Review of draft
Would someone please look at this article my draft for Tommy Byars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4) and tell me if it is ready for submittion. It has been declined twice. I have worked on it with the help of others, but not sure if it is ready. HELP PLEASE! Cjmodica (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC) Cjmodica (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- This line in Early Life: "He was a resident of Beaumont, Texas, where he owned and operated the Harley Davidson and Suzuki Dealerships." implies that he owned two(?) dealerships in his teens. In the Tragedy section, you state that he was injured in an explosion in 1941 when he would be 13 years old. Specifications also need to be discussed in the "years to recover" as just three years later, he was refereeing for motorcycle races. Plus, lack on specification on some areas and generally looking like a Descriptive Narrative piece of text rather than an informative page in an encyclopaedia is probably why you got denied. Raymond Kestis (talk) 03:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Was it denied? I thought it was approved. The article on Byars' injury is fairly detailed. See references 39 & 40. Byars owned one business, the Harley Davidson Dealership from the time his father died in 1952 until he took on the Suzuki motorcycles, dropping the Harley Dealership in 1973. See reference #5. He continued to sell Suzukies until he and his wife, Joyce R. Byars, retired. See references 6,7 & 8. Cjmodica (talk) 04:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Would someone please look at this article ( Draft:Tommy Byars)and tell me if it is ready for submitting again. It was declined the first two times. I have worked on it with the help of others, but not sure if it is ready. HELP PLEASE! Cjmodica (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Cjmodica. Much of the prose is promotional and subjective. Your references are poorly presented and lacking crucial bibliographic information. For example, you mention an article in the San Francisco Chronicle but do no give the title or the author of that article. The same is true of your other newspaper sources. Cullen328 (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Would you please help me? I do not understand or know how to do this. Cjmodica (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica Unfortunately, writing an article takes a lot of work, after learning rules and technical jargon. Teahouse hosts will answer questions, but you'll need to do the work. Don't give up! David10244 (talk) 07:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Would you please help me? I do not understand or know how to do this. Cjmodica (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Tommy Byars - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, you presumably have access to the relevant newspaper clippings. I don't. Cullen328 (talk) 18:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks; I am trying, but just haven't figured it out yet. Maybe someday before my time is up, I will get it. Cjmodica (talk) 18:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have added the news article clippings. Could you please look and tell me if it is ready to submit now? I am excited and anxious to publish my first article. Cjmodica (talk) 16:09, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, you presumably have access to the relevant newspaper clippings. I don't. Cullen328 (talk) 18:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Article written by the institute - clear conflict - need suggestions
Hello. I made a very interesting observation on one page. For the first time, I saw this kind of sentence on a Wikipedia page of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Policy_Institute
Under the Goals section, it says "These goals reflect the main axes of our work; the means through which we effect change."
Under the approach section, it says "We welcome your views and any inquiries you may have on our ([1]) website and/or organization as a whole."
This clearly shows that someone from the institute has written this page. This is ridiculously surprising. The page does have a Close connection notice on top. But, should such a page even exist?
Can someone please suggest if it is better to clean up this page or what should be done? I was going to clean it up, but then I saw that line. So, I wanted to get opinion. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, ANLgrad. I am not familiar enough with media outlets in Pakistan to determine whether or not this organization is notable. But let's assume for the sake of discussion that it is notable. In that case, the article should be edited to remove all language written from the point of view of the organization, and instead written from the Neutral point of view. The word "we" should never be used in Wikipedia's voice. Cullen328 (talk) 16:17, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ANLgrad Much of the main article is a direct WP:copyvio from their website at this URL. I think that WP:TNT may be appropriate. Incidentally, it has been that way since this edit in 2009!. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- If I was at my computer and not my tablet, I would delete the copyvio stuff right away. I have trouble with on-screen keyboards for much besides typing... David10244 (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Possible deletion of the article is now being discussed at WP:Articles for deletion/Sustainable Development Policy Institute Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull that's an interesting observation. Its strange that it didn't get noticed. I am going to work on it, but I somewhere feel, as you rightly mentioned about WP:TNT, it should be re-written from scratch or even deleted entirely as it doesn't look too notable. I feel it is totally written by the institute. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 19:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- If I was at my computer and not my tablet, I would delete the copyvio stuff right away. I have trouble with on-screen keyboards for much besides typing... David10244 (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Should I stop editing?
Should I stop editing as this editor has advised? Draft talk:Middle East International#Do we have a problem? Padres Hana (talk) 17:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, Padres Hana. I'm not sure I understand the point of your original post in that thread. Is your argument that the publication is notable because it's cited in lots of Wikipedia articles? If so, that's not really a valid argument. Notability on Wikipedia is judged by whether a topic has been the subject of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. A publication could be considered a reliable source for Wikipedia articles without itself being notable. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- The original point I was trying to make is that I have used this publication as a source in a number of articles and thought some readers might want a little more about who wrote/published the information. I accept that Draft:MEI doesn’t meet Wikipedia’s standards of notability or that it is backed up by reliable sources and eventually this draft will disappear. I will have to add paragraphs to the articles on those involved in the publication and add this information as a footnotes to articles were MEI is quoted multiple times. I am approaching you at the Help Desk for an opinion as how I should respond to the suggestion that I should stop contributing to Wikipedia. Padres Hana (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Padres Hana. I think that the recommendation was that you stop adding this specific source to as many articles as possible, not that you should stop editing Wikipedia. I agree with that advice. Cullen328 (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- But I am not trying to add this source to as many articles as possible. I keep on learning details that are pertinent to certain articles. Padres Hana (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- You have added that same source to over 100 articles. That looks an awful lot like spamming. Cullen328 (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Why is it spamming when the references are to different articles by different reporters? eg Jim Muir, Helena Cobban, Peretz Kidron, Donald Neff etc Padres Hana (talk) 08:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Padres Hana: You are adding citations to your own work. That is spamming. You are adding links to the same publication in numerous places. That is spamming. You are doing this with a conflict of interest because they are your own works (at least that's what you seem to say on the talk page linked at the top of this section). That is definitely spamming. When you have a conflict of interest regarding a source, the best practice is to propose the addition on the article talk page, not add it yourself. You haven't been asked to stop editing, but to stop spamming. If you continue spamming, you will be stopped from editing entirely and by force, because your account will be blocked. I confess I am surprised that I have to write this reply at all, because you seem to be an experienced editor here. So perhaps I have misunderstood something. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Assume good faith Padres Hana (talk) 11:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Padres Hana: You are adding citations to your own work. That is spamming. You are adding links to the same publication in numerous places. That is spamming. You are doing this with a conflict of interest because they are your own works (at least that's what you seem to say on the talk page linked at the top of this section). That is definitely spamming. When you have a conflict of interest regarding a source, the best practice is to propose the addition on the article talk page, not add it yourself. You haven't been asked to stop editing, but to stop spamming. If you continue spamming, you will be stopped from editing entirely and by force, because your account will be blocked. I confess I am surprised that I have to write this reply at all, because you seem to be an experienced editor here. So perhaps I have misunderstood something. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Why is it spamming when the references are to different articles by different reporters? eg Jim Muir, Helena Cobban, Peretz Kidron, Donald Neff etc Padres Hana (talk) 08:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- You have added that same source to over 100 articles. That looks an awful lot like spamming. Cullen328 (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- But I am not trying to add this source to as many articles as possible. I keep on learning details that are pertinent to certain articles. Padres Hana (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Padres Hana. I think that the recommendation was that you stop adding this specific source to as many articles as possible, not that you should stop editing Wikipedia. I agree with that advice. Cullen328 (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- The original point I was trying to make is that I have used this publication as a source in a number of articles and thought some readers might want a little more about who wrote/published the information. I accept that Draft:MEI doesn’t meet Wikipedia’s standards of notability or that it is backed up by reliable sources and eventually this draft will disappear. I will have to add paragraphs to the articles on those involved in the publication and add this information as a footnotes to articles were MEI is quoted multiple times. I am approaching you at the Help Desk for an opinion as how I should respond to the suggestion that I should stop contributing to Wikipedia. Padres Hana (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
can i just edit the grammar sometimes
title Toosnote (talk) 00:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Toosnote: you can fix grammar, yes. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 06:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have done that before.Cwater1 (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, make sure the tone follows the neutral point of view policy. Prototo258 (talk) 08:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Supportive Documentation Declined for Draft Tommy Byars
How can I support what I am writing in an article where I have attached the actual newspaper clipping if Wikipedia does not support the website genealogy.com where the actual news article is posted? ie. [1] Cjmodica (talk) 00:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica you reference the newspaper article – Byars Capture ‘Cycle Feature, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, June 6, 1955, page 12 Karenthewriter (talk) 01:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. I didn't use the complete referencing format, for that would move the citation down to the bottom of all of the Teahouse postings, and I wanted it to stay with this post. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Karenthewriter: You can put {{reftalk}} at the end of this section to make a references box that won't go to the bottom of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. Cjmodica (talk) 01:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. I didn't use the complete referencing format, for that would move the citation down to the bottom of all of the Teahouse postings, and I wanted it to stay with this post. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Byars Captures Cycle Feature". Fort Worth Star-Telegram Fort Worth, Texas. 6 Jun 1955.
