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Deleting and protecting a page
how can I delete a page created by me? And how can I protect a page from vandalism? I mean how can I protect a page from some users so those users can't edit the page ? Crazy975 (talk) 09:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Crazy975 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are the only editor of a page or article, you can make an author request speedy delete proposal by placing {{db-g7}} at the top(as it appears when viewing this page, not in the edit window where I have coding to suppress its function). If it's a page in your user space, you can use {{db-u1}}.
- If an article or page is subject to vandalism, the vandals may be reported to WP:AIV. If there is a habitual, demonstratable problem with vandalism on an article or page, you may request page protection at WP:RFPP. Note that "vandalism" has a specific meaning, which is attempts to deface an article- it isn't edits made that you simply disagree with. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok but what if the page is mine ? How can I delete my own page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 09:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- As I said, if the page is in your user space, place {{db-u1}} at the top. If it is elsewhere, and you are the only contributor, you may use {{db-g7}}. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- I am just writing {{ and it asked for a corresponding template.
- What should I write in the template?
- Are you talking about deleting a page or protecting it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Crazy975 To request deletion, you need to place exactly what I wrote- {{db-u1}} if it's in your user space.
- Looking at your edits, you seem to want to preemptively protect your sandbox from vandalism- we do not preemptively protect pages. There must be a demonstratable problem with vandalism. Do you have reason to think that your sandbox will be vandalized? 331dot (talk) 10:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- I am doing this because I wanna have a experience of doing this .
- I apologize
- Btw , what if I want to protect a page created by me ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Also how did you view my sandbox without adding a view to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Please make sure to properly sign your posts going forward with four tildes(~~~~) so we know you wrote them. As I said, we do not preemptively protect pages. There must be an actual problem with vandalism on a page, typically that blocking the vandals does not address. Sandboxes are not likely to be vandalized, as they are not easy to find unless someone knows it exists. I looked at your edit history, which any editor may view. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Sinebot is signing my posts no need to sign Crazy975 (talk) 10:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- It is much preferred that you sign your own posts. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok ok but I am just doing so for practice . I was asking if it was my own page how can I protect it ?
- I mean , I am trying to protect my page I order to learn this and do this more efficiently in the future Crazy975 (talk) 10:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- As I said, you can request page protection at WP:RFPP but it will not be accepted unless you have an actual problem with vandals vandalizing the page at issue. Please do not request protection unless that is the case. 331dot (talk) 10:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Crazy975: Your user page is not "yours" per se as explained here; it's a loaner so to speak and you're being allowed to use free of charge. Others will for the most part leave it be as long as it is in accordance with Wikipedia:User pages. However, if you start using it in an inappropriate way or adding content to it that violates some Wikipedia policy (e.g. copyright policy violations, biographies of living persons policy violations, excessively promotional content policy violations) another user or a WP:BOT may edit the page if necessary, even without warning, to remove or otherwise address those violations. You can't protect the page or prevent others from editing it yourself; only an administrator can do that, and they will only do so as a last resort to prevent serious disruption or policy violations as explained in Wikipedia:Page protection.You can't delete a page yourself; only an adminsitrator can delete a page. If you want a page deleted, you will need to ask an administrator to do so. There are different reasons why a page may be deleted, and you can find out some more about them in Wikipedia:Deletion policy.Finally, anyone can see your user sandbox simply by going to page and looking at it. You can't hide the contents of the page from public view. In fact, anyone can see anything you post on any Wikipedia page as explained here. If you want to keep something private, you shouldn't post it anywhere on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- It is much preferred that you sign your own posts. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Sinebot is signing my posts no need to sign Crazy975 (talk) 10:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Please make sure to properly sign your posts going forward with four tildes(~~~~) so we know you wrote them. As I said, we do not preemptively protect pages. There must be an actual problem with vandalism on a page, typically that blocking the vandals does not address. Sandboxes are not likely to be vandalized, as they are not easy to find unless someone knows it exists. I looked at your edit history, which any editor may view. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- You type "db-u1" in the pop-up. Carpimaps (talk) 11:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- As I said, if the page is in your user space, place {{db-u1}} at the top. If it is elsewhere, and you are the only contributor, you may use {{db-g7}}. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok but what if the page is mine ? How can I delete my own page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 09:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
"What I tell you three times is true." (Lewis Carroll). You have been told three times that protection only applies after there is evidence of vandalism. Vandalized articles get protected. At times, editors' User page are vandalized - often as revenge for edits to an article - an can also be protected. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Okokok how can I tell an administrator to delete my page? There is a reason to delete my page: it's not needed and is bagus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC) Crazy975 (talk) 10:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- I've answered this question at least twice in this discussion. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- You can delete all content on your User page. You can delete all content on your Talk page. You can delete all content in your Sandbox. You have also been told how to use the Db function to request an Administrator to delete those pages entirely. Or, given that your account is less than a week old, delete content and abandon the account. Or, continue to be obtuse and your account will be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- I've answered this question at least twice in this discussion. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Ok people , it's ok Crazy975 (talk) 13:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Effort to correct Japanese naming convention
I am very new to this and hope this is the right place to ask. In Japanese, the correct order of speaking someone's name is their family name followed by their first name. Across Wikipedia and many other western sources of information this order is reversed. Where might one go to discuss potentially changing this policy, so that the family name is put first? Alonewestand (talk) 17:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Alonewestand Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps I misunderstand you, but if you want to change all articles about people so that their family name is first, so that Joe Biden would be "Biden Joe", that is not going to happen. Articles about people are titled by the most commonly used name for the person, and based in their culture. Japanese names should be as they are in Japan, and names in Western countries like the US/UK should be as they are there. If you still wish to attempt to change the policy, the Village Pump is the best place to start. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)- I think I did misunderstand, so I am striking this. Please disregard. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- However, "correcting", say, the people at List of Japanese Americans is not the way to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think I did misunderstand, so I am striking this. Please disregard. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Alonewestand en-WP:s guidance on this is at WP:JTITLE. If there is something there you wish to discuss changing, the place to start is the talkpage of that page. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Alonewestand (talk) 18:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note also that there are templates like this:
- The article Yoko Ono is titled per WP:COMMONNAME. Because, you know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Not understanding why my article is not approved
I attempted to write an article about Marshall Weber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marshall_Weber and was given feedback that there were not enough references. So I added more references. I believe that they are reliable, they include mainstream newspapers and other arts sites. One of them was the website of a non profit that Weber founded. He has founded other non-profits as well, and has had a career as an artist. I could remove that reference, but not sure that is helpful. I am not sure what else to do. I stuck a big list of links ("more info") at the bottom, which is messy and could be removed but I am at a loss. The process has taken a long time, perhaps I did not see a notification when it was reviewed again. This article is more thorough than others that I have created without the push-back. I have a difficult time figuring out how to communicate with the various editors and reviewers, so may not have done everything possible. I got no response to my comment on the talk page. A consultant of some kind from "Wiki Submissions" contacted Marshall Weber to help him make the web page, but he is not the one writing it, and this is not a commercial endeavor. It seems weird that commercial (?) consultants are trolling the rejections.... FYI, like other artists that I have made pages for, I know him personally. All Wikipedia entries that I have created and edited are out of personal interest, because I admire the subjects work. Thank you ::User:cleshne — Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Just cleaned up the citations a bit. You need to either move that list of references at the bottom into in-line citations in the article, because you should only have 2-3 external links. Find what info you go from the sources and add in the reference to that appropriate section. And delete the rest besides for maybe his website. PalauanReich (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: the feedback did not say that "there were not enough references". It said that the references were not good enough. It was hoping for better references, not more references (though it could have made this clearer). Maproom (talk) 06:54, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, cleshne, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Commercial consultants" (aka scammers) troll the rejections because they've seen that they can prey on people who don't understand what Wikipedia is, and think that it's like most of the internet, and you can get on it by paying enough. This is wrong on two counts: first, that Wikipedia will keep articles only if their subjects meet the criteria of notability, and secondly, that "being on Wikipedia" (actually, being the subject of a Wikipedia article) may not be what they want: see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Such consultants are absolutely not approved by Wikipedia (even the honest ones), but as long as they act within Wikipedia's rules, they are free to work here.
- On the subject of Draft:Marshall Weber: nothing from Weber or his associates, or anything founded by him, counts towards establishing notability. As well as being reliable, most sources need to be independent. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Hibernia
What does the word Hibernian mean 2601:646:C200:3240:843A:3EF4:F04A:8A74 (talk) 00:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hibernia is the Latin name for Ireland. So, Hibernian is a synonym for Irish. In the future please ask questions like this at the Reference desks. Cullen328 (talk) 00:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Or, next time you can try visiting the Wikipedia page of the same name (e.g. Hibernian). GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Pending draft
I submitted a draft, Draft:Santhal Family, on 15 December, 2022. It has been pending review for over 3 months now. Now I usually just leave drafts at that, until they get reviewed by someone. However, I received no reviews or updates at all on this one, and it's been like that since December. Any way I can speed up the review procedure? And, if not that, can I remove the submission tag and publish the article directly (of course, even in that case, someone will review it later)? I have created a couple of appropriately-referenced articles on Wikipedia before, so I am confident this won't be a bad idea. What step must I take? Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 00:49, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- AfC is an optional process, and if you already confident about the notability you can just move it to mainspace. Note that it will have to survive NPP. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate: All you can do is wait. I left a comment in the draft, however. One paragraph needs major re-work. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- The image you have in the draft is of a different sculpture by Beij. David notMD (talk) 08:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Image corrected. David notMD (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- The image you have in the draft is of a different sculpture by Beij. David notMD (talk) 08:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate: All you can do is wait. I left a comment in the draft, however. One paragraph needs major re-work. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Copyright Violation Procedures or Vandalism?
