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Articles created/expanded on June 8
Words (Piri & Tommy song)
... that "Words" by Piri & Tommy was written during a "rough patch" in their relationship? Source: https://readdork.com/features/piri-and-tommy-july-2022/- ALT1:
... that you need to think before you speak? - ALT2:
... that Piri & Tommy released their song "Words" on the same day as Alesso and Zara Larsson's song of the same name? - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Doug McKechnie
- Comment: I very, very much prefer ALT1 - a similar hook for On & on (piri & tommy song) was extremely successful.
- ALT1:
Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Words (Piri & Tommy song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- I have a question for others -- is it OR if though true, it is not commented on by an RS (though individually the facts synthesized are each supported by an RS) .. I would hope this is not a problem.
- Interesting:
QPQ:
Overall: a) Perhaps someone else can opine - since as indicated in the first sentence of the article the song title is "stylised in lowercase," should WP not be doing the same in the title of the article and the references to the song within? b) I agree that Alt 1 is best, if it is not (see above) a synth problem.
- Wikipedia uses WP:SENTENCECASE, although I'm with you, I think this should be at words (piri & tommy song). It's downright hypocritical that we entertain other stylisations such as spellings (Beachin rather than Beaching) but ignore capitalisation. See also User talk:Launchballer#Piri and Piri & Tommy stylisations. That lyric is actually commented on in the critical reception section, so can be used - although see also Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Piri & Tommy Villiers song hooks.--Launchballer 08:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that's right, or at least without exceptions. See k.d. lang. But as I said -- perhaps someone else can opine. Best. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:7468:9C4F:BECE:5B21 (talk) 09:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Striking ALT1 per the now-archived Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 193#Piri & Tommy Villiers song hooks discussion on using song lyrics as hooks for these Piri & Tommy hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that's right, or at least without exceptions. See k.d. lang. But as I said -- perhaps someone else can opine. Best. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:7468:9C4F:BECE:5B21 (talk) 09:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Looking for a second opinion on the review issue (synth?), since this has been sitting for over two months since the reviewer requested one, and also a general check of the nomination. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: the lead says the song received "universal critical reception". What does that mean? Viriditas (talk) 10:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I think I intended 'universally positive' reception, but having had the word 'universal' taken out of another Piri & Tommy lede, I've just replaced the word with positive.--Launchballer 10:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: thanks. Can you check ref 1 (Spotify)? It is used ten times, but I can’t access it or the archived version. Let me know if you can, or if the link needs to be fixed. Viriditas (talk) 11:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Works fine for me. You'll need to scroll down quite far though (it's a discography, and she's released loads since).--Launchballer 11:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I’m on mobile at the moment. It says "Spotify can’t open this type of link on this device." I’m curious if that’s because it’s a regional-specific link (UK only?) or a desktop-only link, and if there’s a way to change that to a general link instead, or use a different source. Not a big deal, just something to consider. Viriditas (talk) 11:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I suspect Spotify forces mobile users to use its app.--Launchballer 11:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I am using the app. That’s the error message I get inside the app. Viriditas (talk) 12:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Very weird. It's working for me.--Launchballer 13:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- It’s not that weird. Apps like Amazon and Spotify use regional restrictions. I was able to get into the Spotify discography another way, but I think there’s probably a better way to link to the discography in a way that doesn’t trigger the lock. I’m looking into it. Also continuing the process of verifying the rest of the article. Viriditas (talk) 21:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Very weird. It's working for me.--Launchballer 13:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I am using the app. That’s the error message I get inside the app. Viriditas (talk) 12:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I suspect Spotify forces mobile users to use its app.--Launchballer 11:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I’m on mobile at the moment. It says "Spotify can’t open this type of link on this device." I’m curious if that’s because it’s a regional-specific link (UK only?) or a desktop-only link, and if there’s a way to change that to a general link instead, or use a different source. Not a big deal, just something to consider. Viriditas (talk) 11:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Works fine for me. You'll need to scroll down quite far though (it's a discography, and she's released loads since).--Launchballer 11:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: thanks. Can you check ref 1 (Spotify)? It is used ten times, but I can’t access it or the archived version. Let me know if you can, or if the link needs to be fixed. Viriditas (talk) 11:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- I think I intended 'universally positive' reception, but having had the word 'universal' taken out of another Piri & Tommy lede, I've just replaced the word with positive.--Launchballer 10:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Following up with spot checks for OR and synthesis brought up by the original reviewer:
"The latter went viral on TikTok and Spotify, prompting EMI to sign the pair"
. I realize this must seem blue sky, but I don’t find EMI mentioned anywhere. Yes, it appears on the Spotify page, but the assertion that the label signed them after the viral hit doesn’t seem directly supported (I might have missed it, so excuse me if I did). I suspect that there are other sources that support this, and if so, please make this clear, paying attention to text-source integrity."the same day as Alesso and Zara Larsson's song of the same name"
. Needs a secondary source linking the two different songs, as we can’t make that observation. Shouldn’t be difficult to find."Higgo and Hamdi would later provide remixes of the Piri & Tommy song"
. Personally, I’m okay with this, as it links to the Spotify discography. But I think some editors are more conservative in their approach, and would ask that you use secondary sources to show the importance of the remix. Again, I don’t think this would be difficult to do."The song was intended by Villiers as a ‘Disclosure meets old school speed garage’ song.
This is probably fine, but the source says that Tommy was talking about the beat specifically ("with the beat I was going for disclosure meets old school speed garage") not the song in general. Not a big deal, but I think it helps to keep it close to the meaning of the source.- Added sourcing for EMI; the source said 'major-label re-release', so I've added another source to say 'said label was EMI'. I've had to take out the Alesso line because there is no secondary source to say that; I literally found out about it by going through piri's Twitter (which I stand by, she regularly shares sources that have since fallen off Google) and finding this comment. I haven't been able to find a secondary source for either of the remixes, but I have reworded the Villiers bit to "Villiers' intended the song's beat as".--Launchballer 05:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's usable per WP:VENDOR: "inline citations may be allowed to e-commerce pages such as that of a book on a bookseller's page or an album on its streaming-music page, in order to verify such things as titles and running times". Possibly undue for prose though, and I have at least replaced that.--Launchballer 19:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
The label re-released "Soft Spot" under the name "Piri & Tommy Villiers"
. Please use this source to support this statement instead of the one you have now.and "Beachin" as Piri & Tommy
. Please add this source to support this statement.
- Added both.--Launchballer 21:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Looks like you just need an ALT3 and we are good to go. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not seeing what was wrong with ALT0 (although possibly it should say "during and about", like so: ALT3: ... that "Words" by Piri & Tommy was written during and about a rough patch in their relationship?), but let's go quirky. ALT4: ... that "Words" is "a condemning narrative"?--Launchballer 08:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Nothing was wrong with ALT0, I just wanted to give you the last word and the option to expand the hook choices. Everything looks good, article checks out, refs check out, length is good, QPQ is good, neutrality and copyright look good. Nice work. Viriditas (talk) 09:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- "Rough patch" was in there unattributed, so I've reworded it. ALT5:
... that "Words" by Piri & Tommy was written during a challenging period in their relationship?Source: https://readdork.com/features/piri-and-tommy-july-2022/--Launchballer 10:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- "Rough patch" was in there unattributed, so I've reworded it. ALT5:
- Nothing was wrong with ALT0, I just wanted to give you the last word and the option to expand the hook choices. Everything looks good, article checks out, refs check out, length is good, QPQ is good, neutrality and copyright look good. Nice work. Viriditas (talk) 09:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not seeing what was wrong with ALT0 (although possibly it should say "during and about", like so: ALT3: ... that "Words" by Piri & Tommy was written during and about a rough patch in their relationship?), but let's go quirky. ALT4: ... that "Words" is "a condemning narrative"?--Launchballer 08:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Looks like you just need an ALT3 and we are good to go. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Added both.--Launchballer 21:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
pulled per discussion at WT:DYK. Discussion should consider here. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
How about:
- Just doesn't feel great to be citing Promonews.tv as a source...but cited it is, many times across Wikipedia. After all, where else would we get detailed information about music videos? Cielquiparle (talk) 09:38, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Moved comment above from WP:DYKT, striking ALT5 as too similar to two recent hooks that already ran on DYK. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- I honestly refuse to believe that promonews.tv gives due weight for anything – if it's in any way a reliable source, i'm gonna eat a nomination whole, wikitext and all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Launchballer, I'm considering taking this article to AfD because I don't feel that any of the current sourcing goes in-depth on the actual song in a way NSONGS accepts. Before I do that, could you point me to the article's three best, and let me know if you find any extra sources that provide notability? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I've got to be honest and say I'm struggling; [3][4][5] are all either non-independent or not particularly in-depth. I mainly wrote this article because I thought that BBC Radio 1 making it its Hottest Record and Uproxx ranking it on its end of year list was an indicator of notability.--Launchballer 09:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:
Hmm, I'm not sure any of these would count as reliable sigcov, yeah. Listen, I'm gonna take this to AfD, because that's how the notability question gets resolved – and if you think you've cobbled together a case for notability at any point, i'm happy to reconsider. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:
- I've got to be honest and say I'm struggling; [3][4][5] are all either non-independent or not particularly in-depth. I mainly wrote this article because I thought that BBC Radio 1 making it its Hottest Record and Uproxx ranking it on its end of year list was an indicator of notability.--Launchballer 09:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Moved comment above from WP:DYKT, striking ALT5 as too similar to two recent hooks that already ran on DYK. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 26
Grimace Shake
... that TikTokers have been found dead and in strange locations after drinking the Grimace Shake (pictured)? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/style/grimace-milkshake.htmlALT1: ... that after drinking the Grimace Shake (pictured), TikTokers found themselves dead and in strange locations? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/style/grimace-milkshake.htmlALT2: ... that Grimace is deemed a "Griminal" after videos of "Grime Scenes" revealed the deaths of those who drank the Grimace Shake (pictured)? Source: https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/what-is-the-grimace-shake-trend-on-tiktok-2189602/ALT3: ... that the Grimace Shake (pictured) resulted in "Grime Scenes" where Grimace is the "Griminal"? Source: https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/what-is-the-grimace-shake-trend-on-tiktok-2189602/- Reviewed:
Created by Endof (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Grimace Shake; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- per What DYK is not we should not be advertising for McDonalds on the main page. I'm not commenting on the editors who wrote the article or the nominator, but the effect of this being on the main page, is the same as if they were paid. It is an advert for McDonalds.
- under "Content" on the same page is another rule "The hook should refer to established facts that are unlikely to change, and should be relevant for more than just novelty or newness." In this case the hook does not refer to "established facts" rather it refers to some fork of a commercial fantasy universe, i.e. nobody involved was murdered. The so called facts will not be relevant for more than novelty or newness after a few months when the ad campaign ends. It certainly will not be of any interest after a year, not after 10 years, not after 20 years. I will put a "recentism" tag on the article. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm with Smallbones. No free advertising; violates WP:NOT. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just hopping in here to say that all of these proposed hooks are unacceptable by the mere fact that they are untrue. No one has died from drinking a grimace shake, striking Hook 1 and ALT1 and 2 out. ALT3 is just jargony nonsense that has no informational content for people who don't already know what these terms mean already. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
@Endof: Per the above discussion, all hooks have been struck. A new hook is needed if this nomination is to proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- ALT4: ... that although McDonald's released the drink Grimace Shake and video game Grimace's Birthday to celebrate Grimace's birthday, the exact date of his birthday is uncertain? Source: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-07-12/what-is-going-on-with-the-grimace-shake-let-us-explain
- ALT5: ... that McDonald's paid Fandom to replace its wiki page about Grimace with an advertisement promoting the Grimace Shake and Grimace's Birthday, upsetting fans who've contributed to the original article? Source: https://www.insider.com/grimace-superfan-upset-by-characters-mcdonalds-wiki-page-becoming-ad-2023-6 https://kotaku.com/mcdonalds-grimace-wiki-ad-happy-meal-fandom-history-1850552640
- Comment: I prefer alt5 over alt4 since sources seem to conflict on Grimace's birthday (see the footnote at Grimace Shake) Endoftalk 01:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Nomination is on hold until the merge discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- I also prefer ALT5 over ALT4. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- This is kind of an unusual nomination. Grimace's Birthday has been shoehorned into this nom, and does not meet the newness requirement (created July 15). I'm okay ignoring that and going with bundling the articles, but something to note for promoter.
- Review for both articles: Did some copyediting while reading and removed from Birthday one unimportant unparaphrased sentence and one questionably sourced (not clear whether YouTube channel GameXplain actually interviewed designer). Both articles long enough, no glaring neutrality issues, no other sourcing issues (current VG-specific sourcing seems ok, PR Newswire ok as primary source). Suggesting a revised hook like:
- ALT5a ... that McDonald's paid Fandom to replace a user-written page about Grimace with advertising for the Grimace Shake menu item and Grimace's Birthday video game? Source (Kotaku): "McDonalds paid the site's owners to temporarily replace Grimace's biography with a paid advertisement ... Nathan's research wiped and replaced with reminders that people can go buy a Grimace meal at McDonalds and play a video game based on the character"
Approve everything except the hook which I have just proposed and needs another set of eyes. If this runs, Vrxces should receive DYK credit for writing Grimace's Birthday, and Arconning for starting Grimace Shake. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 21:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Personally I think two separate hooks for the two articles have more potential. Some possible alternatives:
- ALT6:
... that a reviewer called the Grimace Shake "a troubling tribute to a garrulous grape-colored goofball"?Source: Mashed 2023 - ALT7: ... that McDonald's hesitated before jumping in on the #GrimaceShake trend? Source: TODAY.com 2023]
- ALT8: ... that Grimace's Birthday was praised by Kotaku as "art of the perfect 2000s internet time capsule"? Source: Kotaku 2023
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... that critics praised the surprising quality of Grimace's Birthday?Sources: See article.
- ALT6:
- All citations are in the article. There is so much potential here for great quirky hooks...don't waste them! Cielquiparle (talk) 08:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Request review of new ALT hooks by Hameltion or another reviewer. Or maybe more workshopping of new ALT hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:19, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
With this stagnant for weeks I will take these on for review. It seems like everything is fine with both articles as the discussions have concluded and there's been no substantial changes since Hameltion approved them on August 27th. Frankly, I think the original concerns about advertising were extremely overblown - The existence of an article about a product is not inherently advertising and neither is mentioning a product on the front page. I am approving ALT7 and ALT8. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 12:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
reopening due to issues raised at WT:DYK#Grimace's Birthday (nom) — Amakuru (talk) 20:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 30
Feel It (MJ Cole song)
- ... that although Piri & Tommy had been releasing music for two years, their collaborative single "Feel It" with MJ Cole was their first single to be recorded in a studio?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Heghnar Zeitlian Watenpaugh
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Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Feel It (MJ Cole song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Needs some way of verifying the source, either by digging up the original radio broadcast or (preferably) finding a static, high-quality source. Unverifiable source accepted on good faith. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 19:17, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think usual DYK policy is to AGF such an offline source, though I have made it into a cite AV media instead. QPQ provided.--Launchballer 11:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I think you're right. Approved
on that basis.
- Slightly late now, but I notice that the word single is repeated: suggest deleting on second use for concision. Doesn't affect the overall picture, though. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- It's a fair enough cop at any point in my opinion; a promoter could very well say the same thing. I propose ALT1: ... that although Piri & Tommy had been releasing music for two years, their collaborative single "Feel It" with MJ Cole was their first to be recorded in a studio?--Launchballer 12:35, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Slightly late now, but I notice that the word single is repeated: suggest deleting on second use for concision. Doesn't affect the overall picture, though. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I think you're right. Approved
I've unpromoted this because it fails WP:V. See the thread at WT:DYK#Feel It (MJ Cole song). It can be re-promoted later if better sourcing can be found. RoySmith (talk) 01:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Is it me or is the hook also not that interesting unless you're a fan of the artist in question? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I agree about this not being interesting. I would imagine lots of musicians record outside a studio, so "although X had been releasing music for N years, their Y was their first to be recorded in a studio?" is true for many values of X, N, and Y. Assuming it could be verified, the bit about previously recording in their bedrooms would be hookier. RoySmith (talk) 12:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Is it me or is the hook also not that interesting unless you're a fan of the artist in question? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've been thinking about this a bit more. The AGF logic used above was flawed. We AGF when we know there's a legitimate and identifiable source which just happens not to be available on-line, but a complete enough citation that somebody could reasonably find it. Books, periodicals, etc, have titles, publishers, publication dates, page numbers, catalog numbers, etc. Somebody could go to an appropriate library or archive and find the item in question from those. But that's not what we have here. We've got "Tinea. 5 April 2023. Kiss". Even assuming somebody could decypher that into "A program titled 'Tinea' which was broadcast on a radio station called 'Kiss' on 5 April 2023", that's insufficient to find it. Is there an archive of everything Kiss broadcast that day? We don't know. If there is, how would one locate it other than listening to 24 hours of streaming audio in the hopes of recognizing something? You provided a URL that you say was in a previous version of the citation, but that URL 404's. In short, there's no way an interested reader could find the original source material to verify it. RoySmith (talk) 13:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think I see what you're driving at. I can offer you a copy of the schedule from last Wednesday, which points you to this series, which is two hours long, and I think she occupied the third quarter; most radio programmes she's on like to trail her appearance, although I really regret not taking down the timestamp at the time. (Unless I'm going blind, the only time parameter in Template:Cite episode is for a timestamp within the programme.) As for the hook, I can either offer ALT2: ... that Feel It was the first song Piri & Tommy recorded outside of their bedrooms?, or you can wait until I've finished my Tommy Villiers draft and we can go with something that starts "that the Feel It guitarist Tommy Villiers". (Probably "is the great-great-great-grandson of the British Prime Minister John Russell", unless I either find something else or can't get back to Fulham Library to verify where exactly within Burke's it is.)--Launchballer 09:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- I was actually thinking of the following wording since I think it's hookier and puts more emphasis on the bedrooms thing
ALT2a ... that prior to the release of "Feel It", all of Piri & Tommy's songs were recorded in their bedrooms?
- What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:00, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2b: ... that prior to their feature on MJ Cole's "Feel It", all of Piri & Tommy's songs were recorded in their bedrooms?--Launchballer 13:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2b: ... that prior to their feature on MJ Cole's "Feel It", all of Piri & Tommy's songs were recorded in their bedrooms?--Launchballer 13:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- I was actually thinking of the following wording since I think it's hookier and puts more emphasis on the bedrooms thing
- I think I see what you're driving at. I can offer you a copy of the schedule from last Wednesday, which points you to this series, which is two hours long, and I think she occupied the third quarter; most radio programmes she's on like to trail her appearance, although I really regret not taking down the timestamp at the time. (Unless I'm going blind, the only time parameter in Template:Cite episode is for a timestamp within the programme.) As for the hook, I can either offer ALT2: ... that Feel It was the first song Piri & Tommy recorded outside of their bedrooms?, or you can wait until I've finished my Tommy Villiers draft and we can go with something that starts "that the Feel It guitarist Tommy Villiers". (Probably "is the great-great-great-grandson of the British Prime Minister John Russell", unless I either find something else or can't get back to Fulham Library to verify where exactly within Burke's it is.)--Launchballer 09:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- @UndercoverClassicist: Since this has been stuck for a while, could you take a look at ALT2b? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Not quite sure who's "got" this one any more. I like alt2b and think it's just as verifiable as the original: I was always happy to AGF on the radio source, so if that objection is now considered resolved, I'd support promoting this one. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging RoySmith for their input. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'm still uncomfortable with this, for the reasons I outlined above. I did a bunch of searching and couldn't find anything to back this up. This is a currently performing popular music act. You would expect there would be all sorts of coverage on the interwebs. That I can't find anything leaves me uneasy. RoySmith (talk) 03:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I found out about it through one of her Instagram Stories, which disappeared. I do know what I listened to, but if you're that worried I just had ALT0 approved at Tommy Villiers - you could go with ALT3: ... that the "Feel It" guitarist Tommy Villiers is the great-great-great-great-grandson of the British Prime Minister John Russell, 1st Earl Russell? but you'd need to be quick.--Launchballer 04:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Have we got any possible alts cited to sources that we can all access? UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
one of her Instagram Stories, which disappeared
is pretty much the antithesis of WP:RS. RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)- To be clear, I listened to the broadcast having been alerted to its existence by Instagram. I do have a policy of not citing sources I haven't seen (or listened to, in this case); Debrett's almost certainly has the claim that Tommy is the great-great-grandson of Thomas Hyde Villiers, but because I can't see it on preview, I used it for what I could see (up to Hugo) and used Burke's for the rest.--Launchballer 14:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Have we got any possible alts cited to sources that we can all access? UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I found out about it through one of her Instagram Stories, which disappeared. I do know what I listened to, but if you're that worried I just had ALT0 approved at Tommy Villiers - you could go with ALT3: ... that the "Feel It" guitarist Tommy Villiers is the great-great-great-great-grandson of the British Prime Minister John Russell, 1st Earl Russell? but you'd need to be quick.--Launchballer 04:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'm still uncomfortable with this, for the reasons I outlined above. I did a bunch of searching and couldn't find anything to back this up. This is a currently performing popular music act. You would expect there would be all sorts of coverage on the interwebs. That I can't find anything leaves me uneasy. RoySmith (talk) 03:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging RoySmith for their input. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Considering the issues here regarding sourcing, we will probably need a wider discussion, either at WT:DYK or even at WP:RSN or another appropriate noticeboard. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:02, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- I was considering bringing this up at WP:RSN, but given that this is primarily an issue of verification for DYK purposes rather than a question of if a broadcast is a suitable source, I've started a discussion at WT:DYK#Template:Did you know nominations/Feel It (MJ Cole song) to get more eyes on this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- The aforementioned discussion was archived without much consensus or result so pinging Theleekycauldron, RoySmith, and BlueMoonset for advice on how to move forward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:57, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yesterday, Tommy Villiers was approved, but only for ALT1 (perhaps Vaticidalprophet missed that it was a double nom?). ALT3 (above), which incorporated that article, is sourced to books that can be found in libraries; Debrett's can be found in The British Library, while Burke's, which I used for most of it, I got from Fulham Library. They are both verifiable - in fact, I even took the liberty of drawing up a family tree to make obvious which bit I got from where.--Launchballer 09:45, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- I looked at that one for days and had no idea what to do with it -- it looked clear that the combined-hook one wasn't going to run, and "a nomination includes both combined hooks and separate hooks, the combined one is rejected" is not something for which I've seen sufficient precedent about how to handle the other half of the combination. Going by how long it sat at DYKNA, I'm guessing everyone else did the same. I eventually promoted it for the one that was approved in that specific nomination; I make no statements and have no opinions on how to promote the article in the rejected combined hook. Vaticidalprophet 09:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yesterday, Tommy Villiers was approved, but only for ALT1 (perhaps Vaticidalprophet missed that it was a double nom?). ALT3 (above), which incorporated that article, is sourced to books that can be found in libraries; Debrett's can be found in The British Library, while Burke's, which I used for most of it, I got from Fulham Library. They are both verifiable - in fact, I even took the liberty of drawing up a family tree to make obvious which bit I got from where.--Launchballer 09:45, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 5
Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402
... that anyone can be a student in room 402?Source: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=aEyKTaVlRPYC&dat=19990418&printsec=frontpage (go to page 28)ALT1: ... that in Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402, students in a classroom are described using rhyming verses? Source: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/betty-paraskevas/gracie-graves-and-the-kids-from-room-402/- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hasta Que Me Olvides
Created by Sebbirrrr (talk). Self-nominated at 22:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Sebbirrrr: thanks for this article - it is well-written, well-sourced and well-structured. QPQ also done. So all in shape, except the hooks above - ALT0 source link doesn't point to a clear explanation, and ALT1 is not interesting. If you can provide a quote from the source for ALT0, then I like the hookiness of it. Otherwise an ALT2 could point out that the book was described as having captured "grade-school grotesquerie". Onceinawhile (talk) 07:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: Thanks for the review. The given source mentions the last poem
"Which one is me and which is you?"
and says thatthe kids from room 402 are as familiar as the face in the mirror
, although I guess I should have added the Language Arts source as well as it clearly says thatit is hard not to respond to the author's invitation to choose the student that is most like you
. Let me know if this is alright for ALT0. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)- @Sebbirrrr: thank you. Please could you add this additional citation and clearer explanation to the “Content” section of the article? Then I will approve ALT0. Thank you Onceinawhile (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: Apologies, but I was not sure which citation you were referring to. I added the quote from the last poem and added a bit more detail about it since the quote from Language Arts was already included in the Reception section. Please tell me if I added the correct citation. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Sebirrrr, good to go! Onceinawhile (talk) 20:10, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile and Sebbirrrr: I am unable to make a connection between the hook and our article. Bruxton (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: Hello. The hook refers to the last poem in the book that states: "Which one is me and which is you?". If the hook is too vague, I guess it can be tweaked to include that the readers are invited to pick the student they best identify with. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile and Sebbirrrr: I am unable to make a connection between the hook and our article. Bruxton (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: Apologies, but I was not sure which citation you were referring to. I added the quote from the last poem and added a bit more detail about it since the quote from Language Arts was already included in the Reception section. Please tell me if I added the correct citation. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Sebbirrrr: thank you. Please could you add this additional citation and clearer explanation to the “Content” section of the article? Then I will approve ALT0. Thank you Onceinawhile (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
IMO We need to workshop another hook. Bruxton (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- See my suggestion for an ALT2 above. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: Using Onceinawhile's suggestion, would the following hook work? ALT2:
... that a reviewer thought that Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402 depicted "grade-school grotesquerie"?Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)- I am not sure. We may need some help from @Cielquiparle:. Can you help us fashion a hook? My mind is blank at the moment. Bruxton (talk) 15:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- The problem with ALT2 is that in the review, "grade-school grotesquerie" is technically used to describe the domain of the co-authors' expertise rather than the book topic itself. (Picky, I know.) Some ideas for ALT hooks (which could be candidates for the "quirky" slot:
- ALT3: ... that reading Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402 has been compared to perusing "a kooky stranger's yearbook"?
- ALT4:
... that one of the 28 children depicted in Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402 vomits after eating 16 Twinkies?
- Source for both hook is the Publishers Weekly review which is cited within the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Here is another one:
- ALT5:
... that Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402 includes a rhyme about "twins of unequal intellect"?
