Review of draft
Would someone please look at this article my draft for Tommy Byars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4) and tell me if it is ready for submittion. It has been declined twice. I have worked on it with the help of others, but not sure if it is ready. HELP PLEASE! Cjmodica (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC) Cjmodica (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- This line in Early Life: "He was a resident of Beaumont, Texas, where he owned and operated the Harley Davidson and Suzuki Dealerships." implies that he owned two(?) dealerships in his teens. In the Tragedy section, you state that he was injured in an explosion in 1941 when he would be 13 years old. Specifications also need to be discussed in the "years to recover" as just three years later, he was refereeing for motorcycle races. Plus, lack on specification on some areas and generally looking like a Descriptive Narrative piece of text rather than an informative page in an encyclopaedia is probably why you got denied. Raymond Kestis (talk) 03:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Was it denied? I thought it was approved. The article on Byars' injury is fairly detailed. See references 39 & 40. Byars owned one business, the Harley Davidson Dealership from the time his father died in 1952 until he took on the Suzuki motorcycles, dropping the Harley Dealership in 1973. See reference #5. He continued to sell Suzukies until he and his wife, Joyce R. Byars, retired. See references 6,7 & 8. Cjmodica (talk) 04:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Would someone please look at this article ( Draft:Tommy Byars)and tell me if it is ready for submitting again. It was declined the first two times. I have worked on it with the help of others, but not sure if it is ready. HELP PLEASE! Cjmodica (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Cjmodica. Much of the prose is promotional and subjective. Your references are poorly presented and lacking crucial bibliographic information. For example, you mention an article in the San Francisco Chronicle but do no give the title or the author of that article. The same is true of your other newspaper sources. Cullen328 (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Would you please help me? I do not understand or know how to do this. Cjmodica (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica Unfortunately, writing an article takes a lot of work, after learning rules and technical jargon. Teahouse hosts will answer questions, but you'll need to do the work. Don't give up! David10244 (talk) 07:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Would you please help me? I do not understand or know how to do this. Cjmodica (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Tommy Byars - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, you presumably have access to the relevant newspaper clippings. I don't. Cullen328 (talk) 18:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks; I am trying, but just haven't figured it out yet. Maybe someday before my time is up, I will get it. Cjmodica (talk) 18:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have added the news article clippings. Could you please look and tell me if it is ready to submit now? I am excited and anxious to publish my first article. Cjmodica (talk) 16:09, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, you presumably have access to the relevant newspaper clippings. I don't. Cullen328 (talk) 18:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
can i just edit the grammar sometimes
title Toosnote (talk) 00:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Toosnote: you can fix grammar, yes. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 06:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have done that before.Cwater1 (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, make sure the tone follows the neutral point of view policy. Prototo258 (talk) 08:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Supportive Documentation Declined for Draft Tommy Byars
How can I support what I am writing in an article where I have attached the actual newspaper clipping if Wikipedia does not support the website genealogy.com where the actual news article is posted? ie. [1] Cjmodica (talk) 00:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica you reference the newspaper article – Byars Capture ‘Cycle Feature, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, June 6, 1955, page 12 Karenthewriter (talk) 01:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. I didn't use the complete referencing format, for that would move the citation down to the bottom of all of the Teahouse postings, and I wanted it to stay with this post. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Karenthewriter: You can put {{reftalk}} at the end of this section to make a references box that won't go to the bottom of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. Cjmodica (talk) 01:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. I didn't use the complete referencing format, for that would move the citation down to the bottom of all of the Teahouse postings, and I wanted it to stay with this post. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Byars Captures Cycle Feature". Fort Worth Star-Telegram Fort Worth, Texas. 6 Jun 1955.
- I am very sorry for confusing you, and will try to explain things clearer. You cannot use a genealogy cite for a reference. But since the newspaper article you attached has the proper citation information, use that instead. Newspaper article title, name of newspaper, date of newspaper, newspaper page number where article appears. (If the name of the author had been given, the author would have been included in the citation.) Karenthewriter (talk) 02:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for answering my question. I used templates for my sources and entered the date requested, including the url link. Should I not enter the link that takes you to the article? Would you please look at my draft for Tommy Byars <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4> and let me know if it is ready to submit for review? I would greatly appreciate it. Cjmodica (talk) 05:01, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Need Help for Draft of Tommy Byars
Would someone please tell me what is wrong with this draft? HELP Please! I don't know what else to do. I'm at my wits end. I am handicapped in drafting my first article. Is there someone that can please clean it up to where it can be submitted for review. I really don't want to give up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4 Cjmodica (talk) 02:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your draft was just waiting to be reviewed, it can take up to four months and patience is required, I have reviewed and accepted it. Theroadislong (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- OMG---Thank you. I am so confused and still learning. Should I quit adding new information that I find regarding Tommy Byars or may I continue to edit this article? Cjmodica (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: Welcome to the Teahouse, and congratulations on getting an article accepted into mainspace! So long as information is reliably sourced, there's no reason why you (or others) can't continue to contribute to it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I do have more information to add but thought I might be in violation for doing so. Cjmodica (talk) 05:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, a lot of highly experienced editors have spent a lot of time giving you advice and assistance in creating this article about a motorcycle racer and dealer. Can you please remind us all what your personal connection with the subject is? Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- My personal connection is my home town of Beaumont, Texas and Mr. Byars was well known in our area. I purchased a motorcycle from the Byars dealership in the early 70s. Beaumont and the surrounding counties have numerous well known and notable people and businessmen, such as Walter Humphrey (world renown lawyer), Janis Joplin, Babe Saharius, Mark Chestnut, Tracy Byrd, George Jones, Johnny Winter, Edgar Winter and more. I don't think it is a conflict of interest but if it is, I will give it up. I love reading and writing. That is my interest. Next, I plan to write about my ancestor, Judith Jefferson Farrar, the aunt of President Thomas Jefferson. Will that be a conflict of interest since I am kin to her? Cjmodica (talk) 06:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, that's probably a remote enough connection for the COI requirements not to apply - after all, go back far enough and we're all more or less related to everyone else. The essential problem is being able to write neutrally - about both the good and the bad that people have done, without trying to promote the one or cover up the other. You had a bit of an issue with this in your first article because you wrote it more or less from a fan's perspective. Try to take a more objective view of things and you should be okay. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:05, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- You mentioned that I have received a lot of help from highly experienced editors and I am extremely grateful for their help. I could not have written this article without their help. I am a perfectionist and I want everything to be correct. I thought Teahouse was a place to ask questions and learn. Are questions limited on Teahouse? Cjmodica (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, there's no question limit at the Teahouse, though it's best to keep all questions related to the same subject to the same thread - it's much less confusing that way (and if the thread gets archived, start a new one with a link to the old one). You're new and have been a bit scattershot when asking new questions, but as long as you listen and learn, it's all good. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. So--when I am asking new questions, do I ask the new question in the same thread or do I start a new question on Teahouse? Cjmodica (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, if you have an entirely new question, one that's not related to any other question you've got "open" on the "front page" of the Teahouse, then start a new section. But if it's another question about the same article (like Tommy Byars), or the same topic, just stick to one thread, so all the talk is in one place and everyone can easily review what's been said before. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. So--when I am asking new questions, do I ask the new question in the same thread or do I start a new question on Teahouse? Cjmodica (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, there's no question limit at the Teahouse, though it's best to keep all questions related to the same subject to the same thread - it's much less confusing that way (and if the thread gets archived, start a new one with a link to the old one). You're new and have been a bit scattershot when asking new questions, but as long as you listen and learn, it's all good. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- May I ask since I was referred to you because you are one of the better editors and because you have an interest in motorcycles, what is your interest in Mr. Byars? Did you know him? Cjmodica (talk) 14:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- My personal connection is my home town of Beaumont, Texas and Mr. Byars was well known in our area. I purchased a motorcycle from the Byars dealership in the early 70s. Beaumont and the surrounding counties have numerous well known and notable people and businessmen, such as Walter Humphrey (world renown lawyer), Janis Joplin, Babe Saharius, Mark Chestnut, Tracy Byrd, George Jones, Johnny Winter, Edgar Winter and more. I don't think it is a conflict of interest but if it is, I will give it up. I love reading and writing. That is my interest. Next, I plan to write about my ancestor, Judith Jefferson Farrar, the aunt of President Thomas Jefferson. Will that be a conflict of interest since I am kin to her? Cjmodica (talk) 06:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, a lot of highly experienced editors have spent a lot of time giving you advice and assistance in creating this article about a motorcycle racer and dealer. Can you please remind us all what your personal connection with the subject is? Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I do have more information to add but thought I might be in violation for doing so. Cjmodica (talk) 05:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: Welcome to the Teahouse, and congratulations on getting an article accepted into mainspace! So long as information is reliably sourced, there's no reason why you (or others) can't continue to contribute to it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- OMG---Thank you. I am so confused and still learning. Should I quit adding new information that I find regarding Tommy Byars or may I continue to edit this article? Cjmodica (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Modified the draft, declined again. Please help.
