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December 10
00:44:39, 10 December 2022 review of draft by HumbleSolipsist1
- HumbleSolipsist1 (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Attack of the 50 Foot CamGirl ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi! My draft, Draft:Attack of the 50 Foot CamGirl, was declined on account of the sources not demonstrating sufficient coverage. This is not entirely unreasonable, but I'm still confused about what *does* constitute sufficient coverage. I guess my confusion really exists on 2 fronts:
1. I'm unclear if the underlying issue with my draft is more that my sources are lacking in quantity, or more that they are lacking in quality (ie they are not reliable, do not explore the film in sufficient depth, or are not sufficiently impartial). If it is the former issue, I can address that. More sources exist, but I don't think they're any more reliable or deeper than what I've already added.
2. The notability requirements I've read about on Wikipedia:Notability seem much steeper than many current articles adhere to. When using Special:Random, it seems like around 1/3 of the articles I arrive at only have one or two sources, and they are often sources which do not go into great depth on the topic, or are not reputable publications. Is it more the case that the requirements are exaggerated on Wikipedia:Notability, or more the case that there are a lot of articles that lack notability and aught to either be improved or removed?
HumbleSolipsist1 (talk) 00:44, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @HumbleSolipsist1,
- TBH, I don't know what the reviewers had in mind, you may need to ask them directly. From my point of view, I'd say the quantity is there, as the first four sources all provide significant enough coverage, and four should be enough to establish notability. I'd maybe question the quality of the sources themselves (rather than of their coverage of this film), as they seem like they might have somewhat lower journalistic standards than what we normally expect. Would be nice to see at least one or two solid, mainstream sources amongst them.
- This is an easy one: there are indeed large numbers of articles out there which fail one or more of our publishing standards, and need to be either improved or deleted. There are many reasons for this: either they were published before the current standards were implemented; or they were published by editors who have the right to publish directly without going through an approval process; or they were of a higher standard when first published but have since deteriorated for whatever reason. In any case, we certainly don't want to create more such problem cases, and therefore nowadays apply the notability etc. rules rigorously wherever possible. So no, the notability guidelines are not 'exaggerated', they really are what we work to.
- HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:37, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
12:14:50, 10 December 2022 review of submission by Eddie Ruzzi
- Eddie Ruzzi (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Eddie Ruzzi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User talk:Eddie Ruzzi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I have included references but I'm still being rejected and I don't know why. I've done everything that was requested.
Sincerely, Eddie Eddie Ruzzi (talk) 12:14, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- Eddie Ruzzi You haven't. You have been declined, not rejected. Rejection would mean resubmission is not possible. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. Autobiographical articles are highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy. Any Wikipedia article about you must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about you, showing how you meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician. 331dot (talk) 13:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Request on 23:26:16, 10 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by TheRealFashun
- TheRealFashun (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Sara Rivers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The Sara Rivers article is valid and yet the person reviewing is denying Wikipedia credible. Yet the individual can easily be searched under the previous performance name Sara Stokes and is also referenced with the name change as Sara Rivers. TheRealFashun (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- @TheRealFashun: I don't know what "the article is valid" means, but this draft was declined for a reason, namely lack of evident notability. Therefore, if you wish to see this published, your task is to address that reason. And also, to declare any conflict of interest you may have in the subject. Now, did you have an actual question you wanted to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
December 11
02:14:29, 11 December 2022 review of submission by Iranrevolution401
- Iranrevolution401 (talk · contribs) ()
My submission was declined because the editor thinks it is a news about a single event and may not be noticeable on Wikipedia. I understand the editors point, but I would like to mention that the purpose is solely to inform officials outside Iran, including UNICEF about what is happening right now in Iran and wikipedia is the best platform to do that. Please re-consider my submission or at least provide me with some hints to make it publishable. Thanks! Iranrevolution401 (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Iranrevolution401: as I mentioned in the decline comment, this subject (IMO; happy to hear other views) fails WP:BLP1E. In any case, Wikipedia is not an appropriate channel for informing "officials outside Iran what is happening right now in Iran". Which isn't a comment on your cause; only that you need to find a different platform for disseminating such information. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Iranrevolution401 The word you are looking for is "notable", not "noticeable". Notable, in the Wikipedia sense, is defined here. David10244 (talk) 08:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
07:45:26, 11 December 2022 review of submission by Raash world
- Raash world (talk · contribs) ()
- User:Raash world/sandbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Raash world (talk) 07:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- What is your question, @Raash world? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
07:59:49, 11 December 2022 review of submission by Raash world
- Raash world (talk · contribs) ()
- User:Raash world/sandbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Raash world (talk) 07:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please don't submit duplicate questions. echidnaLives - talk - edits 08:12, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Especially without actually asking a question. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Raash world: No sources, no article, no debate. The constant screaming in the draft is also inappropriate. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 12:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
11:31:53, 11 December 2022 review of submission by Abdullah Ansar Abbas
- Abdullah Ansar Abbas (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Ansar Abbas ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Abdullah Ansar Abbas (talk) 11:31, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Abdullah Ansar Abbas You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the autobiography policy. Please also see the comments left by the reviewer. 331dot (talk) 12:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
13:27:05, 11 December 2022 review of submission by Rubiesar
please kindly review and make this page live Rubiesar (talk) 13:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Rubiesar: it will be reviewed when a reviewer gets around to it. There are 3,300+ drafts awaiting review. Please be patient. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:31, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
14:42:03, 11 December 2022 review of submission by Shanto Karmakar
- Shanto Karmakar (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Shanto Kormokar ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Shanto Karmakar (talk) 14:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Shanto Karmakar: No sources, no article, no debate. We're not a social media website and are not interested in whatever you have to say about yourself. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 14:47, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
17:23:30, 11 December 2022 review of draft by Taylorrobinson789
- Taylorrobinson789 (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:George Southworth: Latin American Correspondent ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Taylorrobinson789 (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Taylorrobinson789 You should not scan copyrighted material; that PDF has been deleted from Commons. You can reference a newspaper, but you can't upload a scan. See WP:REFB. David10244 (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- If there is no electronic copy, what is my option? Taylorrobinson789 (talk) 18:12, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I recently submited a biography for re-submission, and wanted to understand the notes. All of the citations are directly related to the topic, but I am happy to look furhter for more secondary resources.
In this article, I have mainly primary sources I have done research to find, hunt down, and scan in through the wikimedia service. When reviewing, the person of interest is clearly a real human, a credible human, and one of great regard outlined in his obituary, in the Ibis yearbook, the Miami Herald has published him multiple times as he was an editor there for decades, his own work and work written about him, etc. One such recent newsletter I added today and scanned in that discussess his life.