- I am very sorry for confusing you, and will try to explain things clearer. You cannot use a genealogy cite for a reference. But since the newspaper article you attached has the proper citation information, use that instead. Newspaper article title, name of newspaper, date of newspaper, newspaper page number where article appears. (If the name of the author had been given, the author would have been included in the citation.) Karenthewriter (talk) 02:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for answering my question. I used templates for my sources and entered the date requested, including the url link. Should I not enter the link that takes you to the article? Would you please look at my draft for Tommy Byars <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4> and let me know if it is ready to submit for review? I would greatly appreciate it. Cjmodica (talk) 05:01, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Need Help for Draft of Tommy Byars
Would someone please tell me what is wrong with this draft? HELP Please! I don't know what else to do. I'm at my wits end. I am handicapped in drafting my first article. Is there someone that can please clean it up to where it can be submitted for review. I really don't want to give up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4 Cjmodica (talk) 02:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your draft was just waiting to be reviewed, it can take up to four months and patience is required, I have reviewed and accepted it. Theroadislong (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- OMG---Thank you. I am so confused and still learning. Should I quit adding new information that I find regarding Tommy Byars or may I continue to edit this article? Cjmodica (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: Welcome to the Teahouse, and congratulations on getting an article accepted into mainspace! So long as information is reliably sourced, there's no reason why you (or others) can't continue to contribute to it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I do have more information to add but thought I might be in violation for doing so. Cjmodica (talk) 05:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, a lot of highly experienced editors have spent a lot of time giving you advice and assistance in creating this article about a motorcycle racer and dealer. Can you please remind us all what your personal connection with the subject is? Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- My personal connection is my home town of Beaumont, Texas and Mr. Byars was well known in our area. I purchased a motorcycle from the Byars dealership in the early 70s. Beaumont and the surrounding counties have numerous well known and notable people and businessmen, such as Walter Humphrey (world renown lawyer), Janis Joplin, Babe Saharius, Mark Chestnut, Tracy Byrd, George Jones, Johnny Winter, Edgar Winter and more. I don't think it is a conflict of interest but if it is, I will give it up. I love reading and writing. That is my interest. Next, I plan to write about my ancestor, Judith Jefferson Farrar, the aunt of President Thomas Jefferson. Will that be a conflict of interest since I am kin to her? Cjmodica (talk) 06:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- You mentioned that I have received a lot of help from highly experienced editors and I am extremely grateful for their help. I could not have written this article without their help. I am a perfectionist and I want everything to be correct. I thought Teahouse was a place to ask questions and learn. Are questions limited on Teahouse? Cjmodica (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, a lot of highly experienced editors have spent a lot of time giving you advice and assistance in creating this article about a motorcycle racer and dealer. Can you please remind us all what your personal connection with the subject is? Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I do have more information to add but thought I might be in violation for doing so. Cjmodica (talk) 05:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: Welcome to the Teahouse, and congratulations on getting an article accepted into mainspace! So long as information is reliably sourced, there's no reason why you (or others) can't continue to contribute to it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- OMG---Thank you. I am so confused and still learning. Should I quit adding new information that I find regarding Tommy Byars or may I continue to edit this article? Cjmodica (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
SUBMIT WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE
I wanted to submit an Wikipedia article for Khosi Ngema, who's one the main actresses in Blood & Water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khosi_Ngema MarcusMoore360 (talk) 06:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- ( i am not a teahouse host but i will try to help) so umm have you written a draft first? Abdullah raji (talk) 07:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Also i forgot to mension, have you been on wikipedia for more than 4 days and 10 edits? because you need that to start writing a proper draft. Abdullah raji (talk) 07:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- The article already exists here Khosi Ngema. Theroadislong (talk) 07:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- umm ok, so i seem to not understand anything so. umm are there any problems with the article. Abdullah raji (talk) 07:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- oh wait Abdullah raji (talk) 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Abdullah raji: New articles are noindexed until they have been reviewed by a new page patroler, or 90 days pass, whichever comes first. Khosi Ngema can still be found using Wikipedia's own search engine. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- oh wait Abdullah raji (talk) 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- umm ok, so i seem to not understand anything so. umm are there any problems with the article. Abdullah raji (talk) 07:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- The article already exists here Khosi Ngema. Theroadislong (talk) 07:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Also i forgot to mension, have you been on wikipedia for more than 4 days and 10 edits? because you need that to start writing a proper draft. Abdullah raji (talk) 07:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- MarcusMoore360, can I ask where you got the information about her schooling and family from? You need to cite the source for that. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- MarcusMoore360, your failure to answer my question makes me concerned that you might have a conflict of interest, which I see several other editors have raised on your talk page. Could you please clarify whether you have some relationship with the subjects you're writing about and, if not, where you're getting details of their personal lives and family backgrounds from? Cordless Larry (talk) 07:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hey Larry,
- I hope all is well. I got it from Savanna News it was cited in the article. here is the link again. I have no relationship with this person.
- https://savannanews.com/khosi-ngema-biography-age-instagram-blood-water-net-worth/ MarcusMoore360 (talk) 07:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for replying, MarcusMoore360. That doesn't look like a reliable source to me (it appears the information might be scraped automatically from other sites), but it also doesn't appear to mention her siblings. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- MarcusMoore360, your failure to answer my question makes me concerned that you might have a conflict of interest, which I see several other editors have raised on your talk page. Could you please clarify whether you have some relationship with the subjects you're writing about and, if not, where you're getting details of their personal lives and family backgrounds from? Cordless Larry (talk) 07:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Abdullah raji Anyone may write and submit a draft via Articles for Creation; the limitation you describe is only on creating articles directly. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Creating a company page
Hello team, I’ve just signed up and want to create a company listing for the company I work for.
is this possible? I’ve started to write some content in my sandbox.
If someone can shed some light on this for me and if I can, point me in the right direction.
thanks in advance, Ben BenASLAus (talk) 10:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- There are no "company page"s on Wikipedia only articles about notable topics. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something or someone, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Please also review conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 10:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete what you have on your User page and see WP:PAID for how to declare on your User page that you are being paid. This is required even if not being paid to create an article. Declared paid editing is allowed. See WP:YFA for how to create and submit a draft, and as noted above, see WP:CORP. Modeling your draft on existing articles is a good start, but not a guarantee of success (bad articles exist). What is essential is that all the content you create be verified by reliable source references that are independent from the company. David notMD (talk) 11:35, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi BenASLAus. In addition to the pages mentioned above, you probably should also take a look at meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations because "paid editing" does include other kinds of compensation in addition to direct monetary compenstion, and financial COI could be one in which creating a Wikipedia article somehow benefits your company even if it might not directly benefit you. Finally, the suggestion given above by David notMD about looking at other articles as models for the one want to create can sometimes be helpful for lots of different reasons, but as David mentions there are plenty of "bad" articles on Wikipedia. So, I would suggest you look for WP:GA or WP:FA articles that might be about a similar company since GA and FA article have undergone a review and they tend to be some of the better articles you might find on Wikipedia. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies, Wikipedia:WikiProject Finance & Investment or Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia if you truly believe your company satisfies relevant Wikipedia notability guidelines because it might be better to try and see if you can find someone else who's more familiar with creating articles and not a company employee to try and write an article about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD, @Marchjuly, @Theroadislong; this section is somewhat relevant to my question, so asking here. Gianluca Martinenghi article is a paid editing, i made before using AFC. now if i create an article without AFC, and i'm offered to paid editing, then what should i do and how to disclose paid editing, though not sure about being paid? AbuSayeed (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi AbuSayeed. I'm not sure what your question is and thus not sure how to answer it. If your question is somehow related to this Help Desk question, then perhaps it might be best for you to try and resolve things there. If your question has to do with something different, then maybe it would be better for you to start a new Teahouse discussion about it so that it doesn't get mixed up with this discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD, @Marchjuly, @Theroadislong; this section is somewhat relevant to my question, so asking here. Gianluca Martinenghi article is a paid editing, i made before using AFC. now if i create an article without AFC, and i'm offered to paid editing, then what should i do and how to disclose paid editing, though not sure about being paid? AbuSayeed (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Modified the draft, declined again. Please help.
Hello, Can anyone mention what needs to be modified in the below draft, have modified couple of times based on the comments. Would appreciate if there are any comments given here to get the draft approved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sreedharan_Sobhana Thanks 2406:7400:73:314E:0:0:0:101 (talk) 11:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- If we pointed out that most of this remains unreferenced, would you do anything about this? (I ask because various people have already pointed this out, yet you've studiously ignored them.) If no, you wouldn't, then I'd urge you to give up with this draft: it has already used (and it seems wasted) more than enough of various people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 11:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete everything about fashion and her awards in fashion. If she is notable for anything, it is her religious activities. Delete all the minor awards. Delete all the fashion images. Delete most of the External links. Delete all the invalid references. Make sure that everything that remains is referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Just trying to understand, why should fashion related info be deleted? She has got World Record-London in Fashion and the valid link for the same is given in reference. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am not ignoring anything here. How can I give reference while many are in hardcopy or certificates or printed in newspapers??? I have mentioned this as well previously. I am new here, not an expert maybe like you. If this draft was of no value, I wouldn't have spent so much time on this trying to understand the procedure to follow. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary - I am not ignoring anything here. How can I give reference while many are in hardcopy or certificates or printed in newspapers??? I have mentioned this as well previously. I am new here, not an expert maybe like you. If this draft was of no value, I wouldn't have spent so much time on this trying to understand the procedure to follow. If you could also let me know how can I refer to old comments? I am not aware how to check that, I cannot find the old one and hence have to post multiple times! Let me know if there is a way. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sources don't need to be online, but they need to be properly cited. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- IP editor, your previous question has been archived because there were no more responses for a few days - it is here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete everything about fashion and her awards in fashion. If she is notable for anything, it is her religious activities. Delete all the minor awards. Delete all the fashion images. Delete most of the External links. Delete all the invalid references. Make sure that everything that remains is referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Pushing translated article to publish
I have translated the Article of the Institute Rousseau to both English (User:Gato Struck/Institut Rousseau) and German (User:Gato Struck/Institut Rousseau).