- ALT5:
- Source for that is the School Library Journal review, cited within the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for proposing alternate hooks. I haven't considered writing one about the children in the class. I don't mind either ALT4 or ALT5, but we'll see what @Bruxton: thinks. Sebbirrrr (talk) 08:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, ALT4 would not be suitable as guidelines require hooks to have a real-world connection and not be based on plot, which ALT4 seems to be. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I buy that as "depicted in" makes it clear that it is describing a plot, rather than describing something in-universe. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- From what I understand about the criterion, that kind of hook is still violating the spirit of the criterion. If the hook describes something as plot, that's still not enough to count as a real-world link. I think there was a discussion on WT:DYK a few months ago regarding that: maybe Theleekycauldron knows. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- WP:DYKFICTION should have the answer you're looking for here :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: No, it's super unclear. What does it mean? Cielquiparle (talk) 03:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- WP:DYKFICTION should have the answer you're looking for here :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- From what I understand about the criterion, that kind of hook is still violating the spirit of the criterion. If the hook describes something as plot, that's still not enough to count as a real-world link. I think there was a discussion on WT:DYK a few months ago regarding that: maybe Theleekycauldron knows. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I buy that as "depicted in" makes it clear that it is describing a plot, rather than describing something in-universe. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, ALT4 would not be suitable as guidelines require hooks to have a real-world connection and not be based on plot, which ALT4 seems to be. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for proposing alternate hooks. I haven't considered writing one about the children in the class. I don't mind either ALT4 or ALT5, but we'll see what @Bruxton: thinks. Sebbirrrr (talk) 08:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Here is another one:
- The problem with ALT2 is that in the review, "grade-school grotesquerie" is technically used to describe the domain of the co-authors' expertise rather than the book topic itself. (Picky, I know.) Some ideas for ALT hooks (which could be candidates for the "quirky" slot:
- I am not sure. We may need some help from @Cielquiparle:. Can you help us fashion a hook? My mind is blank at the moment. Bruxton (talk) 15:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I do think the idea ALT3 is an acceptable hook, though it may require attribution. Also maybe a different wording since not everyone might know what "peruse" means. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think readers can guess what "perusing" means from context. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think that's fine. DYKFICTION states that hooks need to be substantially connected the real world, not just a plot hook that is "technically out-of-universe because we acknowledge that it's plot". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- Restoring hook due to edit conflict:
- ALT6: ... that Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402 was criticized for conveying "a sort of smug superiority of adults"?
- Source is the School Library Journal review cited in the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Requires a new reviewer to approve the hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify, I just wanted a reviewer to look at ALT6. @Narutolovehinata5 and Theleekycauldron: Does that one work? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:37, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm fine with either ALT3 or ALT6. I have no access to ALT6's sources so AGF, though I should note that the footnote that supports it isn't in the sentence that mentions the "smug superiority" fact but rather the following sentence. That needs to be addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: Any editor with Wikipedia Library access should be able to access EBSCOHost sources by logging on to Wikipedia Library first, then clicking on the link. To register for an account, visit Wikipedia LibraryCielquiparle (talk) 02:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I have resolved the footnote issue in the article (and deleted the second sentence which had become repetitive anyway). For reference, here is the quote from School Library Journal: "These 29 visual and verbal caricatures in verse convey a sort of smug superiority of adults ridiculing the foibles and weaknesses of youth rather than genuine childlike humor. For the most part, the book lacks any warmth or caring about others and ultimately reinforces low self-esteem in children. Unfortunately, the most appealing of these often-strained verses glorify the worst behavior." Cielquiparle (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm fine with either ALT3 or ALT6. I have no access to ALT6's sources so AGF, though I should note that the footnote that supports it isn't in the sentence that mentions the "smug superiority" fact but rather the following sentence. That needs to be addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify, I just wanted a reviewer to look at ALT6. @Narutolovehinata5 and Theleekycauldron: Does that one work? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:37, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- I think readers can guess what "perusing" means from context. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
New reviewer still needed to check the hooks and approve one or more if appropriate. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 10
Oil in Turkey
- ... that some oil in Turkey comes from Russia, and Turkey sends diesel to the EU? Source: https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/06/29/how-russia-dodges-diesel-sanctions
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kharayeb
- Comment: Am I allowed to reuse this QPQ if Template:Did you know nominations/Climate change in Puerto Rico is rejected? If not let me know and I will do a new one.
Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Oil in Turkey; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment: @Chidgk1: you need to review one nomination for every article you nominate, so you do need to do another QPQ for this nomination. Template:Did you know nominations/Climate change in Puerto Rico was reviewed and then rereviewed, so there is no reason to not count it as a nomination. TSventon (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:58, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: @Chidgk1: Good article, but i'm not exactly a fan of the hook. Could a better one be made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onegreatjoke (talk • contribs) 20:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Batman has extra heavy? Source: https://www.eia.gov/international/analysis/country/TUR page 3 ...Türkiye’s proved oil reserves, which are primarily located in the southeastern provinces of Batman ... https://merip.org/2020/10/the-unintended-consequences-of-turkeys-quest-for-oil/ "The petroleum was very heavy" Chidgk1 (talk) 15:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Chidgk1: Maybe expand on the extra heavy because just saying Extra Heavy makes no sense. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- I am hoping that making no sense will intrigue people to click it as I thought that was the point of a hook. I thought a hook was supposed to be clickbait. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- There's somewhat of a difference if a fine line between a hook that is intentionally vague to encourage people to read, and a hook that is so vague that it makes no sense and thus drives away readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- I am hoping that making no sense will intrigue people to click it as I thought that was the point of a hook. I thought a hook was supposed to be clickbait. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Chidgk1: Maybe expand on the extra heavy because just saying Extra Heavy makes no sense. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Batman has extra heavy crude? Source: https://www.eia.gov/international/analysis/country/TUR page 3 ...Türkiye’s proved oil reserves, which are primarily located in the southeastern provinces of Batman ... https://merip.org/2020/10/the-unintended-consequences-of-turkeys-quest-for-oil/ "The petroleum was very heavy"
- @Onegreatjoke: I assume that many readers will be American and many Americans know the superhero - of course ALT2 might make no sense on first reading but turns out to be grammatically and factually correct Chidgk1 (talk) 16:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 11
Chaim Tzvi Schneerson
- ... that in 1874, Rabbi Chaim Tzvi Schneerson was forced to ride through Tiberias naked on a donkey as punishment for his opposition to the Ottoman Government? Source:[1][2]
- Reviewed:
Created by EytanMelech (talk). Self-nominated at 21:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Chaim Tzvi Schneerson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The article has been flagged for WP:V and WP:NOR by another editor. That being said, it's a great article and with some more work on the aforementioned issues, could be a great DYK. Maximilian775 (talk)
- @Maximilian775: Thank you! I am still unsure what parts are "original research", but would be happy to correct any issues with the article if given examples of what needs to change.
EytanMelech (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Miraclepine, could you possibly elaborate on the notice you left on the article? TIA. Maximilian775 (talk)
- Comment. I don't think this is main page-ready. At minimum, it needs a top-to-bottom copyedit: there are confusing sentences and basic grammatical errors like not capitalizing the first letter in a sentence but also capitalizing random words like Speech. Here's a single paragraph I took a look at. More problematically, while this is great material for, say, a website or an extended blog post, I think there's far too much detail on weak sourcing from a giant hunt for any mention of Schneerson's name at all for Wikipedia standards. Not every contemporary news article is significant or reliable. For example, the "feats of the assembly" of this Melbourne meeting was mentioned, but there weren't any "feats". It was an awareness and fundraising event that clearly didn't actually go that far, and Schneerson is not even mentioned by name in the resulting book nor is it clear it's his article being quoted from, and even if it was (it probably was, sure), it was two pages in a 256 page book stashed in an appendix. Is this really THAT important to bring up? I think a Wikipedia article needs to be a little more focused on the important things that secondary sources say, and a loving full treatment of every single mention is more for a book or specific website on the topic. The 1860s were an era when print was fairly cheap; saying "news about Schneerson's actions and speeches continued to be published in Europe" is kind of the equivalent of saying that a modern-day newsletter writer continues to write posts. That's nice, but not really THAT special. SnowFire (talk) 18:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- @EytanMelech: It's been a month or so. Do you think you have the time or implication to look into the concerns above? If not, it's no big deal, but we can withdraw or close the nomination then. SnowFire (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SnowFire: A decent amount of copyediting has been done by various users since I worked on the page, so that is taken care of. There are no more sources available for Schneerson. I scoured every newspaper archive I could find and every web result from every web browser in every variation of spelling of his name in both English and Hebrew. If you are not happy with the detail here, then there is nothing else I can do. EytanMelech (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @EytanMelech: I believe you, but to be clear, the complaint above is not "the article is not comprehensive enough." Per above, the issue is "far too much detail" - that by scooping up every single contemporary newspaper article, the article lacks focus, and my lend undue weight to events that weren't actually that important (e.g. see above about how a passing reference, in an appendix of Rome and Jerusalem, to an article that Schneerson wrote, that did not mention the journalist by name, gets some time). Which is wonderful work in many ways, but it's really better for a book / website / journal article than an encyclopedia overview article. And even if trimmed, it needs copyediting. SnowFire (talk) 17:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- I understand what you mean. A lot of those very niche details I think were mostly stuff that I adapted from originally uncited claims on the Hebrew article. EytanMelech (talk) 17:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @EytanMelech: I believe you, but to be clear, the complaint above is not "the article is not comprehensive enough." Per above, the issue is "far too much detail" - that by scooping up every single contemporary newspaper article, the article lacks focus, and my lend undue weight to events that weren't actually that important (e.g. see above about how a passing reference, in an appendix of Rome and Jerusalem, to an article that Schneerson wrote, that did not mention the journalist by name, gets some time). Which is wonderful work in many ways, but it's really better for a book / website / journal article than an encyclopedia overview article. And even if trimmed, it needs copyediting. SnowFire (talk) 17:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SnowFire: A decent amount of copyediting has been done by various users since I worked on the page, so that is taken care of. There are no more sources available for Schneerson. I scoured every newspaper archive I could find and every web result from every web browser in every variation of spelling of his name in both English and Hebrew. If you are not happy with the detail here, then there is nothing else I can do. EytanMelech (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @EytanMelech: It's been a month or so. Do you think you have the time or implication to look into the concerns above? If not, it's no big deal, but we can withdraw or close the nomination then. SnowFire (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
@EytanMelech: I still see concerns in this article, including sections that are uncited. Are you working on this in the next few days, or should this be withdrawn? Z1720 (talk) 14:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Z1720: As I have stated, I have no more sources. There is nothing that I could do to find more citations for any other information in the article. I assume most of the information that is uncited is found somewhere in the book on Otzar (under Sources, Klausner 1973) but I do not have a subscription to the site and cannot access the book. EytanMelech (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @EytanMelech: DYK does not allow uncited statements in the articles that are listed. I suggest removing the parts that you cannot find a citation for, and post here when the article is ready for a re-review. Z1720 (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ "ISRAELITES IN TURKEY". New York Times. 23 Aug 1877. p. 1. Retrieved 11 Jul 2023.
- ^ Klausner, Israel (1973). רבי חיים צבי שניאורסון : ממבשרי מדינת ישראל (in Hebrew). Jerusalem: Mossad Harav Kook. p. 105.
Articles created/expanded on July 19
World constitution
- ... that since 1977 a world constitution exists with a working Provisional World Parliament? Source: [6], [7], [8] [9]
- ALT1: ... that a world-wide call for a World Constitutional Convention was signed by large number of world figures and many National Governments and in result a world constitution was created? Source: [10], [11]
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- Comment: Recently reactivated WP: WikiProject Globalization, guys see if this fits the criteria. And thanks to the @User:Penny Richards for the source.
Created by BeLucky (talk). Self-nominated at 10:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/World constitution; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Drive by comment: This dramatically overstates how much this exists and how much is "works". Many is a WTW. Is there a third hook that could be used? --Guerillero Parlez Moi 18:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ok we can make these simpler: ALT2: ... that since 1977 a world constitution has a working Provisional World Parliament?"
- ALT3: ... that a world-wide call for a World Constitutional Convention was signed by large number of world figures and 5 National Governments and as result a world constitution was created?
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
@BeLucky: Giving this its first full review. New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. I do not like ALT1/3, and ALT2 does not remedy the issue raised above. Maybe ALT0 without "working" would do? Two issues: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- The passage
Efforts to formulate world constitutions have been present throughout history, often arising in response to global crises or conflicts. These initiatives have sought to address the limitations of the existing international order and propose more comprehensive systems of global governance.
needs a citation. - I wonder if the two bullet point lists could be written instead as prose, though that might be more of a GA-type issue than DYK.
- The passage
Annales des Maladies de la Peau et de la Syphilis
- ... that the founder of Annales des Maladies de la Peau et de la Syphilis claimed to have inoculated himself with syphilis? Source: Alphée Cazenave, ... infected himself with pus drawn from a symptom of syphilis received little attention...[12]
- Reviewed: Yellow sticker
Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 17:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Annales des Maladies de la Peau et de la Syphilis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
General eligibility:
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Overall: QPQ hasn't yet been done,
article appears ineligible since it was not nommed within a timely manner. Earwig looks good and page is well written. Hook is interesting a cited properly. I gave the supplimentary rules a good read through, particularly D9 (newness IAR): The "seven days old" limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.
, I feel as though you'd probably ask for leniency, and I'm more than happy to accommodate, just please the the QPQ in sooner than later. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 04:07, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Etriusus:... Thank you. QPQ added. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:35, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
On hold. Article has been tagged for possible merge. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:49, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 30
Super Connected
- ... that Super Connected, the new album by Tim Arnold, was banned by Apple for a track about an 'iHead', that was narrated by Stephen Fry? Source: "A Vision Pro parody ad on an album featuring actor Stephen Fry has been banned from an album on Apple Music. The spoof ad for an iHead product was actually created some four years before Apple actually launched a headset" - 9to5mac.com - https://9to5mac.com/2023/07/05/vision-pro-parody-banned/
- Reviewed: (optional)
- Comment: I'm autistic and found this complicated to do but I was told by an experienced Wikipedian to give it a try. I hope I've done it correctly. Sorry if I haven't. Martin
Created by 23M23 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Super Connected; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Interesting hook, article itself is well sourced, and neutral. I made some minor copy edits. As a new DYK nominator, 23M23 does not need to review other DYK hooks. I saw elsewhere, they wanted to add an image, which would not be possible, because the home page does not allow fair use images, which most music albums are. This hook itself is ready to go. Congratulations 23M23! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Shushugah: You cannot approve an article without reviewing it for possible copyright violations (of the prose, not just the images) or close paraphrasing. Also...are you sure about the sourcing for this article? In other words, are you comfortable that all sources cited in the article would pass WP:RS? Or do some of them need to be removed and better sources found? Cielquiparle (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for pinging me! I forgot to do copyvio check earlier. Using earwig, I checked the 10 possible copyright violations. Majority of them are false positives, due to long quotes that are correctly cited being found as matches. After confirming that the news sources were written before the entry (eliminating citogenesis possibility) was added to Wikipedia,
- I do conclude that that Diva Magazine copies sentences verbatim instead of resummarizing the source. Please have a look at this 23M23 and ping me when done.
- I also assessed whether the Medium blog sources written by subject of article are WP:UNDUE/self PROMO. I think they're used in a DUE/reasonable way within the article, but it would be preferable to replace with secondary sourcing. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for pinging me! I forgot to do copyvio check earlier. Using earwig, I checked the 10 possible copyright violations. Majority of them are false positives, due to long quotes that are correctly cited being found as matches. After confirming that the news sources were written before the entry (eliminating citogenesis possibility) was added to Wikipedia,
- @Shushugah: You cannot approve an article without reviewing it for possible copyright violations (of the prose, not just the images) or close paraphrasing. Also...are you sure about the sourcing for this article? In other words, are you comfortable that all sources cited in the article would pass WP:RS? Or do some of them need to be removed and better sources found? Cielquiparle (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Issues need to be fixed. Will move to WP:DYKN. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867
- ... that Section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867 requires that the Governor General of Canada give a royal recommendation for spending and tax bills prior to passage by the House of Commons of Canada? Source: http://www.revparl.ca/english/issue.asp?param=65&art=80 Keyes, John Mark, "When Bills and Amendments Require the Royal Recommendation: A Discussion Paper and Guidelines", Canadian Parliamentary Review, vol. 20, no. 4 (1997).
- ALT1: ... that Section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867 of Canada is based on a rule of the British House of Commons, passed in 1713? Source: http://www.revparl.ca/english/issue.asp?param=65&art=80 Keyes, John Mark, "When Bills and Amendments Require the Royal Recommendation: A Discussion Paper and Guidelines", Canadian Parliamentary Review, vol. 20, no. 4 (1997).
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maggie Tokuda-Hall
Improved to Good Article status by Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:26, 4 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:04, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz and Onegreatjoke: just noting here that the reason this hasn't been promoted is both the hooks are rather uninteresting. Any chance that something "hookier" could be found? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Probably not. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- I agree that, unless you're a political science or Canadian politics buff, neither hook really stands out as hooky or catchy. If no other hooks are possible then regrettably this nomination may need to be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 1
Lillian V. Holdeman Moore
- ... that Lillian V. Holdeman Moore identified a spike in hydrogen-gas producing bacteria in Skylab astronauts? Source: Sachs, Jessica Snyder (2008-09-30). Good Germs, Bad Germs: Health and Survival in a Bacterial World. Farrar, Straus and Giroux. ISBN 978-1-4299-2329-3.
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Created by PlantPoet (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lillian V. Holdeman Moore; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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- Page number is needed for the book. If you read the book, you will also find that "Holdeman observed that astronauts had a 25% increase in the intestinal populations of hydrogen-gas-producing" is false. The increase was much larger, with the population increasing 13 times and accounting for the 25% of the total bacteria population. I tried to find the scientific publication in scholar but failed ( I found the other one mentioned about the stress). Also, I added two citation needed tags.
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Overall: C messier (talk) 16:10, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hey there, PlantPoet! Checking in, have you seen the review? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- C messier, theleekycauldron, I pinged PlantPoet on their talk page last week, and they subsequently edited the article per the comments above, noting in a reply that they'd done. Have the issues raised in the review been sufficiently addressed by those edits? Does anything else remain? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 5
Inferno (Counter-Strike)
... that the Counter-Strike map "Inferno" was a popular community map for Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare on PC? Source: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/07/10-best-fps-multiplayer-maps/- ALT1: ... that "Inferno" from the Counter-Strike series is considered one of the best multiplayer maps in video game history by Kotaku? Source: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/07/10-best-fps-multiplayer-maps/
- ALT2: ... that the Counter-Strike map "Inferno" encourages the player to massacre chickens via awarding points? Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/csgo-chickens/
- Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by NegativeMP1 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Inferno (Counter-Strike); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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- I would take ALT 1 over ALT 0, since ALT 0 may only be appealing to a gaming audience or not be well understood by a wider audience. The attribution of ALT 1 is problematic because it is sourced from one review, a Kotaku article, and may not reflect a wider opinion of game reviewers/publications/individual perceptions. I like it, but if it is "one of the best multiplayer maps in video game history" there should be multiple reliable sources that state such. In the article, it does not state "best multiplayer maps in video game history" but lists other varying factors such as: "one of the best multiplayer maps ever made" or "Inferno has often been called one of the best maps in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and among the best in the series" or "Throughout the lifespan of Global Offensive, Inferno has been considered one of the most important maps in the games competitive scene". It seems to be the best at multiple things here, which is confusing given the current hook's wording. A plausible hook could involve Kotaku. Maybe another hook idea?
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: This article was a good read, first and foremost. I got to learn more about a map in the game CS:GO. I have never played the game, but I am well aware of it and its legacy. The article was recently promoted to GA on August 5, 2023, and it is long enough to support 8,800 bytes/characters. The article is supported by a list of reliable sources, neutral, and free from major copyright and plagiarism. According to our lovely friend Earwig, the article turns up mostly quotes and common phrases. There is one small paraphrasing issue, but it should be addressed with the above and below comments inadvertently. Hooks are in length, cited here, but there are some problems noted above and below. QPQ is not needed since this is a first-time nomination.
For my DYK reviews, I tend to add some comments the editor can implement to improve their article. I believe these suggestions should be implemented, as a reader might have questions on the article's content:
- In the lead, wikilinks for "casual" with Casual game and possibly "competitive play" with Gamer or Esports? Same with their first appearance in the body.
- Wikilink the first instance of choke points in the section "Design".
- Also, in the section "Design", the sentence: ... as they control very important locations and will almost certainly experience conflict. might read better as
... as they control important locations and will experience points of conflict.
- In the subsection "Global Offensive" in "History", the sentence: The map returned in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, now as a base game map, with minor graphical enhancements ... might read better as
The map returned in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive as a base game map, with minor graphical enhancements ...
- In the "Reception" section, the sentence: Inferno has often been called one of the best maps in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and among the best in the series. should clarify who says CS:GO's Inferno is the best:
Inferno has often been called one of the best maps in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive by [gaming publications/reviewers/the public] and among the best in the series.
- In the "Reception" section, the sentence: As of 2023, Inferno remains one of the most popular maps in the games competitive scene, and it was used in the last Major Championship before the upcoming release of Counter-Strike 2. is out of place, given that later in the subsection "Competitive impact" it restates the first half of this sentence at the beginning and covers the rest of it in more detail. I would delete this sentence.
- Unfortunately, this sentence: Throughout the lifespan of Global Offensive, Inferno has been considered one of the most important maps in the games competitive scene. is a bit problematic given that it does not accurately provide a summary of the subsection's topics, as it attempts to define what the section does not/is not. The statement is particularly confusing since it seems to stretch into WP:OR, giving a general anecdote for a series of controversial changes/criticism/popularity stats of the subsection's topics but not addressing how the map was explicitly: "one of the most important maps in the games competitive scene".
- I think a plausible way to fix this would be to move sentences: "After the final Counter-Strike major in early 2023, it was revealed that Inferno was the most played map in the games majors, being played 263 times, with Mirage being played 243 times. The map was featured in all of the games majors except the Cologne 2016 and Atlanta 2017, which took place during the maps update period." possibly back up to the main "Reception" content, likely as the last sentences of the first paragraph. I would also reword it to better conform with the idea that it is "among the best in the series". I would delete the subsection and preface the remaining sentences with something about controversy or criticism that fit WP:DUE.
- In the subsection "Competitive impact", I assume "CT side" is "Counter-Terrorist side". If so, an abbreviation should appear somewhere in the article, likely during the first instance of the word.
I know this seems like a lot, but with some perseverance, I believe this article could pass if a new hook is cited and changes to the article's content are made that better reflect a newly accurate worded hook. There are some grammar/sentence structure stuff I can help fix later, but the above are crucial to implement. I do not want to outright say no to this DYK nomination since this is a first-time nom, and I believe in the editor's work! Adog (Talk・Cont) 05:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Adog Thanks for the feedback on the article itself, these were some things I honestly didn't take into account too much and hence didn't notice. I think most of it should be addressed now? Anyways, I specified Kotaku in the ALT1 and added an ALT2, which I think might be way more interesting as a hook. NegativeMP1 (talk) 05:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
@NegativeMP1: Awesome! I went through the article and did some touch ups for your attention. If something was changed that altered the sentence's meaning, feel free to revert it back. The article looks amazing! I like ALT 2 a lot. ALT 1 could be an alternative. I am going to ask for another reviewer just to double-check, but I feel this article looks good, has the hook, and is ready. Thank you for your patience and attention. Good luck! :) Adog (Talk・Cont) 13:34, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 6
Herb Dell
- ... that Herb Dell served as a National Football League official at the same time he was a head coach? Source: Head coach in 1922 Referee in 1922
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jug Bennett (5/7)
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Herb Dell; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Or a shorter version – ALT1: ... that Herb Dell was a National Football League official and head coach at the same time? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: His being official at the same time is sourced to a primary source database. As it's an exceptional claim that he'd be in a conflict of interest position, it should have a secondary source, vetted by an author, which confirms that he was an official and coach in the same league at the same time. —Bagumba (talk) 11:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've always found Pro Football Archives a reliable and accurate source, but if you need a non-database reference I'll need awhile to find it (I may contact them to see which games he officiated and if that doesn't work, I may have to go digging through all the game recaps of the season - but I had planned on doing that anyway in a month or two for another project). Is that alright, @Bagumba:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
@BeanieFan11: What's the status of your search? Is this ready for a re-review? Z1720 (talk) 14:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Z1720 and Bagumba: OK, so I haven't had much time to do the research, but I contacted PFA and they gave me a list of every game they were able to verify he officiated. There were no games from 1922, so I don't see why list him as having officiated during that year, but I still think a few other good ALT hooks could be developed by changing the wording. E.g. "... that after having been an official for Columbus Panhandles NFL games, Herb Dell served as their head coach?" Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 8
Hanscotte centre-rail system
- ... that railroad engineer Jules Hanscotte developed his Hanscotte centre-rail system for the safe braking of heavy trains on steep gradients, but its only significant use was on tourist tramways? Source: From La Société de construction des Batignolles de 1914-1939 pages 127-128
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Created by AntientNestor (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hanscotte centre-rail system; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment: This is my first DYK application—QPQ doesn't apply.
The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. Everything is reliably referenced. A QPQ isn't needed. SL93 (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
@AntientNestor and SL93: I have looked at this article many times wanting to promote it, but I get stuck trying to verify that the fact cited in the hook is in the article. If you want this to run on the main page, I really think the fact cited in the hook needs to be made more explicit and clearer in the article itself. Remember, by putting it on the main page, you're now asking a broader audience to read the article, and it should be reasonably straightforward for readers to verify that the claim made in the hook is actually in the article. (Also SL93: What about the references you can access? What is your assessment of possible copyright violations or close paraphrasing?) Cielquiparle (talk) 21:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Google has the text of the pages used as a reference here. These are cited in the article. Thanks for taking an interest.--AntientNestor (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Lead now expanded.--AntientNestor (talk) 14:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 9
Joya no Kane
- ... that Japanese Buddhist temples ring their bells 108 times on New Year's Eve? Source: [13]: 「除夜の鐘は、大晦日の夜に各寺で撞かれるもので、回数はほとんどの寺で108回と決まっている。」 "Joya no Kane is an event that happens on New Year's Eve at each temple, and the number of times is generally fixed at 108."
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Moved to mainspace by AdJHu (talk). Self-nominated at 23:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Joya no Kane; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- This is my first DYK nomination, so I don't need to do a QPQ. QPQ Check AdJHu 胡 18:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi, welcome to DYK! According to WP:DYKCITE, "All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)." I see multiple paragraphs that do not have any in-line citation. Are you able to add them? Otherwise, the page is new enough and long enough. I know a little Japanese and I can see that the cited sources are about Joya no Kane, but I will "assume good faith" (AGF) that they contain the details they support. Because the information is translated from Japanese sources, I assume it is free of close paraphrasing.
- One thing I found confusing: "the founder Shinran Shonin did not think that sins were something that are paid for". Is Joya no Kane seen as a way to pay for sins? I see the "number of worldly sins" as a possible explanation for there being 108 rings of the bell, but nothing about it paying for sin.
- The hook is good and supported by the source cited in the DYK nomination. However, the fact needs an in-line citation in the body of the Wikipedia article. Please let me know if you have questions and I am happy to clarify. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for taking a look at this. Apologies for the delay, real life stuff is coming up. I will address your feedback once I have some time. AdJHu 胡 18:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
@AdJHu: Have you addressed the concerns? Is this ready for a re-review? Z1720 (talk) 14:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Nominator hasn't edited in weeks and also hasn't edited the article since August, so I guess we'll need to close this as stale. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Montgomery Brawl
- ... that The Fader praised "Montgomery Brawl" as "a hilarious ... song a piece of history deserves"? Source: https://www.thefader.com/2023/08/08/gmac-cash-battle-of-alabama-montgomery-brawl
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/HeadOn
Created by CJ-Moki (talk). Self-nominated at 08:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Montgomery Brawl; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- 1. The sentence ""Montgomery Brawl" was universally acclaimed by music critics" isn't supported by any citations. The two citations in the following sentences don't justify a universal acclamation. It might be better phrased as ""Montgomery Brawl" has been generally praised by music critics" or the like.
