How to cite a product catalog?
I've been trying to sort out information about guitar models on Wikidata and Wikipedia, and found some archived Ibanez product catalogs saved on the Internet Archive/Ibanez's website.
In the 1999 US product catalog I found information on the Ibanez PGM30 that can be used as a source for information in the article that is currently not cited.
How should I cite a product catalog like this template-wise? Would a catalog fall under Template:Cite magazine? Or would it be something else? Lizzyd710 (talk) 17:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Lizzy. I'm not convinced that information cited only to a product catalogue belongs in a Wikipedia article. If an independent source talks about a model, then you could use a catalogue for details about the model (see WP:VENDOR), but the general principle is that if something has not been covered by independent sources, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. I'm not sure what template would fit best: the difference between the templates is normally in what arguments they accept or require. Presumably there's no author or title here - but the important data would be publisher and date. ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- "If an independent source talks about a model, then you could use a catalogue for details about the model" Yes, that is the case. There have been quite a few published books on guitar model history (I just don't have access to them right now) and the information I'm using from the catalog is the objective facts such as years produced and the technical specifications such as the wood used for construction, the colors available, etc. I figured that fit within the scope of primary sources outlined in WP:RSPRIMARY, especially since I'm trying to focus on articles with no sources so that the information will have at least one source in the meantime while others (or myself, for that matter) can access the published books written by independent authors from the vendors. Would that be more of an acceptable situation? (Thanks for clarifying about the citation templates! I wasn't sure if there were more differences than the arguments, so I wanted to make sure!) Lizzyd710 (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- From WP:RSPRIMARY, "Although specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred." (emphasis added)
- -- @Lizzyd710, @ColinFine
- Paper catalogs have existed for centuries and are a valuable and often unappreciated source for basic facts and descriptions about items for sale. The "seller" or "manufacturer" with some exceptions, usually state accurate the facts about the items that are for sale or risk potentially losing customers and therefore profits through falsehoods or mis-statements. Catalogs were often printed annually and help to build customer's brand loyalty through trust in the catalog's accurate information. The Sears catalog is a prominent example. Garden catalogs in the United States alone, number in the thousands since the 1800's [[1]] Catalogs can and should be used. If a secondary source is later found, that is the preferred source and can be replaced. -- Ooligan (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's also good to keep in mind that the primary-secondary-tertiary rubric we use here is lifted from academia and doesn't actually fit all that well with our mission. You can't use primary sources to establish notability of course, but beyond that the only real reason not to use primary sources is that you might be cherry-picking facts to make some point, overemphasize some aspect, or imply some state state or condition. You can easily do this inadvertently too. (In theory a secondary source will put the facts together, appropriately emphasizing the correct one because they are professionals and experts. Fine, sometimes.) Anyway, if that's not in play, the main remaining reason not to use primary sources is that people might squawk at you. Herostratus (talk) 14:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- "If an independent source talks about a model, then you could use a catalogue for details about the model" Yes, that is the case. There have been quite a few published books on guitar model history (I just don't have access to them right now) and the information I'm using from the catalog is the objective facts such as years produced and the technical specifications such as the wood used for construction, the colors available, etc. I figured that fit within the scope of primary sources outlined in WP:RSPRIMARY, especially since I'm trying to focus on articles with no sources so that the information will have at least one source in the meantime while others (or myself, for that matter) can access the published books written by independent authors from the vendors. Would that be more of an acceptable situation? (Thanks for clarifying about the citation templates! I wasn't sure if there were more differences than the arguments, so I wanted to make sure!) Lizzyd710 (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
My article sounds like an advertisement but isn't- help!
Hello teahouse. My article on HomeCo Daily Needs REIT has recently received feedback. I have established notability, however they've said it sounds like an advertisement. Could someone please give me pointers on where the advertising manor is and how to fix that section. Thank you! HoHo3143 (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, HoHo3143. You wrote in your draft,
HomeCo structures their centres to focus on four sub-sectors of stores. Those being. Daily needs, Leisure, lifestyle, and education, Homewares and electrical Services
. If you are not capable of seeing that this is overtly promotional language utterly unacceptable for inclusion in a neutral encyclopedia article, then perhaps you should ask your employer to reassign you to a less demanding assignment. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you for your very friendly and polite feedback Cullen328! To correct you, I am not employed by anyone, and have stated this previously. I simply came onto the teahouse to ask how I can improve my article, so thanks for the feedback! HoHo3143 (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- HoHo3143 This probably cannot be fixed. You removed the content that rested on the Shopping Centre News ref because Cullen328 criticized it as promotional. Everything that remains is descriptions of financial transactions. This can be informative as history, but none of it establishes notability. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, there. I can point you to this: Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. It can give you an idea on how to make the sound like it is not promoting something.Cwater1 (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I want to say the section about Structures of centres is sounding like an advertisement. They box has that advertisements feel. The finial performance has that advisement feel. If you want, I could try to contribute to the article.Cwater1 (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your very friendly and polite feedback Cullen328! To correct you, I am not employed by anyone, and have stated this previously. I simply came onto the teahouse to ask how I can improve my article, so thanks for the feedback! HoHo3143 (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Enhanced Fujita Color change
I just noticed the color for the EF scale get changed.
Any reason for the change? thanks. Lolkikmoddi (talk) 14:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Enhanced Fujita scale - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lolkikmoddi, it was changed because someone made a bold edit. I would recommend pinging the editor that changed the colors, although I can't find who changed it. 104.37.211.87 (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- oh thanks, also the ip you should make a account, not saying you need to but anyway thanks Lolkikmoddi (talk) 18:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lolkikmoddi The original version of the article in 2007] seems to use the same color scheme as I see today, so can you clarify what differences you mean? Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- this was the colors before it changed i guess few days ago Lolkikmoddi (talk) 23:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lolkikmoddi There seems to have been a discussion about this at Talk:Enhanced_Fujita_scale#Requesting_a_big_change_for_the_EF_scale_and_alot_of_tornado_pages. back in 2018. The current US govt. weather.com page ought to be the correct source for the colors but on that webpage they look a lot more washed-out. Maybe you need to take the discussion back to the Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull and Lolkikmoddi: I replied at that article's talk page as well, but the colors were changed per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather#Colour_Discussions. The change was not just to that page, but to a color template that is directly or indirectly transcluded to virtually all pages about tornadoes and cyclones. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: Also, the NWS color scheme is not used here because it would not meet WP:ACCESS for colorblind users. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lolkikmoddi There seems to have been a discussion about this at Talk:Enhanced_Fujita_scale#Requesting_a_big_change_for_the_EF_scale_and_alot_of_tornado_pages. back in 2018. The current US govt. weather.com page ought to be the correct source for the colors but on that webpage they look a lot more washed-out. Maybe you need to take the discussion back to the Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lolkikmoddi The original version of the article in 2007] seems to use the same color scheme as I see today, so can you clarify what differences you mean? Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- oh thanks, also the ip you should make a account, not saying you need to but anyway thanks Lolkikmoddi (talk) 18:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding Photos
To add another photo to an article, does one have to submit it to Wikimedia before adding it to the relative article on Wikipedia? Cjmodica (talk) 22:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica Short answer: yes! Most images used in Wikipedia are hosted on Wikimedia Commons, so they can be used on any of the language projects. There are a few images hosted on the English Wikipedia for use only here, as explained at WP:FAIRUSE Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Right. An image in an article must be hosted by Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. We do not link to externally-hosted images. Wikimedia Commons can have only images that are in the public domain or have been released by the copyright holder (the photographer) under an acceptable free license (as described in WP:CONSENT). Wikipedia (not Commons) can have small, low-resolution/cropped "fair use" non-free images that are used in one place only for a specific purpose. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Looking for sections to expand on
Hi, I just submitted an article for review Draft:Organic Sunscreen . Would anybody be keen on providing feedback, please? Also, now that is almost complete I am wondering if there are any points made in there that would be helpful to expand on? The overall category I want to work on is sunscreen, the organic community and veganism. DemocratGreen (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- DemocratGreen,
I've read the lead of your draft, and I'm left wondering whether it's about a particular branded product "Organic Sunscreen", or a category of sunscreens "organic sunscreen".I see now that my confusion was caused by your excessive use of capital letters, which continues throughout the draft. The name is also puzzling, and may need explanation: it seems that an "organic sunscreen" is one which does not contain organic active ingredients (such as avobenzone). Maproom (talk) 08:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC) - @DemocratGreen As an (ex) professional chemist, I'm concerned that your wording is very confusing. The sunscreen you are describing is entirely made of chemicals: the subset used including zinc oxide are classified by the chemical community as inorganic chemicals. It is not you personally who has hijacked the word "organic" in the sense that the organic movement uses it but I think you need to link to that article and somehow ensure you are not suggesting this sunscreen contains organic chemicals. The suggestion in the first sentence of the lead that the sunscreen is "chemical-free" is, frankly, preposterous. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed. It seems that most of the standards organisations listed in the draft share the view that zinc oxide is organic and avobenzone is not. This makes me question the credibility of those organisations. And I wonder how many customers will think "organic suncream? I'm not buying that. I want good old tried-and-tested ZnO and TiO2. I'm not spreading dodgy organic chemicals on my skin." Maproom (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Firstly, thanks for the help@Michael D. Turnbull@Maproom! That is a really good point you made with the organic part being confusing. The reason they use an organic standard is because originally standards such as the USDA and EcoCert were for agricultural goods, in which the organic process is beneficial as you are avoiding chemical pesticides. The same applied to cosmetics as consumers wanted organic ingredients and extracts which is why there are brands like Dr. Organic. With sunscreen the inactives would be same as an organic cosmetic, but the active would be mineral. At which point I think certifying bodies classify / frame avobenzone as a petrochemical, considering the processing that goes into making it, despite it technically being an organic compound. Organic is therefore related to the terms of the process and not related to the compound. Chemical-free is not accurate rather petrochemical-free sunscreen would be a better fit, unless you have a better suggestion, thank you. It is important to ensure the article does not suggest that certified organic sunscreen contains organic chemicals, as suggested, thank you. Avobenzone and Octycrylene are the dodgiest. But most of the petrochemical ones are made of benzoic acid anyways which easily breaks down into benzene [2]. DemocratGreen (talk) 23:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @DemocratGreen, @Michael D. Turnbull: Michael, you said "the suggestion in the first sentence of the lead that the sunscreen is "chemical-free" is, frankly, preposterous." and DemocratGreen echoes this.
