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Copyright violations on Chartered Institutes for the Management of Sport and Physical Activity
Thank you for flagging the copyright violation. I agree with the removal. However, there was other content that was removed that did not come from the website you flagged. This included infobox additions, a new section, and other text in the introduction not related to the vision/mission paragraphs.
I have reintroduced these elements onto the page. I will leave mission/vision absent.
COI on my profile. Happy to add elsewhere if needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Reece_at_CIMSPA
- While it may not seem like the right thing to do, it is convention, when identifying a copyright issue, to do a rollback, which sometimes picks up other copyright issues and sometimes picks up inrelated,a nd non-problematic issues. You are always welcome to restore the non-copyright issue edits.
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Disagreement re Gautrain article
Hi there, You completely deleted all my edits on the Gautrain article for supposed copyright issues. I respectfully disagree. There is certainly absolutely no justification to delete everything I wrote and other changes I made. You not only deleated EVERYTHING I wrote but even deleted the reorganisation of the article, which certainly cannot represent a copyright issue. What exactly do you consider a copyright issue, please? Can you please restore and let me amend what you consider problematic? thank you Fmjwiki (talk) 15:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- When an editor encounters a copyright violation, it is standard practice to perform what is called a rollback, which is in undoing of all consecutive edits by the same editor. While this action is understandably viewed as a possible overreaction, experience shows that when a single edit is a copyright violation, simply undoing that specific edit might damage the article, as the edits before and after the problematic edit are often related, and it is best to remove all of the edits and start over.
- If you want to contest the copyright violation I will be happy to discuss it with you to determine whether it was valid. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree. First I don't believe there was a copyright violation but secondly, this doesn't justify a general rollback. Who gives you the autority to do all this without any discussion? A reorganisation of the article for example certainly isn't a copyright violation. I wrote paragraphs that are now gone and cannot even be retrieved. You re not only reverting edits, you bluntly delete content . The consequences of your intervention are substantial. I think you should justify what you consider a copyright violation and why and not me proving that there is none. What I find particularly shocking is that I can't even retrieve what you deleted to re-use/adjust. I am more than happy to hear and understand what you consider problematic, but I am really shocked by how this is done without any consideration for my work. How can we sort this out please? --Fmjwiki (talk) 09:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I have to run to a meeting, but your material is retrievable. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'm back from my meeting. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- There are several issues to discuss. One is whether your edit constituted a copyright violation. I double checked and it still seems to be the case but we can discuss. However there are some other issues worth mentioning.
secondly, this doesn't justify a general rollback.
It is standard procedure to do a rollback when addressing a copyright violation. There are good reasons for this. A rollback has the potential of sweeping in acceptable edits while addressing copyright violations. If we sort out the copyright violation we can discuss edits that might be preserved.A reorganisation of the article for example certainly isn't a copyright violation.
A reorganization often triggers a false positive. When that's the only issue, while I can't speak for other editors, I know I look for this and often mark potential issue as not an issue because it arises from reorganization. While I realize you have an edit identified as reorganization that's not the edit that triggered the issue.You re not only reverting edits, you bluntly delete content .
It wasn't blunt it's the result of a rollback which we can discuss, but as noted above that's standard procedureThe consequences of your intervention are substantial.
Not really. If you convince me that I made a mistake, I can restore the results in secondsI think you should justify what you consider a copyright violation
I do and didnot me proving that there is none.
This makes no sense. I think there was a copyright violation. You disagreed, I have double checked and still think there's a copyright violation. If the burden is not on you then who? If it's on me I've already done that step. I identified the edit and identified the potential source. I do make mistakes but there's no mysterious third-party that's going to step in if you choose not toWhat I find particularly shocking is that I can't even retrieve what you deleted to re-use/adjust.