The German Wikipedia sent me push notification to publish that I don't really understand (but hopefully satisfied?). How can I push both of these to review/publish? I could not find the right forum help article or info via Google, so any hint is appreciated. Gato Struck (talk) 16:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I assume you want to publish these drafts correct? If you press the large blue button that says "Submit the draft for review!", then someone will come along and deem your article suitable for submission or not. This might take a few days but don't worry you should be notified when the review is complete. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 17:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Once submitted, there is a backlog of drafts at English Wikipedia, so could be days, but also weeks or (sadly) months before being reviewed. David notMD (talk) 20:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Gato Struck The English version has been moved to Draft:Institut Rousseau but has not yet been submitted for review, which you do by clicking on the big blue button at the top. However, there are a few things to tidy up first, including CS1 errors in the references and an external link in the main text (not allowed, see WP:ELPOINTS). I'll help fix some of these. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
How to order list articles
Hello friends. I want to improve List of deists and one of its problems is that it is in no particular order. However I have seen lists of people that are based on their birth year, what they are known for, or just alphabetized. Is this just a style choice or is there a preferred way depending on the article? Thanks. mossypiglet (talk) Go blue! 20:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mossypiglet: It's a choice based on context. A list of people might be ordered alphabetically, chronologically, or by region, whatever makes the most sense for the list. Sometimes the list can be split into two articles, such as list of coups and coup attempts (chronological) and list of coups and coup attempts by country, because each one imparts useful information in its own way. For list of Deists, what would most people likely be looking for? Names or dates? Those are the two most logical ways to organize the list. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mossypiglet It looks from the page history that the list was intended to be alphabetical by surname until a couple of names were inserted out of place. Sometimes surnames aren't very helpful as they can be ambiguous: for example Voltaire was a nom de plume. Personally, I think that list would be better if ordered chronologically but that's a major change you would be best to discuss first on its Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Stub Article
Could someone please tell me what is a Stub article for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Byars? Cjmodica (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: That article isn't a stub. A stub is typically a very short article, maybe just one or two sentences that describe a subject, makes some assertion of notability, and cites one or more sources. Tommy Byars isn't a stub, it's rather well fleshed out. See my article Sayyid Baraka, I wrote it years ago, and it's still a stub, but it's a notable topic that belongs in main article space. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, the stairway for articles is, starting at the bottom: stub, start, C, B, Good Article ("GA"), A, and Featured Article ("FA"). In practice, not so many people seem to have much interest in the levels/distinctions below GA (though it may be considered somewhat ill-mannered to rate one's own creation highly or to bump up its grade). Promotion to GA or (especially) FA requires a fixed and sometimes exhausting procedure; A is little used. -- Hoary (talk) 00:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. It's a lot to learn. Cjmodica (talk) 01:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a lot to learn, if you decide to learn it. But it's quite OK to know nothing about it. Just improve articles. If somebody who's interested in this ranking business wants to call your product "C" or "B", let them. If/when you think your article is up to the standards of what are labelled "Good Articles", investigate WP:GA. If/when you're really ambitious, investigate WP:FA. The rest is noise. ¶ Ranking below GA -- that is, from "stub" to "B" -- was of much more importance when English-language Wikipedia was young, and articles on distinctly nontrivial subjects such as atom, Earth, stratosphere, prime number and parabola were mostly feeble, but at unpredictable levels of feebleness. -- Hoary (talk) 03:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: I would say most of the useful articles on Wikipedia are C-class. These are articles that provide a reasonably complete amount of information on a topic along with reliable sources, but the treatment of the topic may still be missing some key things. See Wikipedia:Content assessment for an explanation of the different grades. I'd say yours is beyond start-class, probably C-class, or even between C and B. The difficulty here is that the subject of your article pre-dates the internet, making information and sources harder to find. I'm quite happy to read (and write) C class articles. They generally have similar content as a print encyclopedia would have. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you most graciously! I am trying to find more information and source for this article. Cjmodica (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica Experienced editors, like Hoary above, often suggest that a good way to learn the ins and outs of WP is by reading existing articles (there's a "random article" link), fixing any spelling or grammatical errors that you see, adding any new (relevant, sourced) info where you see a need, learning how to flag bad articles (such as, if they are completely unsourced), etc. After a few months of this, you'll be more comfortable with the harder task of creating a new article. Improving some of our 6 million existing articles is probably more valuable than creating new ones. It sounds like you are on your way to becoming a good editor. It takes time; keep it up. The Tommy Byars article looks to be getting better. David10244 (talk) 04:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you most graciously! I am trying to find more information and source for this article. Cjmodica (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: I would say most of the useful articles on Wikipedia are C-class. These are articles that provide a reasonably complete amount of information on a topic along with reliable sources, but the treatment of the topic may still be missing some key things. See Wikipedia:Content assessment for an explanation of the different grades. I'd say yours is beyond start-class, probably C-class, or even between C and B. The difficulty here is that the subject of your article pre-dates the internet, making information and sources harder to find. I'm quite happy to read (and write) C class articles. They generally have similar content as a print encyclopedia would have. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a lot to learn, if you decide to learn it. But it's quite OK to know nothing about it. Just improve articles. If somebody who's interested in this ranking business wants to call your product "C" or "B", let them. If/when you think your article is up to the standards of what are labelled "Good Articles", investigate WP:GA. If/when you're really ambitious, investigate WP:FA. The rest is noise. ¶ Ranking below GA -- that is, from "stub" to "B" -- was of much more importance when English-language Wikipedia was young, and articles on distinctly nontrivial subjects such as atom, Earth, stratosphere, prime number and parabola were mostly feeble, but at unpredictable levels of feebleness. -- Hoary (talk) 03:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. It's a lot to learn. Cjmodica (talk) 01:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding Categories
Can another category and new information be added to an article once it is listed on Wikipedia? Cjmodica (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- They can be added at any time. -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- All WP-articles are works in progress. "If you create or edit an article, others can make changes." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Native Wikisource
For a foreign book that is translated to English and has an English Wikisource, is it necessary to fill in the native_wikisource parameter? For example, Crime and Punishment links to an English Wikisource, so would filling in the native_wikisource for Russian be redundant? Jaguarnik (talk) 01:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I, and most of the editors here, don't know the solution to this particular issue, since most of us do not edit Wikisource. I would try s:WS:Scriptorium/Help. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- i'd suggest asking at the help desk as there is more quilified people there 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Jaguarnik, if worried by a question such as this, I look for a featured article whose creator(s)/inquisitor(s) must have faced the same question (or a very similar one), and see what was done (and was supported by consensus or anyway didn't prevent promotion to FA). Le Père Goriot is a FA. Wikisource has it in French and English (and possibly other languages too; I didn't look). But the article has a Wikisource link for the English alone. Two comments: (i) I didn't bother to look when the link to Wikisource was added; this was possibly after promotion to FA. (ii) I never use Wikisource. I didn't notice any link from the English there to the French. But maybe it's there and my unfamiliarity with the website was what prevented me from noticing it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- An update: I filled in the native_wikisource parameter for Crime and Punishment and while it does not link to the original language wikisource, it did cause the infobox to change "Text: Crime and Punishment at English Wikisource" to "Translation: Crime and Punishment at English Wikisource" so I guess that's that. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Help with good article
Some time ago, I was informed by a reviewer on my talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jaguarnik#Some_baklava_for_you!) that an article I wrote, Igor Moiseyev Ballet, could be on its way to a GA nomination. I've worked on the article as much as I can but am unsure how to improve it to a GA article; I hope it's alright to ask here for any suggestions. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- At first glance, maybe more references to the claim that the ballet is a 'symbol of Soviet bureaucracy'. Sungodtemple (talk) 02:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jaguarnik. I can point you to Wikipedia:Good articles. It can give you ideas on how to make a good article.Cwater1 (talk) 22:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
"Resubmit" or try to speak with volunteer editor first?
Good evening - my real-life friend Piratecakes had a proposed new article rejected--Draft:Keanin Loomis. I have made a number of edits to try and respond to the comments received (need more references, and in response to a "WP:COI" tag I removed some language that felt a bit more promotional to me on a second reading). For next steps in my workflow, should I speak to the volunteer editor who provided the comment, or does it make sense to resubmit instead? (I guess another option is to try to ask some questions here.) Any advice appreciated, thank you...Barrieskyline1 Barrieskyline1 (talk) 03:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I suggest you talk to a volunteer instead of resubmitting. Note that the article needs to meet the "Notability" guideline, meaning the article needs at least two citations to reliable sources, that are independent (Not affiliated) with the subject of an article. My advice is that you read the following blue-linked terms to learn a little more, or read Help:Your first article on how to start out. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask here. ‡ Night Watch ω (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Barrieskyline1, Piratecakes - NOT ready to be resubmitted. A nuance - Declined, not Rejected. The Endorsement section should be deleted. Many of the refs either do not mention Loomis at all, or just in passing. All refs should be in a proper ref format, not just URLs. Last, but most important it is unlikely that he qualifies as notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word until he succeeds in the election for mayor. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Piratecakes @David notMD @Maproom @The Night Watch
- I can't thank you 3 enough for the pointers. I read the initial decline very differently than you. I have spent some time tonight regenerating references and looking for additional online sources. I've deleted some of the initial claims/facts because the quality of online source was not strong (e.g., looking for published articles, journalism, and through his Twitter). Overall, I think it is improved. My question is...what do you think? Link for convenience--Draft:Keanin Loomis Barrieskyline1 (talk) 08:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Barrieskyline1, Piratecakes - NOT ready to be resubmitted. A nuance - Declined, not Rejected. The Endorsement section should be deleted. Many of the refs either do not mention Loomis at all, or just in passing. All refs should be in a proper ref format, not just URLs. Last, but most important it is unlikely that he qualifies as notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word until he succeeds in the election for mayor. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Barrieskyline1, Draft:Keanin Loomis does not "need more references", and the decline notice does not say that. It needs better references. Maproom (talk) 12:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not ready in my opinion. The presence of the Endorsements section is promotional, and thus grounds for Decline if not Rejection or even Speedy deletion. Many of the refs in the Chamber of Commerce section are just name-mentions of Loomis. If he is elected mayor of Hamilton later this month, revise and resubmit. If not, don't bother. David notMD (talk) 09:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Hep for publishing article
Hi I request help for publishing my article. My article is rejected by stating the sources are not reliable. Could anyone be there to help me to fix the issue Jomaxwell24 (talk) 05:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I assume Draft:Melodica Music & Dance Institute is the article you are reffering to? For starters all of the sources you have provided are essentially just advertisements for the business and not actual sources. Your sources have to be from non-biased, reliable, third party sources. From checking your sources you also seem to be under the impression that a source simply has to mention the topic of the article to be a source which is not good sourcing. In order to improve your article you will have to find external sources which speak about the topic in a non-biased way (which an advertisement obviously isnt). Beyond that youre article is formatted poorly with a misplacced infobox, bold headings, unnecessary honorifics ("Mr. Afshin Jafari") etc. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 05:38, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I will find some few new sources as per your advise also, please could you please let me know how many resources we need to publish the article Jomaxwell24 (talk) 07:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Its not about how many sources you use, its about the quality of those sources. You could put a hundred advertisement sources but none of them would be as good as a single non-biased, reliable, third party source. Quality over quantity as they say. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 08:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the Locations section. David notMD (talk) 10:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. Thank you Jomaxwell24 (talk) 12:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the Locations section. David notMD (talk) 10:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Its not about how many sources you use, its about the quality of those sources. You could put a hundred advertisement sources but none of them would be as good as a single non-biased, reliable, third party source. Quality over quantity as they say. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 08:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I will find some few new sources as per your advise also, please could you please let me know how many resources we need to publish the article Jomaxwell24 (talk) 07:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
adding new page and article on Wikipedia
I would like to add an article about a place I have come across in Dubai because it is unique and I think is work adding along with its creators and owners. can you please advise what will be the process? 2001:8F8:1B6B:E947:A80D:CD0B:7409:C6FA (talk) 05:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. Please read and study Your first article. Writing an acceptable Wikipedia article is more challenging than you might think. If I can give you just one piece of advice, it is that the quality of the independent, reliable sources than devote significant coverage to your topic is by far the most important factor. Refeences to high quality sources make up the backbone of an acceptable Wikipedia article. Everything else is secondary. Cullen328 (talk) 06:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Article submission rejected
Hello,
My submission was rejected after adding extra resources from the news website and ranking website sources.
