Removing featured lists in Wikipedia This page is for the review and improvement of featured lists that may no longer meet the featured list criteria. FLs should be kept at current standards, regardless of when they were promoted. Any objections raised in the review must be actionable. The FLC director, Giants2008, or his delegates, PresN and The Rambling Man, determine the exact timing of the process for each nomination. Nominations will last at least 14 days, and longer where changes are ongoing and it seems useful to continue the process. For a nomination to be kept, consensus must be reached that it still meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the delegates determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list, archived and added to Former featured lists if, in the judgment of the director who considers a nomination and its reviews:
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List of Carolina Panthers seasons
I am nominating this for featured list removal because it fails a number of criteria:
- 1. Prose: the prose is not professional, with short choppy sentences, as well as long run-on sentences.
- 2. Lead: the Lead could use some work, maybe highlighting some key coaches or eras of the team's existence. Also, needs to be updated.
- 3b. Comprehensiveness: primary issue here, the list lacks any inline citations in the lead and limited inline citations in the table (just to a few of the awards). Excluding source 5, all the other inline cites are to dead links. The general list of references include a few dead links as well. It is also very unclear where the whole table itself is cited to.
- 4. Structure: the structure of the table doesn't coincide with the accepted structure of these lists, specifically the summary of total wins. Also, the inclusion of "owners" doesn't seem consistent with other season lists.
- Accessibility: the list lacks all accessibility features expected of WP:FL today, both in the table, in the legend (using just colors) and no alt text on the lone photo.
The list was nominated 15 years ago when standards were quite different. That said, the complete lack of sourcing and accessibility issues bring this up to becoming a need to either improve or delist. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- This definitely needs a near total rework. I might have some time to take a stab at resolving these problems, but as-is there's clearly problems. Toa Nidhiki05 18:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Just as a heads-up, Gonzo_fan2007, I'm taking up the challenge here. I've reworked the table to be compliant with policy - I think. Take a look and let me know. It now has proper citations and formatting, and I removed the owner column. I've also reworked the entire lead, adding citations to all claims. I also added the alt text. Let me know if anything else is needed. Toa Nidhiki05 19:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Wow! Nice (quick!) work Toa Nidhiki05. A few more nitpicky things:
- You can use the {{Abbrlink}} template for the player/coach awards (i.e. COTY )
- In the legend, add a non-breaking space before the icon (i.e. Conference champions #). Also do this in the table or make it superscript.
- Use the {{Win–loss record}} template for all the records in the table.
- Note b should be added to the 2019 coaches.
- You can link List of Carolina Panthers head coaches in the header of the table.
- You could add a few notes clarifying some things. Other season lists have notes for when coaches have been fired mid-season and when the NFL has changed the number of games in a season. See List of Green Bay Packers seasons for a few examples.
- Ref 25 needs an access-date.
- I'm not sure the list of general references or the external link is necessary anymore. I also have seen a "See also" section with History of the Carolina Panthers in it.
- I don't have any major qualms with it after those items. Amazing work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hey Gonzo_fan2007, I believe I've handled all of these except the Win-loss record in table. Not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean in the coaches column? Toa Nidhiki05 02:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, in the coaches column. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done. That should be the last one. Toa Nidhiki05 04:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have no more comments Toa Nidhiki05. Kudos to you for knocking this out so quickly! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done. That should be the last one. Toa Nidhiki05 04:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, in the coaches column. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hey Gonzo_fan2007, I believe I've handled all of these except the Win-loss record in table. Not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean in the coaches column? Toa Nidhiki05 02:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Wow! Nice (quick!) work Toa Nidhiki05. A few more nitpicky things:
- Just as a heads-up, Gonzo_fan2007, I'm taking up the challenge here. I've reworked the table to be compliant with policy - I think. Take a look and let me know. It now has proper citations and formatting, and I removed the owner column. I've also reworked the entire lead, adding citations to all claims. I also added the alt text. Let me know if anything else is needed. Toa Nidhiki05 19:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
List of colonial governors of New Jersey
- Notified: primary author is banned so not notified, DavidinNJ, WP Biography, WP Lists, WP New Jersey, WP USA
The original FL nominator back in 2013 was ColonelHenry who has been banned for hoaxing/fake references. See Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/archive 14#Proposal for procedural FARs on ColonelHenry FAs and the various FARs for background. This found the FAs written by this user to have massive original research/source-text integrity issues; the sourcing in work by this nominator cannot be trusted. Hog Farm Talk 19:14, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delist. I see lots of references to offline books. Until someone goes through this article line-by-line and marking what's verified and what isn't, it's better to be safe than sorry. SnowFire (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delist. per nom. Idiosincrático (talk) 05:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
List of chief ministers from the Bharatiya Janata Party
- Notified: Vibhijain, WikiProject Indian politics
This FL has major sourcing issues. Since its promotion in 2013 (reference), it has relied almost exclusively on worldstatesmen.org, a site which was deprecated in a 2020 RfC. Therefore, the list no longer meets WP:RS (and therefore WP:V), which is a prerequisite for FL consideration. Since the nominator was blocked in 2020, please feel free to notify others who may be better positioned to comment/help. RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delist per above. Hog Farm Talk 19:08, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delist Table, sources, formatting, this list needs lots of improvement.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 04:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delist The article cannot guarantee Stability in all cases and I am of the opinion that it needs a better table formatting. 456legendtalk 10:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
List of Cricket World Cup records
- Notified: WikiProject Cricket, Vimalkalyan (FL nominator in 2007).