Hello, Can anyone mention what needs to be modified in the below draft, have modified couple of times based on the comments. Would appreciate if there are any comments given here to get the draft approved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sreedharan_Sobhana Thanks 2406:7400:73:314E:0:0:0:101 (talk) 11:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- If we pointed out that most of this remains unreferenced, would you do anything about this? (I ask because various people have already pointed this out, yet you've studiously ignored them.) If no, you wouldn't, then I'd urge you to give up with this draft: it has already used (and it seems wasted) more than enough of various people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 11:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete everything about fashion and her awards in fashion. If she is notable for anything, it is her religious activities. Delete all the minor awards. Delete all the fashion images. Delete most of the External links. Delete all the invalid references. Make sure that everything that remains is referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Just trying to understand, why should fashion related info be deleted? She has got World Record-London in Fashion and the valid link for the same is given in reference. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am not ignoring anything here. How can I give reference while many are in hardcopy or certificates or printed in newspapers??? I have mentioned this as well previously. I am new here, not an expert maybe like you. If this draft was of no value, I wouldn't have spent so much time on this trying to understand the procedure to follow. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary - I am not ignoring anything here. How can I give reference while many are in hardcopy or certificates or printed in newspapers??? I have mentioned this as well previously. I am new here, not an expert maybe like you. If this draft was of no value, I wouldn't have spent so much time on this trying to understand the procedure to follow. If you could also let me know how can I refer to old comments? I am not aware how to check that, I cannot find the old one and hence have to post multiple times! Let me know if there is a way. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sources don't need to be online, but they need to be properly cited. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- IP editor, your previous question has been archived because there were no more responses for a few days - it is here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete everything about fashion and her awards in fashion. If she is notable for anything, it is her religious activities. Delete all the minor awards. Delete all the fashion images. Delete most of the External links. Delete all the invalid references. Make sure that everything that remains is referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Stub Article
Could someone please tell me what is a Stub article for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Byars? Cjmodica (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: That article isn't a stub. A stub is typically a very short article, maybe just one or two sentences that describe a subject, makes some assertion of notability, and cites one or more sources. Tommy Byars isn't a stub, it's rather well fleshed out. See my article Sayyid Baraka, I wrote it years ago, and it's still a stub, but it's a notable topic that belongs in main article space. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica, the stairway for articles is, starting at the bottom: stub, start, C, B, Good Article ("GA"), A, and Featured Article ("FA"). In practice, not so many people seem to have much interest in the levels/distinctions below GA (though it may be considered somewhat ill-mannered to rate one's own creation highly or to bump up its grade). Promotion to GA or (especially) FA requires a fixed and sometimes exhausting procedure; A is little used. -- Hoary (talk) 00:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. It's a lot to learn. Cjmodica (talk) 01:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a lot to learn, if you decide to learn it. But it's quite OK to know nothing about it. Just improve articles. If somebody who's interested in this ranking business wants to call your product "C" or "B", let them. If/when you think your article is up to the standards of what are labelled "Good Articles", investigate WP:GA. If/when you're really ambitious, investigate WP:FA. The rest is noise. ¶ Ranking below GA -- that is, from "stub" to "B" -- was of much more importance when English-language Wikipedia was young, and articles on distinctly nontrivial subjects such as atom, Earth, stratosphere, prime number and parabola were mostly feeble, but at unpredictable levels of feebleness. -- Hoary (talk) 03:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: I would say most of the useful articles on Wikipedia are C-class. These are articles that provide a reasonably complete amount of information on a topic along with reliable sources, but the treatment of the topic may still be missing some key things. See Wikipedia:Content assessment for an explanation of the different grades. I'd say yours is beyond start-class, probably C-class, or even between C and B. The difficulty here is that the subject of your article pre-dates the internet, making information and sources harder to find. I'm quite happy to read (and write) C class articles. They generally have similar content as a print encyclopedia would have. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you most graciously! I am trying to find more information and source for this article. Cjmodica (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica Experienced editors, like Hoary above, often suggest that a good way to learn the ins and outs of WP is by reading existing articles (there's a "random article" link), fixing any spelling or grammatical errors that you see, adding any new (relevant, sourced) info where you see a need, learning how to flag bad articles (such as, if they are completely unsourced), etc. After a few months of this, you'll be more comfortable with the harder task of creating a new article. Improving some of our 6 million existing articles is probably more valuable than creating new ones. It sounds like you are on your way to becoming a good editor. It takes time; keep it up. The Tommy Byars article looks to be getting better. David10244 (talk) 04:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the encouragement. I have seen minor errors in some articles, such as grammar or punctuation, but I didn't feel confident enough to edit someone else's work. I will practice on that now that I have done my first article. Cjmodica (talk) 05:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: It is impossible here to "edit someone else's work" because nobody owns any content here. We even have a policy on that: Wikipedia:Ownership of content. You wrote most of the Tommy Byars article, others contributed, but you don't have any sort of proprietary claim to any of the content. Some articles are written primarily by one person, some are started as stubs and later expanded significantly by others, some are collaborations between multiple editors from the start. In a few years, you might not recognize the Tommy Byars article if it gets improved significantly by others. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I do hope it improves over the years and I will be watching it. I do realize that it is NOT my article. I read that somewhere in the policies; however, I am proud to have been the first to publish it. Thank you again for all that you have helped me with. I am sincerely appreciative and I think I have contributed all that I can for the article on Tommy Byars. I do think I am ready to advance, but still don't kwow how to get around in Wikipedia, nor have I learned how to add my signature. That's next. LOL Cjmodica (talk) 22:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, you can add your signature manually by typing four tildes. This squiggly thing is a tilde: ~
- The reply tool adds a signature automatically. When editing a page in source editing mode, you can press the little button above the editing window that looks like a cursive lower case L, and that will insert the tildes wherever your cursor is. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Like this? Cjmodica (talk) 15:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- I do hope it improves over the years and I will be watching it. I do realize that it is NOT my article. I read that somewhere in the policies; however, I am proud to have been the first to publish it. Thank you again for all that you have helped me with. I am sincerely appreciative and I think I have contributed all that I can for the article on Tommy Byars. I do think I am ready to advance, but still don't kwow how to get around in Wikipedia, nor have I learned how to add my signature. That's next. LOL Cjmodica (talk) 22:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: It is impossible here to "edit someone else's work" because nobody owns any content here. We even have a policy on that: Wikipedia:Ownership of content. You wrote most of the Tommy Byars article, others contributed, but you don't have any sort of proprietary claim to any of the content. Some articles are written primarily by one person, some are started as stubs and later expanded significantly by others, some are collaborations between multiple editors from the start. In a few years, you might not recognize the Tommy Byars article if it gets improved significantly by others. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the encouragement. I have seen minor errors in some articles, such as grammar or punctuation, but I didn't feel confident enough to edit someone else's work. I will practice on that now that I have done my first article. Cjmodica (talk) 05:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica Experienced editors, like Hoary above, often suggest that a good way to learn the ins and outs of WP is by reading existing articles (there's a "random article" link), fixing any spelling or grammatical errors that you see, adding any new (relevant, sourced) info where you see a need, learning how to flag bad articles (such as, if they are completely unsourced), etc. After a few months of this, you'll be more comfortable with the harder task of creating a new article. Improving some of our 6 million existing articles is probably more valuable than creating new ones. It sounds like you are on your way to becoming a good editor. It takes time; keep it up. The Tommy Byars article looks to be getting better. David10244 (talk) 04:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you most graciously! I am trying to find more information and source for this article. Cjmodica (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: I would say most of the useful articles on Wikipedia are C-class. These are articles that provide a reasonably complete amount of information on a topic along with reliable sources, but the treatment of the topic may still be missing some key things. See Wikipedia:Content assessment for an explanation of the different grades. I'd say yours is beyond start-class, probably C-class, or even between C and B. The difficulty here is that the subject of your article pre-dates the internet, making information and sources harder to find. I'm quite happy to read (and write) C class articles. They generally have similar content as a print encyclopedia would have. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a lot to learn, if you decide to learn it. But it's quite OK to know nothing about it. Just improve articles. If somebody who's interested in this ranking business wants to call your product "C" or "B", let them. If/when you think your article is up to the standards of what are labelled "Good Articles", investigate WP:GA. If/when you're really ambitious, investigate WP:FA. The rest is noise. ¶ Ranking below GA -- that is, from "stub" to "B" -- was of much more importance when English-language Wikipedia was young, and articles on distinctly nontrivial subjects such as atom, Earth, stratosphere, prime number and parabola were mostly feeble, but at unpredictable levels of feebleness. -- Hoary (talk) 03:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. It's a lot to learn. Cjmodica (talk) 01:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
"Resubmit" or try to speak with volunteer editor first?
Good evening - my real-life friend Piratecakes had a proposed new article rejected--Draft:Keanin Loomis. I have made a number of edits to try and respond to the comments received (need more references, and in response to a "WP:COI" tag I removed some language that felt a bit more promotional to me on a second reading). For next steps in my workflow, should I speak to the volunteer editor who provided the comment, or does it make sense to resubmit instead? (I guess another option is to try to ask some questions here.) Any advice appreciated, thank you...Barrieskyline1 Barrieskyline1 (talk) 03:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I suggest you talk to a volunteer instead of resubmitting. Note that the article needs to meet the "Notability" guideline, meaning the article needs at least two citations to reliable sources, that are independent (Not affiliated) with the subject of an article. My advice is that you read the following blue-linked terms to learn a little more, or read Help:Your first article on how to start out. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask here. ‡ Night Watch ω (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Barrieskyline1, Piratecakes - NOT ready to be resubmitted. A nuance - Declined, not Rejected. The Endorsement section should be deleted. Many of the refs either do not mention Loomis at all, or just in passing. All refs should be in a proper ref format, not just URLs. Last, but most important it is unlikely that he qualifies as notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word until he succeeds in the election for mayor. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Piratecakes @David notMD @Maproom @The Night Watch
- I can't thank you 3 enough for the pointers. I read the initial decline very differently than you. I have spent some time tonight regenerating references and looking for additional online sources. I've deleted some of the initial claims/facts because the quality of online source was not strong (e.g., looking for published articles, journalism, and through his Twitter). Overall, I think it is improved. My question is...what do you think? Link for convenience--Draft:Keanin Loomis Barrieskyline1 (talk) 08:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Barrieskyline1, Piratecakes - NOT ready to be resubmitted. A nuance - Declined, not Rejected. The Endorsement section should be deleted. Many of the refs either do not mention Loomis at all, or just in passing. All refs should be in a proper ref format, not just URLs. Last, but most important it is unlikely that he qualifies as notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word until he succeeds in the election for mayor. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Barrieskyline1, Draft:Keanin Loomis does not "need more references", and the decline notice does not say that. It needs better references. Maproom (talk) 12:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not ready in my opinion. The presence of the Endorsements section is promotional, and thus grounds for Decline if not Rejection or even Speedy deletion. Many of the refs in the Chamber of Commerce section are just name-mentions of Loomis. If he is elected mayor of Hamilton later this month, revise and resubmit. If not, don't bother. David notMD (talk) 09:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Abuse by Admins.
Why do foreign Admins usually abuse and frustrate our efforts? Its as if Admins from other parts of the world don't value or appreciate the context in which we in Africa write our articles. You labour with an article,do all you can and instead of someone improving or adivising, they just simply, move, delete or tag your article without any remorse. Most of these Wiki Admins especially from Europe and America are simply inserferable!! Stop abusing our efforts, take time to understand atleast. Most of the admins just rush to trash our efforts and when we complain, the quick response is downplaying our concerns by labeling us biased and tell us we shouldn't mind about what they do! No, you people change your ways!!! Alvinategyeka (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! My name is Thedefender35 I see you have some issues with the way admins run this site. please see this for help on why they do what they do. If you have anymore issues please visit this page! Tdshe/her 17:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as an admin from North America, I'm curious about specifics. I'll take some blame for being insufferable (which my daughter occasionally uses to describe me). How can we help today? BusterD (talk) 17:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Alvinategyeka. I am an administrator and I consider it my responsibility to enforce policies, guidelines and behavioral standards fairly and impartially. I see on your talk page that you have successfully written many articles and I thank you for your contributions. If you have a specific incident to discuss, I will be happy to look into it. Cullen328 (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- And if I may correct Thedefender35, admins don't "run this site". The community does, and admins have been elected by the community to serve as janitors who clean up messes and try to keep things stable. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually there is nothing big. These are feelings ive just been having, feeling, the perspective Admins see things vary. Thats why i think that in subsequent Wikimedia events, issues like increasing the number of Admins from across continents would be better because they may have the on ground feel.
- Sorry for the outbursts. Alvinategyeka (talk) 10:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Alvinategyeka. I am an administrator and I consider it my responsibility to enforce policies, guidelines and behavioral standards fairly and impartially. I see on your talk page that you have successfully written many articles and I thank you for your contributions. If you have a specific incident to discuss, I will be happy to look into it. Cullen328 (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as an admin from North America, I'm curious about specifics. I'll take some blame for being insufferable (which my daughter occasionally uses to describe me). How can we help today? BusterD (talk) 17:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@BusterD and Cullen328: The OP appears to be referring to this exchange on his talk page: User talk:Alvinategyeka#Joram Model Management moved to draftspace, objecting to the fact that most of his articles seem to have been moved to draft space. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, Alvinategyeka has a high success rate of getting articles through AfC, and so plausible to skip AfC and create articles in mainspace. Some of these have been flipped to draft. Others have been Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 03:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- In the end, Alvinategyeka, the answer is clear. Be sure that every article you add to the encyclopedia complies with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, Alvinategyeka has a high success rate of getting articles through AfC, and so plausible to skip AfC and create articles in mainspace. Some of these have been flipped to draft. Others have been Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 03:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
hmm
does anybody here know anything whatsoever about Dorothy Ray Sircy? Somecoolguy12345 (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Somecoolguy12345, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question along those lines?