Please help me in the creation of the article. the issue shows the following details -
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.
Mahadevssarvade (talk) 05:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Dr. D. Y. Patil Vidyapeeth, Pune. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Mahadevssarvade. Your draft should explain somehow what "Vidyapeeth" means. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is written for a worldwide audience. I am a fairly well educated 70 year old American and have never heard that word before. I gather that it is some kind of educational institution. Your first reference is to another Wikipedia article. That's not acceptable per WP:CIRCULAR. Talking about ratings through 2029 violates WP:CRYSTAL. Wikipedia articles do not predict the future. A major problem is that your draft is uninformative. It does not tell the reader what this topic is all about. It fails to perform the basic functions of an encyclopedia article. When was it founded? How many students and faculty does it have? What are its various courses of study? What degrees does it award? And so on. I am bewildered rather than informed after reading your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 06:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding a Link
Can someone please tell me how to add a link to an article or direct me to the page where the template is found? Cjmodica (talk) 06:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, do you mean WP:WIKILINK? That's for linking to other WP-articles, or pages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. Can I do that or does it have to be an administrator? Cjmodica (talk) 07:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: anyone can do it. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 07:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. Can I do that or does it have to be an administrator? Cjmodica (talk) 07:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- you do it by typing [[ and typing in your link and it should look like this Wikipedia:Teahouse 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, to create a Wikilink to an existing article the term needs double brackets before and after: [[ ]]. Example: Vitamin A. As you can see, the term appears in blue letters. If you Wikilink to a term that is not an article, it appears in red letters, such as Vitamin Y. Sometimes that is done as a hint that such an article needs to be created. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica The article you created, Tommy Byars, has appropriate use of Wikilinking. Are you asking about something else? David notMD (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps the question is asking about how to get other articles to link to Tommy Byars so that it isn't an orphan. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- That article is not an orphan. I added it to Beaumont, Texas#Notable people yesterday. Cullen328 (talk) 15:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps the question is asking about how to get other articles to link to Tommy Byars so that it isn't an orphan. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- The unlinked boldface is a consequence of a wikilink leading to the current page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica The article you created, Tommy Byars, has appropriate use of Wikilinking. Are you asking about something else? David notMD (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, to create a Wikilink to an existing article the term needs double brackets before and after: [[ ]]. Example: Vitamin A. As you can see, the term appears in blue letters. If you Wikilink to a term that is not an article, it appears in red letters, such as Vitamin Y. Sometimes that is done as a hint that such an article needs to be created. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
5 Room solution- can't add picture
Hi guys,
I was bored in work and solved your "unsolved puzzle" but I can't up load the answer. How can I post it?
Many thanks,
Peter PeterJWade (talk) 10:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- It is mathematically impossible for you to have done so and even if you did you'd have to get it published in a journal before even thinking of uploading your "solution" FishandChipper 🐟🍟 10:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Five room puzzle. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- As the article shows, the solution is possible if the walls are drawn on a torus, but not if drawn on a plane. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Im pretty sure Peter is implying he's found a soulution on a plane which is again impossible. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 03:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- As the article shows, the solution is possible if the walls are drawn on a torus, but not if drawn on a plane. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Five room puzzle. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Dwayne Carter
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Closing this discussion since there's no real way to improve on the answers given so far. If the OP is capable of posting here at the Teahouse, they are certainly capable of finding the contact information they need by searching for it online.
Do Anyone Have A Email Address Or Contact For Lil Wayne Isreal Modeste (talk) 10:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Isreal Modeste, welcome to the "teahouse", where you can ask questions about editing or otherwise using Wikipedia. Not questions about people's email addresses and the like. -- Hoary (talk) 10:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- who is hoary 181.188.108.177 (talk) 11:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- User:Hoary is a Wikipedia editor. Note that we are all volunteers and may or may not respond to your requests. Sungodtemple (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you care to click on User:Hoary, your curiosity will perhaps be satisfied. -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- who is hoary 181.188.108.177 (talk) 11:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Isreal Modeste It doesn't take much research to find Lil Wayne's website from our article and its homepage has several contact methods. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please Could You Find It And Send It To Me That Would Be Nice 181.188.108.177 (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's listed in the infobox on the article page. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- could you send it for me cant fine it Baseball Bugs 181.188.108.177 (talk) 13:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Again, please see Lil Wayne. Click on those words and you will see it. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- after you click lil wayne where do you have to look 181.188.108.177 (talk) 14:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- The infobox is on the right hand side of the article. At the bottom of the infobox is the website. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Teaching you how to browse a page is beyond the scope of the Teahouse. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- after you click lil wayne where do you have to look 181.188.108.177 (talk) 14:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Again, please see Lil Wayne. Click on those words and you will see it. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- could you send it for me cant fine it Baseball Bugs 181.188.108.177 (talk) 13:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's listed in the infobox on the article page. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please Could You Find It And Send It To Me That Would Be Nice 181.188.108.177 (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
You asked the identical question at five locations within Wikipedia, which is frankly annoying, and led to the query being deleted in four places. Per above, see bottom of Infobox in Lil Wayne. David notMD (talk) 16:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Warsaw Philharmonic Choir
Hi guys,
I am just looking for a quick review after all suggestions had been done.
Draft:Warsaw Philharmonic Choir
thanks for your help and have a great day!
Marek Marek Gudowski (talk) 12:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- You've submitted it for a review, a reviewer will eventually carry one out. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Marek Gudowski: The draft is missing a lead section. See WP:LEAD. The lead section should provide an overview summary of the rest of the article. Instead, you start right out with some historical statements that don't give the reader any context. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Draft Review
Would someone please review my draft in my sandbox before I submit it for review to become an article? Also, if I submit the draft for review straight from my sandbox, will my username show in the live article?
I don't want my account/username to be associated with the article; I'd like the article to look like a regular Wiki article if that makes sense. I'm new to creating/editing Wiki articles and pages and was completely lost throughout this whole process. It looks like I'm going to have to delete majority of the photos because I don't have copyright information.
Sportsent (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sportsent You may click the "Submit your draft for review" button to request a review; we don't usually do "pre-review reviews" as volunteers have limited time. I will shortly move it to an appropriate draft title so it's not in your sandbox- though there is no way to remove your name from the edit history. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- It seems like you are associated with the person you are writing about. I will post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- It is now at Draft:Kenneth Wayne Scott. 331dot (talk) 15:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Difficult to understand how he might meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for an athlete, as he played no games as a professional. Listing his accomplishments in each college game has no business being in an article. Also, many of the refs were interviews, which do not establish notability. Several photos removed, as tagged for possible copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- On your Talk page, asked to identify if paid or personal connection to Scott, or not. Do that before doing anything else. David notMD (talk) 03:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Difficult to understand how he might meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for an athlete, as he played no games as a professional. Listing his accomplishments in each college game has no business being in an article. Also, many of the refs were interviews, which do not establish notability. Several photos removed, as tagged for possible copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Abuse by Admins.
Why do foreign Admins usually abuse and frustrate our efforts? Its as if Admins from other parts of the world don't value or appreciate the context in which we in Africa write our articles. You labour with an article,do all you can and instead of someone improving or adivising, they just simply, move, delete or tag your article without any remorse. Most of these Wiki Admins especially from Europe and America are simply inserferable!! Stop abusing our efforts, take time to understand atleast. Most of the admins just rush to trash our efforts and when we complain, the quick response is downplaying our concerns by labeling us biased and tell us we shouldn't mind about what they do! No, you people change your ways!!! Alvinategyeka (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! My name is Thedefender35 I see you have some issues with the way admins run this site. please see this for help on why they do what they do. If you have anymore issues please visit this page! Tdshe/her 17:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as an admin from North America, I'm curious about specifics. I'll take some blame for being insufferable (which my daughter occasionally uses to describe me). How can we help today? BusterD (talk) 17:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Alvinategyeka. I am an administrator and I consider it my responsibility to enforce policies, guidelines and behavioral standards fairly and impartially. I see on your talk page that you have successfully written many articles and I thank you for your contributions. If you have a specific incident to discuss, I will be happy to look into it. Cullen328 (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- And if I may correct Thedefender35, admins don't "run this site". The community does, and admins have been elected by the community to serve as janitors who clean up messes and try to keep things stable. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually there is nothing big. These are feelings ive just been having, feeling, the perspective Admins see things vary. Thats why i think that in subsequent Wikimedia events, issues like increasing the number of Admins from across continents would be better because they may have the on ground feel.