You can't but I can as mentioned above. I don't get why it's shocking to you but that's not particularly important- Back to the copyright violation. I change the visibility of the edit so you can see your edit. You can also look at this page and see that a substantial portion of your edit matches Word for Word the linked site. That in itself is not definitive evidence. Perhaps the linked site is acceptably licensed although I don't see it. Perhaps the linked site took the information from something you wrote but that seems highly unlikely. Perhaps is another alternative I haven't considered
- ____________ S Philbrick(Talk) 18:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I have to run to a meeting, but your material is retrievable. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree. First I don't believe there was a copyright violation but secondly, this doesn't justify a general rollback. Who gives you the autority to do all this without any discussion? A reorganisation of the article for example certainly isn't a copyright violation. I wrote paragraphs that are now gone and cannot even be retrieved. You re not only reverting edits, you bluntly delete content . The consequences of your intervention are substantial. I think you should justify what you consider a copyright violation and why and not me proving that there is none. What I find particularly shocking is that I can't even retrieve what you deleted to re-use/adjust. I am more than happy to hear and understand what you consider problematic, but I am really shocked by how this is done without any consideration for my work. How can we sort this out please? --Fmjwiki (talk) 09:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback. It's fair to say we still disagree, notably on the process. General rollback and presumption of guilt is not appropriate in my view. But let's focus on the alleged copyright violation. The "substantial portion" of my edit that matches the site is the factual list of rail network extension branches envisaged. The site in question , which I didn't even know, actuelly itself copy pasted this from an official autority site (which I had consulted). A list of extension branches envisaged for a rail network is not a copyright violation of some intellectual writing production in my view but I will adjust so the words are different and the match cannot be detected anymore. I hope I can now retrieve my edits again, redo them with the required adjustments. All this remains absolutely disproportionate and is very discouraging for Wikipedia users. --Fmjwiki (talk) 07:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- Lists are one of the more challenging copyright issues. I don't plan to delve into the details but a simple list of Station locations is probably fine, but when those locations are expanded into a descriptive sentence, it is likely you crossed the boundary into creative content. Editors working in copyright generally take the view that we should air on the side of caution — something that might prevail in a court case means there has to be a court case which is a significant issue. Rewriting in your own words would solve the problem.
- As I mentioned, it would be straightforward to restore the article to how it looked before I did the rollback and let you work on a rewrite, I see that you have made substantial edits since that rollback so there's no trivial way to reinstate the rollback to recover your reorganization and salvage of subsequent edits.
- As for the process, you are welcome to debate the policy at the policy page within wp:village pump, or if you have a specific proposal you can propose that on the proposal page within village pump.
- I'm not oblivious to the fact that putting work into an article and seeing it rolledback is disheartening. However, had you Simply responded that you disagreed and opened a discussion, I could have easily undone the rollback to let you rewrite the problematic sentences. You chose a different approach and frankly I'm on the cusp of giving up on this project, and if I walk away from Wikipedia it will be because of reactions like yours. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Coda: you pretty much ruined my day yesterday, but when I decided to reach out to another editor to get a second set of eyes on this issue, I stumbled across a TED talk "The Joy of Learning Random Things on Wikipedia", which brightened up my day.
Hello @Fmjwiki: The page you cited as a source is this one, which while an official page is also marked as copyright: "© Copyright 2012 - 2018 Gautrain Management Agency. All rights reserved." The case is borderline, verging on list-like material, but it's unacceptable to copy it verbatim, because you also copied the surrounding prose. I have found a way to make it more copyright compliant, by altering/omitting some of the prose, and alphabetizing the lists of stations, which seemed to be listed in random order anyways rather than in sequential geographic order. And Fmjwiki, I can understand that you were upset when you saw your work undone, but I think you over-reacted here, as you only lost a series of edits that took you five minutes to perform. Not substanital consequences, not shocking; and it's the kind of thing you will likely encounter again in your Wikipedia career. So please consider reacting in a more measured way when you have a complaint about someone's actions. — Diannaa (talk) 13:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Diannaa:, I had already made modifications when re-inserting the content as per remarks made. I do not believe I have overreacted here. I am still shocked by the way presumption of guilt and general rollback is considered acceptable for both of you. And before I was complaining, the content wasn't even available anymore for me to retrieve and adapt. On your edits: an alphabetizing list of stations doesn't make sense at all for a user to understand a project, to me it needs to be geographic to be understandable. I will double check with the maps on the Gautrain Management Agency website. In any case, I think the "borderline" maybe copyright issue is now solved.--Fmjwiki (talk) 07:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Content forking
I reverted your recent edit to Mario Bunge. The section you added struck me as WP:UNDUE weight on a very minor part of Bunge's work and also as undesirable WP:Content forking of the article from which you copied it (Protoscience). Instead of copying a whole section like that and thereby spawning a content fork, it's best wherever possible to transclude the section (for example: Scientific method § Invariant explanation) or, if the whole section isn't required, as I think is true in this case, simply link to the section in the other article. I replaced the copied section with a sentence and a link, which is more appropriate weight for this topic in relation to the whole of Bunge's work.
