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Current discussions
December 13
Userbox section
- Template:User line (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Userboxbreak (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Userboxgroup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Ubx-section (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:User line, Template:Userboxbreak and Template:Userboxgroup with Template:Ubx-section.
Template:Ubx-section merges Template:User line, Template:Userboxbreak and Template:Userboxgroup, with some upgrades.
In absence of given parameters, this template renders a simple Template:User line; otherwise it works as a more versatile and customizable version of Template:Userboxgroup.
The optional sub-parameters |Background=
, |Color=
and |Main=Y
allow new additional layouts. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 10:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Not as currently implemented The "replacement" has rendering significantly different from Template:Userboxbreak, and creates different document structure too. Anomie⚔ 12:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Anomie: Yeah, the new template is mostly based on Template:Userboxgroup and Template:User line, but the latter and Template:Userboxbreak are not very different, that's why I included it too. Template:Userboxbreak is slightly more spaced, but not relevantly. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 13:02, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Int:dot-separator
- Template:Int:dot-separator (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions. No template parameters, documentation, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Content is just a couple of characters. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:02, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Has been intended for {{Navbox}}, to use as separators between x · y.
- I was copying a few modules, and came across this template on MediaWiki, so thought it could be useful.
- - I have no objection for deletion, just thought it to be useful. Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 ✉️ 09:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- It is transcluded in User:Pppery/noinclude list but doubt it has a big impact. Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 ✉️ 09:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- With
|listclass=hlist
that already happens automatically, we don't need a template for that. Gonnym (talk) 09:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC) - Also, what you were looking for is MediaWiki:Dot-separator. Gonnym (talk) 09:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- With
- Delete. This isn't needed in {{Navbox}}. Gonnym (talk) 09:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
December 12
Template:Mariupol in the Russo-Ukrainian War
- Template:Mariupol in the Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Navbox with no transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in June 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep and add to articles. I made it but got sidetracked. I think it would be OK to connect these articles with a navbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Diplomatic missions in Mozambique
- Template:Diplomatic missions in Mozambique (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
After redirects were removed, this template only contains 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 22:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Double soft redirect
- Template:Double soft redirect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
The purpose of this redirect, from my understanding, is not something we should be doing on Wikipedia. In all my years working with redirects, a title will be one of three things: 1) a page with content, 2) a disambiguation page, or 3) a redirect to one page. Using this templates makes it seem the title should hold either a disambiguation page or a redirect to only one page (and its target having a hatnote directing readers to any other pages, if necessary.) With that being said, there are currently only 2 transclusions of this template in the article space and 1 in the "Wikipedia:" space (the rest are either in the "User:" or "User talk:" spaces, which the transclusions in those spaces should probably be completely erased), and they both could be replaced with either disambiguation pages or redirects to one of its pages and a hatnote placed on the target page (and this should apply to Wikipedia and any of our sister projects.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:FIFA World Ranking leaders (UEFA)
- Template:FIFA World Ranking leaders (UEFA) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Extended periodic table (by Aufbau, 50 columns, period 9)
- Template:Extended periodic table (by Aufbau, 50 columns, period 9) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions. Created in 2017. It is possible that this was used only in one of the many periodic table templates that were recently deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Eoarchean graphical timeline
- Template:Eoarchean graphical timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Blockvars
- Template:Blockvars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2007. Possibly superseded by another template or process. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Vectorman
- Template:Vectorman (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Only links the three videogames, the software houses are filler. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 13:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (as creator). The software developer listed are deeply tied to the games. The respective games development sections cover this in great detail. They're worth listing on there, and the template is worth keeping. Sergecross73 msg me 13:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- The template is only transcluded on three pages, the software developers are not and should not be, and for that reason should not be in the template. The same way we wouldn't put a studio on a TV or film series navbox, or a publishing house on a novel series navbox. --woodensuperman 13:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Also, there is no article on the series, which is one of the criteria for a WP:NAVBOX. --woodensuperman 13:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- What part of NAVBOX is requiring a series article? I'm not seeing that, nor have I ever heard of that... Sergecross73 msg me 13:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Item 4:
There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.