- Asparagusus (interaction) 20:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Google may be helpful.--97.115.120.224 (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: User blocked as NOTHERE by Materialscientist. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 18:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Draft article on Peter Cameron
Hello everybody, I recently submitted an article on Peter Cameron that has been declined 4 times, notwithstanding I tried to follow the suggestions in the comments, improving the draft and citing secondary sources (among which articles from the NYT and the LA Times).
We're talking about a well known author, who published short stories in a prominent magazine and novels translated into various languages, and who currently is present in wikis in other languages.
One of the reasons for the rejection seems to be that I might have a conflict if interest, but I clarified to one of the reviewers that I don't have any relation of whasoever kind with the author, nor with the sources I cited.
I should be really grateful if anyone would explain in clear terms why the article is judged not worthy of publication. Thanks for your help -- Lucretius (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lucretius, welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your sourcing, and find that the first 4 refs are self-written bios in connected, commercial sources. There is also a link to his latest New Yorker story. And 2 reviews of his work in prominent newspapers. None of these demonstrate his notability, as they are either connected or not even about Mr. Cameron. It may be sinply too soon for the type of coverage of Cameron Wikipedia requires: independent, in-depth, from reliable, published sources.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lucretius: It is actually possible for a book to be notable while the author remains obscure. I had a similar problem writing about an author who had a book on two different bestseller lists. The reviewer declined it because of the sourcing; too many sources were associated with the author (his website, interviews) and the secondary sources weren't about him, they were about the books. The reviewer suggested I re-cast the article to be about the books rather than the person. After about a year, I ended up with a better article: Gameknight999, which was approved and published. I see one of Cameron's books already has an article. Perhaps try writing about another book that might be more notable than the author? ~Anachronist (talk) 22:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Lucretius, and welcome to the Teahouse! First, let's go through the sources. The short description from the Saratoga Book Festival looks to be information garnered from the subject, AKA a WP:POV source. (I don't know enough Italian to trust myself to translate the second source.)) Per WP:GOODREADS, Goodreads is not a reliable source to be used in Wikipedia articles. The fourth source is from an organization in which Cameron is/was a member, and so is slightly self-published (which usually makes a source unreliable). The New Yorker is reliable, but only covers the sentence that it's cited in and nothing else; it doesn't give WP:SIGCOV of the subject and therefore does not justify the article. Per WP:LATIMES, the Los Angeles Times is a reliable source, but it is mostly a review of one of Cameron's books and again does not give WP:SIGCOV (it would be instead good in an article for that book itself). I cannot access The New York Times due to the paywall, but it is listed as a reliable source. However, from what I could see, it again seems to be a review of one of Cameron's books and doesn't show WP:SIGCOV. None of these sources fully justify this article.
- Now, onto the article itself. The entire last paragraph of the lede sounds very WP:POV. That is probably what made the most recent reviewer say that you seem to have a WP:COI. Even if you aren't personally related to Cameron, you seem to be a passionate fan of his based on that paragraph.
- (Sorry this is a bit long-winded; I just had a lot to say.) Asparagusus (interaction) 23:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I found some more sources, and pulled out some of the poor sources. Turns out he's had three books adapted as films. Most of the sources are about the books and adapted films, but the combined body of work should now be enough to get this accepted. One of the NY Times reviewers even wrote
I grew up reading Peter Cameron; he made me want to write.
The influences section is definitely POV-ey, but someone else can synthesize the themes from the various reviews. It's not disqualifying to be a fan, but everything needs to be independently sourced. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I found some more sources, and pulled out some of the poor sources. Turns out he's had three books adapted as films. Most of the sources are about the books and adapted films, but the combined body of work should now be enough to get this accepted. One of the NY Times reviewers even wrote
Thanks everybody for the comments, and thanks to TimTempleton for the help in improving sourcing! I agree that some of the sources I used are not independent and/or not reliable, and have to be discarded. To me the key aspect is that the author, as also Tim noted, has so far produced an ensemble of written works (some of which adapted into films) that to my eyes justifies an article in Wikipedia. Yes, I red Cameron's novels, and I can consider myself one of his fans. I tried to keep my personal opinions out of the article, but if the last paragraph sounds WP:POV, as Asparagusus says, it's fine with me to review it and make it more neutral. Please let me know if any of you has any other advice or recommendation. Thanks -- Lucretius (talk) 08:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding company details.
Hello, I want to add my company details in manufacturing list. Can you help me out please? Dhanwant.patel (talk) 03:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Do in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-subject news/scholarly sources written by identifiable authors and subjected to rigourous fact-checking exist? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Probably not. Lists in Wikipedia are not usually lists of objects in the world (people, places, companies etc): they are lists of Wikipedia articles. If there is a Wikipedia article about your company, then it could be added to a list. There can be an article about the ccompany only if the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which basically say that there is enough information published entirely independently of the company to be the basis for an article about the company. Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 05:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- It is likely there is no list to add this company to. However, if there is an article listing manufacturers of the sort that the company is a member of then it could be added, whether or not the company itself is notable, if the list article isn't exclusively for notable companies. Guidance at WP:LISTCOMPANY Gab4gab (talk) 10:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
why iam not able to move my page to wikepedia?
I need to add my page to wikepedia Globifydigital (talk) 05:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Globifydigital. Is the page your referring to Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple? You created that directly in the article namespace so technically it is an "article"; however, I have a feeling that it won't be one for long and may end up being draftied or possibly even nominated for deletion. Generally, creating new articles can be quite hard since there's lots of policies and guidelines to meet that new users aren't really familiar with. It probably would've been better for you to submit this to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review since drafts upgraded to articles that way tend to have most of their serious problems sorted out before entering the article namespace and thus are less likely going to end up nominated for deletion. Would you like someone to move this back to the draft namespace so that you can continue working on it? Finally, I'm just curious about your username. Is it by chance the name of a company or some other type of organization? --Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Globifydigital, @Marchjuly That article has no inline citations. David10244 (talk) 07:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David10244: Yes, the "article" was still in need of lots of work (properly formatted inline citations being one of those things), but not having inline citations or having poorly formatted citations is not usually a reason for deletion or even draftification. Such things can usually be fixed without draftifying anything per WP:PRESERVE. The bigger problem was that it's not clear how the subject meets WP:GNG and that's something that can be really hard to WP:OVERCOME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly Thanks for that info; I am still fairly new. I see the "search for sources" note at the "preserve" link you provided. It seemed to me that the reliably sourced info in the article needed to demonstrate notability, and if there are no inline references, then the subject hasn't been shown to be notable... but that link helped. Thanks again for the tips. David10244 (talk) 04:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Globifydigital: A Wikipedia administrator named Cordless Larry has moved the article to the draft namespace and it can now be found at Draft:Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple. Since Cordless Larry didn't delete the content, they obviously feel there's some potential for it to someday become a viable Wikipedia article. I suggest you take a look at WP:YFA and HELP:REFBEGIN for some general tips on how to write and format a proper Wikipedia article and work on improving the draft. I don't suggest trying to recreate the article in article namespace again yourself, but instead submit the draft to Wikipedia's Article for Creation for review when you think its ready. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly The renamed user "Globify" has submitted the draft with (as far as I can tell) no improvements. Maybe they didn't understand how they were being asked to proceed. David10244 (talk) 04:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David10244: Yes, the "article" was still in need of lots of work (properly formatted inline citations being one of those things), but not having inline citations or having poorly formatted citations is not usually a reason for deletion or even draftification. Such things can usually be fixed without draftifying anything per WP:PRESERVE. The bigger problem was that it's not clear how the subject meets WP:GNG and that's something that can be really hard to WP:OVERCOME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Per your Talk page, you are blocked until you either change your User name or discontinue using Globifydigital and start a new account. Either way, you could then continue to edit the draft. David notMD (talk) 09:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How to post a vote to a wide audience
Hello- myself and many others are having a debate about a certain issue that keeps going back and forth. Since this issue only seems to be known by a small few within the realm I currently edit in, is there a way to post a vote to a wide-sweeping audience to get as many opinions as possible? A current conversation is taking place on a singular talk page, but I was wondering if there was a larger medium to cast a wider net of opinion. Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 06:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, The ganymedian, whether it's (A) yourself and "many others", or (B) "a small few"; but either way, you could post a question to the talk page of one relevant WikiProject (see for example Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#collage_vote). The question there is "we are doing a vote on mean your article collages [line break] should we have collages on main year articles", whose first half I find obscure. Careful phrasing of the question is worth the time and trouble. And Wikipedia:Requests for comment could be what you're after. -- Hoary (talk) 07:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @The ganymedian, have you looked at WP:APPNOTE? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Why my article got declined?
I added all necessary links to my article , but it got declined. Please help me how can I get it accepted. My article link. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @DevanshSingh01 Did you take the second picture yourself? David10244 (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- This article is about my father. He is a very well known Actor. You can google him as well please help me out I want this to get accepted. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please help me out. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- DevanshSingh01, if he's very well known, then I imagine that reliable sources will have published web pages about him. (Not pages that merely mention him. Not interviews.) You can google for these. Please do so, and show us the best three among these pages. -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Edit-a-thon page
Hello
We (a group from Wikimédia France) will host a big edit-a-thon tomorrow (350 people... wish us good luck). All new people with 11 Wikipedians with them on the ground. I wanted to give you a first hand warning that we will probably have 160+ accounts created tomorrow, with brand new editors. We will try our best to help them, but any help welcome. They will be lead on Wikipedia itself, Wikisource, Wikiquote or Comons.
My "newbie" question is... What are the best practices at the moment to create a edit-a-thon page (title and space) ?
Thanks Anthere (talk) 09:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Anthere I assume you have checked WP:EDITATHON? And good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea. I'll share that link indeed. Anthere (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Anthere: Bon courage! One thing that trips up many new editors, and that seems to be particularly common when groups of new editors are encouraged to edit Wikipedia, is that they don't understand how essential it is to check that sources actually verify the claims in an article. The good-faith new editor might find a "citation needed" tag, Google for the sentence where the tag is placed and find a Wikipedia mirror, which is then added as a source creating a circular reference. Alternatively, they search Google Books for the article title and find a publication that seems to be relevant, and then they add that as a source without actually having access to it, so they don't know if it is relevant. (I remember one instance from a few years ago, when a new editor in all good faith added a reference in an article about cooking vegetables in a pressure cooker. The reference was an academic paper with a title containing the expression "pressure cooker" in its metaphorical sense "high-stress environment", and it talked about group behaviour in a small group – no connection to actual cooking.) So, if nothing else, please do tell them that they have to make sure that any source they add is actually relevant to the content, and is not a Wikipedia mirror site. --bonadea contributions talk 14:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea. I'll share that link indeed. Anthere (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How do I add NASA template to sources image?
