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Military Rank
N. discharged as a Lieutenant (0-3) not as a captain (O-6).--2A02:908:1222:C020:E018:13E5:B2B4:4AFD (talk) 21:36, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
- Source? —DIYeditor (talk) 23:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Pronunciation
How do you say his surname? Like "New-man" Or "Noy-Man" Or "Nee-Man"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.141.43.130 (talk) 10:47, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Seemingly unnecessary details
Why does it matter that he smokes marijuana? I'm aware that it's illegal in most jurisdictions, but that doesn't mean it belongs on his encyclopedia page. Further to this point, more importantly, why is there multiple sentences about fantasies he has? I think many people would like to be "president of the world", so there's no reason to include this type of information, even if, for an unknown reason, it was reported by a journalist. These are not concrete plans he has, and it appears to me that it's only included to make him look bad. He doesn't need any help with that; the ridiculous amounts of money he's "earned" and his business practices more than accomplish that. 130.45.43.153 (talk) 21:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
No update needed?
I thought WeWork were close to bankruptcy? Or worse? I think I heard some BBC comments about it all being a fraud scheme built on Neumann's phenomenal marketing skills and personal charisma. Confusing something? Arminden (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Update introduction
Hello. I am Carlos, and I would like to ask for the following changes be made to the Introduction to update the information.
- Please add the following to the end of the first paragraph of the introduction, after the word McKelvey: "and in 2019, he co-founded 166 2nd Financial Services with his wife, Rebekah Neumann, to manage their personal wealth,[1] investing over a billion dollars in real estate[2] and venture startups.[3][4]"
- Please move the following sentence from the last paragraph in the Introduction and add it after the last sentence of the first paragraph: "He served as WeWork's CEO from 2010–2019.[5]" It makes more sense chronologically and adds clarity to state at the beginning of the discussion about WeWork that he served as CEO of that company for several years.
References
- ^ Ghosh, Shona (1 November 2019). "Here are the 3 men quietly overseeing WeWork cofounder Adam Neumann's millions". Insider.
- ^ Fu, Emily (7 January 2022). "Ex-WeWork CEO Adam Neumann's New Role: Multifamily Landlord". Commercial Observer.
- ^ Mathews, Jessica (18 March 2022). "WeWork founder Adam Neumann is back—as a VC". Fortune.
- ^ Putzier, Konrad; Brown, Eliot (4 January 2022). "WeWork Co-Founder Adam Neumann Is Becoming an Apartment Mogul". Wall Street Journal.
- ^ Gelles, David; de la Merced, Michael J.; Eavis, Peter; Sorkin, Andrew Ross (Sep 24, 2019). "WeWork C.E.O. Adam Neumann Steps Down Under Pressure". Retrieved Sep 26, 2019 – via NYTimes.com.
Thanks for your help, Carlos for Neumann (talk) 05:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Done Ptrnext (talk) 23:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks so much Ptrnext for implementing my edit request. I anticipate making further requests to improve the page in the future and would welcome your help again if you're available at that time. Carlos for Neumann (talk) 13:48, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Intro/Career and trademark
Hello. I am requesting the following edits:
- Please move the entire second paragraph of the introduction to the fourth paragraph of the "Career" section, except for the last sentence: "Forbes estimated his net worth to be around US$1.4 billion as of June 2022," which should be added to the end of the first paragraph of the intro. Having this much detail about Neumann's resignation in the intro is UNDUE for the lead. The details are more neutrally placed with the rest of the discussion of the resignation in the body. I propose that this text be moved to the end of the paragraph beginning "On September 22, 2019, there were reports...", such that the following can add to and replace what is currently the final sentence of that paragraph:
- Following mounting pressure from investors based on disclosures made in its S-1 filing, Neumann resigned as CEO of WeWork on September 24, 2019, and gave up majority voting control as of September 26, 2019. WeWork also delayed its initial public offering (IPO) until the end of 2019 amid growing investor concerns over its corporate governance, valuation, and outlook for the business. On September 30, 2019, WeWork formally withdrew its S-1 filing and postponed the IPO. [1] Artie Minson and Sebastian Gunningham were named as successors. [2]
- I also request that the sentence immediately preceding the above, in the same paragraph, namely: Neumann also repaid $5.9 million that the company had paid him in exchange for his trademark of the word "We", be changed to the following, which is a more accurate description of the event, and follows the sources more precisely:
References
- ^ Annie Palmer (30 September 2019). "WeWork pulls IPO filing". Cnbc.com. Retrieved 2020-03-01.
