Mount Cook. Google Scholar shows 434 results using only Mount Cook since 2018, compared to 240 results using both Aoraki and Mount Cook. This is in addition to the ngrams and specific examples I presented in the nomination - there is clearly a strong argument that the WP:COMMONNAME is Mount Cook, and that means that it was - and is - appropriate to open a discussion on the topic.
- However, that isn't relevant. Aspersions is a requirement to support your accusations with evidence, and at the appropriate location -
Legitimate concerns of fellow editors' conduct should be raised either directly with the editor in question, in a civil fashion, or if necessary on an appropriate noticeboard or dispute-resolution page.
You made yours without evidence, and on an article talk page. - Regarding the hounding, evidence was presented, including evidence that you edited an article that you could only have found through my contributions page. BilledMammal (talk) 09:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- And now you say
This is bordering on WP:WIKILAWYERING
. If you believe my conduct is inappropriate, please raise it directly with me, rather than throwing out aspersions on article talk pages - I would also suggest reading Wikipedia:Wikilawyering#Use and misuse of the term. BilledMammal (talk) 09:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- And now you say
Postcard #1 (2022)
Postcard from the West Coast
Monday 20 June, 2022 |
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Kia ora koutou and thanks for joining the West Coast Wikipedian at Large project! I hope you enjoy helping improve coverage of the beautiful country of Te Tai Poutini over the next ten weeks • First, bookmark the 2022 project page to keep up with which topics we're working on • For questions and suggestions, use the project Talk page (and watchlist it) • There's a Useful tools section on the project page that's worth checking out • We're doing something different this year: instead of the daily reporting of 2020, we're compiling a weekly report: just edit the Weekly Progress page with what you did when you did it, no pressure to do something every day! • There are prizes for both quantity and quality • Online training for newbie editors (Mon 27 Jun) and Commons contributors (Mon 4 Jul)—see the About page and feel free to recruit friends • The focus for the next couple of weeks is Punakaiki: the pancake rocks (which need their own article?), Paparoa Track (a stub with no photos!), Cave Creek (much work needed, and photos of the track, creek, and memorial), and Barrytown, subject of a Wikiblitz but still with plenty to do • I'll be visiting the Punakaiki area and hopefully presenting on Wikipedia to the DOC team around the 29–30 June (depending on weather), and will take photos of tracks, river, points, islands, and caves–requests taken • Note: there's a West Coast Reptiles Wikiblitz on Sunday 3 July if you want to help improve articles about native lizards • Right, that's plenty! Maybe people would be interested in an online team chat? I could post a Doodle poll… • So looking forward to working with you all on this! • Mānawatia a Matariki, — Giantflightlessbirds |
Postcard #2 (2022)
Postcard from the West Coast
Tuesday 5 July, 2022 |
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Kia ora koutou and thank you all for your hard work over the last couple of weeks! We've had a cold snap here on the Coast, but at least the rain's slackened off and I've been able to get out on the blue sunny days and take snapshots • Schwede66 has been sorting out the Paparoa Range, cleaning up mountain wikidata, and expanding the Pororari River • We have a new article about the Truman Track, and a great photo selection for Cave Creek • Our hardest worker has been Marshalc, creating new articles on the Pancake Rocks, Bullock Creek, and the Inland Pack Track amongst others • I took a field trip to Punakaiki and sorted out the Wikidata and photos for every scenic spot between the Strongman Mine Memorial (Q112859334) and Hatters Bay (Q32217346) • If you're still thinking about helping, we could do with expanding the Punakaiki article, and sorting the best Pancake Rocks photos into a Commons gallery • Greymouth photographer Jase Blair donated some beautiful photos of Paparoa National Park which need using • The Avatar moth from Denniston Plateau (with its newly-improved article) will be RNZ's Critter of the Week on Friday • New resource: Mark Pickering's book The Coastal Journey (2010) (Q112841717) is free to download and a great reference • This coming weekend I'm off to Moana on Lake Brunner (to photograph the bays, walks, and especially the Kotuku Model Bungalow (those are all Start-quality icons, hint hint) • Check out the Project page to see jobs there are to do, and how you can help out! Ka kite ano. — Giantflightlessbirds |
Autopatrolled
Hi Turnagra, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled user right to your account. This means that pages you create will automatically be marked as 'reviewed' and no longer appear in the new pages feed. Autopatrolled is assigned prolific creators of articles where those articles do not require further review, and may have been requested on your behalf by someone else. It doesn't affect how you edit; it is used only to manage the workload of new page patrollers.