--woodensuperman 14:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)- That does not say it's a requirement, it's just one of many criteria for guidance on making a good one. It meets all the rest, and there's no requirement to meet them all. Sergecross73 msg me 14:10, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- It's quote a major criteria though. In any case, we don't need a navbox to navigate between three articles. The articles are already well linked. --woodensuperman 14:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, it's not. It's the fourth point out of five, on a guideline that goes out of its way to say "Good navboxes generally follow most or all of these guidelines". It follows most 4 out of 5. That's "most". There's very clearly a core, central concept connecting these six items. That is what matters. Sergecross73 msg me 14:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, what matters is the correct use of a navbox, which is to provide navigation between existing articles. This provides navigation between three articles, and navigates away to three others which shouldn't even be there, and which are sufficiently linked in the relevant articles. WP:NENAN. --woodensuperman 14:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Also bear in mind that the inclusion of these three software houses goes against nearly all of the criteria for WP:NAVBOX. --woodensuperman 14:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- It navigates between articles just fine. Sega is too broad to have them template, but it could absolutely be added to the BlueSky Software and Pseudo Interactive, which both lived and died around the franchise. There's other things that could be added too. It had a well documented rivalry with Donkey Kong Country, has been included in a number of Sega themed compilations Sega Genesis Collection for example.) This is simply an WP:SURMOUNTABLE concern. Sergecross73 msg me 14:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Vectorman isn't even mentioned at Sega and only mentioned as one of a long list at BlueSky Software, so it would be WP:UNDUE to add this to the software house articles. So like I said, it only navigates between three articles. The other three articles are navbox filler that you are using to justify your creation of this. Is there an article on the rivalry between Vectorman and Donkey Kong County? No! If there was, then by all means include it, as that would be worthy of navbox inclusion. But WP:WTAF. Delete, delete, delete. --woodensuperman 15:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Are you even reading what I'm saying? I literally said not to put it in Sega's article. Both developer articles are woefully under-developed, but their deep ties to the series is well documented in the Vectorman articles themselves. Sergecross73 msg me 15:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. But I don't think you're reading what I'm writing. In my very first reply I pointed out that we wouldn't put a studio on a TV or film series navbox, or a publishing house on a novel series navbox, the same parallel should be drawn here with software houses. And I note you're not advocating adding such links to {{Sonic the Hedgehog}} or {{Super Mario}} for example. It's just filler. --woodensuperman 15:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've read what you said just fine, I just don't agree. My argument is that the developers are more closely tied to the subject than usual, and there are other things that could be added, making this a surmountable issue. No idea how a Sonic template has anything to do with this. What a bizarre WP:OSE tangent to bring up. Sergecross73 msg me 15:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. But I don't think you're reading what I'm writing. In my very first reply I pointed out that we wouldn't put a studio on a TV or film series navbox, or a publishing house on a novel series navbox, the same parallel should be drawn here with software houses. And I note you're not advocating adding such links to {{Sonic the Hedgehog}} or {{Super Mario}} for example. It's just filler. --woodensuperman 15:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Are you even reading what I'm saying? I literally said not to put it in Sega's article. Both developer articles are woefully under-developed, but their deep ties to the series is well documented in the Vectorman articles themselves. Sergecross73 msg me 15:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Vectorman isn't even mentioned at Sega and only mentioned as one of a long list at BlueSky Software, so it would be WP:UNDUE to add this to the software house articles. So like I said, it only navigates between three articles. The other three articles are navbox filler that you are using to justify your creation of this. Is there an article on the rivalry between Vectorman and Donkey Kong County? No! If there was, then by all means include it, as that would be worthy of navbox inclusion. But WP:WTAF. Delete, delete, delete. --woodensuperman 15:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- It navigates between articles just fine. Sega is too broad to have them template, but it could absolutely be added to the BlueSky Software and Pseudo Interactive, which both lived and died around the franchise. There's other things that could be added too. It had a well documented rivalry with Donkey Kong Country, has been included in a number of Sega themed compilations Sega Genesis Collection for example.) This is simply an WP:SURMOUNTABLE concern. Sergecross73 msg me 14:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, it's not. It's the fourth point out of five, on a guideline that goes out of its way to say "Good navboxes generally follow most or all of these guidelines". It follows most 4 out of 5. That's "most". There's very clearly a core, central concept connecting these six items. That is what matters. Sergecross73 msg me 14:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- It's quote a major criteria though. In any case, we don't need a navbox to navigate between three articles. The articles are already well linked. --woodensuperman 14:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- That does not say it's a requirement, it's just one of many criteria for guidance on making a good one. It meets all the rest, and there's no requirement to meet them all. Sergecross73 msg me 14:10, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Item 4:
- What part of NAVBOX is requiring a series article? I'm not seeing that, nor have I ever heard of that... Sergecross73 msg me 13:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Scud: The Disposable Assassin
- Template:Scud: The Disposable Assassin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
WP:NENAN. Not enough truly related links to warrant a navbox. --woodensuperman 12:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Sergecross73 msg me 13:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Assaad Hattab
- Template:Assaad Hattab (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This is non-English article text and not a valid use of a template. Subst to the user's sandbox and delete. Gonnym (talk) 11:06, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
This is an overproliferation of collegiate award navboxes. There is no article for the Ohio Valley Conference Baseball Player of the Year. The navbox links over 60 unique players and only six have articles. As I think Sweeney, Hulsizer, and Lipscomb are the only two on this navbox who are active, I don't see the potential for the others to become articles. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Left guide (talk) 04:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:PD-Edison Records
- Template:PD-Edison Records (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template, the only existing counterpart is on Commons. Michalg95 (talk) 19:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
December 11
Template:Sonic the Hedgehog characters
- Template:Sonic the Hedgehog characters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Sonic the Hedgehog (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Sonic the Hedgehog characters with Template:Sonic the Hedgehog.