- 2. The hook is cited but it combines two separate quotes from the source article into one contorted quote. Could I suggest: "... that The Fader praised "Montgomery Brawl" as "a hilarious recap" of the brawl and a "song a piece of history deserves?" Hybernator (talk) 23:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Hybernator: I think your proposal is a fair alternative:
- ALT1: ... that The Fader praised "Montgomery Brawl" as "a hilarious recap" of the brawl and a "song a piece of history deserves?" Source: https://www.thefader.com/2023/08/08/gmac-cash-battle-of-alabama-montgomery-brawl
- CJ-Moki (talk) 04:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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New enough. Long enough. Well written. Citations throughout. Hook ALT1 is interesting, and cited. QPQ done. GTG. Hybernator (talk) 04:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
@CJ-Moki: Could you please de-orphan the article and then remove the tag? Cielquiparle (talk) 08:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: I just de-orphaned the article. CJ-Moki (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Restore tick. Cielquiparle (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: I just de-orphaned the article. CJ-Moki (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Article presently has a merge banner - as of September 8. Bruxton (talk) 22:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
On hold until merge discussion closes. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 10
Lil Tay
- ... that during a three month period in 2018, nine-year-old rapper Lil Tay called herself the "youngest flexer of the century" and had 2.4 million followers on Instagram? Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/9-year-old-youtube-star-lil-tay-disappeared-from-internet-2018-6
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Created by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lil Tay; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article is new and long enough, referenced and neutral. Earwig only flags a quote which isn't a concern; hook is cited and interesting, and QPQ is not needed since nominator has not nominated over five articles yet for DYK. Good to go! Tails Wx (they/them) 06:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
@TDKR Chicago 101 and Tails Wx: I see the part of the hook about flexing in the lead but it is not cited. All facts in the hook must be cited no later than the end of the sentence - preferably in the body. 2600:1008:B117:4EDC:B165:93A7:92F9:9A7B (talk) 03:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Done. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
@TDKR Chicago 101, Tails Wx, and Bruxton: I've pulled this per my questions at the DYK noticeboard. Do ping me when changes have been made, I'll put this back in prep myself. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I was not clear on what is specifically needed based on your message on DYK talk. Bruxton (talk) 13:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Agreed, not sure what the specific issues are? I already expanded the lead and the article is well sourced. I thought TMZ was a generally accepted source by Wiki. Not to mention most of the TMZ/Insider sources used is to back up statements in the article where TMZ/Insider are directly referenced. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: & @Bruxton:: Is this hook/article good or not? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- TMZ is absolutely not the kind of source that we want to use on a biography of a living minor. Insider is marginally/situationally reliable, I'll have to read into the exact coverage here to figure out where it falls on the balance. I also still don't know what the hook means. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:10, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: & @Bruxton:: Is this hook/article good or not? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Agreed, not sure what the specific issues are? I already expanded the lead and the article is well sourced. I thought TMZ was a generally accepted source by Wiki. Not to mention most of the TMZ/Insider sources used is to back up statements in the article where TMZ/Insider are directly referenced. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 11
Walid Hamdiya
- ... that the Palestinian Authority sentenced Hamas member Walid Hamdiya, considered one of the most important spies for Israel, to death by firing squad after a one-day trial in 2002? Source: https://www.amnesty.org/fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde210142002en.pdf
- ALT1: ... that upon his arrest in 1995, Hamas senior member Walid Hamdiya was considered of the most senior Palestinian spies for Israel? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/03/world/3-palestinians-who-spied-for-israel-are-killed-in-gaza.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2023 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team
Created by Longhornsg (talk). Self-nominated at 02:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Walid Hamdiya; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
This article was nominated on the day it was created. Sources check out. The hooks are interesting (though the hospital bed execution might be more so). There are two problems, however. One of them is length. Seemingly, the article just barely passes the length requirements; but there is so much repetition between the lead and the two sections that a mere character count is misleading. The second issue is notability. I see no evidence of significant coverage in the sources cited or the sources I find online. As far as DYK goes, however, I would say the first problem is more pressing. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 12
Conjurer (band)
- ... that Conjurer has contributed to a musical project named after a quote from the sitcom Peep Show? Source: "I have to ask, but is it named after a Peep Show quote? Brady: Absolutely." - Distorted Sound Magazine "This summer, Conjurer hooked up with Manchester post-rockers Pijn for Curse These Metal Hands, a four-track project named after a Peep Show quote." - Music Week
- Reviewed: 3rd DYK nom so not required
- Comment: Would be nice to have this on the 18th August as Curse These Metal Hands are performing at ArcTanGent Festival then, but no worries if it can't be fit in.
Created by Pinktoebeans (talk) and CasualInterestInManyThings (talk). Nominated by Pinktoebeans (talk) at 13:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Conjurer (band); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: I found three pictures for the article and stuck them in where I thought they'd best fit, but I am not set on them in their current locations, or even on having all of them, feel free to move around or even remove some. Also, not knowing much about the band, I couldn't caption them in more detail - who is who - which might be useful for readers. Perhaps you may be able to caption the band members. GRuban (talk) 13:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
@Pinktoebeans, CasualInterestInManyThings, and GRuban: Andy Price's departure and his replacement by Conor Marshall (as mentioned in the Members section) is not cited. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- Good point, I missed that. I searched a bit, and couldn't find the exact date, but I did find this statement from the band on Twitter:
- https://twitter.com/ConjurerUK/status/1032204735426818048 "Conor came into the band just after we recorded Mire and Andy left 5:56 AM · Aug 22, 2018"
- Better than nothing? --GRuban (talk) 13:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Aha! Got it. https://www.therockpit.net/2017/conjurer-announce-debut-album-mire-and-release-new-video/ is announcing the completion of Mire, and is dated November 25, 2017. So Mire was already made by then (though scheduled for release in 2018). In fact, I am reasonably sure the picture of Conjurer that is accompanying the article already includes Conor Marshall (I'm reasonably sure he's the long haired skinny guy). On the other end, here's http://thesludgelord.blogspot.com/2017/01/band-profile-crushing-noisecore-crew.html?m=1 which is an article by Andy Price himself, dated Friday, 20 January 2017, and includes "... ; that has never left me and is still very much part of the sound that I bring to Conjurer." So the combination of the three links is good for narrowing down the date to 2017. Whew - that was non-trivial research, for a topic (metal music) that I know very little about! You get a DYK review from me, you get the full package!
--GRuban (talk) 13:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Aha! Got it. https://www.therockpit.net/2017/conjurer-announce-debut-album-mire-and-release-new-video/ is announcing the completion of Mire, and is dated November 25, 2017. So Mire was already made by then (though scheduled for release in 2018). In fact, I am reasonably sure the picture of Conjurer that is accompanying the article already includes Conor Marshall (I'm reasonably sure he's the long haired skinny guy). On the other end, here's http://thesludgelord.blogspot.com/2017/01/band-profile-crushing-noisecore-crew.html?m=1 which is an article by Andy Price himself, dated Friday, 20 January 2017, and includes "... ; that has never left me and is still very much part of the sound that I bring to Conjurer." So the combination of the three links is good for narrowing down the date to 2017. Whew - that was non-trivial research, for a topic (metal music) that I know very little about! You get a DYK review from me, you get the full package!
- Good point, I missed that. I searched a bit, and couldn't find the exact date, but I did find this statement from the band on Twitter:
Articles created/expanded on August 13
Seamus Heaney HomePlace
- ... that the Seamus Heaney HomePlace exhibits the late poet's leather bag and school desk? Source: Harris, Patricia; Lyon, David (March 11, 2018). "Honoring the Poet and His Roots". The Boston Globe. Retrieved August 14, 2023.
- ALT1: ... that the Seamus Heaney HomePlace uses the basalt stone that once made up the wall of the RUC barracks which originally stood on the same site as the centre? Source: Piavanini, Joanne (2020). Cultural memory in Seamus Heaney's late work. Cham, Switzerland: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 209–213. ISBN 978-3-030-46927-6.
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Created by 1TWO3Writer (talk). Self-nominated at 11:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Seamus Heaney HomePlace; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
New enough and long enough, no eligibility issues, no QPQ needed. I'm unsure about the hooks, though. "RUC" as an abbreviation is definitely not clear to a broad audience, though the contrast between the history of the force and the cosmopolitan complexity of Heaney could be spun into something interesting. Opening this one up to discussion -- there's a hook here, but I don't think either of these are there yet. Vaticidalprophet 08:14, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- How about something to the effect of:
Did you know that the Seamus Heaney HomePlace is built on the site of a former police barracks used during the Troubles which featured heavily in the late poet's poems?
123Writer talk 19:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)I think that's a suitable ALT2, which I'll just format properly here (with a minor copyedit) so the promotion script can see it properly...
- ALT2: ... that the Seamus Heaney HomePlace is built on the site of a former police barracks used during the Troubles, which featured heavily in the late poet's poems?
- Approving ALT2 only. There might be a slightly smoother wording, but that can be worked out in prep. Vaticidalprophet 14:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
@1TWO3Writer and Vaticidalprophet: Agree that ALT2 is a compelling hook...but now you need to make sure that the fact cited in the hook is clearly explained within the article itself. (I'm not seeing any explicit discussion of the Troubles in Heaney's poetry, although I do see that the police barracks are mentioned.) Cielquiparle (talk) 21:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- How about something to the effect of:
Articles created/expanded on August 15
Hevenu shalom aleichem
- ... that "Hevenu shalom aleichem", adapted to English as "May there be peace in the world", has been sung at Jewish weddings and German events for peace? Source: several
- ALT1: ... that the Israeli singer Daliah Lavi (pictured) recorded the Hebrew song "Hevenu shalom aleichem" ("May there be peace in the world") in Germany in 1974? Source: several
- Reviewed: Echte Wagner Margarine
- Comment: El C had not much time yet to add things from an Israeli point of view. He may come up with a better hook. - I understand that Lavi's image is not directly related to the song but it shows the spirit of that time and its peace movements quite well.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and El C (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:02, 22 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hevenu shalom aleichem; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article meets DYK requirements and a QPQ has been provided. No close paraphrasing has been found. I prefer the first hook as being more interesting to a broad audience than the ALT. That hook is cited inline in the source and verified. However, only the "has been sung at Jewish weddings" part of the hook is directly mentioned in the article: the "German events for peace" part is not directly stated in the article, only that it is a song about peace. I could also suggest an additional alternative hook about it being sung by Ukranian refugees as I think that's a pretty good angle for a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. Going to work on more refs for those events. I saw an article by Bild on 10000 in Dresden in Spring 2022 for Ukraine, but when I wanted to quote from it, I had exceeded my limit of free access. Can you perhaps see it? - Also: I wanted to give El C a chance to supply more on Israeli history and events first. - Also, some women who just died are higher on my priority list. I feel I have to write an FA now if I want to get achievements to the Main page, - quite a mountain I must say. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt and Narutolovehinata5: Looking at the sources, I'm not convinced this article is notable? Delighted to learn of it, I'd never heard it, but a lot of the significant coverage seems to come from non-editorial and non-reputable sourcing. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- I am still waiting for El C, and references to the specific meaning it has in Israel. For the waiting time, enjoy a great performance. Or Walter Arlen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- El C now contributed many uses in Israel, and I'd like to know which items seems most promising, possibly to replace "Jewish weddings" which many will know already, Narutolovehinata5, theleekycauldron. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- El_C, without having the patience to read through the Hebrew in the new refs, it seems like the most you were able to squeeze out of them was short-but-impactful mentions. Do any of them go into detail about the piece or otherwise provide sigcov? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- No. El_C 15:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- tlc, this is not a piece, just a text of 3 words, and a melody of 8 measures, but with impact comparable to La Marseillaise. A song in Hebrew listed in multiple German song books (in Hebrew), a peace song chosen as one of six by German authorities, the signature melody of El Al, + the other uses, - isn't that enough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Strictly speaking: not really, no. Per WP:NSONGS, songs are
probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works
. Can you tell me which sources in the article (or otherwise) meet that standard? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:17, 29 September 2023 (UTC)- as you say "strictly speaking". We have many articles about songs that are known in a small part of the world, used by a few people. I wrote some of them, such as Segne dieses Kind. "Hevenu shalom aleichem", however, is known by many, as the article says. Counting: "Segne dieses Kind" is part of 21 German songbooks. Hevenu shalom aleichen is part of 54 German songbooks, not counting English, French, you name it. Widely published, arranged by many, played by orchestras, ... - all that establishes notability for me. The guideline is meant - I think - to avoid articles about someone's song promoted by that someone. Not the case here. Can we ignore the "rule", IAR? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: If that's your request, the community should have the opportunity to make that call at the proper venue – I would suggest AfD. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I thought you would understand that a song published in hundreds of books, frequently recorded, is notable, even if nobody specifically wrote about the song because it's a traditional, with no notable author or composer known. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- You are being too naive, Gerda. Do you not understand what's happening here? You may have just given theleekycauldron their win (deletion of this page) by even mentioning IAR, and as plea no less (!). Earnest but foolish. Anyway, suggest you cease from engaging this AfD-lite. Sorry I was too busy today to advise you on that. So let theleekycauldron file their AfD; don't get worn out here. El_C 08:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I admit being naive. I should have used WP:COMMONSENSE - just found out it's a redirect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- You are being too naive, Gerda. Do you not understand what's happening here? You may have just given theleekycauldron their win (deletion of this page) by even mentioning IAR, and as plea no less (!). Earnest but foolish. Anyway, suggest you cease from engaging this AfD-lite. Sorry I was too busy today to advise you on that. So let theleekycauldron file their AfD; don't get worn out here. El_C 08:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I thought you would understand that a song published in hundreds of books, frequently recorded, is notable, even if nobody specifically wrote about the song because it's a traditional, with no notable author or composer known. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: If that's your request, the community should have the opportunity to make that call at the proper venue – I would suggest AfD. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- as you say "strictly speaking". We have many articles about songs that are known in a small part of the world, used by a few people. I wrote some of them, such as Segne dieses Kind. "Hevenu shalom aleichem", however, is known by many, as the article says. Counting: "Segne dieses Kind" is part of 21 German songbooks. Hevenu shalom aleichen is part of 54 German songbooks, not counting English, French, you name it. Widely published, arranged by many, played by orchestras, ... - all that establishes notability for me. The guideline is meant - I think - to avoid articles about someone's song promoted by that someone. Not the case here. Can we ignore the "rule", IAR? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Strictly speaking: not really, no. Per WP:NSONGS, songs are
- El_C, without having the patience to read through the Hebrew in the new refs, it seems like the most you were able to squeeze out of them was short-but-impactful mentions. Do any of them go into detail about the piece or otherwise provide sigcov? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 18
Bill Dunn (Pilbara elder)
- ... that Bill Dunn, an Indigenous Australian pastoralist approaching retirement, sold his station at half-price to the Jigalong community? Source: When Robertson Range, too, became difficult for Dunn to manage, Dunn sold it at half the value to the traditional land owners, even though there were several full-price offers from non-Indigenous people wanting the station. [14]
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Improved to Good Article status by Jack4576 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:04, 19 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bill Dunn (Pilbara elder); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Jack4576: Good article. While the hook isn't that interesting on it's own, mentioning that non-Indigenous people were offering full price in the hook would make it more interesting for me to approve. Also, this isn't for DYK but is he dead? The article doesn't really explain his life past the 1980s or mention any possible death. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks User:Onegreatjoke. I don’t see how it matters whether the actual purchasers offered full price or not. What matters is that he had the option of selling it to third parties at full price, but chose instead to make an offer at half-price to the traditional owner.
- Could “was the first indigenous cattle station owner in Western Australia?” be a better alternative hook?
- The article focuses mostly on his career rather than his personal life; because that’s what’s detailed in the available sources. Yes he’s passed but it was after the publication of the book and i’ve yet to locate an obituary (or other RS) for the death date. Jack4576 (talk) 08:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Jack4576: Then the death issue is fine. though, your alternative hook suggestion would work well so I'd advise you make that into a full hook. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Onegreatjoke, I've found a location in the book where it is mentioned that non-indigenous people were in fact offering the full price. Page 70 reads: "Word quickly spread that the station was on the market. Offers came in, from neighbouring pastoralists and others willing to pay full market price. Bill, however, wanted the Jigalong people to have it. After all, it was really their parna (own country). ... So, for the "Jigalong Mob", he halved the price. It was still a problem but they found the money". Would this be sufficient? I'll add it to the article. Jack4576 (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Mattias Alexander von Ungern-Sternberg
- ... that field marshal Mattias Alexander von Ungern-Sternberg (pictured) fought on the side of the French and the Dutch, but later sided with the Caps? Source: Most easily available (in Swedish) is this though it's a bit dated; but Rosander 2003 concurs with it.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aquilegia sibirica
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Created by Yakikaki (talk). Self-nominated at 15:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mattias Alexander von Ungern-Sternberg; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment, not review: the key passages in the source provided seem to be
lämnade [Ungern-Sternberg] med vederbörlig tillåtelse svenska hären midt under Carl XII:s krig, för att först i fransk och sedan i holländsk tjänst lära sig krigets yrke. Under dessa läroår deltog han i spanska tronföljdskriget, först på fransk, sedan på holländsk, sida
and on the following pageMed anledning däraf, och särskildt som en af Mössornas hufvudmän, hvilket parti i följd af missnöjet med den eländiga krigföringen började få ökadt inflytande, kallades han att vid riksmötet 1742 emottaga landtmarskalksstafven,
, where Mössorna = the Caps. TSventon (talk) 16:43, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
New, well-written, long enough, image properly licensed. The info in the hook is apparently verified, but it does not have worldwide appeal in this form, and it doesn't seem like the implied juxtaposition is immediately apparent. I suppose that the hook means to say something along the lines of: "he had fought for the French and the Dutch, but then joined the Russophile Caps". That would be interesting, granted, but this fact would need to spelled outright in the article (and be mentioned in the sources it uses, of course). To add to the awkwardness, the article goes on to say that he never actually expressed Russophilia -- presumably, he adhered to the Caps because he agreed with the other aspects of their platform; I would also like to see this fact, namely his hesitation to express either Francophilia or Russophilia, clearly referenced, as it is not immediately apparent if the citations at the very end of that paragraph are for all the sentences before. This needs to be clarified, either way, or another hook should be suggested. Dahn (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Well, hm. I was aiming for a certain comical effect. As in, he first fought for the French and the Dutch, OK, well-known European states battling it out in Europe of the times, and then sided with – the Caps?! Who in the blazes were they? And what kind of a name is that for a faction? I thought it had quite a lot of hookiness, myself. Yakikaki (talk) 14:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe something on his rather weird one-month contribution to the Pomeranian War? Dahn (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
James B. Tapp
![James Tapp with his P-51](https://web.archive.org/web/20231003062015im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Major_Tapp_with_his_P-51.png/108px-Major_Tapp_with_his_P-51.png)
- ... that James B. Tapp (pictured) was the first American pilot to become a flying ace while flying very long range (VLR) missions over mainland Japan during World War II? Source: 'First Ace' - Brief (May 29, 1945)
Created by Toadboy123 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/James B. Tapp; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article is new enough (created August 18) and easily long enough with > 10,000 characters of text. Earwig reveals substantial similarity (> 45%) with two sources, but that is due to the fact that the article quotes directly and extensively from Tapp's citations -- I suspect this is fine since the citations are government works. The hook is interesting, but it's inaccurate insofar as it asserts that Tapp was American's first flying ace. Frederick Libby is recognized as America's first flying ace for his service in World War I. See also List of World War I flying aces from the United States. The source cited in Tapp's case asserts more narrowly that he was "the first Army ace over Japan". Cbl62 (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: My hook wanted to state that Tapp was the American to become flying ace while flying very long range (VLR) missions in the P-51 over Japan during WWII. Is there a way to edit the hook in such a way that it would be known that he was the first VLR mission ace over Japan ? Toadboy123 (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2: ...that James B. Tapp (pictured) became a flying ace while flying very long range (VLR) missions over mainland Japan during World War II? - Toadboy123 (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: My hook wanted to state that Tapp was the American to become flying ace while flying very long range (VLR) missions in the P-51 over Japan during WWII. Is there a way to edit the hook in such a way that it would be known that he was the first VLR mission ace over Japan ? Toadboy123 (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Toadboy123: What about something like alt3 ... that James B. Tapp (pictured) was the first American pilot to be recognized as a flying ace for flying very long range (VLR) missions over mainland Japan during World War II? I can't approve my own proposed hook, but if you like it, you can ask for another review to have a look. Otherwise I can approve alt 2. Whichever you prefer. Cbl62 (talk) 05:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: I prefer alt3. I am good to go with it. - Toadboy123 (talk) 11:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Based on my review, I can approve alt2, but the nominator prefers alt3 which I cam up with. Accordingly, we need another reviewer to consider alt3. Cbl62 (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can someone confirm regarding the status of the hook? I have completed the QPQ for it (Template:Did you know nominations/Bomba Patch). Toadboy123 (talk) 02:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 19
Shows of a Lost World
- ... that The Cure's Shows of a Lost World tour has become their highest-grossing tour to date, despite not making use of dynamic pricing? Source: https://www.punknews.org/article/79542/cure-demands-ticketmaster-not-use-dynamic-pricing-ticketmaster-then-doubles-processing-fees https://www.billboard.com/pro/the-cure-2023-north-american-tour-sets-career-highs/
- ALT1: ... that The Cure's Shows of a Lost World tour has become their highest-grossing tour to date? Source: https://www.billboard.com/pro/the-cure-2023-north-american-tour-sets-career-highs/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Give_Me_Your_Hand_(novel)
Created by Nathan121212 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shows of a Lost World; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Nathan121212: Good article. though I will say that the hook could probably do better with mentioning either the amount of money they made or how they clashed with ticketmaster to lower prices. Also there's a refimprove tag so what's up with that? Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
@Onegreatjoke: feel free to remove the refimprove unless you think there's a claim that needs sourcing.
For another hook maybe,
- ALT2 ...that The Cure's Shows of a Lost World] tour has grossed $37.5 million and become their highest grossing tour to date, despite refusing to use Ticketmaster's dynamic pricing?
I think my first hook is a little cleaner. Nathan121212 (talk) 08:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 20
Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha
- ... that the part of longitude 79E which pass over India consist of eight prominent Shiva temples, known as Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha, and it span over 2,383 km (1,481 mi)? Source: Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha
ALT1: ... that eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude?
ALT2: ... that eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude are known as Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha?
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Created by Omer123hussain (talk). Self-nominated at 14:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Did you know; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The hook is quite hard to understand. It's not really a hook but more of a rephrasing of the article's first line. The article also has just over 1000 characters, which is below the 1500-character minimum for DYK. If the article can be expanded further then the review can continue but if not I'm afraid the nomination will have to be failed due to ineligibility. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- The new hook is not suitable at all, not just because it's also not very hooky (see WP:Did you know/Guidelines for more information, but also because the article is still (barely) under 1500 characters. I should also point out that there's a big "orphan" tag on the article that needs to be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- Resolved Orphan tag, and expanded the article. :) Omer123hussain (talk) 08:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- The article is now above 1500 ch, and revised the hook to make it more hooky :)Omer123hussain (talk)
- Dropping a ping to Narutolovehinata5 and a possible ALT1: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1: that ... eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude?
- I Agree with "ALT1", waiting for Narutolovehinata5. :)––Omer123hussain (talk) 05:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- As Narutolovehinata5 had not responded we can proceed now. :)––Omer123hussain (talk) 07:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
The new hook isn't the greatest but I think another reviewer can take a look at this and do a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- added new alt2 Narutolovehinata5, its simple and clear to understand.
- @Omer123hussain: Pings only work if you sign the edit at the same time. Paging Narutolovehinata5. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- My apology, its my bad :)—Omer123hussain (talk) 11:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Omer123hussain: Pings only work if you sign the edit at the same time. Paging Narutolovehinata5. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- added new alt2 Narutolovehinata5, its simple and clear to understand.
- The new hook is not suitable at all, not just because it's also not very hooky (see WP:Did you know/Guidelines for more information, but also because the article is still (barely) under 1500 characters. I should also point out that there's a big "orphan" tag on the article that needs to be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
According to DYKcheck, the article is still under 1500 prose characters (1443), and will need to be expanded further. Please note that all text in the table is does not count as prose per DYK guidelines. There's no point in finding someone to do a full review as suggested above until the article is long enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: thanks for your review, I had expanded the article by adding a sectin "Legends" i hope it serves the purpose now. :)Omer123hussain (talk) 18:53, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 21
Saw E Binnya
- ... that the battle of Daybathwe ended shortly after the Myaungmya commander Saw E Binnya was assassinated by the Hanthawaddy commander Dein Mani-Yut, whom he thought was defecting to his side? Source: (Pan Hla 2005: 186)
Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 26 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Saw E Binnya; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: An inline citation is needed at the end of the first paragraph in the Career section. On the fence about whether "In a fateful decision" is encyclopedic language. I don't see in the article where it supports "shortly". Ergo Sum 21:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- Ergo Sum, thanks for the review. (1) Re: the first paragraph in the career section, the paragraph is meant to be a mini-lede/summary of what to come. Anyway, I've added a couple of citations as asked. (2) Removed "In a fateful decision" with "At any rate". (3) Re: "shortly", I've rewritten the sentence. According to the chronicle, Hanthawaddy troops charged forward, blocked the gate doors from closing, and captured the fort. No additional fighting was reported. Please review again. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ergo Sum, reminder: please review again. It's been over 3 weeks. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 00:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- The end of the first paragraph still needs an inline citation. You can take the citation inside the explanatory footnote and reproduce it at the end of the sentence, then also use it as an inline citation at the end of the sentence inside the footnote. Indeed, all four of the explanatory footnotes lack inline citations at the ends of them. Also, the article does not clearly state that the battle came to an end with the subject's death. Ergo Sum 03:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ergo Sum, I've added two additional separate inline citations in the paragraph. The additional citations are those already mentioned in the associated note. As for the citations in the notes, those already have citations. Yo seem to be looking for superscripted citations in the notes themselves. For some reason, I can't nest citations within the notes. Anyway, I'm not sure why we need nested citations. I've used this format in successful GA norms as well as dozens of DYKs. No one has ever raised the issue.
- As for the battle ending after his death, I've provided the citation that says Hanthawaddy troops got inside the fort after his death, and captured the fort. What I'm missing? Hybernator (talk) 23:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 23
Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch
- ... that Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch, an anthology of Utah women's poetry created for display at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, had hand-painted illustrations? Source: (on _Songs and Flowers_) "The Utah Board of Lady Managers tapped Emmeline B. Wells to edit an anthology of poetry written by many of Utah's leading female writers and poetesses specifically for display at the Columbian Exposition." -Reid Neilson "The Utah World's Fair Commission: The Utah Territory at the Columbian Exposition" book chapter (digital version unpaginated); "Poems are typeset and flowers are hand-painted." metadata for the digitized version of the copy in the BYU Library
Created by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 17:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Rachel Helps (BYU): Good article, but the hook isn't interesting to me. Can something else be proposed? Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:10, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review, Onegreatjoke. The significance of the book is very much "inside baseball" of Mormon studies, but I'll try for a more interesting hook. How about:
ALT 1 "... that according to Mormon women's historian Jennifer Reeder, Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch, an anthology of Utah women's poetry created for display at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, represented a "pivotal" shift in Mormon history toward a "socially-accepted American cultural and religious heritage"?"- or
ALT 2 "... that Eliza R. Snow's poem, "Invocation", which mentions the Mormon doctrine of Heavenly Mother, appears in Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch, an anthology of Utah women's poetry created for display at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition?"- I remember something about not being able to quote critics in DYK hooks, but I couldn't find the rule about it, so maybe it's not actually a rule? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Rachel Helps (BYU): While neat, these hooks are too big and pass the 200 character limit quite heavily so they will need to be shortened. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Oops, my mistake. How much context can I leave out? ALT 3 is 209 characters. ALT 4 is 129.