A user has completely erased the body of the Killing of Tyre Nichols page on the pretense that it has been "riddled with copyright violations." The listing they filed on the Copyright Investigation page is blank - it contains no information substantiating the allegation of copyright infringement. A Copyvios report finds that the page does not violate copyright. I have restored the original and provided an explanation on the talk page. The user has refused to engage on the talk page and erased the page four times now.
Is this actual copyright violation procedure or vandalism? Can you really just nuke a page and claim that it's copyrighted with no need to substantiate the claim or wait for the admin/copy clerk team to investigate? Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 07:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Combefere As it clearly states in bold in the template the only people who may remove copyvio blanking templates are admins, copyright clerks and VRT agents. There are no situations in which it would be appropriate for you to remove that template. Even if the article is not a copyright violation that is a determination to be made by the people at WP:CP.
- The report at WP:CP is not "blank", it clearly states that the article contains copying from sources. On the talk page of the article they have explained in more detail that the issues are copy pasted sentences and unattributed quoting.
- Earwig's copyvio tool is a tool, you need some degree of experience with interpreting it's output and some familiarity with copyvios to figure out what the results mean. You cannot just say "the percentage is low, so it's not a copyvio". There are plenty of ways of committing copyvio that the tool cannot detect, e.g. close paraphrasing, rearranging sentence fragments or copying from offline sources, and there are situations in which the tool will give false positives.
- WikiWikiWayne's edits are not vandalism under any reasonable interpretation of the wikipedia definition of the term, and you should stop referring to them as such. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 13:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
draft : hossein saei
Hello, I hope you are well. I wrote a draft about the profsor and actor named( Hossein Saei)ssand used as many sources as possible. Please fix the problem and confirm the page. I wish your always be healthy ............. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hossein_Saei
This is the ID of the actor : https://www.imdb.com/name/nm14636468/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk Tinaabdollahi (talk) 07:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Tinaabdollahi. Your draft is nowhere near ready to be accepted. It is poorly written, poorly structured and poorly referenced. You mentioned the actor appearing in a film but you linked to the article about a month in the Islamic calendar instead of an article about a film. That makes no sense. Several important assertions in your draft are unreferenced. That's not acceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, you are referring to the old draft. I made this edit yesterday, March 19, and all items have been corrected. Unfortunately, user User:Dan_arndt deleted Tinaabdollahi (talk) 10:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Tinaabdollahi It was deleted by an administrator as being unambiguous advertising. Using Wikipedia for promotion is never acceptable. If you based your draft on the rubbish written on IMDB (as you linked above), then I'm not surprised you got the tone wrong. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Tinaabdollahi: If you haven't already done so, I suggest reading Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Mike's point = IMDb is not accepted as a reference because even if the information is true, content there is added by anyone, with no editorial oversight. For same reason, Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references. See WP:42 and WP:BACKWARD for insight on referencing before trying again. David notMD (talk) 17:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- After looking at your Talk page, clear that several Administrators have Speedy deleted your attempts to create a draft about Hossein Saei. Perhaps time to stop trying. David notMD (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Mike's point = IMDb is not accepted as a reference because even if the information is true, content there is added by anyone, with no editorial oversight. For same reason, Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references. See WP:42 and WP:BACKWARD for insight on referencing before trying again. David notMD (talk) 17:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Tinaabdollahi: If you haven't already done so, I suggest reading Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Tinaabdollahi It was deleted by an administrator as being unambiguous advertising. Using Wikipedia for promotion is never acceptable. If you based your draft on the rubbish written on IMDB (as you linked above), then I'm not surprised you got the tone wrong. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, you are referring to the old draft. I made this edit yesterday, March 19, and all items have been corrected. Unfortunately, user User:Dan_arndt deleted Tinaabdollahi (talk) 10:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Pending Draft
Hello, I have submitted the Draft:Right to Recall Party but it was declined. Now I have improved it more references. Can you please check the draft and give suggestions to me. Thanks Info.apsharma (talk) 08:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Info.apsharma Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have submitted it for a review and it is pending; please be patient. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Content is extremely detailed for a political party that has never reached 1% of votes in any election. David notMD (talk) 08:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Sort of like the Libertarian party in the United States. But yes, there are many irrelevant details in that draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Content is extremely detailed for a political party that has never reached 1% of votes in any election. David notMD (talk) 08:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Muir Seamount
"This was interpreted as indicating an increase in flow [form] colder waters of Antarctic flow, and the stagnation of the North American flows.[3]"[1] The word "form", seen in brackets in the example quoted from the 4 sentence of the 2 paragraph, is this the correct word in this sentence? My head wants to say "from" instead, but I'm not certain enough to edit it forthwith. (Plus, I don't know how to edit it...) RCMisNapping (talk) 09:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Muir Seamount. That sentence makes little sense, even if you replace "form" by "from". It has been there since the article was created. I think it'll need someone with access to the source cited to figure out what it's meant to say. Maproom (talk) 10:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @RCMisNapping There is enough of the citation available at this URL for me to be fairly confident to change the article's wording as I've done here. Feel free to reword further if you think that would help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Red link for someone who already has a Wikipedia page
This page: List of fellows of the Society of Antiquaries of_London has a red-link entry for "Reverend J. Charles Cox (1844–1919), Author" but I believe Wikipedia actually has a page about this person here: John_Charles_Cox though that page gives his birth year as 1843. Not sure what to do. Neverkippled (talk) 13:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Neverkippled: Hi there! I suggest posting your question on the article's talk page: Talk:List of fellows of the Society of Antiquaries of London. If you don't receive a response in a couple days, try posting your question at Talk:John Charles Cox. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Neverkippled GoingBatty gave good advice, though I quickly checked the source which actually stated 1843, so I think the 1844 was a typo. Nice spotting! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- I got a message from another user who connected up the link, so I think it's sorted out now. Thanks for the helpful replies! Neverkippled (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Neverkippled GoingBatty gave good advice, though I quickly checked the source which actually stated 1843, so I think the 1844 was a typo. Nice spotting! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Jumbled links
Novice editor. Article internal links to various universities redirect ok in edit mode and publish mode, but "Download as PDF" jumbles these internal links in a somewhat random manner. Billyboybliss (talk) 14:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Billyboybliss Welcome to the Teahouse. Are you referring to problems in the draft User:Billyboybliss/sandbox in your sandbox? If not, please specify which article. Your draft has various problems that you may be able to fix yourself after reading H:YFA and information about inline citations at WP:CITE. If not, come back into this thread with a more specific question and someone will help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- I forgot to say thank you for the welcome to Teahouse. I was unaware of the process of becoming a Wikipedian, and the challenge of writing an entry. But enjoying the opportunity. Thank you for your advice regar
- ding Billyboybliss/sandbox. Billyboybliss (talk) 11:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Billyboybliss: I have made some tests on different pages. It appears that if a link is broken into two lines in a PDF download then clicking anywhere in those two lines will go to the target of that link. If a line both starts and ends with a broken link then the ending link controls the target. I didn't find this bug in a quick search of our bug tracker. I will search more carefully later and submit it if I don't find an existing report. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter, @Billyboybliss Ah, yes, I see now after looking carefully at the download. The issue is most obvious in the text with multiple wikilinks in one line (The Education University of Hong Kong, Queen's University at Kingston, Rhodes University, Stellenbosch University, and University of Victoria). In the .pdf all the links within a single line point to the article which is the last on the same line in the download. That looks like a Wikipedia bug, nothing to do with any shortcomings in the draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- After trying some other articles in mainspace, just in case there was something odd with the sandbox , I found that the bug is not always obvious but is certainly present in mesotrione, for example in the section Mesotrione#Agricultural use which has a large number of consecutive wikilinks to species names. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Tried a few strategies to separate the Wikilinks [including <br >] but the only way I found to work reliably was bullet pointing the line with The Education University of Hong Kong, Queen's University at Kingston, Rhodes University, Stellenbosch University, and University of Victoria. Billyboybliss (talk) 10:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- After trying some other articles in mainspace, just in case there was something odd with the sandbox , I found that the bug is not always obvious but is certainly present in mesotrione, for example in the section Mesotrione#Agricultural use which has a large number of consecutive wikilinks to species names. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter, @Billyboybliss Ah, yes, I see now after looking carefully at the download. The issue is most obvious in the text with multiple wikilinks in one line (The Education University of Hong Kong, Queen's University at Kingston, Rhodes University, Stellenbosch University, and University of Victoria). In the .pdf all the links within a single line point to the article which is the last on the same line in the download. That looks like a Wikipedia bug, nothing to do with any shortcomings in the draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Edit War
Hello, I am trying to improve Education Ecosystem page, but an editor keeps reverting my changes. I have mentioned my edits on the talk page of the article. Can someone please check and let me know why I can't remove the blacklisted references and format it a bit? Thank you Shakycatto (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Shakycatto: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you have also engaged I am Being Here to Help You on their talk page. I hope you'll continue your conversation with that editor, and hope others will engage on the article talk page discussion you started a few hours ago. I don't think any of the references are "blacklisted", but some are considered "unreliable". GoingBatty (talk) 17:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @GoingBatty Hello, I am much obliged for your response. Well, I say, I very much hate to edit-war, but I have mentioned quite fairly that "unreliable" sources are not enough to remove loads of information. But anyway, thank you for the clarification to @Shakycatto, a new user whom you really can't blame. I'm Here to Help You (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @I am Being Here to Help You: Would you prefer that Shakycatto tagged the "unreliable sources" with {{unreliable source}} or find a more reliable source? GoingBatty (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Probably find a more reliable source, but what I wanted was to stop @Shakycatto from erasing the information without evidence of it being incorrect. I'm Here to Help You (talk) 17:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @I am Being Here to Help You & @Shakycatto: I changed some of the "unreliable" sources to use {{cite press release}} to clearly show they're not independent sources. GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for helping out! I'm Here to Help You (talk) 18:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @I am Being Here to Help You & @Shakycatto: I changed some of the "unreliable" sources to use {{cite press release}} to clearly show they're not independent sources. GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Probably find a more reliable source, but what I wanted was to stop @Shakycatto from erasing the information without evidence of it being incorrect. I'm Here to Help You (talk) 17:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @I am Being Here to Help You: Would you prefer that Shakycatto tagged the "unreliable sources" with {{unreliable source}} or find a more reliable source? GoingBatty (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @GoingBatty Hello, I am much obliged for your response. Well, I say, I very much hate to edit-war, but I have mentioned quite fairly that "unreliable" sources are not enough to remove loads of information. But anyway, thank you for the clarification to @Shakycatto, a new user whom you really can't blame. I'm Here to Help You (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- What a weird article! It says plenty about the subject's fund-raising, but little about what it actually does. It "intends to teach people how to build complete products in future technological fields" - so one day it will write courses about topics that don't exist yet. Maproom (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Bhai nand Lal page copy editing
So I am working on fixing this page: Bhai Nand Lal I am focusing on the grammar, and fixed the early life section, but the section below it states that a man of Hindu faith cannot have such knowledge of the Quran. However, Lal was a Sikh which is confusing me a lot. Plus, the bad grammar and spelling used in the article makes it hard for me to understand what is going on.