- ^ Brooker, Katrina (September 24, 2019). "The fall of WeWork's Adam Neumann". Fast Company.
- ^ Erickson, David (3 September 2019). "Why the We Company Looks Like the Me Company". Knowledge at Wharton.
- ^ Palmer, Annie (4 September 2019). "WeWork CEO returns $5.9 million the company paid him for 'We' trademark". CNBC.
- ^ Bort, Julie (19 August 2019). "How WeWork paid Adam Neumann $5.9 million to use the name 'We'". Business Insider.
With appreciation for all your work, Carlos for Neumann (talk) 06:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Ptrnext. Thanks again for your help with my earlier edit request. I'd appreciate your help again if you have a chance to review these suggestions. Please let me know if you have any questions! Thanks, Carlos for Neumann (talk) 10:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello @Carlos for Neumann, I'll defer to another editor. Ptrnext (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Carlos, I'm sorry, but I would decline this edit request. The circumstances surrounding Neumann's resignation from WeWork is a significant, if not the main, reason that Neumann is notable at all; removing that from the lead would give a reader the wrong impression of why this article exists. It could probably stand to be reworded--it reads a bit too technical at the moment, I'd say--but imo, should not be removed from the lead entirely. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- I would support removing the sentences
WeWork also delayed its initial public offering (IPO) until the end of 2019 amid growing investor concerns over its corporate governance, valuation, and outlook for the business. On September 30, 2019, WeWork formally withdrew its S-1 filing and postponed the IPO.
as overly detailed given the length of the lead. The body itself might be slightly too detailed but maybe not as I'm not seeing anything that immediately jumps out to me as appropriate for removal. I would support the change in the second bullet point. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)- Hi Barkeep49. Thank you for implementing the first bullet point from the edit request above concerning the overly detailed IPO description in the lead. Would now be an appropriate time to revisit the second bullet point from the request which you said you supported? Thanks again for your editing help. Carlos for Neumann (talk) 10:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Barkeep49 and Writ Keeper. Thanks for considering my edit request. It seems to me the two of you do not disagree with each other, therefore, I wonder if one of you can implement Barkeep49's suggestion to remove the two sentences that are overly detailed about the IPO from the lead; and to implement the second bullet point surrounding the "We" family of trademarks. Much obliged. Carlos for Neumann (talk) 11:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I was planning on waiting to see if there was going to be any more discussion before doing that. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think its important to say that he was forced/bought out after becoming a liability to the company, covering just the resignation in the lead would seem to be whitewashing. The COI editor doesn't seem interested in accuracy, just polishing their boss's tarnished image. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I was planning on waiting to see if there was going to be any more discussion before doing that. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I would support removing the sentences
Number of children and sets of twins
In the Personal life section, I just changed "two sets of twins", which is a mistake, to "one set of twins" which is correct. I also deleted three sources. This is why: The Neumanns have six children and ONE set of twins. This is supported by the new source I added, Esquire, which is from March 2022. Two of the sources I deleted, Fast Company and The Real Deal, are from 2017 and 2014, respectively, and state, correctly for those dates, that the Neumanns had five children. Neither of those sources mentions twins at all. The third source that I deleted, Harper's, correctly states that the couple has six children, but incorrectly states they have two sets of twins. Instead of those outdated and mistaken sources, I added the Esquire source, which correctly states the number of children and number of twins, and even has a correction from yesterday, July 27, at the bottom re-iterating this fact. Carlos for Neumann (talk) 10:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Major investment in new brand
Today, the New York Times reported news of a major investment into a new brand founded by Adam Neumann. I'd like to request that the following sentence reflecting this news be added at the end of the career section:
- The New York Times reported on August 15, 2022 that the venture capital firm Andreesen Horowitz would invest approximately $350 million in Neumann’s residential real estate brand, Flow, which is set to launch in 2023.[1]
References
- ^ Sorkin, Andrew Ross (2022-08-15). "Adam Neumann's New Company Gets a Big Check From Andreessen Horowitz". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331.
