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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 24, 2023.
Humanities and Social Sciences
- Humanities and Social Sciences → Science Publishing Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
- Humanities & Social Sciences → Science Publishing Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
- Humanit. Soc. Sci. → Science Publishing Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
- Humanit Soc Sci → Science Publishing Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
These are all redirects for a journal, one of several hundred, published by that company. There's no content about it in the target article, and, as the hatnote there informs us, there exists another, unrelated, journal with the same name (ISSN 1022-4483). As far as I'm concerned, that makes for a straightforward delete. But is there any chance there may be an article that covers the two actual concepts of humanities and social sciences? I can't find any, so that means deletion also per WP:XY. – Uanfala (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- Strangely, these were created by a bot that got approval in 2018. There seem to be a large number of such redirects. They defy the common logic of "no redirect unless target has relevant content", but are there any considerations that counterbalance that? – Uanfala (talk) 22:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep These redirects exist to warn people that Humanities and Social Sciences is/could be a shit journal from a shit publisher, and to get picked up by WP:CITEWATCH. See
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31#Category:Academic journal categories containing exclusively redirects,
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 10#Category:International Digital Organization for Scientific Information academic journals, and
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 21#World Open Chinese Studies Journal
- for similar discussions, with the difference here that the publisher is actually notable enough to have an article. Deleting one out of the thousands is counterproductive and makes a special case of something that isn't. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see those XfDs as relevant here as they all involve either categories or redirects to categories. A more directly relevant case (redirects from journals to a publisher article without mention) would be Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 7#Bunch of academic journals. – Uanfala (talk) 10:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Headbomb. --Randykitty (talk) 09:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete (and most of the other 1600 redirects to that page). The current target does not help readers in any way, and even if it did it is not our job to "warn people that Humanities and Social Sciences is/could be a shit journal from a shit publisher". While WP:CITEWATCH has laudable aims, per WP:ADVOCACY, WP:RGW and WP:NOTDIR it should not be abusing the encyclopaedia, especially the mainspace of it, to achieve those aims. Thryduulf (talk) 12:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete all per Thryduulf, and per my usual stance on these categories and redirects. (Seriously, I have nothing additional to add to this in addition to what Thryduulf said ... since the statement summed up my thoughts better than I ever could.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep because even if they aren't mentioned in the current version of the article (which is not a requirement, and never has been, even if this page has seen a lot of "delete because the current version doesn't mention it" nominations for the past few years). These redirects help people figure out something about the subject, and something is more than nothing. I wouldn't object to retargeting an individual redirect, if there were a more sensible page for it to point to (e.g., if someone ever wrote an article on a an academic division of Humanities and social sciences), but until there is a specific need to retarget, I see no value in just deleting them. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- That's all fine in theory, but the current target doesn't tell anyone anything useful - if they know that this is a journal they might be able to figure out that this article about a journal publisher is relevant because they publish this journal, however if they know this is a journal they probably already know who publishes it so it's unhelpful (it doesn't help them find more information but instead actively makes finding that harder). If they don't know that this is a journal, then this page will most likely just leave them confused, so it's unhelpful - it's even worse if someone is looking for information about the academic discipline. "Something is better than nothing" can be true, but is not always - the test for a redirect is always is it more useful than harmful, and in this case there is near zero utility and lots of (potential) harm so there is no justification for its existence. Thryduulf (talk) 00:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- It tells me something useful, especially if I encounter the link in the middle of a citation, and since citations don't normally name the publisher, then it's not true that "if they know this is a journal they probably already know who publishes it". See also WP:RFD#KEEP #5: "Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do."