- As a friend of mine used to say, nothing is free of chemicals; alternatively, every substance on Earth contains chemicals. And molecules, and atoms, and quarks, and leptons.
- And yes, that "organic"
workingwording is extremely confusing. David10244 (talk) 01:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Firstly, thanks for the help@Michael D. Turnbull@Maproom! That is a really good point you made with the organic part being confusing. The reason they use an organic standard is because originally standards such as the USDA and EcoCert were for agricultural goods, in which the organic process is beneficial as you are avoiding chemical pesticides. The same applied to cosmetics as consumers wanted organic ingredients and extracts which is why there are brands like Dr. Organic. With sunscreen the inactives would be same as an organic cosmetic, but the active would be mineral. At which point I think certifying bodies classify / frame avobenzone as a petrochemical, considering the processing that goes into making it, despite it technically being an organic compound. Organic is therefore related to the terms of the process and not related to the compound. Chemical-free is not accurate rather petrochemical-free sunscreen would be a better fit, unless you have a better suggestion, thank you. It is important to ensure the article does not suggest that certified organic sunscreen contains organic chemicals, as suggested, thank you. Avobenzone and Octycrylene are the dodgiest. But most of the petrochemical ones are made of benzoic acid anyways which easily breaks down into benzene [2]. DemocratGreen (talk) 23:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed. It seems that most of the standards organisations listed in the draft share the view that zinc oxide is organic and avobenzone is not. This makes me question the credibility of those organisations. And I wonder how many customers will think "organic suncream? I'm not buying that. I want good old tried-and-tested ZnO and TiO2. I'm not spreading dodgy organic chemicals on my skin." Maproom (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Need help in creating wikipedia page
Hi Everyone hope all are doing well. I have been trying to create a wikipedia page about one organization. After submitting the article, wikipedia decline my submission referring "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia." I have added 2 reference one of the website and other is from a news website. Can someone guide me? Vikram12kr (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Vikram12kr Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I left you an explanation at the top of your draft, it's right under the decline message. Do you have a question about it? I would also ask you if you are associated with this organization. 08:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Vikram12kr, I assume that this is about Draft:Statecraft Global Affairs Daily. It provides no evidence that its subject is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. The first source it cites is not independent of the subject, the second does not even mention the subject. Maproom (talk) 08:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Note: OP has been blocked for undisclosed paid editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Metre or Meter
In the Wikipedia page of the Krymsky Bridge, I saw metre being used instead of meter. Should I change it or leave it alone? Castwarper (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Castwarper: You should not change the regional variety of English used in the article, per MOS:RETAIN. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 16:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Castwarper welcome to the wonderful world of WP:ENGVAR. In this case the occasional spelling of metre should be changed to meter to be consistent with the rest of the article under MOS:RETAIN as the US spelling has been used since the article was created. Nthep (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Use whichever one is more-often used. If an article is written mostly in American English but has a few metre's, convert them to meter. Vice versa, if an article is written mostly in British English, the metre's would be left, and any stray meters should instead be converted the other way. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- It also depends on the context of the subject. UK-centric subjects should use UK spelling. The cider article, for example, was originally written with US spelling and remained that way for years until people started inserting UK spelling, and now it is entirely British. This makes sense because the UK produces and consumes more cider than anywhere else. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Castwarper, the choice between "metre" and "meter" isn't necessarily analogous to that between, say, "colour" and "color", in that "metre" is pretty much the international standard for the English spelling: "meter" is more or less US-specific. Is this so; and if so, does it matter? This is the kind of thing better asked at the MOS talk page. Though as only a dimwitted minority of readers would fail to realize that "metre" means "meter" or vice versa, I'd have thought that this would be a non-issue. -- Hoary (talk) 22:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- "Metre" does not mean "meter". A metre is a measure of distance. A meter is a device for measuring something, typically something flowing or similar. Using the same spelling for both meanings seems dimwitted to me, when a practical, almost globally recognised alternative is available. HiLo48 (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's incorrect: metre is used much more in British English; one will see meter in American English to refer to the SI unit.Refer to the Merriam-Webster entries on meter and metre, an American English source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- You seem to have agreed with me while declaring what I wrote to be incorrect. HiLo48 (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm pointing out that the distinction in orthography isn't recognised in American English. A meter is a measure of distance in the US. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)"Metre" does not mean "meter". A metre is a measure of distance. A meter is a device for measuring something, typically something flowing or similar.
- You seem to have agreed with me while declaring what I wrote to be incorrect. HiLo48 (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 Using the same spelling for both meanings might SEEM dimwitted, but there are lots of words in American English that are this way. Like bat (animal and sports equipment, and also a verb); minute (a length of time, adjective meaning small); second; fine; project; and many more. Do you want to change American English? David10244 (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'd love too, but it's probably a lost cause. HiLo48 (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 Do you mean "love to"? (Smile) David10244 (talk) 15:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Would you also like to change UK usage where it is less specific than US usage? For example, does using "boot" for both an article of footwear and a storage compartment in an automobile seem dimwitted to you? Perhaps you should try to convince all UK speaker to use the more specific "trunk" for the latter. In any case, it seems inappropriate to have this discussion in the Teahouse where it may lead newer editors to think that they should violate WP:ENGVAR by changing "meter" to "metre" in articles with US spelling. CodeTalker (talk) 16:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'd love too, but it's probably a lost cause. HiLo48 (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's incorrect: metre is used much more in British English; one will see meter in American English to refer to the SI unit.Refer to the Merriam-Webster entries on meter and metre, an American English source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- "Metre" does not mean "meter". A metre is a measure of distance. A meter is a device for measuring something, typically something flowing or similar. Using the same spelling for both meanings seems dimwitted to me, when a practical, almost globally recognised alternative is available. HiLo48 (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- A regular concern is the Americans who write gas as a slang form/short-form of gasoline; I usually change this to fuel. 'Gas' is a substance that is neither solid nor liquid; anything else must be gas (I have a hard citation for this, think it's 1942).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Rocknrollmancer Solid, Liquid, Gas, or Plasma. There's a fourth choice! David10244 (talk) 01:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, David10244, I appreciate it; I will read further when time allows "...although not freely existing under normal conditions on Earth". I semi-trained as a welder many years ago and was aware of the technology and processes at the time (that allows the molten metal to be deposited via a plasma arc).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, plasmas are weird. Probably like you, I learned "solid, liquid, or gas" in high school -- those are certainly the three "normal" states of matter. I was always fascinated by "sublimation", where a solid can turn into a gas without going through a liquid phase -- like CO2 dry ice. David10244 (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, David10244, I appreciate it; I will read further when time allows "...although not freely existing under normal conditions on Earth". I semi-trained as a welder many years ago and was aware of the technology and processes at the time (that allows the molten metal to be deposited via a plasma arc).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Rocknrollmancer Solid, Liquid, Gas, or Plasma. There's a fourth choice! David10244 (talk) 01:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
WP:SURNAME confusion
I'm a frequent contributor here, but now I have a question of my own.
I'm trying to figure out how WP:SURNAME should be applied consistently in articles about Pakistani officials.
For example, consider Ziauddin Butt. The subject is referred to as "Ziauddin" or "General Ziauddin" throughout the article. The very same article also refers to Nawaz Sharif in the lead as "Sharif" but in the article about him, he is referred to as "Nawaz". And yet the same lead paragraph also refers to General Pervez Musharraf as "Musharraf" and the article about him also refers to him as "Musharraf" not "Pervez".
If we were to be consistent with WP:SURNAME, how should those three articles refer to their subjects? There is no consistency between them now. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Culture-specific usages does mention South Asia, but I'm not sure if it applies in these cases. Maybe someone from WP:WikiProject Pakistan could clarify the situation? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, it didn't occur to me to try the Wikiproject. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
(once again) userboxes
How do you make a list of all the userboxes? im trying to make a good user page that is readable Lolkikmoddi (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lolkikmoddi, your user page is already readable. You already have userboxes. Please expend your energy on improving articles rather than merely prettifying. -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hoary, with respect, if you can't be helpful, why say anything at all? — Jumbo T (talk) 08:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Jumbo T, I think that if half the energy that went into the selection, positioning, etc of userboxes were instead expended on improving articles, Wikipedia as a whole would be non-trivially improved. I could of course be wrong. What's your guess? -- Hoary (talk) 08:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- No no, I agree with you. It's just that the Teahouse is a place where editors come to get help. You are under no obligation to reply to anything posted here. So if you can't help someone, why say anything at all? — Jumbo T (talk) 08:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not do this to death, Jumbo T, but: In order to nudge them away from "trivial pursuit" and towards the grand goal of creating The Greatest Repository Of Human Knowledge The Universe Will Ever See (or something like that), to which epochal creation their contribution may well lead to curiosity about whatever userboxes or other fripperies (bouncing Wikipedia globes, puppy photos, stress-level quasi-thermometers...) they've cared to place on their user pages. But perhaps my phrasing needs improvement. (Lolkikmoddi, happy editing! Seriously.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- No no, I agree with you. It's just that the Teahouse is a place where editors come to get help. You are under no obligation to reply to anything posted here. So if you can't help someone, why say anything at all? — Jumbo T (talk) 08:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Jumbo T, I think that if half the energy that went into the selection, positioning, etc of userboxes were instead expended on improving articles, Wikipedia as a whole would be non-trivially improved. I could of course be wrong. What's your guess? -- Hoary (talk) 08:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hoary, with respect, if you can't be helpful, why say anything at all? — Jumbo T (talk) 08:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Do you want a list of all the possible choices or to take a few userboxes you already have and make them into a list? RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- While Hoary is not hindered by an excess of tact, there have been past incidences of editors who put far more effort into their User page appearance than in helping improve the encyclopedia, to the point that they were blocked (see WP:NOTHERE). David notMD (talk) 10:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- i just wanted my user profile to looks good and readable ;-; Lolkikmoddi (talk) 12:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- As Hoary said, your user page looks good, and it's readable. Cheers. David10244 (talk) 02:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- i just wanted my user profile to looks good and readable ;-; Lolkikmoddi (talk) 12:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- While Hoary is not hindered by an excess of tact, there have been past incidences of editors who put far more effort into their User page appearance than in helping improve the encyclopedia, to the point that they were blocked (see WP:NOTHERE). David notMD (talk) 10:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Write a new page
How can I publish new information ? Shayanne Aug (talk) 23:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please read and study Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Since you're a new editor, I recommend starting with Wikipedia:Articles for creation first. RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Consider gaining experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Since you're a new editor, I recommend starting with Wikipedia:Articles for creation first. RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
dont know anything
please help 99.45.217.53 (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- You know how to delete chunks of articles, and how to draw attention to it. So I've given you a break from editing. -- Hoary (talk) 01:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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New article
Is there a list of undocumented topics for new wiki articles?