I don't know what's the template name. Can you please help me? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Typhoon_Maymay_2022.png Noru111344 (talk) 10:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "NASA template" and "Sources image"? Prototo258 (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Do you mean an infobox? Prototo258 (talk) 11:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Noru111344: commons:template:PD-USGov-NASA? also, you should ask questions about wikimedia commons on commons:commons:help desk. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 12:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- licensing. Noru111344 (talk) 12:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Noru111344: that is the licensing template. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- licensing. Noru111344 (talk) 12:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
@Prototo258 The Licensing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noru111344 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Arieh Merzer - create wiki page
Hi, I have been doing some research on my great grandfather, a Polish/Israeli artist who operated in warsaw and paris before ww2 and fled the holocaust to israel during the war. I believe that his story is deserving of an article in this wonderful website so that other's may be able to find his art and his story. Is there anyone i can talk to about creating such a page? Or would I need to create a page myself? 62.232.108.138 (talk) 10:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could ask someone to do it at Requested Articles, but the backlog there is severe in the extreme. You are able to use Articles for Creation yourself to create and submit a draft. Be advised that creating a new article is probably the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia for a new or inexperienced user, so you would want to read Your First Article to start. If you wanted to create an account, you could use the new user tutorial as well. (it's not required that you have an account) I think great-grandfather is possibly a sufficiently distant relation to not be a conflict of interest, especially if you are certain you could write about him objectively and with a neutral point of view, but you may wish to review the conflict of interest policy anyway. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- IP editor. There is a recent essay called WP:BACKWARD (see that link) which gives good advice. New drafts do not have to be full biographies, they only have to demonstrate that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's specific sense, backed up by reliable sources, which you may already have. About WP:THREE decent ones will be fine. After the draft is accepted, assuming it is, others interested in him may chip in to add to the biography, especially if you create a WP:DYK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
adding a person to Wikipedia
how can we add a person to Wikipedia 69.140.199.93 (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome. That depends on who "we" is; do you represent or know the person involved? Certain policies would apply to you in that case, WP:COI and WP:PAID. Wikipedia is not a mere database where existence warrants a mention, it is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, called "notability". This person would need to meet the definition of a notable person, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia, and it's good to get some experience editing existing articles first. Please read Your First Article. If you still want to attempt to do this now, please visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. You will need to first gather at least three independent reliable sources with sigificant coverage to summarize. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
What happens if I spend a long time on an edit?
If I start making an edit and have the edit window open for a long time (while looking for sources/formatting templates/irl distractions, etc.), and then someone else publishes an edit to the same page before I finish mine, what happens when I publish my edit? I don't want to accidentally mess up someone else's work, but I'd also rather not make a bunch of short edits when there's more to work on. Axolotlanarchy (talk) 13:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, in this case the software will try to resolve the conflict by looking at which parts you have edited. If you have not edited in the same paragraph, then the conflict should be able to resolve automatically. However, if the conflicts could not be resolved, you will be prompted to fix it yourself (by presenting your version and the other person's version) before publishing. See Help:Edit conflict. 0xDeadbeef→∞ 13:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- You can put
{{Template:In use}}
at the top of the article before you start work, but it's usually simpler to make lots of small edits and publish them one at a time, or work on one section at a time offline or in your sandbox. Shantavira|feed me 15:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)- Hello, Axolotlanarchy. When I am working on a complex edit, like writing a properly referenced paragraph or two, I do the work in one of my sandbox pages, saving frequently as I go. When everything looks right, I copy the wikicode and paste it into the correct part of the article. That keeps edit conflicts to a minimum. Cullen328 (talk) 18:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Curious about ideologies in the first sentence of articles.
Good Morning, I am curious about the process or rules that come with putting a political ideology in the first sentence of a Wikipedia article. I notice that a lot of Republican candidates have "far-right" in the first sentence of this article. Doing a quote search for "is an American far-right" in the wikipedia search bar, I'm seeing that this trend mostly applies to candidates in the 2022 elections, such as Darren Bailey, John Gibbs (government official), Dan Cox, and Doug Mastriano. I'm also seeing that this same sentence starter applies to Alex Jones, the American Nazi Party, and other people or groups that could actually hold this classification. Doing a quote search for "is an American far-left" gives you only one result for a person, Cathlyn Platt Wilkerson. I'm wondering what the Wikipedia rules are regarding this phenomenon, and why this trend seems to only pop up among candidates for office this cycle. I'm sure none of these people self-identify as "far-right", and putting these candidates on the same level as Alex Jones or Nazis seems harmful to our already polarized political environment and how people feel about using Wikipedia for political information. What are the rules on this sort of thing, and could this be changed? Thank you so much for your help. Putnam89 (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Visit our policies on WP:CITE and WP:RELIABLE sources. Heiro 13:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Putnam89 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. If independent reliable sources describe a person as "far right", then we do, too. If they describe a person as "far left", then we would, too. This shouldn't be new to this US election cycle(note that Wikipedia is global, not just American)- if it seems that way, then it's because the Republicans are running candidates that are indeed further to the right. If certain Republican office seekers do not want to be described as far right, then they need to adopt policies and views to cause independent sources to not describe them that way. If you are aware of certain politicians on the other side of the aisle who are described as far left, please offer your sources on the appropriate article talk page. You are free to discuss Wikipedia policies at the Village Pump or the talk page of the relevant policy.
- Also be aware that there are special rules regarding edits about post-1992 American politics, I will notify you of these in a moment. 331dot (talk) 13:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Can someone help with our link rot warning?
I have addressed a link rot citation warning on a page for which I have a COI. Can someone please review the suggested updates on the Talk page and help make those changes and remove the warning? Page in question is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Development_Center Commandpitch (talk) 14:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Commandpitch. That looks like a lot of work, which I'm not going to undertake, certainly not right now. In general, you'll get better response to such requests if you 1) break them down into smaller pieces of work, and 2) Mark them with the {{request edit}} tag - that will put them on a list of edits awaiting attention. See WP:Edit request for more details. ColinFine (talk) 15:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Helpful, thank you! Commandpitch (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Review of Draft - Space Perspective
Hi there! I have been working very hard on this page and it has been declined: Draft:Space Perspective. I understand that the language may be promotional and am happy to change - if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve it I would be very appreciative. Both CEO's have wikipedia pages, are referenced on other notable wikipedia pages, as well as Space Perspective being mentioned on other pages...
However, part of the message on why it was declined is that my references need to be notable. This area I am very lost on and have no idea what is wrong with my references specifically - I focused on on sourcing notable references, filling out their info, from a variety of independent sources, but still seem to not be hitting the mark - could someone help guide me on what is wrong with my references so I can correct?
Many thanks in advance! Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Juniperjetcat, welcome to the Teahouse. As an example of promotional language, just at a glance through the article I see
Space Perspective is propelling ambitious, ground-breaking work in both the research and creative sectors and promoting dialogue and learning between the two.
, not to mention the entire section labeled "Mission". This sort of stuff should certainly be rewritten. As for references, they do not need to be notable - they need to be reliable. It is the subject of the article whose notability needs to be proven. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you - this is helpful and I really do appreciate your guidance. Will keep editing content with this in mind. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- External links in the body of the article should also be removed, and most of the unsourced content - the majority of the article - could probably stand to be removed as well. There do appear to be some good references (by our standards) at the bottom - what do they say? Write the article based on those, not what the company says about itself. (Note that the NY Post and Daily Mail are probably unusable, and articles by Forbes "contributors" are usually also not usable). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! This makes sense to me. One questions: why would the NY Post and Forbes articles be unusable? Is it because they are contributing authors or is it the title of the article, or the entire article? Again, many thanks for your help. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Juniperjetcat, see WP:FORBESCON, WP:NYPOST and WP:DAILYMAIL for the explanations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much - very helpful! Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Juniperjetcat, see WP:FORBESCON, WP:NYPOST and WP:DAILYMAIL for the explanations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! This makes sense to me. One questions: why would the NY Post and Forbes articles be unusable? Is it because they are contributing authors or is it the title of the article, or the entire article? Again, many thanks for your help. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How to cite a product catalog?
I've been trying to sort out information about guitar models on Wikidata and Wikipedia, and found some archived Ibanez product catalogs saved on the Internet Archive/Ibanez's website.
In the 1999 US product catalog I found information on the Ibanez PGM30 that can be used as a source for information in the article that is currently not cited.
How should I cite a product catalog like this template-wise? Would a catalog fall under Template:Cite magazine? Or would it be something else? Lizzyd710 (talk) 17:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Lizzy. I'm not convinced that information cited only to a product catalogue belongs in a Wikipedia article. If an independent source talks about a model, then you could use a catalogue for details about the model (see WP:VENDOR), but the general principle is that if something has not been covered by independent sources, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. I'm not sure what template would fit best: the difference between the templates is normally in what arguments they accept or require. Presumably there's no author or title here - but the important data would be publisher and date. ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia offer services
Hello all and thank you in advance for any help. I am trying to get a page published that had previously been declined before I became involved. I have spent a lot of time reviewing guidelines to try and make it meet all Wikipedia guidelines. Would anyone please take a moment and offer suggestions. It is a relatively short page. Draft:FSD Pharma Also, I heard before that Wikipedia offers services to help ensure a page is proper, meeting all guidelines and requirements. Is this correct? If so, could someone provide me guidance as to where to purchase these services? We don't have any issue spending a few dollars to work directly with Wikipedia. Thanks again! Mav5x5 (talk) 17:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Mav5x5, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm afraid you might have misunderstood; there is no such service provided by Wikipedia, and anyone claiming to offer such services more likely than not trying to scam you. Wikipedia is a 100% volunteer organization; we have no paid services of any kind, and we editors do not get paid or compensated for our contributions. Speaking of which, if you're being paid to edit Wikipedia by your own employer, you will need to disclose that officially, if you haven't already. There are instructions at WP:PAID. Please bear in mind that editing for pay is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia--though not forbidden outright, as long as you make the proper disclosures--and you will need to proceed very carefully. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Writ Keeper! I figured it was some sort of scammy stuff. I was just live chatting with GenNotability and he/she was super nice about providing some info. I had previously read/chatted about proper disclosures. I am working with the company on communications and have disclosed that FSD Pharma created the page (Draft:FSD Pharma). I appreciate any advice as I am definitely trying to do things correctly and by the book. Love Wikipedia and would even like to do some volunteer editing myself to help out around here. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- The standard place to make such a disclosure is on your user page (User:Mav5x5). Just copy/paste the following:
{{paid|user=Mav5x5|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}
- Insert employer name and client name as applicable where it says InsertName.
- There is also a template that can be used on the talk page of the draft, {{Connected contributor (paid)}} - this template can easily be inserted for you by someone else if the parameters are confusing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I created the Mav5x5 page as instructed and received a message about proper disclosure. I will admit that I am confused about how and where to insert the template. Again, any help is appreciated. Hopefully I can pass it on to others going forward. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, you need to remove the nowiki tags - these things: <nowiki></nowiki>. The visual editor may have inserted them automatically. The template won't display correctly with them in place. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ahh, I see that now. Done. It shows up cleanly with that edit. Now, are there things that I need to put on the draft page to make sure all is following Wikipedia disclosure guidance in addition to the "Disclosure" section? Draft:FSD Pharma Thank you! Mav5x5 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, I put the template on the talk page for you, it's the yellow box at the top of Draft talk:FSD Pharma. You can adjust if anything is incorrect. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks. I am starting to understand this process now. Good info. So everything look compliant now? You all are the best. Glad GenNotability directed me here. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, you seem to be all good on the paid editing front. Since there's been quite a bit of previously undisclosed paid editing, the little box at the top which says "may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments" will probably stay until a reviewer takes a good look and decides the draft is okay.