- Of course it would be better if the article itself was improved, but nothing we do about the redirect will affect the article's contents, and once editors declare (without evidence) that an academic journal isn't notable, then it can be difficult to get any information about the journal into an article. I spent hours trying to add independent sources to List of MDPI academic journals last year, and someone removed it because independently sourced information is – in his personal opinion – "promotional". I would not be entirely surprised if any attempt to list the journals for this publisher would also get such a reaction. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- If there is consensus that we shouldn't have any information about this journal, which seems to be what you are describing (see also WP:NOTDIRECTORY), then we should not have a redirect pointing to our lack of information about this journal because that actively misleads readers trying to find information. RFD#KEEP point 5 is not a trump card, some people saying they find it slightly useful if they see it in certain context that, with their prior experience, gives them enough hints to understand that when they arrive at a page that offers no information about their search term they can make a guess at why they are there and use that to guess something about the topic that might or might not be correct, relevant or helpful is hardly evidence that the counter arguments about harm, confusion and unhelpfulness are incorrect - especially when the required initial context is not the only way people will arrive here. Additionally, redirects should not be used as an end-run around consensus to exclude (or lack of consensus to include) information about non-notable topics. Thryduulf (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- WP:RFD#KEEP #5 is not a trump card no, but WP:IAR is. Wikipedia is better off with these redirects than without them. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- In what way is confusing and misleading readers better for the encyclopaedia than not confusing or misleading them? Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- This is the most wide-spread "WP:IAR" claim I have ever seen on Wikipedia to a point where WP:IAR doesn't apply anymore. Either get a policy created for this crap, or stop claiming WP:IAR since it isn't WP:IAR due to all the discussions for such redirects. Yeah, I'm being pedantic, but whatever. Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Indeed, WP:IARUNCOMMON is relevant here. There over 1600 redirects to this article alone, that's not something IAR could justify even if the rule you are ignoring was preventing you from improving the encyclopaedia (which it isn't). Thryduulf (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- It can easily justify them, because they all are beneficial to both the reader, by warning them these journals are associated with predatory publishers, and to Wikipedia by being needed for the WP:CITEWATCH. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- (Sorry for my intentional WP:BLUDGEON here since I hate it when others do it, but anyways): Then WP:IARUNCOMMON applies here like a hawk. Get the relevant policies updated since WP:IAR should not apply to something of this scale/magnitude; your WP:IAR claim really isn't valid anymore due to how often you have done this. Steel1943 (talk) 20:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Steel1943 has it spot on here - if you can justify all these redirects then you should have no problem at all getting a consensus for amending the relevant policy so you don't need to ignore any rules and so IAR doesn't apply. If on the other hand you can't get such a consensus then what you are doing is clearly not improving the encyclopaedia so IAR doesn't apply. However, it's not just one rule you are attempting to ignore here - you're trying to ignore at least WP:ADVOCACY, WP:RGW, WP:N, WP:NOTDIR and (arguably) WP:NPOV as well as long-standing consensuses regarding redirects needing to be mentioned. Trying to shove all that into a single WP:IAR is not acceptable. Thryduulf (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- IARUNCOMMON is a two-sentence "essay" written by yourself. And nowhere does it say that IAR stands for "Ignore A Rule". Basically, your last remark argues for abandoning IAR completely. --Randykitty (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- The point here is that WP:IAR has been used every time to validate the current situation ... well over a thousand times. WP:IAR is to be used for rare exceptions; no way 1000+ existent instances of something is considered rare. Steel1943 (talk) 22:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I have to admit that I missed the 999 other discussions. --Randykitty (talk) 22:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- ...You missed the statement above stating there are about 1600 similar redirects pointing towards this target? Steel1943 (talk) 22:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that, so that's 1 case. Now point me to the other 999. --Randykitty (talk) 14:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- IAR is being claimed as the justification for all of the redirects from journal names to this article, and (presumably) for similar redirects to other publishers. Given that the redirects require rules to be ignored in order to exist but the target articles don't (or at least I don't recall anyone claiming they do) it is the redirects that are being enumerated. Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that, so that's 1 case. Now point me to the other 999. --Randykitty (talk) 14:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- ...You missed the statement above stating there are about 1600 similar redirects pointing towards this target? Steel1943 (talk) 22:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I have to admit that I missed the 999 other discussions. --Randykitty (talk) 22:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- It may have been written by myself (in response to someone else quoting my words) but nowhere I've used it, or where I've seen others use it, has anyone rebutted it (including you here). Length is not relevant - indeed it's longer than WP:IAR itself. Most importantly IAR is not a get-out-of-jail-free card, you must have a good reason why the rules need to be ignored and the outcome of ignoring those rules must be an improvement to the encyclopaedia that was not possible without ignoring the rules. For a handful of instances it's no big deal if you don't get consensus for a small change that's unquestionably an improvement, however it is a very big deal if you're using it to justify tens of actions (in this case over one thousand six hundred actions) that are, at best, of dubious benefit (or as here actually a net disbenefit). It's worth noting that the community strongly desires advance consensus for mass actions that don't require any rules to be ignored, which is further evidence that ignoring rules on a mass scale is inappropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 22:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- The point here is that WP:IAR has been used every time to validate the current situation ... well over a thousand times. WP:IAR is to be used for rare exceptions; no way 1000+ existent instances of something is considered rare. Steel1943 (talk) 22:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- IARUNCOMMON is a two-sentence "essay" written by yourself. And nowhere does it say that IAR stands for "Ignore A Rule". Basically, your last remark argues for abandoning IAR completely. --Randykitty (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- It can easily justify them, because they all are beneficial to both the reader, by warning them these journals are associated with predatory publishers, and to Wikipedia by being needed for the WP:CITEWATCH. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Indeed, WP:IARUNCOMMON is relevant here. There over 1600 redirects to this article alone, that's not something IAR could justify even if the rule you are ignoring was preventing you from improving the encyclopaedia (which it isn't). Thryduulf (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- WP:RFD#KEEP #5 is not a trump card no, but WP:IAR is. Wikipedia is better off with these redirects than without them. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- If there is consensus that we shouldn't have any information about this journal, which seems to be what you are describing (see also WP:NOTDIRECTORY), then we should not have a redirect pointing to our lack of information about this journal because that actively misleads readers trying to find information. RFD#KEEP point 5 is not a trump card, some people saying they find it slightly useful if they see it in certain context that, with their prior experience, gives them enough hints to understand that when they arrive at a page that offers no information about their search term they can make a guess at why they are there and use that to guess something about the topic that might or might not be correct, relevant or helpful is hardly evidence that the counter arguments about harm, confusion and unhelpfulness are incorrect - especially when the required initial context is not the only way people will arrive here. Additionally, redirects should not be used as an end-run around consensus to exclude (or lack of consensus to include) information about non-notable topics. Thryduulf (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- That's all fine in theory, but the current target doesn't tell anyone anything useful - if they know that this is a journal they might be able to figure out that this article about a journal publisher is relevant because they publish this journal, however if they know this is a journal they probably already know who publishes it so it's unhelpful (it doesn't help them find more information but instead actively makes finding that harder). If they don't know that this is a journal, then this page will most likely just leave them confused, so it's unhelpful - it's even worse if someone is looking for information about the academic discipline. "Something is better than nothing" can be true, but is not always - the test for a redirect is always is it more useful than harmful, and in this case there is near zero utility and lots of (potential) harm so there is no justification for its existence. Thryduulf (talk) 00:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- If I'm not missing something, the latter three redirects aren't tagged. J947 † edits 21:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- I've added the list of journals, which should address the concerns of @Uanfala, Thryduulf, Steel1943, and Nikkimaria: now that HSS is mentioned at the article. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- The addition of the list is definitely an improvement to the article, and I'm sure some editors would be happy with redirects to list entries. However, I don't see a redirect as useful if the only relevant information about its topic in the target article is the fact that it exists. Also, my main concerns were to do with the redirect's ambiguity. – Uanfala (talk) 10:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Another indicator of this ambiguity comes from the incoming links: I've had a look, and I've had to change all five of them [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] as they intended other topics. – Uanfala (talk) 11:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- These links exists because of poor grammar, and People Who Believe Their Position and Field of Study is Very Important and Thus Must Be Capitalized. These aren't legitimate standalone topics, they're just your standard XY crossbreeds. Or flat out bad links (e.g. Graduate School of Humanities and Social Sciences should be Graduate School of Humanities and Social Sciences) Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- The addition of the list is definitely an improvement to the article, and I'm sure some editors would be happy with redirects to list entries. However, I don't see a redirect as useful if the only relevant information about its topic in the target article is the fact that it exists. Also, my main concerns were to do with the redirect's ambiguity. – Uanfala (talk) 10:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Another indicator of this ambiguity comes from the incoming links: I've had a look, and I've had to change all five of them [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] as they intended other topics. – Uanfala (talk) 11:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep at least the latter two redirects as they fairly unambiguously refer to the journal. Unsure what to do with the others. J947 † edits 21:11, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep the latter two per J947. Disambiguate one of the former two, and retarget the other to it. Rename the existing ones as Humanities and Social Sciences (journal), Humanities & Social Sciences (journal) to remove ambiguity, and so they can continue to be linked in citations. Tag as {{R from journal}}. Or create the dab at Humanities and social sciences, with one of the entries to Humanities, arts, and social sciences (it is better than nothing per WhatamIdoing
). Also, there is one article section Humanities#Humanistic theories and practices that briefly provides a comparison of humanities and social sciences. Brief, but could be exactly what some readers are looking for. Jay 💬 13:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To allow further discussion now that the journal is mentioned at the target article, which previously did not mention journal names.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Headbomb: the merits of keeping outweigh those of not, and the journal is actually mentioned. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
I took the wok to poland
- I took the wok to poland → Poland (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Not sure how this relates to the song. Perhaps it's a lyric? But if so, it's not mentioned in the article. Onel5969 TT me 18:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Keep – Fine {{R from lyric}}.Per Genius' lyrics, the chorus consists of "I took the Wock' to Poland" being repeated 3 times, so it's very plausible that someone might search for the lyrics (misspelling "Wock" as "Wok" is plausible as well) without knowing the name of the song, such as if they overheard it somewhere such as on radio or in a club. Song lyrics are also not acceptable to paste into Wikipedia articles due to copyright concerns, so "not mentioned in the article" isn't something that can be fixed. Randi Moth (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)- Neutral – The wrong capitalisation of "Poland" makes it much less plausible as a search term, since I took the wok to Poland already exists. I'm not entirely certain whether it's implausible enough to delete, however. Randi Moth (talk) 19:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Draft:All of the Girls
- Draft:All of the Girls → Lover (album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Not sure why a draft is redirected to an unrelated article... This should be a quick delete imo. Ippantekina (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Per the edit histories of this page and All of the Girls, any content at the nominated redirect's title is and has always been a redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Digits
- Wikipedia:Digits → Project Digits (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Implausible CNR from Wikipedia to article namespace. Strangely, the redirect page uses the DISPLAYTITLE magic word in order to display "Project: Digits". I don't know what purpose this redirect serves, but in the absence of a valid rationale it should either be deleted or retargeted to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Grouping of digits. I have a slight preference for the latter however, as the differently capitalised redirect Wikipedia:DIGITS also points to that section. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 13:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom in the absence of a valid rationale. Jay 💬 13:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: "Project:" in a page title is parsed as "Wikipedia:", so Project: Digits resolves to Wikipedia:Digits. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, you gave a reasoning for the redirect, which while I find unconvincing, would have been enough to make me withdraw the nomination. However, Jay has already commented "Delete" so I can no longer do it. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Keep: Per Paul above and from the precedent from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 30#Wikipedia:ALF which dealt with a similar Project: redirect issue.TartarTorte 13:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)- That could be the case if "Project Digits" is also referred to as "Project: Digits" (with the colon). But is that the case? Project Mersh / Project Destiny have a hatnote saying
The correct title of this article is Project: Mersh. The omission of the colon is due to technical restrictions.