This navbox only contains six characters, which doesn't seem large enough to warrant a separate navbox. It can easily be slotted into the main series navbox (Most likely in the "Related" section under its own category) Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Come on, we just discussed this a few months ago. And again back in 2022. There's already a consensus to keep them both. Sergecross73 msg me 21:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- While I was unaware of these prior debates, I've taken a look at them and don't quite understand the rationale. The Sonic the Hedgehog navbox is nowhere near bloated in size to justify a separate navbox split, and keeping them split seems like it would be worse to navigate overall. I would understand if, say, we were merging a significant number of articles, but only six? That fits comfortably in there without overly cluttering the navbox. The other rationale that "the infobox will only get bigger" is a bit of a silly one as well. Yes, of course the box will get bigger, but so will nearly every franchise under the sun, and many other franchises like Super Mario and Metal Gear keep their characters in the same navbox as the series navbox and still work just fine. The decision to split just seems like a navigational annoyance more than it does a useful size split. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- We're constantly trimming things off the main Sonic template to keep it from being overwhelming. It doesn't need another six items (or more, because people are constantly trying to spin out more character articles.) . Weve got a future-proof set up, and we've come to a consensus on this twice in the last year or so, and this proposal doesn't present a new argument. Sergecross73 msg me 00:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- If you really think it needs trimming, then how about removing articles like multi-franchise video games or guest appearances such as Lego Dimensions or Super Monkey Ball , etc., rather than actual directly related articles? --woodensuperman 11:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't say it needs trimming, I'm saying it's constantly being trimmed to keep it a manageable size. Those titles are directly related because they feature Sonic as a playable character in them. Sergecross73 msg me 14:05, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Not as directly related as the actual playable character Sonic the Hedgehog (character) who doesn't even appear in the navbox {{Sonic the Hedgehog}}! Also a serious discussion needs to be had about all these crossover games, as their inclusion in every single navbox is getting rather ridiculous. Look at the stupid number of navboxes at Super Smash Bros. for example. --woodensuperman 14:12, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't say it needs trimming, I'm saying it's constantly being trimmed to keep it a manageable size. Those titles are directly related because they feature Sonic as a playable character in them. Sergecross73 msg me 14:05, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- If I may ask, more from a place of curiosity, what kind of stuff is being trimmed from the navbox? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- If you really think it needs trimming, then how about removing articles like multi-franchise video games or guest appearances such as Lego Dimensions or Super Monkey Ball , etc., rather than actual directly related articles? --woodensuperman 11:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- We're constantly trimming things off the main Sonic template to keep it from being overwhelming. It doesn't need another six items (or more, because people are constantly trying to spin out more character articles.) . Weve got a future-proof set up, and we've come to a consensus on this twice in the last year or so, and this proposal doesn't present a new argument. Sergecross73 msg me 00:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- While I was unaware of these prior debates, I've taken a look at them and don't quite understand the rationale. The Sonic the Hedgehog navbox is nowhere near bloated in size to justify a separate navbox split, and keeping them split seems like it would be worse to navigate overall. I would understand if, say, we were merging a significant number of articles, but only six? That fits comfortably in there without overly cluttering the navbox. The other rationale that "the infobox will only get bigger" is a bit of a silly one as well. Yes, of course the box will get bigger, but so will nearly every franchise under the sun, and many other franchises like Super Mario and Metal Gear keep their characters in the same navbox as the series navbox and still work just fine. The decision to split just seems like a navigational annoyance more than it does a useful size split. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge like in the Mario template. Six characters could be easily handled in the main navbox. Redjedi23 (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge. The characters don't need a template of their own. Can easily be handled in the main navbox. --woodensuperman 10:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:2024 Under-19 Cricket World Cup Group A Points Table
- Template:2024 Under-19 Cricket World Cup Group A Points Table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024 Under-19 Cricket World Cup Group B Points Table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024 Under-19 Cricket World Cup Group C Points Table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024 Under-19 Cricket World Cup Group D Points Table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Single use templates, no other valid uses. Just subst into the article, like it was until someone pointless created these templates earlier today Joseph2302 (talk) 17:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Prime minister election in Thailand
- Template:Prime minister election in Thailand (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No direct links. One redirect. Nothing to use here. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:The Absent-Minded Professor
- Template:The Absent-Minded Professor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Just three articles - the subject, its sequel, and a remake. We don't need a navbox for this. --woodensuperman 12:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Qualification for the 2023 Central American and Caribbean Games
- Template:Qualification for the 2023 Central American and Caribbean Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Only three links. Fails navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:50, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. One of the three links is a redirect anyway! --woodensuperman 10:12, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
December 10
Template:Alkaline earth metals
- Template:Alkaline earth metals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Single usage navbox. Not sure why it isn't used on any of the metal pages. Either it isn't needed and should be deleted, or it should be added to those pages. Gonnym (talk) 11:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Added to all of those pages. Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 08:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Now used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Sachin Tendulkar
- Template:Sachin Tendulkar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
One of the links is to "Superfan" which just about sums this up. It is hero worship and surely unnecessary, and of limited if any use. Batagur baska (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)- Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not enough sensible blue links to justify a template. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I've reorganized the entry by adding entries from his category and finding any related articles through his main article. The template has enough links now. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 10:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)- Keep well organized and could help the article. LuxembourgLover (talk) 15:51, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Campaignbox 2023 Guayana Esequiba crisis
- Template:Campaignbox 2023 Guayana Esequiba crisis (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
For some reason we have a campaignbox template for a political crisis without a single military engagement. The only that could really qualify is 2023 Guyana Defence Force helicopter crash. Delete per WP:TOOSOON. This is not a war and if it becomes one we will make a campaignbox for it in its due time. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 10:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: As said in the nomination, this box is WP:TOOSOON and there has been no direct armed confrontation. If something happens, we can come back to this. WMrapids (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. SamPro910 (talk) 13:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, yeah I don't know why it was even created. Also, do we even need the article on the helicopter crash? It was probably an unrelated accident, and WP:NOTNP. This would be like making an article about the Brazilian army truck that blew up near the boarder... in an accident. FelipeFritschF (talk) 03:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
December 9
Template:Sex-work-stub
- Template:Sex-work-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unproposed, incorrectly formed, no category attached. Her Pegship (?) 22:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Amapiano-stub