Please help me understand my next steps, or how these primary resources are not sufficient.
- @Taylorrobinson789: Flatly, we're not interested in anything a subject says or writes, or has convinced someone to say or write on their behalf. Our notability guideline is entirely about how much outlets that have no direct connexion to him or any of his associates have written about him. Whether he is a real person or not doesn't matter; existence alone cannot justify an article. This goes double if the person is still alive or has recently departed. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:46, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Taylorrobinson789 Wikipedia wants secondary sources, not primary sources. See WP:PST. David10244 (talk) 08:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I understand that, I think I phrased my question wrong. Taylorrobinson789 (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
18:14:43, 11 December 2022 review of draft by HanaKaeKo
Hi Editors,
I want to make sure my article pass this time seeing as I found some great new sources according to Wiki guidelines. My article is about CGVerse concept art school. Just want to confirm before I resubmit. Thank you for reading!
Here are their links: 1. https://medium.com/@jamesryanawkit/a-deep-dive-into-the-world-of-digital-art-with-cgverse-personalized-concept-art-school-b8fb2bc7a13f
2. https://medium.com/@jamesryanawkit/the-covid-19-pandemic-aftermath-7090583433fc
Have a good day!
HanaKaeKo (talk) 18:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HanaKaeKo: Medium is not an acceptable source under any circumstances. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Request on 18:24:59, 11 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Usmanmaifada
- Usmanmaifada (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Abdurrahman Abba SheShe ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Usmanmaifada (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Usmanmaifada: Refer to the bottom table on User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
Sheshe He was born in 1965...
- Source? (You CANNOT just slap sources at the end of the section; they need to be cited at the claim itself.)...at Sheshe Quarters Kano Municipal local government...
- This is unintelligible. Birthplace also requires a source....professor Sheshe attended Madatai Special Primary School in the year 1972...
- Source? This entire sentence is also rambling....[Sheshe attended] Government Secondary School Gwale...
-Rambling, source?...then he attend Rumfa Collage All in Kano State.
- Rambling, source?He then joined the school of Basic Studies at Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria for the IJMB...
- Source? Also, you need to explain what the IJMB is; your (world-wide) audience isn't going to be familiar with acronyms from Nigeria....[He] later got admission in faculty of Medicine in Bayero University Kano, for his pre-clinical studies in 1986.
- Source?Then he move[d] to Benin University in 1988...
- Source?...graduated in MBBS in 1991.
- Source? Acronym also needs defined.Dr. Sheshe did his NYSC in Akwa Ibom State...
- Source? Acronym also MUST be defined to remove ambiguity.Then he Worked at Murtala Mohammad Specialist Hospital as Medical Officer...
- Source? This sentence doesn't end with a fullstop.He go to Bayero University Teaching Hospital...
- Source?...[He went,] in 1997 to Ahmadu Bello University Zaria for his residency at the Department of Surgery.
- Source?Sheshe was appointed Honorary Consultant in Surgery and Lecturer 1 in Bayero University Kano in 2004.
- Source?He [h]as been in the Department of Surgery of Aminu Kano Teaching Hospital until his appointment as deputy chairman, Medical Advisory Committee in 2014...
- Source?...then [he was appointed] chairman [of] Medical Advisory Committee in 2017...
- Source?Sheshe is the newly Chief Director of Aminu Kano Teaching Hospital after his predecessor...
- Cite the SolaceBase article here, assuming it can be used to support this and the claim immediately before it.Hepatic Resection in law resource setting
- This is unintelligible.Surgical tre[a]tment of Breast Diseases in Kano
- Irrelevant.Surgical management Adult HIRSCHSPRUNG'S Disease
- Irrelevant. Surgery is the usual treatment for Hirschsprung's, so while this may seem like a big deal this doesn't really help him stand out from a crowded hospital full of surgeons of various disciplines.A rare case of HIRSCHSPRUNG'S Disease in a young Nigerian M[a]n
- Irrelevant. As this is worded, it sounds more like Sheshe's the person being referred to here.Giant in Inguinal Hernia
- This is unintelligible.Effect of Flap-fixation on Seroma Formation After Mastectomy among African Patient
- This is unintelligible.
- The text of this article has a lot of issues, many of which can be chalked to creator provincialism more than anything. Your audience on Wikipedia isn't just English speakers in Nigeria; it's English speakers around the world. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:41, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
18:37:52, 11 December 2022 review of submission by 38.19.173.54
- 38.19.173.54 (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Roger P. Williams ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Unfortunately the prior reviewer's comments is just more proof that this review was arbitrary and capricious and not in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. Statement by reviewer: Of the references, only the first two even mention his name, a very bad sign. This statement is categorically false and demonstrates that the references were not sufficiently reviewed. Of the references no less than eight mention Mr. Williams by name and no less than five of them even have quotations by Mr. Williams. This is further proof that this article did not receive a fair and balanced review. In addition, it is requested that the next reviewer be from the United States as it is seems evident that non-US reviewers may not appreciate the significance of certain prominent legal positions within the United States federal government. Thank you. 38.19.173.54 (talk) 18:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Congratulations, you've just earned the attention of a bastard helper from Hell. For the record, our nationalities are completely irrelevant as to whether an article passes muster or not.
- https://buffalonews.com/news/vacco-demotes-top-prosecutor-in-shake-up-gicale-replaces-williams-as-second-in-command-at/article_85691f23-44c9-5555-93f2-a636ab81b9d1.html looks good.
- https://buffalonews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/roger-p-williams-80-federal-prosecutor-and-mentor-to-many-attorneys/article_5c2daab7-9a4d-5ace-82ad-e9de2f0b18f4.html is also good.
- The Courier Express article is useless for notability (too sparse), with the article itself verging on being too short to cite. The article really doesn't say anything about him that a more in-depth source - newspaper or book - wouldn't already cover and in more detail.
- https://buffalonews.com/news/man-accused-of-smuggling-jets-knew-of-law-violations-jury-told/article_590b30cf-cdb4-5301-a630-5d55a33834fe.html is useless for notability (too sparse). This article is primarily direct quotes and attributed claims; nothing about him specifically that other sources don't already cover.
- https://apnews.com/article/13ca17e09291b74302d96830bba21c90 is a non-sequitur. An article that doesn't mention the subject - let alone discuss them in any appreciable depth - is not going to be a useful source for an article on that subject.