Not so at Digits. Jay 💬 14:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- That could be the case if "Project Digits" is also referred to as "Project: Digits" (with the colon). But is that the case? Project Mersh / Project Destiny have a hatnote saying
- Retarget per nom (preferred over deletion) to match the capitalized shortcut. I see no evidence that the subject of the article is known by the title with a colon: the article and all of the sources in it refer to it as "Project Digits" without a colon. Page views don't suggest it's being used that way. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Retarget per Ivanvector, as I too cannot find any evidence of any of the various "project digits" that Google tells me exist(ed) are referred to with the colon. Thryduulf (talk) 17:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Retarget per Ivanvector. As the creator of this redirect almost 3 years ago, I have no idea what I was thinking at the time. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Humor (funny)
- Humor (funny) → Humour (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
A {{R from move}} that has been the target page's title for 7 minutes. Implausible disambiguator, unlikely to be useful. Randi Moth (talk) 12:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- I suppose it's a plausible disambiguator as the word humor can also mean "mood" (as in "She was in an ill humor"). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per Mr. Granger, wikt:humour can also mean fumes and bodily fluids. -- 65.92.244.249 (talk) 05:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Puasa
Puasa is not the alternative language for Ramadan. Ramadan is the month in the Islamic calendar, while Puasa is "fasting" in Malay.
While Malayans and Indonesians sometimes refer to "Ramadan" as "fasting month" that didn't make Puasa an alternative language. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 11:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- I created the redirect because on the Ramadan page it says it in the "Also called" part of the infobox. If that is incorrect, then I'd understand if it's deleted. greyzxq talk 16:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Very few of the results google is giving me are in English, which makes finding how the term is used in English tricky, and what I have found is not definitive one way or the other but [6] does back up the redirect's current target. Hari raya puasa redirects to Eid al-Fitr, and that seems correct. Thryduulf (talk) 17:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. While it's mentioned in the article, I don't think that means there should be a redirect. WP:RLOTE indicates that a redirect from a foreign language should have special signifance for the area where that language is spoken. Ramadan has a global scope, not a regional one so I don't think that is the case here. Additionally, while Islam is the majority religion in Malaysia and Indonesia, I don't think that in itself is enough to establish special affinity. Catholicism is the majority religion in Poland, even more so than Islam in Malaysia or Indonesia (if "religion in..." articles on Wikipedia are to be believed), yet Wielki post does not redirect to Lent (despite being mentioned in the article) nor should it. In this case I think it's better to allow uninhibited searching. – Scyrme (talk) 20:19, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, but not per WP:RLOTE. "Puasa" is part of Malaysian English [7], in particular as part of the phrase buka puasa (iftar) [8]. But the word "puasa" alone is kind of a WP:PTM: too vague to tell whether someone is trying to find "bulan puasa" i.e. Ramadan, or fasting in Islam. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 11:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Envrionment Green Party of Kenya
- Envrionment Green Party of Kenya → Mazingira Green Party of Kenya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Unlikely typo of Environment Green Party of Kenya, Envrionment does not exist either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Deltee [sic] per nom. Duckmather (talk) 03:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Bangkok 12th district
- Bangkok 12th district → 2011 Thai general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
- Bangkok 11th district → 2011 Thai general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Electoral districts in Thailand have changed numbers with every recent election, so the 12th district in one election has no relation whatsoever to the 12th district in the next. The titles in question were created as articles about districts in the 2011 election, which have since been merged/redirected to the 2011 Thai general election article. I just moved the page histories to Bangkok 12th district (2011) and Bangkok 11th district (2011). The undisambiguated names are confusing redirects and should be deleted, as there are no existing articles to disambiguate to or create set indices for. Paul_012 (talk) 10:18, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
ASDFGH
There is no value in creating redirects for every single combination of letters formed from the rows of a Qwerty keyboard. This isn't even a full row, so there's especially no reason to keep it. An anonymous username, not my real name 23:56, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Would a retarget to Keysmash be helpful or is that a stretch? – Scyrme (talk) 00:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- A stretch, but given how often the WP community votes to keep redirects just because they might be useful (and of course WP:CHEAP), I would at least rather see this retargeted to the article you brought up than left alone. An anonymous username, not my real name 04:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- As far as I can ascertain this does not seem to be an alternative name of QWERTY as the creator asserts, but I am happy to be proved wrong on that front. Keysmash does mention similar terms, but from a look about it seems that this string is more notably associated with passwords. Therefore retarget to Password_strength#Examples_of_weak_passwords where this specific string is mentioned. I'm of the disposition that the reader searching this up is bored and does not know what to do, so leading them to a hopefully interesting article is what we should do here. So for this highly unconventional reason I'm slightly opposed to deletion in this particular instance. J947 † edits 04:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- When I looked about (searching