- Template:Amapiano-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Feeds into permcat, links to only 2 articles, unproposed. Her Pegship (?) 22:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Pegship, why did I not get a notification concerning this? To nominate for deletion because of 2 articles is not a convincing reason as I can create multiple stub ampiano stub albums and songs today. Keep, because I believe stubs are meant to be improved at some point as articles that cannot be expanded beyond must be merged with or redirected to the performer (if it's a song or album), therefore it's possible that at one point this template might not link to any article if articles are improved. Amapiano is now global and multiple amapiano songs and albums are charting, making the news and will most probably get their standalone articles, check The Official South African Charts' website and Billboard South Africa Songs, you'll see that 90% of charting songs are amapiano. Please reconsider. dxneo (talk) 11:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:ASJ Soyaux squad
- Template:ASJ Soyaux squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
the team is not active in the 2023-24 season; no need for a current squad template Joeykai (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Election History in Pakistan
- Template:Election History in Pakistan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unnecessary template in which every link on it or at least the majority is already covered by other election templates for respective regions in Pakistan. Another template linking all other article elections isn't needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Oxford Gazette
- Template:Oxford Gazette (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions. Created in 2015. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Pacific Coast League location map
- Template:Pacific Coast League location map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Gigantic, apparently unfinished map with no transclusions or documentation. Does not appear to be useful. Userfy if the creator wants to keep working on it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: this template had been rendering properly until it was broken by a technical issue with the OSM Location map template. Transclusions have been temporarily disabled until that issue gets fixed. A notice on that template advises to leave existing dependent maps (templates) in place to show evidence of it still being used, thus providing incentive for the developers to fix it. See my comment on the talk page for more details. Waz8:T-C-E 05:21, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
December 8
Template:Inception
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G5 by Bbb23 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Template:Inception (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Almost all of these links are only tangentially related to Inception and do not belong in a navbox about the film, per WP:NAVBOX. Only two links (not counting the main article) would qualify as appropriate links, which fails the WP:NENAN "rule of five". InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment – Some of the irrelevant links have been removed by another editor. For reference, this was the state of the navbox at the time of its nomination. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete this template is a real stretch; the few truly related topics can be integrated into the article text or go to MOS:SEEALSO. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:17, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:1967TSP
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Template:1967TSP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No longer in use. It was used on one page before today, 1967 Tasmanian State Premiership Final, but I have changed it to use the standard Template:AFLGameDetailed now. Jenks24 (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- As the template creator, speedy delete. Superseded as stated by nominator. Aspirex (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:ODFA seasons
- Template:ODFA seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
All redlinks, doesn't navigate anything. WP:NENAN. Jenks24 (talk) 22:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: All redlinks ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:GNFL seasons
- Template:GNFL seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Two redlinks, doesn't navigate anything. WP:NENAN. Jenks24 (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: All redlinks ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:NWFU seasons
- Template:NWFU seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
All redlinks, doesn't navigate anything. WP:NENAN. Jenks24 (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: All redlinks ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:YJFL
- Template:YJFL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Doesn't really navigate anything as the vast majority of these links are simply back to the parent article. And as junior clubs most of them are unlikely to meet WP:N anyway. WP:NENAN. Jenks24 (talk) 22:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Perhaps red linking or removing the wikilinks of those that are redirected to the main article because the navbar still serves some purpose. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 22:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Happy to support this compromise, would prefer no link over red link Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 23:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:2013 Box Hill premiership players
- Template:2013 Box Hill premiership players (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Not convinced we need a navbox for a reserves premiership. WP:NENAN. Jenks24 (talk) 10:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Simple biography
- Template:Simple biography (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
I can think of no circumstance in which this template is useful, but am quite prepared for someone to come and prove me wrong.
I found it being used to create the lead sentence of an article - but in that context the link round the name is circular and unnecessary, the dates are wrongly formatted (using b. and d. rather than a bracketed range, and italicised) and the age is inappropriate.
Perhaps it is intended to be an item in a list of names - but the bolding of the name would be inappropriate, and the date range format still unusual.
When I found this in use , I asked the editor who'd used it whether someone had advised them to use it, and they replied that "I don't think any recommended I use it, I believe it was something I came across organically", so its existence had led to its misuse. Fortunately they hadn't followed the instruction to "subst" it, or I wouldn't have known why the lead of the article was so strangely written.
I enquired a few days ago on the talk page whether anyone knew what this template was for, but have had no response as yet. It seems not to be useful, and to be positively unhelpful in that it produces output which will be against WP:MOS in any context I can think of. If it is indeed useful in some specialist circumstance, then this needs to be very clearly stated in the template documentation, to deter other enthusiastic editors from using it inappropriately.
@Mschamberlain: created the template in 2014, but hasn't edited in the last 18 months so may not be around to comment. @DragonflySixtyseven: protected it in 2019 with comment "too many people editing this who don't understand what its purpose is", so perhaps they know what the purpose is? (I can see what they mean, as several editors had been trying to create biographies on the template page: clearly not its purpose, even if we don't know what the purpose is). @Plastikspork: tweaked it in 2021, but not perhaps in any way connected with its purpose.
The documentation says that this template is "Used to create in-line short versions of {{biography}} including an age at death calculation", but that template is an outline structure for an entire Wikipedia article. I suggest that this "in-line short version" is useless, and the template should be deleted. PamD 10:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- "perhaps they know what the purpose is" - don't recall, sorry. DS (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This template doesn't seem to be used outside of User sandboxes, and its purpose is unclear. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Grey Griffins Multimedia
- Template:Grey Griffins Multimedia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Not enough links to warrant a navbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
December 7
Template:Diplomatic missions in Eritrea
- Template:Diplomatic missions in Eritrea (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
After redirects moved, this template only has 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 23:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Copied section to Wikisource
- Template:Copied section to Wikisource (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2007. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Cite Kavkazskiy Kalendar 1911
- Template:Cite Kavkazskiy Kalendar 1911 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused citation template. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Literally unused. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:00, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Archive
- Template:Archive (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Archive with Template:Automatic archive navigator.
Update: Propose deleting Template:Archive navigation.