Thanks Mogh Roith (talk) 01:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Mogh Roith see WP:Most wanted articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- You could also check WP:RA for a list of an extreme backlog of requested articles. Iscargra (talk) 06:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that Iscarga and Sundogtemple
Mogh Roith (talk) 09:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Joe Diffie 1990's Singles Discography
Hi, I noticed an omission on the Joe Diffie 1990's Singles Discography, and can't figure out how to add it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Diffie_discography#1990s_2
Under the "Life's So Funny" LP singles, the fourth entry after "Whole Lotta Gone", and before "This Is Your Brain", should be a single called "Down In A Ditch" that didn't chart. The 45 was on Epic 34 78268. Can someone add it? I would like a reply if I could.
Thanks. City5705boy (talk) 03:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- City5705boy, please point this out at the foot of Talk:Joe Diffie discography, saying how you know this to be so. -- Hoary (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
My article deleted
The editor saying its notability issue and Wikipedia saying it looks like advertising article. Raviwiki5 (talk) 04:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, Raviwiki5, Draft:StarAndDaisy was deleted twice. Do you have a question? -- Hoary (talk) 06:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I write a new article can someone check is notability
Please check the notability and writing style, is it correct or not and please let me know here. This article is very important for me to be published.
Draft:StarAndDaisy - Wikipedia Raviwiki5 (talk) 04:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Very little in this draft is referenced, Raviwiki5. I have trouble discerning notability. -- Hoary (talk) 06:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Raviwiki5, and welcome to the Teahouse. My first advice to you is to put aside the extremely challenging task of creating a new article for a few months, as you learn more about how Wikipedia works by making small but substantive edits to existing articles. You have started by doing some copyediting, which is a good way to start (though only some of your edits were helpful - some were wrongly changing the variety of English in articles). But to leap straight from that to trying to create an article isa big step. It's like starting to learn the violin, playing a few exercises, and then suddenly trying to give a public recital.
- The tricky thing for most people to learn to handle is sourcing. In order to establish that a subject is notable, you need to find several sources, each of which is all three of reliable, independent, and contining significant coverage of the subject. Neither of the two references in your draft contains significant coverage of the company - they are routine announcements - and nor are they independent (they both quote the company). I suspect they are both derived from a single press release.
- Unless you can find some suitable sources, every single thing you do towards creating this draft will be wasted effort. ColinFine (talk) 10:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- You wrote "This article is very important for me to be published." That strongly suggests you have a personal and/or paid connection to the company. Per the comment left on your Talk page, it is essential that you declare your connection on your User page before doing any more work on the current draft of an article that was previously Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Need help understanding Notability and what is considered when notability is not recognised
We believe our business is ground breaking and we are building something that should be documented we have been featured in the news, conferences, niche blogs and television.
How can we get our article published? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Africarare MamboAfrica (talk) 07:05, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- The stated reason on the draft page for why your submission was declined was that the editor believed your topic did not have enough reliable, secondary coverage that is strictly independent of the subject to be notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Review WP:NOTE and WP:RS for more information on notability and reliable sources. Iscargra (talk) 07:14, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- In my opinion they meet those criteria. MamboAfrica (talk) 07:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- It may be helpful for you to ask at the AfC Help Desk to see if a reviewer there can help you improve your draft. Iscargra (talk) 07:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- In my opinion they meet those criteria. MamboAfrica (talk) 07:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- MamboAfrica, the most frequently cited website is bizcommunity.com. This website solicits PR stuff. And the only page from the website that I looked at among those which are referenced liberally quotes people who are not disinterested. I suspect that it's too soon for good sources and therefore too soon for an article. Why not wait a year? -- Hoary (talk) 08:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Every business thinks that what they do is ground breaking. What matters is if others say what the business does is ground breaking. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- OP blocked as a sockpuppet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Lifelong Expression, by Roberta Flack
I have had a lifelong admiration for Roberta Flack, and think the length of her successful career should be celebrated.Bold 68.187.160.34 (talk) 10:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm assuming you are referring to Roberta Flack. Wikipedia is not a place to celebrate or honor someone; it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. If you have information you wish to contribute to that article, please do so- you may wish to discuss it on the article talk page(Talk:Roberta Flack) first. 331dot (talk) 10:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Userbox source code
If you see a userbox that someone is using which is almost the userbox you want but not quite, is there a way to see its source? סשס Grimmchild 10:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Grimmchild User boxes are implemented in the same way as other templates. To see the source code you need to navigate to the template page, for example {{User Chemist}}, and then use the edit tab on that page. You can search for templates in the Wikipedia search box by entering template:foo to find the template for foo. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- And just as other templates often call templates, Grimmchild, userbox templates often call templates that themselves not infrequently call templates. Investigating this may bring on a certain kind of dizziness. -- Hoary (talk) 11:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Status of the exhibits
In the light of the recent re-opening of a portion of the main building, the description of the status of the exhibits needs updating. 67.84.216.123 (talk) 11:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Why then, make this suggestion at the foot of the talk page that accompanies the article about this museum or whatever it is. -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Unsourced
I found some unsourced information in an article, for which I finally found only one source online. It was the page of a person (he reveals his name at the beginning of this net site) who had written a lot of texts without a source. Now I would like to remove these texts cited by Wiki. Can I take 3-4 clearly false statements close to the original quoted passage of the source or how should I justify the deletion? I would like to make it subtly. 2001:2003:F642:2200:E004:A19D:5609:9B01 (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Per WP:UNSOURCED:
Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed
, but you might like to consider other alternatives, such as tagging the text with [citation needed]. Shantavira|feed me 13:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you. This unique and large information is very hard to be verified, and it has been in Wiki for over 10 years. So I think it's no use to tag it (and to put others to hard work) because I have searched for verification many days for it. I delete it right away and put a text in talk page and summary: "Unverified information from a source that contains fact and fiction. If you disagree I can show the address of this net site and some of its false statements." 2001:2003:F642:2200:E004:A19D:5609:9B01 (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you remove it. If anybody objects, they can revert or discuss. See WP:BOLD. ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ColinFine always learning from your answers on teahouse. In this context I have one question. What should be done if the supporting citation is not available because that event took place 50 years ago and it was only available in print newspapers? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ANLgrad, being published in 50 year old print newspapers does not make a source unavailable. Records survive from publications much older than that. If someone knows that there were articles published and can cite them, it's possible for someone else to find them. (50 years ago is only... what... 1972?) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, yes I actually meant something which is much older, may be in early 1900s. If we can't get any citation, what is the best approach? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ANLgrad, if you have genuinely tried to find a source and have come to the conclusion that it's impossible, the information should be removed. Verifiability is one of our policies. But being difficult to find is not the same as impossible, and there may be resources you are unaware of unless you ask around. The early 1900s isn't out of reach for archives in many countries. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that does make sense to me. Thank you for confirming. I was under the same impression that just because one could not find a source, that doesn't mean it is not available at all. ANLgrad (talk) 15:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Also, is there a place where old archived news papers could be found for research and providing citations? Thank you for your help. ANLgrad (talk) 15:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:LOONA Samnaderi (talk) 16:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- There are many such archives, ANLgrad, such as Newspapers.com. Often they are subscription services, but that does not preclude using them. The WP:Resource exchange can often be of help in accessing sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- And if physically visiting a repository of old journals is necessary, that still counts as 'available'. Some years ago, when editor of another encyclopaedia (of sorts) on railway-related matters, I travelled to London on several occasions to search for information in 19th-century railway journals stored in the basement stacks of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. Sometimes effort on this scale might be necessary. (To be fair, I was actually being paid for that research.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.172.49 (talk) 21:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ANLgrad, if you have genuinely tried to find a source and have come to the conclusion that it's impossible, the information should be removed. Verifiability is one of our policies. But being difficult to find is not the same as impossible, and there may be resources you are unaware of unless you ask around. The early 1900s isn't out of reach for archives in many countries. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, yes I actually meant something which is much older, may be in early 1900s. If we can't get any citation, what is the best approach? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ANLgrad, being published in 50 year old print newspapers does not make a source unavailable. Records survive from publications much older than that. If someone knows that there were articles published and can cite them, it's possible for someone else to find them. (50 years ago is only... what... 1972?) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ColinFine always learning from your answers on teahouse. In this context I have one question. What should be done if the supporting citation is not available because that event took place 50 years ago and it was only available in print newspapers? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you remove it. If anybody objects, they can revert or discuss. See WP:BOLD. ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. This unique and large information is very hard to be verified, and it has been in Wiki for over 10 years. So I think it's no use to tag it (and to put others to hard work) because I have searched for verification many days for it. I delete it right away and put a text in talk page and summary: "Unverified information from a source that contains fact and fiction. If you disagree I can show the address of this net site and some of its false statements." 2001:2003:F642:2200:E004:A19D:5609:9B01 (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
How to address {advert} warning
Our page has a warning label which indicates that it is written in promotional tone. I have a COI so can't touch the editing process, but wanted to request help in rewriting? Or at least pointing to the sections which have been deemed promotional? I don't see any glaring promotional or advertising language...