- https://buffalonews.com/news/verdict-on-arms-dealer-disputed-lawyer-says-conviction-was-logically-inconsistent/article_9b22dfad-1984-50c9-bddb-5251cc5cc16b.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Attributed claims; no actual discussion of Williams.
- https://buffalonews.com/news/jury-convicts-avelino-on-4-counts-in-sale-of-jets-is-cleared-on-5-others/article_f864580d-22e8-51b3-bbed-ea0b1fe450b9.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Direct quote and attributed claim; no discussion of Williams.
- I cannot assess https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/2927306 (language barrier). The cite there is also missing required information for an offline cite (page numbers, author).
- https://buffalonews.com/news/2-double-agents-here-help-seize-a-spy-suspect/article_392feb01-1900-5631-a6b3-91c2caeaa920.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
- https://buffalonews.com/news/u-s-canada-probe-sale-of-fuel-laced-with-toxins-paper-says-area-bootleggers-added/article_3bafb659-47c9-5a9a-9f7a-bed9027141c7.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Direct quotes and attributed claims, no actual discussion of Williams.
- https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1989/5/22/toxins-by-truckload is a non-sequitur.
- https://buffalonews.com/news/con-artist-tells-court-police-officials-plotted-to-nail-attorney/article_d3b69c45-ffe3-5130-b8c6-62344f933e4f.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Name in a list, no actual discussion.
- So no, you have not met notability as we define it, and the reviewer was correct to decline. While they are incorrect about how many sources have his name in it, the basic thrust of his claim that only the first two sources are any good holds water. We don't care about sources that only parrot or paraphrase whatever he said; we want sources that actually talk about the person at length. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
20:04:10, 11 December 2022 review of draft by Yae4
The following 5 citations are in rough order of amount of coverage of Draft:Mobian specifically. They are secondary and independent. They are in-depth/not just passing mentions, perhaps with exception of the last one. I saw nothing to say they were not reliable. The Draft reviewer declined article submission. Can someone please explain why these citations are not sufficient, or which criteria they fail?
- The 9to5Linux source[1], not to be confused with others like 9to5Google, is several paragraphs all about Mobian. No previous RSN discussions were found.[2] 9to5Linux has been cited almost 20 times.[3]
- The Heise.de source (German, see Heinz_Heise)[4] is 4+ paragraphs, focused on Mobian for PinePhone. Heise.de has been cited hundreds of times[5] An extensive case for reliability of heise.de was made at RSN[6], although clear, general consensus did not emerge. In that discussion, I took no position on general reliability, but was against using one specific heise source, because it was a YouTube transcript; to their credit, heise included appropriate disclaimers.
- The two Fossbytes sources[7][8] look somewhat bloggish, but I saw nothing inaccurate, and the coverage is extensive and almost entirely on Mobian. There were no previous RSN discussion of Fossbytes.[9] Fossbytes has been cited dozens of times.[10]
- The Hackaday source[11] discusses Pinephone hardware initially including Ubuntu touch pre-installed, explains why they switched to Mobian, and includes a very long paragraph solely on Mobian. Hackaday has been cited hundreds of times.[12] Hackaday has been discussed a couple times in RSN but involvement was limited, and outcomes were disrupted or not clear.[13]
- The Linux Magazine citation by Jack Wallen[14] is several paragraphs about a new product sold with Mobian pre-installed. No previous RSN discussions were found[15] Linux Magazine has been cited dozens of times.[16] Jack Wallen is a somewhat well known writer, in some tech areas, and has been cited at least tens of times.[17]
-- Yae4 (talk) 20:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Yae4 (talk) 20:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
21:29:16, 11 December 2022 review of submission by Aethiral
Why was the article declined? I noticed that there was no english version for the wikipedia page on clanbase, however there was a short wikipedia page on the Netherlands wikipedia page, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClanBase . However with no english version, I translated and also fixed a few issues with the page, however it seems to have been declined for whatever reason.
Aethiral (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- The "whatever reason" is that it has zero reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 21:31, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
21:51:01, 11 December 2022 review of draft by HenriHa
HenriHa (talk) 21:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello! I need help improving article Lasse Huittinen which is now moved to draft namespace. It's very difficult to find more sources about thief that lived 15th century. --HenriHa (talk) 21:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- HenriHa Sources do not need to be online, they need to only be publicly available. Books in a library are fine. 331dot (talk) 21:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- I know that, but only book I know about him is already used as reference and it's not enough. The book is readable for free only some of finnish universities, the web version is behind paywall. There are very few documents about people that lived in Finland at that time. --HenriHa (talk) 22:06, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa, the article in the Finnish Wikipedia has as its only reference a short biography in the Finnish national biography. The English Wikipedia requires more sources than this. Requirements for articles differ among the various language versions of Wikipedia. You would need to find enough sources to show that he was not just a very minor figure in Finnish history. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- I found another source at https://arkivkopia.se/bok/runeberg-stock14 and I've already asked about webservice that is provided by finnish librarians but I fear that there might not be anymore documents about him. But I continue about searching them and adding them to the article when I found them. --HenriHa (talk) 22:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa If you can't find enough sources about him, then unfortunately Wikipedia can't have an article about him -- since all articles must be backed by reliable, independent, published sources. Sorry. David10244 (talk) 03:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- I found another source at https://arkivkopia.se/bok/runeberg-stock14 and I've already asked about webservice that is provided by finnish librarians but I fear that there might not be anymore documents about him. But I continue about searching them and adding them to the article when I found them. --HenriHa (talk) 22:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- If I find more reliable sources, how many is enough for this kind of article? --HenriHa (talk) 07:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa: there is no fixed number as such, although three is often quoted as a minimum. Especially as Schück's book which you mention above only provides a single short chapter on Lasse (or rather, on this particular Lasse), then I would say you need one more solid source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- I found another book but it's used as source in kansallisbiografia so am I right when I think it isn't an independent source? I will get this book in this week. --HenriHa (talk) 12:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa: what's the other book? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Finnarnas historia i Sverige, written by K. Tarkiainen in 1990, avaible only with swedish language. --HenriHa (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa: okay, if it provides significant coverage of Lasse, and if the information there hasn't already been fully regurgitated by the Huldén text (in which case they would effectively be the same source), then that could work. Hard to say more without knowing the detail. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- If it does I add it to the article if not then I will travel to Helsinki and try to find some old documents that probably are there and also ask if there are some other books. --HenriHa (talk) 15:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds like a plan, @HenriHa. Might need a little recce visit to Stockholm, also; the HEL-STO party boats should be in full swing this time of year. :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- If it does I add it to the article if not then I will travel to Helsinki and try to find some old documents that probably are there and also ask if there are some other books. --HenriHa (talk) 15:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa: okay, if it provides significant coverage of Lasse, and if the information there hasn't already been fully regurgitated by the Huldén text (in which case they would effectively be the same source), then that could work. Hard to say more without knowing the detail. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Finnarnas historia i Sverige, written by K. Tarkiainen in 1990, avaible only with swedish language. --HenriHa (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa: what's the other book? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- I found another book but it's used as source in kansallisbiografia so am I right when I think it isn't an independent source? I will get this book in this week. --HenriHa (talk) 12:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HenriHa: there is no fixed number as such, although three is often quoted as a minimum. Especially as Schück's book which you mention above only provides a single short chapter on Lasse (or rather, on this particular Lasse), then I would say you need one more solid source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- If I find more reliable sources, how many is enough for this kind of article? --HenriHa (talk) 07:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