Template:Automatic archive navigator (more often done as {{talkarchivenav}}
) looks the same as Template:Archive (usually {{talkarchive}}
except it much more functionally provides automatic navigation between sequential archive pages. These should have merged long ago. All that is needed is porting the old template's |diff=
and |histOffset=
parameters to the newer template, if those parameters are actually useful, which is dubious to begin with; they're almost never used. If they're retained, |histoffset=
should be aliased to the latter, because we don't traditionally use Python-style mixedCase parameter names and no one expects or is going to remember this one. PS: Or merge them the other way around and have the shorter name be the main name; I really don't care either way, as long as a zillion instances of what are presently {{talkarchive}}
get upgraded to {{talkarchivenav}}
functionality without having to tediously change all the archive pages to use the better template. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 12:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
PS: It seems there was a previous discussion of this (no consensus) at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 24#Template:Automatic archive navigator. The sticking point was that Template:Archive navigation also exists, a template to secondarily add the features of Template:Automatic archive navigator below an instance of Template:Archive. So, Template:Archive navigation simply needs to be deleted after this merge, and I've added it to the nomination above. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 12:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- As noted, this is long overdue. There should be no opposition here beyond matters of technical feasibility. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support. I haven't looked over the template code but I agree that there should be one template instead of 3 doing similar things. So support this. That said (and based on the disscussion from 3 years ago), this might be a bit more complicated than the regular code merge. Gonnym (talk) 11:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:UCLPartners
- Template:UCLPartners (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This navbox functions purely as a list of organisations which are part of "UCLPartners", and is too large and unweidly to provide meaningful links / categorisation. Information is better provided in list or category format. Elshad (talk) 12:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- There's no obvious rationale for an editor to want to quickly get from one of these articles to another; it's basically just an arbitrary collection of entities that happen to be in partnership. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:RTÉ News and Current Affairs people
- Template:RTÉ News and Current Affairs people (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
WP:PERFNAV --woodensuperman 09:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Misleading
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- Template:Disputed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Misleading with Template:Disputed.
These two templates seem to be the exact same, but with slightly different wording. Kinopiko talk 06:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- There's a reasonable semantic difference between these, though. {{Disputed}} is for falsehoods; {{misleading}} also covers cases where an article might be factually accurate, but presents facts in a way which results in the reader receiving a false impression. It might be that these use cases overlap sufficiently that {{disputed}} could be reworded to cover both, but right now it doesn't. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: What wording does the nominator propose for the merged template? – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Chris Cunningham. The difference is important, in my opinion. 123957a (talk) 00:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Misleading means a true statement presented in a manner that suggests something false. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:26, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
December 6
Template:Jiminy Cricket in animation
- Template:Jiminy Cricket in animation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Disney's Pinocchio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Jiminy Cricket in animation with Template:Disney's Pinocchio.
I don't think this character needs his own navbox, can be dealt with at {{Disney's Pinocchio}} and trimmed for cameo appearances. --woodensuperman 10:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The template "Disney's Pinocchio", which focuses on the franchise and its related media, is not the same as the template "Jiminy Cricket in animation", which focuses on the character's filmography independently. BrookTheHumming (talk) 13:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's still a substantial duplication of the other navbox, only a couple of links missing and even they are of dubious benefit. --woodensuperman 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- How can a template be a duplicate of another that was not created until half a year later? :-| BrookTheHumming (talk) 14:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- The majority of the links {{Jiminy Cricket in animation}} are duplicated in {{Disney's Pinocchio}}, I'm not sure what any time frame has to do with it? --woodensuperman 14:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- How can a template be a duplicate of another that was not created until half a year later? :-| BrookTheHumming (talk) 14:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's still a substantial duplication of the other navbox, only a couple of links missing and even they are of dubious benefit. --woodensuperman 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:1873 Canadian federal by-elections/Victoria, Nova Scotia
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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Template:1873 Canadian federal by-elections/Victoria, Nova Scotia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Single-use template. Normally this would be substituted, but this template is completely unreferenced. Mikeblas (talk) 04:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- weak keep, I have added a reference. Frietjes (talk) 16:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep – Now referenced, doesn't need substitution, two transclusions, similar templates not deleted. Toadette (Happy holiday!) 17:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Old discussions
December 5
Template:Campaignbox Ethnic conflict in West Darfur (2020-2022)
- Template:Campaignbox Ethnic conflict in West Darfur (2020-2022) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Majority of the links are related to the War in Darfur. There is no separate conflict in West Darfur making it distinct from the Darfur conflict. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hey, I created the campaignbox with the intention of creating a page for the post-war ethnic conflict in West Darfur, which is distinct from the 2003-2020 war. Jebiguess (talk) 21:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- You need an article first. Articles first, then a template connecting all the articles in the template if they are related to each other. Right now, there is no proof there is a separate conflict. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Cite Ingush-Russian Dictionary 1927
- Template:Cite Ingush-Russian Dictionary 1927 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Cite Russian-Ingush Dictionary 1980 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused citation templates. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- The templates are now used. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Cite Historic Maps of Armenia
- Template:Cite Historic Maps of Armenia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused citation template. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- The template is now used. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 22:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Latin and Greek metre