One very positive side effect of your edit was that I checked the original section in Protoscience and noticed that all the references in it were incorrect, so I was able to correct that! Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 03:32, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, Sphilbrick, I just noticed that it wasn't you who copied the section, it was Cerebrality. I will leave a note on their talk page. Biogeographist (talk) 03:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
East Norriton revert
You said "copyright issues" was the reason that you reverted my edit. Could you perhaps clarify the copyright issues? Thank you. G'year talk·mail 22:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- By the way, the article link is here. G'year talk·mail 23:08, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- Also, that website you mentioned in your edit summary said it used the Township of East Norriton, which I cited in my edit, as its source. G'year talk·mail 23:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- The material you added in your edit was too close to the text in the source. Text added in an edit should be sourced, which you did, but it should also be written in your own words in most cases, which did not appear to be the case. There are some exceptions to writing it in your own words such as material in the public domain, or short passages identified as quotes from the original. S Philbrick(Talk) 23:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- All well, but why did you make my edit invisible? A westman talk e-mail 15:33, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- That's standard procedure. We not only want to remove copyright violations from the current visible article but also from history. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- All well, but why did you make my edit invisible? A westman talk e-mail 15:33, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- The material you added in your edit was too close to the text in the source. Text added in an edit should be sourced, which you did, but it should also be written in your own words in most cases, which did not appear to be the case. There are some exceptions to writing it in your own words such as material in the public domain, or short passages identified as quotes from the original. S Philbrick(Talk) 23:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Katherine Hoover
Hello S Philbrick,
Please help, as I am very confused. If you review other notable composers who have articles in Wikipedia you will find that they may have a separate article listing their Compositions. If you search for "lists of compositions by..." You will see many acceptable examples. Also, if you review ways to improve a composer's article adding a separate list of compositions is recommended.
Katherine Hoover's main article has gotten very long. It is also difficult to see her importance to contemporary classical music for flutes. I have submitted a "list of compositions by Katherine Hoover" For approval as a new article. After it is approved this deletion can be made from her main article. I hope I did not misunderstand the ways to improve a composer's article.
I can provide specific examples of what I am trying to do and I'm confused as to the most appropriate way to do it. Please help, I do not know what to do.
Thank you for your time, AJ, AjAirFlex (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- This edit Added quite a number of compositions.
- That wasn't the problem — the problem was the subsequent edit which appeared to be simply copied from this page.
- It is standard procedure when removing a copy right violation to do a rollback which undoes all consecutive edits by the same editor. In most cases, that's the right step. In this case, I can see that you added a long list of compositions and then followed it up with material that I think has a copyright issue. I've modified my edit to permit the list of compositions. We can still talk about the subsequent edit if you disagree with my assessment. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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Advice regarding copyvios
Hi Sphilbrick! I noticed on the Frankfurt Christmas Market, Birmingham that you made an edit that reverted my "Template:Copyvio" template on coprighted text that was added by another user but did not remove the copyrighted text.[1] (The text was later removed by another user because it was "borderline advertising-like"). Copyright issues on Wikipedia are something I'm not super well versed in, so I wanted to make sure that I didn't make any mistakes in the future. Was adding this template appropriate for this article and situation? If not, how should I handle it when I notice what I believe to be copyrighted content? Thanks so much for any advice! Wikipedialuva (talk) 01:48, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- No, you were fine. In looking at the history trying to sort out exactly what happened and confess I don't fully follow it. The article came to my attention because it appeared in a CopyPatrol listing, which was triggered by an edit by Gazzapeal. Frankly, I didn't look too closely will notice, but I did note that the editor made several edits, all problematic so I chose to revert to a version before the beginning of the sequence. Because I thought I was cleaning out all of the problems, it seemed logical to remove your notice as well so the edit summary talks about reverting good-faith edits by you, which may leave the impression that your edits were problematic. That's not the case. It also appears that my choice of a reversion point wasn't ideal and left some problematic material which was removed by a subsequent editor. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Additionally, you asked advice regarding best practices and I'm still mulling this over.