I can't find anything about Lasse Huittinen in Finnarnas historia i Sverige, but that doesn't mean there isn't anything there – I haven't scrutinised the entire book. I see he was also known as "Lasse Kyrkotjuv" or "stora kyrkotjuven", so those search terms might be useful. Finlands medeltidsurkunder is interesting, as the original primary source. Primary sources don't show notability, but there is some information in that text that isn't in Schück, nor in the kansallisbiografia.fi source (for instance that he couldn't remember all the churches he had burgled). A question for @HenriHa:: is the online edition of Suomen kansallisbiografia different from the printed edition? I ask because the Huldén reference looks like it is an entry in the printed work, and if that is the same text as kansallisbiografia.fi it means it's the same source – I suspect the printed one is a bit longer though, because the online one is pretty short. On the other hand, that might mean that the online source doesn't add anything to the printed one. --bonadea contributions talk 18:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- The printed one is longer than this free online, but behind paywall there is longer online version, but I haven't bought it. The points I've added reference to online edition are points that are written on the free version. --HenriHa (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- In other words the free online edition which I have been used as reference is much shorter than printed edition, but there is also non-free online edition which is longer than free but I don't know is it different than printed edition or not. --HenriHa (talk) 18:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
December 12
03:22:07, 12 December 2022 review of draft by Kamalika Basu
- Kamalika Basu (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Bahulakshi ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Kamalika Basu (talk) 03:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
This draft consists of Hinduism, Philosophy, Pilgrims and Shaktism.
- @Kamalika Basu: Keep your $deity, they want me dead. Your first (publisher, ISBN/OCLC#), second (publisher, ISBN/OCLC#), and third (publisher, ISBN/OCLC#) references are all missing critical bibliographical information. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 04:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- What the hell ? I am not creating any propaganda.All books are available. You can buy those books or read as pdf. Read "নানারূপে সতীঅঙ্গ" by sujgata pine. Kamalika Basu (talk) 04:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Kamalika Basu: do you have a question you wish to ask? The draft has been resubmitted and is pending review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Kamalika Basu, when I read the first two paragraphs of your draft, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing about. This is a worldwide encyclopedia, and you need to explain the topic in a way that a high school student in South Africa or a college student in New Zealand or a 70 year old college graduate in California (like me) can understand. I think that I am pretty smart but I cannot make heads or tails out of your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 09:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Ok . I didn't understand that problem. Now you helped me to make out. Thank you. I will try my best. Kamalika Basu (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Kamalika Basu, when I read the first two paragraphs of your draft, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing about. This is a worldwide encyclopedia, and you need to explain the topic in a way that a high school student in South Africa or a college student in New Zealand or a 70 year old college graduate in California (like me) can understand. I think that I am pretty smart but I cannot make heads or tails out of your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 09:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Kamalika Basu: do you have a question you wish to ask? The draft has been resubmitted and is pending review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
08:07:58, 12 December 2022 review of draft by Karmaker
Need a neutral perspective on the subject.
Karmaker (talk) 08:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Karmaker: that is precisely what you get, when the draft is reviewed. Or if you have another question in mind, then please be specific. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Eliminate all promotional jargon and slang like "fin-tech" and "expat" and "assist initiatives" and "digitize infrastructure" and "m-governance strategy" and "advocacy for social change" and "core focus" and "shares his insights from the south" and "advocating inclusive achievement of Sustainable Development Goals". That is all meaningless babble of no encyclopedic value which should be ruthlessly trimmed from the draft. Do not try to insert a marketing brochure into the encyclopedia. The Neutral point of view is a core content policy and compliance with it is mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 08:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
10:16:35, 12 December 2022 review of draft by JanLuKr
I don't understand the critics. I have worked in Arren Bar-Even's research group in 2017 but do not consider this any conflict of interest since we only had a professional relationship. All the sources cited to outline his outstanding contributions to the field of synthetic biology and metabolic engineering are from peer-reviewed journals. How can I resolve this issue? I can also make a statement declaring no conflict of interest but I have never seen this in any wikipedia article.
Best,
Jan
JanLuKr (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- JanLuKr If you worked with the person you are writing about, that is indeed considered a conflict of interest. If the work was part of your job, that also counts as paid editing. 331dot (talk) 10:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JanLuKr: in that case you need to revise WP:COI, because there clearly is a conflict, which you must disclose. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, thank you very much for the input. I will add the (minimal) COI information on the article. I was not paid for any of my work on the wikipedia article but did it in my leisure time. JanLuKr (talk) 10:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry to bother you again but I am struggling to find the best way of disclosing my COI. I was a bachelor student in Arren Bar-Even's research group in 2017 and now I am doing my PhD in a similar research field without any relation to Arren Bar-Even (he died in 2020). I am simply fascinated by his research and would like to pay tribute to his contributions to the field of synthetic biology and metabolic engineering. Do you have advice abot how to disclose my COI on the article of Arren Bar-Even? It is my first time writing a wikipedia article and I am a bit lost in the terminologies.
- Thank you so much in advance! JanLuKr (talk) 10:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- JanLuKr, just make a similar declaration on your talk page. Please be aware that Wikipedia is not a place to "pay tribute" to anyone. Strict neutrality is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 19:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
12:42:29, 12 December 2022 review of submission by Controlvalue
- Controlvalue (talk · contribs) ()
- No draft specified!
Hi,
I hope you are well.
My recent draft of Professor Reinhard Pekrun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Reinhard_Pekrun) was deleted, arguing that it looks more like an advertisement. However, the I modeled the page after entries for others psychologists, like Rich M. Ryan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Ryan). Could you please clarify why the writing style was not appropriate in this, but it was acceptable in other very similar pages?