- Template:Latin and Greek metre (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Sidebar with no main article, no transclusions, no documentation, and no incoming links from discussions. Created in May 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't know this template had been created. It would be a good idea to add it to each of the articles in question. I don't think it should be deleted. Kanjuzi (talk) 20:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have added more links to the template, and will add it to the articles. Kanjuzi (talk) 10:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete No main article. This makes it hard to know if all the entries are related to each other. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- On the contrary, there are TWO main articles, namely Latin prosody and Greek prosody, to which all the other articles in this template are related. So I can't see what you mean by "no main article". (There is also an article called List of classical meters, but it is incomplete, and doesn't include articles on items of prosody such as "anceps", so at present it's not particularly useful.) Now that this template has been added to all the articles concerned, it seems to me very useful, helping readers to navigate quickly to the topic they want. So I say it should be retained. Kanjuzi (talk) 13:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- The link on top of the sidebar is the name of the sidebar. It's a red link. Clearly, that is supposed to be the main article. Two main articles don't mean anything in terms of sidebars. Sidebars are for one topic. Latin and Greek prosody are two different subjects. If these are the two main articles, then the template should be split into two. One for the Latin and one for Greek. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- If the problem is that the sidebar title is a redlink, maybe this would work better as a navbox than a sidebar? It certainly seems like a reasonable grouping and navigational aid, to someone with no education in the western classics. Folly Mox (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. I made a contribution to this thread yesterday but must have forgotten to press "Publish changes". I wanted to suggest that if it is necessary to have a main overarching article to cover the template, it would be easy to write one, for example by taking List of classical meters, adding a few introductory paragraphs, and renaming it. There wouldn't really be any point in splitting the template into two, since, apart from Metres of Roman comedy and a couple of others, more or less all the same articles apply to both languages. I like the idea of a sidebar, rather than a navbox (what's that? something at the bottom of the page?), not only because it speeds up navigation, but also because it draws readers' attention to articles they might otherwise not know existed, such as Latin rhythmic hexameter and Sotadean metre. So I think it should not be deleted, but if necessary, I will write a covering article with the title Latin and Greek metre. Kanjuzi (talk) 11:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:Competence sidebar
No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in August 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Unusually, this template has a nontrivial talk page. The creator apparently tried to transclude this onto a number of articles and was reverted in each case (at a point when – fittingly – the template linked at least one dabpage). The creator also hasn't edited in a month or so. Seems like it would be kind if someone could move the Template talk: page to the creator's userspace and subst the contents of the template somewhere for them in case they ever come back and want to try again / learn from their mistakes. Folly Mox (talk) 04:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
December 4
Template:On KayakingandCanoeing
- Template:On KayakingandCanoeing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:On OOBasketball (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:On OOMandM (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Outline articles aren't anything special. Being listed on one does not make an article more important. There are already WikiProject banners on pages using these, and {{Vital article}} on pages which are more "important". These just clutter the talk page and add to banner blindness. Gonnym (talk) 13:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Let's take a look at your arguments. "Outline articles aren't anything special, and therefore banners to them should be deleted." So, delete, because you don't think they lead somewhere special? That's an "I don't like it" argument, and therefore an invalid reason for deletion. The next one is "The banner doesn't make the article more important, and so it should be deleted." Making an article more important is a thing? No, it's not. There is zero policy or guideline documentation on making articles more important. (To the contrary, trying to make an article seem more important smacks of POV pushing, and is against policy.) It looks like you just made these reasons up, rather than find policy-or-guideline-based criteria for deletion. Then you accuse them of being clutter and blinding the reader, when apparently you don't seem to know what purpose they serve. What are they for? Why were they made? Someone who apparently cared a lot about the overarching subjects conscientiously placed these banners. Is it to show editors where the parent topic is being organized so that they could help manage Wikipedia's coverage of it, or to lead editors to check if the topic is properly situated in the parent outline? Or was it for some other purpose? Until we know why the templates were placed, and what actual policy- or guideline-based deletion criteria are applicable, I'm opposed to deleting them. — The Transhumanist 00:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
when apparently you don't seem to know what purpose they serve
I'm not going to assume good faith for the rest my comment. Their purpose is very claer since they are a one sentence banner - to improve the current article and to draw people to the outline article. I just disagree that the use of a banner is appropriate. Since you failed to read the text above in TfD, you'd see that there is a peice of text that saysTemplates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here
- often, a template does not violate any guideline or policy, but is just bad. In this case, these banners are somewhat redundant to the WikiProject banners and the Vitale article banner, clutter the top of the talk page, and add to Banner blindness. While you might not see this as an issue other editors do and TfD has been deleting banners similar to these for the same reasons. Gonnym (talk) 06:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:OpenAI
- Template:OpenAI (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
There appear to be three AI-related templates at the moment. {{AI-generated}} is a maintenance tag for an article that was probably generated by AI and needs cleanup, which seems like a great template. This gives us a way to flag these for cleanup and gives us a category for tracking these. {{AI-generated notification}} is for tagging an article talk page that AI text was used in the article. {{OpenAI}} is probably an attempt to comply with possible copyright issues that might arise from using AI-generated text.
I am nominating {{OpenAI}} in this TFD. Like my nomination of {{AI-generated notification}} below, I am concerned about the following: 1) It is possibly redundant to {{AI-generated}} and {{AI-generated notification}}. For example, this template places its articles in the tracking category Category:OpenAI-written articles, but there are already categories such as Category:Articles containing suspected AI-generated texts and Category:Articles generated by AI used by the two aforemenetioned templates. 2) It telegraphs to editors that AI/LLM-assisted editing is OK, which I don't think is a good message to be sending. I view AI editing as lazy, prone to difficult-to-cleanup errors, and at the same level of perniciousness as a WP:CCI. It's only a matter of time before we catch an experienced editor mass-editing using AI, which results in a bunch of subtle factual inaccuracies and/or fake citations, and it will be a massive effort to clean up.
For the above reasons, I propose we delete {{OpenAI}}. I am not sure if this will achieve consensus, but I think it is time to put the question to the community via this TFD, before this template becomes widespread in its use.
I am doing this as two TFDs for 1) WP:TRAINWRECK reasons and 2) perhaps the copyright angle will result in more keeps in this TFD (although it's also possible that copyright experts may come by and say that OpenAI doesn't meet the threshold of originality, or that machines don't need copyright attribution, and doesn't need a copyright notice. I am not sure. We will see). –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: This is a copyright template. It does not serve a maintenance purpose. It came about through discussions on whether OpenAI's terms are something that can or can't simply be ignored when incorporating text generated by their products, and multiple editors believed that they can't, and that attribution is required. So this template was created in response. This was also discussed a bit, afterwards, on the template's talk page. I think it's like any other attribution template. It's initial, proof-of-concept, and still extant application is in the Artwork title article.—Alalch E. 16:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:AI-generated notification
- Template:AI-generated notification (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
There appear to be three AI-related templates at the moment. {{AI-generated}} is a maintenance tag for an article that was probably generated by AI and needs cleanup, which seems like a great template. This gives us a way to flag these for cleanup and gives us a category for tracking these. {{AI-generated notification}} is for tagging an article talk page that AI text was used in the article. {{OpenAI}} is probably an attempt to comply with possible copyright issues that might arise from using AI-generated text.