"ASDFGH"
with quotes) I only found references to keysmashes. What did you search to get weak passwords instead? Did you only use Wikipedia's own search engine instead of an external search engine? – Scyrme (talk) 14:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)- Most articles in the News tab are about passwords. J947 † edits 18:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- When I looked about (searching
- Comment: Just to note that there is also Asdfghjkl, Asdfghjkl; (redirects elsewhere), and ZXCVBNM, which are all similar in some form to the ASDFGH redirect. (Should these be looked into now or maybe later down the road?) --Super Goku V (talk) 01:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Delete: I doubt anyone typing in ASDFGH is actually looking for keysmash, but I don't think retargeting to Password strength#Examples of weak passwords will do much good either. Either delete or keep at current target. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 04:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 10:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep per WP:CHEAP. If you tried to type QWERTY but were off by one row, you'd end up with ASDFGH. I don't see how it could refer to anything else, so it's not ambiguous or confusing. It seems to be used often enough for WP:RFD#K5 to apply. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:18, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Why couldn't it refer to keysmash or to a weak password (both mentioned above)? Keysmashes are sometimes emphatically capitalised, and the 'examples of weak passwords' section linked by J947 lists this exact sequence (although not in this exact case, and admittedly it also lists "qwerty"). – Scyrme (talk) 17:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- It could refer to keysmash, but you really could make that argument for literally any combination of letters. Here's mine: 'wat4bmhi1. Surprisingly, no rdirct thr. I also sm to hav brokn my E ky. Ivanvctor (Talk/dits) 18:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Why couldn't it refer to keysmash or to a weak password (both mentioned above)? Keysmashes are sometimes emphatically capitalised, and the 'examples of weak passwords' section linked by J947 lists this exact sequence (although not in this exact case, and admittedly it also lists "qwerty"). – Scyrme (talk) 17:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note that this, as well as the two mentioned by @Super Goku V, are also rows on the QWERTZ keyboard layout. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
SHABIR AHMED
- SHABIR AHMED → List of Afghan detainees at Guantanamo Bay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Without justification as to why the subject of this redirect might have a special affinity toward ALL CAPS, this is ambiguous with the many other Shabir Ahmeds of the en.wp world. J947 † edits 05:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Weak disambiguate if possible. However, I can see this may be difficult and so I am also fine with deletion. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 19:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- DELETE due to being in all-caps. There's already a disambiguation page at Shabbir Ahmed (in fact, I added a large number of people to that page today; there may be duplicates, but without further sourcing it's hard to say). I would also weakly support redirecting to Shabbir Ahmed, although the all caps is kind of unnatural. Duckmather (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Rules of the Senate
- Rules of the Senate → Standing Rules of the United States Senate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Just bringing this up here for discussion: does this term unambiguously refer to the rules of the U.S. Senate? J947 † edits 05:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - besides the target there are, at least, Canadian Senate Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament, Standing Rules of the United States Senate, Rule XIX, United States Senate Committee on Rules, and Philippine Senate Committee on Rules, found in a few pages of search results, as well as numerous articles which contain the phrase "Rules of the Senate" with that exact capitalization. There's also Parliamentary procedure (the target of Robert's Rules of Order), with a general overview of the concept but not discussing Senates specificaly. I think search results are better here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oops, that's Rules of order, not Robert's Rules. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Since there are so many rules systems in various senates, and since I fail to see how the U.S.' is the primary topic, I would suggest disambiguation. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 13:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The fact that we have several articles on this, none of which are clearly WP:PTOPIC, means that a dab might be warranted for navigational purposes. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 21:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)