- The state-of-the-art regarding handling copyright issues is evolving. I'm aware of two bots which revert copyright violations. I wasn't involved in the creation of either I will make a comment about both of them but it's based on observation rather than truly knowing how they work. I believe both of these bots examine brand-new edits — they aren't scouring existing articles looking for copyright articles they are only drinking from the fire hose of new edits. I've never look closely at the results but I am unaware of any thoughts positives. It's also my impression that they catch only a modest proportion of copyright violations.
- The more important tool is that all new edits are examined and some are flagged in the Copypatrol tool. These flagged edits are reviewed by volunteers such as myself. A significant portion of these edits are reviewed by humans within hours of creation and most within a day or two.
- My suggestion is that if you see an edit that appears to be a copyright violation, and that edit is recent (less than a couple days old) you should either fix it yourself if you feel comfortable, or let it go and count on it showing up in the Copypatrol tool. If it is older than that then tagging it with the template you used is appropriate.
- If you have any interest in helping, Copyptrol is understaffed, and could use help. As you can see from the leaderboard, a relatively small handful of users is trying to address the hundreds of reports that show up each week. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying and for such a thorough response about both my edit and how to address possible copyvio issues going forward. Also, thanks for letting me know about Copyptrol; I had not heard of this, but it looks like something that I might be able to help with. Wikipedialuva (talk) 08:07, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Politico copyright
Since when Politico is a violation of copyright? Snarcky1996 (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Since forever. They've never been freely licensed as far as I know. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
USAToday copyright issue
You reverted a USAToday citation due to copyright concerns on the VoteRiders page. USA Today is listed as a generally reliable source in Wikipedia. Please elaborate your concerns. Gumballhead1of2 (talk) 13:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- The issue has nothing to do with it being a reliable source. I agree it is a reliable source but the content is copyrighted so you cannot simply copy it. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Copyright issue on Black Canary
Hi, I came across your message on User talk:NyssaFloors, and I noticed that the user was performing a valid merge (though they should've included attribution) from a article deleted via AfD. The blog you cited as the copied site is a backwards copy. Our version of the article had the text before the blog did, and at the bottom of the blog it says "Source of article: Wikipedia". See [2]. Please reverse the revdel. Thanks! ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 00:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's critical to identify when working on a merge. I trust it's obvious that such an edit is highly likely to trigger our Copypatrol tool, and seeing the edit summary explanation is the best way to identify it as a false positive. I think of merging as a fairly sophisticated edit so I'm surprised to see it from a brand-new editor but I suppose it's possible. If they would like to contact me, we can talk about next steps. S Philbrick(Talk) 01:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused, now that the copyright problem has been cleared up (correct me if I'm wrong), is the remaining problem an improperly performed merge? Is the revdel still needed? ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 01:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know, I haven't had a chance to look into it S Philbrick(Talk) 13:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- I reverted my reversion. Thanks for letting me know. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused, now that the copyright problem has been cleared up (correct me if I'm wrong), is the remaining problem an improperly performed merge? Is the revdel still needed? ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 01:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Copyright Question
Hello I am writing with a question of importance to an issue of academic dishonesty; I am hoping for your quick help. On October 30th you removed some information from this page for copyright m: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Marmon_Silko. I do not see the passages that were removed from wikipedia on the shmoop.com site you reference. Can you provide any information on what led you to think these passages were on shmoop.com and when they were there (as they are not currently). Thank you! 76.16.237.103 (talk) 14:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what's happening. The report:
- https://api.ithenticate.com/en_us/dv/20220511?lang=en_us&o=103317409
- Clearly identifies the sentences I removed. I typically do not simply accept the report but check myself confirm that the material is in the source as identified. However I don't see it now, so I reverted.