- ALT 3 "... that Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch represented a shift in Mormon history toward a "socially-accepted American cultural and religious heritage", according to historian Jennifer Reeder?"
- ALT 4 "... that Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch includes a poem about Heavenly Mother?"
- Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- This is a drive-by comment but I feel that ALT 4 might not be appealing much to those unfamiliar with the LDS Church's beliefs, particularly about the Heavenly Mother. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Rachel Helps (BYU): While neat, these hooks are too big and pass the 200 character limit quite heavily so they will need to be shortened. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Repeat Shoe
... that Repeat Shoe revolves around a shoe that can time travel?Source: https://chennaivision.com/repeat-shoe-movie-review/- Reviewed: 4th nomination
5x expanded by Karnataka (talk) and Neutral Fan (talk). Nominated by Karnataka (talk) at 10:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Repeat Shoe; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The article currently has a stub template, which needs to be addressed before approval. More importantly, the hook is not suitable per WP:DYKFICTION: hooks about works of fiction like movies need to have a real-world connection and not be about plot. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
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ALT1:' ... that although the title of the film is Repeat Shoe, it revolves around child trafficking, an societal issue prevalent in India?Source: https://navjeevanexpress.com/yogi-babus-shoe-thriller-comedy-audio-and-trailer-launched-with-much-fanfare/
- ALT1 seems a bit like synthesis since the article doesn't talk at all about the contrast between the title and the subject matter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- The source does. If you think this hook is okay I will add the content into the article somehow. — Karnataka talk 19:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know, I don't think it's really that "hooky" if you ask me. It's common for movie titles to not explicitly be about the subject matter. Also, the source you gave also does not give the contrast either. It mentions the film is about trafficking but it doesn't contrast it with the title, which is what I meant by "synthesis" since the hook fact would be your own opinion/your own original research, which is a no-no. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I've struck both hooks: the original for failing the real-world connection criterion, and the second for being possible synthesis. A new hook is needed here, but if none can be proposed, it may be time to close this nomination as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Plant
- ... that plants have some of the largest genomes in nature, with the wheat genome encoding about 94,000 genes, nearly five times as many as the human genome? Source: https://acsess.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3835/plantgenome2013.03.0001in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3510651/
Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by Cessaune (talk) at 03:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Plant (2nd nomination); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Hiya. Review as follows: article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced neutral and plagiarism-free. Hook is cited, but I have no idea what is it saying, as a non-expert, and it seems that readers would be more likely to click on the genome article rather than the plant article. QPQ not needed. Pamzeis (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- I am not an expert either in any way, but I figured it wasn't too technical. How should I change it? Cessaune [talk] 15:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 24
Wyethia amplexicaulis
- ... that the scenic fields of northern mule ears (Wyethia amplexicaulis) found in the western United States are sometimes a sign that an area has been overgrazed? Source: [1][2]
- ALT1: ... that though northern mule ears (Wyethia amplexicaulis) is a modest sized wildflower its taproot can reach 1.8 meters (6 feet) into the ground? Source: [3]
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Created by MtBotany (talk). Self-nominated at 18:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wyethia amplexicaulis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Everything is good, but I don't think that the addition of both the generic and scientific name is neccessary, and it creates unnecessary clutter/adds length. The same thing could be accomplished by simply dropping the scientific name entirely. Also, I would only recommend that the image be used if the main nom goes through and not ALT1. Cessaune [talk] 02:48, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ Jankovsky-Jones, Mabel.; Jankovsky-Jones, Mabel; Murphy, Chris; Coulter, Cyndi; Moseley, Robert K. (2001). Riparian and Wetland Plant Associations of Southwestern Idaho : With a Focus on the Bureau of Land Management's Lower Snake River District. U.S. Dept. of the Interior, Bureau of Land Management, National Science and Technology Center, Information and Communications Group. pp. 167–168. Retrieved 23 August 2023.
- ^ Mueggler, W. F.; Campbell, Robert B. (1982). Aspen Community Types on the Caribou and Targhee National Forests in Southeastern Idaho. Ogden, Utah: U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, Forest Service, Intermountain Forest and Range Experiment Station. pp. 18–19.
- ^ Weaver, John Ernest (1917). A Study of the Vegetation of Southeastern Washington and Adjacent Idaho. Lincoln, Nebraska: University of Nebraska. pp. 106–107. Retrieved 23 August 2023.
Lindsey Halligan
- ... that before Lindsey Halligan became a lawyer in a criminal matter, she was an insurance lawyer? Source: https://www.salon.com/2022/08/17/everyones-saying-no-hires-florida-insurance-lawyer-as-top-attorneys-refuse-to-work-for-him/
Created by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:CCC9:7E7B:26A9:1834 (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 19:51, 24 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lindsey Halligan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- The alt0 hook is kind of boring IMO (lawyer practices insurance and criminal law) and hides the key fact that makes her interesting. I'd suggest the following alt:
- alt1 ... that attorney Lindsey Halligan handled residential and commercial insurance claims before joining Donald Trump's criminal defense team? Cbl62 (talk) 02:21, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- Cb162 - I wrote the original hook. I'm fine with either. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:41E3:B4CF:4CBB:9BA2 (talk) 07:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Full review needed now that an ALT hook has been suggested. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: The Daily Beast should be used with caution. Given that this is an BLP, and the sentences about the roof cases are sourced only to The Daily Beast, I think you should look for further sources that cover that information or consider removing it. Fox News is not reliable on politics, but links to a video used as the source of the quote about the jugular (which it does verify) so I'm fine with it. I'm not sure why that sentence about the jugular is also sourced to the Newsweek article, as I can't find the quote there?
If you retain the sentences about the roof case, you should rephrase, as it lights up on Earwig as a bit too similar.
Alt1 is definitely an improvement on the earlier ones. There's enough issues for me to mark this maybe, but nothing that's difficult to fix. DrThneed (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 25
Kessel Run
![Kessel Run logo](https://web.archive.org/web/20231003062015im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Kessel_Run_logo.jpg/140px-Kessel_Run_logo.jpg)
- ... that Kessel Run (logo pictured) began by replacing the Thumper, the Gonker, and the Gonkulator? Source: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1009063340 "There's a Thumper who's in charge of creating the master air attack planning tool kit. And there's a Gonker who enters the data into a spreadsheet called... The gonkulator"; https://www.fastcompany.com/40588729/the-air-force-learned-to-code-and-saved-the-pentagon-millions corrects the articles to "the" and the capitalization of the last word.
- ALT1: ... that Kessel Run inspired Kobayashi Maru? Source: https://www.airandspaceforces.com/Kessel-Runs-Success-Spurs-Two-New-Software-Coding-Teams/ "More software-coding teams are popping up around the Air Force to build on the success of Kessel Run in Boston, the service’s acquisition executive said Friday....“We just stood up our second,” he said of Kobayashi Maru. "
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Freedomland U.S.A.
- Comment: CoI note.
Created by GRuban (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kessel Run; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Making this clear to any reviewer since the comment is somewhat easy to miss: the nominator is currently employed by the subject. More information can be read at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Note on similar case. The outcome of the nomination will be left to consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 26
In Eutropium
- ... that the ancient Roman poem In Eutropium criticized the politician Eutropius for holding an effeminate triumph? Source: Tougher, Shaun (2015-01-01), "Eunuchs in the East, Men in the West? Dis/unity, Gender and Orientalism in the Fourth Century", East and West in the Roman Empire of the Fourth Century, Brill, pp. 147–163, ISBN 978-90-04-29193-5, retrieved 2023-08-12
Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 19:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/In Eutropium; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Graearms: Good article, but I feel as if the massive multi page references kind of hamper the article a bit. Just to take the hook for example, the hook is sourced to a page count of 16, making it hard to find the hook in the citation. So i'd prefer if more specific page numbers can be used for the citation. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:53, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: I edited the citations significantly. I added page numbers to one citation which previously lacked them, I specified the page numbers for one citation (previously it cited pages 33-54 when it really only cited page 36), I used the rp template to specify the page or pages being referenced each time one citation was used, and I added a reference by the hook in the article. These changes should address most of your concerns. Graearms (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- I edited the citations a little bit more, now everything should have more specific page numbers. Graearms (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Graearms, Onegreatjoke, and Vaticidalprophet:
I couldn't resolve some concerns I had about context and SYNTH, so I've pulled this nomination out of prep for now. Any ideas on resolving the questions? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Sorry for the delayed response. I have made some edits to the article which should address some of your criticisms. Now the hook sentence in the article should have a reputable academic secondary source next to it. The source I used to find the information originally was not the poem itself, it was the cited secondary source from DeGruyter.
- @Graearms, Onegreatjoke, and Vaticidalprophet:
- In the original source it was stated: "no testimony other than Claudian’s verses (Eutr. 1.254–271) tells us about a despicable triumph in Constantinople, where Eutropius is said to have acted like an old dame who travelled far to see her daughter-in-law (arida socrus / longinquam visura nurum, ll. 269–270)." Another quote from the source was: "Furthermore, after describing Eutropius’ “feminine” triumph in Constantinople." I stated in the article that Eutropius was criticized for holding an effeminate triumph due to the usage of the word "feminine" in the article.
- If you would prefer an alternative hook that does not state that the criticism was exclusively based on perceived effeminacy I would suggest: * ALT1: ... that the Roman poem In Eutropium criticized the politician Eutropius for acting like an old dame during his triumph triumph? Source: Tougher, Shaun (2015-01-01), "Eunuchs in the East, Men in the West? Dis/unity, Gender and Orientalism in the Fourth Century", East and West in the Roman Empire of the Fourth Century, Brill, pp. 147–163, ISBN 978-90-04-29193-5, retrieved 2023-08-12 Graearms (talk) 22:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
No Highs
- ... that the album No Highs is a response to the "corporate" ambient music of streaming services? Source: https://www.allmusic.com/album/no-highs-mw0003923785
Created by PerfectSoundWhatever (talk). Self-nominated at 03:44, 27 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/No Highs; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 01:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- This source should work. Will post QPQ by today. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 22:39, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever: It's been over a week since the above comment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, now done: Template:Did you know nominations/Decarbonization of shipping. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 18:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever:
The new source to verify the hook is good. QPQ has been done. Needs second reviewer to verify that nomination is good. Break a leg.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 21:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever:
- Sorry about that, now done: Template:Did you know nominations/Decarbonization of shipping. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 18:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever: It's been over a week since the above comment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 27
Draken (roller coaster)
- ... that Draken (pictured) is the tallest, fastest, and tied for the steepest roller coaster in South Korea? Source: https://rcdb.com/rhr.htm?m=1&l=26572 (tallest), https://www.ceoscoredaily.com//page/view/2023071214531006861 (fastest), https://rcdb.com/rhr.htm?m=5&l=26572 (steepest)
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- Comment: QPQ not needed - this is my 4th DYK nomination. I worked on this in my own userspace for a while before publishing it.
Created by Prodraxis (talk). Self-nominated at 22:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Draken (roller coaster); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- noting that the previous hook was ... that Draken (pictured) is the tallest, fastest and steepest roller coaster in South Korea?...has been changed since then, see below. Tails Wx 23:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Prodraxis, good work! Recently created, no copyvio issues, sufficient length, well-sourced, hook mentioned in article, QPQ not needed as stated above. The only issue I have is that Draken is tied with Giant Splash in Busan per the "steepest" source. Can the hook be changed to mention that? Tails Wx 22:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Tails Wx: I'd prefer not to add the bit about Giant Splash or the steepness because Giant Splash does not have an article yet (perhaps I can write it sometime later....) Normally in hooks like this Giant Splash would be wikilinked but I feel like it would be kinda... off not to wikilink Giant Splash and I don't want a redlink appearing on the main page either. What about
- ... that Draken (pictured) is the tallest and fastest roller coaster in South Korea?
#prodraxis connect 22:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- We could also do:
- ...that Draken (pictured) is the tallest, fastest, and tied for the steepest roller coaster in South Korea?
Tails Wx 22:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- Great idea! I like this hook. #prodraxis connect 22:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- To another reviewer:hook above agreed on. Tails Wx 22:58, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
@Tails Wx and Prodraxis: Nice job on the hook. Now, the article needs to be updated to match the hook and the cited sources, or else it can't appear on the main page. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:43, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Done Updated the article to include the bit about Giant Digger. #prodraxis connect 22:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: @Tails Wx: Looks like this has stalled for a while..... #prodraxis connect 19:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
2023 Chicago Marathon
alt0: ... that the two second-fastest marathoners ever are scheduled to run in today's Chicago Marathon?date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
alt0a: ... that both the second-fastest male marathoner ever and the second-fastest female marathoner ever are scheduled to run in today's Chicago Marathon?date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
sources:[1]https://archive.today/20230827231327/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a44632887/2023-chicago-marathon-full-fields/Chicago Marathon, to be held on October 8 ... defending champion Benson Kipruto of Kenya ... will be challenged by Kelvin Kiptum, also of Kenya, who is the second-fastest man in history. ... On the women's side [is] Ruth Chepngetich of Kenya, who just missed the world record at Chicago last year .... [links removed][2]https://archive.today/20230827231305/https://www.worldathletics.org/news/report/chicago-marathon-2022-chepngetich-kiprutoChepngetich ... held on to finish in 2:14:18, the second-fastest time in history.- alt1: ... that one runner of today's Chicago Marathon will be the Chicago Marathon's millionth finisher?
date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
source: https://archive.today/20230827231342/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a42200126/chicago-marathon-field-2023/ one of the 2023 participants will cross the finish line as the Chicago Marathon's significant one-millionth finisher- reviewed: hotel normandie (new york city)
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in alt0, the two runners being referred to are kelvin kiptum, the second fastest male marathoner ever, and ruth chepng'etich, the second fastest female marathoner ever. "the two second-fastest marathoners ever" is admittedly an unusual way to word this. i thought it was somewhat quirky and avoids a bit of redundancy, but have also added alt0a if the wording seems inappropriate. i think the two second-fastest wheelchair marathoners ever are also planning to compete, but i haven't found reliable sources to support this yet.also,i believe i have coded the hooksso that the tenseswill correctly update during the day of the race. i believe the race is scheduled to start at 12:30 utc, so the winners are first runner is likely to finish sometime between 14:30 and 14:35. i don't know when exactly the millionth finisher will finish the race, but it looks like it will take around 90 minutes for everyone to start the race, and the average marathon finish time is around 04:30 (four and a half hours), so i am using a finish time estimate of 17:45. also, the code for the hooks should replace "today's" with "the 2023" once the day is over (where "2023" is part of the link text, and "the" is not).- update: welp, it looks like tigst assefa just destroyed the world record last weekend at berlin, making alt0 and alt0a no longer true, so i am striking them. (i think this is probably the best reason i have ever had for striking a hook.) alt1 remains valid. also, i have since learned from this source that more than 960,000 runners have finished the chicago marathon so far, and more than 47,000 are scheduled to run this year, so am adjusting my estimated finish time of the millionth finisher to 18:45 utc, based on the results of runners who finished in the 15th percentile last year, as seen here.i have also updated the {{DYK date request}} template. if you approve of the date request, please replace "approved=no" with "approved=yes". you can also use the optional "approvedby" parameter if you wish.i declare that i am not aware of having any conflict of interest with the 2023 chicago marathon.
created by dying (talk). self-nominated at 23:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC). [copyedited and added quotes. dying (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)] [struck alt0 and alt0a, and updated alt1 and comments. dying (talk) 21:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)]
William Sharpington
- ... that William Sharpington and his workshop designed public lettering in post-war Britain? Source: Nash 2002: his "workshop produced some of the more distinguished examples of public lettering in the London area...boards for schools and immunisation clinics throughout Greater London", Nash/Fleuss p. 131 "produced, from the 40s to the 60s, some of the most distinguished public lettering in England" (can be viewed on Internet Archive with registration), The Art of Remembering, Michael Renton "studied lettering with William Sharpington (well-known for his brush lettering)", Oliver p. 916 "W. H. Sharpington who specializes in painted lettering of fine quality", also British Library "the 1939-45 parts [of the war memorial] are by W. H. Sharpington", Getty Images, 1951 "Mr W. Sharpington begins work on a memorial inscription at the Adelphi".
Created by Blythwood (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 2 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William Sharpington; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Hi Blythwood (talk), nice article on an interesting subject, review follows: article created 27 August and exceeds minimum length; article is well written; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spot check on the sources I could access, Earwig only picks up an attributed quote; the hook fact is fine but is a little mundane, is there something else to be said? Perhaps a description of his "notably classical" style or the fact that much of his work is now lost? - Dumelow (talk) 21:47, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Without pinging, just to say that I'm still thinking through an alternative hook and should have a reply soon. Blythwood (talk) 00:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Dumelow, I've been thinking and decided that I'd prefer to keep the original hook if that's OK. My reasons are that I don't think there's a simple term for the style he worked in. ("Classical" nails the feel of timelessness his work was going for but isn't an real one-word summary, the Romans didn't use lower case, "neo-Renaissance" might be nearer the mark.) And going with the idea that much of his work is now lost for me makes the hook a bit depressing and like there's no point in looking at the article-plenty of his work survives and the article has photographs of it. I'd like to keep the original hook. Blythwood (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Without pinging, just to say that I'm still thinking through an alternative hook and should have a reply soon. Blythwood (talk) 00:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Sam Solomon
- ... that a former Muslim has claimed that Muslim immigration is an Islamic strategy, based on the hijra? Source: Based on his book, implicit in the title Modern Day Trojan Horse: Al-Hijra, the Islamic Doctrine of Immigration, Accepting Freedom or Imposing Islam? Sources describing it [15], [16]
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Created by Thismess (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sam Solomon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on August 28
Ophidascaris robertsi
- ... that a woman was diagnosed with a rare lung infection when she actually had a roundworm in her brain? Source: [17]
- ALT1: ... that in June 2022, a neurosurgeon found a roundworm in someone's brain? Source: [18]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Plant (2nd nomination)
Created by Axl (talk). Nominated by Pamzeis (talk) at 11:58, 2 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ophidascaris robertsi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- I'd like to suggest specifying that the worm was 8 centimeters long. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
It should be clarified that the species is not a true worm in the biology sense (eg an Annelida), but a parasitic member of the roundworms (Nematoda)--Kevmin § 14:04, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Additionally there is are only about 4 lines of prose on the species itself, while the majority of the article is on the medical case, so I'm reluctant to run with this article in its current state.--Kevmin § 14:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hiya, Kevmin! Thanks for the review :) So, I've changed "worm" to "roundworm". (IDK if it resolves the issue; I have absolutely no knowledge about this topic.) I think the second point is more of a GA issue, since the information about the medical case is still encyclopaedic, but I'll see what I can do about it. (Again, I have absolutely no knowledge on this topic so bear with me.) Pamzeis (talk) 14:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- OK, so I've added a bit of content, but due to my lack of technical knowledge on this subject area, I don't think I can add anymore (even the bits I did add I don't really understand well). Would ya mind letting me know if it's sufficient? Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 13:29, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Mario Party DS
- ... that Mario Party DS was the last game in the series to be developed by Hudson Soft, as all subsequent titles have been developed by NDcube? Source: https://www.nintendolife.com/games/browse?title=series%3Amario-party
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- Comment: This article was promoted to GA status on 8/28/2023. I can shorten this hook or make any other revisions if needed.
Improved to Good Article status by The Green Star Collector (talk). Self-nominated at 00:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mario Party DS; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @The Green Star Collector: Good article, but
- "Mario Party DS was succeeded by Mario Party 9 for the Wii in 2012. The game was rereleased on the Virtual Console for the Wii U in 2016."
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- "By September 2015, Mario Party DS had sold over 9 million units worldwide, making it the eleventh best-selling game for the Nintendo DS."
Don't seem to be verified by their citations. I also can't find what verifies the hook nor what verifies what citation 19 cites but maybe that's just me being dumb. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Was planning to review this so I'll just leave this as a comment. I have to disagree with OGJ here that the original hook is interesting. Well, it probably is to video game fans like myself who may be familiar with Hudson Soft, but for people not into video games, it's not really that interesting. Are there any other possible options here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 29
Lessons in Chemistry (novel)
- ... that while writing Lessons in Chemistry, the author, Bonnie Garmus, attempted experiments from The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments? Source: "trying some experiments from a decades-old textbook, 'The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments.'"
- ALT1: ... that while writing Lessons in Chemistry, the author self studied chemistry and was a full-time copywriter? Source: "...she kept her full-time copywriting job, and taught herself chemistry"
- Reviewed: No QPQ needed, 2nd DYK
Created by Justiyaya (talk). Self-nominated at 01:13, 4 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lessons in Chemistry (novel); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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- missing a plot section.
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Overall: @Justiyaya: Good article. However, i'm not going to approve the article due to a lack of a plot section that I feel the article needs. So adding it would be appreciated. Also the bold link in alt1 isn't correct. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hook fixed, have written a summary but is a bit too long (850 words), I'll try to trim it down tomorrow Justiyaya 04:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Done! sorry that took me a decent while Justiyaya 05:21, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Sylvain Itté
- ... that Sylvain Itté, the French ambassador to Niger, was given 48 hours to leave the country by the National Council for the Safeguard of the Homeland but so far has not left?
- Reviewed: To come
- Comment: Alternative hooks welcome
Created by Thriley (talk) and Yeoutie (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 04:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sylvain Itté; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
QPQ still needed. Article is new enough and long enough. Is it agreed-upon that Itté was in fact told to leave? I got the impression that there was a bit of confusion/misinformation about it. Is this a reliable source for a BLP? #2 and #7 say that he was appointed to the Niger ambassadorship in September not October. Didn't notice any copyvio or plagiarism. The infobox needs referencing. The hook isn't supported by anything in the article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Thriley: A QPQ is still required to promote this hook. Z1720 (talk) 15:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus and Z1720: It's been quite a while: have the issues been addressed? The QPQ thing also needs to be addressed so if there are still issues and a QPQ has not been provided this may have to be failed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: If @Thriley: does not provide a QPQ by Oct 1, this can be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 12:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
QPQ was not given in time despite multiple pings. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: If @Thriley: does not provide a QPQ by Oct 1, this can be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 12:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
The Hustler (novel)
- ... that Walter Tevis, author of the novel The Hustler, always insisted that the "Minnesota Fats" and "Fast Eddie" characters were fictitious, denying claims to the contrary?
"Sources: https://brickmag.com/an-interview-with-walter-tevis/ "A lot of people ask me, 'When did you first meet Minnesota Fats?' And I feel like Walt Disney being asked, 'When did you meet Donald Duck?' Come on, I made him up." https://books.google.com/books?id=OMc7Zcxrf3MC&pg=PA169&dq=fats+and+eddie+were+works+of+fiction&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb7tXG_4SBAxXUnYkEHahSAzAQ6AF6BAgKEAI#v=onepage&q=fats%20and%20eddie%20were%20works%20of%20fiction&f=false "Tevis always swore that Fats and Eddie were works of fiction..."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Borough Hall/Court Street station
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I note that this fails DYK check for some reason; however article expansion began on Aug. 27 and exceeds 5X when comparing the character count of the Aug 29 version with the pre-expansion version 25 Sept 2022Now passes DYK check
5x expanded by Coretheapple (talk). Self-nominated at 00:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Hustler (novel); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment: This would be better as "... denying claims to the contrary?", since there is one and only one notable claim to the contrary, and people will want to know about it in the context, which kind of begs it. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:28, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed. Coretheapple (talk) 14:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Please note that I am expanding the hook to include Fast Eddie. Seems logical to include that as both characters were claimed by pool players. Having done so, it is hard to include hyperlinks for both persons because of space constraints so have removed the one for the Fats character, but of course they are both in the article. Coretheapple (talk) 19:36, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed. Coretheapple (talk) 14:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Native Island
- ... that nine dogs from Native Island who were originally used in the Southern Cross Expedition in 1899–1900 were also used in the expedition of Ernest Shackleton of 1907–1909? Source: https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/features/300466183/southland-supplied-shackleton-expedition-dogs
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Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 04:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Native Island; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
New and long enough, within policy, no copyvios found by Earwig. No QPQ needed - this is the user's third DYK. Correctly formatted and concise, possibly could be slightly more concise, link is correct and interesting. I might prefer an alternative:
... that nine dogs from New Zealand's Native Island were used in both the Southern Cross Expedition in 1899-1900 and the Ernest Shackleton expedition of 1907–09? but I don't see any major problems here. SportingFlyer T·C 14:24, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
@Panamitsu and SportingFlyer: The hook doesn't match what it says in the article (which says they were nine descendants, not the original dogs). Also not sure where "nine descendants" came from, as I can't find it in the source cited at the end of that sentence. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- How about ALT1: ... that nine Samoyed dogs from New Zealand's Native Island were used in Ernest Shackleton's 1907–09 expedition to the south pole? SportingFlyer T·C 23:48, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: The source for the 'descendents' part is here, although you need to find Native Island on the map to find it.
Anglo-Norwegian polar explorer Carsten Egeberg Borchgrevink (1864 –1934), released his Siberian sled dogs on Native Island on the return voyage of his 1899-1900 expedition. In preparation for his 1907-1909 expedition, Ernest Shackleton purchased from a breeder in Stewart Island nine sled dogs descended from those released by Borchgrevink seven years earlier.
- @SportingFlyer: Thanks for the ALT hook. I have altered the inadvertant redlink to "samoyeds" in ALT1 above. I have also added the text from the block quote to the footnote in the article. I still don't feel good about this nomination, as the paragraph about the dogs isn't entirely consistent with the quote about Borchgrevink. For example, there's no reference in the article to Borchgrevink or his return trip. Surely the dogs that did make it on the expedition cleared quarantine? Perhaps you could find a better source that explains the whole story instead of overrelying on newspaper articles. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: Apologies, I misread your comment. I agree with you that my nomination is wrong and it is the descendents rather than the original dogs. How about ALT2: "...that nine descendents of the Samoyed dogs used in the 1899–1900 expedition to the south pole (who were dropped off to Native Island) were used in the expedition of Ernest Shackleton of 1907–1909?" I think it is much more accurate, but I'm not sure if my wording makes clear enough that it was the original dogs dropped off to Native Island rather than the descendents. Panamitsu (talk) 05:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: problem with ALT2 is that the sentence is a bit of a mess trying to get everything conveyed... how about ALT3: ...that New Zealand's Native Island hosted a colony of samoyeds and huskies used in both the Southern Cross and Nimrod expeditions to the South Pole?