Furthermore, there is already a German Wikipedia article about Professor Reinhard Pekrun (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Pekrun), but that article is out of date, which is why I started working on a new page in the first place. How can I edit my draft to make it more suitable for the Wikipedia guidelines?
Best regards, Tiia Ladvelin
TL Controlvalue (talk) 12:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Controlvalue: you shouldn't model your drafts based on existing articles, as they may also have problems which you won't want to replicate; you should instead follow the various guidelines. In any case, promotionality (is that a word?) has much more to do with tone and style of writing, than with article structure and contents, so even if you are modelling yours on a good article you may still be introducing promotional tone and 'spin'. That said, I can't advise what specifically was wrong with your draft, as it's been deleted. All I can say is that you must write in neutral point of view and avoid puffery etc.
- The fact that an article on this person exists in another language version of Wikipedia is immaterial, as each language version is a separate project, with their own guidelines and policies.
- Last but not least, you must formally disclose your conflict of interest (COI) in this matter, and to help you do that I have posted a message on your talk page. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
13:24:45, 12 December 2022 review of draft by LMRizzo
My first reviewer mentioned that the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements), reliable, secondary, and strictly independent of the subject. The page is about a mining company that produces its own optimization software for open-pit problems. I have briefly written about the company's history and the optimization software they produce. These have been cited through newspapers and scientific articles. I have removed information contained in the company's LinkedIn page, since the reviewer mentioned I should not use LinkedIn, even if it is to disclose information released by the company itself. I have added multiple research works that have used the software in a variety of ways. I would like to know if there is anything else I can do in the meantime to improve my submission.
LMRizzo (talk) 13:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @LMRizzo: you're essentially asking for a fast-track review of the draft, which isn't something we do here at help desk. That said, I have had a quick look, and the sources seem mostly primary, whereas notability by WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. For the benefit of the next reviewer, you may wish to highlight (eg. on the draft talk page) the THREE sources that are strongest in terms of meeting the GNG standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
15:18:16, 12 December 2022 review of submission by Rubiesar
Rubiesar (talk) 15:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
hello, you said that you smell paid editing and COI from this submission but no one has being paid to work on the page.
I am sure this article meets all the Wikipedia standards and requirements according to Wiki guidelines. My article is about BJ Sam, an international singer and producer who assembles extremely gifted musicians and vocalists from all the continents of the world to create beautiful eclectic and delightful music for international projects, advertisement, broadcast, film and digital media.
BJ Sam was born in Nigeria and left the country when his music career began to bloom.
Kindly checkout his new release "Merry Christmas" featuring over 20 high profile musicians from all the continents of the world, which include Oscar nominee, Paul Raci, who is currently premiering his new film, Butcher’s Crossing with Nicholas Cage; Bollywood legend, Jaspinder Narula; Grammy voting pianist and journalist for York Times, Charu Suri; Monaco ballet star-singer, Lorena Baricalla; Ghanaian artiste, Diana Hopeson; and Japanese actor, Shinnosuke. All the acts drew on every last drop of their creativity and skill to give the world an impeccable Christmas song.
If you are yet to see BJ Sam's news on CNN, BBC, NBC etc, checkout the following:
The Vanguard https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/12/bj-sam-sets-global-record-with-merry-christmas/ Guardianhttps://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/international-star-bj-sam-brings-the-groove-back-home The SUN https://www.sunnewsonline.com/with-merry-christmas-bj-sam-sets-global-record/ Yahoo https://www.yahoo.com/news/bj-sam-releases-first-universal-073300596.html
Bgospel https://www.bgospel.com/merry-christmas-a-multicultural-melodic-christmas-song-by-bj-sam/
Journal http://journalofgospelmusic.com/christmas/merry-christmas-bj-sam/ Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2021-05-18/flare-tech-nigeria-limited-bj-sam-has-brought-music-stars-from-all-the-continents-of-the-world-to-sing-together-in-harmony Brazilian News https://gazetadasemana.com.br/noticia/56698/bj-sam-lanca-videoclipe-da-musica-merry-christmas--a-primeira-cancao-universal-de-natal Japan News https://japan.zdnet.com/release/30625753/ French News https://www.nouvelles-du-monde.com/bj-sam-a-amene-des-stars-de-la-musique-de-tous-les-continents-du-monde-a-chanter-ensemble-en-harmonie/
16:57:59, 12 December 2022 review of draft by LinoDom
Hi, I reread my submission and cannot find where it reads as non-objective or not encyclopedia-like, which were the reviewers comments. All statements seem to me to be factual, no hyperbole, and descriptive. External third party articles included also supported the statements I wrote. I just don't know what to do be more neutral...
LinoDom (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something, Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Theroadislong (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
19:10:28, 12 December 2022 review of submission by PressgirlV
- PressgirlV (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Bukky Leo ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi I have added a bunch of web citations to verify various parts of the big and the discog, including the No.1 chart position citation for the 'Rejoice in rightteousness' single, this is an offline citation as Echoes Magazine was not online in 1989, but as Paul W (previous reviewer said) said you would accept offline citations. Bukky Leo is a prolific artist who has been recording for decades. The problem is that for black artists like him, he puts the work in recording and collaborating and leading his own band, but it is very difficult to get the notable links you require, but you can see there is a Guardian citation, again it is offline as it was in the newspaper before the internet. But I have the scans if you want proof. It is a shame that artists like Bukky have to jump through hoops to get verified on Wiki, when other lesser known and less prolific artists can get a Wiki page with comparative ease. In any case, thank you for your time. I admit there are some coding errors in the WIki, which I don't know how to fix. But hope you will now see that there are plenty of citations and certifications of Bukky's extensive catalogue and agree that this is ready to approve?
Thank you! PressgirlV (talk) 19:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @PressgirlV: proposed articles on "artists like Bukky" (whatever you may be implying with that) have to "jump through hoops" just the same as those on any other subject; it is precisely that, which the AfC review process is trying to ensure. (Of course, not every article goes through the review, and some even pre-date the process entirely.)
- In any case, this draft has been rejected, following multiple earlier declines, and will therefore not be considered further. If some new evidence of notability has come to light since it was rejected, you may present that to the rejecting reviewer directly, but please understand that without a substantively stronger case, the rejection is unlikely to be reversed. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Request on 21:02:42, 12 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Gettycads
Absolutely rude verbiage from reviewers, aggression, rudeness and bullying.