Link to page: Education Development Center
Can someone help? Commandpitch (talk) 14:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Commandpitch Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would correct you in that it is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about your organization. This is a subtle but important distinction. You are welcome to propose changes to the article in the form of an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, Talk:Education Development Center. I suspect the article is marked as an advertisement because it merely documents the existence of the organization and tells what it does- which is not what Wikipedia is looking for. The article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely telling what the organization does, and goes into detail about what the source sees as influential or important about it. 331dot (talk) 14:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Commandpitch, welcome back. I can see why the advert tag was added; the very first sentence sounds a bit promo-y, and it doesn't get any better as the article goes on. If I were to try a rewrite, I'd start by dialing way back on anything derived from primary, non-independent sources, and taking a good look at what any secondary, independent, reliable sources cited in the article say - the areas they focus on and the wording they use. Any laudatory language, if I felt it really should be included, would be quoted instead of stated in Wikipedia's voice. Obviously this would take quite a bit of time and effort, which is why you may not find many folks jumping up to volunteer. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Commandpitch, remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Text based on what the subject says (or what its associates say) is likely to read like an ad: this is not just a matter of language but also of content. The things that a company wants to tell the world about itself are often not what Wikipedia is interested in. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Question
how to desysop an admin? 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
331dot I'm not blocked, what the hell are you talking about? 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Let's keep things civil, please. There is a partial block on your IP range, see the block log. If you have nothing to do with editing those pages, I would suggest creating an account so you aren't confused with others. If you know nothing about the block, why do you want to desysop an admin? 331dot (talk) 14:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
331dot, well that's not me. 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Do you know Knightrises10? 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know any more than what it says on their page. If you are saying that's not you, again, please create an account. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Can someone please check
Hello, I have made some contributions on this page after a thorough research and checking in WP:RS citations - Foreign relations of Taiwan#United_States Since this is a sensitive topic, can I request someone to check my contributions and add if I missed out on something. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 14:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ANLgrad That article has about 180 page watchers according to its information page. You are likely to get much better comments from them via its Talk Page than you will from those who hang out at the Teahouse to help people with process more than content. So you just need to wait and continue to watch there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull thank you. Understood. I didn't know there were so many watchers on the page. ANLgrad (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- For any article, click on View history and then Page views. Right side of screen will show number of watchers. As you have made several edits, consider starting a new discussion on the Talk page to declare your intentions. David notMD (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ANLgrad I see a "page information" link in the left-side-menu. At least, in desktop mode; not sure about mobile. David10244 (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD When I click Page History, I don't see anything labeled "Page views". I even CTRL-F searched the history page. Different options or a different skin perhaps? David10244 (talk) 02:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- ANLgrad After I click on View history at the top, that accesses the chronological list of all edits. Across the top of that page is External tools: which includes Page views. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David10244 (pinging as it was you who asked). As David said.... Also you can do it in one click from the article's page by using the "Page information" tool on the menus to the left in PC browsers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull, @ANLgrad So it's not View History and then Page Views, as David notMD said, but View History, then External Tools, then Page Views. Got it, thanks! David10244 (talk) 07:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD When I click Page History, I don't see anything labeled "Page views". I even CTRL-F searched the history page. Different options or a different skin perhaps? David10244 (talk) 02:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull thank you. Understood. I didn't know there were so many watchers on the page. ANLgrad (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Easy way to add stub templates?
I had a similar question about WikProjects but found Rater. I am wondering if there is an equivalent for stubs. RPI2026F1 (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- For clarification, I want to be able to easily add one or more stub templates to the bottom of a page and I don't want to have to go into VisualEditor and search a list of all stub templates. Ideally it would be a list where I can start typing in names, for example like Bangla... and a list would pop up including Bangladesh school and any other stub templates with a prefix of Bangla. RPI2026F1 (talk) 15:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @RPI2026F1 I'm not sure I fully understand what you want but I think you just need to use the standard Wikipedia search box and type template: followed by the name you want to see. So typing "template:bangla.... " will start to offer suggestions, just like any search does. Once you find the template {{Bangladesh-school-stub}}, I'm sure you know you can use the "What links here" Tool option to find the pages that have the tag. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well yes I can do that but it's time consuming. I would much rather like a box where I can just put into it "Bangladesh school" and it'll put the bangladesh school stub template into the right place. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- RPI2026F1, the user scripts User:Danski454/stubsearch and User:SD0001/StubSorter look similar to what you're trying to do. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well yes I can do that but it's time consuming. I would much rather like a box where I can just put into it "Bangladesh school" and it'll put the bangladesh school stub template into the right place. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @RPI2026F1 I'm not sure I fully understand what you want but I think you just need to use the standard Wikipedia search box and type template: followed by the name you want to see. So typing "template:bangla.... " will start to offer suggestions, just like any search does. Once you find the template {{Bangladesh-school-stub}}, I'm sure you know you can use the "What links here" Tool option to find the pages that have the tag. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion challenge
I've had my first experience with Speedy deletions today, but I couldn't find a concrete reason for why a subject page I was working on was suddenly deleted! Could someone run me through whether it's the use of incorrect/insufficient references, or something else, please?
Regarding - Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev Plantlover3000 (talk) 15:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your references are not notable enough. Half of them don't even mention the person the article is about. RPI2026F1 (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Plantlover3000 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems that you are attempting to write about yourself, while this is not absolutely forbidden, it is highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy. You should have left the draft as a Draft and submitted it for a review via Articles for Creation. As noted, your references are not sufficient. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- You have contested the SD nomination of Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev on the article's talk page, but it may go forward anyway. I concur that the refs never mention Yakovlev. I recommend you copy all of the content to your computer before it vanishes, as SD'd content also vanishes from your editing history. David notMD (talk) 15:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Too late. David notMD (talk) 15:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not too late, it's still at Draft:Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Too late. David notMD (talk) 15:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- You have contested the SD nomination of Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev on the article's talk page, but it may go forward anyway. I concur that the refs never mention Yakovlev. I recommend you copy all of the content to your computer before it vanishes, as SD'd content also vanishes from your editing history. David notMD (talk) 15:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Plantlover3000.
- As others have already said, many of the references provided in the article Draft:Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev are not directly relevant to the article's subject as they do not specifically mention the person in question. Also, the references provided do not meet Wikipedia's requirements for reliable sources: sources must be independent, ie. not affiliated with the subject of the article, and verifiable, ie. not original research. Perhaps check out Help:Find sources#Types of sources for more guidance on what can be accepted as a source.
- In order to merit a Wikipedia article, a subject should be notable enough to have received coverage from a variety of reputable, reliable sources; I would recommend you take a look at Wikipedia:Notability for more details on what is required for a subject to merit a new article.
- Again, this has already been mentioned, but Draft:Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev does read like self-promotion/advertising... Maybe have a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (specifically WP:SOAP) and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (and/or Wikipedia:Autobiography) to see if Advertising or Conflict of Interest guidelines are relevant to your situation.
- I hope this helps! Pineapple Storage (talk) 20:09, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
hi,
I'm new here and I want to support the wikilove program but every time i try it does not work,
pls help
A1ex26 (talk) 15:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Blocked as a sockpuppet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Topicon
Hello! I qualify for the Level 4 Journeyman Ribbon, but I don’t see a topicon for this, is there one and I’m just missing it? If not, is there a way to make one or request to have on made? Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 17:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Orson12345: It looks like you can use {{Journeyman_Editor_topicon}} with the parameter level=4 RudolfRed (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @RudolfRed: Ha I completely missed that! Thank you so much! Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 18:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
returning a page to draft
I was working on a page "Sfold" a new page. I discovered that the spellchecker had created Draft Sold instead. I opened Sfold, which was a red link and copied the Sold page into the new page, which was initially blank.
Now the page is somehow in mainspace, rather than in draft space. How do I move it back into draft space?
Is there actually documentation for this process somewhere.
William Rennie DOHrennie (talk) 18:01, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi DOHrennie, welcome to the Teahouse. You should have moved the page from Draft:Sold to Draft:Sfold and not copy-pasted the content. Once it was accidentally in mainspace, an administrator or page mover was required because normal users cannot move a page without leaving behind a redirect. Asking here is fine. Sfold has been moved to Draft:Sfold. I have made a history merge of Draft:Sold and Draft:Sfold. That also requires an administrator. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Done by DoubleGrazing. Maproom (talk) 19:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
John P. Noonan
I need help editing my article about John P. Noonan. Specifically, there is some text missing that appears clearly in the sandbox but missing after I click on "publish". Also, John was my teacher and mentor; how to make that clear before submitting? Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 18:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jeff Neuhauser, welcome to the Teahouse. Please always be specific when you report a problem, e.g. quoting missing text so we don't have to compare source and rendered page to find what is missing in a whole article. I have changed an ending
<ref>
to</ref>
.[3] This revealed two lines. If anything else is missing, say what it is. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)- Hello, PrimeHunter! Thank you for your prompt reply and thanks for your patience with me. Another question, if you don't mind: I have a photograph of John Noonan to include with my submission (dating back to c. 1930); it's probably not copyrighted. Can I still use it? Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Jeff Neuhauser, it very well may be copyrighted. There's a table at top right here which lays out the rather complicated rules. Do you know who took the photograph? Was it ever published? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, again, for replying so promptly. I'm "this close" to submission thanks to your help today. Cheers! /s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 20:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Jeff Neuhauser, it very well may be copyrighted. There's a table at top right here which lays out the rather complicated rules. Do you know who took the photograph? Was it ever published? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, PrimeHunter! Thank you for your prompt reply and thanks for your patience with me. Another question, if you don't mind: I have a photograph of John Noonan to include with my submission (dating back to c. 1930); it's probably not copyrighted. Can I still use it? Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- To disclose a WP:COI place {{UserboxCOI}} on your user page. Sungodtemple (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jeff if you are create an article of someone who is closely related to you or that you have personal ties with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view will be a great place to look at so you can make sure that your amazing article doesn't get deleted. Best of luck and welcome to Wikipedia! Tdshe/her 19:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Draft at User:Jeff Neuhauser/sandbox David notMD (talk) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Website taking too long to respond?