- That needs a bit of editing as well I think but it's a bit cleaner. SportingFlyer T·C 08:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SportingFlyer: Agreed. I support ALT3. Panamitsu (talk) 23:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: Apologies, I misread your comment. I agree with you that my nomination is wrong and it is the descendents rather than the original dogs. How about ALT2: "...that nine descendents of the Samoyed dogs used in the 1899–1900 expedition to the south pole (who were dropped off to Native Island) were used in the expedition of Ernest Shackleton of 1907–1909?" I think it is much more accurate, but I'm not sure if my wording makes clear enough that it was the original dogs dropped off to Native Island rather than the descendents. Panamitsu (talk) 05:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SportingFlyer: Thanks for the ALT hook. I have altered the inadvertant redlink to "samoyeds" in ALT1 above. I have also added the text from the block quote to the footnote in the article. I still don't feel good about this nomination, as the paragraph about the dogs isn't entirely consistent with the quote about Borchgrevink. For example, there's no reference in the article to Borchgrevink or his return trip. Surely the dogs that did make it on the expedition cleared quarantine? Perhaps you could find a better source that explains the whole story instead of overrelying on newspaper articles. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
This needs a new reviewer for ALT3. Z1720 (talk) 15:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 30
Jimmie Rodgers
- ... that Jimmie Rodgers (pictured) is considered the "Father of Country Music"? Source: https://www.countrymusichalloffame.org/hall-of-fame/jimmie-rodgershttps://www.rockhall.com/inductees/jimmie-rodgers
- ALT1: ... that during his last recording session Jimmie Rodgers (pictured), who suffered of tuberculosis, had to lay on a cot between takes? Source: https://archive.org/details/jimmierodgerslif00port/page/352/mode/2up?q=cotPorterfield, Nolan (2007). Jimmie Rodgers: TheLife and Times of America's Blue Yodeler. University Press of Mississippi. pp. 352–353. ISBN 978-1-604-73160-6.
- ALT2: ... that the recordings of Jimmie Rodgers (pictured) were popular in African countries including South Africa and Zimbabwe? Source: Nunn, Erich (2015). Sounding the Color Line: Music and Race in the Southern Imagination. University of Georgia Press. pp. 70–71. ISBN 978-0-820-34736-3.Turino, Thomas (2000). Nationalists, cosmopolitans, and popular music in Zimbabwe. University of Chicago Press. p. 235. ISBN 978-0-226-81701-9.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Barney
Improved to Good Article status by GDuwen (talk). Self-nominated at 17:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jimmie Rodgers; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @GDuwen: Good article.
AGF on sources I can't access. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:39, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
@GDuwen, AirshipJungleman29, Onegreatjoke, Therapyisgood, Schwede66, BennyOnTheLoose, and Firefangledfeathers: given that the issues raised at WP:ERRORS and also at Talk:Jimmie Rodgers haven't been addressed yet, and it was about to hit the queues again, I'm now reopening this. Personally I do think the number of fair use music clips needs to be reduced drastically before go-live and also they shouldn't be used in multiple locations. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 20:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Agree, let's just focus the discussion on the article's talk page.--GDuwenHoller! 18:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 31
Maurice Duplessis
- ... that after ending the Liberal Party's 39-year grip over the province and forcing its long-term premier to resign, Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis went on to win five out of six elections before he died? Source: Length of reign: Saint-Aubin, p. 120, Black, p. 59, 97 - see Books section for full titles5/6 elections: won 1936, 1944, 1948, 1952, 1956, lost 1939
- ALT1: ... that Quebec politicians generally avoid referring to their policies as harkening to Maurice Duplessis because they fear being ridiculed and may be insulted by such comparison? Source: https://muse.jhu.edu/article/743150, https://reviewcanada.ca/magazine/2021/06/alive-and-kicking/
- ALT2: ... that even though the Legislative Assembly of Quebec ordered a monument of Maurice Duplessis in front of its building, later premiers hid it until 1977 to "avoid political tensions"? Source: Gélinas, Ferretti & Bédard 2010, p. 389-396
- ALT3: ... that Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis's policies were found to be similar to a list as diverse as Huey Long, Putin, McCarthy, Perón, de Valera, Joh Bjelke-Petersen and current premier François Legault? Source: See "Attempts at comparison" section - there are 6 or so sources to list.
- Reviewed: User:Szmenderowiecki/Sort_of_recognised_contributions
- Comment: Refer to my userpage for fulfilling QPQ criteria.
Created by Szmenderowiecki (talk). Self-nominated at 12:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Maurice Duplessis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
@Szmenderowiecki: After looking at User:Szmenderowiecki/Sort_of_recognised_contributions, it is not clear which of your DYK reviews you are claiming for this article. This is especially made difficult because the "Submitted my humble opinion" section lists DYK nominations, PRs, and GAN reviews. Please wikilink to the specific nomination that you are using as a QPQ for this nomination. Z1720 (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't wan't to claim one review the second time. I reformatted the section to make clear what is DYK, what is a peer review or a good article.
- Choose any - the whole point of QPQ is that you have roughly the same number of DYK reviews as DYKs, and I have more. If you still insist, I dunno, chhose the last one from the list. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Kathanar - The Wild Sorcerer
... that Kathanar - The Wild Sorcerer traces the life of Kadamattathu Kathanar, a legendary 9th-century Christian priest endowed with magical powers?Source: https://www.cinemaexpress.com/malayalam/news/2023/jun/02/kathanar-team-completes-first-schedule-44168.html
Created by Jupitus Smart (talk). Self-nominated at 12:12, 1 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kathanar - The Wild Sorcerer; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- @Jupitus Smart: I'm afraid the suggested hook doesn't really work – DYK hooks can't only be about the plot of a work of fiction. Could another hook be found? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: How about this
- ... that Kathanar - The Wild Sorcerer is being shot on a custom-built studio spanning 45,000 square feet, utilizing the virtual production technology? Source: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/news/rojin-thomas-on-kathanar-the-wild-sorcerer-it-is-a-film-that-promises-to-transport-audiences-to-otherworldly-dimensions/articleshow/99287292.cms
Articles created/expanded on September 1
Helen O'Brien, Eve (nightclub)
- ... that Helen O'Brien fled the communists in her native Romania and founded the most daring nightclub in London, where she worked as a spy for MI5 and MI6? Source: "...fervent anti-Communist who had fled her native Romania after the war...In its day it was the most daring show in the West End...was so useful that she had not one but a team of handlers from MI5 and MI6."
- Reviewed: Vladimír Mandl and Waitomo Big Apple
Created by Edwardx (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 21:14, 8 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Helen O'Brien; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article qualifies, but "the communists" in the hook could do with being clarified (communist government?) and the source says "the most daring show", which is slightly different from the most daring nightclub. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Two hooks requires two DYK QPQ reviews. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:15, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Edwardx: The 2nd QPQ is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- done. @Edwardx: please respond to rest of queries. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Siege (Roman history)
![Reconstruction of the fortifications of Caesar's army at Alesia](https://web.archive.org/web/20231003062015im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Archeodrome_Beaune_8.jpg/162px-Archeodrome_Beaune_8.jpg)
- ... that the reality of Roman Siege (pictured) is accompanied with pitched battles? Source: "The Gallic strategy of 52 BC was based on a scorched-earth policy, hit-and-run tactics to cut the Romans off from their supplies, and an avoidance of pitched battle. It failed because of the Romans' skill in siege warfare." Gilliver, Catherine (2003). Caesar's Gallic wars, 58–50 BC. New York: Routledge. p. 86. ISBN 978-0-203-49484-4. OCLC 57577646
Created by Manoru007 (talk). Nominated by JeBonSer (talk) at 11:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Siege (Roman history); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Your hook makes no sense. Please propose another hook. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1: Did you know that siege warfare (pictured) was a common tactic used by the Romans during their conquest in all parts of the Mediterranean region? Source: G.Cascarino, L'esercito romano. Armamento e organizzazione, Vol. II - Da Augusto ai Severi, p.265.</ref> JeBonSer (talk | sign) 05:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Frank (company)
- ... that student-aid startup Frank claimed to have 4.25 million users, but in reality, had fewer than 300,000? Source: “ But, the lawsuit alleges, when JPMorgan asked Javice for proof that she had more than 4 million customers, she at first pushed back, claiming she couldn't share the names due to privacy issues. Frank in fact had fewer than 300,000 customer accounts, the suit claims.” CBS News
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eternal Blue (album)
- Comment: Alternate hooks welcome.
Created by Thriley (talk) and Justwatchmee (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 21:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Frank (company); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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- 300,000 number comes from a lawsuit. Language like "it is alleged" or "allegedly" should be added somewhere in the hook.
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Overall: Fix the problem with the wording hook and we're good to go! Mottezen (talk) 22:05, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1: that student-aid startup Frank claimed to have 4.25 million users, but is alleged to have had fewer than 300,000? Thriley (talk) 01:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2: that student-aid startup Frank purchased a list of 4.5 million student names from a marketing firm to inflate its user count? Thriley (talk) 01:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 2
Sommer Ray
- ... that influencer Sommer Ray turned down an estimated $40 million USD for refusing to join OnlyFans? Source: https://www.outkick.com/instagram-model-sommer-ray-turned-down-40-million-by-refusing-to-join-onlyfans/
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Created by InvadingInvader (talk). Self-nominated at 15:25, 2 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sommer Ray; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Awaiting QPQ; sufficient blurb. OnlyFans should be linked. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:35, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @ElijahPepe: Both
Done; courtesy ping. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 03:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- @ElijahPepe: Both
InvadingInvader, I've been wanting to promote this one, but I'm not sure if it's quite right. The hook is phrased in a way that implies it's much more certain she'd make that much than the article/source supports. Something like "refused to join OnlyFans despite estimates she'd make x money" seems less likely to cause an ERRORS argument? Vaticidalprophet 10:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'd be willing to accept an alternative hook with that pattern. Feel free to propose one! InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- So, in the abstract, this could be restructured as...
- ALT0a: ... that Sommer Ray refused to join OnlyFans despite estimates she could make as much as $40 million?
- Having said that -- looking at the source, I don't think it's good enough for the statement (
In that time, with COVID — someone was saying I could have made $40 million or something like that
). It might be good for this to workshop a new hook at DYKN. Paging Theleekycauldron fordoing the annoying retransclusion bitpotential new hooks? Vaticidalprophet 18:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)- I personally think it could work. If you really want another hook, here's a similar potential version:
- Alt 0b' – DYK that influencer Sommer Ray has not joined OnlyFans despite estimates that she could have made $40 million USD from the platform?
- InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 01:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
The trouble is with the statement itself. I've retranscluded this at DYK, because it needs rehooking from a different part of the article. This was the source used for the statement:
During an April 13 podcast with YouTuber George Janko, Ray revealed that she’d actually been advised to make an OnlyFans account to jump on the gravy train… but she ended up turning it down. "At that time it was like, every single person in my life was coming to me and telling me, "If you don’t start an OnlyFans, you’re stupid,'" she explained. "The money I could make would be insane. In that time, with COVID — someone was saying I could have made $40 million or something like that."
- This isn't good enough to support a hook stating it uncritically. It's not a serious "estimate" -- it's a grapevine retelling of "someone" in a Youtube video, repeated in a questionable source.Even more problematic now is that the article has been cut in half between the reviewed revision and the present one, and amongst other things 1. no longer includes that source and 2. has a cleanup tag. This needs looking at again. Vaticidalprophet 07:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- I personally think it could work. If you really want another hook, here's a similar potential version:
- So, in the abstract, this could be restructured as...
From the article, not having vetted the claims:
- ALT1: ... that Instagram influencer Sommer Ray has turned down multiple offers of free plastic surgery?
Also, as I expressed at Template:Did you know nominations/Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele), I feel that this nomination has not received full review and requires a new one. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Michigan prosecution of fake electors
... that initial plans called for the Michigan fake electors to hide overnight in the Michigan State Capitol? Source: "Cox described how some Michigan Republicans considered hiding Trump electors overnight in the state capitol to make sure they could gain access to the building when it came time to meet. She testified that she thought the idea was 'insane and inappropriate' and helped make sure it did not happen." [19]
Moved to mainspace by Antony-22 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Michigan prosecution of fake electors; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment Seriously, have we sunk to the level of where we present statements made by prosecutors in ongoing investigations as facts? Dahn (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- The statement was made by Michigan Republican Party chair Laura Cox to House investigators and reported by the Washington Post. It doesn't come from prosecutors and appears to not even be included in the indictment. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 03:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
It is a claim, not a fact; it is made in the context of an ongoing investigation; and, what is more, it is made about living persons. We don't abandon those standards just because it is about a case involving Trump. In fact, the entire article needs to be reworded to distinguish verified facts from claims made by this and that alleged participant. Dahn (talk) 13:26, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps an "according to" phrase could be added to the hook. But everything in the article itself is cited to a reliable news source; the indictment itself is not used as a source at all. There is no controversy that most of these events happened, though the judicial process will decide whether or not they are crimes. If you have specific sentences in the article that could benefit from an "according to" clarification, please let me know. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 19:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Dahn: I've made some edits to qualify or remove some statements where it seemed appropriate. Also, here are alternate hooks. Let me know if you find anything else. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:17, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that initial plans called for the Michigan fake electors to hide overnight in the Michigan State Capitol, according to Michigan Republican Party chair Laura Cox?ALT2: ... that Michigan Republican Party chair Laura Cox said that she opposed plans for the Michigan fake electors to hide overnight in the Michigan State Capitol?
Full review needed. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Antony-22: part of the problem, as I see it, is that you are relying on the secondary sources to report this information accurately. As is often the case, the media tends to shorten, paraphrase, and rewrite the original story to make it more palatable for general readers and viewers. In this case, I think it would be instructive to go back to the Jan 6 final report and see how the story was altered for presentation. When you do this, you find the following on p. 354:
"Former Michigan GOP Chair Laura Cox told the Select Committee that an attorney who "said he was working with the President’s Campaign" informed her that the Michigan slate for President Trump was "planning to meet in the capit[o]l and hide overnight so that they could fulfill the role of casting their vote in, per law, in the Michigan chambers." She said that she "told him in no uncertain terms that that was insane and inappropriate," and that she warned Michigan’s senate majority leader as a precaution.(106-107: Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Deposition of Laura Cox, [May 3, 2022], pp. 53–54.) Instead, the group of fake electors in Michigan signed their paperwork in the State GOP headquarters, where staff told them not to bring phones inside.(108: Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Deposition of Mayra Rodriguez, [Feb. 22, 2022], pp. 14–18.)
- Although there isn't much difference, you can see there's a bit more to it than Laura Cox making the claim. It turns out, she got it secondhand from an unnamed attorney. While I have no reason to believe it isn't true, it's odd that the attorney isn't named in the report. And if Cox is repeating something she heard from an unnamed source, one has to be a bit more skeptical simply because it can't be verified. Check the rest of your article to make sure this isn't a problem elsewhere. For me personally, as long as it clarified that Cox got the information from elsewhere and this material is found in the Jan 6 report, I don't have a problem with it, but others likely might, and you might want to strike that hook for this reason and focus on more solid aspects of the case. Viriditas (talk) 23:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- I struck the hook, because I can't defend it as a classically defined "fact", and since it is not important or relevant to the overall case that you are writing about, another hook should be created. Viriditas (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- I struck all of the hooks based on my assessment above. Please find other hooks that are based on facts that are unlikely to change. Laura Cox's claim is based on an unnamed source (at least in the Jan. 6 report) and I can't see how a secondhand account based on an unnamed source on a controversial topic could be used as a hook. Viriditas (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Thanks for pointing this out; I've revised the article text to include this. How about this hook? Or do you have ideas for anything more interesting?
- ALT3: ... that some of the Michigan fake electors attempted to enter the State Capitol, but were turned away by the state police? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 03:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Antony-22: part of the problem, as I see it, is that you are relying on the secondary sources to report this information accurately. As is often the case, the media tends to shorten, paraphrase, and rewrite the original story to make it more palatable for general readers and viewers. In this case, I think it would be instructive to go back to the Jan 6 final report and see how the story was altered for presentation. When you do this, you find the following on p. 354:
- The statement was made by Michigan Republican Party chair Laura Cox to House investigators and reported by the Washington Post. It doesn't come from prosecutors and appears to not even be included in the indictment. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 03:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
@Antony-22: I'm reading through the article now. The planning section could use some copyediting and refocus on the narrative. If you read it as someone who knows nothing about the topic (beginner's mind), it can be a touch confusing. For example, you don't connect the dots between Biden's victory and the plan to produce false electoral vote documents. Lots of sources do this, so I'm sure you can find one. For readers unfamiliar with this topic, you really need to explain this. You may be able to gleam some ideas from Federal prosecution of Donald Trump (election obstruction case), but this CBS News report gives an example of how to do it: According to the indictment, "when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states". You're missing the "when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor" part that connects Biden's win with the false elector scheme. Viriditas (talk) 22:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: I'm not really sure that this article needs an extended narrative about the interactions with the state legislature, as only the would-be electors themselves are defendants. The beginning of the second paragraph of that section already succinctly makes the connection you mentioned. That being said, this sort of copyediting is outside the DYK criteria, it's more more something I'd expect to see at a GA review. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think you misread what I wrote. Read it again. I’m not asking you to expand the narrative, I’m asking you to connect the dots, because as someone who knows this topic, I found the background confusing. It sounds like you are in favor of reverse chronology? That’s not a style I find helpful for the reader. Viriditas (talk) 06:05, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Viriditas (talk) 06:16, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 3
Louise Franklin
- ... that films starring actress Louise Franklin were banned in Memphis, Tennessee, by the film censor because they depicted African-Americans as "well-dressed, intelligent, acting sweethearts"? Source: "Shades of the late Lloyd Binford, who banned Rochester and Louise Franklin in "Brewster's Millions," and others because they portrayed well-dressed, intelligent acting sweethearts in the films." - Talk of the Week, The Call
- ALT1: ... that a film starring African-American actress Louise Franklin in a role showcasing "well-dressed, intelligent acting sweethearts" was banned by the film censor in Memphis, Tennessee?
- ALT2: ... that actress Louise Franklin replaced the main dancing role in 1945's Pillow to Post after Dorothy Dandridge was injured in a car accident? Source: Scene Saved As Louise Take Over For Injured Dandridge
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Small-town opera house
- Comment: Article was moved from draftspace to mainspace with this edit.
Created by Silver seren (talk) and FloridaArmy (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 19:34, 3 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Louise Franklin; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Nice work. "1930's" and "50's" should be changed to "1930s", "1950s" etc. per MOS:DECADES, but I won't delay approval of this DYKN over this issue. Epicgenius (talk) 23:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Silverseren, Epicgenius, and Vaticidalprophet: I've pulled this hook out of prep per discussion at WT:DYK. If another hook could be found or the sourcing could be bolstered, that'd be ideal :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- The WTDYK discussion looked like it was resolving towards "... that films starring African-American actress Louise Franklin in roles showcasing "well-dressed, intelligent acting sweethearts" were banned by the film censor in Memphis, Tennessee?". Are there any objections to that? Vaticidalprophet 09:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see evidence that more than one of the censored films starred Louise Franklin. —Kusma (talk) 09:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Fine, how's the Alt I added above? SilverserenC 12:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- The text to source integrity is better now; the main issue I see with that is that the "sweethearts" refers not just to Franklin's character, but also to that of Eddie "Rochester" Anderson. I still do not think the source is particularly good (a throwaway comment about the censor in an opinionated article on a different film) so I would still suggest to try to find a better sourced hook. —Kusma (talk) 14:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have any suggestions, Kusma? I considered the banning of her film to be one of the most interesting parts of her article. The rest is more general being in films info. SilverserenC 22:01, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Well, you could try to work with the actual words of the censor Lloyd Binford (a rather unpleasant white supremacist) instead of letting someone else put words in his mouth. See this scholarly article, for example, which has some of the quotes about Brewster's Millions (1945 film). BTW I think there is indeed another film involving Franklin that was censored by Binford: A Song Is Born, where Franklin seems to have an uncredited part. Unfortunately most of the sources I have found do not focus on Franklin. —Kusma (talk) 22:51, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have any suggestions, Kusma? I considered the banning of her film to be one of the most interesting parts of her article. The rest is more general being in films info. SilverserenC 22:01, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- The text to source integrity is better now; the main issue I see with that is that the "sweethearts" refers not just to Franklin's character, but also to that of Eddie "Rochester" Anderson. I still do not think the source is particularly good (a throwaway comment about the censor in an opinionated article on a different film) so I would still suggest to try to find a better sourced hook. —Kusma (talk) 14:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Fine, how's the Alt I added above? SilverserenC 12:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see evidence that more than one of the censored films starred Louise Franklin. —Kusma (talk) 09:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- The WTDYK discussion looked like it was resolving towards "... that films starring African-American actress Louise Franklin in roles showcasing "well-dressed, intelligent acting sweethearts" were banned by the film censor in Memphis, Tennessee?". Are there any objections to that? Vaticidalprophet 09:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I suppose at this point it would be best to get a fresh review, with the focus being on ALT2. SilverserenC 01:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, Can this nomination be put back on the Template talk:Did you know page so a re-review can be done? SilverserenC 01:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- My bad, Silver seren!
Done :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- My bad, Silver seren!
Retable of the Virgin of Montserrat
![Retable of the Virgin of Montserrat by Bartolomé Bermejo](https://web.archive.org/web/20231003062015im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Bartolom%C3%A9_Bermejo_-_Retablo_della_vergine_di_Montserrat.jpg/159px-Bartolom%C3%A9_Bermejo_-_Retablo_della_vergine_di_Montserrat.jpg)
- ... that the Retable of the Virgin of Montserrat (pictured) was commissioned by a merchant as a sign of gratitude for his safe return from a shipwrecked journey from Savona to Valencia? Source: "Like other Italian merchants, Francesco della Chiesa, who commissioned the triptych, had a penchant for Flemish painting. Established in Valencia, he must have regarded Bermejo as the ideal choice for painting a votive offering to the Virgin of Montserrat – perhaps in gratitude for being saved from shipwreck during one of his voyages between the ports of Savona and Valencia – to preside over the chapel he founded in the cathedral of Acqui Terme, his birthplace." Museo del Prado
Created by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 15:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Retable of the Virgin of Montserrat; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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- Adequate sourcing:
- ? There's one claim at the end of the landscape section (
The marina, in the center of the background...
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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- Other problems:
- The source & quote say possibly, to take it as certainty, as the hook does, seems quite a stretch.
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Overall: Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 00:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hook reworded and citation added.
- ALT1: ... that the Retable of the Virgin of Montserrat (pictured) was commissioned by a merchant perhaps as a sign of gratitude for his safe return from a shipwrecked journey from Savona to Valencia? JeBonSer (talk | sign) 04:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Music of 428: Shibuya Scramble and Canaan
- ... that the soundtrack to the video game 428: Shibuya Scramble features several musical styles, including jazz, techno, funk, and classical? Source: Interview: Noisycroak On Traversing Castlevania's Musical Timeline ("It was an eclectic mix, including everything from techno and funk to bossa nova and classical") and 428 ~Shibuya Scramble~ Original Soundtrack
- ALT1: ... that the soundtrack to the video game 428: Shibuya Scramble features various musical styles, which composer Hideki Sakamoto said led to various obstacles? Source: Interview: Noisycroak On Traversing Castlevania's Musical Timeline
- Reviewed:
Moved to mainspace by IanTEB (talk). Self-nominated at 14:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Music of 428: Shibuya Scramble and Canaan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
John Neilson (Lower Canada politician)
- ... that John Neilson was a Scottish immigrant to Lower Canada who supported nationalist L-J Papineau, opposed the 1837 Rebellion, and then was a leader of the French-Canadian group in Parliament? Source: Dictionary of Canadian Biography: "John Neilson": (1) Scottish immigrant to Lower Canada in first two paras; (2) support for Papineau "In a way he constituted a moral security essential to this party, which was too closely identified with the French Canadians. He complemented Papineau by exhorting him frequently to have patience and perseverance – qualities Papineau admitted he did not possess. "; (3) opposition to rebellions: "What he was again seeking was the righting of abuses, but without sedition or revolt. He vainly tried to avert the rebellions.". For leadership of French-Canadian group in Parliament: J.M.S. Careless, The Union of the Canadas — The Growth of Canadian Institutions, 1841–1857 (Toronto: McClelland and Stewart, 1967), p. 5: "The most prominent spokesman for the French-Canadians at present seemed to be John Neilson ... now was in the forefront of French agitation for repeal."
- ALT1: ... that John Neilson, a Scottish immigrant to Lower Canada, was a major publisher, later a leader of a French-Canadian group in Parliament, and left an estate of over £30,000 in assets and £25 in debts? Source: Dictionary of Canadian Biography: "John Neilson": (1) Scottish immigrant in first two paras; (2) major publisher: "Neilson was primarily a printer, publisher, and bookseller,"; "Besides the printing-shop and the newspaper, Neilson owned the principal bookshop in the Canadas until the 1820s." (3) value of estate: "The inventory of the Neilsons’ community of property, made almost 20 years after John’s death, still listed £30,143 6s. 8d. in debts owing to it and £692 in personal estate, against only £25 in liabilities." For leader of French-Canadian group in Parliament: J.M.S. Careless, The Union of the Canadas — The Growth of Canadian Institutions, 1841–1857 (Toronto: McClelland and Stewart, 1967), p. 5: "The most prominent spokesman for the French-Canadians at present seemed to be John Neilson ... now was in the forefront of French agitation for repeal."
- ALT2: ... that John Neilson, a Scottish immigrant to Lower Canada, became a major publisher and bookseller, and at one point was the single biggest consumer of paper in the province? Source: Dictionary of Canadian Biography: "John Neilson": (1)Scottish immigrant to Lower Canada in first two paras; (2) major publisher and bookseller: "Neilson was primarily a printer, publisher, and bookseller,"; "Besides the printing-shop and the newspaper, Neilson owned the principal bookshop in the Canadas until the 1820s."; (3) biggest consumer of paper: Neilson was primarily a printer, publisher, and bookseller, “the largest consumer of paper in this country,” according to his rival James Brown of Montreal.
- Reviewed: John Company (board game)
- Comment: I've just missed the 7 day deadline; apologies; got tied up with some IRL stuff; hope it can still be considered. I need to do a QPQ; will hunt one out and get to work on it.
5x expanded by Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk). Self-nominated at 14:35, 3 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Neilson (Lower Canada politician); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- @Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: It's been over a week since the nomination and a QPQ has yet to be provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry for the delay. Some IRL stuff has intervened but I will try to get it done tonight. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:00, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Done! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 06:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Still needs a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- I did a review of John Company (board game). Is there some other review I need to do? Or are you referring to someone else doing the review here? I've been waiting for that. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 00:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, this nomination still needs to be reviewed by another reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele)
... that "Substitute Teacher" highlights the "duality of black identity"?Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/07/29/427411327/key-peele-is-ending-here-are-a-few-of-its-code-switch-iest-moments
Created by ElijahPepe (talk). Self-nominated at 18:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: ElijahPepe, great work. Thank you for creating this much-needed article on a cultural landmark of the 21st century. I had to check a few times that this article didn't already exist - I struggled to believe it. It is very well written and very well sourced. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: In the article I am not sure the youtube video should be where it is per MOS:LAYOUT. Also I think we need to attribute the quotes in the hook. Bruxton (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure where you're getting either from. The placement of the videos is fine and the quote has been attributed. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don’t mind re MOS:LAYOUT, but it isn’t a requirement for DYK. The article is up for GA, so should be covered there.