Since the articles you create will no longer be systematically reviewed by other editors, it is important that you maintain the high standard you have achieved so far in all your future creations. Please also try to remember to add relevant WikiProject templates, stub tags, categories, and incoming links to them, if you aren't already in the habit; user scripts such as Rater and StubSorter can help with this. As you have already shown that you have a strong grasp of Wikipedia's core content policies, you might also consider volunteering to become a new page patroller yourself, helping to uphold the project's standards and encourage other good faith article writers.
Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Schwede66 20:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Postcard #3 (2022)
Postcard from the West Coast
Tuesday 19 July, 2022 |
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Kia ora koutou and once again thank you for all your mahi over the last fortnight • We've been working on articles on the Lake Brunner area; the lake's article is looking heaps better, and it's in the queue for DYK • Marshelec, Swede66, and Turnagra have been the putting in lots of effort, with new articles on the Croesus Track, Mount Te Kinga, and the Pike19 Memorial Track amongst others • We've rescued lots of great photos from Flickr and other public collections • But these weren't enough: I did two field trips to photograph up and down the Punakaiki coast, and halfway around the Arnold Valley and Lake Brunner; numerous new Commons categories and Wikidata images resulted • Progress at the lake was derailed by having to be filmed for the evening news, editing Wikipedia in the open air while being attacked by sandflies (our project mascot is well chosen) • Over the next two weeks the focus shifts to Karamea, all the caves and walks of the Ōpārara Basin, and the Heaphy Track • There is plenty to do: the Wangapeka Track, Honeycomb Hill Cave, and Kahurangi National Park need massive work, so I'm stoked that Marshall and Lyn are joining me for a few days this weekend at Karamea to help • This is an area that critically relies on tourism, and it's embarassing the coverage is so bad in Wikipedia • Check out the Project page to see jobs there are to do, and how you can help out! Ka kite ano. — Giantflightlessbirds |
DYK for Copland Track
On 26 July 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Copland Track, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a hut on New Zealand's Copland Track had to be moved after being hit by a mudslide just 13 weeks after opening? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Copland Track. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Copland Track), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Postcard #4 (2022)
Postcard from the West Coast
Monday 1 Aug, 2022 |
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Kia ora koutou and thanks for helping with this project • It's been a busy fortnight: I visited Karamea with Marshall and Lyn, and we spent the day on the Fenian Track, which now has its own article and over 100 photos of the valley, the local flora and fauna, and the three caves we explored • Yes, there were cave wētā and spiders • I also got to meet with local historians, photographers, and nature buffs who are keen to share photos and deluged me with print materials • The double hook featuring the Paparoa Track and the Pororari River articles appeared in DYK on 25 July and they got 3000 readers between them, but the accompanying DOC video clip got over 400,000 views! • The newly-created Copland Track article was in DYK the next day, and Lake Brunner will feature soon • Great work, everyone • Coming up: Te Wahipounamu and the Haast Pass—I'll be spending three days exploring and photographing the area, and could definitely do with help fleshing out the skeletal coverage of the lakes, localities, rivers, and wetlands of that beautiful part of the world • Check out the Project page to see the north-to-south list for South Westland, and pick something to work on; ask me for a job if you don't have one! Ka kite ano. — Giantflightlessbirds |
Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 10:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Postcard #5 (2022)
Postcard from the West Coast
Monday 15 Aug, 2022 |