- It is still problematic to include unsourced material, but I am narrowly working on copyright issues, and I don't see it now so I've undone my reversion S Philbrick(Talk) 20:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- thank you so much for your reply! I should be clear we do not believe the passages that were uploaded are valid from the book Ceremony and as such it is appropriate for you to remove them from this site. What we are trying to understand is whether those passages ever existed shmoop.com but may have been deleted. It seems your copyright tool identified that they had existed there at some point which would be helpful for us to know. Is it possible that your copyright tool was matching to a previous date on shmoop.com and the site has been edited since with the passages removed? Thank you for your time! 76.16.237.103 (talk) 22:43, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- That's a possibility. Most of the time, I make sure the passages identified in the iThenticate tool can be found in the source. I use the term "most" because I can think of a couple of exceptions and when I see a couple I literally mean a couple like maybe two times in the last few hundred, and this wasn't one of them, so while I don't affirmatively recall seeing the text, that is my usual practice.
- Your supposition is plausible. I did briefly try to search for the relevant passages to see if I can find them elsewhere and failed. I think they could be removed for reasons other than copyright but that's not a step I'm ready to take so if someone else wants to, go for it. S Philbrick(Talk) 01:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- thank you so much for your reply! I should be clear we do not believe the passages that were uploaded are valid from the book Ceremony and as such it is appropriate for you to remove them from this site. What we are trying to understand is whether those passages ever existed shmoop.com but may have been deleted. It seems your copyright tool identified that they had existed there at some point which would be helpful for us to know. Is it possible that your copyright tool was matching to a previous date on shmoop.com and the site has been edited since with the passages removed? Thank you for your time! 76.16.237.103 (talk) 22:43, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Copyright issue: Nikolay Zefirov
Hello!
I'm writing with a question with Draft:Nikolay Zefirov page.
My fault, the page may have contained some of the sentences from the Arxivoc article. But it was a rough Draft, so I didn't have enough time to fix it. I just included a snippet of text so I don't forget to mention it in future parts. And now I don't have the original text (it took me a whole day of work on a school project, I ended up losing about 2k/4k characters) to fix it :(
Also, I have no ability to undo your everting to the latest version :((
can you undo your revertion, please? I will fixed it asap!
thanks a lot!
Best wishes,
Xenia ~~~~ Barashkovaxe (talk) 16:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry.
- I am aware, because I seen it happen often, that new editors are under the impression that it's okay to incorporate copyrighted text into a draft as long as they plan to clean it up at some time. That is absolutely not permitted. While it is never a good idea to start with copyrighted text, if you must, you must do it off-line. Sorry but I'm unable to restore copyrighted text for you. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- You can find the text here, but it was 245 words which I think qualifies is more than "a snippet of text" S Philbrick(Talk) 18:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- This is the reference text, I already have it. Unfortunatelly, I have no copy of my own text.
- That about words - the half of the text is list of awards and honors. I cannot force them to be renamed..
- As well, it's not a good practice to delete the whole text immediately without any preliminary notifications.
- Xenia Barashkovaxe (talk) 18:50, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's standard practice, has been for literally decades.
- I continue to be surprised at how many people compose large edits in the edit window. I occasionally will compose and edit in the edit window but almost never if it's longer than a sentence. That's what external editors are for. Then if there's a hiccup, which is not uncommon, the text is not lost. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Draft:Ossett RUFC copyvio issues
Hey, I've reverted the re-addition of copyvio problems on Draft:Ossett RUFC, flagging for you because you removed it previously. Thanks, microbiologyMarcus (petri dish•growths) 15:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- And the ensuing explanation and conversation, for your attention, at User talk:MicrobiologyMarcus § Draft:Ossett RUFC - Rejection. microbiologyMarcus (petri dish•growths) 15:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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Copyright issue: Meanings of minor planet names: 34001–35000
Please review the decision to revert my recent edit to the page. The primary source of text is not your cited link in https://www.sait.it/.
The primary source is a WGSBN Bulletin issued by IAU, the link is [3], which is cited as reference at the rightmost column of the table. Contents by IAU are under CC BY 4.0 DEED according to [4], which can be shared with attribution.
Myomyomyomyon (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I reverted. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Rescue citations at Antonela Roccuzzo
Hi, thanks for clearing up the copyright vio at Antonela Roccuzzo. However, the revdel removed a large number of references that were used in the article between when the copyvio was added and the current revision. Can you restore just the list of references to the article's talk page so that they can be reincorporated and the article can be rewritten? Suriname0 (talk) 18:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Wait, maybe this request should go to User:SamX; please let me know. Suriname0 (talk) 18:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Samx is right.