The only reference is a really long book in Punjabi (i think that is what it is) so can someone help me in understanding what the article says? Vamsi20 (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- The page isn’t linking for some reason Vamsi20 (talk) 19:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- That paragraph is very confused, and in particular it is not made clear who held or stated that view. Earlier in the paragraph it refers to a "non-Muslim", and I wonder if it might be that the Mughals disdained to distinguish between different non-Muslims, and simply called them all Hindu. ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I wonder about that too.
- Also, I see no other record of that entire paragraph happening except for that Punjabi book (the only reference), maybe I’m missing something there.
- There’s no record I could find about the letter and the interpretation. Will do more research into the Hindu subject. Vamsi20 (talk) 20:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- I did a bit more research and I found this from sikhwiki.org’s page on Lal:
- ” When he left the service of Prince Mu'azzam, cannot be determined exactly. The premise that he was dismissed by Aurangzeb owing to his father Chhajju Mall's having been a favourite of Dara has been proven false by the fact that he continued long in service under Prince Mu'azzam. There is a story that Aurangzeb had been dissatisfied with the meaning or interpretation of a verse from the Koran and had given the matter over to the Ulama. No one was able to settle the Emperor's mind on the subject when Prince Mu'azzam asked Nand Lal to take a try at giving an interpretation that might satisfy Aurangzeb.
- Nand Lal's version was sent to the Emperor who was, it is said, delighted with his interpretation, but when he noticed the name was a Hindu name, Aurangzeb is said to have become upset that an non-believer should have a better mastery of the Koran than his own court theologians. However, he was given a robe of honor and a monetary reward, but the Emperor is said to have thought that such a scholar should be persuaded to accept Islam.”
- So I think the Emperor got confused and thought Lal was a Hindu due to his name, or just was dissatisfied at his being non-Muslim.
- The only info I could find about Mughals not distinguishing non-Muslims is that they treated non-Muslims like second-class citizens, but there is no info of them calling every non-Muslim a Hindu. Vamsi20 (talk) 20:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
How do I propose a new change?
I think I figured out how to solve the Bonnie and clyde problem with wikidata. We need to be able to have Wikidata anchors on sections. One with a wikidata anchor may have links appear to other sections or articles in other languages. Removing a wikidata anchored section would require approval closer to deleting or merging an article. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 20:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- You're proposing a change on Wikidata, so you need to argue it there. It wouldn't surprise me if it has been discussed before. First read d:WD:Bonnie and Clyde problem, and follow any relevant links. Then if you still think your idea is a goer, suggest it at d:WD:Project chat. ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Reference help please
Hello. I am currently trying to create a draft in my sandbox. I am trying to use a source more than once in the article, but it is being duplicated in the reflist. How do I stop that from happening? QuicoleJR (talk) 20:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Please ping me btw. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- QuicoleJR, please read WP:NAMEDREFS. In brief, you fully define the reference once, assign it a name, and then invoke it using the name of the reference in some wikicode. Follow the syntax carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- @QuicoleJR To assist you re-using a named or numbered reference, both of our editing tools offer you the ability to find and redeploy them. In our source editor, click the little clipboard icon next to 'Named Reference' in the toolbar. In Visual Editor there's actually a seperate tab you can click to reuse a reference. Weirdly, that editing tool doesn't let you name the reference yourself - it simply numbers them. So I name mine using the Source Editor on first use via the Cite popup window, and then switch back over to the other editor if I want more of a WYSIWYG feel whilst editing.
- I hope this has helped, and not confused you further! Nick Moyes (talk) 21:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- QuicoleJR, please read WP:NAMEDREFS. In brief, you fully define the reference once, assign it a name, and then invoke it using the name of the reference in some wikicode. Follow the syntax carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
COI question
Sorry for asking this again, but I am still a bit confused on the COI guidelines. The Grain de Sel Togo, Inc. article has been almost entirely created or edited by its founder, Khoun75. I added the COI template on the page but still am wondering if I should message him or post something on the talk page. Also the article beginning can be improved to focus more on the organization. PalauanReich (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Khoun75 has never edited their talk page, and has had very sparse edits. Maybe post a template warning about COI, since they are unlikely to see it. Lastly, the article gives off promo, with imagespam and extra peacock like
Grain de Sel Togo provides technical and academic support to Fulbright scholars from Africa.
It shouldn't take too long to clean up. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC) - If Khoun75 is the founder of the organization, then in Wikipedia's terms he is a paid editor (whether or not he actually receives money in that capacity), and he must make a formal declaration of that status. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Silly question
Is it “wrong” to create an article about your mother, who is not especially famous or anything? Luek 10m (talk) 23:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- It's no so much wrong as it violates our policies on Notability, and would likely violate others on WP:RS, WP:Verify and WP:CITE. So it's very much not a good idea to attempt it, although I am sure she is a lovely woman (and don't we all feel our mothers deserve one, lol?). Heiro 23:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Luek 10m. That's a fairly common question. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for some general information. If after looking at those pages, you feel your mother is Wikipedia:Notable for some reason, come back here and post why. Someone will then be able to provide you with more specific information. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Biography Removed From Wikipedia - Please Help
Hello, I am new here and would definitely like some help. I wrote the following article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hygord_Am%C3%A9d%C3%A9e , it was published to wikipedia, and then taken down the next day. :( I was wondering what exactly can I do to get it republished. I included resources and links to the publications (books) written by this individual. Any and all guidance would greatly be appreciated. Manywords4u (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Manywords4u Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft is completely unsourced. An article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. You're kinda doing this backwards; you've written a text, but have no sources. This is akin to building a house without first building the foundation. You should gather the sources first so you have them to summarize. Please read Your First Article. What sources do you have? 331dot (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- NOT REMOVED. Per the article's View history, it was moved to Draft:Hygord Amédée. Listing books by a person is allowed, but contributes nothing toward notability, especially if self-published. David notMD (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- All of the information about his education and career positions needs to be verified by references. David notMD (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- NOT REMOVED. Per the article's View history, it was moved to Draft:Hygord Amédée. Listing books by a person is allowed, but contributes nothing toward notability, especially if self-published. David notMD (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Copying a file from another language's wiki?
Hello! There is a non-free photo of Vladimir Alatortsev that exists on the Russian and Latvian versions of his page, but not the English. To add the photo to the English page, should I download and reupload the file manually, reentering relevant copyright information in English, or is there some kind of wizard I should use to copy it over? Here is the photo in question, from Russian. Thank you in advance. Kaasterly (talk) 00:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Kaasterly: If it is still under copyright, then it will have to meet all the of criteria at WP:NFCC to be used here on en Wikipedia. WP:MCQ might be a good place to ask about it. RudolfRed (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, I made changes to Geoff Lord's page however it has now reverted to the old information again. I can't see any communication notifying me what I did incorrectly so I can ensure that the new information is used. Are you able to assist? Fairlight6 (talk) 00:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Fairlight6: Welcome to the Teahouse. The revert in question (which you can see by going to Special:History/Geoff Lord) was concerned that your edit had a
promotional tone
. Looking at phrases like
andGeoff Lord’s mission in life is to get one million kids moving[1] every year via Belgravia Group’s various initiatives including learn to swim programs.
it was an appropriate revert. Please review Wikipedia:NOTPROMOTION, as that is not the goal of Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Geoff puts his success in business down to persistence, determination and empowering his teams, and lives by a quote by Calvin Coolidge
- Thank you so much for your help Tenryuu. I will remove those phrases and anything else I think might sound like promotion. Is there a way to edit the content that I originally changed, or do I need to start from scratch with my editing? Fairlight6 (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Also, your image is in violation of copyright so I tagged it for speedy deletion. You have to show they released the image under a creative commons license or it is in the public domain. PalauanReich (talk) 01:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Fairlight6, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- The version with all your edits is still there in the article's history, and you can copy sections of it to use.