Gettycads (talk) 21:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Enough already. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 21:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- We are volunteers and under no obligation to allow you to waste our time with junk. Slywriter (talk) 21:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
December 13
08:23:34, 13 December 2022 review of submission by Hairmer
I would like to point out that he meets WP:ANYBIO, which states "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times;" He has received awards from well known industry publications (Ad Age, AdWeek and Fast Company) as well as Distinguished Alumni Award from Ohio State University. The awards are from premier publications in the Ad industry as well as a top University. Note that the award providers also have Wikipedia pages, so they are well known publications.
- He is known for developing campaigns featuring company brand icons such as Progressive’s Flo and Progressive's Dr. Rick and the Aflac Duck. Also check Dr. Rick page, he is mentioned in there, as he helped develop this idea.
- Also check several articles about him, from various credible publications such as Wall Street Journal, bizjournals 1,bizjournals 2, AdAge, OSU.edu and more.
- It would make sense if this article was declined due to its content, but it won't make sense that he is not notable, so please have another look and tell me how it can be improved for another consideration. He meets criteria for notability of WP:ANYBIO as well as WP:BASIC.
Hairmer (talk) 08:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hairmer Awards don't typically contribute to notability unless the award itself merits an article(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award). He may be notable, but the sources offered are inappropriate for establishing that, as noted by the reviewer. This is why the draft was rejected, and will not be considered further at this time. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Hairmer: None of the sources you link to in your post is secondary, and it doesn't look like any of them is independent, either – I can't be sure about the adage one which is behind a paywall, but the others are based on press releases (the wsj one and the second bizjournals one is the same press release, minimally rewritten), except for the osu.edu one which is an "old alumnus profile" type text based on quotes from Cherney. --bonadea contributions talk 12:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- WP:ANYBIO says "well-known and significant award or honor"... All 3 awards are well known in the industry.I do not see that it says that it needs to be Nobel or Academy award. If there is such policy, please send the link here. In addition the "Distinguished Alumni Award from Ohio State University" is an honor. Your reasoning that these news are press releases are not valid, because if it was a press release then it would say so, specially when it is a major publication such as WSJ. Major publications often write based on a press releases. i.e if Tesla is launching their latest model, they put out a press release and publications would write about it. As long as the article is unique and not copied from a press release, then it is not a press release. Often times also publications rewrite popular stories from their competing publications, that doesn't mean it was a press release. If you look at this way, any corporate news is a press release. If there is any relevant policy about this, please send the link as I have not seen anything like that.
- Also take a look at these fastcompany, thejournalonline, Adweek, .cleveland.com/
- Also note that Wikipedia:BASIC States "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" .. currently there are 24 citations used, but there are many more out there. Hairmer (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
16:35:34, 13 December 2022 review of submission by Hickeygamez
- Hickeygamez (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Canadian Medical Education Journal ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
This page was originally declined due to a lack of independent sources. It has since been cited in multiple news articles particularly due to a recently published antisemitism article. The page has been updated to include these sources. It was also simplified to reduce unnecessary info. I am asking for it to be removed from the "reject" pile so I can submit it again in the future. Hickeygamez (talk) 16:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
16:38:09, 13 December 2022 review of submission by Stts02
- Stts02 (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:The Sweet Treats Man! (2022 Videogame) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
My page is for a cult-classic Indie Game created recently, and I'm requesting it for review, fix with the tables allignment and public visibility. Stts02 (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Stts02: the draft won't be reviewed, until you submit it for review.
- If you submit it as it currently stands, it will be declined for lack of referencing and any evidence of notability (plus possibly other reasons as well).
- 'Public visibility' comes after it has been published; that's pretty much the definition of it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, and by 'table alignment' you probably mean that you want to do an infobox (which, among other things, aligns to the right). In which case you need Template:Infobox video game (not that it matters in what comes to your draft's chances of being accepted). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed the infobox for you :) Hairmer (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Request on 17:14:39, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Sriram6419
- Sriram6419 (talk · contribs) ()
- User:Sriram6419/sandbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Sriram6419 You duplicated your draft here(unnecessary as it is linked to above), but did not ask a question. Your draft was rejected, and will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Request on 17:51:01, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Journalcontributor
- Journalcontributor (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Val Garland ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
My entry keeps getting rejected, I have used the 'live chat' for help and they went through a lot/ checked the sources with me, so I'm not sure what else i can do.
Journalcontributor (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Journalcontributor: what else you can do is, you need to rewrite this in a neutral tone and content, as explained in the decline notices. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Request on 20:59:39, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by 46.244.90.165
- 46.244.90.165 (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Janan's Kitchen, Restaurant, Ramallah, West Bank, Palestine ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I created a new article about an interesting restaurant, but it was not approved for publishing claiming that it's more like advertisement and that I didn't use any reliable sources. Even though I used around 10 different news articles/videos (none of them was written or published by the restaurant owners), as they are all published by different news agencies.
So, I am seeking your help in improving the article and getting it published. Thank you
46.244.90.165 (talk) 20:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Well, taking the question about sources first: among the 10 sources are three copies of the exact same text from 21 March this year ([18], [19], [20]), and two copies of another text from 2015 ([21], [22]). All these are clearly press releases, which means that they are not independent of the restaurant. (Surely you must have noticed that they were identical?)
- Secondly, the tone in the draft is promotional. I'm afrait it reads exactly like an advert. --bonadea contributions talk 21:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- In my opinion, this sounds like a run-of-the-mill restaurant. I cringe at thinking that an encyclopedia needs articles on restaurants. That is the purpose of travel guides and search engines and sites like Yelp. We don't want to put those sites out of business by taking over their functions, do we (humor)?
- There are millions of restaurants in the world, and they come and go, sometimes quickly. David10244 (talk) 06:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
I disagree. the first three resources you mentioned are about the same news article that was published on 3 different news agencies. I don't know if you can read Arabic, but it is a feature story and not a press release. As for the 2 other sources, they talk about the same event, but they are published by 2 different news agencies and are not the same, even though they talk about the same event. They are covered differently.
Again, none of the sources are press releases as you claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.244.90.165 (talk) 21:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- 3 (or 2) identical texts = 1 source. That the same text was published in different places does not turn it into different sources. Again, you cannot possibly have missed the fact that these texts are identical. What purpose does it serve to have multiple copies of the same text? As for "not press releases" – that's incorrect, the first one is clearly labelled Wafa (and one of the places it's published is wafa.ps, which is kind of a giveaway!). I know it can be tricky to spot this kind of thing, but once you know what to look for, it gets easier. --bonadea contributions talk 22:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
I don't think it's a big deal or discredits anything is the same story was published on 3 different news websites and all three of them were mentioned. At any rate, we can remove any 2 of them and keep the third.