- I temporarily restore the visibility of the intervening edits. I'm never happy about hiding so many edits but haven't found a suitable workaround yet. If you could give me a ping when you've done whatever you need to do, I can reinstate the revision deletion. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:25, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, User:Sphilbrick. Done! It was fewer refs than I remembered, but I exported them to the talk page and added a Sources Exist template. Suriname0 (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Copyright at Draft:Quintus Prolog
Please consider reverting your nomination of Draft:Quintus Prolog for speedy deletion; as mentioned at the talk page, not only is the source freely licensed, the copying was indicated by an attribution template at the bottom of the article text ever since the first revision. Felix QW (talk) 15:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Done S Philbrick(Talk) 17:11, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- A quick note on process — I hope you can appreciate that our copyright detection tool looks for similarities between text in an edit and text existing elsewhere. While it would be nice if the algorithms had the ability to identify the copyright status of the matching text, that doesn't appear to be possible, so checking for false positives must be done manually by the individual reviewing the report.
- Speaking only for myself, one of the things I do is examine the reported text to see if it appears to be licensed. In this case the source identified is this location, which doesn't appear to have any indication that it is acceptably licensed. I'm not arguing the text isn't acceptably license it seems likely that someone made the decision to provide an acceptable license at some later point in time and understandably didn't take steps to modify any existing copies existing anywhere else.
- I do appreciate that you left a note at the bottom of the page and I'm sorry I didn't see it but I don't think it qualifies as attribution. In addition to checking the source, I typically look at the Wikipedia article content, not with a fine tooth comb but close enough to confirm overlap, and also to look for a reference section which might indicate a license.
- There wasn't one at the time I made my nomination, and while the current version does have a reference section, it doesn't have any references identifying the acceptable licensing of the material. For an example of what I'm talking about please look at 19th-century_newspapers_that_supported_the_Prohibition_Party. When I look at the reference section I don't look closely at all contents but I look for the symbol as shown here (a copyright symbol with a slash through it) which identifies that Some of the material in the article came from elsewhere but that use is permitted. This type of attribution occurs in many hundreds of articles and provides a heads up to a reviewer that this is a false positive. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- I just realized that the example I gave includes a template designed for public domain text which isn't the case in your example.
{{Dual}}
is probably a better template to use. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)- Thank you, and I very much appreciate you taking the time for such a detailed response! Alas, {{dual}} is precisely the template I used to generate the text at the footer of the page, so unfortunately it doesn't seem to get any more visible than that. While on this page I only used the source initially and then had to rephrase it to make it encyclopaedic anyway, in other cases this survey article actually contains good, encyclopaedic text that should stay into the article main space version. So it is just a bit silly that it keeps getting overlooked. Felix QW (talk) 18:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, it is quite ironic that you used that template to generate the text. I am not a lawyer so I'm not able to tell you whether placing that text in an article which is not in the reference section qualifies as providing attribution. My guess is that you are on solid legal ground, but I am trying to tell you why it gets overlooked. I do occasionally talk to other editors who work in the copyright area but I've never sat down and walked through all aspects of the process. I'm telling you that I am not going to search through the text of an article with a fine tooth comb to search for something that might support the use. I do check references, and I won't be surprised if other editors also check references, but you suggest this is a common problem and I'm suggesting that it will continue to be a problem if it is your practice to drop the text somewhere in the article but not as part of a reference. Please keep in mind that there is only a dozen or so editors trying to deal with hundreds of notifications every week — it's like drinking from a fire hose and we don't have the bandwidth to check things as carefully as you might like. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, and I very much appreciate you taking the time for such a detailed response! Alas, {{dual}} is precisely the template I used to generate the text at the footer of the page, so unfortunately it doesn't seem to get any more visible than that. While on this page I only used the source initially and then had to rephrase it to make it encyclopaedic anyway, in other cases this survey article actually contains good, encyclopaedic text that should stay into the article main space version. So it is just a bit silly that it keeps getting overlooked. Felix QW (talk) 18:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Read more closely, the note at the bottom of the page makes reference to both the creative common's license and GFDL. That's why I suggested the "dual" template.