- I suggest that you make a number of smaller edits rather than one big one, so if parts of it are still felt to be promotional, only those parts will be reverted. ColinFine (talk) 12:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Please note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your help Tenryuu. I will remove those phrases and anything else I think might sound like promotion. Is there a way to edit the content that I originally changed, or do I need to start from scratch with my editing? Fairlight6 (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Fairlight6 Also note that people are referred to by their last name, not their first name. So, don't use "Geoff" in the article; instead, use "Lord". David10244 (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Warning for vandal
If a random new account deletes everything in an article and just adds a redirect what warning would I use the regular warning template or only warning template? (I'm not trying to be a fake admin or anything I just look for new users to welcome and saw this) Sateurni (talk) 01:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Sateurni. WP:REDIRECTing an article is not necessarily vandalism; there could be a very good reason why the article was redirected. So, before you add any user warnings, it would probably be better to try and figure out why the article was redirected. The first thing to do would be to check the article's talk page (including any archives) to see whether there's any discussion related to redirectng the article. Then, I suggest checking the article's edit history to see if you can find any edit summaries related to redirecting the article. If you find nothing on the article's talk page or in the article's edit history, then perhaps follow the guidance given in WP:BLAR. Now, having posted that, it appears that your question is specifically related to Uhm Tae-woong. What you did was correct because that is actually a case of disruptive blanking. Most likely it's one person creating multiple accounts to continue trying to disrupt the page. You could warn this editor with a user warning, but most likely they won't care. They've already been reported to WP:ANI and will most likely just create a new account if they're blocked. Probably the best thing to do would be to request page protection first and then let administrators deal with the various accounts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- If 오늘의 우승자 지니 20220112 is the user in question, was CU blocked by the Materialscientist. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Change username
Is there a way to change your username without making a new account? I looked in preferences but didn’t see it. Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 02:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Orson12345: there sure is, head over to WP:CHU to go over your options. WindTempos (talk • contribs) 03:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Perfect! Thanks. Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 04:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Adding to an Wikipedia article a reference to one's own research?
My book 'There was a garden in Nuremberg' is based on known facts bolstered by research. Though it is a novel, it includes a reference list to the sources consulted. Those sources are in a foreign language, so may not be accessible to an English speaker. May I insert the details of my book where relevant? As an example, the page of Benno Martin has a narrow coverage which I can expand. My knowledge is based on a German book by Hugo Grieser, "Himmlers Mann in Nuernberg" published by the Nuremberg City Archive. Thanks! Michalsuz Michalsuz2 (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Michalsuz2: It would be best if you cited the original sources, even if not in English. Non-English sources are not a problem. If you want to cite your own book, don't do it. You may suggest it on the article talk page and see what others say about it. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- OK, thank you! Shall do. Michalsuz2 (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- You can't cite a novel as a source for historical facts. If the sources are published secondary sources, cite those. -- asilvering (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes of course, I should have thought of that myself. Michalsuz2 (talk) 03:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Michalsuz2, when English language sources are abundant, as when writing about any American president or British monarch, then the best of those English language sources are preferred as references. When English language sources are sparse and sources in other languages are clearly superior, then it is perfectly acceptable to cite sources in other languages. Just provide complete bibliographic details and be prepared to furnish translations of the relevant passages if asked. Cullen328 (talk) 08:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- I slightly disagree. Obviously the fictional section of the novel cannot be quoted as factual. That includes actual events that were put in the book, because it would take original research to know what is and is not fictional. For instance, The Prague Cemetery includes many accurate details about the Expedition of the Thousand, but it would be improper to cite it for those details.
- However, a novel might include a preface, or notes by a translator, or similar material of a non-fictional nature. Those could conceivably be cited. The usual precautions apply - an editor of a Shakespeare anthology might be reliable when it comes to the evolution of the sonnet form, but not about 16th-century Netherlands trade; the preface of "Alien Jewish Templars made the Pyramids and 9/11" is probably unreliable for anything. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think we do disagree! All of those are "secondary sources", not the novel itself. -- asilvering (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes of course, I should have thought of that myself. Michalsuz2 (talk) 03:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Questions about posting photos
Hello. I really need some help with adding photos to one wikipedia page. I have added several photos to the page of Marian Lupu (english and russian version). He is currently the President of the Supreme Audit Institution of the Republic of Moldova, used to be the President of the Parliament of Moldova and even the interim President of the Republic. In wikipedia there is only one photo with him and Dmitrii Medvedev, which is not relevant. Mr. Lupu had a lot of meetings with officials and I wanted to add photos that show his relation with personalities around the world. I have put photos on his wikipedia pages, but they were deleted. Why did that happen? Isn't it ok to add photos, if they are personal ones, photographed by the photographer of Mr. Lupu and are his own photos. Thank you very much! CristinaHanganu (talk) 06:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- CristinaHanganu Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You added a large number of images- probably too many- and claimed them as your own work in terms of copyright. This would mean that you personally took them with your own camera. Is that true? Do you work for the Moldovan government or represent Marian Lupu? 331dot (talk) 06:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- CristinaHanganu, when you wrote
photographed by the photographer of Mr. Lupu and are his own photos
, then that is powerful evidence that these photos are not your "own work" and have therefore been improperly licensed. The copyright is held either by the photographer, or if he or she has a written contract assigning the copyright, it is then held by Marian Lupu. But not by you, except under exceptionally unusual circumstances. Only the copyright holder and no other person can freely license a photo, and the licensing must be done correctly. This is a legal transaction. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)- I might try to find a place at Commons to suggest that "Own Work" is changed to "My Own Work". Isn't that a bit more emphatic? David10244 (talk) 13:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- CristinaHanganu, when you wrote
- Apart from the question of licensing, CristinaHanganu, I wonder what encyclopaedic purpose would be served by "photos that show his relation with personalities around the world"? If the meetings in question were significant, and described with sources in the text of the article, that's one thing; but otherwise that sounds like promotion to me. The one photo still there is not tied to anything in the text (Medvedev is not mentioned in the text), but that's probably OK for one photo, but not for several. ColinFine (talk) 13:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Whether it would be appropriate to turn the article into a ten-photo-gallery is of course questionable and should be dealt with at trhe article talk page. However, Wikimedia Commons would be happy to host as many different photos as one can get under a proper license. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Notability Issue on the page
Dear Teahouse Members,
I need your help to make this page fit for Wikipedia. I have done some changes on the page suggested by Hoary but the issues are still there. Could you please suggest or made changes on the page?
Thanks Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 06:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- This seems to be about Stellar Data Recovery. A notability issue requires more good sources. Your user page, Amitpandeys0281, now says that you are being paid to edit. If you're being paid to edit this article, is it likely that those of us who are not being paid to do so will find good sources that have eluded you? One possibility is worth a thought: Perhaps there simply are no other good sources. -- Hoary (talk) 07:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Now that you have declared PAID, I removed the tag about suspected undeclared paid editing. David notMD (talk) 07:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Withdrawing AFD nomination
How can I withdraw an AFD nomination that was made in wrong assumptions. Mokshalini (talk) 09:08, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- See WP:WDAFD - X201 (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Mokshalini: if you're the nominator, you can withdraw it as detailed here: WP:WDAFD; otherwise you cannot. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you! Mokshalini (talk) 11:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Food Intake For The Whole Day
Dear Friends as I am a 64+ aged old but no so old guy I think that for Elderly Gentlemen easy Diet and regular soft Exercises should be natural ! March21st23 (talk) 12:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @March21st23 Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia, which is what this page is for? Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Trying to get adding dates in volcano eruption list
How i add dates to volcano eruption list? Jovandrisus777 (talk) 13:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Jovandrisus777: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you made some edits to the List of large volcanic eruptions article which were reverted. My guess is that they were reverted because you did not include a reliable source for the date you added. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest you create a post at the article's talk page - Talk:List of large volcanic eruptions - to discuss your suggestions with other editors and come to a consensus. Thanks for your desire to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 13:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
When can I remove the Orphan message?
I added a link on a different page, but the message is still there. Can I remove it myself? Or does someone else have to do it for me? Concerning page: Battle of Poti (1993) Thanks! GeneralCraft65 (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Maintenance messages like that do not get removed (or placed) automaticall, GeneralCraft65. If you believe the message no longer applies, you may remove it. ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- The template doesn't go away on its own. It has to be manually removed. You can remove it yourself.Cwater1 (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @ColinFine, @Cwater1: BattyBot has been removing unneeded {{orphan}} templates for over a decade when an article has more than two incoming links. I try to run it at least once a month.