- Sorry for the outbursts. Alvinategyeka (talk) 10:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Alvinategyeka. I am an administrator and I consider it my responsibility to enforce policies, guidelines and behavioral standards fairly and impartially. I see on your talk page that you have successfully written many articles and I thank you for your contributions. If you have a specific incident to discuss, I will be happy to look into it. Cullen328 (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as an admin from North America, I'm curious about specifics. I'll take some blame for being insufferable (which my daughter occasionally uses to describe me). How can we help today? BusterD (talk) 17:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@BusterD and Cullen328: The OP appears to be referring to this exchange on his talk page: User talk:Alvinategyeka#Joram Model Management moved to draftspace, objecting to the fact that most of his articles seem to have been moved to draft space. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, Alvinategyeka has a high success rate of getting articles through AfC, and so plausible to skip AfC and create articles in mainspace. Some of these have been flipped to draft. Others have been Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 03:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- In the end, Alvinategyeka, the answer is clear. Be sure that every article you add to the encyclopedia complies with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, Alvinategyeka has a high success rate of getting articles through AfC, and so plausible to skip AfC and create articles in mainspace. Some of these have been flipped to draft. Others have been Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 03:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Controversial Local Political Figures in The Pacific North West
Hello, I was looking to write an article about local level politics in the Pacific North West, specifically controversial political figures in low level (Municipal and County), would this be an acceptable thing to create and page about? Political Jazz (talk) 18:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello I'm Thedefender35 As long as you maintain Wikipedia:Neutral point of view then there should be no issue with you creating an article! Tdshe/her 18:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Eh, not so fast. If OP's goal is to write Controversial local political figures in the Pacific North West, they would need to provide high-quality RS that each analyze a group of politicians that they describe as "controversial local political figures"; this is a high bar, and I am skeptical that it could be accomplished easily (we do not generally have articles for "Controversial local political figures in Region XYZ"). Alternatively, if they are looking to write individual biographies about local political figures that are controversial, simply finding sources about each subject individually will be much easier (if not necessarily trivial). The relevant guidelines are WP:BROAD for articles with broad concepts (like "Controversial local political figures...") and WP:GNG for the baseline notability of any given subject. signed, Rosguill talk 19:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP:NOTGUIDE#Case studies is probably more relevant. If no reliable sources specifically discuss how local political figures in the Pacific Northwest are controversial, then it would be classified as a synthesis. Articles like Slate industry in Wales would be fine though. Sungodtemple (talk) 19:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Eh, not so fast. If OP's goal is to write Controversial local political figures in the Pacific North West, they would need to provide high-quality RS that each analyze a group of politicians that they describe as "controversial local political figures"; this is a high bar, and I am skeptical that it could be accomplished easily (we do not generally have articles for "Controversial local political figures in Region XYZ"). Alternatively, if they are looking to write individual biographies about local political figures that are controversial, simply finding sources about each subject individually will be much easier (if not necessarily trivial). The relevant guidelines are WP:BROAD for articles with broad concepts (like "Controversial local political figures...") and WP:GNG for the baseline notability of any given subject. signed, Rosguill talk 19:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, @Political Jazz: see the policy WP:NPOL. Generally low-level local politicians don't merit Wikipedia articles. If there are reliable sources having national or at least regional coverage (not local sources) of Pacific Northwest politics, then that subject might merit an article, but individual political figures likely would not. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Big city mayors usually prove to be notable, but it is all about the level of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Cullen328 (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
hmm
does anybody here know anything whatsoever about Dorothy Ray Sircy? Somecoolguy12345 (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Somecoolguy12345, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question along those lines?
- Asparagusus (interaction) 20:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Google may be helpful.--97.115.120.224 (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: User blocked as NOTHERE by Materialscientist. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 18:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
IP range block
Hi. There are a few IP editors that have made the exact same, lengthy and complicated edit (removing about 7,000 bytes) on one page, which seems like it is being done by a single person. Where should I report this for range block of this IP? Dhruv edits (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Use WP:AIV but specifing range instead of just one IP. For example, Special:Diff/1115299614. Sungodtemple (talk) 20:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- If it's obvious and persistent vandalism, I would take it to AIV (admin intervention against vandalism). If you have doubts about either of those descriptors fitting, ANI (admin noticeboards/incidents) might work better.
- Asparagusus (interaction) 20:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Asparagusus @Sungodtemple Thanks. Dhruv edits (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
How could i improve my draft article?
How could i further improve my draft? Is it even notable enough to have its own article? I have made many articles and edits and i know how this all works but i just want to hear an opinion on it from someone else. -Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 21:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Kilaseell, it seems to me like a synthesis. I don't think there have been any reliable sources published on sports in Pori as a whole. I could be wrong, but the current state of the article does not demonstrate that sports in Pori are special, as is the case with NYC. Sungodtemple (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Kilaseell: I think you're better off just merging some of your info to expand Pori#Sports. There doesn't seem to be enough for a WP:FORK. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Draft article on Peter Cameron
Hello everybody, I recently submitted an article on Peter Cameron that has been declined 4 times, notwithstanding I tried to follow the suggestions in the comments, improving the draft and citing secondary sources (among which articles from the NYT and the LA Times).
We're talking about a well known author, who published short stories in a prominent magazine and novels translated into various languages, and who currently is present in wikis in other languages.
One of the reasons for the rejection seems to be that I might have a conflict if interest, but I clarified to one of the reviewers that I don't have any relation of whasoever kind with the author, nor with the sources I cited.
I should be really grateful if anyone would explain in clear terms why the article is judged not worthy of publication. Thanks for your help -- Lucretius (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lucretius, welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your sourcing, and find that the first 4 refs are self-written bios in connected, commercial sources. There is also a link to his latest New Yorker story. And 2 reviews of his work in prominent newspapers. None of these demonstrate his notability, as they are either connected or not even about Mr. Cameron. It may be sinply too soon for the type of coverage of Cameron Wikipedia requires: independent, in-depth, from reliable, published sources.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lucretius: It is actually possible for a book to be notable while the author remains obscure. I had a similar problem writing about an author who had a book on two different bestseller lists. The reviewer declined it because of the sourcing; too many sources were associated with the author (his website, interviews) and the secondary sources weren't about him, they were about the books. The reviewer suggested I re-cast the article to be about the books rather than the person. After about a year, I ended up with a better article: Gameknight999, which was approved and published. I see one of Cameron's books already has an article. Perhaps try writing about another book that might be more notable than the author? ~Anachronist (talk) 22:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Lucretius, and welcome to the Teahouse! First, let's go through the sources. The short description from the Saratoga Book Festival looks to be information garnered from the subject, AKA a WP:POV source. (I don't know enough Italian to trust myself to translate the second source.)) Per WP:GOODREADS, Goodreads is not a reliable source to be used in Wikipedia articles. The fourth source is from an organization in which Cameron is/was a member, and so is slightly self-published (which usually makes a source unreliable). The New Yorker is reliable, but only covers the sentence that it's cited in and nothing else; it doesn't give WP:SIGCOV of the subject and therefore does not justify the article. Per WP:LATIMES, the Los Angeles Times is a reliable source, but it is mostly a review of one of Cameron's books and again does not give WP:SIGCOV (it would be instead good in an article for that book itself). I cannot access The New York Times due to the paywall, but it is listed as a reliable source. However, from what I could see, it again seems to be a review of one of Cameron's books and doesn't show WP:SIGCOV. None of these sources fully justify this article.
- Now, onto the article itself. The entire last paragraph of the lede sounds very WP:POV. That is probably what made the most recent reviewer say that you seem to have a WP:COI. Even if you aren't personally related to Cameron, you seem to be a passionate fan of his based on that paragraph.
- (Sorry this is a bit long-winded; I just had a lot to say.) Asparagusus (interaction) 23:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I found some more sources, and pulled out some of the poor sources. Turns out he's had three books adapted as films. Most of the sources are about the books and adapted films, but the combined body of work should now be enough to get this accepted. One of the NY Times reviewers even wrote
I grew up reading Peter Cameron; he made me want to write.
The influences section is definitely POV-ey, but someone else can synthesize the themes from the various reviews. It's not disqualifying to be a fan, but everything needs to be independently sourced. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I found some more sources, and pulled out some of the poor sources. Turns out he's had three books adapted as films. Most of the sources are about the books and adapted films, but the combined body of work should now be enough to get this accepted. One of the NY Times reviewers even wrote
Thanks everybody for the comments, and thanks to TimTempleton for the help in improving sourcing! I agree that some of the sources I used are not independent and/or not reliable, and have to be discarded. To me the key aspect is that the author, as also Tim noted, has so far produced an ensemble of written works (some of which adapted into films) that to my eyes justifies an article in Wikipedia. Yes, I red Cameron's novels, and I can consider myself one of his fans. I tried to keep my personal opinions out of the article, but if the last paragraph sounds WP:POV, as Asparagusus says, it's fine with me to review it and make it more neutral. Please let me know if any of you has any other advice or recommendation. Thanks -- Lucretius (talk) 08:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Notable people
How do I add a notable person Hojo0909 (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- We define "notable" in a specific way. Do in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-subject news/scholarly sources written by identifiable authors and subjected to rigourous fact-checking exist? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hojo0909, this appears to be the only edit you've made. If this is so, you have no experience of working on an article. If indeed you have none, then get experience of improving articles that already exist. Once you've done that, think of perhaps creating this or that new article. -- Hoary (talk) 01:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Renaming a file on Wikimedia commons
I recently uploaded this file on Wikimedia commons but I did so with a factually incorrect file name. It should be called File:The Nile Vatican Statue.jpg
How do I request a rename? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 23:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle: This isn't Wikimedia Commons, but you would put this template on the file page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Rename - just follow the instructions on that template page for how to use the template. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Draft article on Actel Consulting
I submitted a draft on "Actel Consulting" a few weeks ago and it was rejected, citing it as advertising. This is my first post on wikipedia so lesson learned. I have since revised it to be neutral in wording and only listed objective facts. Can I resubmit it for review?
Romneyng (talk) 01:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Romneyng, the rejection tag on Draft:Actel Consulting means that the submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Do not try to improve the article as it will not be accepted in the near future.
- In addition, the 'objective facts' listed on the draft are not objective, and they are likely not facts, either. The bullets under #Consulting Services are a perfect example of puffery. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Romneyng, and welcome to the Teahouse. As stated on your userpage, you are an employee at the place you're writing about. You have a conflict of interest and are possibly being paid to edit the draft, which means you're not the best person to be doing so. The actual content of the draft basically says nothing and, if anything, needs a good copyedit. It doesn't say anything about the company that would make it notable. There are also no references.
- Asparagusus (interaction) 01:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Romneyng, 100% of the time, unreferenced drafts are not accepted . The only topics that are eligible for Wikipedia articles are those that have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, and you need to demonstrate that by adding references to those sources to the draft. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 03:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Another way of looking at this is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 04:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
In an article about a game, is refering to the person playing the game as “the player” acceptable on wikipedia?
Wikipedia has many policies and guidelines, and if I remember correctly, one of them is not using “you”. Is “the player” a better, more encyclopedic way to refer to someone? Just curious also I want to write an article about a video game GenZenny (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- On Undertale#Gameplay, 'the player' is used to reference the person controlling the character. So I would assume so. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes; but I would question whether a statement that might have been made about 'you' is going to be ncyclopaedic. Have you got a reliable independent source discussing whatever it is that the player could, might, or should do? If not, it probably doesn't belong in an article. ColinFine (talk) 04:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding company details.