I am nominating {{AI-generated notification}} today, and I find it problematic for a couple reasons. 1) It is possibly redundant to {{AI-generated}}. For example, it could lead to a situation where articles with AI issues show up in two categories instead of one, or they have one tag or the other or both instead of just one tag. 2) It telegraphs to editors that AI/LLM-assisted editing is OK, which I don't think is a good message to be sending. I view AI editing as lazy, prone to difficult-to-cleanup errors, and at the same level of perniciousness as a WP:CCI. It's only a matter of time before we catch an experienced editor mass-editing using AI, which results in a bunch of subtle factual inaccuracies and/or fake citations, and it will be a massive effort to clean up.
For the above reasons, I propose we delete {{AI-generated notification}}. I am not sure if this will achieve consensus, but I think it is time to put the question to the community via this TFD, before this template becomes widespread in its use. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- The issue here is that, {{AI-generated}} is used in articles, and is in low usage in 10+ pages, while {{AI-generated notification}} is used in talk pages. There is only one talk page that make use of this template, but its companion article itself doesn't has the AI-generated template. As most maintenance tags don't have notification equivalents for talk pages, I'm sure to delete this template. However, those who placed the AI-generated tag to article may not know this template, so the nominated template needs to be reconsidered. Toadette (Happy holiday!) 07:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, the purpose of this template is not as a cleanup tag (which goes on the article) but to disclose/attribute AI use in the article that has since been cleaned up instead of removed, as in Artwork title. I would like to upgrade this template to show the specific diffs where AI was used. This would also allow WikiProject AI Cleanup to quickly find and review disclosed AI edits as they occur (experienced editors need to understand that if they want to try to use AI constructively, they must disclose that use, preferably in the edit summary and with this template). 3df (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
November 30
Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity
- Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
I'm deeply skeptical that there is enough structured data about genders and sexual identities to justify infoboxen. On some articles like Bi-curious this just wraps a flag. On others like Bisexuality it's just a flag plus a repetition of prose content from the article's lede sentence. When more detail is given, it's often original research or questionable takes, like Asexuality including demisexuality as a subcategory or Pansexuality having an ostensible "Parent category" of bisexuality (what???). Yes, these are fixable on a per-article basis, but the fundamental issue is the genders and sexualities are not cognizable things. They are vague ideas of human feelings and subcultures, no more suited for infoboxen than emotions or broad ideological movements. They cannot be reduced to simple metadata in the manner of, say, a person or country. Delete, replacing with flag images as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 12:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- WT:LGBT notified. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 12:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete it seems this info-box too often becomes a WP:DISINFOBOX which
aggressively attracts the marginally literate eye with apparent promises to contain a reductive summary of information; not all information can be so neatly contained. Like a bulleted list, or a timeline that substitutes for genuine history, it offers a competitive counter-article, stripped of nuance. As a substitute for accuracy and complexity, a box trumps all discourse
. Zenomonoz (talk) 13:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)- Also, it looks ridiculous having these info-boxes above two other sidebars, as on Asexuality. Incredibly distracting and takes away from the articles. Zenomonoz (talk) 13:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- See also discussion here about disinformation and controversy and why it is still useful to have this infobox on
thesespecific pages. ArcMachaon (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose/Keep the infobox is useful, especially in gender identity articles. If there's disinformation in the infoboxes, then it should be removed or discussed in the article's talk pages. The problem here's not the infobox alone. MikutoH (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep it can be very useful in the articles with third gender/non-Western genders. This is particularly (although not exclusively) the case where these genders are recognised by governments. I created the infobox when I saw an infobox for ethnicity used on Hijra to try to capture numbers as recognised by the Indian and Pakistani governments (amongst others), which all recognise a third gender on official documents (which I believe counters the narrative that these are like emotions or ideological movements). If you want to remove the infobox from specific articles where they aren't useful, that is something to do on a per article basis. ArcMachaon (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- See also discussion here from 3 years ago ArcMachaon (talk) 00:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per MikutoH and ArcMachaon. Genders and sexualities are identities, they are not comparable to vague emotions or ideologies; there are numerous articles where this infobox is useful. HaiFire3344 (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I understand the argument for its usefulness on articles like Hijra (South Asia), but I do not agree with it. All the information currently in the infobox is done much better justice in the lead and body. The definition provided in the infobox not only is what should be covered by the very first sentence in the article, but is also a worse version of it (it doesn't mention the intentional community aspect of the identity, which seems quite central). I don't even understand what "classification" is supposed to be. I guess it's just meant to separate gender and sexual identities, but it seems completely useless. Synonyms can be better covered in prose, with eventual nuances and all. "Associated terms" is incredibly vague, and does not at all explain how they are associated, or what the nuances are. The demographics section is a mess, which makes sense because demographics of queer populations rarely are unambiguous. That the hijra are associated with South Asian culture should be clear from the first sentence or two. The figure for India says in a footnote that it applies to Southeast Asia, which according to our article doesn't even include India! It says they are "legally recognized" in several countries, but the body explains they do not have the right to vote! And saying they have "limited" protection tells us nothing at all. Overall, this template encourages useless and even harmful denuancing of information that inherently requires nuance. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and others above; topic is very unsuited for infoboxes and as seen has tendency to oversimplify and be inaccurate. Crossroads -talk- 19:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete This infobox inherently simplifies concepts and deprives them of nuances. It is actively unhelpful for our readers. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 19:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and others. There's a pretty wide line where reasonable people can argue over the usefulness of infoboxes. This one is way on the wrong side of that line. Infoboxes work best for a well-defined set of articles that all share a fairly common set of non-generic summarizable data, which this case fails. Not surprisingly, it's a complicated, nuanced topic, and infoboxes like this tend to be not only useless, but actively misleading. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination and others. This template serves little purpose that can not be met by just including a few more words in the lead. Log.base (talk) 21:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
November 25
Template:List of hieroglyphs