- @GeneralCraft65: I added a link from Occupation of Poti to Battle of Poti (1993). One more incoming link, and BattyBot will remove the template on its next run. Or, you could remove it manually as suggested above. GoingBatty (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- The template doesn't go away on its own. It has to be manually removed. You can remove it yourself.Cwater1 (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @GeneralCraft65, when I look at the list of 'what links here', there are only a few links. It's a fairly long article with plenty of outgoing links; the thing to do is assess each of those links to see if a link back to the Battle of Poti is appropriate. Don't try to shoehorn anything in, but if there's a natural place to link back, place that link. Once you've connected as many links as you can back to that article, remove the tag. Valereee (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Conflict of interest
I am concerned about a potential conflict of interest occurring on the fermion doubling article. In the resolutions section, recent edits by User:EverettYou and IP editor 65.112.8.21 have added a significant entry about Symmetric Mass Generation (SMG). The papers on this topic were primarily written by You and co-authors, and thus they cite themselves a lot, possibly too much. They are legit high quality researchers, so that's not the issue. The issue is that it seems to be a conflict of interest, leading to an undue emphasis on this particular resolution to the problem compared to others; a paragraph is now dedicated to it with 9 citations, most by You and Wang. I take the view that a sentence with one or two citations would suffice, just like the other (much more important) resolutions mentioned in the article. Compared to the other resolutions, this is a very novel one and very minor one. A lot of other minor resolutions exist that are not mentioned in the article for this same reason, but I fear that since You and IP editor 65.112.8.21 are the ones editing the article, they are placing too much emphasis on their own work.
I'm not sure how to deal with and what the correct resolution to the issue should be. OpenScience709 (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Conflict of interest related issues should be discussed at WP:COIN. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Right, thanks. How do I move this there? Or do I just re-post it there? Best, OpenScience709 (talk) 14:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @OpenScience709, just post it there in a new section. Valereee (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Right, thanks. How do I move this there? Or do I just re-post it there? Best, OpenScience709 (talk) 14:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Advice needed over review process of draft page
Hello, Newbie here, so apologies if I've done anything idiotic. I created a draft for a page on a company I used to work for and have submitted it for review. I'm looking for advice on anything I should/can do to improve the chances of it being reviewed in the quickest possible time. No doubt because of my inexperience, I'm not sure exactly where the page now sits and if it can be lost in the system. So, any advice and knowledge you could share about 'what happens next' and what more I should do would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance, Simon PageSJ (talk) 14:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Innova Market Insights - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- PageSJ, I recommend reading Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. This will help you understand what the Wikipedia community's expectations are regarding your link to the company.
- Regarding your draft, the draft won't disappear or get lost in the system. It is now "waiting for review", meaning an experienced editor will look at it and then either accept the submission or give feedback on how to improve the page. The guideline Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) contains information on how the reviewer will judge the submission's notability (i.e. if it merits having an article on Wikipedia). Hope this helps! If not, please feel free to notify me of further questions using the {{u}} or {{ping}} templates (for information on how to use templates, see Help:A quick guide to templates). — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 14:56, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Simon, and welcome to the Teahouse. Well, the first couple of citations are to articles by (or quoting) somebody from Innova. They will not help your draft get accepted, not one tiny little bit. They do not count in any way towards establishing the company as notable, and they may very well be a turnoff for a reviewer who has to wade through them to see if there are any independent sources - which are what you need. And looking through the list of citations, I'm not hopeful that any of them are independent sources which devote significant coverage to the company. If I'm wrong, get rid of all the dross so that the independent sources are easily seen - and make sure that only what is in those independent sources goes into the article: remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
- If you haven't got sources that meet 42, give up and write about something else. ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking the trouble to reply and give advice. I was trying to establish the company is real and long standing. Much of the coverage will be trade press - nature of the beast, etc. I'll search around for other more acceptable sources. Appreciate the feedback. Cheers. PageSJ (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, again. Trade press can be helpful, but often they just either print a press release (not independent), or report routine activities like appointing directors or issuing annual report (not significant coverage). If Innova is a name that is only known to industry insiders, it may very well not be notable in Wikipedia's terms. ColinFine (talk) 19:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @PageSJ, something that's often counterintuitive for new editors is that "real and longstanding" isn't what Wikipedia cares about. It literally doesn't matter to us that the subject exists. What we care about, when deciding whether a subject should have an article, is at least three instances of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. And to start out with we'd actually prefer you don't provide more than three. We want to see the three best sources. That lets us assess notability without having to wade through 35 sources that may or may not support a claim to notability. Which three and only three of those sources best represent significant coverage in independent reliable sources? Valereee (talk) 20:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. You're absolutely right, I would have thought the opposite. Am I better off removing most of the sources in the first instance and leaving just a few significant sources? My concern is also the need to back up the entire content of the draft. I'm trying to avoid showing notability only, but then leaving a lot of 'citation needed' copy. Cheers, Simon PageSJ (talk) 06:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @PageSJ, no, you don't need to remove sources. (Although nothing is ever lost, a previous version is always available to be restored, as long as there were no copyright violations and a few other limited cases where content is deleted completely, and even then an admin can usually help.) What you need to do is figure out which of the 35 sources are the three and only three best for supporting a claim to notability. ColinFine's post above gives links to read to help you figure out which of the sources are the three best. Valereee (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. You're absolutely right, I would have thought the opposite. Am I better off removing most of the sources in the first instance and leaving just a few significant sources? My concern is also the need to back up the entire content of the draft. I'm trying to avoid showing notability only, but then leaving a lot of 'citation needed' copy. Cheers, Simon PageSJ (talk) 06:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking the trouble to reply and give advice. I was trying to establish the company is real and long standing. Much of the coverage will be trade press - nature of the beast, etc. I'll search around for other more acceptable sources. Appreciate the feedback. Cheers. PageSJ (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
This Edit War needs to end
Editors User David10244, User Tacyarg, User Kuru, User Hey man im josh, User universalsunset that Jessica Nabongo was the second Black woman to travel to every country after Woni Spotts.
User K.Nevelsteen and others keep reverting the page to say Nabongo is first and he added promotional material. Citations show that Woni Spotts is first and that Jessica Nabongo is not even second because she did not visit Syria. She visited Golan Heights, Israel, and was unable to enter Syria. She claims Guinness books said Golan Heights is Syria but Guinness is not a reliable source, according to Wikipedia. The United States and Brittanica say it's Israel.
What can be done to stablize this page? 2600:8802:3A12:E700:CD6C:5BF3:8CD1:3465 (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse. This is not the correct venue to handle this issue. If resolving it on the talk page isn't working, you are going to want either the edit warring noticeboard or dispute resolution. Failing that, the administrators noticeboard for incidents is a last resort. Read those pages carefully in order to create a properly-formatted report. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Declined Page
Hello, My name is Toni. I tried adding a Nigerian official to Wikipedia and the review was declined. It's my first doing it. I need support on it please Toniventure (talk) 15:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Saratu Altine Umar Tails Wx 15:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Toniventure, the three sources provided don't seem to represent WP:significant coverage in WP:reliable sources that are WP:independent of the subject. They all appear to be mere announcements of her appointment, probably generated from press releases from the agency employing her. Unless the office itself is considered to confer WP:notability, she may not be notable by Wikipedia standards. I know it's a lot to take in, but please read all of those links, and then come back here to discuss. Valereee (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Citing offline sources template
Hello, would appreciate some guidance as far as how to (and also if it’s okay) cite offline sources? ie. Older newspaper articles etc. what would the template look like? Thank you all Owlman67a (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Owlman67a Welcome to Wikipedia. Offline sources are fine: see WP:OFFLINE. The standard templates such as {{cite news}} work perfectly well. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike! That‘s great! Owlman67a (talk) 16:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Owlman67a. The most important thing when citing offline sources is to provide complete bibliographic information. For a newspaper article, this includes the full title, the author(s) if listed, the name of the newspaper (Wikilinked if the newspaper has an article), the city of publication if not part of the name of the newspaper, the publication date, and the page number. Cullen328 (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike! That‘s great! Owlman67a (talk) 16:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Editing Child sex abuse article which is semi-protected
This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. I need help getting started with editing, and was invited to visit the Teahouse. Sukusala (talk) 15:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Sukusala, I recommend you file an edit request on the article's talk page to propose the changes you want to see implemented in the article. You can read examples of sample edit requests in the sample edit requests page. I'd recommend proposing small, incremental changes as you are a new editor. I'm sure the editors in the article's talk page will gladly help you out :) — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 16:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Just realized you are indeed autoconfirmed as extended confirmation supersedes autoconfirmation and were able to edit the page, my apologies. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 16:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Sukusala (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Just realized you are indeed autoconfirmed as extended confirmation supersedes autoconfirmation and were able to edit the page, my apologies. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 16:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Wasell was the editor who reverted all of your edits. By pinging here, telling Wasell that you wish to go ahead with some of the revisions - asking which OK and which not. The article's Talk page, where you have started a discussion, is the right place going forward. David notMD (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Noob trying to deal sensibly with edit war
Hi! In my first few non-anonymous edits I'm being reverted and have hit a three-edit limit. Well and good, I can see its a controversial topic, I'll calm down and try to resolve. But I've been told I can't refer to court judgements. Is this right? I can't find a rule? One ninety three lordy me (talk) 22:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- One ninety three lordy me, I'm puzzled by your reference to your "first few non-anonymous edits". Your list of contributions shows an editing history of just one day, but within this one day what I think is a list of more bytes shunted in and out of more articles than I've ever achieved/perpetrated in a single day during well over a decade of editing. Calming down might beneficially include limiting your substantive edits (as opposed to fixing spelling mistakes and the like) to two or three articles in any one day. As for your question, you're welcome to refer to accounts in reliable sources of court judgments. Court judgments themselves? No. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @One ninety three lordy me You seem to have been given a very detailed explanation at User_talk:Ponyo#Q around court documents. Important court decisions are likely to have been reported in WP:SECONDARY sources such as newspapers, which provided they are reliable sources, are preferred. Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Mike Turnbull Yeah I just saw the detailed response and it makes sense - I should have waited for it
- @Hoary I chose topics on the introduction tutorial and I got a list of suggested pages to edit! I was having fun too
- Sorry to bother, I don't think this place is for me. One ninety three lordy me (talk) 23:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
I need to delete this image
Banana4516 (talk) 00:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Banana4516 Welcome to Teahouse! Do you mean this image File:Logo_for_Chungbuk_University.png? What is your rationale for deleting it? Wikipedia:Files for discussion has some example criterias for removing files hosted on Wikipedia (as opposed to Wikimedia Commons). ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I tried to update my uni's logo, but now I'm worrying about the 'copyright'. I think that I've violated copyright policy Banana4516 (talk) 00:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Banana4516, no, you should be completely fine. User:DatBot has automatically made the file smaller and has tagged the previous non-free versions of the file for deletion. This means that the image complies with WP:FAIRUSE (or will in a short time). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oh really?? Thank you so much 🥺 Banana4516 (talk) 01:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Banana4516, no, you should be completely fine. User:DatBot has automatically made the file smaller and has tagged the previous non-free versions of the file for deletion. This means that the image complies with WP:FAIRUSE (or will in a short time). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I tried to update my uni's logo, but now I'm worrying about the 'copyright'. I think that I've violated copyright policy Banana4516 (talk) 00:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
I just created a draft about possible indictments against former president Donald Trump at Draft:Indictments against Donald Trump. Could someone (or multiple people) look at it and let me know if the topic, if the draft is fully developed, might possibly be noteable enough for a mainspace article? I don't want to continue working on it if there is a low chance that it is. That is also why it is a very short draft at the moment. I am leaning towards the article being noteable since several criminal cases that may lead to indictments have been covered by major news services a ton. There are also already several mainspace articles either directly about some of those criminal cases, or that have sections in them about one or more of those cases.