It's probably just me, but is anyone else getting the "Wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond" error while trying to load pages? Realtent (talk) 19:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I get that occasionally but find it to be temporary. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I got several similar errors around when you posted. It works better now. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:14, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Realtent Might just be Russian bots objecting to the "On this day" on the main page currently! Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Uploading an approved picture on Wikimedia to Wikipedia
How do I put an approved picture in Wikimedia on Wikipedia? Cjmodica (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- You'll find the answer at Help:Pictures - David Biddulph (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjmodica: Images you have uploaded have not been "approved". You cannot release it to the Wikimedia Foundation unless you are the copyright holder (the photographer, not the "owner" of the picture or the subject of the picture). See WP:CONSENT and have the copyright holder provide the proper affidavit to the Virtual Response Team. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Can you follow/watch user contributions?
Hi, I'm wondering if it's possible to watch users' contributions in a similar way to watching pages on a watchlist. Like, I want to be able to follow a number of users and see a feed of their new edits in one place. Like a special:contributions page but with multiple users. It seems like a feature that should exist and I don't know if I'm just too unobservant to figure out where it is. Alecnotalex (talk) 01:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Alecnotalex. Just as you can click on your watchlist at any time, you can go to a user page or user talk page and click on "User contributions" to see what that user has been working on. For example, I just noticed that you made an edit to Columbian exchange, an article that is on my watchlist about a topic I find to be fascinating. However, there is no feed function as you describe. Cullen328 (talk) 01:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but I would like to see the contributions of multiple "watched" users all in one place, rather than having to look at each user's individual contributions page separately. Is that a feature that exists? Thanks for the response. Alecnotalex (talk) 01:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, I just read that you said the feature I'm looking for doesn't exist. I guess there's probably not a demand for it. Thank you! Alecnotalex (talk) 01:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, you shouldn't be monitoring the edits of a specific user. See WP:HOUNDING for how that is a path that can get you in trouble. There are legitimate reasons to go through someone's edit history when a problem is found, but no one should be actively monitoring another editor indefinitely. Slywriter (talk) 02:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- This feature has been in great demand, but was never built, indeed due to wiki-hounding concerns (as described at that link). Graham87 06:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but I would like to see the contributions of multiple "watched" users all in one place, rather than having to look at each user's individual contributions page separately. Is that a feature that exists? Thanks for the response. Alecnotalex (talk) 01:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Contact the page creator in order provide updated information
Kate McDonald gymnastics Epod1396 (talk) 01:51, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Epod1396. The primary author of that article is Mypurplelightsaber. However, the best place to discuss improvements to that article is at Talk:Kate McDonald (gymnast). Any information that you want to add should be supported by a reliable, published source. Cullen328 (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
1933 MacDonald Brier
My grandfather was the skip of the Manitoba curling team in the 1933 MacDonald Brier and his name features in the article. His teammates have personal information but he does not. I am a newbie and to be honest not likely to become a regular author.
I have written the article in my sandbox at User:Lorne D1947/sandbox and would appreciate input so as to not have it rejected too many times.
The 1933 MacDonald Brier link is 1933 Macdonald Brier
Thanks Lorne D1947 (talk) 03:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Lorne D1947. Two of your three references are to other Wikipedia articles. This is not permitted, per WP:CIRCULAR. One Wikipedia article can never be used as a reference in another Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 04:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Cullen328
- I have removed the references but replaced the names of 2 individuals with links so the name is in blue and the reference to them can be read by mousing over. Is this acceptable? I have seen this used before. Lorne D1947 (talk) 21:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lorne D1947: for a person to have an article, they must be notable by wikipedia standards, and must be backed up by at least 2 or 3 reliable sources. currently, your article is sourced to the curling canada hall of fame, and two wikipedia articles. the first source can be used, but you cannot cite wikipedia articles.
- your article would be rejected as it does not have adequate sourcing. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lorne D1947 I left a message for you on your Talk page regarding an additional reference I found. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Karenthewriter
- Thanks for the Owen Sound newspaper article. I am not a member of the newspaper archive but I do have very poor images of the Free Press articles printed from an old microfiche machine. They are too poor to attach but I wonder if I inserted excerpts from them in my text as you did and reference them. There is far too much text in the Free Press articles to insert but it may make John Douglas seem more notable. I have also removed the circular references and inserted them as links which shows the names of the 2 Johnsons' in blue and the information can be read by mousing over. I have seen this in Wikipedia articles so I hope this is ok?
- Thanks for your help Lorne D1947 (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- You don't want to be inserting a lot of excerpts from newspaper articles, you want to read the article, and then use your own words to give the information. If you copy word-for-word what someone else wrote you'll be violating a copyright law, and you don't want to do that. As an example, you may be looking for when someone got married, and find a 1960 newspaper notice stating "The happy couple wed during a moonlight ceremony on June fifth." Take the facts and write "Robert Roe married Jane Doe on June 5, 1960." Right after that you give the reference citation for where you got that information, because all the facts you add need a reference to show readers where you got your data.
- You can give one or two short exact quotes, but that quote must be in quotation marks, immediately followed by a reference citation.
- Have you read Help:Your first article? It is difficult to write an acceptable Wikipedia article, especially if you haven't spent a long time editing other Wikipedia articles, to help you learn what is included in a good article.
- I'm not sure what you mean by inserting the circular references as links, as I don't see those links in what is in your User page. You can add Wikipedia links in a section at the bottom of your article, if you name that section "See also" or a similar title. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Lettherebedarklight
- I have removed the references but replaced the names of 2 individuals with links so the name is in blue and the reference to them can be read by mousing over. Is this acceptable? I have seen this used before.
- I have very bad images from the newspaper articles obtained by making prints from an old microfiche machine. I am thinking of entering the text or at least meaningful excerpts to make the person seem more "notable". There is probably far too much text to insert.
- Thanks for your help. Lorne D1947 (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lorne D1947, I do not think this person meets the Notability guideline for curling. Cullen328 (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Lorne D1947 I left a message for you on your Talk page regarding an additional reference I found. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Double standards
My contributions are undone with double standards at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan and the talk page reads controversial thus I am not there, do you think I should game over or go by its fate? Ontheteapot (talk) 04:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Ontheteapot. You are repeatedly adding unreferenced content and personal commentary to that article, and other editors are reverting you, because so far, most or all of your edits violate Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. When several other editors disagree with you, that is an indication that there may be problems with your approach. So, slow down and discuss your proposed changes at Talk: Milan, and only add them back when you have gained consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lots of parts are favourited at the page, arbitrarily picked with no references that provide the relevance they're given, have you read it carefully at all? Ontheteapot (talk) 05:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ontheteapot, I am a 70 year old native English language speaker and I have never heard the word "favourited" before. What does that word mean? Do you understand that you are simply not permitted to add unreferenced content and personal commentary to Wikipedia articles? Cullen328 (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- User:Cullen328 - How do we tell an editor who doesn't seem to be able to speak or read English that their command of English is inadequate to work on a collaborative product that is written and discussed in English? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Robert McClenon, it is difficult, but I will try. Ontheteapot, I suggest that you consider contributing to the version of Wikipedia in your first language instead, at least until your English language skills are significantly better. Cullen328 (talk) 06:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am not the best English writing editor but to disclose your age Sir is a bit out of scope. All Wikipedia versions translate from the English as it's an English project, even zh (Chinese) version does much https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E7%B1%B3%E8%98%AD how could it be otherwise? Ontheteapot (talk) 10:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ontheteapot That is not accurate. Other language versions are not simply translations of this one. Each language version is its own project, with their own editors and policies. While some articles are translated back and forth between the versions, most articles on each version are written independently. 331dot (talk) 10:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- An important point is that English Wikipedia has referencing requirements that are more strict compared to those of some of the other language Wikis, so content permitted in those would be reverted as not adequately referenced at English. Your additions of unreferenced content have been reverted by several editors (me included). David notMD (talk) 11:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ontheteapot That is not accurate. Other language versions are not simply translations of this one. Each language version is its own project, with their own editors and policies. While some articles are translated back and forth between the versions, most articles on each version are written independently. 331dot (talk) 10:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am not the best English writing editor but to disclose your age Sir is a bit out of scope. All Wikipedia versions translate from the English as it's an English project, even zh (Chinese) version does much https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E7%B1%B3%E8%98%AD how could it be otherwise? Ontheteapot (talk) 10:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Robert McClenon, it is difficult, but I will try. Ontheteapot, I suggest that you consider contributing to the version of Wikipedia in your first language instead, at least until your English language skills are significantly better. Cullen328 (talk) 06:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- User:Cullen328 - How do we tell an editor who doesn't seem to be able to speak or read English that their command of English is inadequate to work on a collaborative product that is written and discussed in English? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ontheteapot, I am a 70 year old native English language speaker and I have never heard the word "favourited" before. What does that word mean? Do you understand that you are simply not permitted to add unreferenced content and personal commentary to Wikipedia articles? Cullen328 (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lots of parts are favourited at the page, arbitrarily picked with no references that provide the relevance they're given, have you read it carefully at all? Ontheteapot (talk) 05:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The Visconti of Milan uses the same image and states "child." The Biscione article and Talk page surprisingly do not clarify child vs. man, but it does raise the concept that the snake is disgorging the human, not swallowing. Alfa Romeo uses the biscione image in its logo. David notMD (talk) 12:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- This reference: https://www.academia.edu/36537715/LARALDICA_SFORZESCA_TRA_PESARO_E_MILANO_STORIE_DEGLI_SFORZA_PESARESI
- "L’iconografia dell’
- uomo fra le fauci del biscione
- , si ritrova comunque come stemma dei Visconti
- a partire dall’
- XIsecolo."