As for the "Wafa", I am 100% that you are mistaken. It's a feature story and not a press release, and I assume that you know the difference. Maybe because you do not know Arabic, so you don't know the content, but try to translate it on google, to see that it's a feature story and not a press release.
Thanks for you comments though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.244.90.165 (talk) 11:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 review of submission by CNMall41
- 2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Los Angeles County Chair Pro Tem ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
22:35:57, 13 December 2022 review of submission by 2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- 2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 (talk · contribs) ()
- Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Request on 22:52:19, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Shobin karimzadeh
- Shobin karimzadeh (talk · contribs) ()
- User:Shobin karimzadeh/sandbox ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Shobin karimzadeh (talk) 22:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- What is your question, @Shobin karimzadeh? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
23:09:04, 13 December 2022 review of submission by PressgirlV
- PressgirlV (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Bukky Leo ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I have edited the Wiki again, added in a No. 1 Chart position for the track 'Rejoice In Righteousness' which was from Echoes magazine January 1989, I have the scan, but as it's an offline copy I cannot submit the URL. I have also extensively added citations for every single track on the Discography where you can see Bukky Leo played. I have scans of all the offline content and as Paul W said when I asked for advice, he can accept offline citations in good faith as long as they are notable. Bukky Leo is a respected, prolific artist with decades of work, but sadly as is the case with black musicians, they don't get the notable mentions, but as you can see there is a Guardian review in there, again an offline citation as it was published before The Guardian went online, there are lots of citations. Some very notable ones! Sorry for the errors in the code here and there, I don't know how to tidy that up, I hope you can help on that? Please review this submission. Less prolfic artists with fewer citations can make it and get their Wiki pages published, I know several examples of this, please do not make an old man jump through more hoops to get verified! I can't think of anyone more deserving.
PressgirlV (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- PressgirlV We don't have "wiki pages", we have articles. This is an important distinction. Please read other stuff exists. Other inappropriate articles existing does not mean that more should be added. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. We can only address what we know about. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to identify other inappropriate articles you see so we can act on them. As the draft was rejected, it will not be considered further. Please see the comments left by reviewers. 331dot (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
I have added another Guardian article as citation, this is notable surely? There are now 2 Guardian citations and 1 Telegraph citation, as well as an Echoes Mag No. 1 chart and various other citations from Southbank Centre, Ronnie Scotts, Resident Advisor, London Jazz News, Mr Bongo, Rhythm Passport and more.
Please tell me which of these articles are not notable enough?
PressgirlV (talk) 22:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- PressgirlV For additional comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating new sections. It's not the notability of the sources that is the issue- it is the notability of the person you are writing about. From what I can see, The Guardian piece doesn't even mention this person, never mind that it isn't significant coverage of him.
- I notice that your name is "PressgirlV"; do you have an association with this musician? 331dot (talk) 23:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
December 14
11:56:20, 14 December 2022 review of submission by Geo Edu
Dear Team of Wikipedia, We handed in an entry on “Geography Education” and our latest version was declined because it “is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia”. For us it is difficult to understand because the entry fits to the five pillars of Wikipedia. We wrote the article for the purpose that people, who do not know anything about “Geography Education” can inform themselves with the help of the Wikipedia article. We think “Geography Education” can best be described/defined by answering the fundamental questions: What is geography education? Why is geography education important? How do we learn and teach geography? and consider “Research in Geography education”.Our Geography Education article has been written with help of more than 10 professors in geography education from countries all over the world. The process of writing started in september 2021 under the auspices of the IGU-CGE and a draft version has been discussed at our 2022 IGU conference in Paris.
We are happy to change, amend and adjust the article, however we do not know how to proceed. Is it possible to E-Mail or zoom with somebody or receive a more precise feedback?
Geo Edu (talk) 11:56, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Geo Edu Who is "we"? Your account should only be operated by a single person. Do you represent a group? It appears that you have a conflict of interest in this topic area.
- As the draft was rejected, it will not be considered further. You did not write an encyclopedia article that neutrally summarizes the topic, you wrote a piece to sell it and tout its benefits. There are places to do that, this isn't one of them. Please read the comments left by reviewers, and discuss further concerns here, for openness and transparency. If you want more of a chat, please see WP:IRC. 331dot (talk) 12:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please note that Wikipdia articles never ask questions like "What is geography education?" "Why is geography education important?" and "How do we learn and teach geography?" Theroadislong (talk) 12:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- If that draft is a copyvio, shouldn't it be deleted? David10244 (talk) 05:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please note that Wikipdia articles never ask questions like "What is geography education?" "Why is geography education important?" and "How do we learn and teach geography?" Theroadislong (talk) 12:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Geo Edu: this is contrary to Wikipedia's purpose, in that we don't include essays, advocacy, how-to manuals, etc.; just straight-up encyclopaedia articles. And while a suitable article conceivably could be written on the subject of geography education, it would need to be approached differently. For that, I would like to refer you to WP:YFA and various essays found eg. at WP:NUTART. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
December 15
08:04:28, 15 December 2022 review of draft by Dheeran vamsam
- Dheeran vamsam (talk · contribs) ()
- Draft:Which caste is economically and traditional developed in tamil nadu ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Dheeran vamsam (talk) 08:04, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Dheeran vamsam: you don't ask a question, but I have rejected your draft and requested that it be deleted. This is not a suitable title or approach for an article, to say nothing of the fact that it was pretty incoherent and completely unreferenced.
- We welcome your contributions, but I would suggest that you start by editing some existing articles first, until you become familiar with the way articles are put together and how the site works generally. When you feel ready to create your first article, please see WP:YFA and use the article wizard. In the meantime, you can ask for help at the TEAHOUSE. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
09:38:58, 15 December 2022 review of draft by Wolfgang Radecke
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- Draft:Divisibility for all divisors relative prime to 10 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Error: Invalid time. I try but is results in an error {displaystyle…
Wolfgang Radecke (talk) 09:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Wolfgang Radecke, I don't quite understand your question but if this is a general editing question, I recommend the Teahouse or maybe WikiProject Math. S0091 (talk) 20:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Wolfgang Radecke This draft is a math paper, which is "original research". Wikipedia does not allow WP:OR. David10244 (talk) 07:01, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Request on 13:36:48, 15 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Angelagh
I would like to get specific feedback on how to improve this article instead of the same generic responses. What exactly needs to be changed -- highlight specific wording or phrases that don't meet the standards. I'm feeling stuck as I've made significant changes in the last few edits but received the exact same rejection message from the original to the vastly modified versions.