Hello, I want to add my company details in manufacturing list. Can you help me out please? Dhanwant.patel (talk) 03:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Do in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-subject news/scholarly sources written by identifiable authors and subjected to rigourous fact-checking exist? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Probably not. Lists in Wikipedia are not usually lists of objects in the world (people, places, companies etc): they are lists of Wikipedia articles. If there is a Wikipedia article about your company, then it could be added to a list. There can be an article about the ccompany only if the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which basically say that there is enough information published entirely independently of the company to be the basis for an article about the company. Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 05:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- It is likely there is no list to add this company to. However, if there is an article listing manufacturers of the sort that the company is a member of then it could be added, whether or not the company itself is notable, if the list article isn't exclusively for notable companies. Guidance at WP:LISTCOMPANY Gab4gab (talk) 10:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
why iam not able to move my page to wikepedia?
I need to add my page to wikepedia Globifydigital (talk) 05:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Globifydigital. Is the page your referring to Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple? You created that directly in the article namespace so technically it is an "article"; however, I have a feeling that it won't be one for long and may end up being draftied or possibly even nominated for deletion. Generally, creating new articles can be quite hard since there's lots of policies and guidelines to meet that new users aren't really familiar with. It probably would've been better for you to submit this to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review since drafts upgraded to articles that way tend to have most of their serious problems sorted out before entering the article namespace and thus are less likely going to end up nominated for deletion. Would you like someone to move this back to the draft namespace so that you can continue working on it? Finally, I'm just curious about your username. Is it by chance the name of a company or some other type of organization? --Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Globifydigital, @Marchjuly That article has no inline citations. David10244 (talk) 07:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David10244: Yes, the "article" was still in need of lots of work (properly formatted inline citations being one of those things), but not having inline citations or having poorly formatted citations is not usually a reason for deletion or even draftification. Such things can usually be fixed without draftifying anything per WP:PRESERVE. The bigger problem was that it's not clear how the subject meets WP:GNG and that's something that can be really hard to WP:OVERCOME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly Thanks for that info; I am still fairly new. I see the "search for sources" note at the "preserve" link you provided. It seemed to me that the reliably sourced info in the article needed to demonstrate notability, and if there are no inline references, then the subject hasn't been shown to be notable... but that link helped. Thanks again for the tips. David10244 (talk) 04:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Globifydigital: A Wikipedia administrator named Cordless Larry has moved the article to the draft namespace and it can now be found at Draft:Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple. Since Cordless Larry didn't delete the content, they obviously feel there's some potential for it to someday become a viable Wikipedia article. I suggest you take a look at WP:YFA and HELP:REFBEGIN for some general tips on how to write and format a proper Wikipedia article and work on improving the draft. I don't suggest trying to recreate the article in article namespace again yourself, but instead submit the draft to Wikipedia's Article for Creation for review when you think its ready. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly The renamed user "Globify" has submitted the draft with (as far as I can tell) no improvements. Maybe they didn't understand how they were being asked to proceed. David10244 (talk) 04:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David10244: Yes, the "article" was still in need of lots of work (properly formatted inline citations being one of those things), but not having inline citations or having poorly formatted citations is not usually a reason for deletion or even draftification. Such things can usually be fixed without draftifying anything per WP:PRESERVE. The bigger problem was that it's not clear how the subject meets WP:GNG and that's something that can be really hard to WP:OVERCOME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Per your Talk page, you are blocked until you either change your User name or discontinue using Globifydigital and start a new account. Either way, you could then continue to edit the draft. David notMD (talk) 09:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How to post a vote to a wide audience
Hello- myself and many others are having a debate about a certain issue that keeps going back and forth. Since this issue only seems to be known by a small few within the realm I currently edit in, is there a way to post a vote to a wide-sweeping audience to get as many opinions as possible? A current conversation is taking place on a singular talk page, but I was wondering if there was a larger medium to cast a wider net of opinion. Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 06:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, The ganymedian, whether it's (A) yourself and "many others", or (B) "a small few"; but either way, you could post a question to the talk page of one relevant WikiProject (see for example Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#collage_vote). The question there is "we are doing a vote on mean your article collages [line break] should we have collages on main year articles", whose first half I find obscure. Careful phrasing of the question is worth the time and trouble. And Wikipedia:Requests for comment could be what you're after. -- Hoary (talk) 07:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @The ganymedian, have you looked at WP:APPNOTE? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Why my article got declined?
I added all necessary links to my article , but it got declined. Please help me how can I get it accepted. My article link. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @DevanshSingh01 Did you take the second picture yourself? David10244 (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- This article is about my father. He is a very well known Actor. You can google him as well please help me out I want this to get accepted. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please help me out. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- DevanshSingh01, if he's very well known, then I imagine that reliable sources will have published web pages about him. (Not pages that merely mention him. Not interviews.) You can google for these. Please do so, and show us the best three among these pages. -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Edit-a-thon page
Hello
We (a group from Wikimédia France) will host a big edit-a-thon tomorrow (350 people... wish us good luck). All new people with 11 Wikipedians with them on the ground. I wanted to give you a first hand warning that we will probably have 160+ accounts created tomorrow, with brand new editors. We will try our best to help them, but any help welcome. They will be lead on Wikipedia itself, Wikisource, Wikiquote or Comons.
My "newbie" question is... What are the best practices at the moment to create a edit-a-thon page (title and space) ?
Thanks Anthere (talk) 09:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Anthere I assume you have checked WP:EDITATHON? And good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea. I'll share that link indeed. Anthere (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Anthere: Bon courage! One thing that trips up many new editors, and that seems to be particularly common when groups of new editors are encouraged to edit Wikipedia, is that they don't understand how essential it is to check that sources actually verify the claims in an article. The good-faith new editor might find a "citation needed" tag, Google for the sentence where the tag is placed and find a Wikipedia mirror, which is then added as a source creating a circular reference. Alternatively, they search Google Books for the article title and find a publication that seems to be relevant, and then they add that as a source without actually having access to it, so they don't know if it is relevant. (I remember one instance from a few years ago, when a new editor in all good faith added a reference in an article about cooking vegetables in a pressure cooker. The reference was an academic paper with a title containing the expression "pressure cooker" in its metaphorical sense "high-stress environment", and it talked about group behaviour in a small group – no connection to actual cooking.) So, if nothing else, please do tell them that they have to make sure that any source they add is actually relevant to the content, and is not a Wikipedia mirror site. --bonadea contributions talk 14:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea. I'll share that link indeed. Anthere (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How do I add NASA template to sources image?
I don't know what's the template name. Can you please help me? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Typhoon_Maymay_2022.png Noru111344 (talk) 10:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "NASA template" and "Sources image"? Prototo258 (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Do you mean an infobox? Prototo258 (talk) 11:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Noru111344: commons:template:PD-USGov-NASA? also, you should ask questions about wikimedia commons on commons:commons:help desk. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 12:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
@Prototo258 The Licensing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noru111344 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Arieh Merzer - create wiki page
Hi, I have been doing some research on my great grandfather, a Polish/Israeli artist who operated in warsaw and paris before ww2 and fled the holocaust to israel during the war. I believe that his story is deserving of an article in this wonderful website so that other's may be able to find his art and his story. Is there anyone i can talk to about creating such a page? Or would I need to create a page myself? 62.232.108.138 (talk) 10:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could ask someone to do it at Requested Articles, but the backlog there is severe in the extreme. You are able to use Articles for Creation yourself to create and submit a draft. Be advised that creating a new article is probably the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia for a new or inexperienced user, so you would want to read Your First Article to start. If you wanted to create an account, you could use the new user tutorial as well. (it's not required that you have an account) I think great-grandfather is possibly a sufficiently distant relation to not be a conflict of interest, especially if you are certain you could write about him objectively and with a neutral point of view, but you may wish to review the conflict of interest policy anyway. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- IP editor. There is a recent essay called WP:BACKWARD (see that link) which gives good advice. New drafts do not have to be full biographies, they only have to demonstrate that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's specific sense, backed up by reliable sources, which you may already have. About WP:THREE decent ones will be fine. After the draft is accepted, assuming it is, others interested in him may chip in to add to the biography, especially if you create a WP:DYK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
adding a person to Wikipedia
how can we add a person to Wikipedia 69.140.199.93 (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome. That depends on who "we" is; do you represent or know the person involved? Certain policies would apply to you in that case, WP:COI and WP:PAID. Wikipedia is not a mere database where existence warrants a mention, it is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, called "notability". This person would need to meet the definition of a notable person, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia, and it's good to get some experience editing existing articles first. Please read Your First Article. If you still want to attempt to do this now, please visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. You will need to first gather at least three independent reliable sources with sigificant coverage to summarize. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
What happens if I spend a long time on an edit?
If I start making an edit and have the edit window open for a long time (while looking for sources/formatting templates/irl distractions, etc.), and then someone else publishes an edit to the same page before I finish mine, what happens when I publish my edit? I don't want to accidentally mess up someone else's work, but I'd also rather not make a bunch of short edits when there's more to work on. Axolotlanarchy (talk) 13:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, in this case the software will try to resolve the conflict by looking at which parts you have edited. If you have not edited in the same paragraph, then the conflict should be able to resolve automatically. However, if the conflicts could not be resolved, you will be prompted to fix it yourself (by presenting your version and the other person's version) before publishing. See Help:Edit conflict. 0xDeadbeef→∞ 13:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- You can put
{{Template:In use}}
at the top of the article before you start work, but it's usually simpler to make lots of small edits and publish them one at a time, or work on one section at a time offline or in your sandbox. Shantavira|feed me 15:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)- Hello, Axolotlanarchy. When I am working on a complex edit, like writing a properly referenced paragraph or two, I do the work in one of my sandbox pages, saving frequently as I go. When everything looks right, I copy the wikicode and paste it into the correct part of the article. That keeps edit conflicts to a minimum. Cullen328 (talk) 18:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Curious about ideologies in the first sentence of articles.