- Looking at the page you identified here, I'm not seeing reference to GFDL. If I missed it and it's there then "dual" as a template makes sense, if not consider
{{CCBYSASource}}
S Philbrick(Talk) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)- As far as I know, CC-BY is an attribution license that allows reuse under any more restrictive license, including GFDL. Only if it is under a CC-BY-SA license, itself a share-alike license, then it is restricted to further distribution under the same or a compatible license. Felix QW (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yes I'm aware that CC – BY is broader (painfully aware as jumped up and bit me once years ago), In your assertion that CC-BY might imply GFDL may well be true but doesn't the site you linked specifically say:
- This is an Open Access article, distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike licence (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/), which permits re-use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the same Creative Commons licence is used to distribute the re-used or adapted article and the original article is properly cited.
- S Philbrick(Talk) 18:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yes I'm aware that CC – BY is broader (painfully aware as jumped up and bit me once years ago), In your assertion that CC-BY might imply GFDL may well be true but doesn't the site you linked specifically say:
- As far as I know, CC-BY is an attribution license that allows reuse under any more restrictive license, including GFDL. Only if it is under a CC-BY-SA license, itself a share-alike license, then it is restricted to further distribution under the same or a compatible license. Felix QW (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
Lamborghini Huracán revdel
Sorry, I think I missed up the revision range when flagging that one, it's actually the edits from 212.142.113.129 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) rather than User:Eghtegr - they're presumably the same person, though. 212.142.113.129 pasted in the actual text from other websites, User:Eghtegr only pasted in images. Belbury (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I just now picked up the range starting with the edits by 212.142.113.129. It does reuire flagging all interveining edits so I think we are fine now. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Licensing
It appears that you are right. You can go ahead and remove the template. Scorpions1325 (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- What did you think of my other two outstanding RD1 requests? Scorpions1325 (talk) 17:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- I haven't looked at them. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion declined: Draft:Spirituality & Psychotherapy
Hello Sphilbrick. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Spirituality & Psychotherapy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Sky Sports Tennis
Thank you for reaching out to be regarding deleting that paragraph about Sky getting the rights to the ATP and WTA series.
I was really struggling to try to avoid a copy and paste of Sky Sports' press release and I did manage to change some of the wording but I accept the reasons why you ultimately felt it necessary to delete the information. This information does need to be included so if you can send me the copy of the text I used and put it into my sandbox I can modify it further over the next month prior to returning this information to Wikipedia ahead of Sky taking over these rights. Rillington (talk) 10:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- I temporarily restored the visibility of the text so you can access your edit. After you have done so, I can reset the revision deletion. Thanks for understanding. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing that. I've now re-written the paragraph and I hope that there are no issues with this version. Rillington (talk) 05:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Information in the public domain
Hello Sphilbrick,
The information on this page: Draft:Chief Justice Mark V. Green is from [5]https://www.mass.gov/info-details/chief-justice-mark-v-green. The content I published is in the public domain and is free of copyright issues. Please see the following sources:
[6]https://www.mass.gov/info-details/massgov-terms-of-use [7]https://copyright.lib.harvard.edu/states/massachusetts/
Thank you. 204.130.104.10 (talk) 14:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your note. Unfortunately, this appears to be more complicated than you suggest. Before getting into the specific issues, I will make a general comment, which reflects my general understanding of copyright rules. I won't speak for others working in this area but I hope we are on the same page. Material on pages created by the federal government is almost always public domain. There are some exceptions but as a general rule, if it's on a federal government website it can be treated as public domain. Some editors have mistakenly jump to the conclusion that government documents are always public domain. (This is a general comment, I'm not addressing this at you personally.) It is not uncommon to have to revert material that comes from a state government website. Most of the material on state government websites is not public domain. There are some specific exceptions, for example text of legislation, but in general one has to be very careful when using material from a state website.
- In this specific case, you are using material from a state of Massachusetts website. I believe the source is the following site:
- chief-justice-mark-v-green
- You identified a Harvard site commenting on the status of copyright for Massachusetts government records. While that page starts out very encouragingly:
The Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth has said that "Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are available for public use."
- It does go on to state
The scope of this statement is not completely clear.
- I'm not doing going to investigate this page any further but concentrate on the other site you identified which covers the specific rules for Mass.gov.