- I haven't given your draft or its sources an in-depth look - I'm a bit limited in what I can do (besides not being terribly experienced) - so hopefully someone else will bring up any issues on that front. I did remove the disclosure section from the bottom (not necessary, that's what the templates are for) and I created a references section. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Holy cow thanks a ton. Okay on the little box, I think a bunch of that stuff was done before I came around. I can't tell you how much your help is appreciated. I'll pay it forward for sure when possible. Mav5x5 (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Welp, Theroadislong, decline the draft again. The comment is the "undisclosed compensation is rife here." Trying to do it correctly and really don't think the article is remotely promotional. Not sure what to do at this point. Mav5x5 (talk) 19:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, the reason for their decline is in the pink box at the top:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies).
Their additional comment was simply an additional comment. The sources are the problem. - Honestly, it doesn't seem like the company has done a whole lot except buy other companies and start-then-stop development of drugs. There just may not be enough for a Wikipedia article yet. Maybe there will be in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, the reason for their decline is in the pink box at the top:
- Awesome, thanks. I am starting to understand this process now. Good info. So everything look compliant now? You all are the best. Glad GenNotability directed me here. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, I put the template on the talk page for you, it's the yellow box at the top of Draft talk:FSD Pharma. You can adjust if anything is incorrect. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ahh, I see that now. Done. It shows up cleanly with that edit. Now, are there things that I need to put on the draft page to make sure all is following Wikipedia disclosure guidance in addition to the "Disclosure" section? Draft:FSD Pharma Thank you! Mav5x5 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5, you need to remove the nowiki tags - these things: <nowiki></nowiki>. The visual editor may have inserted them automatically. The template won't display correctly with them in place. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I created the Mav5x5 page as instructed and received a message about proper disclosure. I will admit that I am confused about how and where to insert the template. Again, any help is appreciated. Hopefully I can pass it on to others going forward. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- The standard place to make such a disclosure is on your user page (User:Mav5x5). Just copy/paste the following:
- Thanks Writ Keeper! I figured it was some sort of scammy stuff. I was just live chatting with GenNotability and he/she was super nice about providing some info. I had previously read/chatted about proper disclosures. I am working with the company on communications and have disclosed that FSD Pharma created the page (Draft:FSD Pharma). I appreciate any advice as I am definitely trying to do things correctly and by the book. Love Wikipedia and would even like to do some volunteer editing myself to help out around here. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Fortunately, @Mav5x5, it's very easy and completely free to "work directly with Wikipedia" - you've already done it by making edits and communicating with other editors. You are as much "Wikipedia" as any of us are, which is to say, no one is, and everyone is. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's a really cool way of presenting it! Thanks. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP does offer a welcome and mentorship to newcomers. See your talkpage as I have now posted there and will help in any way I can. I can't compete with the wonderful Teahouse of course, but perhaps I can supplement them a little with the simple stuff. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Mav5x5. The fact that you are talking about "get a page published" suggests that you have a very common misconception that a Wikipedia article about your company is in any way for your company's benefit. It might be, of course, but that is absolutely no part of Wikipedia's purpose. Wikipedia's purpose in respect of an article about your company is to summarize what independent reliable sources have said about your company - whether or not you like what those sources say. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mav5x5: I took a look at the article and Googled the company and don't see enough media coverage to meet WP:NCORP. I did see this and to a lesser degree this, but that's it. I think it's WP:TOOSOON. When you have drugs approved, there'll be coverage that you can use. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's a really cool way of presenting it! Thanks. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
CRS? token
HI! I tried to post a reply to someone on Talk:Historiography of Christianization of the Roman Empire, and it didn't take it, saying I had an invalid CRS token - at least I think it was CRS - then on the second try, it took it. Does anyone there know what a CRS token is, why mine would be invalid, and why it took it afterall? Should I be concerned - or just confused? Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Jenhawk. CSRF tokens are nothing to do with Wikipedia, but are part of how the web maintains security. If you're getting the error (and nobody else is) it's probably a momentary glitch which will go away if you try again; though it is possible that you'll need to discard your edits and begin editing again. (If you do that, I suggest copying the text of your edit before you do it). ColinFine (talk) 19:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hey ColinFine thank you so much for responding. It did go away almost immediately, but not before totally freaking me out! Security huh? I guess that means big brother is watching... Anyway, thanx for explaining. Consider this with my gratitude. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Resolved
- Hey ColinFine thank you so much for responding. It did go away almost immediately, but not before totally freaking me out! Security huh? I guess that means big brother is watching... Anyway, thanx for explaining. Consider this
Editing table/fixtures data on sporting pages
Is there a resource available which shows how to edit/generate tables on sporting pages such as at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2023_FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_UEFA_group_tables ?
I'd like to contribute to articles of the more niche sports but I find the current setup very tricky to navigate, is there somewhere I can be pointed to? Calico1903 (talk) 20:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Calico1903: Tables in wiki markup can be confusing, but it's even worse in raw HTML. See Help:Wikitable to learn more about tables. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- In my experience, Wikipedia's table markup is even worse than raw html. Neither is fun to use. Maproom (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Calico1903: Template:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification – UEFA group tables uses neither wiki markup nor HTML to make tables. It calls Module:Sports table with
{{#invoke:Sports table|main|style=WDL|...}}
. See Module:Sports table/WDL for documentation of thestyle=WDL
variant. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Calico1903: Template:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification – UEFA group tables uses neither wiki markup nor HTML to make tables. It calls Module:Sports table with
- In my experience, Wikipedia's table markup is even worse than raw html. Neither is fun to use. Maproom (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Daily Mail vandalism?
hello - I noticed the use of the initials 'AP' here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Successful_lawsuits_against_the_Mail under 2019 and 2021 - made a note on the talk page. Before I edit, it occurred to me to share the fact in case it's a bigger problem. AP is usually taken to mean The Associated Press - should read 'ANL' Associated Newspapers Ltd. Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Thelisteninghand: I couldn't find where "Daily Mail" was changed to "AP" in the article history, but if you check the cited sources, you'll see that it's wrong and should be corrected. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I thought so. Done. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia Page Creator
There are so many companies out there that claims to be the best, I was wondering if anyone has some reliable and professional referrals? 173.197.161.118 (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Best at what? And what does this have to do with editing Wikipedia? Wikipedia doesn't care what companies say about themselves. We care only what unconnected reliable sources have to say about them. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think the IP is asking about companies that advertise Wikipedia article creation services. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you are talking about article creation services, Wikipedia does not allow paid editing unless the editor properly discloses their employer in accordance with WP:PAID. Iscargra (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- And most outfits that offer Wikipedia article creation services are either scammers or banned from Wikipedia for abuse. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- They are? [Citation needed] ¶ I rather often review unusually competent drafts, free of any obvious promotionalism, by new, single-purpose accounts. I presume that many of these accounts are among very many that are created by commercial services, quickly used, and then forgotten. However, I have no clear evidence that these are commercial services and am obliged to "AGF"; therefore, if such a draft seems good, I uncomplainingly accept it. If it's what I suspect it is, WP:PAID is being contravened; but I've no reason to think that the perp has scammed their client. I'm not even sure that competent commercial services produce less stuff here than do incompetent commercial services: it's just that the fruits of the latter are (often laughably) conspicuous. -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How to manage my watchlist?
I decided to use Twinkle to undo a bunch of vandalism, but now my watchlist is messed up. I want to only watch pages I've created that aren't warning user talk pages. How do I get rid of all of the pages added by Twinkle? I have noticed that the Twinkle watchlist pages do expire in a month, while the ones I watch when making pages don't expire ever, but there doesn't seem to be a button for cleaning out all non-permanent entries. RPI2026F1 (talk) 02:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @RPI2026F1 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can edit your watchlist, by clicking on "Edit your list of watched pages" just above the "saved filters" button. This will allow you to edit your watchlist and remove pages you don't want to see. Otherwise, you could read Help:Watchlist#Controlling which pages are watched for clearer information. Jolly1253 (talk) 02:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- You can also adjust the settings for Twinkle at Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences to not watch the talk pages of users you warn. Madeline (part of me) 07:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Help with cropping CC image and adding to infobox of BLP
Hi, budding editor learning the ropes here. I'm comfortable making edits to the text of an article but am totally green regarding the use of images. I want to add an image to the infobox of Jason Benetti but am unsure exactly how to proceed. I found an image [1] of him (left) on Wikimedia Commons which I think is freely licensed based on my reading of Wikipedia:Image use policy (it's CC BY-SA 3.0) but I'm not 100% sure how to add it to the article, especially since the photo has 2 people in it and needs to be cropped to show only him. Can anybody give me a quick rundown on this? TomFitz77 (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- HiTomFitz77. The easiest thing for you to probably do would be to post a request a c:COM:GL/P and ask someone else to crop the image. Otherwise, you could download the image to your own computer, create a crop yourself, and then reupload the crop to Commons as a new file if you want. There's also (I think) a technical way to "crop" an image using syntax, but that's not really a crop per se since no new file is created; however, I'm not familiar with the specifics on how to do such a thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @TomFitz77 There is a good crop tool available on Commons. See Commons:CropTool. You can install it and use it on the image. In this case, make sure you take the option to create a new file, rather than overwriting the existing file, as you will just need the head-and-shoulders for the article infobox but someone may want the full image elsewhere. The alternative using a software-enabled "crop" is described at {{Annotated image}} but I wouldn't advise that in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
red names and other wikimedia website
Hello,
I've come accross some username that appears red, (I've also found highlighted username as well). And I was wondering why.
Also, I'm not sure to understand the purpose of the meta-wiki and what it is used for.
Thank you Vincent-vst (talk) 05:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Vincent-vst: A red username just means the user hasn't created a user page. It's quite common. There is no requirement to create a user page. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Vincent-vst As to meta:Main Page that's an area that co-ordinates stuff common to all the language versions of Wikipedia. So, while each language sets its own standards for notability and style, there are some aspects that need to be in common, for example the logon systems, access to files in Wikimedia Commons and software bug fixes. Most editors here probably ignore these topics. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Any suggestions?
I've created the Draft:La Petatera and would appreciate any suggestions for the article (sources, formatting, etc.) and any comments regarding its quality. Mejorar wikiwi (talk) 05:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- It looks all right although the talk page has a discussion about copyright violations since the article was translated from the Spanish Wikipedia, and the article there is 90% copied verbatim from source websites. They may be lax in enforcing copyright rules in Spain, but here on the English Wikipedia we are strict about it. Please check the original sources and make sure the content isn't a copied translation. It also cannot be a close paraphrase, it must be completely rewritten in different words. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. The 90% issue has already been dealt with; and I did my very best to avoid using the same wording for the article. It's kinda hard not to use the same words while dealing with technical jargon, but I've done the best i could. Based on what you've wrote all I've got left is for the article to be reviewed/published. Thanks. Mejorar wikiwi (talk) 01:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
My article sounds like an advertisement but isn't- help!