Good Morning, I am curious about the process or rules that come with putting a political ideology in the first sentence of a Wikipedia article. I notice that a lot of Republican candidates have "far-right" in the first sentence of this article. Doing a quote search for "is an American far-right" in the wikipedia search bar, I'm seeing that this trend mostly applies to candidates in the 2022 elections, such as Darren Bailey, John Gibbs (government official), Dan Cox, and Doug Mastriano. I'm also seeing that this same sentence starter applies to Alex Jones, the American Nazi Party, and other people or groups that could actually hold this classification. Doing a quote search for "is an American far-left" gives you only one result for a person, Cathlyn Platt Wilkerson. I'm wondering what the Wikipedia rules are regarding this phenomenon, and why this trend seems to only pop up among candidates for office this cycle. I'm sure none of these people self-identify as "far-right", and putting these candidates on the same level as Alex Jones or Nazis seems harmful to our already polarized political environment and how people feel about using Wikipedia for political information. What are the rules on this sort of thing, and could this be changed? Thank you so much for your help. Putnam89 (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Visit our policies on WP:CITE and WP:RELIABLE sources. Heiro 13:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Putnam89 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. If independent reliable sources describe a person as "far right", then we do, too. If they describe a person as "far left", then we would, too. This shouldn't be new to this US election cycle(note that Wikipedia is global, not just American)- if it seems that way, then it's because the Republicans are running candidates that are indeed further to the right. If certain Republican office seekers do not want to be described as far right, then they need to adopt policies and views to cause independent sources to not describe them that way. If you are aware of certain politicians on the other side of the aisle who are described as far left, please offer your sources on the appropriate article talk page. You are free to discuss Wikipedia policies at the Village Pump or the talk page of the relevant policy.
- Also be aware that there are special rules regarding edits about post-1992 American politics, I will notify you of these in a moment. 331dot (talk) 13:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Can someone help with our link rot warning?
I have addressed a link rot citation warning on a page for which I have a COI. Can someone please review the suggested updates on the Talk page and help make those changes and remove the warning? Page in question is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Development_Center Commandpitch (talk) 14:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Commandpitch. That looks like a lot of work, which I'm not going to undertake, certainly not right now. In general, you'll get better response to such requests if you 1) break them down into smaller pieces of work, and 2) Mark them with the {{request edit}} tag - that will put them on a list of edits awaiting attention. See WP:Edit request for more details. ColinFine (talk) 15:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Helpful, thank you! Commandpitch (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Review of Draft - Space Perspective
Hi there! I have been working very hard on this page and it has been declined: Draft:Space Perspective. I understand that the language may be promotional and am happy to change - if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve it I would be very appreciative. Both CEO's have wikipedia pages, are referenced on other notable wikipedia pages, as well as Space Perspective being mentioned on other pages...
However, part of the message on why it was declined is that my references need to be notable. This area I am very lost on and have no idea what is wrong with my references specifically - I focused on on sourcing notable references, filling out their info, from a variety of independent sources, but still seem to not be hitting the mark - could someone help guide me on what is wrong with my references so I can correct?
Many thanks in advance! Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Juniperjetcat, welcome to the Teahouse. As an example of promotional language, just at a glance through the article I see
Space Perspective is propelling ambitious, ground-breaking work in both the research and creative sectors and promoting dialogue and learning between the two.
, not to mention the entire section labeled "Mission". This sort of stuff should certainly be rewritten. As for references, they do not need to be notable - they need to be reliable. It is the subject of the article whose notability needs to be proven. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you - this is helpful and I really do appreciate your guidance. Will keep editing content with this in mind. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- External links in the body of the article should also be removed, and most of the unsourced content - the majority of the article - could probably stand to be removed as well. There do appear to be some good references (by our standards) at the bottom - what do they say? Write the article based on those, not what the company says about itself. (Note that the NY Post and Daily Mail are probably unusable, and articles by Forbes "contributors" are usually also not usable). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! This makes sense to me. One questions: why would the NY Post and Forbes articles be unusable? Is it because they are contributing authors or is it the title of the article, or the entire article? Again, many thanks for your help. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Juniperjetcat, see WP:FORBESCON, WP:NYPOST and WP:DAILYMAIL for the explanations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much - very helpful! Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Juniperjetcat, see WP:FORBESCON, WP:NYPOST and WP:DAILYMAIL for the explanations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! This makes sense to me. One questions: why would the NY Post and Forbes articles be unusable? Is it because they are contributing authors or is it the title of the article, or the entire article? Again, many thanks for your help. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How to cite a product catalog?
I've been trying to sort out information about guitar models on Wikidata and Wikipedia, and found some archived Ibanez product catalogs saved on the Internet Archive/Ibanez's website.
In the 1999 US product catalog I found information on the Ibanez PGM30 that can be used as a source for information in the article that is currently not cited.
How should I cite a product catalog like this template-wise? Would a catalog fall under Template:Cite magazine? Or would it be something else? Lizzyd710 (talk) 17:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Lizzy. I'm not convinced that information cited only to a product catalogue belongs in a Wikipedia article. If an independent source talks about a model, then you could use a catalogue for details about the model (see WP:VENDOR), but the general principle is that if something has not been covered by independent sources, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. I'm not sure what template would fit best: the difference between the templates is normally in what arguments they accept or require. Presumably there's no author or title here - but the important data would be publisher and date. ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia offer services
Hello all and thank you in advance for any help. I am trying to get a page published that had previously been declined before I became involved. I have spent a lot of time reviewing guidelines to try and make it meet all Wikipedia guidelines. Would anyone please take a moment and offer suggestions. It is a relatively short page. Draft:FSD Pharma Also, I heard before that Wikipedia offers services to help ensure a page is proper, meeting all guidelines and requirements. Is this correct? If so, could someone provide me guidance as to where to purchase these services? We don't have any issue spending a few dollars to work directly with Wikipedia. Thanks again! Mav5x5 (talk) 17:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Mav5x5, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm afraid you might have misunderstood; there is no such service provided by Wikipedia, and anyone claiming to offer such services more likely than not trying to scam you. Wikipedia is a 100% volunteer organization; we have no paid services of any kind, and we editors do not get paid or compensated for our contributions. Speaking of which, if you're being paid to edit Wikipedia by your own employer, you will need to disclose that officially, if you haven't already. There are instructions at WP:PAID. Please bear in mind that editing for pay is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia--though not forbidden outright, as long as you make the proper disclosures--and you will need to proceed very carefully. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Writ Keeper! I figured it was some sort of scammy stuff. I was just live chatting with GenNotability and he/she was super nice about providing some info. I had previously read/chatted about proper disclosures. I am working with the company on communications and have disclosed that FSD Pharma created the page (Draft:FSD Pharma). I appreciate any advice as I am definitely trying to do things correctly and by the book. Love Wikipedia and would even like to do some volunteer editing myself to help out around here. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- The standard place to make such a disclosure is on your user page (User:Mav5x5). Just copy/paste the following:
{{paid|user=Mav5x5|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}
- Insert employer name and client name as applicable where it says InsertName.
- There is also a template that can be used on the talk page of the draft, {{Connected contributor (paid)}} - this template can easily be inserted for you by someone else if the parameters are confusing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I created the Mav5x5 page as instructed and received a message about proper disclosure. I will admit that I am confused about how and where to insert the template. Again, any help is appreciated. Hopefully I can pass it on to others going forward. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, you need to remove the nowiki tags - these things: <nowiki></nowiki>. The visual editor may have inserted them automatically. The template won't display correctly with them in place. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ahh, I see that now. Done. It shows up cleanly with that edit. Now, are there things that I need to put on the draft page to make sure all is following Wikipedia disclosure guidance in addition to the "Disclosure" section? Draft:FSD Pharma Thank you! Mav5x5 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, I put the template on the talk page for you, it's the yellow box at the top of Draft talk:FSD Pharma. You can adjust if anything is incorrect. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks. I am starting to understand this process now. Good info. So everything look compliant now? You all are the best. Glad GenNotability directed me here. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, you seem to be all good on the paid editing front. Since there's been quite a bit of previously undisclosed paid editing, the little box at the top which says "may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments" will probably stay until a reviewer takes a good look and decides the draft is okay.
- I haven't given your draft or its sources an in-depth look - I'm a bit limited in what I can do (besides not being terribly experienced) - so hopefully someone else will bring up any issues on that front. I did remove the disclosure section from the bottom (not necessary, that's what the templates are for) and I created a references section. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Holy cow thanks a ton. Okay on the little box, I think a bunch of that stuff was done before I came around. I can't tell you how much your help is appreciated. I'll pay it forward for sure when possible. Mav5x5 (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Welp, Theroadislong, decline the draft again. The comment is the "undisclosed compensation is rife here." Trying to do it correctly and really don't think the article is remotely promotional. Not sure what to do at this point. Mav5x5 (talk) 19:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, the reason for their decline is in the pink box at the top:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies).
Their additional comment was simply an additional comment. The sources are the problem. - Honestly, it doesn't seem like the company has done a whole lot except buy other companies and start-then-stop development of drugs. There just may not be enough for a Wikipedia article yet. Maybe there will be in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, the reason for their decline is in the pink box at the top:
- Awesome, thanks. I am starting to understand this process now. Good info. So everything look compliant now? You all are the best. Glad GenNotability directed me here. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, I put the template on the talk page for you, it's the yellow box at the top of Draft talk:FSD Pharma. You can adjust if anything is incorrect. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ahh, I see that now. Done. It shows up cleanly with that edit. Now, are there things that I need to put on the draft page to make sure all is following Wikipedia disclosure guidance in addition to the "Disclosure" section? Draft:FSD Pharma Thank you! Mav5x5 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, you need to remove the nowiki tags - these things: <nowiki></nowiki>. The visual editor may have inserted them automatically. The template won't display correctly with them in place. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I created the Mav5x5 page as instructed and received a message about proper disclosure. I will admit that I am confused about how and where to insert the template. Again, any help is appreciated. Hopefully I can pass it on to others going forward. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- The standard place to make such a disclosure is on your user page (User:Mav5x5). Just copy/paste the following:
- Thanks Writ Keeper! I figured it was some sort of scammy stuff. I was just live chatting with GenNotability and he/she was super nice about providing some info. I had previously read/chatted about proper disclosures. I am working with the company on communications and have disclosed that FSD Pharma created the page (Draft:FSD Pharma). I appreciate any advice as I am definitely trying to do things correctly and by the book. Love Wikipedia and would even like to do some volunteer editing myself to help out around here. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Fortunately, @Mav5x5, it's very easy and completely free to "work directly with Wikipedia" - you've already done it by making edits and communicating with other editors. You are as much "Wikipedia" as any of us are, which is to say, no one is, and everyone is. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's a really cool way of presenting it! Thanks. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP does offer a welcome and mentorship to newcomers. See your talkpage as I have now posted there and will help in any way I can. I can't compete with the wonderful Teahouse of course, but perhaps I can supplement them a little with the simple stuff. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Mav5x5. The fact that you are talking about "get a page published" suggests that you have a very common misconception that a Wikipedia article about your company is in any way for your company's benefit. It might be, of course, but that is absolutely no part of Wikipedia's purpose. Wikipedia's purpose in respect of an article about your company is to summarize what independent reliable sources have said about your company - whether or not you like what those sources say. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5: I took a look at the article and Googled the company and don't see enough media coverage to meet WP:NCORP. I did see this and to a lesser degree this, but that's it. I think it's WP:TOOSOON. When you have drugs approved, there'll be coverage that you can use. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's a really cool way of presenting it! Thanks. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
CRS? token
HI! I tried to post a reply to someone on Talk:Historiography of Christianization of the Roman Empire, and it didn't take it, saying I had an invalid CRS token - at least I think it was CRS - then on the second try, it took it. Does anyone there know what a CRS token is, why mine would be invalid, and why it took it afterall? Should I be concerned - or just confused? Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Jenhawk. CSRF tokens are nothing to do with Wikipedia, but are part of how the web maintains security. If you're getting the error (and nobody else is) it's probably a momentary glitch which will go away if you try again; though it is possible that you'll need to discard your edits and begin editing again. (If you do that, I suggest copying the text of your edit before you do it). ColinFine (talk) 19:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Editing table/fixtures data on sporting pages
Is there a resource available which shows how to edit/generate tables on sporting pages such as at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2023_FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_UEFA_group_tables ?