- Before going into this further I will note that the page with the material you used as at the bottom of the page:
© 2023 Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
- This is not unique to this site but is very frustrating to those of us working on copyright issues. Over 99.9% of the time, if you see an unequivocal copyright statement at the bottom of the page with no caveats, you can assume that the material is subject to full copyright. In a tiny percentage of cases such as this one, there will be another page somewhere, sometimes easy to find, sometimes not so easy, that basically says our unequivocal declaration of copyright was just kidding, the situation is somewhat different. (As an aside, Wikipedia could provide a service they could use some of their stash of cash to send out useful information indicating that it would be better to have clearer statements of copyright on pages.)
- The terms of use page you linked is helpful but still challenging to read.
- It starts out fairly definitive:
All of the material posted on the Commonwealth's websites and available to the public without use of an authenticating and authorizing mechanism (such as a "PIN" or password) is public record.
- That sounds crystal-clear. They use the term "public record" rather than "public domain", but I think for copyright purposes those terms are interchangeable, and a reader could be forgiven for reaching this sentence and thinking that anything on mass.gov is free to use.
- However, the very next sentence starts out with a qualification "most of the public record posted on Commonwealth websites…" They then go on to talk about material that can only be used under "fair use". They also mention social media pages with comments, which is available under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License. That's not the same as public domain, but can be used in Wikipedia with attribution. However I'm not going to focus too much on these issues as there is a more important qualification:
Please note that the Massachusetts Judicial Branch has its own Terms of Use and Site Policies that apply to its pages on Mass.gov.
- I'm presuming that a page about the Chief Justice falls under this qualification although I'm not completely sure.
- Unfortunately, I'm running out of steam and we aren't quite done.
- While it seems logical that a page about the Chief Justice would fall under the Massachusetts judicial branch rules, I don't know that for certain. Moreover, I haven't search for the page outlining their own set of rules.
- I think the next steps are that you should investigate whether the page about the Chief Justice falls under the general Mass.gov rules or the exception for specific judicial branch rules. If the latter, we will want to look at that page, if the former will want to look and be sure that the content does qualify as public domain.
- Sorry for the complications but the complications are created by Massachusetts not me. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:30, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm also going to ping @Tails Wx: who intially tagged the page. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) From what i can tell the important sentence on the Mass.gov Terms of Use is:
most of the content on Mass.gov, the Commonwealth forbids any copying or use other than "fair use" under the Copyright Act.
This means that most content on mass.gov is Non-free content, which means that Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Acceptable_use#Text is the guideline that applies. Especially the part that says:Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. ... Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited.
I don't know how the draft looked like but i hope this helps @Sphilbrick. Nobody (talk) 15:55, 4 December 2023 (UTC)- I agree. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping, Sphilbrick. I'm going to comply with 1AmNobody24 here. If I can recall (I can't remember correctly what the draft looked like, as that draft I tagged for G12 was deleted over a month ago), the draft did not use the non-free content in an acceptable condition, and I also remember there was also a high similarity percentage according to Earwig's Copyvio detector that I used prior to G12-tagging, which, is an unacceptable use of non-free content as well. Tails Wx 16:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) From what i can tell the important sentence on the Mass.gov Terms of Use is:
Recent Revertion due to Copyright
Hi Mr or Mrs Sphillbrick,
I do apologise for using copyrighted material (as I had saved it off a Salvage Corps/Fire Patrol only Facebook group a week ago and did not know if it was copyrighted. (Yet the sources that I had used had the images (which I should have credited anywhom so that's a fault by me))
I have only come here if you could kindly revert the changes as the new additions on the page for Glasgow Salvage Corps were no easy feat. It took me quite some time researching them (as Glasgow Salvage corps is not as popular as Liverpool or London)
It would be most helpful if you reverted it, and I could remove the copyrighted image so people don't miss out on an (I'd like to call it) awesome part of English/Scottish Fire History. Not much is known about them as they were not as common as your normal Fire Service in the UK.
Apologies for the hassle though, but if you can revert it I will get it removed ASAP (or if you remove it). :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FireBrigadeFanaticNO1 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- I will address this shortly. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- I temporarily turned off the revision deletion so you can access your edits S Philbrick(Talk) 19:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- @FireBrigadeFanaticNO1: sending ping S Philbrick(Talk) 19:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- Many thanks, You have saved me time with having to redo the entire thing again. Ill make sure to keep it out (or email the sources when i find them again) once I finish copying it over. FireBrigadeFanaticNO1 (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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