Hello teahouse. My article on HomeCo Daily Needs REIT has recently received feedback. I have established notability, however they've said it sounds like an advertisement. Could someone please give me pointers on where the advertising manor is and how to fix that section. Thank you! HoHo3143 (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, HoHo3143. You wrote in your draft,
HomeCo structures their centres to focus on four sub-sectors of stores. Those being. Daily needs, Leisure, lifestyle, and education, Homewares and electrical Services
. If you are not capable of seeing that this is overtly promotional language utterly unacceptable for inclusion in a neutral encyclopedia article, then perhaps you should ask your employer to reassign you to a less demanding assignment. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you for your very friendly and polite feedback Cullen328! To correct you, I am not employed by anyone, and have stated this previously. I simply came onto the teahouse to ask how I can improve my article, so thanks for the feedback! HoHo3143 (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- HoHo3143 This probably cannot be fixed. You removed the content that rested on the Shopping Centre News ref because Cullen328 criticized it as promotional. Everything that remains is descriptions of financial transactions. This can be informative as history, but none of it establishes notability. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, there. I can point you to this: Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. It can give you an idea on how to make the sound like it is not promoting something.Cwater1 (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your very friendly and polite feedback Cullen328! To correct you, I am not employed by anyone, and have stated this previously. I simply came onto the teahouse to ask how I can improve my article, so thanks for the feedback! HoHo3143 (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
wiki page Finland-NATO relations update
In the section entitled "Membership timeline", the Event box states 27/30 countries have ratified protocol. However, Greece ratified on September 15 and so that number should be edited to read 28/30. The accompanying map should also be edited. I cannot do these edits myself because my membership level is not high enough. Finland–NATO relations Rmm8 (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've corrected the number. In the future, you can request such changes on the talk page of the article. Madeline (part of me) 07:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- It got undone, apparently Greece has not yet deposited their ratification. Madeline (part of me) 07:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Writing Articles
I would like to write article about a person who is quite known . To follow the Wikipedia guidelines of writing properly what things I have to see more precisely. 1. How to figure out the person notability? 2. What news articles are acceptable and how to figure that out if good to go ? 3. How many new articles need to be attached as a reference? 4. Is YouTube or social media videos are acceptable as a reference? 5. How to upload pictures of that person on the Wikipedia? And how to get it approved from it ? Should we pick directly from online and copyright ©️ it ? please help me out and guide me properly with these questions to write articles. ThomasAnthony23 (talk) 07:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- ThomasAnthony23 As you use "we" I gather that you may be associated with the person you wish to write about; please read conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures.
- The definition of a notable person is written on this linked page.
- There is not a specific number of references that is required, but if you submit a draft via Articles for Creation(highly recommended until you routinely have articles accepted) most reviewers look for at least three. References must have significant coverage of the person and not be a brief mention, interview, or mere documentation of what the person does, the coverage must go in depth as to why the person is significant or important.
- YouTube videos are in general not acceptable as a source, unless the video is from a recognized news outlet on their verified channel. I again note that interviews with the person are not acceptable regardless of the medium.
- The easiest way to upload a photo is if you took the photo yourself with your own camera. Do NOT just take an image from somewhere on the internet, as likely the copyright is not compatible.
- I hope this helps you- please see Your First Article. I would also suggest using the new user tutorial. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's good to go into it with some experience and knowledge. Maybe also spend time editing existing articles, to get a feel for what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 08:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am still requiring more information about adding a picture. I saw that person has pictures on google image section . How can I bring that bring and add it to the Wikipedia without effecting my place .
- Also if the person have interviews doesn it acceptable? If so what are they?
- How the deletion process works and why ? If so how to appeal them to remove ThomasAnthony23 (talk) 13:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ThomasAnthony23, most images on the internet are copyrighted under an incompatible license. Please do not take images from Google and attempt to upload them without investigating their copyright status carefully.
- Interviews cannot be used to establish notability because they are not independent. They can be used for other things, but notability needs to be established first.
- There are several deletion processes on Wikipedia, covering many different situations. See WP:DELETE. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Enhanced Fujita Color change
I just noticed the color for the EF scale get changed.
Any reason for the change? thanks. Lolkikmoddi (talk) 14:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Enhanced Fujita scale - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lolkikmoddi, it was changed because someone made a bold edit. I would recommend pinging the editor that changed the colors, although I can't find who changed it. 104.37.211.87 (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- oh thanks, also the ip you should make a account, not saying you need to but anyway thanks Lolkikmoddi (talk) 18:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lolkikmoddi The original version of the article in 2007] seems to use the same color scheme as I see today, so can you clarify what differences you mean? Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- this was the colors before it changed i guess few days ago Lolkikmoddi (talk) 23:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lolkikmoddi There seems to have been a discussion about this at Talk:Enhanced_Fujita_scale#Requesting_a_big_change_for_the_EF_scale_and_alot_of_tornado_pages. back in 2018. The current US govt. weather.com page ought to be the correct source for the colors but on that webpage they look a lot more washed-out. Maybe you need to take the discussion back to the Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lolkikmoddi The original version of the article in 2007] seems to use the same color scheme as I see today, so can you clarify what differences you mean? Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- oh thanks, also the ip you should make a account, not saying you need to but anyway thanks Lolkikmoddi (talk) 18:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
should all sockpuppets be tagged?
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi. I'm not new here, but I'm infrequent enough that I don't know the right place to post this.
A user admitted to sockpuppetry last year. The two accounts are Zelnhelm_the_Wise and Zelnhelmthegreat. It's come up in discussion at a recent AN that his sockpuppets are not tagged as those of others are. One cannot find these accounts by searching by his username. You can read about it here on the user's archived talk page.
My questions:
- Shouldn't these accounts be formally linked to his account and categorized as sockpuppets? Or is there some policy that such continued sock stealth is acceptable under certain circumstances?
- If they should be tagged so, where would I go to request the proper tagging/categorization on the user page instead of just the talk page (where people could miss it) and linking it to the original user?
Thank you! DiamondRemley39 (talk) 15:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note there's also a thread at the Administrator's Noticeboard about this, started independently. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I am a new user, and I have a few questions
1. Is there a page of the list of infoboxes? 2: What are Templates? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 17:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Thehistorianisaac:
- See Wikipedia:List of infoboxes
- An infobox is a type of template. A template is something that can included in multiple pages to display information consistently. Examples would be infoboxes, user talk page warnings, maintenance templates, and so forth.
- ~Anachronist (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I understand now Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Proseline
Hi Teahouse, I’m working on a draft of an article that’s turning out to be date-heavy. I’m reading Wikipedia:Proseline#What should be done? which suggests that I’ll need to make a decision on whether it's a Wikipedia:Timeline or prose. Is there a set of tips or guidelines about how to make this decision? The Proseline essay doesn’t say too much, other than to try it both ways. Alternatively, if anyone knows of an article that accomplishes this (accommodating the needs for both prose and timeline) especially well, I will model this draft after it. Thank you for any tips. GuineaPigC77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 19:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @GuineaPigC77 In this case you are summarising a dispute that's gone on for over a century and I like the way you have done it in your draft, which seems to me perfectly readable in sections covering the major time intervals and events. My advice would be to submit the draft once you are happy with it and let others worry about any reorganisation of the material once it is in mainspace. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you @Michael D. Turnbull. I'll do exactly that. GuineaPigC77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 01:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Reliable Sources
Courtesy link: Salt (cryptography)
Hi, I added a couple sources to the Salt (Cryptography) page, I'm wondering if "The Joy of Cryptography" and "A Graduate Course in Applied Cryptography" are reliable sources, both are self published / available for free online. Joy of Cryptography is self published by Associate Prof. Mike Rosulek from Oregon State Uni, and is used in courses at other colleges, info available on this page. Graduate Course in Applied Cryptography is also self published by two profs from Stanford, both previous sources are pulled from this UIUC course page. Course in Applied Cryptography is also a textbook for this course at UCSD. I'm also wondering whether its appropriate to remove the two cleanup tags at this point? Thanks! Variouspotatoes (talk) 19:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Variouspotatoes, welcome to the Teahouse. WP:RSN is the place to discuss the reliability of sources - the fact that some are self-published will count against them, but in their favor will be the credentials of their authors. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
New user creating a bio page
I am new to creating and I am completely lost on how to create my own page. Any help would be greatly appreciated. WineGlass4Jesus (talk) 20:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @WineGlass4Jesus, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you mean that you want to write an article about yourself. While not forbidden, this is highly discouraged for a number of reasons - see WP:AUTOBIO and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.
- If you still want to go through with it, read Help: Your first article very carefully. You will need to establish that you are notable by Wikipedia's standards, and you will need to gather several reliable, independent, secondary, published sources that talk about you at some length. Do not copy/paste from those sources; you will need to summarize them in your own words and then cite them (see Help:Referencing for beginners). Finally, at long last, you can submit your draft article to WP:AfC and wait for it to be reviewed. It may be accepted; it may be declined, with areas noted for improvement; it may be rejected as entirely unsuitable for Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- This depends on what you mean by your "own page." If you mean a user bio like social media platforms, the closest Wikipedia has to this is User pages. WP:UP has information on their purpose and scope. If you mean an actual article about yourself, it is generally advised against doing so because of possible conflicts of interest and bias. See WP:AUTO for more information. Iscargra (talk) 20:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Iscargra: The OP might be referring to the biography Draft:Saghar Erica Kasraie, which was deleted as a copyright violation. @WineGlass4Jesus: We take copyright very seriously and we act swiftly to remove any violations. You absolutely cannot copy text from another website here, unless the copyright holder has explicitly put the content into public domain or released it under an acceptable free license. Even if you have permission to use the material, Wikipedia doesn't have permission to republish it, and we cannot take the word of some random user account that it's OK. Permission must be granted by having the copyright holder send an affidavit to the Wikimedia foundation releasing the content. See WP:CONSENT for more details. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding a Link (part 2)
Could someone tell me how to add a link to a particular person, place or think? Cjmodica (talk) 20:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you're asking about a wikilink, you type for example
[[Apple]]
to get Apple in Wikitext. In the visual editor there is a button in the toolbar to do the same. Madeline (part of me) 20:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC) - OMG, I will try this. It seems so simple but there is so much to learn. Thanks! Cjmodica (talk) 20:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, and if you want to add a link to an external site, you use single brackets: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page] becomes [2]. Or you can add a phrase at the end, so those words show up instead of a number: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page link to commons] becomes link to commons. The little link/infinity symbol at the top of the box when replying to someone will add an internal or external link for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I need to practice this. Cjmodica (talk) 21:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, you can do all sorts of practicing in your sandbox, if you like - User:Cjmodica/sandbox. Basically no one will be watching, and if you screw up, it doesn't matter. Sandboxes are very handy. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, please don't make test edits in main space articles. You can copy an article to your sandbox if you want to practice on it. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Though that gets into all the weeds about WP:Copying within Wikipedia. Easy enough once you get the idea - and as long as you remember to do it! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- OH, now I understand what Sandbox if for. Okay, that helps me a bunch. I feel so incompetent, but trying to make it perfect. I think I am about to move on to the next article, but I will still try to finish my last finishing touches in Sandbox. Thanks to all of you so much for the input, support and help. Cjmodica (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Now, I really feel incompetent, especially in spelling. Is there a way to edit my own remarks above? Cjmodica (talk) 21:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: If you need to correct spelling, don't click "reply" (I never use that feature), just click "edit" next to the section heading and make the correction. I do that all the time; a large portion of what I write has a small mistake that I catch only after I click "Publish changes". If you need to change the meaning, it might be best to
strike throughthe original phrase next to your corrected one. - When you're satisfied with what you did in the sandbox, just paste whatever you changed into the original article. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: If you need to correct spelling, don't click "reply" (I never use that feature), just click "edit" next to the section heading and make the correction. I do that all the time; a large portion of what I write has a small mistake that I catch only after I click "Publish changes". If you need to change the meaning, it might be best to
- Now, I really feel incompetent, especially in spelling. Is there a way to edit my own remarks above? Cjmodica (talk) 21:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, please don't make test edits in main space articles. You can copy an article to your sandbox if you want to practice on it. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, you can do all sorts of practicing in your sandbox, if you like - User:Cjmodica/sandbox. Basically no one will be watching, and if you screw up, it doesn't matter. Sandboxes are very handy. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I need to practice this. Cjmodica (talk) 21:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding Photos
To add another photo to an article, does one have to submit it to Wikimedia before adding it to the relative article on Wikipedia? Cjmodica (talk) 22:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica Short answer: yes! Most images used in Wikipedia are hosted on Wikimedia Commons, so they can be used on any of the language projects. There are a few images hosted on the English Wikipedia for use only here, as explained at WP:FAIRUSE Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Right. An image in an article must be hosted by Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. We do not link to externally-hosted images. Wikimedia Commons can have only images that are in the public domain or have been released by the copyright holder (the photographer) under an acceptable free license (as described in WP:CONSENT). Wikipedia (not Commons) can have small, low-resolution/cropped "fair use" non-free images that are used in one place only for a specific purpose. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding bridges to establishments by year in place
I noticed that Andrews Causeway was in the category 1935 establishments in Florida. Should other such bridges, such as Angelina River Bridge be added to their respective categories as well (1935 establishments in Texas in this case) or should bridges be left out of the establishment categories? Rusentaja (talk) 22:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- The category description says "Organizations, places, or other things", so technically it should be in the category. But I would start an RfC before mass adding this to articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 00:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Requesting an Article
Hi everyone,
I work for a film production company that's been involved in several films that have been released world wide. I've read about COI and getting listed as a Paid Contributor and such, but I'm struggling to understand the process and what to do to request the article be written about our film company. I'm not interested in the article being used as a marketing ploy or anything of that nature, we'd like it to be as neutral as possible actually. Our company has been mentioned in several industry newspapers as well as other Wikipedia articles of colleagues or other film companies that have contributed to producing films with us, not to mention the films that we have helped produce.