- It seems a good academic paper, and in English it says "the iconography of
- man". It's not a child.. that big in 14th century? Can't be. Ontheteapot (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Proper next step is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article, to see if a consensus can be reached. David notMD (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Searching historical wikipedia versions by date
How to search for a wikipedia article based from its editing date? For example, newest and oldest article only show 2022/2021 and 2008/2007 respectively, but i want to find 2017/2018 version of article. How i search for it? Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 06:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert, if I read you correctly, you're looking to see different revisions of the same article through its history. You can do this by selecting the "view history" tab at the top of any article which will bring up all previous revisions of the article in its lifespan. You can then view each individual revision by clicking the time and date of that revision which will show you how the article looked at that time. Hope this helps. Kosack (talk) 06:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Is there device that can search exact date when im want to go to? For example I want to go 2015 version article, "view history" only show newest and oldest 500. Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 07:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not that I know of. What I do is click on "Older 500" to view 500 at a time, until I see the date I am looking for. It doesn't show only newest and oldest 500, the "newer" and "older" links take you to pages. If there are less than 1000 edits, then there can only be newest and oldest. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- On the "View History" page, click the Filter revisions dropdown which lets you choose a certain date to view. StartOkayStop (talk) 07:24, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nice thanks very helpful I thought that was just there as aesthetic. Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 07:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Is there device that can search exact date when im want to go to? For example I want to go 2015 version article, "view history" only show newest and oldest 500. Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 07:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Proposed Text Revision of en.Wikipedia's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" Website
I would like to publish the changes I proposed to Wiki's "No 25 Squadron RAAF" website as per the proposed changes on the site's talk pages. For convenience of others I underlined most of the changes. Question: If I now want to "publish" the changes onto the site, how do I remove or prevent the underlining from being published? Shellac41 (talk) 08:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- You simply omit the <u>...</u> tags. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- The underlining is unnecessary. Anyone who wants to determine the changes you made can do so by clicking "Compare selected revisions" on the page history. Shantavira|feed me 09:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Redirect?
Hello, recently I wanted to create a link to the German village of de:Lorbach, by typing [[Lorbach]]. I expected a red link, as there is no article about this village on the English Wikipedia. Instead I got as result the blue link Lorbach, which apparently is a redirect to the asteroid 1755 Lorbach. Is this correct? Regards Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 09:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Roelof Hendrickx that is "correct" in the sense that there is indeed a current redirect for Lorbach. I think you need to think about what any article about the village would be called and then use the {{ill}} template. So Lorbach (village) should do what you seek. See source code for this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Mike Turnbull, thank you very much for your quick reply. I found it, and it works as you said. Regards, Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects can also be changed. My personal opinion is that if anyone creates an article about Lorbach the village, I'd rather see the redirect replaced by the article on the village, and a hatnote placed in the village article to direct those readers who are looking for the asteroid. Elemimele (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- In 2010 a bot created thousands of redirects to numbered asteroids like Lorbach to 1755 Lorbach. Nearly all them have low notability and often more notable meanings of their unnumbered name (like whatever they were named after). Consider e.g. Svanberg. intitle:Svanberg includes 14 people with that surname but we send our users to a table row about asteroid number 8871 and a mention of who it was named after – a red link. Seriously? Users would usually be better served by search results when there is no disambiguation page. I have long thought about a mass nomination to delete a large part of those asteroid redirects but it's a mess I haven't dared to try to sort.<end rant> PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects can also be changed. My personal opinion is that if anyone creates an article about Lorbach the village, I'd rather see the redirect replaced by the article on the village, and a hatnote placed in the village article to direct those readers who are looking for the asteroid. Elemimele (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Mike Turnbull, thank you very much for your quick reply. I found it, and it works as you said. Regards, Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Could a newspaper article be considered as reference?
Hi, I have to reference events in 1980s and I am wondering if I could use newspaper articles as a reference for the events, although they don't have the article online? Thank you Nyusicacica (talk) 11:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes you could. Sources don't need to be online. See Wikipedia:Citing sources, and provide relevant parameters in {{cite news}}. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Searching for a specific phrase or source in Wikipedia
Hi, I was just wondering if there is a way to use the search function on Wikipedia to search for specific phrases used throughout Wikipedia. For example, is it possible for me to look up to see where a specific source is used throughout Wikipedia by somehow entering the URL, which would be reflected in the code for citations? Does that make sense? Thanks in advance, and I am happy to clarify if needed. TNstingray (talk) 15:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, TNstingray, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you search en.wikipedia.org (or any website URL, for this matter) and then a phrase in quotes, you can find instances where that phrase has been used. However, I don't know if that works for citations.
- Asparagusus (interaction) 16:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- TNstingray: In Google (and probably other search engines), you use the site: operator to search a specific site, including English Wikipedia. As Asparagusus points out, you can use this to search for a phrase in quotes. And, yes, it does work for citations. To demonstrate, try plugging this search term into Google: site:en.wikipedia.org "a future for the past" (including the quotes). One of the first pages that it returns is the Wikipedia article World Heritage Site, which includes a reference to a journal article with that name. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you're just interested in where a specific URL is used, you can use Special:LinkSearch. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- TNstingray: In Google (and probably other search engines), you use the site: operator to search a specific site, including English Wikipedia. As Asparagusus points out, you can use this to search for a phrase in quotes. And, yes, it does work for citations. To demonstrate, try plugging this search term into Google: site:en.wikipedia.org "a future for the past" (including the quotes). One of the first pages that it returns is the Wikipedia article World Heritage Site, which includes a reference to a journal article with that name. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Just a thank you
I took a few days off from hobbies and my thread was archived. Long story short, thank you @David notMD and @The Night Watch and @Maproom for the advice for @Piratecakes and me. I did some more scanning and I see your points on the "endorsements"--plus, nobody else had them, and I see it's on the main election page anyway (where I added some edits). With this local election now 10 days away, we can wait for the outcome to advance since the candidate would be notable by then. Barrieskyline1 (talk) 15:48, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Or not, if Keanin Loomis does not win the election. David notMD (talk) 16:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Update Page. List of footballers with 500 or more goals
Using data taken from messivsronaldo.app I would like to update Messi's and Ronaldo's statistics. Ronaldo now has 498 league goals, 51 cup goals, and 117 international goals (all of his stats are out of date). Messi now has 485 league goals, 71 cup goals, and 90 international goals (all of his numbers are out of date). Robert Lewandowski's stats are also out of date. He has 403 league goals, 76 international goals, 556 total club goals, for 632 total goals. (Data taken from, his wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lewandowski Some of Zlatan Ibrahimovic's stats are also out of date. He has 405 league goals, ect. (Data taken from UEFA.com) Luis Suárez's stats are also out of date. He has 389 league goals(Data taken from https://www.transfermarkt.us/luis-suarez/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/44352) , Suarez's Cup goals are correct (Source continued.), 68 Senior International Goals are correct (source continued.) TheDec3000 (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- messivsronaldo.app is not a reliable source. I'm sure there are better sources out there for footballer stats. Sungodtemple (talk) 16:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- That is not the only source I was using, the data taken from messivsronaldo.app is all double-checked and corroborated by https://fbref.com/en/players/d70ce98e/Lionel-Messi under (Standard Stats: Domestic Leagues) and
- https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo under (player club summary and Standard Stats.)
- All of the data matched up. If it didn't match up I would not have included it because I would not know who is right. TheDec3000 (talk) 22:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
how do i add archive box on my talk page
![](https://web.archive.org/web/20221017000049im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png)
my talk page does not contain archive box. i am using Lowercase sigmabot III for archiving. how do i create archive box & also add my pre-existing archive pages to it? Jindam vani (talk) 16:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- You can use the {{Archives}} template at the top of your talk page. {{Talk header}} also includes a list of archives. Madeline (part of me) 16:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Madeline i am going ahead with Talk header Jindam vani (talk) 17:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Article rejected although I used almost same wording as another that is accepted
I have written an entry "Elevenish" which was rejected although I used almost the same wording as Matches Fashion as it was deemed by the reviewer as not "neutral". How come the other page is public?
This is the text on Elevenish page: ELEVENiSH.com is a digital-first community and e-commerce platform for designers and artists to tell their stories and share their creations through a seamless experience. Founded in May 2021, The platform offers premium quality products within various categories: Women, men, and kids' fashion wear and accessories, Perfumeries, Home Décor & Art. ELEVENiSH.com is a product by TeaBeforeNoon, the GCC's luxury consultancy founded by Ms. Hala Al Gergawi, a UAE National entrepreneur. Twotogo (talk) 18:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Twotogo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read other stuff exists. The existence of another article has no bearing on the existence of others. It could be that this other articles is inappropriate and simply not addressed yet. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. In this case, the article you speak of has been marked as problematic for years. If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 19:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Twotogo. Your draft contains language like
digital-first community and e-commerce platform for designers and artists to tell their stories and share their creations through a seamless experience.
That is overtly promotional language that may belong on a company website or social media post, but has no place whatsoever in a neutral encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising and promotion. Cullen328 (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Twotogo. Your draft contains language like
i cant write and not approve the post
please help me
Jbqueeninternational (talk) 18:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Jbqueeninternational is currently blocked. Maproom (talk) 19:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
please help me
Jbqueeninternational (talk) 18:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- We don't accept advertizing, and you have a blatant conflict of interest. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Jbqueeninternational is currently blocked. Maproom (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
How to resize images in boxes like the one at Chilean water crisis?
The infobox at the article for Chilean water crisis is very big, and I think it would be better to downsize it. However, it seems to be using some template magic with unintuitive parameter names, and I'm confused what to modify to scale the image down to something like 50% of it's original size. RPI2026F1 (talk) 21:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, RPI2026F1. The parameters are documented at Template:CSS image crop. ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- But having looked further, that template only crops the image, it won't scale it. According to {{infobox event}}, the parameter
image_upright
should set the scaling, but when I change it, it doesn't seem to affect the images, so I'm afraid I can't help. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- But having looked further, that template only crops the image, it won't scale it. According to {{infobox event}}, the parameter
a questions about using screenshots
ive seen that you can upload screenshots from music videos, performance videos and interviews but can these be used in main infoboxes? is music release artwork allowed to be used in an infobox of a person if its just of the person without text or other graphics? and what are the limits on screenshots/what cant you screenshot? Avanttwink (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well a screenshot can only be used for the article the thing is about. You can usually include screenshots for articles about websites if they do not have a meaningful logo/favicon to use. I don't think you can use music release artwork for a person, only for the article about the album/song itself. RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- ah, i was thinking about sophie and A. G. Cooks articles, the pictures we have are so blurry and screenshots from their music videos i thought would be more fitting and (in sophies case) recognizable Avanttwink (talk) 22:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, sadly we can't use nonfree photos of a person if free ones exist or could be taken. Madeline (part of me) 22:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- what about screenshots from live performances and red carpet events like the ariana grande page? why was that allowed and would any of these videos be able to be used in that way?