- Template:List of hieroglyphs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This template is 175 kB. It is only used within the List of Egyptian hieroglyphs article and likely would not be used in any others. I propose deleting the template and putting the content within the article itself. Also, as an aside, it is called "Template:List of hieroglyphs" even though it should be called "Template:List of Egyptian hieroglyphs", but I would prefer a delete-and-merge. – Kjerish (talk) 17:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:28, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- As above with the Germany license plate components, what's the pressing need to subst into the transcluding article all the contents of this table? Seems like having it in its own space would make it easier for someone to edit the List of Egyptian hieroglyphs article without scrolling past 175kb of syntax. Folly Mox (talk) 08:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Folly Mox: List of Egyptian hieroglyphs contains essentially no other content than this table, so it actually makes it harder (especially if they're not someone that can code very well) because they then have to go to the template to edit the content. It also does make the page info less accurate – Kjerish (talk) 05:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- merge with the parent article and delete. Frietjes (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- What will the table look like once the template has been merged in? Will the syntax be more complex than the existing template syntax? I ask as someone who uses this table regularly (I have written code to parse the template, perhaps not the best way to get an array of hieroglyph objects but I don’t know of an alternative), but who isn’t terribly well versed in Wikitext syntax. babbage (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
November 20
Template:Adams Trial
- Template:Adams Trial (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Navbox equivalent of WP:OCASSOC for R v Adams (1957); some members are notable for other reasons. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep WP:OCASSOC states "The problem with saying that something is "associated" with something else, is that it can be a #SUBJECTIVE and vague determination." Well, the inclusion of witnesses/detectives/the judge/the accused in the Adams Trial template is hardly subjective. If the nominator disagrees with one of the others included, they should use the talk page of the template not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The template has existed for many years uncontroversially. Malick78 (talk) 14:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Template:Green Day songs
- Template:Green Day songs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Duplicate of Template:Green Day. Gonnym (talk) 09:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- This is not a duplication. This is a proposed conversion of the band's singles and other songs into their own template as a means to better organize the various articles for their songs. Many other music artists have templates for songs alone, and there is already a talk section on the template you highlighted to gather more thoughts on this decision. Please add any comments there before deleting this template. PopDisaster182 (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify or userfy until there is consensus to split or not split at Template talk:Green Day StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 05:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- keep, its been one month and I see no objections at Template talk:Green Day. Frietjes (talk) 16:12, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, I agree with the rationale provided at template talk, that this split seems reasonable since the "Singles" section at Template:Green Day is becoming excessively bloated. Left guide (talk) 04:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
November 19
Template:ABCNewsPresenters
- Template:ABCNewsPresenters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This is just a WP:PERFNAV --woodensuperman 12:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, we've had this discussion before somewhere and the result was 'Keep'. News presenters are journalists not performers. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Appearing on a specific television news programme is a performance and thus falls foul of WP:PERFNAV. --woodensuperman 15:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Please read the lead of News presenter, they are journalists and not perfomers. We've had this discussion and, unless I'm mistaken, the result was Keep. Can you recall where this occurred? Journalists are not performers even though they are reading from a telepromter, but yes, also act as journalists (or at least are supposed to). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- If they are presenting on television, they are performing. Even if you do not see this as performing, the guideline applies to crew too and this is a navbox for a specific production, thus WP:PERFNAV:
Avoid adding [...] crew members into navboxes for the productions they worked on.
--woodensuperman 15:30, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- If they are presenting on television, they are performing. Even if you do not see this as performing, the guideline applies to crew too and this is a navbox for a specific production, thus WP:PERFNAV:
- Please read the lead of News presenter, they are journalists and not perfomers. We've had this discussion and, unless I'm mistaken, the result was Keep. Can you recall where this occurred? Journalists are not performers even though they are reading from a telepromter, but yes, also act as journalists (or at least are supposed to). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- WP:PERFNAV:
This includes, but is not limited to actors/actresses, comedians, television/radio presenters, writers, composers, etc.
–Aidan721 (talk) 17:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Appearing on a specific television news programme is a performance and thus falls foul of WP:PERFNAV. --woodensuperman 15:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Already better served by the category. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep a perfectly sensible navigation template. These people stay with ABC news for a long time and are committed to that job. They don't move all over the place like performers or quizmasters. The template is probably the only nav template on the biographies. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- convert to list article as List of Australian Broadcasting Corporation presenters for ABC News -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 07:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- delete after copying lists to ABC News (Australia). Frietjes (talk) 18:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Template:SBSNewsPresenters
- Template:SBSNewsPresenters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This is nothing more than WP:PERFNAV. --woodensuperman 12:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, we've had this discussion before on a nom and the result was Keep. News presenters are journalists, not performers. The nominator is back to his deletionist ways, maybe be more selective in deletion endeavors, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Appearing on a specific television news programme is a performance and thus falls foul of WP:PERFNAV. --woodensuperman 15:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Randy Kryn, I will remind you to comment on content, not contributor. Izno (talk) 03:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Already better served by the category. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep a perfectly sensible navigation template. These people stay with SBS news for a long time. They don't move all over the place like performers or quizmasters. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Convert to list article as List of SBS Network presenters for SBS News -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 07:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 05:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- delete after copying list to SBS World News. Frietjes (talk) 18:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Completed discussions
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