I greatly appreciate any advise or help anyone can provide me.
Thank you! Tanagra1701 (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merely being "mentioned" in news/industry outlets isn't justification for an article; we need in-depth coverage of the company. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Tanagra1701: You can always list your requests at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Film, radio and television (under the section "Film companies") and someone may eventually write an article. Or you could disclose your paid editing status on your user page (see WP:PAID for instructions) and write an article yourself by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, keep Wikipedia:Golden rule uppermost in your mind. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your advice, do I have to disclose that I'm a paid editor to post in the Requested Articles section? I'm having trouble understanding where to disclose this or how to do it, the system isn't very intuitive. Also, if we submit our own page, wouldn't it get flagged for COI issues? Just trying to understand more about this process. I know there are pages and pages of information on this, but sometimes it helps to interact with another person who knows more about this topic. Tanagra1701 (talk) 16:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Tanagra1701, I will post a message on your talk page with instructions on how to disclose. You should probably do that before doing anything else. As long as you properly disclose your COI and go through the Articles for Creation process, there will not be COI issues with the article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your advice, do I have to disclose that I'm a paid editor to post in the Requested Articles section? I'm having trouble understanding where to disclose this or how to do it, the system isn't very intuitive. Also, if we submit our own page, wouldn't it get flagged for COI issues? Just trying to understand more about this process. I know there are pages and pages of information on this, but sometimes it helps to interact with another person who knows more about this topic. Tanagra1701 (talk) 16:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Tanagra1701: You can always list your requests at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Film, radio and television (under the section "Film companies") and someone may eventually write an article. Or you could disclose your paid editing status on your user page (see WP:PAID for instructions) and write an article yourself by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, keep Wikipedia:Golden rule uppermost in your mind. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Looking for sections to expand on
Hi, I just submitted an article for review Draft:Organic Sunscreen . Would anybody be keen on providing feedback, please? Also, now that is almost complete I am wondering if there are any points made in there that would be helpful to expand on? The overall category I want to work on is sunscreen, the organic community and veganism. DemocratGreen (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- DemocratGreen,
I've read the lead of your draft, and I'm left wondering whether it's about a particular branded product "Organic Sunscreen", or a category of sunscreens "organic sunscreen".I see now that my confusion was caused by your excessive use of capital letters, which continues throughout the draft. The name is also puzzling, and may need explanation: it seems that an "organic sunscreen" is one which does not contain organic active ingredients (such as avobenzene). Maproom (talk) 08:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC) - @DemocratGreen As an (ex) professional chemist, I'm concerned that your wording is very confusing. The sunscreen you are describing is entirely made of chemicals: the subset used including zinc oxide are classified by the chemical community as inorganic chemicals. It is not you personally who has hijacked the word "organic" in the sense that the organic movement uses it but I think you need to link to that article and somehow ensure you are not suggesting this sunscreen contains organic chemicals. The suggestion in the first sentence of the lead that the sunscreen is "chemical-free" is, frankly, preposterous. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed. It seems that most of the standards organisations listed in the draft share the view that zinc oxide is organic and avobenzene is not. This makes me question the credibility of those organisations. And I wonder how many customers will think "organic suncream? I'm not buying that. I want good old tried-and-tested ZnO and TiO2. I'm not spreading dodgy organic chemicals on my skin." Maproom (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Category:Paintings depicting the Rosary
Hello, I am not a new editor and have created four categories before now, but I have a question on this one and I wanted to ask to make sure that this one would be correct to make before publishing. I was trying to find examples of artwork that has its own Wikipedia article that depicts the Rosary in it (such as this, this, and this), while trying to improve the page for the Rosary. I had a hard time finding these articles though and it made me think, would a category make this easier? As far as I am aware, categories starting with "Paintings depicting..." do not exist, which is why I wanted to ask here first as to not have the category be nominated for deletion if created. Categories such as "Paintings of..." do exist, but I am hesitant to name the category that, as these paintings do not have the Rosary as the primary focus in them, but they do "depict" them. Any feedback is very much appreciated, thanks! Johnson524 (Talk!) 02:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting question! Temptation of St. Thomas (Velázquez) isn't primarily about prostitution, and it's in Category:Prostitution in paintings. However, a glance at the latter suggests that the former is rather an anomaly within it; also the latter is an anomalous category title (although, strangely, there does exist Category:Poverty in painting, singular). Perhaps present your suggestion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, pointing there from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts (or vice versa). -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you @Hoary for taking the time to write that thorough response to my harder question! I think I will take this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories if you think this is the best course of action. Before you commented though, I didn't even know that WikiProjects answered these types of questions 😅 Again, thank you for the in-depth response, that really made my day. Johnson524 (Talk!) 02:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Understanding G7 in the CSD.
"If requested in good faith and provided that the only substantial content of the page was added by its author."
What if the author are alternate accounts that you made and then abandoned? Do you still count as the author and can use the {{Db-g7}} template, or must it be the alternate account that started the page who gets to delete it? I know it does say "If the sole author blanks a page other than a userspace page, a category page, or any type of talk page, this can be taken as a deletion request.", but then again the question still applies.
I'm asking this so I can remove some drafts. (Tennsion Gambit: ICBM Variation, Tennsion Gambit: BFG 10000 Variation, Albin Countergambit: NPBMS Variation specifically. These drafts were made and edited by my alts. I could delete them for A7, or other deletion methods) Angerxietythe ediot (chat? ⋅ contribs to society) 02:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Users in some cases may have multiple accounts, but they are still the same user. So, as long as the same user is the only person using the accounts, they should be considered the author of the page. If you declare your alternate accounts on your current or primary user page as explained in WP:MULTIPLE, then things should probably be fine. Another possibility to G7 might be WP:G13; in other words, do nothing and let the drafts be deleted for being abandoned. Finally, you could also start a mass WP:MFD for the drafts and explaining you created or edited them using multiple accounts, and now you want them to be deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
How can I make better descriptions?
I am facing a problem when I am editing grammar. Whenever I try to make a better explanation, I sometimes stop, and then think about it if it is much more understandable for the person reading the paragraph.  Gavinvin13 (talk) 02:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Gavinvin13: We all have that problem when trying to come up with clearer, more compelling prose. Like everything, it takes practice. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it, we all started off the same way. In time you'll get the hang of what feels like a good edit FishandChipper 🐟🍟 06:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Template for referencing a book
Is there a template for referencing a book? If so, where can I find it? Cjmodica (talk) 03:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: {{cite book}}. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
How do I make userboxes?
I've always wanted one on my user page, but I just don't know how.  How can I make one? Gavinvin13 (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Gavinvin13: find one at wikipedia:userbox gallery (there's a lot) or make one with {{userbox}}. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Gavinvin13, userboxes can be placed on ones page by simply copying the userboxes code (everything between the 2 squiggly lines like {{ }} ) and pasting onto your user page. Making userboxes yourself is a difficult process for a beginner but if you put in a request at Userbox Ideas you should hopefully get a response quickly. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 06:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Making a userbox may be "a difficult process for a beginner", but when I wanted a custom one on my user page, I just copied someone else's, changing the text and image. Deor (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think you're forgetting the fact that most people aren't familiar with Wikitext and may not know how to do so. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 18:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Making a userbox may be "a difficult process for a beginner", but when I wanted a custom one on my user page, I just copied someone else's, changing the text and image. Deor (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
3rd party vote decision
Some users and myself initially established a vote for the inclusion of a certain concept into articles that by all accounts was going in our favor. However, a user of the opposing opinion just set up his own RFC and essentially is seeking a revote. Is there a person or admin that can mediate on this? The ganymedian (talk) 05:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- This seems to be a sequel to this earlier question of yours, above. How, you asked, could you get more people into a poll? (I'll put aside the question of whether a poll is more appropriate than a discussion.) I responded. One of my suggestions was an RFC. Now you've got an RFC, it seems that you don't want it. This leaves me rather confused. -- Hoary (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Rowspan quotations
Do rowspans need their numbers surrounded by quotation marks? As in rowspan="2" vs. rowspan=2? It seems to work fine without it. Hamon669 (talk) 05:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hamon669, I suspect that the html standard encourages the use of quotation marks. There may be some older browsers which ignore, or misinterpret, the tag if the quotation marks are omitted. Maproom (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, the parser that converts wikitext into HTML will automatically add the quotes, a
|rowspan=2
will be turned into<td rowspan="2">
. So in wikitext, it doesn't matter. --rchard2scout (talk) 10:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, the parser that converts wikitext into HTML will automatically add the quotes, a
Possible copyright issue with image
Looking at this image, I have doubts whether it can legally be on Wikipedia. Not sure how it works but just wanted a second opinion. GoldMiner24 Talk 07:15, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, GoldMiner24. I share your concern about this image which contains a watermark indicating that it is probably protected by a restrictive copyright. On the other hand, it was uploaded based on a Flikr assertion of an acceptable Creative Commons license. Since the image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons, that is the best place to express your concerns. Cullen328 (talk) 07:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Per what's under "Licensing", it should be ok per Commons rules. I'm not familiar with the Personality rights warning thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- The Flikr license says it is CC-BY-SA 2.0, which is fine. The personality rights warning is not relevant to the use of the file within Wikipedia. It is there to caution that a model release may be required if the image was to be used for commercial purposes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Need help in creating wikipedia page
Hi Everyone hope all are doing well. I have been trying to create a wikipedia page about one organization. After submitting the article, wikipedia decline my submission referring "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia." I have added 2 reference one of the website and other is from a news website. Can someone guide me? Vikram12kr (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Vikram12kr Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I left you an explanation at the top of your draft, it's right under the decline message. Do you have a question about it? I would also ask you if you are associated with this organization. 08:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Vikram12kr, I assume that this is about Draft:Statecraft Global Affairs Daily. It provides no evidence that its subject is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. The first source it cites is not independent of the subject, the second does not even mention the subject. Maproom (talk) 08:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Talk and User pages
I want to make my talk/user pages more like other people's, but don't know what I need to do or how to do it. Is there a guide or a list of boxes that can be added? Finessethesystem (talk) 09:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Finessethesystem and welcome to Wikipedia editing. You could start at WP:UBX and linked pages. There is also general advice at WP:UPYES. Bear in mind that your greatest contribution here should focus on building the encyclopaedia. User-facing information is much less important. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Finessethesystem, welcome to the Teahouse! WP:UP and WP:UBG may be of some help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
How to create an article for my company ..
wikipedia article for company Sachinmishra698 (talk) 10:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- You can't just create a Wikipedia article for a company unless it's in some way notable. Wikipedia isn't just a database of things its a collection of notable topics. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 10:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Let's suppose for a moment that your company is indeed notable, Sachinmishra698. You create a draft about it (not an article) by first acquiring the necessary skills and experience in improving existing articles. When you think you've acquired these, you make a Paid-contribution disclosure. Then you create the draft and submit it for promotion to article status. The draft will have to cite reliable sources for everything that it says. If your draft gets the promotion, then (to simplify a little) you can never edit it again. (All you can do is make suggestions for it.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Sachinmishra698 It's very important to remember that if such an article ever exists, it won't be FOR your company. It will be ABOUT your company. If someone comes along and puts something in the article you happen not to like, if it's relevant and it's well and reliably sourced, then there won't be much you can do about it.Uporządnicki (talk) 12:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
i need to delete my draft.