- [4]Sophie Red Carpet Interview | 2019 GRAMMYs
- [5]Watch SOPHIE and Sophia the Robot discuss the future of creativity
- [6]SOPHIE: the producer taking pop to the future (English Version / Interview) | Arte TRACKS
- [7]A. G. Cook & Charli XCX - Cold (Live at Pop Carol)
- [8]A. G. Cook - Secret Sky Acoustic EDM Set
- Avanttwink (talk) 22:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- The infobox picture on Ariana Grande is from a video that was explicitly released under a free licence. That doesn't seem to be the case for any of those you provided. Madeline (part of me) 22:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- what about screenshots from live performances and red carpet events like the ariana grande page? why was that allowed and would any of these videos be able to be used in that way?
- The pictures are blurry for a reason. If they weren't then the copyright owners would have more of an incentive to sue. By making them blurry, Wikipedia is saying "look this is fair use, we're not trying to infringe your copyright, see we made it blurry so someone can look at this page and go 'oh yes that person/thing' but we're clearly not trying to steal from you otherwise we wouldn't blur the image". RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, these are freely licenced photos. You couldn't use a nonfree photo for a living person. Madeline (part of me) 22:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- We don't accept nonfree images of living people (as it's possible for a freely-licensed image to be created). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 02:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, sadly we can't use nonfree photos of a person if free ones exist or could be taken. Madeline (part of me) 22:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- ah, i was thinking about sophie and A. G. Cooks articles, the pictures we have are so blurry and screenshots from their music videos i thought would be more fitting and (in sophies case) recognizable Avanttwink (talk) 22:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
What to do if almost all sources cite an unreferenced wiki article?
I stumbled across Exocentric environment, which had no references. But upon Googling, it seemed almost every result used the definition copied from the wikipedia page or about another term with "exocentric" in the term's name. What do I do here? I don't think it can be deleted easily since it's now depended upon by a lot of outside sources. RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, RPI2026F1. The reliance of other websites on a completely unreferenced Wikipedia article should have no bearing on whether the article should be deleted. Unless reliable published sources that do not copy from Wikipedia devote significant coverage to the topic, the article should be deleted. Cullen328 (talk) 22:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- I do think on the merit of having no references the article should be deleted, but I do not want to personally make the AfD because I have filed way too many AfDs in recent days and I am worried that I overlooked something. RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Hate Speech
There was a recent example of hate speech in Christchurch mosque shootings. This was very quickly reverted and a warning posted to the user talk page. (Thank you User:Roger 8 Roger - just 2 minutes to revert. Good work!) With simple vandalism or accidental poor editing that is all that is needed. But this was disgusting. Whether the text is actually illegal in New Zealand is a matter for the lawyers but the fact that I am thinking about the anti-hate laws should show how bad it is. What more can be or should be done? OrewaTel (talk) 00:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- OrewaTel, thanks for noticing this. Such edits can be struck from the article's history. See WP:OVERSIGHT and this contact form.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Suspicious behaviour
Admins please see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shahi_Kabir. Really suspicious behaviour by user Mcbath. He moved the from Draft space to main space and a minute later tag it for AFD deletion. The consensus was to draftify the article. Now he came and withdrawed the article. This is a tactical approach with h some hidden agenda. Please do take some action here 111.92.80.6 (talk) 02:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've kicked the article back to draft as that was the consensus of the discussion before the AfD was withdrawn (and the fact it was expressly moved from draft specifically to kill it). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 02:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
My first edit - immediately reverted why?
I went from this;
A Nicopress swaged sleeve is a mechanically swaged connector commonly used to make a mechanical or electro-mechanical connection. These sleeves join or terminate: wire rope, aircraft cable, synthetic cable, fibrous rope, or electrical conductor/cable
To this;
A Nicopress swaged sleeve is a connector that gets crimped using a hand tool and die (swaged). This type of compressed sleeve is commonly used to make mechanical or conductive connections. These sleeves join or terminate: wire rope, aircraft cable, synthetic cable, fibrous rope, or electrical conductor/cable
What did I do wrong? I use these kinds of crimp connectors all the time, and I tried to make it readable and simple.
Nicopress is just a brand; with many listed brands on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/nicopress/s?k=nicopress
If you read every item it is crimped.. which is more understandable IMHO.
This is what happened one second later; so I came here..
October 2022[edit source] Hello, I'm LilianaUwU. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Nicopress swaged sleeve—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 02:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Flibbertigibbets. I think what probably happened here is that your edit was mistakenly assessed as being non-constructive and possibly even as being vandalism by LilianaUwU, even though I don't think it was as explained here. Unfortunately, lots of first edits made by newly created accounts actually aren't helpful so it can be quite easy to assume that all such edits aren't helpful. Many editors on the watch for vandalism use or automated tools or scripts to help them check on recent edits because it helps speed up the process and allows them to do more in less time. Unfortunately, this means they sometimes don't take a really close look at the edits they're reverting and thus OK edits like yours get lumped in with the rest. Now, I'm not saying your edit was perfect, and it might be capable of still being improved upon; however, I think it was incorrect to assess it as non-constructive and warn you as such. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Flibbertigibbets: Apologies for that, with how much reverting I do, there ought to be something constructive that accidentally gets reverted. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 03:54, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- OK.. thanks if you could help tune up what I wrote perhaps, it would be great.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks March, Within one second! I am looking to proof read what I wrote and it was not there.. then a nasty gram..within seconds I am afraid whatever I do will be met with the stuff.. What would you do if you were me? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for the above statement I spoke too soon.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Flibbertigibbets: Apologies for that, with how much reverting I do, there ought to be something constructive that accidentally gets reverted. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 03:54, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Unnecessarily specified fonts in a template
I wish for this specification span style="font-family: 'Georgia Pro', Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', Times, 'Times New Roman', FreeSerif, 'DejaVu Math TeX', 'URW Bookman L', serif;"
to be removed from the {{Chset-table-header1}}.
The reason is, it is unnecessary to explicitly specify fonts, particularly fonts that are not cross-platform.
A compromise would be to add a class, to allow that to be annulled by users in their custom CSS.
An example of where the template is used is in that table.
I couldn't find that code to edit it. I could just find it by inspecting the element on my browser and found that:
element.style { font-family: 'Georgia Pro', Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', Times, 'Times New Roman', FreeSerif, 'DejaVu Math TeX', 'URW Bookman L', serif; }
--Mahmudmasri (talk) 03:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Mahmudmasri, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest posting your suggestion on Template talk:Chset-table-header1 (which doesn't yet exist). Since almost all the edits on that template were made by Spitzak, it would be worth pinging them - but I've just done so, so they ought to see this item. ColinFine (talk) 12:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
OneClick Archive
I recently added OneClick Archive, and when I archive my talk page it sends it to User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers/Archive 1 instead of my most recent User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers/Archive 3. Can someone please help me? Iamreallygoodatcheckerst@lk 05:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Iamreallygoodatcheckers: Your user talk page is currently missing an archive config template (to my knowledge, it only seems to work with
{{User:MiszaBot/config}}
, see User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III/Archive_HowTo for its current documentation), which holds the|count=
current archive count. Because it cannot find the template, the script seems to default to 1. See User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver, from which Evad37's version is derived, for details. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
BLP policy on "removing at subject's request"
I know of at least one bit of policy that allows us to omit information based on a subject's wishes - WP:DOB states that a birthday can be eschewed for a birth year in the case that the subject feels it's a violation of privacy. Is there a more general policy about this? Obviously things like WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:DUE take precedence over what a subject wishes their article to be about, and I've read WP:COI, but there are still gray areas. More specifically, is there policy on a subject disliking their photo and suggesting it be replaced? If the new photo is freely licensed and generally representative, is it proper to do so? If there is no policy about this I'd like to start an RfC, I haven't found anything but I'm still not great at looking. WPscatter t/c 06:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wpscatter Article subjects are free to offer what they see as better images of themselves just as any editor is free to propose a new image- in many cases this may be the only way to get a copyright-compatible image of a subject. One hang-up is that unless it's a selfie someone else usually owns the copyright and would need to release it. 331dot (talk) 07:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well sure, that makes sense. I guess the question is whether "the subject doesn't want the old image to be in the article" should be a motivator to make the change; I suppose, lacking policy specifying otherwise, the default answer is it isn't. WPscatter t/c 07:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- If they propose a new image that is actually better, and there wouldn't be a role for the old image in the article somewhere else, the motivation doesn't matter. Now, if they just want it removed without a replacement, that may present different issues. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- What I'm talking about is the situation where the article is just fine as-is, and the subject wants the picture replaced for entirely unrelated reasons (example). Assuming the replacement is about equally suited for the article and is freely licensed, can we make that change, citing the subject's request as the only reason? WPscatter t/c 07:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- That would be up to the editors that follow that article, if the personal preference of the subject(assuming everything else is equal) should be respected. I know of no policy which prevents that from being done. The closest thing I know of is WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE for entire articles, when the subject would prefer not to have one. Normally that is not relevant, but in edge notability cases, we can err on the side of deletion. 331dot (talk) 07:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP:BLPKINDNESS may apply, a little. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- That would be up to the editors that follow that article, if the personal preference of the subject(assuming everything else is equal) should be respected. I know of no policy which prevents that from being done. The closest thing I know of is WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE for entire articles, when the subject would prefer not to have one. Normally that is not relevant, but in edge notability cases, we can err on the side of deletion. 331dot (talk) 07:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- What I'm talking about is the situation where the article is just fine as-is, and the subject wants the picture replaced for entirely unrelated reasons (example). Assuming the replacement is about equally suited for the article and is freely licensed, can we make that change, citing the subject's request as the only reason? WPscatter t/c 07:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- If they propose a new image that is actually better, and there wouldn't be a role for the old image in the article somewhere else, the motivation doesn't matter. Now, if they just want it removed without a replacement, that may present different issues. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well sure, that makes sense. I guess the question is whether "the subject doesn't want the old image to be in the article" should be a motivator to make the change; I suppose, lacking policy specifying otherwise, the default answer is it isn't. WPscatter t/c 07:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Getting a draft reviewed
I really do apologize if this sounds impatient, and I suppose in a way it is, but is there a way to get your draft article looked at other than just submitting it and hoping? I've seen a few drafts that get reviewed within a day of creation, but mine has been submitted for 2 weeks and indeed it says that it can take up to 4 months. Just curious whether there's an avenue I'm missing or if those other articles have just gotten lucky. WPscatter t/c 06:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wpscatter Hello and welcome. You just got lucky the other times. Drafts are placed in a category upon submission which reviewers can pick from as they wish, in the free time that they have, it is not a queue. There is no way to speed up the process. Please be patient. If you have had other drafts accepted and placed in the encyclopedia, and are fairly confident that your draft could survive a deletion discussion, you could place it in the encyclopedia yourself. 331dot (talk) 07:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
User Page
Please I'm Innocent Prince and I'm having issues creating my user Page Can someone help me out And yes I'm also having issues with editing, it ain't working... Please I need help. Cheers to Wikipedia— Preceding unsigned comment added by Soft Black (talk • contribs)
- Hi! Based on the edit history, you're currently logged in as User:Soft Black. You can create that user page by clicking on the red link and creating it there. If you want to change your username to something else, click here for instructions about that. WPscatter t/c 07:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- looks like they got stopped by an edit filter. Soft Black, please review the userpage policy for what is acceptable on user pages. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Submission rejection query
"This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." what are considered reliable sources on wikipedia if I add a location detail? Ain123 (talk) 09:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Ain123, and welcome to the Teahouse. Reliable sources are those published by somebody (usually an organisation) with a reputation for fact-checkihng and editorial control: see WP:RS.