- On the quote, it is inline attributed in the article. I don’t think it needs to be inline attributed in the hook, partly because it encourages clicks, but mainly because the statement is “sky is blue”, as most Key&Peele sketches are about this topic. What we could do is reword, remove the quotation marks, and replace the dual identity with a link to the article Double consciousness. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: I mentioned MOS:LAYOUT as FYI. But the quotation in the hook is from the podcast Code Switch. Maybe @Theleekycauldron: can help? Bruxton (talk) 14:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- (here by request) NPR is reliable for its opinion, and constitutes due weight, but the hook will need to be attributed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: I mentioned MOS:LAYOUT as FYI. But the quotation in the hook is from the podcast Code Switch. Maybe @Theleekycauldron: can help? Bruxton (talk) 14:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure where you're getting either from. The placement of the videos is fine and the quote has been attributed. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Here is an option...
- ALT0a: ... that NPR's Code Switch said "Substitute Teacher" highlights the "duality of black identity"? Bruxton (talk) 23:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: What do you both think? Bruxton (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sounds good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- OK here. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: What do you both think? Bruxton (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I think this hook could use more work. Even within the confines of DYKFICTION, we have secondary analysis of some of the sketch's distinctive quotes:
- Qin also highlights the word choice used by Garvey, contrasting his slang with his use of words such as "insubordinate and churlish", "mischievous and deceitful", and "chicanerous and deplorable", the lattermost use of "chicanery" being an attempt to use parallelism.
This is an interesting and famous sketch, but the current hook doesn't even clearly express what it is. Could we experiment with something off the analysis of the sketch's language? Vaticidalprophet 04:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- I also gotta scratch my head at the submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Sommer Ray as a QPQ. I know this is annoying, since we assume in good faith that anyone that writes a full review has done one, but not writing a full review (in this case, only the QPQ and hook were checked) can't count, especially when the article was subsequently maintenance tagged. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'll also throw in my suggestion, the result of workshopping between myself, Vati, and Elijah at different times:
- ALT1: ... that the Key & Peele sketch "Substitute Teacher" juxtaposes language like "insubordinate and churlish" with slang?
- Given that it's a secondary interpretation of the plot, I think it clears the DYKFICTION bar. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 5
India national football team at the Asian Games
![India national team after defeating South Korea in the final of 1962 Asiad at Senayan Main Stadium, Jakarta.](https://web.archive.org/web/20231003062015im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/1962_Asiad-gold_indian-football.jpg/165px-1962_Asiad-gold_indian-football.jpg)
- ... that India national football team won the gold medal at the 1951 and the 1962 Asian Games football tournament and the bronze medal at the 1970 edition? Source: olympics.com
- ALT1: ... that India was the first ever Asian football champion winning the gold medal match against Iran at the 1951 Asian Games football tournament, held five years before the first AFC Asian Cup in 1956? Source: FIFA Museum
- ALT2: ... that 1962 Asiad win is considered as the greatest achievement of India since they beat the then Asian champion South Korea with injured players in front of 100,000 hostile Indonesian crowds? Source: goal.com, FIFA Museum, The Indian Express
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- Comment: My first DYK nomination.
Created by Drat8sub (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/India national football team at the Asian Games; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 6
Margaret Reid (intelligence officer)
- ... that British Hero of the Holocaust Margaret Reid used John Ruskin's Sesame and Lilies to communicate with London? Source: [1][2]
- Reviewed:
Created by Nedrutland (talk). Self-nominated at 07:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Margaret Reid (intelligence officer); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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References
- ^ Haarr, Geirr H. (2010). The Battle for Norway: April–June 1940. Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. p. 23. ISBN 978-1-59114-051-1.
All codebooks had been destroyed before the legation in Oslo was evacuated on the morning of 9 April. Margaret Reid used an emergency code based on the book Sesame and Lilies with letter codes referring to page, paragraph, sentence, word and letter in that particular book.
- ^ Kramish, Arnold (2019). The Griffin: The Greatest Untold Espionage Story of World War II. Houghton Mifflin. p. 23. ISBN 0-395-36318-7.
The code used by Frank Foley and Margaret Reid during the retreat from Oslo was classic. An obscure book — in April 1940 the choice was Sesame and Lilies — is selected by the coders and decoders. Each letter of the message is described by three numbers that identify the page of the book, the line of that page and the position of the enciphered letter in that line.
Deli 613
... that Deli 613 in Dublin imports its bagels frozen from New York State because there are no kosher bagel wholesalers in Europe?Source: https://www.thejc.com/lets-eat/all/irelands-taoiseach-noshes-up-the-salt-beef-at-dublins-only-kosher-deli-4qDo78OC4gQImxSFUosMBD- ALT1: ... that Deli 613 is the first fully kosher eatery operating in Ireland since the late 1960s? Source: https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/6065012/jewish/Dublin-Kosher-Deli-a-New-Hub-of-Jewish-Life-in-Ireland.htm
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jonathan Allen (journalist)
Created by Longhornsg (talk). Self-nominated at 19:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Deli 613; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article created 6 September. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. QPQ is done. Hooks are interesting and sourced. I like the primary hook best. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 20:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
@Longhornsg and Thriley: Neither hook is OK in its current state. The claim that there are no kosher bagel wholesalers in Europe sourced to a direct quote from the deli, but is presented as a fact in wikivoice. It would be better if a better source were found verifying this claim, or the claim needs to be qualified and/or attributed. (If you do an Internet search for kosher bagel wholesaler Europe, there appears to be at least one.) The "first fully kosher eatery" claim in ALT1 is too bold since the article hedges by saying "believed to be". Cielquiparle (talk) 15:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle:, appreciate the diligence. Point taken about this first hook. I can't find sourcing beyond the deli owner's self-proclaimed statement, so we can move on from that one for now. To address the hedging about the 1960s date, it's safe to say that the deli is the only fully kosher eatery in Ireland, language that is consistent across the two sources above and the article sourcing. Proposing the below, then:
ALT2: ... that Deli 613 is the only fully kosher eatery in Ireland?Source: https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/6065012/jewish/Dublin-Kosher-Deli-a-New-Hub-of-Jewish-Life-in-Ireland.htm
- Not a review, more of a comment, but wasn't there a rule or guideline that discouraged hooks whose truth values may change? For example, ALT2 might be true at a certain period, but may not be true in the future (either because it closes or another kosher eatery opens). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Longhornsg, Thriley, and Cielquiparle: I checked the source and it doesn't seem to directly say that it's the only fully kosher eatery in Ireland, only that it's the first one in over 50 years. With this in mind, would this work?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:12, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not a review, more of a comment, but wasn't there a rule or guideline that discouraged hooks whose truth values may change? For example, ALT2 might be true at a certain period, but may not be true in the future (either because it closes or another kosher eatery opens). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
I've relabeled my hook as ALT3 as "ALT2" was a typo. In any case it needs a new review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 7
Thomas Henry Sparshott, Margaret Elwyn Sparshott
... that English missionary Reverend Thomas Sparshott co-wrote a book in Swahili, and his daughter Dame Margaret Sparshott (pictured) was responsible as matron for 22 hospitals in World War I?Source: T.H. Sparshott: A Bibliography of Congo Languages, p.72, Amazon. Anjili kwa Luka. Swaheli.M.E. Sparshott: Brockbank, William (1970). "Miss Sparshott 1907-1929". The History of Nursing at the M.R.I. Manchester, UK: Manchester University Press. p. 83. ISBN 0719012481.- ALT1: .. that English missionary Reverend Thomas Sparshott edited a book in Swahili, and his daughter Dame Margaret Sparshott (pictured) was responsible as matron for 22 hospitals in World War I? (Sources: as above)
- ALT2: .. that Dame Margaret Sparshott (pictured), daughter of missionary Reverend Thomas Sparshott, was responsible as matron for 22 hospitals in World War I? (Sources: as above)
- ALT3: .. that English missionary Reverend Thomas Sparshott edited the Gospel of Luke in Swahili, and his daughter Dame Margaret Sparshott (pictured) was responsible as matron for 22 hospitals in World War I? (Sources: as above)
Created by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Thomas Henry Sparshott; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Lenin–Stalinnin tugunun adaa-pile
- ... that in 1943 the journal Lenin–Stalinnьꞑ tugunuꞑ adaa-pile classified Tuvan folklore with emphasis on its class and national character? Source: Основные проблемы изучения поэтического творчества народов Сибири и Дальнего Востока: доклады, сообщения и выступления участников Конференций по изучению поэтического творчества народов Сибири и Дальнего Востока, 14-19 декабря, 1959 г. AN SSSR, Sibirskoe otdelenie, 1961. p. 77
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Adelaide L. T. Douglas House
- Comment: can we move this to Lenin–Stalinnьꞑ tugunuꞑ adaa-pile?
Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 19:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lenin–Stalinnin tugunun adaa-pile; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 8
Big Lemon & Paeroa bottle
- ... that New Zealand's Big Lemon & Paeroa bottle (pictured) was originally a replica space rocket? Source: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/lp-bottle-whitewashed-in-anticipation-of-a-spruce-up/JKWCJX4H3VE67BKXZ54JJ4NIMM/
Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 04:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Big Lemon & Paeroa bottle; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: A few issues with the sourcing; from what I see, the freedom of panorama in NZ would allow the picture to be used, but I think an expert should double-check. SounderBruce 19:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I've fixed the who tag but am unsure about how to properly cite the those sources. They are from newspapers, do you know how to cite them? I have no idea how to cite them with an internet link. —Panamitsu (talk) Please ping on reply 04:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: Citations 3 and 6 both need a complete date and first name for the authors. Citations 4, 8, and 10 are missing date and publisher information. Citation 11 doesn't seem to be attributed to the correct original publication. SounderBruce 22:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)\
- @SounderBruce: I believe I have filled out all the citations now. I haven't been able to figure out how to find the URL for the newspaper article but I have linked a record of it. Please note that two of the sources are from an encyclopaedia so they don't have a date. —Panamitsu (talk) Please ping on reply 12:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: do you have an update on this? —Panamitsu (talk) 23:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I believe I have filled out all the citations now. I haven't been able to figure out how to find the URL for the newspaper article but I have linked a record of it. Please note that two of the sources are from an encyclopaedia so they don't have a date. —Panamitsu (talk) Please ping on reply 12:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: Citations 3 and 6 both need a complete date and first name for the authors. Citations 4, 8, and 10 are missing date and publisher information. Citation 11 doesn't seem to be attributed to the correct original publication. SounderBruce 22:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)\
Articles created/expanded on September 9
Rex v Bourne
- ... that the judge (pictured) in the 1938 King v Bourne trial recognised that performing an abortion might prevent a "physical or mental wreck"? Source: [20]
- ... ALT1 the judge (pictured) in the 1938 King v Bourne trial recognised that performing an abortion might protect the health of the mother?
- Reviewed: Merry Gang
- Comment: Still have some work to do here please, but can still be reviewed
Created by Whispyhistory (talk). Self-nominated at 19:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rex v Bourne; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Get Him Back!
- ... that Olivia Rodrigo's song "Get Him Back!" is about a romance that began during the summer and had concluded by spring? Source: Elle
- ALT1: ... that Olivia Rodrigo was inspired to write "Get Him Back!" after getting into ill-advised relationships due to people's expectations? Source: Elle
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/A Friend of the Family (TV series)
- Comment: if the first nomination was rejected because the text wasn't "germane" enough, by the same standards, this should count as a new article
Converted from a redirect by MaranoFan (talk). Self-nominated at 20:43, 10 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Get Him Back! (2nd nomination); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Not a review at this juncture (though I think I might end up reviewing), but something about how the song's music video was filmed on a phone might be a better fact to highlight than the other options? Vaticidalprophet 10:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Indeed, Vaticidalprophet. I came up with the below alts as some possible options.
- ALT2: ... that the music video for Olivia Rodrigo's song "Get Him Back!" was shot on an iPhone 15 Pro?
- ALT3: ... that a Consequence critic thought the clones of Olivia Rodrigo in her "Get Him Back!" music video represented "contradicting voices" in her head?
- Indeed, Vaticidalprophet. I came up with the below alts as some possible options.
- --NØ 10:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Vaticidalprophet, would you mind explicitly indicating if you are going to review this or not? Potential reviewers might be deterred otherwise. Thanks--NØ 23:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Fyodor Basmanov
- ... that it is believed a favorite of Tsar Ivan the Terrible may have killed his own father to prove his loyalty to the Tsar?
Source 1: "Reign of Terror: Ivan IV", Chapter 14 "The Executions in Moscow". R.G. Skrynnikov, translated by Paul Williams. Copyright 2015. (https://brill.com/display/title/32335)
"The tsar showed mercy towards Fedor Basmanov but, according to Kurbskii, the former favourite avoided death at a terrible price. He “at the last slew with his own hand his father Aleksei, the infamous blackguard or, in the foreign tongue, maniac and destroyer of his own soul and of the Holy Russian lands...Fedor Basmanov proved his loyalty to the autocrat, but did not escape disgrace."
Source 2: A.I. Isechko, "Fyodor Basmanov and his Influence on the Tsar Ivan the Terrible" (in Russian), Vestnik of Donetsk University. (http://science.donnu.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/vestnik-sno-tom-2.soczialno-gumanitarnye-nauki.-istoricheskie-nauki-i-politologiya-chast-12022-kopiya.pdf#page=138)
Original Russian: Андрей Курбский в «Истории о великом князе Московском» писал так: «Фёдор Басманов, своей рукой зарезал отца своего Алексея»... его самого вместе с Федором бросили в темницу, где царь пообещал помиловать Федора, если тот докажет преданность царю и собственноручно убьёт отца– изменника. Федор зарезал отца, после чего Иван Грозный заявил: «предал отца – предашь и меня»
Translation: Andrei Kurbsky in "History of the Grand Duke of Moscovy" wrote thus: "Fyodor Basmanov killed his father Alexei with his own hands"....[he] was thrown together with Fyodor into prison, where the Tsar promised to pardon Fyodor, if he should prove his loyalty to the Tsar and by his own hand kill his father the traitor. Fyodor killed his father, after which Ivan the Terrible declared: "You betrayed your father – you'll betray me too."
- ALT1: ... that Ivan the Terrible was allegedly accused of having a homosexual relationship with a young court favorite of his?
Source 1: Richard Hellie, "WHAT HAPPENED? HOW DID HE GET AWAY WITH IT?: IVAN GROZNYI'S PARANOIA AND THE PROBLEM OF INSTITUTIONAL RESTRAINTS", published 1987. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/24657751)
"Another "threat" was a proclamation in 1564...protesting the murder without trial or investigation of the general Prince Dmitrii Fedorov Ovshchinin-Telepnev-Obolenskii (Ovchina-Obolenskii), who had accused Fedor Basmanov of having pederastic relations with the tsar (charges also made by Kurbskii and something one might expect of a paranoid). Ivan invited Ovshchinin to a feast, then ordered his kennel keepers to suffocate the guest in the cellar."
Source 2: Russian Biographical Dictionary, published 1902. (https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%91%D0%A1/%D0%92%D0%A2/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%94%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_(%D0%9E%D0%B2%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0) ).
Original Russian: князь Димитрий Федорович поссорился с любимцев молодого царя Басмановым и в гневе сказал ему: «я и предки мои служили всегда с пользой государю, а ты служишь гнусной содомией». Басманов нажаловался во время пира Иоанну и царь за пиром же убил Оболенского.
Translation: Prince Dimitry Obolensky quarrelled with a young favorite of the Tsar, Basmanov, and in rage said to him: "I and my ancestors always served the Tsar well, and you serve him with abominable sodomy." Basmanov complained during a feast to Ioann and the Tsar killed Obolensky at the feast.
Source 3: Ivan the Terrible by R.G.Skrynnikov (in Russian). Originally published in 1975, republished in 2001. (http://militera.lib.ru/bio/skrynnikov_rg/02.html)
Original Russian:Курбский упрекнул царя за «разврат» с Федором Басмановым...Овчинин поссорился с Федором Басмановым и выбранил его за нечестивые деяния с царем. Фаворит отправился к царю и плача рассказал ему об оскорблении. Разгневанный дерзостью Грозный пригласил Овчинина во дворец и после пира велел спуститься в винный погреб, чтобы закончить там праздник. Подвыпивший князь не расслышал угрозы в словах государя и отправился в погреб, где был задушен псарями.
Translation: Kurbsky reproached the Tsar for "sexual perversion" with Fyodor Basmanov...Ovchinin quarrelled with Fyodor Basmanov and cursed him for unholy acts with the Tsar. The favorite went to the Tsar and in tears told him about the insult. The Terrible, angered by the audacity, invited Ovchinin to the palace and after the feast commanded him to descend into the wine cellar, to finish the celebration there. The drunk prince did not hear the threat in the words of the ruler and descended into the cellar, where he was strangled by the Tsar's huntsmen.
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- Comment: Second DYK nomination by Jaguarnik, for now review of other DYK is not required.The draft was created on July 12 but moved to mainspace from draftspace on September 9, so still qualifies under DYK criteria. Update 23 September 2023 : I added English sources for reviewers who can't check in Russian.
Created by Jaguarnik (talk). Self-nominated at 07:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fyodor Basmanov; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 10
RinRin Doll
- ... that RinRin Doll first modeled for Angelic Pretty at Pacific Media Expo after her friend, who was also the organizer for the event, submitted an application for her without her knowledge? Source: https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/features/2013/3/3/feature-the-rinrin-doll-interview
Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 20:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/RinRin Doll; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article was new enough and is long enough. What make https://web.archive.org/web/20151110002757/http://www.divinejpn.com/rinrin.html and https://www.moshimoshi-nippon.jp/346761 reliable sources? AGFing on videos and non-English sources. Infobox material is unsourced and I don't see the hook in the article. QPQ is OK. Otherwise I see no issue. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Infobox material is also shown in the lead and body of the article, including "Personal life." Hook is in the first sentence of the "Career" section. Divine was her employer and content should count as a primary source. Moshi Moshi Nippon is a source discussing Japanese pop culture and fashion by Asobi System. lullabying (talk) 02:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Probably want to reconsider the hook link to an article with the primary source tag, although I am not sure it's strictly necessary. JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 10:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I'm not sure what you mean. The article for the hook is not a primary source. lullabying (talk) 02:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant the link to Angelic Pretty JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 06:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I'm still not quite sure what you mean. Can you rephrase what you are saying? I'm not sure I'm following. lullabying (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Your proposed hook has a link to Angelic Pretty which has a maintenance tag. That said, Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#tag does not mention this type of maintenance tag, so maybe the link's fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- As far as I know, maintenance tags or other article issues affecting DYK hooks only apply to the main bolded link, not to any other links. As long as RinRin Doll's article is fine the article issues with Angelic Pretty should not be a concern for DYK purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- I also edited Angelic Pretty a bit, so there's a less reliance on primary sources now. I shall continue to improve it but I don't think it should affect eligibility of RinRin Doll's article. lullabying (talk) 00:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Your proposed hook has a link to Angelic Pretty which has a maintenance tag. That said, Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#tag does not mention this type of maintenance tag, so maybe the link's fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I'm still not quite sure what you mean. Can you rephrase what you are saying? I'm not sure I'm following. lullabying (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant the link to Angelic Pretty JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 06:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I'm not sure what you mean. The article for the hook is not a primary source. lullabying (talk) 02:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Probably want to reconsider the hook link to an article with the primary source tag, although I am not sure it's strictly necessary. JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 10:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Infobox material is also shown in the lead and body of the article, including "Personal life." Hook is in the first sentence of the "Career" section. Divine was her employer and content should count as a primary source. Moshi Moshi Nippon is a source discussing Japanese pop culture and fashion by Asobi System. lullabying (talk) 02:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 13
Siberian Ingrian Finnish
- ... that several dozen families deported to Siberia spread across two thousand kilometers (1,200 mi) from the swamps of Western Siberia to the Yenisey River in Eastern Siberia and created a new language? Source: 1. About a new language:
1.1 https://aclanthology.org/2022.computel-1.1.pdf see page 1: "The Siberian Ingrian Finnish Language is an Ingrian Finnish – Ingrian (Izhorian) mixed language. The ancestors of the speakers of Siberian Ingrian Finnish spoke Lower Luga Ingrian Finnish and Lower Luga Ingrian varieties (Kuznetsova et al., 2015). They migrated from the Lower Luga area to Siberia in 1803-1804".
1.2 https://kirj.ee/public/Linguistica_Uralica/2016/issue_1/ling-2016-1-1-25.pdf see page 14: "Siberian Ingrian/Finnish is a mixed variety of Southern Lower Luga Ingrian and the Ingrian Finnish variety of the Lower Luga area. Since the works by Zlobina (Злобина 1971; Zlobina 1972) and Nirvi (1972), this ethnic group has been known by the name korlaki."
1.3 https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/on-domains-of-adessive-allative-in-siberian-ingrian-finnish
2. About Western Siberia: https://kirj.ee/public/Linguistica_Uralica/2016/issue_1/ling-2016-1-1-25.pdf see page 14: " It is spoken by an ethnic group whose ancestors were expelled to the Omsk region of Western Siberia in 1803—1804 after an upspring against Baron von Ungern-Sternberg. They settled down in the village of Ryžkovo and the surrounding ones."
3. About Eastern Siberia: https://iling.spb.ru/theses/1999 page 35 (in Russian): "...необходимо упомянуть ещё несколько поселений на территории Южной и Восточной Сибири, где проживали ингерманландские финны и выходцы из Финляндии. В первую очередь, это с. Верхний Суэтук...". In this text "Верхний Суэтук" - is the village of Verkhny Suetuk which located east of the Yenisey River in Eastern Siberia.
About Estern Siberia, Yenisey and Verkhny Suetuk in nominated artical: "The Siberian Ingrian Finnish speakers made rather long migrations in Siberia. In the 19th century, part of the Siberian Ingrian Finnish speakers migrated to the village of Verkhny Suetuk [ru; et] (now Krasnoyarsk Krai)". The village of Verkhny Suetuk is located east of the Yenisey.
About location Verkhny Suetuk in Estonian Wikipedia: https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Clem-Suetuk
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Created by Ubaleht (talk). Self-nominated at 21:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Siberian Ingrian Finnish; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Date and length ok. Very interesting subject. No QPQ needed. Hook seems to miss a verb. But mainly the article lacks outline when/how the language actually emerged. We understand a group of people was exiled, and later they speak a language but there is no connection between the dots. Could we have an ALT hook? --Soman (talk) 21:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- Ping @Ubaleht: TSventon (talk) 23:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
SPICES (Scouting)
- ... that keas, joeys, cubs, ventures and rovers develop their SPICES, with social, physical, intellectual, character, emotional and physical development through scout activities in five countries? Source: https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/home/244842/after-24-years-allenwood-scouts-open-den.html https://gps.scout.org/handbook/cross-bridges-ireland/#1603807896348-c75e519a-f3b2 https://www.scouts.ca/resources/bpp/policies/program-standard.html https://scouts.com.au/blog/2018/08/21/the-spices-of-scouting/ https://scouts.nz/programme/ https://www.facebook.com/MaltaScouts/videos/1658554660887403/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John F. Quirk
- Comment: 5 of the (5 associations each with 4 or 5 youth sections) are chosen because of diverse names, and show the age spread
Created by Bogger (talk). Self-nominated at 14:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/SPICES (Scouting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 14
Louise Fulton
- ... that Louise Fulton was the first African-American to win a professional bowling tournament? Source: several, e.g. Bowl.com ("She was the first African-American to capture a professional bowling title, when she won the 1964 Princeton Open.")
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Louise Fulton; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: I used Earwig to take a look at the article and I think there's some close phrasing shown in the paragraph that starts "outside of competetion" (see here), also a QPQ needs to be done. I love the article overall though, it was so interesting read. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: To remind them to provide a QPQ as soon as possible. Z1720 (talk) 12:47, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: QPQ done. I also tried re-writing that paragraph, what do you think? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Fancies Versus Fads
- ... that in Fancies Versus Fads, G. K. Chesterton "knocks all our preconceived notions in the scrap heap, and then tells us that there is no scrap heap"? Source: St. Louis Globe-Democrat review (a quote from the source)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KHHZ
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fancies Versus Fads; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article created 14 September. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is missing. Once done this will be ready. Thriley (talk) 03:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Thriley: QPQ done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman
- ... that six years after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her mother and a judge friend both committed suicide? Source: But on Aug. 10, 2022, Connie Land committed suicide with a single bullet ending her misery. Then, on Jan. 20, Andress-Tobiasson, 55, joined her friend in death when she shot herself at her $2 million Vegas mansion. [21]
- ALT1: ... that after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her family publicized the unsolved case on digital billboards? Source: Since the killings, the Land family has spoken to local and national reporters, and even placed Sydney’s portrait on electronic billboards in the Las Vegas area. [22]
- ALT2: ... that a Las Vegas judge who was forced to resign over her involvement in the investigation of the shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman later committed suicide? Source: A former Las Vegas judge who resigned from her elected position in 2021 to settle a state ethics and discipline investigation has died, according to authorities. The Clark County coroner’s office confirmed Saturday that Melanie Andress Tobiasson, 55, died Friday from a gunshot wound. The coroner ruled the death a suicide, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. [23]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Selene Mahri
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Although I submitted 3 hooks, I support the promotion of either ALT0 or ALT2, being that they appear to be more compelling than ALT1.On second thought, I think each hook has its merits, so I have no preference. StonyBrook babble 14:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Created by StonyBrook (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Larry Grant (elder)
- ... that Larry Grant provided hən̓q̓əmín̓əm̓ language names to street signs on the University of British Columbia campus? Source: "“With these new signs, Elder Larry Grant and the Musqueam community are sharing their knowledge about how a place is understood and how people move across the land,” said Ono during the event." Du Bois, Samuel (8 April 2018). "UBC and the Musqueam First Nation unveil street signs in hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ language". The Ubyssey. The Ubyssey Publications Society.
- ALT1: ... that despite being Musqueam, Larry Grant was excluded from attending the Canadian Indian residential school system as the government recognized him as a Chinese citizen? Source: "While Elder Larry Grant lacked a strong connection to the Chinese side of his family, his citizenship status as Chinese created an exceptionally rare set of circumstances; he and his siblings were excluded from attending residential school, which operated in Canada from 1831 to 1996." Peng, Jenny (2 June 2023). "Larry Grant (sʔəyəɬəq)". The Canadian Encyclopedia. Anthony Wilson-Smith.