Thanks for your help!
Angelagh (talk) 13:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Angelagh: this draft has so many issues, the POV being just one of them, that to provide a comprehensive listing would be quite an undertaking; probably easier if I were to rewrite this myself (which I obviously won't). I also can't help noting that you've been paid to write this, so... isn't the onus on you, rather, to figure out how to write it in a way that is acceptable? Or am I being unreasonable? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- My specific feedback would be to spend a few months editing Wikipedia to get a feel for how things work, you are being paid to edit and we are all volunteers here, why should we help you? Your draft will need a complete re-write, IMDb is never a reliable source and her Fan club website clearly isn't independent. Theroadislong (talk) 14:21, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
19:08:50, 15 December 2022 review of submission by Johnnyhelpingyou
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- Draft:Zachary Debacco ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
This profile is not a joke. Zachary Debacco has made significant contributions to the Sarasota County Area. He encourage and brought the IB program to Venice High. Without him, the school and the program would probably be wildly different. He just means so much to us students, the parents, and the community. He's been with the school for over 20 years, and we are just trying to show him some love.
Johnnyhelpingyou (talk) 19:08, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Johnnyhelpingyou Wikipedia is not a place to recognize or honor someone, but a place to summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. You could try alternative forums with less stringent requirements. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Johnnyhelpingyou Wikipedia doesn't publish profiles. We want encyclopedia articles. As 331dot mentioned, you'll need independent, published references on which to base an article. David10244 (talk) 07:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
20:56:29, 15 December 2022 review of draft by MasterMatt12
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- Draft:Seterra ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
MasterMatt12 (talk) 20:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if adding info on Seterra memberships and their benefits would be considered advertising? Thanks, Matthew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterMatt12 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @mastermatt12: if you could write it in a neutral point of view, no, it would not be advertising. lettherebedarklight晚安 08:37, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
21:09:56, 15 December 2022 review of draft by ElisabethDiAngelo
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- Draft:Citizen Soldier (band) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I replaced all sources. Is it fine now?
ElisabethDiAngelo (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @elisabethdiangelo: i would say no.
(This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.) | ||||
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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https://www.citizensoldierband.com/about | this source is the band's website. | i would hope that the band is reliable about the band, | and that they would cover themselves significantly. | ✘ No |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrwvdRxFt-E&t=1731s | interviews with the subject are not independent of the subject. | this is someone's youtube channel. | yeah, 50 minutes of this. | ✘ No |
https://indiebandguru.com/citizen-soldier/ | again, interviews with the subject are not independent of the subject. | ? i am uncertain, and it's a moot point anyway. | ✘ No | |
https://open.spotify.com/artist/7fM0h2CG7zKqKc0jEa1b4R | this is just the spotify link for the band | ✘ No | ||
https://centerstagemag.com/article/3340/Citizen-Soldier--Down-the-Rabbit-Hole | yet again, interviews with the subject are not independent of the subject. | ? uncertain but moot | ✘ No | |
Table created using {{source assess table}} |
lettherebedarklight晚安 08:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
December 16
02:43:34, 16 December 2022 review of submission by Kernel123
Kernel123 (talk) 02:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
02:43:34, 16 December 2022 review of submission by Kernel123
Help Me, Please! Draft: 10,001
- @kernel123: your draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. lettherebedarklight晚安 09:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
03:54:23, 16 December 2022 review of draft by 2601:380:8480:65C0:38C9:A596:3350:898B
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- Draft:Little Rock Fire Department ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hello! I am a proud firefighter and with other great cities having pages for their fire services, I am trying to build one for Little Rock. Now, the first submit was denied, and I dont want the page to get deleted, so please tell me exactly what needs to happen to get this page submitted and approved :)
2601:380:8480:65C0:38C9:A596:3350:898B (talk) 03:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
what needs to happen
is that you need to gather at least two or three independent, reliable sources that covers the subject significantly. your sources, on the other hand...
(This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.) | ||||
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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https://www.littlerock.gov/city-administration/city-departments/fire-department/ | just the fire department's website. | ✘ No | ||
https://www.littlerock.gov/city-administration/city-departments/fire-department/operations/ | still the fire department's website. | ✘ No | ||
https://sitefinity.uniontrack.com/local0034 | still the fire department's website. | ✘ No | ||
https://www.littlerock.gov/media/5203/lrfd-2017-annual-report-2.pdf | still the fire department's website. | ✘ No | ||
https://metroems.org/ | ? this is a homepage, did you mean to link to a subpage of the website? | ? | ? | ? Unknown |
https://gisservices-dallasgis.opendata.arcgis.com/maps/DallasGIS::dfr-fire-districts/explore | ? this appears to be a map of fire districts?? | ? | ? | ? Unknown |
Table created using {{source assess table}} |
- as an aside, help:referencing for beginners has advice on how to reference your sources properly. "https://www.littlerock.gov/city-administration/city-departments/fire-department/ ->https://www.littlerock.gov/city-administration/city-departments/fire-department/operations/ ->https://sitefinity.uniontrack.com/local0034 ->https://www.littlerock.gov/media/5203/lrfd-2017-annual-report-2.pdf ->https://metroems.org/" is not proper referencing, to say the least. lettherebedarklight晚安 09:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
07:43:02, 16 December 2022 review of submission by Realwebteam
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- Draft:Novakid ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
This page is translation of approved russian version Novakid Novakid. Page prepared according all rules with advice (on sednbox) of experiansed wiki users. Russian sources are not applicable so i find english one. In russian media they have high notability. Novakid is notable example of business model.
Will be appritiate for advice. RWTM 07:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- @realwebteam: your draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. the english wikipedia has much higher standards for inclusion than the russian wikipedia. lettherebedarklight晚安 09:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
07:58:23, 16 December 2022 review of submission by LordVoldemort728
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- Draft:Ram Rati Bind ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I want to know that why this draft was declined. This draft is about a notable person because he served as Member of Lok Sabha, Lower House of Indian Parliament so this draft meets WP:NPOL.
𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️Let's Talk ! 07:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- @LordVoldemort728: do not ask your question at more than one venue. your question has been answered at wikipedia:teahouse#Why my draft declined?. lettherebedarklight晚安 09:09, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
14:25:45, 16 December 2022 review of submission by 8090updesh
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- Draft:Updesh Kumar Singh ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
8090updesh (talk) 14:25, 16 December 2022 (UTC)