Thanks in advance to anyone who takes a look at the draft I just started. Greshthegreat (talk) 02:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Response on talk page of draft. Slywriter (talk) 02:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Greshthegreat: I think it's too soon for such an article. There would have to be more than one actual indictments against Trump for such an article to be relevant. GoingBatty (talk) 02:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok. In that case I'll just keep the draft up as is (unless no indictments are given in the next few months, as I don't want to keep a draft not ready for the mainspace up forever), and maybe make a few minor edits. Unless he is indicted, in which case I'd help really expand the draft. I do think just one indictment would be noteable enough for an article, and multiple wouldn't be necessary, since no former U.S. president has ever been indicted. That alone would make an indictment against Trump a very big deal, let alone anything else regarding it, such as what the criminal case itself is/was about. Greshthegreat (talk) 02:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Greshthegreat: The WP:CRYSTAL policy is applicable here. The draft is speculative at this point. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Good to know about those policies. Your right that it is largely speculative, in this case, as to wether Trump will be indicted or not in any of his criminal cases. In that case, it definitely will remain as a draft unless Trump is in fact indicted or he isn't in the next few months, and in that case deleting the draft might be considered depending on the situation then. Greshthegreat (talk) 04:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Greshthegreat, perhaps you know this, but drafts that are unedited for 6 months gets automatically deleted (you get a warning first, so you can make a "saving" edit if you want). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- In my experience any warning notice notice about deletion of a draft after 6 months is usually followed within minutes by actual deletion. It can be appealed, see WP:REFUND. But I'm sure by then we will either have a notable topic... or a non-story. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, but it seems you get a 5-months warning before that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- In my experience any warning notice notice about deletion of a draft after 6 months is usually followed within minutes by actual deletion. It can be appealed, see WP:REFUND. But I'm sure by then we will either have a notable topic... or a non-story. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Greshthegreat, perhaps you know this, but drafts that are unedited for 6 months gets automatically deleted (you get a warning first, so you can make a "saving" edit if you want). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Good to know about those policies. Your right that it is largely speculative, in this case, as to wether Trump will be indicted or not in any of his criminal cases. In that case, it definitely will remain as a draft unless Trump is in fact indicted or he isn't in the next few months, and in that case deleting the draft might be considered depending on the situation then. Greshthegreat (talk) 04:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Greshthegreat: The WP:CRYSTAL policy is applicable here. The draft is speculative at this point. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok. In that case I'll just keep the draft up as is (unless no indictments are given in the next few months, as I don't want to keep a draft not ready for the mainspace up forever), and maybe make a few minor edits. Unless he is indicted, in which case I'd help really expand the draft. I do think just one indictment would be noteable enough for an article, and multiple wouldn't be necessary, since no former U.S. president has ever been indicted. That alone would make an indictment against Trump a very big deal, let alone anything else regarding it, such as what the criminal case itself is/was about. Greshthegreat (talk) 02:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
This topic is not notable now but it could well be notable in days or weeks to come. Be patient and ready to update your draft. Being first on a breaking story is not a prize or a badge of honor. Quality editing is vastly more important than a "scoop". Cullen328 (talk) 08:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Still...
- "He appended links to a couple of sources deemed “reliable” by the community—NPR and The Washington Post—clicked save, and notified some other editors about his article. It was tentatively titled “January 2021 Donald Trump Rally.”"
- But fully agree on quality editing, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Bhai Nand Lal source translation
So this is more or less a follow up to my previous post I made yesterday. I’m copy-editing the page Bhai Nand Lal, and there’s a line which is very unclear (in the careers section). I am trying to check the source, and it appears to be a long book called Mahan Kosh (Sikh encyclopedia?) in Punjabi. The page referenced is page 2597, and English translations I could get are only available till 2000 pages (roughly). Any help would be appreciated in translating page 2597 of this encyclopedia.
Referenced source link (download the second one, it’s already dropped down for you):https://rarasahib.com/online-library/#fbb2a23be9a59ca04 Vamsi20 (talk) 02:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Vamsi20: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could also try using WikiBlame to determine which editor added the line, and ask them for clarification. You could also post your question on the article's talk page - Talk:Bhai Nand Lal - and specify exactly which sentence you find unclear. You could post on the appropriate WikiProject talk page(s) and ask editors to respond to the article talk page discussion. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Under the heading of the sacraments of the lcc , I added what the seven sacraments are and somebody calling themselves the light keeper, say's it was not constructive . Really ? What dose the light keeper know about the sacraments?.
Under the heading of the sacraments of the lcc , I added what the seven sacraments are and somebody calling themselves the light keeper, say's it was not constructive . Really ? What does the light keeper know about the sacraments?. 101.100.129.61 (talk) 03:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- What you wrote violated the WP:NPOV policy and you did not cite a source, violating the WP:Verifiability policy. Expertise is not required, sources are what matter. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- You're asking about this edit. TheLightDeveloper did the right thing, and I warmly agree with Anachronist. Incidentally, even if your edit hadn't violated "WP:NPOV" and had cited a source, I'd have reverted it for its misuse of capitalization. -- Hoary (talk) 06:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Travis Fimmel Page Addition
Hello, I just finished watching 3 mini episodes on the Roku channel called "50 States of Fright". Travis Fimmel stars in the episodes called "The Golden Arm (Michigan)" Season 1 Episodes 1-3. It was created in 2020. His character's name is Dave. I'm not up for the editing, but I was hoping it may be simple enough to install. Web pages can be easily found to back the information. Would someone be interested in adding this? 2600:6C48:5400:7EB0:6496:5E80:D8B2:6B2A (talk) 03:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- If you want some information corrected in or added to the article Travis Fimmel, then you're free to suggest this -- of course specifying a reliable source or two -- at the foot of Talk:Travis Fimmel. If on the other hand you want somebody to create an article, or a set of three articles, this is unlikely to happen, as everyone has their own interests. You could, however, create the draft for an article yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- The shortcut is WP:GOFIXIT. Cullen328 (talk) 08:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Topicons
Is there a page that lists all the topicons? ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 04:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Category:Top icon templates is probably a good start. Shells-shells (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Where do I post ui bugs
I'm recently seeing an issue where I have two add topic buttons, one grey and one blue. Seems like an oversight in not hiding elements as the workflow changes. Where can I report this behavior? Very Average Editor (talk) 06:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Very Average Editor, you might start by going to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), reading what's written at its head, and then deciding where best to bring up the matter. -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Castor Wheel Manufacturers
We are one of the leading Castor Wheels manufacturers in India. We offer high-quality wide range of castor wheels that are implemented to different specific purposes at commercial and residential premises. Our range includes Bobby Castors, Mini Six Wheel and Six Wheel Castors, Four Wheel Castors, Eight Wheel Castors, Delrin With Bearing, Ball Castor Plates, Twin Wheel Castors, and Fixed Castors. As a Castor Wheels manufacturer, we make it a point to offer products that have a very smooth gliding effect on tiles as well as carpets, thus making it useful in sofas, tables, chairs, and other various furniture items to achieve mobility while adding a modern look. Kaizonhardware (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Kaizonhardware. You appear to be mistaking Wikipedia for a business directory, or social media. It is neither: see what Wikipedia is not. If your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article on it. Such an article would not belong to your or your company, would not be controlled by you, would not necessarily say what you wanted it to say, and would be based on what people wholly unconnected with your company had chosen to publish about your company (good and bad), not on what you or your associates say or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 12:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- So what ? Fishing Publication (talk) 12:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- So, the advice by ColinFine is that it is extremely unlikely that a company that makes castor wheels rises to qualify as the subject of an article. Kaizonhardware - who's User name is disqualifying as being that of a company - should look at WP:BACKWARD and WP:42 to decide if references can by found that meet Wikipedia's requirements. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, but I wasn't replying to him, I understood his comments perfectly well, I was replying to the other gentleman, a sort of a more pointed challenge to his remarks about the wheels Fishing Publication (talk) 13:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- So, @Fishing Publication, "So what?" is not really a helpful comment here at Teahouse, where we try to treat extremely new editors with kindness, even those whose contributions show they misunderstand what Wikipedia is about. I see that you are very new yourself, and we do welcome your contributions here, but it's better to just read here for a while so you can learn the culture before you start answering posts. Valereee (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, but I wasn't replying to him, I understood his comments perfectly well, I was replying to the other gentleman, a sort of a more pointed challenge to his remarks about the wheels Fishing Publication (talk) 13:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- So, the advice by ColinFine is that it is extremely unlikely that a company that makes castor wheels rises to qualify as the subject of an article. Kaizonhardware - who's User name is disqualifying as being that of a company - should look at WP:BACKWARD and WP:42 to decide if references can by found that meet Wikipedia's requirements. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- That wasn't even a request for help. It didn't even ask a question. It was nothing more than an advertisement placed on this page, pure and simple. It should have been reverted on sight, not used as a starting point for discussion. I'm going to block that account now. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Google search results in wiki talking readers to my talk page Talk:Lee Youn Chin
Hi Wiki helpers,
Problems 1) redirect issue? 2) Category Lee Youn Chin in red? 3)Google search shows Talk:Lee Youn Chin and not the article!