- ALT2: ... that because of the provisions of the Indian Act forbidding his parents from cohabitation, Musqueam elder Larry Grant seldom saw his Chinese-Canadian father while growing up? Source: "Growing up Grant hardly saw his father, except for occasional dinners at the bunkhouses where his father lived with other farmers. The Indian Act stipulated that non-Indigenous peoples were not permitted to cohabit on the reserve." Peng, Jenny (2 June 2023). "Larry Grant (sʔəyəɬəq)". The Canadian Encyclopedia. Anthony Wilson-Smith.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TBD
- Comment: Been a while since I did another DYK, chalk that up to life being a bit challenging on my end. Reluctant to use ALT1 over ALT0 and ALT2. Thank you in advance to the reviewer!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Self-nominated at 04:29, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Larry Grant (elder); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- @Ornithoptera: To remind them to provide a QPQ. Z1720 (talk) 12:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
September 2023 northeastern U.S. floods
![The Weather Prediction Center's Mesoscale Discussion 1059 concerning flooding across the Northeastern United States on September 11, 2023](https://web.archive.org/web/20231003062015im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Weather_Prediction_Center_Mesoscale_Discussion_1059_September_11%2C_2023.gif/178px-Weather_Prediction_Center_Mesoscale_Discussion_1059_September_11%2C_2023.gif)
- ... that during the September 2023 northeastern U.S. floods, 9.5 in (24 cm) of rain fell in several hours in Leominster, Massachusetts, causing significant flooding? Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/leominster-flooding-cleanup-massachusetts-rain-forecast/
- ALT1: ... that during the September 2023 northeastern U.S. floods, one of the storms also produced a possible tornado, causing damage across portions of Connecticut and Rhode Island? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/14/us/new-england-tornado.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zhu Cilang
Created by Tails Wx (talk). Self-nominated at 15:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/September 2023 northeastern U.S. floods; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- The tornado was confirmed. 152.179.137.198 (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Julia Marden
- ... that Julia Marden was the first known person to create a Wampanoag twined turkey feather mantle since European contact 400 years earlier? Source: https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2023/09/12/turkey-feather-mantle-gay-head-aquinnah-wampanoag-powwow-julia-marden/70195674007/
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Created by ForsythiaJo (talk). Self-nominated at 00:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Julia Marden; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: Article appears to meet all the criteria. Hook is cited and interesting. Appears good to go! BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
@ForsythiaJo and BeanieFan11: This hook cannot run as is. Many readers will not understand what "400 years" is referring to in the hook, since it's not really explained in the article (except for the passing mention of "post-contact"). Also, the article is careful to specify that it's the first "known" such mantle (there may have been others), whereas the hook seems to declare with 100% certainty that this is indisputable fact. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 15
Keith Hartwig
- ... that Keith Hartwig overcame an injury he was told would end his career in high school and being a backup or injured four of his five collegiate seasons to play in the National Football League? Source: Arizona Daily Star and Tucson Daily Citizen + Pro-Football-Reference.com
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Keith Hartwig; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Missing QPQ. To fix the hook issue, I'd remove "
and being a backup or injured four of his five collegiate seasons
", but I'm open to other ways to improve the wording. Maybe "... that Keith Hartwig overcame an injury he was told would end his career and went on to play in the National Football League?". ––FormalDude (talk) 08:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Enshittification
- ... that according to Cory Doctorow, enshittification is how platforms die? Source: "Here is how platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die." Wired
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chancellor Hut
- Comment: Alternate hooks welcome.
Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk), The Anome (talk), and Grayfell (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 10:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Enshittification; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
This one'll do numbers! The article isn't quite there yet, though -- it has an unresolved clarification needed tag, and the rent-seeking claim is uncited. Once these get resolved, the article should be (while not passing GAN anytime soon) DYK-able. I'm mulling over the large quote in a short article -- proportionately it raises what's arguably a copyright question -- but I'm not sure if it should be perceived differently to use of an NFCC image in an equivalent-length article. (I also wonder about general-reader understanding of decontextualized "two-sided markets", but this isn't a DYK issue.) Vaticidalprophet 22:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- May I propose a tweak to the hook:
- ... that according to Cory Doctorow, enshittification inevitably leads to death? StonyBrook babble 10:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Joshua Sacco
- ... that Zimbabwean MP Joshua Sacco and his family moved to Zimbabwe when he was three years old because his parents sought refuge from the apartheid government in South Africa? Source: Sacco: Chimanimani’s fluent Shona whiteman - The Manica Post
- ALT1: ... that Zimbabwean MP Joshua Sacco's parents were anti-apartheid activists in South Africa? Source: Sacco: Chimanimani’s fluent Shona whiteman - The Manica Post
- ALT2: ... that Zimbabwean MP Joshua Sacco and his band performed songs at ZANU–PF rallies? Source: Sacco: Chimanimani’s fluent Shona whiteman - The Manica Post
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ganjar Pranowo 2024 presidential campaign
Created by Lefcentreright (talk). Self-nominated at 22:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Joshua Sacco; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Earl Witte
- ... that in one of Earl Witte's few NFL games, he threw Bronko Nagurski to the ground and hit a player so hard that the player "stopped, curled up and dropped to the ground as if he had hit a stone wall"? Source: [24] (for the Nagurski and stone wall part) five games
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Montagu Island
- Comment: I could make an alt hook to remove Nagurski; but I thought it kind of relevant as Nagurski's one of football's all-time greats (and known for being strong and large).
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Earl Witte; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Berkeley Faculty Club
- ... that The Faculty Club at UC Berkeley, built in 1902, has been reported to be a hotspot for paranormal activity? Source: http://www.weirdca.com/location.php?location=322https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1996/1030/halloween.html
- ALT1: ... that works by artists such as Ray Boynton and Jacques Schnier can be found in the corridors and meeting rooms of the Berkeley Faculty Club? Source: https://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2003-10-31/article/17674
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1955 Brazilian coup d'état
Created by Bananagrams00 (talk). Nominated by Bogger (talk) at 13:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Berkeley Faculty Club; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Everything looks good, happy to approve.—Panamitsu (talk) Please ping on reply 03:30, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
@Bananagrams00, Bogger, and Panamitsu: This article needs to beef up its sources, as it appears to be relying too heavily on campus newspapers, etc. Please look for independent reliable secondary sources per WP:RS. Cielquiparle (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: is it suitably beefed? -Bogger (talk) 21:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Bogger: There are still a couple of primary sources, for example reference 2. It'd be better to completely remove these if secondary sources cover the topic. —Panamitsu (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: removed one primary source, and replaced another with a secondary source. -Bogger (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Bogger: I'm not too sure about the sources on alumni.berkely.edu as they seems to be a form of a primary source as they appear to be associated with the club and only mention the club to talk about discounts to it. I'm not familiar with the subject or policy surrounding this issue so I'm having a bit of trouble understanding. —Panamitsu (talk) 04:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: ok I've replaced that reference with the by-laws from the club itself. While this is a primary source, it is not an advertisement, bravado, prose, or claim. -Bogger (talk) 07:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: Sorry for the ping but do you think this counts as adequate sourcing? I'm quite reluctant to approve it. —Panamitsu (talk) 04:00, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: removed one primary source, and replaced another with a secondary source. -Bogger (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Bogger: There are still a couple of primary sources, for example reference 2. It'd be better to completely remove these if secondary sources cover the topic. —Panamitsu (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: is it suitably beefed? -Bogger (talk) 21:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 16
Myriel Davies
- ... that peace activist Myriel Davies visited South Africa months after the end of apartheid? Source: Three visits made very deep and lasting impressions on her: ... South Africa a few months after apartheid came to an end.
- ALT1: ... that prior to being a peace activist, Myriel Davies worked for the General Post Office as a telephone operator until her marriage? Source: Myriel ... went to work as a telephonist with the Post Office in Carmarthen, Tenby and Cardiff ... As regulations at the time demanded, her marriage meant that she had to leave her job in the Civil Service
- ALT2: ... that prior to being a peace activist, Myriel Davies worked as a telephone operator? Source: Myriel ... went to work as a telephonist with the Post Office in Carmarthen, Tenby and Cardiff. She was appointed chief telephonist at Shrewsbury; ... went to work as a telephonist at Selfridges, London.
- ALT3: ... that prior to being a peace activist, Myriel Davies worked as a department store telephone operator? Source: same as ALT2
- ALT4: ... that prior to being a peace activist, Myriel Davies worked as a Selfridges telephone operator? Source: same as ALT2
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Poecilia chica
- Comment: Note that biography.wales may often take extra time to load.
Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Self-nominated at 19:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Myriel Davies; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: New enough, long enough, no copyvio concerns or issues with sources. I don't love the first hook, and while the others work, they don't quite do it for me. Without putting words in your mouth, I wonder if it's possible to make something of the fact a Selfridges telephonist began a career as a peace activist during the Suez Crisis? DrThneed (talk) 04:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @DrThneed: Thanks for the suggestion. Taking into mind that the source is unclear on whether or not she was still at Selfridges when she joined the UNA-UK (she could've quit before the Suez Crisis), I have proposed two more alt hooks (people will be more familiar with the international, more common "telephone operator" than with strictly-British "telephonist"):
- ALT5: ... that after starting a career as a Selfridges telephone operator, Myriel Davies joined the United Nations Association – UK during the Suez Crisis? Myriel went to work as a telephonist at Selfridges, London. During the Suez Crisis of 1956, she joined the United Nations Association and, when the crisis ended, she was appointed to work full-time as Campaigns Officer for the Association.
- ALT6: ... that after working as a Selfridges telephone operator, Myriel Davies joined the United Nations Association – UK during the Suez Crisis? Source: same as ALT5
- ミラP@Miraclepine 18:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hmm, bit wordy maybe? What about
- ALT7: ... that telephone operator Myriel Davies began her long career as a peace activist during the Suez Crisis?
- DrThneed (talk) 01:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- @DrThneed: That I can agree on. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 17
Mel Bartholomew
- ... that retired engineer Mel Bartholomew, who developed the efficient Square foot gardening method, said he gardened "with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow"? Source: "He said of his philosophy, “I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow.”" NY Times
Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mel Bartholomew; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Article was nominated on 27 Sep, which I think is ten days after it was moved to mainspace, but I'm prepared to let it through if the promoter agrees to bend the rules.
- Sources - all good, taking the NYT ones on AGF as I cannot read them. Reference 5 needs tidying up, it is a bare URL and needs converting to cite news template or similar, with a date.
- "Square" of square foot gardening has been capitalised in places in the article - it shouldn't be, going by the style in the linked article about it (and therefore also needs lowercasing in hook).
- Hook - I was actually able to read the paywalled NYT ref through Earwig (forgot about that as a trick!) but it reports the quote as "I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheel barrel". That's a bit odd (I've never heard of a wheel barrel) but is apparently a common mistake in English according to Google so is possibly an accurate quote....can you confirm if original article says wheel barrow or barrel?
Otherwise all good, and I find the GIF eye-catching. DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC) DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Chet Winters
- ... that future NFL player Chet Winters spent all four of his collegiate seasons as a backup, his first to Billy Sims, second to David Overstreet, third to Buster Rhymes and fourth to Marcus Dupree? Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Chet Winters; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The expansion is new enough and long enough (going from 162 characters to 2,709) and the article looks to be in pretty good condition overall, as it is well-cited and well-formatted in general. The problem lies in the hook fact, as it doesn't look to be accurate. Current ref 10 states that Winters "started at right halfback much of [his] time for the Sooners", while ref 11 says he was a blocking back for the star running backs Oklahoma had. What these references appear to be saying is that he wasn't really a backup, but was instead a starter who just didn't receive a lot of rushing attempts himself. That will need to be fixed in the article, and we're going to need a different hook. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Wad el-Mahi
- ... that due to climate change in Sudan, Wad el-Mahi temperature is increasing by 1°C (1.8 °F) per year since the 1970s? Source: UNCIF page 3
Created by FuzzyMagma (talk) and Chomik1129 (talk). Nominated by FuzzyMagma (talk) at 19:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wad el-Mahi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment: I believe the temperature conversion is incorrect, the conversion is basing this off is when 1 degrees Celsius is the atmospheric temperature but the difference between 1 C and 2 C is not 34 F. 34 F is simply when the temperature is 1 C, so this should probably be adjusted. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- good catch. Fixed FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1, purely for better idiom: ... that due to climate change in Sudan, temperatures at Wad el-Mahi have increased by 1°C (1.8 °F) per year since the 1970s? Source: UNCIF page 3 Johnbod (talk) 00:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- works for me FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Raymond Bushland
- ... that Raymond Bushland and Edward F. Knipling (both pictured) won the 1992 World Food Prize for developing the sterile insect technique which eliminated parasitic screw-worms from the United States?Source: “ Dr. Raymond C. Bushland and Dr. Edward F. Knipling of the United States were honored for their contribution to sustaining vast sources of food, especially livestock and wildlife populations, and consequently ensuring human health. Drs. Bushland and Knipling developed the Sterile Insect Technique (SIT), which was first used to eliminate screwworms, insects that prey on warm-blooded animals, especially cattle herds. With larvae that invade open wounds and eat into animal flesh, the flies were capable of killing cattle within 10 days of infection. In the 1950s, screwworms caused annual losses to American meat and dairy supplies that were projected at above $200 million. Screwworm maggots are also known to parasitize human flesh.” World Food Prize
Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 19:40, 17 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Raymond Bushland; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, plagiarism-free, and sourced. Hook is cited, but for some reason you have it sourced in the lead to refs 2 & 3 when I think you probably mean refs 2 & 4 (ref 3 is a photo of them that doesn't mention the prize, whereas ref 4 is the Golden Goose citation but mentions the World Food prize). Besides fixing that, all good, just waiting for a QPQ. DrThneed (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 18
Luca Salsi
- ... that Luca Salsi (pictured) was recognised as "baritone superman" when he not only stepped in at the Metropolitan Opera in Verdi's Ernani, but also performed there the same day in Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor? Source: five reviews from different countries
- ALT1: ... that in 2023, the baritone Luca Salsi (pictured) portrayed Verdi's Macbeth opposite Anna Netrebko at the Berlin State Opera, in the 2018 production by Harry Kupfer? Source: several
- ALT2: ... that in 2023, Luca Salsi (pictured) portrayed Verdi's Macbeth opposite Anna Netrebko at the Berlin State Opera, as an "ever stronger ambitious usurper"? Source: [25]
- Reviewed: to come
- Comment: The hook about the 2 operas one day would read in full "... that Luca Salsi was recognised as baritone superman by the international press in April 2015 when he not only stepped in on short notice for Plácido Domingo at the Metropolitan Opera in an afternoon concert of Verdi's Ernani, but also performed the same evening in Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor as planned." which is too long. Help? - The short hook about recent news is perhaps even more interesting, because there were protests in front of the opera house, not because of him but Netrebko. To feed our broad audience. To get a feeling for the production (then with Plácido Domingo, - again) see YouTube - full length, but a glimpse will tell the atmosphere of what may be regarded as Kupfer's legacy. - I am sorry I missed this nom by a day, busy both here and in real life. It was long enough from the start.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Luca Salsi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Isabelle Cals
- ... that Isabelle Cals, who turned to singing after a degree in Chinese, appeared as Wagner's Kundry in the production of Parsifal at the Stadttheater Minden? Source: several
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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Isabelle Cals; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article created 18 September. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is missing. Is there more to add on her life before becoming a singer at 24. She had no formal training at all before then? Thriley (talk) 04:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Georg Forchhammer. - No, I don't know more, such as when and where she studied Chinese, and it would not come from any source but her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Campbell's Soup Cans II
- ... that a Hot Dog Bean screenprint from Andy Warhol's Campbell's Soup Cans II sold for $258,046 in 2013? Source: https://www.altaninsights.com/blog-posts/art-insights-investing-in-soup
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sheryl Cooper (QPQ 1 of 2)
5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 02:58, 23 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Campbell's Soup Cans II; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Just went in and spaced out the paragraphs a bit, but nothing much. That citation needed tag on "Edition #17" needs a looking-at, though. In terms of the hook, maybe italicize "Hot Dog Bean" seeing it's a painting and it's italicized in the article? Otherwise, just need you to do the QPQ. AdoTang (talk) 00:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Candlemas Island
... that plants grow around fumarolic vents on Candlemas Island?- ALT1 ... that plants grow around volcanic gas vents on Candlemas Island?
5x expanded by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 09:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Candlemas Island; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- More of a comment than a review, but isn't the hook just a bit too technical? It assumes that the reader is familiar with fumarolic vents, which probably isn't true for most people. Maybe a different direction is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Proposed an ALT. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:45, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- I guess that works. I've struck the original hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
AreYouKiddingTV
- ... that AreYouKiddingTV never speaks during their challenges, and only communicates via a piece of paper taped to their chest? Source: https://muscleandhealth.com/wealth/are-you-kidding-viral-success/
- ALT1: ... that AreYouKiddingTV once gave out $5,000 to a student at East Carolina University who was the first to retrieve a clear key from a pool on campus? Source: https://www.miamilivingmagazine.com/post/behind-the-laughter-exploring-the-phenomenon-of-areyoukiddingtv
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dongbei renaissance
Created by Johnson524 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/AreYouKiddingTV; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 21
Julia Allison
- ... that Taylor Lorenz described Julia Allison as one of the first influencers? Source: "In the mid-2000s, Allison dominated the online world as one of the first multi-platform content creators. But practically no one recognized her as such, in part because there wasn’t language to talk about what she was doing. Today, she would be referred to as an influencer." Rolling Stone
- Reviewed: To come
Created by Thriley (talk) and Yngvadottir (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 13:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Julia Allison; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Long COVID
... that virus can remain in the body after a COVID infection, which is hypothesised to contribute to long COVID? Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-023-01601-2- ALT1: ... that 6% of the US population has symptoms of long COVID lasting three months or more? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10415000/
ALT2: ... that long COVID for people who meet the criteria for ME/CFS may be lifelong? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839201/- Reviewed:
- Comment: I think this is my 4th DYK, so no review is necessary yet.
Improved to Good Article status by Femke (talk). Self-nominated at 08:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Long COVID; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Good article, well sourced and reads well. Only 4 prior DYKs, so no QPQ needed. Passed earwig test. ALT1 is the most interesting, but I think it should give a time period for the 6% - my read of the source is that it is referring to June 2023? Onceinawhile (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- The number has stayed constant between January and June this year, so I think a present tense is justifiable for catchiness. No objection against the following however:
- ALT1b: ... that 6% of the US population had symptoms of long COVID lasting three months or longer in June 2023? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10415000/
- ALT1c: ... that 6% of the US population had symptoms of long COVID lasting three months or longer in the first half of 2023? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10415000/. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 14:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 22
Freddy Huayta
- ... that to combat water privatization in Bolivia, Freddy Huayta joined a "coordinator" – a loose-knit alliance of organizations united around a single cause? Source: Romero Ballivián 2018, pp. 222, 286.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TBA
- Comment: Submitting this late on 29 September PST – just enough to meet the seven-day minimum.
Improved to Good Article status by Krisgabwoosh (talk). Self-nominated at 06:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Freddy Huayta; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Amrita Shah
- ... that Amrita Shah found that a new generation of women aspired to being independent following the introduction of television in India? Source: Malhotra, Sheena; Crabtree, Robin D. (2002). "3. Gender (Inter)Nation(alization) and culture: Implications for the privatisation of television in India". In Collier, Mary Jane (ed.). Transforming Communication About Culture. SAGE. p. 70. ISBN 978-0-7619-2488-3.
- Reviewed: Cherokee Apartments
- ALT1 ... that according to Amrita Shah, the introduction of television to India caused a new generation of women to want to be more independent? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Created by Whispyhistory (talk). Self-nominated at 17:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Amrita Shah; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Sara Mérida
- ... that footballer Sara Mérida suffered four ACL injuries by the age of 21, retiring from playing for nearly a decade?
- ALT1: ... that after playing football, then serving as physiotherapist, for Espanyol Femení, Sara Mérida helped coach the team to promotion in 2022?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Halston (film)
5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 22:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sara Mérida; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Kingsif: Good article, but i'm quite confused on the wording of these hooks. Can the grammar be imporved? Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
BoysTown (Beaudesert)
- ... that BoysTown is regarded as having the largest case of child abuse in Australia's history? Source: [26]
- ALT1: ... that former rugby league player Joe Kilroy said he was bashed regularly by staff at BoysTown, and described the school as being "run like a prison"? Source: [27]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Alessia Cara
Created by Damien Linnane (talk). Self-nominated at 06:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Boys Town (Beaudesert); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Trần Lập
- ... that a civil lawsuit between Trần Lập and VNG Corporation is the first time an lawsuit about digital content copyright had been officially conducted in Vietnam? Source: https://vov.vn/van-hoa/am-nhac/vi-sao-nhac-si-tran-lap-kien-zing-mp3-369167.vov
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- Comment: This is the second time I've ever nominated an article for DYK. Please consider to choose its hook.
5x expanded by Mintu Martin (talk). Self-nominated at 03:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Trần Lập; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 23
James Dillon Armstrong
- ... that James Dillon Armstrong served as a county prosecuting attorney, Virginia state senator, and West Virginia circuit court judge? Source: prosecuting attorney, Virginia state senator (pp. 147–150), and circuit court judge
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hypericum perforatum
- Comment: Please let me know if you have any questions, and please feel free to suggest additional hooks. -- West Virginian (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Moved to mainspace by West Virginian (talk). Self-nominated at 20:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/James Dillon Armstrong; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Pathogenic microorganisms in frozen environments
- ... that ancient permafrost can preserve viable microorganisms, some of which contain antibiotic resistance genes that may be transferred to modern bacteria? Source: [1][2]
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Created by InformationToKnowledge (talk). Self-nominated at 09:17, 29 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Pathogenic microorganisms in frozen environments; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
References
- ^ Perron, Gabriel G.; Whyte, Lyle; Turnbaugh, Peter J.; Goordial, Jacqueline; Hanage, William P.; Dantas, Gautam; Desai, Michael M. Desai (25 March 2015). "Functional Characterization of Bacteria Isolated from Ancient Arctic Soil Exposes Diverse Resistance Mechanisms to Modern Antibiotics". PLOS ONE. 10 (3): e0069533. Bibcode:2015PLoSO..1069533P. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0069533. PMC 4373940. PMID 25807523.
- ^ Wu, Rachel; Trubl, Gareth; Tas, Neslihan; Jansson, Janet K. (15 April 2022). "Permafrost as a potential pathogen reservoir". One Earth. 5 (4): 351–360. Bibcode:2022OEart...5..351W. doi:10.1016/j.oneear.2022.03.010. S2CID 248208195.
Vindication Island
- ... that Vindication Island vindicated James Cook's discovery of two islands? Source: Reports indicating that the Candlemas Islands contained three islands or a single island for many years overshadowed Cook's earlier description. A survey in 1930 by DI personnel on the Discovery II confirmed Cook's report, thus suggesting the name for this island.
- ... that an island vindicated James Cook?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/David Dean (Texas politician)
- Comment: Not sure if this is a good way to interpret the source.
Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 16:01, 23 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vindication Island; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Good article, but the hook isn't all that interesting. Maybe a new hook or a rewording of the hook could work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Proposed another hook. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Jewish historiography
- ... that the first comprehensive Jewish history written by a Jewish author was published more than a century after a Protestant author's version of the same? Source: Meyer 1988, p. 169
- ALT1: ... that all major publications of Jewish history have been influenced by the political climates of their respective times? Source: Brenner 2010, p. 15, 49, 50; Meyer 2007, p. 661; Yerushalmi 1982, p. 85; Biale 1994, p. 3
- ALT2: ... that Yosef Hayim Yerushalmi wrote that the modern writing of Jewish history became "the faith of fallen Jews"? Source: Yerushalmi 1982, p. 86
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Long COVID
Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 12:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jewish historiography; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- I disagree with these proposed DYK framing's accuracy and it's also provocative in a way I don't think is positive for DYK. Josephus had a history of the Jews back in the Roman era, so why would you have DYK hook that says the first history was written by Protestants? Also,
all major publications of Jewish history have been influenced by the political climates of their respective times
isn't that true of all histories ever? And why would you write it like that? Andre🚐 14:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Any concern with ALT2? It is Yerushalmi's most famous phrase.
- ALT0 should have the word "modern" in there, thanks for pointing out.
- I agree that ALT1 is true of all histories and so not unique here. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- I oppose all 3. Don't you think that's a little provocative to be writing days before Yom Kippur about lapsed Jews? Andre🚐 19:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- This video is well worth watching; it is extremely well done. Professor David N. Myers, the Sady and Ludwig Kahn Chair in Jewish History at UCLA, opens with the statement that "Rare is the book that is spoken about with such reverence and such admiration 40 years later." If you don't have time to watch it all, skip to 46:40 for an interpretation of Yerushalmi's comment being quoted here. Further context is at [28] and [29]. Also pinging Oceanflynn who wrote our article on the book from which those oft-quoted words came. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- I also oppose all the suggestions above, but would hope that we can find a hook for Zakhov whose publication continues to be honoured through articles and scholarly events 10, 25, and even 40 years after its publication. A hook that is neither insensitive, inaccurate, etc but newsworthy will most likely be found in Myers or in a closer reading of the video suggested by Onceinawhile. I will look at this more closely and perhaps update the article.Oceanflynn (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I oppose all 3. Don't you think that's a little provocative to be writing days before Yom Kippur about lapsed Jews? Andre🚐 19:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Aleksander Barkov
- ... that Aleksander Barkov is the first player in franchise history to score 200 goals for the Florida Panthers? Source: Barkov's 200th NHL goal helps Panthers defeat Golden Knights "Barkov became the first player to score 200 goals for the Panthers."
- ALT1: ... that at the age of 27, Aleksander Barkov became the Florida Panthers' all-time leading scorer? Source: Barkov sets Panthers' all-time points record in win against Red Wings "Aleksander Barkov became the Florida Panthers' all-time leading scorer...Barkov had a second-period assist that gave him 614 points (238 goals, 376 assists), passing Jonathan Huberdeau (613 points; 198 goals, 415 assists)."
- ALT2: ... that upon making his Liiga debut at the age of 16, Aleksander Barkov surpassed a 37-year-old record by becoming the youngest player in the league to score a point? Source: Aleksander Barkov junior teki SM-liigahistoriaa "Barkov junior directed Makkonen's shot from in front of the Ässä goal into the net....At the same time, Tappara's own upbringing became the youngest scorer of all time in the SM league....Barkov scored his historic goal at the age of 16 years, one month and two days." (Finnish)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lycorma meliae
- Comment: Just want to thank DannyMusicEditor for having the patience to review this monstrous article. QPQ coming.
Improved to Good Article status by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Aleksander Barkov; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @HickoryOughtShirt?4: Good article. waiting on QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Onegreatjoke, QPQ done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 24
Mir nach, spricht Christus, unser Held
- ... that "Mir nach, spricht Christus, unser Held" (Follow me, says Christ, our hero) is a Christian hymn in German with a text by Angelus Silesius that uses sayings of Jesus in direct speech? Source: [30]
- ALT1: ... that although Angelus Silesius, who wrote "Mir nach, spricht Christus, unser Held", had left Protestantism, the hymn was used there first, but entered Catholicism only in 1938 in Kirchenlied? Source: same
- Reviewed: to come
- Comment: ALT0 for the simplicity that seems now the goal of DYK, ALT1 for a bit of cultural history and quirkiness.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mir nach, spricht Christus, unser Held; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
François Glorieux
- ... that François Glorieux was a Belgian pianist and improvisor, touring with André Cluytens, conductor of the BBC Radio Orchestra and Stan Kenton's band, and arranger for Michael Jackson? Source: several, Matrix is most complete
- Reviewed: Dave Rudden
- Comment: Impossible to bring all the fascinating things about him in 200 chars - help welcome.