I made a draft (that was sandbox at the time) called "List of animals named after their feet" moved it to draft, then i realized i cant submit it so i decided to make into article. fortunatly it was thrusted back and then i just deleted it but i know if i decide to make an article again (and i will) i wont be able to because i cant delete it and start over (to my knowledge) edit:sorry if this is hard to understandAbdullah raji (talk) 12:42, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Abdullah raji - I think you're asking how to fully delete the draft, rather than just blanking it? You seem to have been the only substantial contributor, so you can request speedy deletion by putting the following on the page: {{Db-author}}. You don't need to delete it in order to create another draft - you can have more than one draft. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- thank's Abdullah raji (talk) 14:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, @Abdullah raji. The draft is still there at Draft:List of Animals Named after their Feet or legs but your last edit to it blanked the page. If you want to go back to an earlier version (intending to continue work) that's an alternative to speedy deletion you can do by using the "View history" tab and choosing an earlier version you now wish to reinstate. For example this version. All that is needed is for you to "Edit source" on that version when it is open in your browser and subsequently "Publish changes". I make no comment on whether the article will ever be acceptable, only a comment on how you can easily continue work on it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Abdullah raji if you're talking about User:Abdullah raji/sandbox, which was a redirect to Draft:List of Animals Named after their Feet or legs, I have reset that one for you following the procedure described at WP:EDRED. For future note, there is no need to draft all articles directly in your sandbox, anything named Draft:Page Name or User:Abdullah raji/Page name would be an acceptable location for a draft. For the former case you could also use the following form:
- Hope this helps, Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 14:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Trying To Understand Reason For Speedy Deletion
Hi all! I was wondering if someone could help me understand why my page was speedily deleted twice. I understood the first time because of some language that was promotional in nature but I sincerely thought I removed all of the promotional language the second time. If someone could help me understand what I did wrong the second time it would be greatly appreciated! Carolinecllw (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Delivery Solutions (note that only administrators can see deleted pages) Madeline (part of me) 15:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your draft was unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company. Wikipedia is NOT for merely providing information. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. Theroadislong (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Order of country sections
Should countries be ordered alphabetically or by importance, or does it not matter at all? I couldn't find the relevant info in WP:MOS. Asking from Lynching. Quirk4 (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Quirk4: that usually depends on the context. If you're listing, say, the top ten countries by GDP, you would probably rank them from 1 to 10.
- If you're using a table, you may want to make it sortable, so the reader can sort the contents by whatever criterion makes most sense to them.
- 'Importance' is quite a subjective concept, and as such probably best avoided. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- PS: I just noticed that you said 'country sections'; would this be eg. in an article on secondary education, where you might first have some general information about the subject, and then a subsection 'Secondary education by country' (or something to that effect), with each country as a separate sub-subsection? In that case, I would probably order them alphabetically. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
userpage
how do you make a userpage like User:Xaosflux i want to ask here because why not Lolkikmoddi (talk) 16:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Lolkikmoddi. You've already created a user page - what is it about Xaosflux's page that you want to copy? If you're just looking for ideas, the Wikipedia:User page design center is a good place to check out, even though it's no longer active. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- My userpage is quite "old", as I've been around here a long time. There are a bunch of better supported designs out there that the page 199* linked above can help you with. If you want to copy the menu bar I have on the top, you can put
{{User:Xaosflux/Menu1}}
on the top of your page. — xaosflux Talk 16:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)- oh ok thanks Lolkikmoddi (talk) 17:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Metre or Meter
In the Wikipedia page of the Krymsky Bridge, I saw metre being used instead of meter. Should I change it or leave it alone? Castwarper (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Castwarper: You should not change the regional variety of English used in the article, per MOS:RETAIN. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 16:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Castwarper welcome to the wonderful world of WP:ENGVAR. In this case the occasional spelling of metre should be changed to meter to be consistent with the rest of the article under MOS:RETAIN as the US spelling has been used since the article was created. Nthep (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Use whichever one is more-often used. If an article is written mostly in American English but has a few metre's, convert them to meter. Vice versa, if an article is written mostly in British English, the metre's would be left, and any stray meters should instead be converted the other way. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- It also depends on the context of the subject. UK-centric subjects should use UK spelling. The cider article, for example, was originally written with US spelling and remained that way for years until people started inserting UK spelling, and now it is entirely British. This makes sense because the UK produces and consumes more cider than anywhere else. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Site Map
Is there a site map to help me get around in Wikipedia? I am trying to find Wikimedia. Cjmodica (talk) 17:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Cjmodica - see here for a list of all the Wikimedia projects. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, but where do I go to upload a picture to get it approved so that I can use it in an article? Cjmodica (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, that would be Wikimedia Commons - here. We normally just call it "Commons". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Pictures needing attention Tdshe/her 17:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- this also leads to the pictures that need to be approved o cleaned up Tdshe/her 17:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Thedefender35, that is a place for dealing with uploaded images that need some technical work done. It's not a place to upload images or have them approved. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload is where you would find out how to upload Tdshe/her 17:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have uploaded the image to Wikimedia, but is keeps telling me that it is a duplicate for Tommy Byars so I can't use it. Not sure what to do. Cjmodica (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica, you successfully uploaded a new image earlier today - I'm not sure if that's the one you're talking about. It sounds like you may have two files with the same name. Commons has their own help desk here and the people there will be more familiar with such issues. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- So you managed to upload the file to Commons, but you're getting an error trying to add it to the Wikipedia article? Madeline (part of me) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have uploaded the image to Wikimedia, but is keeps telling me that it is a duplicate for Tommy Byars so I can't use it. Not sure what to do. Cjmodica (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload is where you would find out how to upload Tdshe/her 17:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Thedefender35, that is a place for dealing with uploaded images that need some technical work done. It's not a place to upload images or have them approved. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- this also leads to the pictures that need to be approved o cleaned up Tdshe/her 17:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, but where do I go to upload a picture to get it approved so that I can use it in an article? Cjmodica (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica There isn't, as far as I know, a full site map for all the projects and nooks and crannies of Wikipedia. However, the main page has many of the key links in its lower portion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Sandbox content does not show all content when published
I am having an issue with being able to view all of the content in my sandbox article when it's published. Some sections are missing. I have tried copying and pasting the content into a new sandbox but the content is still hidden. Here is the sandbox that I am referring tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pennyframstad/sandbox4 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much Pennyframstad (talk) 17:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad
- Clickable link: User:Pennyframstad/sandbox4 RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Pennyframstad what sections are missing? I see 8 sections and 1 reference section, how many expected sections are there? RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you go into edit mode you will see all of the content intended to be on the page. Section "Timex Social Club" is missing. "Jay Records" content is missing and has unintended content from a previous edit. Is there a formatting issue?
- Thanks Pennyframstad (talk) 18:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pennyframstad/sandbox4 Pennyframstad (talk) 18:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. See my reply below. I may have fixed it before RPI2026F1 looked at the draft. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Pennyframstad, there was a missing bit of formatting - I fixed it here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please help. Portions of my content in my sandbox are not visible when published.
- Sections missing: "Timex Social Club", "Jay Records" content only shows a couple of lines (check in edit mode to see what is intended to be there) thank you so much Pennyframstad (talk)pennyframstad Pennyframstad (talk) 18:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Pennyframstad, did you look at my diff? It shows the problem. I've gone ahead and fixed it in your main sandbox as well. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Can you fix the section "Jay Records" as well? If you look in edit mode you will see the intended content. Also what did you do to correct it? Again thank you so much!!! Pennyframstad (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Pennyframstad, it was the same problem in that section. You used <ref name= "Urban Bridgez"> instead of <ref name= "Urban Bridgez"/>. An unclosed ref makes content disappear. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Can you fix the section "Jay Records" as well? If you look in edit mode you will see the intended content. Also what did you do to correct it? Again thank you so much!!! Pennyframstad (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Pennyframstad, did you look at my diff? It shows the problem. I've gone ahead and fixed it in your main sandbox as well. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
How to easily tag other articles with Wikiprojects?
Is there a tool or gadget that allows me to specify a Wikiproject for an article? I know that the articles for creation form does it for me, but I can't use it on already existing articles. I can probably look up the syntax and do it manually but it seems cumbersome and I wish there was a version of the Wikiproject selector like the AFC one. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Two or More Pictures on an Article
How may I add a second picture to the article for Tommy Byars? Cjmodica (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica visit Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for help on adding pictures! Tdshe/her 17:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Cannot publish content added to a wiki page
Confirmed email address, trying to hit publish on an article I’ve added additional information to, then completed the captcha, hit publish but it just refreshes the captcha, and doesn’t do anything Fervent23 (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fervent23, this may be a problem with the mobile editor. Have you tried switching to desktop mode instead? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Unable to access desktop Source editor tells me the capture is incorrect each time too — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fervent23 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- This sounds like Javascript is being interdicted somehow (the CAPTCHA relies on JS). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Try a different browser, perhaps? ~Anachronist (talk) 19:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikiproject:Samsung Galaxy?
Should there be a wikiproject for Samsung Galaxy? There is a ton of articles that needs to be improved so should it be a wikiproject or a task force of WikiProject:Google? SMBMovieFan (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @SMBMovieFan, welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I know, Samsung and Google aren't related. A WikiProject focused only on the Samsung Galaxy, or only on Samsung, probably wouldn't get much activity - even the Google one is only semi-active. WikiProject Electronics might be a better choice; you can try a post on the talk page to see if there's interest. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- You are correct that GOogle and Samsung aren't related. The only thing they have in common is the Android OS which is made by Google. The only phones google (currently) makes are the Google Pixel line. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Having a wikiproject for just Android OS and phones will probably get activity. And then the samsung galaxy task force can exist then. SMBMovieFan (talk) 18:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @SMBMovieFan, if you want to create a new WikiProject, the place to start is here. Read the links provided. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)