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Kia ora koutou; we're coming up to the home stretch! • I got back from South Westland with about 400 photos to upload and categorise into Commons • The DOC team down there are very excited about our project; they're busy reopening the Haast-Paringa Cattle Track with a new swingbridge, and I promised we would create an article with photos of all the huts • Archives New Zealand have a wonderful collection of tourist publicity photos on DigitalNZ; you could search them for pics of West Coast places for articles (see the ones I used in Pleasant Flat) • There's still plenty to do over the last fortnight of the project—if you could find some time to pick one of the biggest gaps and have a go at filling it, that would be great • in Haast, we need articles on Okuru (currently a redirect), Hannahs Clearing, the Roaring Billy and Thunder Creek Falls, and Ship Creek; I have photos of all of them • You could also check back through the Punakaiki, Lake Brunner, and North Westland lists for anything that needs expanding • In other news, I'm running an online workshop 7 pm August 23rd on Adding Photos to Commons; enrolment's free, share with any keen photographers you know • We're also having a Wikiblitz this coming Sunday to try to improve the articles about West Coast reptiles, and could use help • Thank you for all your hard work; I'd like to organise an online meetup on Zoom at the end of the project to look back at what we've done and have a think about next steps; will send some possible times • Ka kite ano. — Giantflightlessbirds |
Postcard #6 (2022)
Postcard from the West Coast
Monday 29 Aug, 2022 |
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Kia ora koutou; well, it's time to wrap up this project • What a wonderful and short ten weeks it's been; I've really appreciated all the mahi people have put into improving articles about the West Coast • There's a summary of what we've managed to achieve in the final report • Briefly: 24 new articles, 5 of them in DYK, 974 edits to 193 articles, adding 73,800 words and 653 citations • We uploaded 1126 photos into numerous new Commons categories • Standouts for me were Schwede66's sorting out all the Paparoa mountains named after famous scientists, Marshelec's work on Karamea and Bullock Creek, and Turnagra creating the Copland Track article • There are small prizes going out to those three, but I also want to acknowledge all the effort of Paora, Chocmilk03, and Gertrude206—great stuff • I'm about to head off to Europe for a month, to attend the Wikimedia Summit and learn what European Wikipedians are up to, but despite time zones would like to have an online catchup with participants soon • Thank you again for all your hard work; ka kite ano and I hope we'll have another bash at the West Coast again soon. Don't be strangers. — Giantflightlessbirds |
The West Coast Stamp of Approval | |
Thank you so much for all your work for the West Coast Wikipedian at Large (The Sequel) project, and I've a small thank-you prize for you which I'll pop into the post—will message you for a mailing address. Your help sorting out macrons and creating nicely-illustrated articles was much appreciated. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 18:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC) |
Dispute resolution
Do you see this as a content dispute, or an issue with editor behaviour? For the former, see WP:Dispute resolution, and perhaps WP:Mediation. for the latter, there's WP:ANI and if you get no satisfaction there, WP:ARBCOM. However, there are several parties on each side of this discussion (so WP:Third opinion is not suitable) and by taking it to the "drama boards" you will be seeking comment from people who may not understand the New Zealand perspectives on use of Māori and macrons and there is a chance it will backfire onto you.
One suggestion at the dispute resolution link is to disengage, and I have at least partially followed this strategy myself.-gadfium 04:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Whakatāne seamount
Thanks for the move as observed but should it not be Whakatāne Seamount ?ChaseKiwi (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- Kia ora ChaseKiwi - I thought about that, but it seems that it's usually just referred to as "Whakatāne" as the name from what I can gather (which is consistent with other seamounts in the area). As such, "seamount" is filling more of the role of disambiguation in the title, with the current title seeming more natural than parenthetical. Keen to get your take on it if you reckon it works better as a proper noun though. Turnagra (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- Its its official name New Zealand Gazetteer entry ChaseKiwi (talk) 23:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Renaming discussion was shallow to coin a pun
Good on you for detecting island issue in recent discussion on category renaming. Missed the fact that up to 100m or so under present sea level a maar could occur rather than a seamount. Please see Category talk:Seamounts of New Zealand ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)