Created by Jmanlucas (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/François Glorieux; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Neighbours 30th Anniversary
- ... that for the Neighbours 30th anniversary, Anne Charleston reprised her role as Madge Bishop, who appears as a figment of Harold Bishop's memory? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that over 20 regular characters, 70 extras and 7 stuntmen were brought in to film the opening scene of Neighbours' 30th anniversary? Source: [2]
- ALT2: ... that over 44 cast members, including celebrity chef Matt Preston, starred in the Neighbours 30th anniversary? Source: [3]
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: This is my first DYK nomination for the article I wrote that recently passed as GA. I hope it goes well!
Improved to Good Article status by Therealscorp1an (talk). Self-nominated at 22:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Neighbours 30th Anniversary; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: @Therealscorp1an: Good article. Not exactly a fan of alt0 but the other hooks are decent enough. Though, i'm not seeing where alt1 is cited in the source (also the source is youtube which is something). Nor does the source for alt2 seem to mention that over 44 cast members starred in the anniversary. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ Kilkelly, Daniel (18 March 2015). "Neighbours producer shares 30th anniversary gossip and teasers". Digital Spy. Retrieved 27 September 2023.
- ^ Fletcher, Alan; Mason, James; Dennis, Stefan (4 March 2015). Neighbours Backstage - Erinsborough Festival Disaster!. Neighbours via YouTube. Retrieved 27 September 2023.
- ^ Klompus, Jack (27 February 2015). "MasterChef Australia judge Matt Preston to appear on Neighbours". Digital Spy. Retrieved 27 September 2023.
- @Onegreatjoke: Hi, thanks for reviewing this! The sources were a long shot because the source only covers Matt Preston's appearance. The over 44 cast members is actually an amalgamation of a bunch of primary sources (the episodes themselves), which wouldn't actually cover all the cast members because a lot of the guest characters (like the Driver or Constable Ian McKay – see the article) were never going to be covered in media sources since, well, they're guest characters. These characters are mentioned in the article, but the episodes themselves serve as the reference. So, yeah, I was a bit iffy on that source, but it served well for Matt Preston and the episodes themselves serve as sources for other 43 cast members. Is there any way we could get around this or anything? Thanks a heap. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 03:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Smin Ye-Thin-Yan
- ... that King Razadarit of Hanthawaddy called Gen. Smin Ye-Thin-Yan the best defensive commander ever in his service? Source: Chronicle sources: (Yazawin Thit Vol. 1 2012: 248), (Hmannan Vol. 1 2003: 23)Academic source: (Fernquest 2006: 9) https://web.archive.org/web/20090219063323/http://web.soas.ac.uk/burma/4.1files/4.1fernquest.pdf
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Buck Wilkin
- Comment: In his 2006 article, the author Jon Ferquest citing (San Lwin 129) writes "Re Thinran an expert in defensive strategy." In the (cited) royal chronicles, the king called Ye-Thin-Yan (Re Thinran) his best defensive commander ever.
Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 03:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Smin Ye-Thin-Yan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Die Kuranten
- ... that the oldest Jewish newspaper was first published in 1686 in Amsterdam? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/23533539
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- Comment: Willing to finesse the language of the hook to something more eye-catching
5x expanded by Kazamzam (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Die Kuranten; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Not a review, but you might want to link the target article from your proposed hook. Schwede66 19:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Still not a review, but I've been wondering where "Die" in the title comes from. It's a definite article in German, but the Dutch don't use that. I'm wondering whether your reading of this German source somehow convinced you that the title should be Die Kuranten. Because if that's the case, well that's the source of your error / misunderstanding. Schwede66 21:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Schwede66:, thank you for your comment, I have linked the target article. To your second point, I didn't name or create the article. The Die of the title is the Yiddish definite plural article, although it is more commonly written today as di (Yiddish: די). Given that it's a Yiddish-language paper that seems appropriate, particularly different that the title is Kuranten (a plural noun) and that there are two forms of the publication, one published on Tuesdays and one on Fridays. It is also a title that has been used for the publication in English-language print since, per Google Books, 1985, if not earlier. I don't see how this is pertinent to the scope of the DYK review but I hope this clarifies your misunderstanding. Kazamzam (talk) 01:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. The target article is supposed to be linked in bold font. And given that it's a newspaper, it should be in italics, too, as per MOS:NAMESANDTITLES. Good to have clarified that "Die" is a definite article in Yiddish. It's not strictly necessary as part of the DYK review to sort out naming issues, but in a roundabout way, it is. When an article is on the main page, it gets thousands of eyes on it and if it's wrong, somebody will no doubt come along and fix it. Firstly, there's WP:DEFINITE and that suggests that "Die" shouldn't be part of the title. Chances are that someone will move the article while it's on the main page, and that would trigger WP:MPNOREDIRECT. Hence the item would turn up at WP:ERRORS, as only admins can fix redirects on the main page. As such, it's best to ensure that the title is correct before we put something up via DYK. With that in mind, do you believe that the article should be moved?
- And given that I'm commenting on all sorts of issues, I might as well do a proper review of this nomination. Schwede66 01:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think it needs to be changed given there are exceptions to WP:DEFINITE and one of these is The New York Times. Since the guideline explicitly mentions that newspapers are an exception to this, I think the current title is okay. I will double check in the archival material to confirm and get back to you. Thank you for your other suggestions and for being thorough. Kazamzam (talk) 01:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Expansion started yesterday and the article has gone from a short paragraph to a lot of prose; it's plenty long enough. The language is neutral. Referencing is not sufficient; I have tagged all paragraphs that are uncited but there is more content that ought to be referenced apart from those three instances. Earwig is clean. There is one prior DYK credit, hence a QPQ is not required. I cannot sign off on the hook; the source talks about the
oldest known Yiddish newspaper in the world
whereas the hook saysthe oldest Jewish newspaper
– those are different things. The hook is easy to fix; referencing will require a bit more work. Schwede66 02:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review. I have added references for each of your tags but I agree there could be more - the majority of the information came from the Pach thesis (2014) and I didn't want to over-cite the same source but there are limited references because it's such a niche topic. I will continue working on this throughout the week.
- The question of 'oldest Yiddish' vs. 'oldest Jewish' is contentious, but I think the sentence I have moved to the lede and the accompanying references make an argument for why this is the case, as opposed to Gazeta de Amsterdam. That is the oldest Yiddish publication is, as far as I have seen, undisputed in the scholarly literature and I am fine updating the hook to reflex that as more neutral language that would not be disputed. Kazamzam (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Lingang DRT
- ... that while the Lingang DRT (pictured) is designed to carry 300 passengers, in May 2023 a reporter observed it only carried around 30 people per trip on average? Source: Designed capacity of 300 passengers: https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_13375098 . May 2023 report: https://www.jfdaily.com/news/detail?id=613850
- ALT1: ... that a journey normally completed in 20 minutes by car and 40 minutes by bus instead took over one hour on the rapid transit system Lingang DRT (pictured)? Source: See May 2023 report above
- Reviewed: NA (4th DYK)
Moved to mainspace by S5A-0043 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lingang DRT; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 25
Asiavorator
- ... that the fossils of the prehistoric mammal Asiavorator have been assigned to four different genera since they were first discovered in 1924? Source: Egi, Naoko; Tsubamoto, Takehisa; Saneyoshi, Mototaka; Tsogtbaatar, Khishigjav; Watabe, Mahito; Mainbayar, Buuvei; Chinzorig, Tsogtbaatar; Khatanbaatar, Purevdorg (2016-02-17). "Taxonomic revisions on nimravids and small feliforms (Mammalia, Carnivora) from the Upper Eocene of Mongolia". Historical Biology. 28 (1–2): 105–119. doi:10.1080/08912963.2015.1012508. ISSN 0891-2963.
- ALT1: ... that although fossils of the extinct mammal Asiavorator were first found in 1922, the genus was not named until 73 years later in 1995? Source: Spassov, Nikolay; Lange-Badré, B. (1995). "Asiavorator altidens gen et sp. nov., un mammifere carnivore nouveau de l'Oligocene superieur de Mongolie". Annales de Paleontologie (in French). 81 (3): 109–123.
- Reviewed:
5x expanded by Olmagon (talk). Self-nominated at 20:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Asiavorator; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Articles created/expanded on September 26
Randy Huntington
- ... that Randy Huntington coached three athletes to break the world records in the long jump, triple jump and the 60 metres split? Source: https://www.mtexpress.com/sports/for-haileys-randy-huntington-timing-is-everything/article_ddf8e278-676e-11ec-a02b-97216a62cfe9.html
Created by Imcdc (talk). Self-nominated at 12:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Randy Huntington; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Igbo literature
- ... that History of the Mission of the Evangelical Brothers in the Caribbean by C. G. A. Oldendorp was the first book to publish Igbo language terms in 1777? Source: Oraka, Louis Nnamdi (1983). The Foundations of Igbo Studies: A Short History of the Study of Igbo Language and Culture. University Publishing Co. p. 21. ISBN 978-160-264-3.
- Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Reading Beans (talk). Self-nominated at 20:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Igbo literature; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The Story Teller (painting)
- ... that The Story Teller is the highest-priced Indian artwork globally? Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/amrita-sher-gils-the-story-teller-is-now-the-most-expensive-indian-painting-oil-on-canvas-masterpiece-fetches-rs-61-8-cr-at-delhi-auction/articleshow/103770939.cms?from=mdr
- ALT... that The Story Teller is the highest-priced modern Indian artwork? Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/amrita-sher-gils-the-story-teller-is-now-the-most-expensive-indian-painting-oil-on-canvas-masterpiece-fetches-rs-61-8-cr-at-delhi-auction/articleshow/103770939.cms?from=mdr
- ALT1... that the artwork 'The Story Teller' sold for Rs 61.8 crore, making it the most expensive modern Indian artwork? Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/amrita-sher-gils-the-story-teller-is-now-the-most-expensive-indian-painting-oil-on-canvas-masterpiece-fetches-rs-61-8-cr-at-delhi-auction/articleshow/103770939.cms?from=mdr
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Story Teller (painting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment only - Please convert the money out of just crore, per MOS:CRORE. I suspect this should be "highest-priced modern Indian artwork", and what work is "globally" doing in the sentence? Johnbod (talk) 00:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Sinderella
- ... that Jim Davidson's Sinderella Comes Again was his second work to peak at No. 52 on a UK chart?
Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 06:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sinderella; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The full hook review is to follow, but is there any other possible hook option for this article? A song charting at 52 doesn't really seem that impressive, and even more so to people unfamiliar with the artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm currently working on User:Launchballer/Dianne Lee, I'm aiming for something like "... that Dianne Lee has played Cinderella in Cinderella and Sinderella". Alternatively, "that Jim Davidson conceived Sinderella in front of Charlie Drake or "that Sinderella is "a rotten pumpkin", but I'll take a further look when I'm done with that article.--Launchballer 10:19, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I've published Lee's article, but I've found something else more interesting for that. For this, I suggest
- ALT1: ... that Jim Davidson's Sinderella featured a flatulent Fairy Godmother?
- ALT2: ... that Jim Davidson split up with his fourth wife after having an affair with his Sinderella co-star?
- ALT3: ... that the original cast of the adult pantomime Sinderella had all reprised their roles from civilised versions of the play?
- ALT4: ... that the adult pantomime Sinderella featured Charlie Drake as Baron Hardon?
- ALT5: ... that Jim Davidson has had both a patois cover of "White Christmas" and a sexually explicit derivative of Cinderella reach No. 52 in UK charts?
- ALT6: ... that the plot of the 2015 play Sinderella 2: A Scottish Romp focused on Sinderella's inability to attend a ball to meet "Bonnie Prince Long Cock" on the grounds that she was menstruating?
- Narutolovehinata5: Take your pick. ALT5 could work very well as a Christmas hook.--Launchballer 12:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- My preference is ALT1. ALT2 might be a BLP violation and the other hooks seem niche, other than ALT5 which is still fine but I think doesn't have the unusualness or catchiness of ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:11, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm currently working on User:Launchballer/Dianne Lee, I'm aiming for something like "... that Dianne Lee has played Cinderella in Cinderella and Sinderella". Alternatively, "that Jim Davidson conceived Sinderella in front of Charlie Drake or "that Sinderella is "a rotten pumpkin", but I'll take a further look when I'm done with that article.--Launchballer 10:19, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 27
Richard Worley (police officer)
- ... that Richard Worley (pictured) graduated from Oklahoma City University with a degree in criminal justice, played in minor baseball leagues, and is now the commissioner of the Baltimore Police Department? Source: [31] (paywalled but archive should bypass that)
- ALT1: ... that Richard Worley (pictured) unsuccessfully applied to become the chief of two different police departments before finally becoming the commissioner of the Baltimore Police Department? Source: [32] (same source, paywalled but archive should bypass that)
- Reviewed: N/A (only my second nomination)
- Comments: Please ping on reply. Picture fully optional.
Created by ClydeFranklin (talk). Self-nominated at 05:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Richard Worley (police officer); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Niftski
- ... that Niftski was the first person to beat Super Mario Bros. in under four minutes and fifty-five seconds? Source: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/04/new-super-mario-bros-record-breaks-speedrunnings-four-minute-mile/
Created by Siroxo (talk). Self-nominated at 05:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Niftski; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Permafrost
- ... that there are around 20,000 sites containing toxic materials that are frozen in the permafrost, many of which are expected to start thawing and releasing their pollutants in the near future? Source: .[1] (From "Release of toxic pollutants" section of the article.)
- Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by InformationToKnowledge (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Permafrost; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
References
- ^ Langer, Morit; Schneider von Deimling, Thomas; Westermann, Sebastian; Rolph, Rebecca; Rutte, Ralph; Antonova, Sofia; Rachold, Volker; Schultz, Michael; Oehme, Alexander; Grosse, Guido (28 March 2023). "Thawing permafrost poses environmental threat to thousands of sites with legacy industrial contamination". Nature Communications. 14 (1): 1721. Bibcode:2023NatCo..14.1721L. doi:10.1038/s41467-023-37276-4. PMC 10050325. PMID 36977724.
If I Survive You
- ... that The New Yorker called Jonathan Escoffery's debut book If I Survive You "thrillingly free"? Source: Waldman, Katy (2022-08-29). "Jonathan Escoffery's Surprising Stories of Desperation". The New Yorker. Retrieved 2023-09-27.
- ALT: ... that NPR favorably compared part of Jonathan Escoffery's debut If I Survive You to Moby Dick?" Source: Corrigan, Maureen (September 9, 2022). "'If I Survive You' is a sweeping portrait of a family's fight to make it in America". NPR. Retrieved May 20, 2023.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/United States Conciliation Service
Moved to mainspace by Wanterlust678 (talk) and The ed17 (talk). Nominated by The ed17 (talk) at 19:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/If I Survive You; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Bold the article link please! Most of the article is an unreferenced plot summary - is this acceptable? Johnbod (talk) 00:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 28
Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng
- ... that Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng inspired Barack Obama? Source: In 2018, U.S. President Barack Obama described Hong as one of the young people worldwide who inspired him https://apnews.com/article/vietnam-climate-activist-prison-jailed-5f18dcbcbc839de4c479c475b8b552f6
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Plant (2nd nomination) - to be confirmed
- Comment: Translated from the Vietnamese article
Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hoang Thi Minh Hong; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
WDIG (AM)
- ... that an Alabama radio station was a "no-format mess"? Source: https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Billboard/70s/1970/Billboard%201970-03-07.pdf#page=32 (not directly linked in favor of ProQuest)
- ALT1: ... that an Alabama radio station switched to broadcasting gospel music though it had no gospel albums to play? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dothan-eagle-wwnt-radio-broadcast-fu/132549583/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Greenpeace Lyng GM maize action
5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 06:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/WDIG (AM); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 29
Shostakovich v. Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
... that four Russian composers called the makers of the 1948 Cold War film The Iron Curtain "American reactionaries" for using their music without their permission?Source: Daniel J. Leab, "The Iron Curtain (1948): Hollywood's First Cold War Movie", p. 174. "The composers found their protest limited, as one writer later put it, 'to an angry letter to the Editor of Ivestia.' They charged that 'American reactionaries have decided to supplement anti-Soviet forgeries on which their film is based by stealing our works.'"- ALT1: ... that the first United States court case to recognize moral rights in authorship involved the use of music by four Soviet composers in the 1948 Cold War film The Iron Curtain? Source: Mira T. Sundara Rajan, Moral Rights: Principles, Practice and New Technology, p. 142. "Shostakovich was the first recognition of the moral rights principle in U.S. law; it saw an open-ended exploration of the idea of moral rights."
- ALT2: ... that a New York court refused to prohibit distribution of the 1948 Cold War film The Iron Curtain, while a French court banned it? Source: Peter Baldwin, The Copyright Wars: Three Centuries of Trans-Atlantic Battle, p. 1. "When Shostakovich sued in the United States, he failed. ... But in France a court ascertained 'moral damage.' The film was banned and the composers were awarded damages."
- ALT3: ... that a Soviet-affiliated arts agent in the United States attempted to stop release of the 1948 Cold War film The Iron Curtain before four Soviet composers filed a lawsuit against the film's distributor? Source: Kiril Tomoff, "Shostakovich and The Iron Curtain: Intellectual Property and Transimperial Integration", Virtuosi Abroad: Soviet Music and Imperial Competition During the Early Cold War, 1945–1958, pp. 25-27.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ not required.
5x expanded by Voorts (talk). Self-nominated at 23:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shostakovich v. Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Currently reading this article and will return with a review shortly. One minor issue for now: strictly speaking, the composers in question were not Soviet, but Soviet. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for catching that. I'm also withdrawing the first option per a discussion on the article talk page. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: changed Russian to Soviet throughout. I think I prefer ALT2 over ALT1 at this point. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: Article was expanded over 5x and nominated within the required period. Earwig detects "violation possible", but closer reading confirms that this is only because of material quoted properly within this article. My preference is for either ALT 1 or ALT2. Final approval pending correction of the former's demonym to Soviet. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Dave Barney
- ... that when Bob and Dave Barney won multiple intramural swimming races, their university recruiter reportedly did not realize they were twins? Source: https://theacademyadvocate.com/7195/sports/dave-barney-set-to-retire/
- Reviewed: Harris Turner and Red Hill Band
- Comment: I volunteer two QPQ credits for one nomination, to help reduce the backlog of nominations without reviews.
Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 23:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dave Barney; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Claude J. Crenshaw
- ... that Claude J. Crenshaw shot down four enemy aircraft in a mission with only three of the six guns in his P-51 Mustang working, during World War II? Source: Fighter Bases of WW II US 8th Army Air Force Fighter Command USAAF, 1943–45 P-38 Lightning, P-47 Thunderbolt and P-51 Mustang Squadrons in East Anglia, Cambridgeshire and Northamptonshire
- ALT1: ... that with only three of the six guns in his P-51 Mustang working during a dogfight, Claude J. Crenshaw managed to shoot down four enemy aircraft? Source: Fighter Bases of WW II US 8th Army Air Force Fighter Command USAAF, 1943–45 P-38 Lightning, P-47 Thunderbolt and P-51 Mustang Squadrons in East Anglia, Cambridgeshire and Northamptonshire
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Takahiro Nishikawa
Created by Toadboy123 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Claude J. Crenshaw; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Dianne Lee
- ... that Dianne Lee had her name changed from Melody to avoid seeming like a reggae act? Source: https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-UK/Music/Archive-Music-Week-IDX/IDX/1975/Music-Week-1975-11-15-IDX-28.pdf
Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 11:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dianne Lee; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on September 30
Mohammed Khalid Roashan
- ... that M. Khalid Roashan (pictured), who served as President of the Department of Tribal Affairs in the Afghan 1965–1967 government, had graduated from the University of Nebraska and UCLA? Source: Roshan Becomes Deputy Information Minister. Kabul Times, May 18, 1968. pp. 1, 4
Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 16:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mohammed Khalid Roashan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The Sims 2: Seasons
- ... that British singer-songwriter Lily Allen released the first Simlish-language music video for The Sims 2: Seasons? Source: Guinness World Records (10 September 2015). "The Sims". Guinness World Records 2016: Gamer's Edition. London, United Kingdom: Guinness World Records Limited. p. 145. ISBN 978-1-910561-09-6.
- ALT1: ... that the first Simlish-language music video was released for The Sims 2: Seasons? Source: as ALT0
- ALT2: ... that PlantSims, human-plant hybrids in The Sims 2: Seasons, have been analysed as examples of ecofeminism and deep ecology? Source: Bianchi, Melissa (26 November 2014). "Rhetoric and recapture: theorising digital game ecologies through EA's The Sims series". Green Letters: Studies in Ecocriticism. 18 (3): 209–220. doi:10.1080/14688417.2014.963881.
- ALT2a: ... that PlantSims, human-plant hybrids in The Sims 2: Seasons, have been studied as examples of ecofeminism and deep ecology? Source: as ALT2
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Burt Messer
- Comment: I think I land at liking ALT2/ALT2a most, but I'm not sure if it's a recognizable enough juxtaposition (the ideas aren't especially mainstream). On the other hand, "mainstream video game analysed through little-known academic lens" is a juxtaposition in itself.
Converted from a redirect by Vaticidalprophet (talk). Self-nominated at 05:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Sims 2: Seasons; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on October 1
Cube sugar
- ... that sugar cubes were used to deliver polio vaccine? Source: Grigorieva, Alexandra (2015). "sugar cubes". The Oxford Companion to Sugar and Sweets. Oxford University Press: "At midcentury the cubes became a vehicle for delivering the polio vaccine, and later for delivering LSD"
- ALT1: ... that the inventor of cube sugar was driven by his wife's injury? Source: Kennedy, Pagan (November 16, 2012). "Who Made That Sugar Cube?". The New York Times Magazine: "In the 1840s, progress was made when Juliana Rad, who was married to the head of a sugar refinery in Moravia, cut a finger while chopping sugar."
- ALT2: ... that the first manufacturer of cube sugar went bankrupt, and the second one came close? Source: Part 1: Drahoňovská, Lucie Pantazopoulou (2018). "From Round to Square". Fehler. Goethe-Institut: "the Datschitz company went bankrupt. Rad returned to Vienna in the autumn of 1846" Part 2: Chalmin, P. (1990). "Thames Refinery and the Cubes". The Making of a Sugar Giant: Tate and Lyle, 1859-1989. Harwood Academic Publishers: "We only know that Henry Tate went through a rough financial period [while opening the factory]"
- ALT3: ... that architects reinvent the sugar-cube metaphor every few years? Source: Jencks, C. (2002). The New Paradigm in Architecture: The Language of Post-modernism. Yale University Press: "the metaphor of stacking rooms like bricks or sugar cubes has re-emerged every five years or so ever since Walter Gropius proposed it in 1922"
- Reviewed:
Converted from a redirect by Викидим (talk). Self-nominated at 07:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cube sugar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Sealord Group
- ... that if the acquisition of Independent Fisheries by the Sealord Group is successful, it will be the largest seafood business in New Zealand? Source: https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-christchurch/sealord-moves-acquire-christchurch-based-independent-fisheries
- Reviewed: TBA
- Comment: Unsure about a possible WP:CRYSTALBALL issue. It doesn't seem like speculation as the deal has gone through, although not yet approved.
Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sealord Group; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Dankeskirche (Sebaldsbrück)
- ... that a 1937 proposal to name a small church in Bremen after Horst Wessel provoked a fierce dispute with the local Nazi Party leadership? Source: Reijo E. Heinonen. Anpassung und Identität: Theologie u. Kirchenpolitik d. Bremer Dt. Christen 1933-1945. Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1978. pp. 124-131
Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 1 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dankeskirche (Sebaldsbrück); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Smalltime
- ... that Russell Shorto's mobster grandfather was described by one reviewer as the "holy trinity of a reprobate—a drunk, a philanderer, and a cheat" in the 2021 family memoir Smalltime? Source: City Journal
- ALT1: ... that two reviewers described Russell Shorto's 2021 family memoir Smalltime as fresh, despite the mafia media space already crowded by other memoirs according to one reviewer? Source: WSJ, Booklist
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Juana Summers
Created by Therapyisgood (talk). Self-nominated at 16:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Smalltime; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- @Therapyisgood: QPQ is done, article is good except there is a missing citation at the end of the 'Overview' section which needs to be addressed. Hook matches source and article. Article is also new/long enough and Earwig's tool finds no copyright violations, no paraphrasing is apparant. Also should note that the image in the article is believed to be fair use, but is not used in the DYK so it should be fine.
- @Panamitsu: I was confused on this too but apparently the overview/plot summary doesn't need citing, see the FA Archaeology, Anthropology, and Interstellar Communication for instance. Additionally I said at WT that I was a bit concerned the original hook was airing dirty laundry. Therapyisgood (talk) 03:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 2
DeLancey W. Gill
- ... that despite having no professional training or experience, DeLancey W. Gill (pictured) was appointed to take thousands of photographs for the Smithsonian Institution? Source: From "De Lancey W. Gill: Photographer for the Bureau of American Ethnology. History of Photography.", pg 8-9"How Gill learned photography is not entirely clear. Perhaps an answer is provided in his assertion that his artistic and scientific accomplishments proceeded largely from self-teaching." (pg 8.)"Thus Gill received his subjects, sometimes as many as 300 a year. His total production is not counted, but it is estimated to include between 2000 and 3000 portraits." (pg 9.)
- Reviewed:
Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/DeLancey W. Gill; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Dan Fable
- ... that the ex-joiner Dan Fable built his own recording studio?
5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dan Fable; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Launchballer, I am not reviewing this but I have some suggestions. I would recommend Wikilinking Joinery because this seems to be a British term that might not be universally known. I would also recommend a different more interesting hook like: ALT1: ... that after spending time in prison as a youth, Dan Fable built his own recording studio and started his own record label? This is because just building your own recording studio, while interesting, doesn't mean much if nothing was done with it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 12:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Dan Fable had to complete "Low Down" very quickly after Venbee uploaded part of it online?
- ALT2: ... that in 2017, Dan Fable opened a videography company offering two live music videos and a photoshoot for £100?
- ALT3: ... that Dan Fable started singing in prison? --Launchballer 12:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Cross site leaks
- ... that cross site leaks can be used to gain information about your web browsing habits ? Source: https://xsleaks.dev/docs/attacks/cache-probing/#:~:text=If%20an%20attacker%20can%20detect,more%20accurate%20and%20impactful%20attacks.
- Reviewed:
5x expanded by Sohom Datta (talk). Self-nominated at 07:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cross site leaks; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Noting that this is my first ever nomination, so let me know if I have messed up somewhere -- Sohom (talk) 07:43, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Also noting that this is something I tend to work on IRL so let me know if the article is too technical ? -- Sohom (talk) 08:11, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 3
Independent Fisheries
- ... that due to damages from the 2011 Christchurch earthquake, Independent Fisheries had to close its factory of 200 workers in Woolston, New Zealand? Source: https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9381202/Tears-shed-over-200-lost-jobs
- Reviewed: TBA
Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 03:50, 3 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Independent Fisheries; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
North Nias Regency
- ... that North Nias Regency demolished its own government buildings in 2018 for "sacrifice"? Source: https://www.wartanias.com/2018/07/ibu-kota-nias-utara-ditata-sejumlah.html
- Reviewed:
- Comment: New 5x expansion, needs CE. I know the hook and the source is kinda touching towards SYNTH, if anyone also has suggestion for other possible hooks please do. QPQ soon
Created by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 00:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/North Nias Regency; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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