Thank you! Carlos for Neumann (talk) 15:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Decline, appears promotional. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that wording was more promotional than I'd have wanted. But our job is to summarize what reliable sources say, and the NYT is certainly reliable and so I did add a more neutral sentence to the career section. Beest, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Generation Hustle
Hi. In order to improve the NPOV of this article, the phrase "which profiles American scammers" should be removed from the second sentence in the "In popular culture" section so that the sentence reads as follows: "The HBO docuseries Generation Hustle produced an episode about the Neumann's leadership at WeWork." While Vanity Fair does describe the show using the "scammer" language, Generation Hustle and HBO Max themselves later changed their self-descriptions, per Deadline, Law & Crime, and The Verge. The negative description of the docuseries in the current BLP is both unnecessary and out-of-date, and it implies that some kind of scam or crime was committed while the sources above show that Generation Hustle and HBO Max edited their descriptions specifically to avoid this false implication. Thanks so much. Carlos for Neumann (talk) 11:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, also per MOS:POPCULT,
"A source should cover the subject's cultural impact in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item."
– I have removed the mention since the Vanity Fair source merely mentions the subject's appearance in Generation Hustle. I've also removed it from Rebekah Neumann's page – the documentary in any case is hardly about her. Ptrnext (talk) 22:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC) - The irony is the three stories you just shared gave us substantial coverage. Now we have to have a whole section about the TV show. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 23:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Closed as moot since @Horse Eye's Back has added a section about the show in question Quetstar (talk) 01:04, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Investments by family office
Hello. I'd like to request the following addition to the end of the first paragraph in the "Investments" section.
- Neumann also invested in tech-enabled mortgage service startup Valon Mortgage Technologies,[1][2] Argentine fintech company Ualá,[3][4] e-commerce platform Unybrands,[5] Israeli AI-based IVF software platform AiVf,[6] and Latin American fintech company R2.[7]
References
- ^ "Adam Neumann invests in mortgage servicing startup". The Real Deal. 3 February 2021.
- ^ Nasiripour, Shahien (2 February 2021). "Adam Neumann, Andreessen Horowitz Invest in Mortgage Startup". Bloomberg.
- ^ Millan, Carolina (18 April 2022). "Uala Founder Raises $30 Million for LatAm Venture Capital Fund". Bloomberg.
- ^ "Tencent, SoftBank-led funding pushes Argentina's Uala to $2.45 bln valuation". Reuters. 13 August 2021.
- ^ Sherman, Erik (6 January 2022). "Forget WeWork, Adam Neumann Goes Old-School with Real Estate Investments". Globest.com.
- ^ Weinreb, Gali (22 June 2022). "Israeli AI-based IVF software co AiVF raises $25m". Globes.
- ^ Millan, Carolina (2 September 2022). "Fintech R2 Reaches $100 Million Valuation After Google-Led Round". Bloomberg.
Pinging Ptrnext again given his willingness to review and provide feedback on requests like these in the past. I appreciate your help! Carlos for Neumann (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Carlos for Neumann, considering billionaires routinely make many investments – these are non-notable companies and likely the investment amounts are not significant (or disclosed) – I don't think it belongs here. Best, Ptrnext (talk) 04:37, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Ptrnext. Thanks for the helpful explanation. Would you consider adding the investment into the company (Ualá) which already has a Wikipedia page and thus seems to be somewhat notable? My suggestion for the new sentence to be added at the end of the first paragraph in the ‘Investments’ section is as follows, using the same sources as above.
- Neumann also invested in Argentine fintech company Ualá.
- Thanks so much. Carlos for Neumann (talk) Carlos for Neumann (talk) 12:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Carlos for Neumann, the Bloomberg News source says that the family office invested in the VC firm (17Sigma) founded by the founder of Ualá, and not Ualá itself. Ptrnext (talk) 15:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Ptrnext. Thanks for the helpful explanation. Would you consider adding the investment into the company (Ualá) which already has a Wikipedia page and thus seems to be somewhat notable? My suggestion for the new sentence to be added at the end of the first paragraph in the ‘Investments’ section is as follows, using the same sources as above.
Harassment lawsuit
Hi again. First of all, thank you Ptrnext for looking at my request concerning the investments. I hope to revisit that issue at a later date. Right now, I have a different concern, as follows: Please remove the third paragraph in the Business career section that begins "In 2018, WeWork faced a lawsuit..." Neumann was not accused of harassment, and his tangential involvement was mentioned in only one sentence in each source. Therefore, a full paragraph about this episode is WP:UNDUE and not in line with Wikipedia's BLP guidelines. This entire paragraph is better suited for the WeWork page. Thanks again. Carlos for Neumann (talk) 11:16, 14 December 2022 (UTC)