I'd appreciate to know how my new article on- Lee Youn Chin would not take readers to wiki talk page.
Please help what code I must put to redirect to the Article and not Talk.
I tried #redirect from the Talk page thinking it would fix, instead it now shows on my redirect Draft Talk!!!
Only by Clicking on the Article it will take you to wiki article on the subject.
I would be grateful for your help to fix this.
Thanks and have a great day!
Setwikirec0 (talk) 12:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Setwikirec0 As Lee Youn Chin died in 1991, I doubt that he is you. What Google does, you have to take up with them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- ... and the redirect on your User page can be removed by you at any time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike for your prompt reply! Do I have to create my Userpage and redirect from there? I was reading Wiki User pages and right now mine is the default when I created the account. Its in here I create my info and then redirect to the article name? Thx Setwikirec0 (talk) 15:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- ... and the redirect on your User page can be removed by you at any time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Foreign Website/Book Template for Citations
Hi,
What's the citation code for a Foreign Website/Book Template?
Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 12:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean by "citation code", KatoKungLee. I guess that by "foreign" you mean "in a language other than English". If so, then Template:Cite book and Template:Cite web both have attributes allowing you to present the title, etc, in non-Roman script, to specify the language, to provide an English translation of the title, etc, and more. If you have a specific question about one or other of these templates, feel free to ask. -- Hoary (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's perfect.KatoKungLee (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
User Malfunctions
When would be a good time to use a user malfunction button if they have a button on their user page? Give me some examples. AirmanKitten203 (talk) 15:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @AirmanKitten203, welcome to the Teahouse. What do you mean by a "user malfunction button"? If the account is a bot, there is often a Stop button of some kind, but there is no such thing for regular users (unless they put something up on their user page for fun, in which case there are no rules about it, other than any they may add along with the button). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok. AirmanKitten203 (talk) 15:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @AirmanKitten203: Judging by your userpage, you are asking about the language at Template:Emergency-user-slap. That is an in-Wikipedia joke combining two things:
- WP:TROUT: an internet tradition of (virtually) slapping another user with a trout when they did something silly. See that page. On Wikipedia, "trouting" refers to placing one of the various trout templates on a userpage. That serves to communicate that a user did something silly, not serious enough to warrant actual sanctions, but serious enough to deserve a "formal" (?) warning.
- Template:EBS: the emergency stop button for bots (= automated accounts) which says
Administrators: Use this button if the bot is malfunctioning. Non-administrators can report a malfunctioning bot to ANI.
- The emergency-user-slap template uses wording similar to the EBS template, implying that users can be "malfunctioning", for humorous effect. (As usual, a joke is not very funny when it needs to be explained.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:36, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. I should have read more about it before asking a question. Thank you for your time and sorry for the disruption. AirmanKitten203 (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Don’t worry about it AirmanKitten203. The Teahouse welcomes any (Wikipedia-related) question, no matter how simple it may seem once one knows the answer. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. I should have read more about it before asking a question. Thank you for your time and sorry for the disruption. AirmanKitten203 (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Marin Local Music
Hi everyone. My "suggested edits" list took me to the Wikipedia article on "Marin Local Music", and I noticed that the article looks like an advertisement rather than an unbiased encyclopedia entry. There are some links to news articles on the topic, but they appear to be promotional in nature. How do I get the page deleted or reviewed by other editors? Yellowstone caldera (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Yellowstone caldera: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could add yet another template (e.g. {{notability}}), but the article has had templates on it for almost a decade. You could also follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion if you like. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your response and for your guidance. I appreciate it! I will definitely take a look at the instructions. I will return if I need more help. Yellowstone caldera (talk) 17:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Why am I getting a warning of "In response to an ongoing pattern of abuse, an automated filter has prevented this edit." when I am following instructions of "Consider letting the authors know on their talk page"? I want to let authors know, but I am being warned and blocked. Yellowstone caldera (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Yellowstone caldera, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know what's triggered the filter (it just says "Talk page disruption"); but I notice that Band of Mountains's only contribution to Marin Local Music was to remove some material ("deleted unnecessary material of personal opinions with no source"), so it doesn't look as if they have any particular investment or interest in the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Why am I getting a warning of "In response to an ongoing pattern of abuse, an automated filter has prevented this edit." when I am following instructions of "Consider letting the authors know on their talk page"? I want to let authors know, but I am being warned and blocked. Yellowstone caldera (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your response and for your guidance. I appreciate it! I will definitely take a look at the instructions. I will return if I need more help. Yellowstone caldera (talk) 17:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry investigations
Am I allowed to file a SPI even if both of the accounts I suspect to be sockpuppets are indef blocked and unable to create an account? Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 17:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Shadow of the Starlit Sky welcome to Teahouse! I checked the talk page archive, it seems there are differing opinions. The active harm caused by an indef blocked user is lower, but it can be useful for establishing a larger paper trail/archive of actions taken in an investigation. See Wikipedia_talk:Sockpuppet_investigations/Archives/Archive12#Reporting_socks_already_blocked_as_socks ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Editor Reinserting Odd Change; Now What?
I'm having a bit of a content dispute with a user for my first time. AsaneBane still hasn't ceased adding the irrelevant addition to Bane (DC Comics) despite my pushback and now I'm at the stage where I don't know what I am doing. How can one get this resolved? ~GoatLordServant(Talk) 18:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, GoatLordServant, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Dispute resolution for the options. ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Editing
Why are some factual edits removed? 71.43.129.106 (talk) 18:25, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse! As posted on your user talk page, some good faith factual edits can be removed because they are not accompanied by a specific published reliable source for verifiability. When you have an edit that has been reverted, you may follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and post on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:John Campea) to discuss your suggestions and come to consensus. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- In addition to what GoingBatty says, your edit to John Campea (which I guess is what this question is about) told the reader in Wikipedia's voice what Campea likes and doesn't like. That is not a neutral use of language, so it is not appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 19:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
What to do when the information you want to link to is at a specific point in an article
I noticed that the mushroom kingdom page has refrence to subcon but doesnt explain it. I wanted to link to the mario article that contained the information on it but it is in one of the fold up tab things and not visible from page open. Can I use the link system that some articles use to bring you directly to the fold tab and if so how would I go about that? Vagus in mundos litterarum (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Vagus, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure quite where you want to link to (I can't find a section about subcon in any of the Mario articles) but in general you can link to a specific section of an article by using "#" and then the section title. So if you mean the section "Gameplay" in the article "Super Mario Bros. 2" then
- [[Super Mario Bros. 2]]
- links to the article, but
- [[Super Mario Bros. 2#Gameplay]]
- links to that section thus: Super Mario Bros. 2#Gameplay. ColinFine (talk) 20:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you that really helped and yes the link was for smb2 gameplay. Vagus in mundos litterarum (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Overuse of [show] and [hide] content sections making Wikipedia too cumbersome to use?
Consider the following sample content article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development Note the sidebar at the right in which every few lines of information requires clicking the [show] link to view just a few elements of additional information. This makes Wikipedia too cumbersome to use and I wonder if there is a way to discourage this practice for new content by default? Mlegare16 (talk) 20:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Mlegare, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, and it makes a big difference what you are looking at it on. On my computer I see no show/hide sections at all. On the Wikipedia app, I see just three instances in a long article: these are tables, which show normally on my computer, but are collapsed by default on the app.