I'd like to contribute to articles of the more niche sports but I find the current setup very tricky to navigate, is there somewhere I can be pointed to? Calico1903 (talk) 20:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Calico1903: Tables in wiki markup can be confusing, but it's even worse in raw HTML. See Help:Wikitable to learn more about tables. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- In my experience, Wikipedia's table markup is even worse than raw html. Neither is fun to use. Maproom (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Calico1903: Template:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification – UEFA group tables uses neither wiki markup nor HTML to make tables. It calls Module:Sports table with
{{#invoke:Sports table|main|style=WDL|...}}
. See Module:Sports table/WDL for documentation of thestyle=WDL
variant. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Calico1903: Template:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification – UEFA group tables uses neither wiki markup nor HTML to make tables. It calls Module:Sports table with
- In my experience, Wikipedia's table markup is even worse than raw html. Neither is fun to use. Maproom (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Daily Mail vandalism?
hello - I noticed the use of the initials 'AP' here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Successful_lawsuits_against_the_Mail under 2019 and 2021 - made a note on the talk page. Before I edit, it occurred to me to share the fact in case it's a bigger problem. AP is usually taken to mean The Associated Press - should read 'ANL' Associated Newspapers Ltd. Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Thelisteninghand: I couldn't find where "Daily Mail" was changed to "AP" in the article history, but if you check the cited sources, you'll see that it's wrong and should be corrected. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I thought so. Done. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia Page Creator
There are so many companies out there that claims to be the best, I was wondering if anyone has some reliable and professional referrals? 173.197.161.118 (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Best at what? And what does this have to do with editing Wikipedia? Wikipedia doesn't care what companies say about themselves. We care only what unconnected reliable sources have to say about them. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think the IP is asking about companies that advertise Wikipedia article creation services. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you are talking about article creation services, Wikipedia does not allow paid editing unless the editor properly discloses their employer in accordance with WP:PAID. Iscargra (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- And most outfits that offer Wikipedia article creation services are either scammers or banned from Wikipedia for abuse. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- They are? [Citation needed] ¶ I rather often review unusually competent drafts, free of any obvious promotionalism, by new, single-purpose accounts. I presume that many of these accounts are among very many that are created by commercial services, quickly used, and then forgotten. However, I have no clear evidence that these are commercial services and am obliged to "AGF"; therefore, if such a draft seems good, I uncomplainingly accept it. If it's what I suspect it is, WP:PAID is being contravened; but I've no reason to think that the perp has scammed their client. I'm not even sure that competent commercial services produce less stuff here than do incompetent commercial services: it's just that the fruits of the latter are (often laughably) conspicuous. -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How to manage my watchlist?
I decided to use Twinkle to undo a bunch of vandalism, but now my watchlist is messed up. I want to only watch pages I've created that aren't warning user talk pages. How do I get rid of all of the pages added by Twinkle? I have noticed that the Twinkle watchlist pages do expire in a month, while the ones I watch when making pages don't expire ever, but there doesn't seem to be a button for cleaning out all non-permanent entries. RPI2026F1 (talk) 02:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @RPI2026F1 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can edit your watchlist, by clicking on "Edit your list of watched pages" just above the "saved filters" button. This will allow you to edit your watchlist and remove pages you don't want to see. Otherwise, you could read Help:Watchlist#Controlling which pages are watched for clearer information. Jolly1253 (talk) 02:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- You can also adjust the settings for Twinkle at Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences to not watch the talk pages of users you warn. Madeline (part of me) 07:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Help with cropping CC image and adding to infobox of BLP
Hi, budding editor learning the ropes here. I'm comfortable making edits to the text of an article but am totally green regarding the use of images. I want to add an image to the infobox of Jason Benetti but am unsure exactly how to proceed. I found an image [1] of him (left) on Wikimedia Commons which I think is freely licensed based on my reading of Wikipedia:Image use policy (it's CC BY-SA 3.0) but I'm not 100% sure how to add it to the article, especially since the photo has 2 people in it and needs to be cropped to show only him. Can anybody give me a quick rundown on this? TomFitz77 (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- HiTomFitz77. The easiest thing for you to probably do would be to post a request a c:COM:GL/P and ask someone else to crop the image. Otherwise, you could download the image to your own computer, create a crop yourself, and then reupload the crop to Commons as a new file if you want. There's also (I think) a technical way to "crop" an image using syntax, but that's not really a crop per se since no new file is created; however, I'm not familiar with the specifics on how to do such a thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
red names and other wikimedia website
Hello,
I've come accross some username that appears red, (I've also found highlighted username as well). And I was wondering why.
Also, I'm not sure to understand the purpose of the meta-wiki and what it is used for.
Thank you Vincent-vst (talk) 05:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Vincent-vst: A red username just means the user hasn't created a user page. It's quite common. There is no requirement to create a user page. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Vincent-vst As to meta:Main Page that's an area that co-ordinates stuff common to all the language versions of Wikipedia. So, while each language sets its own standards for notability and style, there are some aspects that need to be in common, for example the logon systems, access to files in Wikimedia Commons and software bug fixes. Most editors here probably ignore these topics. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Any suggestions?
I've created the Draft:La Petatera and would appreciate any suggestions for the article (sources, formatting, etc.) and any comments regarding its quality. Mejorar wikiwi (talk) 05:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- It looks all right although the talk page has a discussion about copyright violations since the article was translated from the Spanish Wikipedia, and the article there is 90% copied verbatim from source websites. They may be lax in enforcing copyright rules in Spain, but here on the English Wikipedia we are strict about it. Please check the original sources and make sure the content isn't a copied translation. It also cannot be a close paraphrase, it must be completely rewritten in different words. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
My article sounds like an advertisement but isn't- help!
Hello teahouse. My article on HomeCo Daily Needs REIT has recently received feedback. I have established notability, however they've said it sounds like an advertisement. Could someone please give me pointers on where the advertising manor is and how to fix that section. Thank you! HoHo3143 (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, HoHo3143. You wrote in your draft,
HomeCo structures their centres to focus on four sub-sectors of stores. Those being. Daily needs, Leisure, lifestyle, and education, Homewares and electrical Services
. If you are not capable of seeing that this is overtly promotional language utterly unacceptable for inclusion in a neutral encyclopedia article, then perhaps you should ask your employer to reassign you to a less demanding assignment. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you for your very friendly and polite feedback Cullen328! To correct you, I am not employed by anyone, and have stated this previously. I simply came onto the teahouse to ask how I can improve my article, so thanks for the feedback! HoHo3143 (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- HoHo3143 This probably cannot be fixed. You removed the content that rested on the Shopping Centre News ref because Cullen328 criticized it as promotional. Everything that remains is descriptions of financial transactions. This can be informative as history, but none of it establishes notability. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your very friendly and polite feedback Cullen328! To correct you, I am not employed by anyone, and have stated this previously. I simply came onto the teahouse to ask how I can improve my article, so thanks for the feedback! HoHo3143 (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
wiki page Finland-NATO relations update
In the section entitled "Membership timeline", the Event box states 27/30 countries have ratified protocol. However, Greece ratified on September 15 and so that number should be edited to read 28/30. The accompanying map should also be edited. I cannot do these edits myself because my membership level is not high enough. Finland–NATO relations Rmm8 (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've corrected the number. In the future, you can request such changes on the talk page of the article. Madeline (part of me) 07:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- It got undone, apparently Greece has not yet deposited their ratification. Madeline (part of me) 07:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Writing Articles
I would like to write article about a person who is quite known . To follow the Wikipedia guidelines of writing properly what things I have to see more precisely. 1. How to figure out the person notability? 2. What news articles are acceptable and how to figure that out if good to go ? 3. How many new articles need to be attached as a reference? 4. Is YouTube or social media videos are acceptable as a reference? 5. How to upload pictures of that person on the Wikipedia? And how to get it approved from it ? Should we pick directly from online and copyright ©️ it ? please help me out and guide me properly with these questions to write articles. ThomasAnthony23 (talk) 07:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- ThomasAnthony23 As you use "we" I gather that you may be associated with the person you wish to write about; please read conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures.
- The definition of a notable person is written on this linked page.
- There is not a specific number of references that is required, but if you submit a draft via Articles for Creation(highly recommended until you routinely have articles accepted) most reviewers look for at least three. References must have significant coverage of the person and not be a brief mention, interview, or mere documentation of what the person does, the coverage must go in depth as to why the person is significant or important.
- YouTube videos are in general not acceptable as a source, unless the video is from a recognized news outlet on their verified channel. I again note that interviews with the person are not acceptable regardless of the medium.
- The easiest way to upload a photo is if you took the photo yourself with your own camera. Do NOT just take an image from somewhere on the internet, as likely the copyright is not compatible.
- I hope this helps you- please see Your First Article. I would also suggest using the new user tutorial. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's good to go into it with some experience and knowledge. Maybe also spend time editing existing articles, to get a feel for what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 08:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)