This became an FL in 2007 and kept as an FL in 2009, when the standards were nowhere near today's standards. At the time, the article had more focus, rather than today where the article just includes indiscriminate amounts of WP:TRIVIA. Most of these stats are sourced entirely to ESPNcricinfo, which in part is because too many of the stats listed aren't interesting enough to a broad audience to be featured in any non-database publications. And apart from the lead, there is almost no text to explain the endless numbers of tables. Of the main article sections:
- "Team records" section is mostly okay, as it focuses on the main records that people would expect to see. However, things like "Kings of league" are trivia, and that one is also unsourced
- "Bowling" Overall section has so much junk- like 4 wicket hauls, which are not generally counted (as five-wicket hauls are, and they're already listed) and "Most consecutive matches taking at least one wicket", which is just trivia.
- "Fielding" section is mostly okay, as it's concise
- "Partnership" section is again concise
- "Other" section is basically just being used as a catch all for whatever trivia people can find farming through ESPNcricinfo database. The worst offender being a grounds list which is all English grounds because England has hosted the WC way more times than anyone else. No encyclopedic value to most of these stats
In terms of the FL criteria, my assessment is as follows (pass/?/fail is my assessment of the criteria):
- Prose: the prose that is there is acceptable (Overall:pass)
- Lead: the text in the lead is acceptable, though some of it is not sourced anywhere in the article (Overall:?)
- Comprehensiveness:
it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items
- no, as it's just tables without text to accompany it (Overall:fail)statements are sourced where they appear,
- mostly yes, albeit just to databases. Some stats are using WP:SYNTH e.g. for the Australia streak where the source lists 34 matches, but the article claims 27 win streak by removing some ties/no results. Needs a proper source to say they are counted as winning 27 wins in a row (Overall:?)In length and/or topic, it meets all of the requirements for stand-alone lists
Not enough text in this article, tables alone are not sufficient in lists, they must be accompanied by significant amounts of explanatory text (Overall:fail)
- Structure: lots of tables in the player records section not using {{Sortname}} for player names, so are sorting by the player's country not their surname. No row or column headers which are needed for good accessibility (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Data tables tutorial/Internal guidelines#Making relevant row headers). Also, too many stats and sections, so difficult to navigate (Overall:fail)
- Style:
- Visual appeal: Very little text and way too many tables, thus no visual appeal (Overall:fail)
- Media files: A few relevant images, though captions could be more explanatory about their relevance to this article e.g. what CWC records do they hold, rather than just saying "This is Ricky Ponting". Images also lack WP:ALTTEXT (Overall:?)
- Stability: Some editing due to ongoing 2023 Cricket World Cup, but no edit warring (Overall:pass)
Therefore, it seems clear to me that unless a massive overhaul of this article is done, to focus scope, remove trivia and greatly increase the amount of prose related to the statistics tables, thus article is well short of current criteria to be a FL. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Based on a first look, the list suffers from being too long and without enough context. I don't feel confident that I understand FL criteria at all, but there are examples of where this list is simply a bunch of statistical tables with pretty flags, many of which have too many columns in them anyway - for example, the run scorers table could easily lose the average, 50s and 100s columns and one of the matches or innings columns; it probably doesn't need the rank column either as there are just five listed and I don't actually see the need for sortability either.
Some the tables (King of tournament, for example) I don't actually understand what they're showing. With some consensus about which tables to remove and a commitment to watch the article we could probably get somewhere close to a reasonable list (and I'm willing to do this alone if necessary), but I imagine this might be better delisted first and then anyone who has an actually commitment to featured listing could re-nominate it perhaps. But there's probably no point even attempting that until after the current tournament is complete Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- My take on these issues:
- I don't think FLCR #3 is an issue; FLs only need annotations
where appropriate
, but if the tables are sufficiently self-explanatory, no prose is needed, and I've certainly never seen the assertion that a FL needs "significant amounts of explanatory text" (for instance, I worked on a recently promoted FL that lists almost 400 items and has minimal/zero prose outside the lead, and no concerns were raised). - The overall list structure is fine but table formatting is a mess (this spills into visual appeal as well). The team records tables are closest to good formatting, but they are missing row/column scopes and table headings, and several inappropriately use rows at the bottom spanning the full width as footers/notes. Other sections are worse (I'm particularly interested to know how the sorting arrows under Partnership were hidden – never seen that and it's definitely wrong).
- I don't know enough about cricket to know if all of these stats are relevant, but I wouldn't be surprised if some are trivial.
- References are out of date in many cases; access dates should fall after the most recent date for the section they cite.
- I don't think FLCR #3 is an issue; FLs only need annotations
- It doesn't look like much has changed in the month or so since the FLCR page was created, so I'm leaning towards delisting. But The Rambling Man did a lot to update the list during its first FLRC period in 2009, so I think he deserves a notification and a chance to respond alongside the original nominator. RunningTiger123 (talk) 06:24, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I suppose one option would be to revert back to the last FL state, update the records and then have a think about what else might want to be added? That's probably the least painful version if we want to maintain this as FL Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Even then, it's tricky; FLs were not held to the same standard in 2009 as they are now, so there are still issues (missing rowscopes, poor table structures [using line breaks to line up different cells], some MOS issues), and adding four tournaments' worth of stats is no small ask itself. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- I gave this 15 minutes or so and came to the cam conclusion really. It's possible perhaps to rescue this, but for something that I don't really think has much value anyway, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Delist this and then at least we can gut the worst of this. Blue Square Thing (talk) 03:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)