- If I look in a browser on my phone, I see that each section of the article is collapsed: is that what you're talking about? In that case, I'm afraid that there's not likely to be much you can do about that. Articles that are not divided into sections are awkward and unwieldy to read. ColinFine (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- They're talking about the sidebar. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm talking about the sidebar section in this example. Organizing into sections is great, but hiding just a few lines of content behind a control that requires user interaction to view seems to only waste time and focus. This is quite different from being able to skip to a relevent sub-section by having section links at the beginning of the article in long articles requiring scrolling to read since clicking is not required to see the additional content. Mlegare16 (talk) 21:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- The place to bring this up is Template talk:Software development process. It's definitely not normal for sidebar templates to have nothing showing by default. -- asilvering (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I've expanded the relevant section of the template. This is the normal way to display sidebars so I don't know if posting on one specific template's talk is the best way. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion asilvering. I reviewed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Software_development_process but it is unclear to me how to present my comment using the relevant Template talk vernacular. Mlegare16 (talk) 02:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- The place to bring this up is Template talk:Software development process. It's definitely not normal for sidebar templates to have nothing showing by default. -- asilvering (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm talking about the sidebar section in this example. Organizing into sections is great, but hiding just a few lines of content behind a control that requires user interaction to view seems to only waste time and focus. This is quite different from being able to skip to a relevent sub-section by having section links at the beginning of the article in long articles requiring scrolling to read since clicking is not required to see the additional content. Mlegare16 (talk) 21:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps these sections cater to smaller screens. If so, I hope a way the collapsed (hidden) content sections could be expanded automatically by default on larger displays to as not to penalize users with larger screens by requiring a lot of manual interaction to view each content element. Mlegare16 (talk) 21:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Mlegare16: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to switch the skin to Vector Legacy (2010) to get everything on the left-hand side without the need for context menus. To do so, go to Preferences → Appearance → Skin → Vector legacy (2010). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I had already done that since I think the old layout (Vector 2010) was much better. Mlegare16 (talk) 01:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Mlegare16 - That’s great! Again, welcome to the Teahouse. Is there anything else we can help with? - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. If this is some default global setting for the editor that controls this behaviour (like a master sidebar template) ideally I'd like to post my comment to that team. Also, is any group out there advocating for a return to defaulting to Vector Legacy 2010 again, as Tenryuu's post reminded me that I have to login on each device I use (too many!) in order to control this preference. Mlegare16 (talk) 02:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- The RfC for defaulting back to the old skin has ended, and to my knowledge a closure review won't be available for quite some time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. If this is some default global setting for the editor that controls this behaviour (like a master sidebar template) ideally I'd like to post my comment to that team. Also, is any group out there advocating for a return to defaulting to Vector Legacy 2010 again, as Tenryuu's post reminded me that I have to login on each device I use (too many!) in order to control this preference. Mlegare16 (talk) 02:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Mlegare16 - That’s great! Again, welcome to the Teahouse. Is there anything else we can help with? - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I had already done that since I think the old layout (Vector 2010) was much better. Mlegare16 (talk) 01:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Mlegare16: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to switch the skin to Vector Legacy (2010) to get everything on the left-hand side without the need for context menus. To do so, go to Preferences → Appearance → Skin → Vector legacy (2010). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- They're talking about the sidebar. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Number of editors over time
Why did the number of active editors on en.wikipedia.org increase exponentially until 2006, rapidly until March 2007, and then suddenly start declining, never having reached that level again? [2] 2601:640:4000:3170:D470:590F:B3D7:9D6B (talk) 20:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Good question. The answer lies in the rapid, accelerating rise and interest in Wikipedia in the first few years of its creation and then a settling down into a more routine form of support, with editors coming and going after that time. This kind of initial spike and levelling out is quite normal, in my opinion. Bear in mind that the initial interest and enthusiasm was probably all about creating new articles, whereas nowadays it's more about adding to and improving existing pages with completely new topics somewhat harder to find and write about. Does that make any sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think that helps to explain it. It's still weird that there was such a sudden spike and downturn. It reminds me of ecological graphs where rapid growth surpasses the carrying capacity and then crashes. https://effectivedemand.typepad.com/.a/6a017d42232dda970c01b7c718a48d970b-pi I've heard it referred to as J-curve. Oddly I couldn't find such a graph on Wikipedia. 2601:640:4000:3170:D470:590F:B3D7:9D6B (talk) 21:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I found some over on Commons. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- What I find interesting about this is actually how stable it's been for the past decade or so. -- asilvering (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I agree - that's actually quite encouraging. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: I find it discouraging, actually. Wikipedia is growing rapidly, there are millions more articles now than there were 15 years ago, Wikipedia is way more visible and ubiquitous than it used to be (top result in Google searches etc.), and yet the number of active editors has stayed the same. Therefore, the workload of monitoring and maintaining the site is increasing for everyone. The situation is even worse for administrators. I would find it more encouraging if the graph showed some growth in active users, to keep up with the growth of Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Given how arcane some of the policies and guidelines are here on (the English) Wikipedia, especially when it comes to dealing with what is considered notable by Wikipedia's definition, not to mention the minutiae of what's considered a reliable source, I'm not surprised that a portion of new users may be discouraged by this and stop contributing after being reverted or have had a draft declined. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: I find it discouraging, actually. Wikipedia is growing rapidly, there are millions more articles now than there were 15 years ago, Wikipedia is way more visible and ubiquitous than it used to be (top result in Google searches etc.), and yet the number of active editors has stayed the same. Therefore, the workload of monitoring and maintaining the site is increasing for everyone. The situation is even worse for administrators. I would find it more encouraging if the graph showed some growth in active users, to keep up with the growth of Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- I agree - that's actually quite encouraging. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think that helps to explain it. It's still weird that there was such a sudden spike and downturn. It reminds me of ecological graphs where rapid growth surpasses the carrying capacity and then crashes. https://effectivedemand.typepad.com/.a/6a017d42232dda970c01b7c718a48d970b-pi I've heard it referred to as J-curve. Oddly I couldn't find such a graph on Wikipedia. 2601:640:4000:3170:D470:590F:B3D7:9D6B (talk) 21:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Forced language reform
Hello. I am a member of a minority language (not part of UNESCO yet) which has it's own Wikipedia space(Vikipedeja). Recently we experienced a split in society, caused by a few people pushing trough a language reform and getting it approved by the national language institute. As a result, half of the people write with rules approved 2017, and half with historical rules of 1933. Just as an example, the biggest change would be the erasing of the letter "ō" and replacing it with "uo". Now the new law permits the equal use of both, but it still remains unfair, as the new one is forcing out the old one. Same issue with the Wiki. Someone has converted all pages to the new writing style. For some it now feels hard to read and tbh (personal opinion) feels like an insult as well.
Is it possible to do something about this? Like split a separate page or separate language version? Tehnically, we could simply adjust the existing pages, but I am not sure if engaging into a "edit-war" would be wise. Thank you for the advice in advance.
instead of keeping in f useair, all pages have been 90.139.250.80 (talk) 22:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not clear on if this issue is on this version of Wikipedia or another. We can't really help you with issues on another version. 331dot (talk) 22:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- This sounds like a discussion to have on Vikipedeja, not here. You could spin out an "old orthography" version if you wanted to host one, though - there's no prohibition against creating new Wikipedia mirrors as far as I'm aware. -- asilvering (talk) 22:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Welcome IP user to Teahouse. English Wikipedia isn't necessarily the most helpful place to ask for support, but as a feature it exists on other language editions, for example Chinese Wikipedia has both simplified and traditional Mandarin mapping, Kazakh Wikipedia § Features maps Arabic, Cyrillic and Roman characters. I also attached a link so others know what Wikipedia edition you are referring to.
- Courtesy link: ltg:Suoku puslopa
- I think your best place for requesting support is meta:Requests for new languages#Wikipedia. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think this is about one of the many language-versions of Wikipedia. The courtesy link provided about does not help me, as I can't read the language of the page it links to. I wonder if the language is one spoken in Ugandi, the south-easternmost province of Estonia. It might help if the OP would give the English name of the language. Maproom (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Putting a link twice
Hello. My question is, if a link to a page is already in a page, is it okay to mention that page (send a link to the page) later in the article? (Please use mobile and visual editor) 2600:1700:17C9:1020:9116:1C07:5DE0:AB42 (talk) 22:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note that it shouldn't matter which version of Wikipedia other editors are using to respond to you. 331dot (talk) 22:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Usually articles are linked twice: once in the lede, and once again the first time they appear in the article body. -- asilvering (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I do sometimes also add a second link if it's a) an important one and also b) if it's a long page and the topic reappears right down the page. Oh, and sometimes I might also repeat the link in an infobox. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Translation volunteer.
Helloo, I’m Brazilian and currently a translator student. I would like to know if it’s possible to be a volunteer on Wikipedia. That way I can train my translation skills and help disponibilize articles from English to Brazilian Portuguese and vice-versa. Dark Tea LK (talk) 23:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Dark Tea LK Welcome to Teahouse! Yes! In fact, most contributions here are made by bold volunteers like yourself. I will post on your talk page some introduction guidelines and policies you should be aware of before editing. Happy editing and learning! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. Dark Tea LK. Please read WP:TRANSLATE and WP:TRANSLATEUS. Pay special attention to the legal requirement to properly attribute the source material. Cullen328 (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
regarding requesting for an edit
hello, i have been trying to change misinformation on article but site is denying my request because of lack of reliable sources? Sagarahir98 (talk) 02:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Sagarahir98: So what is the problem? If you're referring to your edit requests on Talk:Attack on Titan, you did not provide any reliable source to support your requests. Facebook, YouTube, and Quora aren't reliable sources. Anything with user-generated content cannot be used. You need to find published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)