- However, that message is sometimes a bit misleading. There are three separate requirements on most sources: 1) that they be reliable, 2) that they be independent of the subject, and 3) that they contain significant coverage of the subject.
- I'm guessing that this is about Draft:Gaju Khel. fallingrain.com may very well be a reliable source, but it does not contain significant coverage of Gaju Khel, just one piece of information about it. That reference would be helpful to support the claim about rainfall, but without several reliable sources which give information about the village itself, the draft is not adequately sourced. ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding to covid-19 death toll
Im trying to add my grandmothers name to the list. I went to the template for editing however i cannot figure out how to add her name! I appreciate your time, Cheryl Lynn Cblack84 (talk) 09:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cblack84 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not entirely sure which article you are attempting to edit. It could be protected from editing by new accounts, in which case you would need to go to the associated article talk page to request an edit. Your grandmother will need to have an existing Wikipedia article about her to be added, however. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Cblack84. As 331dot says, most list articles are not lists of all people (places, organisations ...) that meet their criteria, they are lists of Wikipedia articles about people (places, organisations ...) which meet their criteria. If you grandmother met Wikipedia's criteria for notabililty, then there could be an article about her, and her name could feature in a list. But otherwise, I'm afraid not. ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
New WikiProject Proposal!
Hello Wikipedians, i am SMBMovieFan. i just proposed a new WikiProject called WikiProject Android. The wikiproject will be about improving the coverage of the operating system Android. There is a ton of articles to improve, and i believe this wikiproject will help improve the articles related to Android. Interested? Vote for your support here. SMBMovieFan (talk) 10:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
1985 Kansas City Royals season
Hello. Go to the above article. Scroll down to where it says Offense and Pitching infoboxes, move both infoboxes from far right to the far left. Thank you for your time.Theairportman33531 (talk) 11:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC) Theairportman33531 (talk) 11:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Theairportman, and welcome to the Teahouse. I must say that my immediate reaction to your command is to say "Why should I"? But more generally, if there is a change you want made to an article and you are unable or unwilling to do it yourself, the place to ask is the article's talk page, in this case Talk:1985 Kansas City Royals season. ColinFine (talk) 12:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
How do I restore the article contents after heading paragraph in the reading mode
Hi. At present, my reading mode doesn't show the article content in blue after the heading paragraph as it used to do. I suspect this was after I made an accidental change in my user preferences. Can you please help me restore showing the article contents' tree in blue when I read articles? Thank you. Neuralia (talk) 11:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Neuralia, and welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't attempted to answer your question until now, because I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't recognise your description from any of the interfaces I have used. Please clarify what you are looking at (is it the desktop version in a browser, the mobile version in a mobile browser, or a specialised app) and if you are in a browser, which skin you are using. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Neuralia Is it just that you looked at a short article? The contents box is generated automatically by the Wiki software on articles with at least four sections and can't be suppressed, as far as I know. See WP:TOC for details. If you are not seeing the TOC on long articles, then the additional information mentioned by Colin would be a first step to getting more help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Neuralia: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason why you didn't see the table of contents in the new Vector 2022 skin is because they've been moved to the sidebar to the left. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Can I make new maps with existing wikicommon files?
Recently I'm working on creating/expanding articles of each township-level division of China, and as part of that I would need location maps where the township for the corresponding article is highlighted. As these maps do not exist in wikimedia commons as of yet, am I allowed to make them with existing maps (like this one) and use them in articles? How do I make appropriate attribution as demanded under the creative common license? And is there any other things that I would need to know or follow? Tutwakhamoe (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Tutwakhamoe This is a question for Wikimedia Commons, really. It is not at all the same as the English language Wikipedia. What you will produce is a "derivative work" for which there are rules of attribution. Please ask the experts there 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'll go to Wikimedia Commons then Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Tutwakhamoe The short answer is that you must do whatever it says in the licensing section of the Commons page. Usually for derivative works that means attributing the source but for public domain files (not the one you linked) you don't need to even do that. As already advised, any specific questions can be directed to the Commons experts at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Understood. Thank you for your time! Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Editing pages
Hello all. Question: Do you need to have an edit you want to add be "green-lit" (e.g., on article talk pages)? I was in a couple wikis that instituted green-lighting in the past, and I wonder if Wikipedia has that policy too. ProfessorM2112 (talk) 14:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Generally, no. You are encouraged to be bold in updating articles. If your changes are undone, you should discuss rather than edit war. See also WP:BRD. However, especially in controversial areas, it can be good to ask on the talk page first if you want to institute substantial changes. Some articles also have pending changes enabled, which means every edit will undergo a cursory check for vandalism and such. Madeline (part of me) 14:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, ProfessorM2112, and welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you are talking about something like pending changes: this is only enabled on certain articles where there have been problems. If it's something, please clarify. ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
How do I create a wiki page?
e Crusestwit404 (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Crusestwit404 See basic requirements at WP:GNG. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" move on to WP:YFA and WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Recurring infobox information across articles
I'm editing some articles about a couple of ship classes and their individual vessels. The thing about their infoboxes is that they should contain much of the same information across multiple articles. The ship class article uses "Infobox ship characteristics", but it doesn't seem ideal to me to duplicate all of the information across multiple articles. Can I create a new infobox template for each class that already includes this information? Is there a command I can include in the articles to import this information from WikiData? I tried searching for Wp:Recurring information, Wp:Wikidate interface and Wp:Implement interface, but I did not find any relevant results. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, BucketOfSquirrels, and welcome to the Teahouse You can create new tamplates (eg "infobox class XXX ship") that incorporate the exisiting template but supply values for some of the parameters. ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Including a note with a citations
Regarding my citation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(Bernstein)#cite_note-16 -- It references a blog entry, which I understand is generally regarded as an invalid source. However, the referenced blog entry includes photo images of a 1974 program guide that reliably verifies the information added into the main article. Should a note about the photo images be included with the citation to justify its veracity? Florida-Ed (talk) 18:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Do you know if that blog is permitted to republish those photographs and newspaper clippings? If not, then it's a copyright violation and we shouldn't link to it. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:31, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- The program brochure was issued in 1974 without a copyright notice and is therefore in the Public Domain; the newspaper clippings are only excerpts from longer articles, with no potential for damaging the market or value of the originals, and thus should fall within fair use guidelines: https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html . However, if this is an issue for Wikipedia, I'll go ahead and delete the blog citation, and keep only the link to the UPDATE "Campus Calendar" on the University's site -- it doesn't specify any of the performers, but at least the dates are verified there. --Thanks so much for responding! Florida-Ed (talk) 21:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
writing Arabic topic on Wikipedia English or any other language
Can I write an arabic or any other different language topic on Wikipedia English ? Bushra Tughar (talk) 19:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- If this topic has an encyclopedic value and you write in English, then yes. Ruslik_Zero 19:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Feedback regarding vague feedback re: references, please :-)
Hi. I received a rejection notice saying I have inadequate references. I think my references are solid. Can someone please advise? Draft article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fran_Christina Bookscatsmusickiwis (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Bookscatsmusickiwis. Your draft was declined, not rejected. There is a major difference. Which three independent, reliable sources provide truly significant coverage of this person, as opposed to passing mentions? Cullen328 (talk) 21:06, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Additionally, Bookscatsmusickiwis, phrasing:
- "such blues legends as [long list] among others". If "legends" means "musicians", say "musicians"; if not, specify.
- "a member of the multi-Grammy award-winning western swing band Asleep at the Wheel": no need for "multi-Grammy award-winning"
- "legendary Elvis Presley, Bob Wills, Hank Williams producer/engineer Bob Sullivan": no need for "legendary"
- "The adaptation of "Tuff Enuff" the band did for a Texas anti-litter campaign in 1986 helped snowball the slogan “Don’t Mess With Texas” into a cultural phenomenon." What does "cultural phenomenon" mean, and what's your source for the "snowballing"?
- -- Hoary (talk) 23:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
How do I Merge and Deal with Advertising and Marketing
I was given a page to edit Don Pepin Garcia Blue Label as new editor (empowered to make minor edits) which was a "single cigar brand" which then linked back to the entry of Pepin Garcia. This company seems to have many cigar brands with each and every one of them having an individual Wikipedia page. I can edit for grammar but this sort of challenge is above my weight class. -- What is the correct approach? Should the articles be left alone? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- These articles are all poorly referenced and promotional. IMHO they should have all their unreferenced content removed, and be merged into a single article. I'm curious about who "gave you this page to edit". Maproom (talk) 21:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Maproom I wonder if the editor means the suggestions on the Special:Homepage. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yep.. that is it thanks! Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- There is a "new user" assignment "robot" that suggests articles to edit. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- OK, figured out that these articles were "nominated for deletion" Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don Pepin Garcia (which also lists a bunch of other individual cigar brands).. But I don't think that anything was done. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Maproom I wonder if the editor means the suggestions on the Special:Homepage. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)